Henson hurt his hand early in TC......

[scrives]

According to Keyshawn on an interview with Mickey and Bill Show on DC. Know wonder he has not look up to par in training camp so far. This would also explain JFE reporting he is looking progressively better every day. According to Keyshawn it is his thumb. I use to play QB in High School and believe me, it is hard to grip the ball if your throwing hand is hurt. So lets just see how he does as it heals before we pass judgement on him....

[RonBurgandy31]

What did he break a nail? this is our future a QB and half of the board thinks he should get cut. In my opion if he bombs in the preseason he should be realeased and we draft a QB in the draft.

[CactusCowboy]

Maybe a Fench manicure would help?

[Little Jr]

According to Keyshawn on an interview with Mickey and Bill Show on DC. Know wonder he has not look up to par in training camp so far. This would also explain JFE reporting he is looking progressively better every day. According to Keyshawn it is his thumb. I use to play QB in High School and believe me, it is hard to grip the ball if your throwing hand is hurt. So lets just see how he does as it heals before we pass judgement on him....


He denies it though.

[CanadaBoys]

Let the excuses begin!!!!!

[RCowboyFan]

According to Keyshawn on an interview with Mickey and Bill Show on DC. Know wonder he has not look up to par in training camp so far. This would also explain JFE reporting he is looking progressively better every day. According to Keyshawn it is his thumb. I use to play QB in High School and believe me, it is hard to grip the ball if your throwing hand is hurt. So lets just see how he does as it heals before we pass judgement on him....

Heck its hard to do anything with a thumb is hurt on the hand that you use to throw or do anything physical.

Donovan in 2003 is good example of how crappy one can look. And not to mention Warner, whose career began to go down the drain with his injured thumb. But Warner case is extreme I guess, since probably that wasn't the only reason he slid.

Anyway, we shall see about Henson. Let the pre-season play itself out. If he is the guy some of us think that he is, he will show up. If not may the best man win, either hopefully Cowboys have someone for future, honestly.

I am Michigan fan and so Henson Homer, but still Cowboys come first.

[Z-Man]

What did he break a nail? this is our future a QB and half of the board thinks he should get cut. In my opion if he bombs in the preseason he should be realeased and we draft a QB in the draft.

I bet the Chargers are glad you're not their gm. You know, Brees stunk it up a few years before he finally came on last year. Would you be for cutting him now? :rolleyes:

[Z-Man]

What did he break a nail? this is our future a QB and half of the board thinks he should get cut. In my opion if he bombs in the preseason he should be realeased and we draft a QB in the draft.

Oh, and not to mention you probably would have cut Aikman after the bad first years he had too. :rolleyes:

[RCowboyFan]

I bet the Chargers are glad you're not their gm. You know, Brees stunk it up a few years before he finally came on last year. Would you be for cutting him now? :rolleyes:

Heck apparently Phillip Rivers struggling mightly this year in TC himself. I am sure most of these fans would want to cut him too, the very ones who want to trade for him, that too.

Anyway, why the heck did I get sucked into another QB debate, btw? :banghead: :)

[Nors]

I wouldn't cut Henson - big cap hit. He'd be my #3 and run the scout team to get reps.

[RonBurgandy31]

Oh, and not to mention you probably would have cut Aikman after the bad first years he had too. :rolleyes:

Last time I checked both Brees and Aikman had played more than 1 season at the respected colleges and didnt suck not only in TC this year but thanksgiving vs. the bears.

[Kilyin]

Ryan Leaf had a nagging hand injury too (amongst his dozens of other problems), might have been the thumb. IS THIS AN OMEN?

[scrives]

No excuses. Just let the preseason start before we hang him. I'm pulling for Henson but if Romo can be are future, so be it..... If not, go get one.

[Little Jr]

I bet the Chargers are glad you're not their gm. You know, Brees stunk it up a few years before he finally came on last year. Would you be for cutting him now? :rolleyes:


I never knew why the Chargers drafted a QB anyways. Brees wasnt that bad.

He only started one game in 2001 in rookie year.


2002 3284 yds 60.8 % 17 TD 16 INT

2003 he had a sophomre slump. He started 11 games


2003 2108 yds 57% 11 TD 15 INT


And he went off in 2004.

[dwmyers]

I never knew why the Chargers drafted a QB anyways. Brees wasnt that bad.

Marty was River's coach in the Senior Bowl and fell in love with him there.

David.

[Doomsday101]

Ryan Lief had a nagging hand injury too (amongst his dozens of other problems), might have been the thumb. IS THIS AN OMEN?

Leaf had a wrist that would come out of socket that is a bit different. In the case of Henson it was reported earlier in camp that he had hit his throwing hand on the helmet of a defensive player. As for excuses when asked Henson said it has caused him no problem so Drew is not looking for excuses he is working to get better despite all of his nay sayers out there. 1 thing I'm sure of at this stage Henson will be able to deal with the fickled Dallas fans which is a leg up already over our last young QB

[CaptainAmerica]

Drew is smart enough to not give any excuse for his performance. That is exactly what Tuna does not want to read or hear from one of his QBs. Drew knows not to do that, even if he has been dinged up.

Some people don't realize it's the tough times that reveal what someone has inside of them not the good times. If Henson has what it takes he will show it in the tough times, not when everything is roses. Tuna is watching him to observe how he handles adversity as well as how he handles any success he may have.

The idea of cutting him or that Parcells and Jerry will release him at this point in his development, is simply moronic! It ain't gonna happen!

[Kilyin]

I was just adding fuel to the fire, but it would appear we're both wrong.

In fairness, his problems weren't all in his head. That wrist injury -- torn ligaments -- forced him to miss the entire 1999 season. He spurned surgery, and the resulting physical limitations did as much to sink his career as his locker room tantrums. In four games with the Cowboys last year, it was pretty clear that he wasn't healthy. I recall a play where he tried to dump the ball off to running back Emmitt Smith. Smith was about twenty feet away with no defenders in sight, a throw that even I could make. The ball flopped out of Leaf's hand and hit the ground at Smith's feet. If torn ligaments make you a liability on the field, and you've got a double-dose of off-the-field baggage, you're not going to get a lot of job offers.

Anyway.. carry on.

[Yakuza Rich]

An injured hand, especially if its the thumb is almost as bad as a receiver hurting their knee or an O-Lineman hurting their shoulder. It has major affect on their throws.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was true and Henson denied it. Most players don't like to use injuries and being hurt as an excuse. Especially when you're not a starter.


Rich............

[CrazyCowboy]

I hope it is true that his hand is hurt, therefore, it truely explains the problems Drew has had with his accuracy in camp thus far. I am pulling for Drew to be our QB of the future for no other reason then it will allow us to draft another position of need without worrying about the QB position.

[AbeBeta]

Another aspect of this story is that Key is showing some nice leadership -- He's sticking up for a backup QB who the media are implying is a bust. Give Henson some more time in the oven -- it would be amazing if he was ready at this point. We didn't give him a long term deal so that we could make a snap decision on him. Like Parcells says "don't be an early evaluator." I think he'll eventually be solid. Of course, I thought the same about Hutch so I may have no clue.

[Dale]

For what it's worth, I asked Henson about it privately after practice and he said it wasn't hurt. But since Keyshawn said it was, I'm guessing, as speculated above, he's simply not wanting to come across as an excuse-maker to anyone. Classy move, if so.

[Nors]

If he's hiding an injury he's helping no one.
I don't buy it.

Its time he steps up and takes the backup job. It was up for grabs. Romo appears to have a leg up on him. We are 8 days or so away from the #2 being announced.

[Dale]

If he's hiding an injury he's helping no one.
I don't buy it.

Its time he steps up and takes the backup job. It was up for grabs. Romo appears to have a leg up on him. We are 8 days or so away from the #2 being announced.

I disagree. If he were complaining about a nagging hand injury and asked for some time off, people would be complaining that he is wilting under pressure and can't handle being "beaten" by Romo for the job. Can't have it both ways on this issue, in my opinion.

[Banned_n_austin]

For what it's worth, I asked Henson about it privately after practice and he said it wasn't hurt. But since Keyshawn said it was, I'm guessing, as speculated above, he's simply not wanting to come across as an excuse-maker to anyone. Classy move, if so.


You know, I'd have to take his word for it ... if there was an injury you'd think he would say so ... that's not an excuse, that's a matter of circumstance ...

On the other hand, Bill does like players to play hurt ...

If I were you, I would have grabbed his thumb and said, "does it hurt when I do this?" ...

No?

How bout this?

You know, kind of see what's really going on ...

[Dale]

If he's hiding an injury he's helping no one.
I don't buy it.

Its time he steps up and takes the backup job. It was up for grabs. Romo appears to have a leg up on him. We are 8 days or so away from the #2 being announced.

Well, the key there, too, is the fact we're also two games away from a backup being announced. If either guy - or both - stink it up, the situation could drastically change.

Recall that's part of the reason Quincy ended up starting over Chad when Parcells came here. It wasn't just because of their performances in camp, but because Quincy badly beat out Chad in the preseason games. In camp, they looked close, but in the games, they didn't.

Romo has the undisputed edge, but a lot can change - positively or negatively - for both players in these next eight days.

[Dale]

You know, I'd have to take his word for it ... if there was an injury you'd think he would say so ... that's not an excuse, that's a matter of circumstance ...

On the other hand, Bill does like players to play hurt ...

If I were you, I would have grabbed his thumb and said, "does it hurt when I do this?" ...

No?

How bout this?

You know, kind of see what's really going on ...

It doesn't make sense for Keyshawn to concoct some story though about a thumb injury. Plus, it's been reported elsewhere, with several reporters even saying they saw the incident when he hit his hand on a players' helmet.

[junk]

For what it's worth, I asked Henson about it privately after practice and he said it wasn't hurt. But since Keyshawn said it was, I'm guessing, as speculated above, he's simply not wanting to come across as an excuse-maker to anyone. Classy move, if so.

You should have challenged him to a thumb wrestling match to get the real story.

[Nors]

Well, the key there, too, is the fact we're also two games away from a backup being announced. If either guy - or both - stink it up, the situation could drastically change.

Recall that's part of the reason Quincy ended up starting over Chad when Parcells came here. It wasn't just because of their performances in camp, but because Quincy badly beat out Chad in the preseason games. In camp, they looked close, but in the games, they didn't.

Romo has the undisputed edge, but a lot can change - positively or negatively - for both players in these next eight days.


I totally agree - Henson can still wrest the job from Romo. Its early in the tennis match and Romo broke serve. Its on Henson to come back to win the set.

[Banned_n_austin]

It doesn't make sense for Keyshawn to concoct some story though about a thumb injury. Plus, it's been reported elsewhere, with several reporters even saying they saw the incident when he hit his hand on a players' helmet.


I agree that it doesn't make sense for Keyshawn to do that ... I'd just like to know the extent of the 'injury' ... if it's just a bruise, sprain, fracture ... that sort of thing ...

[AbeBeta]

Henson is doing the right thing here if his thumb is hurt. He's got the type of injury that starters have to deal with all the time. Henson realizes he can't afford to lose practice reps. Even if he is having trouble physically, those reps give him what he really needs -- practice in the mental aspects of the game against a live defense. Drew will have several months to let his thumb heal during the season.

[The Duke]

A sprained thumb makes alot of sense for Henson's lack of noticable velocity and accuracy. I wish I was there to see the practices. Was the interceptions clearly read errors on Henson's part or was the ball slow in getting there and inaccurate? Raising his throwing arm for a higher release should not have caused this much noticeble difference. A sprained thumb definitely would...I know.

[GTaylor]

Oh, and not to mention you probably would have cut Aikman after the bad first years he had too. :rolleyes:

Supposedly Jimmy was close to doing this. Took him until 92 to fully trust in Aikman.....

[notherbob]

If it is an injury from hitting a helmet, it's been enough time for it to start getting better and I would expect to see fair results Saturday night, but it is the first pre-season game and they're usually stinkers anyway.

[dbair1967]

Supposedly Jimmy was close to doing this. Took him until 92 to fully trust in Aikman.....

uh, no

David

[dbair1967]

cant say I'm surprised about hearing he might be hurt...the guy was throwing the ball extremely well last yr and by all accounts had a good offseason...

David

[Nors]

10) Golfing he tried to hit off a root
9) Washing his truck and fell
8) Was doing pop wheelies on his motorcycle and crashed in a parking lot
7) Hit with a curveball secretly working on a baseball comeback
6) Hit his thumb trying to hammer in the for sale by owner sign on his house
5) So stressed about Romo he sucked it like a binky all offseason
4) patting himself on the back
3) bought that TV device - throw and ball return. Busted his thumb in back yard on recoil
2) After asking Parcells what his role was - Parcells threw a fit and nailed him with a paper weight.
1) hit it on the clipboard

[CaptainAmerica]

uh, no

David

Sorry, but it was Jimmy who loved Walsh and said about Aikman, (early in his career), during an off-the-record venting with a few Heinekens in him..."he was a loser in college and he will be a loser in the pros!"

Jimmy was as surprised as anyone about Aikman's development under Norv.

[Gent]

Ok, I'm humor impaired. What's funny about Henson hurting his thumb?

-Gent

[Hostile]

Ok, I'm humor impaired. What's funny about Henson hurting his thumb?

-GentWhat can I tell you man?

Agendas.

[LaTunaNostra]

I hope the injury isn't anything that will linger.

Bill Parcells coveted this player from the time he signed on as the HC in Dallas. Had him scouted, and signed him. And is developing him the RIGHT way. Refuses to let even Jerry screw it up.

Just as left NY with a Pennington, he will leave Dallas with its own QB future assured.

[dbair1967]

Sorry, but it was Jimmy who loved Walsh and said about Aikman, (early in his career), during an off-the-record venting with a few Heinekens in him..."he was a loser in college and he will be a loser in the pros!"

Jimmy was as surprised as anyone about Aikman's development under Norv.

ok, even though that contradicts what Jimmy says publicly about the whole thing...also

if he loved Walsh so much, why did he trade him a yr after bringing him in?

go read JJ's book

David

[Gordon]

I hope the injury isn't anything that will linger.

Bill Parcells coveted this player from the time he signed on as the HC in Dallas. Had him scouted, and signed him. And is developing him the RIGHT way. Refuses to let even Jerry screw it up.

Just as left NY with a Pennington, he will leave Dallas with its own QB future assured.

He didn't leave them with Pennington. He was gone when they drafted Pennington.

[dbair1967]

He didn't leave them with Pennington. He was gone when they drafted Pennington.

Parcells wasnt the coach, but he was running the football ops...he drafte Pennington, Abraham, Ellis and A Becht in the first rd that yr...

David

[silverbear]

Last time I checked both Brees and Aikman had played more than 1 season at the respected colleges and didnt suck not only in TC this year but thanksgiving vs. the bears.

Gimme a break... I'd suggest you go back and check out Aikman's stats his rookie year... here's a hint, they were very, very BAD... in 1989, he put up a sizzling 55.7 quarterback rating, in 90 it was all the way up to 66.6... fans in Dallas were screaming for Troy to be cut or traded, or anything, just get rid of him... they actually preferred Steve freakin' Walsh... as for Brees, his QBR was all of 67.5 TWO YEARS AGO... he would never have had the season he had last year, if YOU were his coach or GM...

And of course, you're conveniently forgetting that Henson was very, very GOOD against the Ravens...

But hey, don't let me keep you from ranting without having the first clue you're talking about... Troy stunk his first two years, so the likes of you would never have given him the chance to develop into the quarterback he eventually became...

[LaTunaNostra]

He didn't leave them with Pennington. He was gone when they drafted Pennington.
He drafted Pennington in April 2000 when he had four first round picks.

Same year he drafted Abraham, Ellis and Becht.

He didn't coach in 2000, he had his long time assistant Al Groh do that.

But he remained as Jets GM throughout 2000.

[silverbear]

If he's hiding an injury he's helping no one.
I don't buy it.

Yeah, Keyshawn just figured he'd run a con on all of us, just to cover for his boy... or wait, I know, Henson PAID him to say that in that interview...

Dismiss Johnson's words if you wish, Nors, but first explain to me why he'd lie for Henson... until they, I don't buy YOUR BS...

[dbair1967]

You're an idiot, son... I'd suggest you go back and check out Aikman's stats his rookie year... here's a hint, they were very, very BAD... in 1989, he put up a sizzling 55.7 quarterback rating, in 90 it was all the way up to 66.6... fans in Dallas were screaming for Troy to be cut or traded, or anything, just get rid of him... they actually preferred Steve freakin' Walsh... ...

this is absolutely untrue...Walsh was traded in 1990 to New Orelans because Bobby hebert was holding out, and everyone saw how awful Walsh was at QB then...and any naysayers there were about Troy went away after the team won 4 straight late in the yr to get to 7-7, only to see playoff hopes ruined when Aikman went down early in the Philly game in game 15...Babe Laufenberg entered, and we were creamed two weeks in a row

David

[GTaylor]

You're an idiot, son... I'd suggest you go back and check out Aikman's stats his rookie year... here's a hint, they were very, very BAD... in 1989, he put up a sizzling 55.7 quarterback rating, in 90 it was all the way up to 66.6... fans in Dallas were screaming for Troy to be cut or traded, or anything, just get rid of him... they actually preferred Steve freakin' Walsh... as for Brees, his QBR was all of 67.5 TWO YEARS AGO... he would never have had the season he had last year, if YOU were his coach or GM...

And of course, you're conveniently forgetting that Henson was very, very GOOD against the Ravens...

But hey, don't let me keep you from ranting without having the first clue you're talking about... Troy stunk his first two years, so the likes of you would never have given him the chance to develop into the quarterback he eventually became...

In all fairness Henson had a heck of a lot more talent around him than Aikman did in his first year.

[Nors]

Anyone who Saw Aikman that year knew he had "it". I'll never forget that Cardinal game he threw for 400 yards and was knocked out concussion and we lost on a kickoff return for a TD late.

Henson showed me none of that last year and has started just 9 games since 1997. And 3 years away playing 3rd base. Year 2 he appears to be regressing.

Aikman was a #1 overall stud - Not a lot of doubt in my mind ever.

[Nors]

I'm still waiting to hear some facts. Nothing but excuses from the Henson camp so far.

[silverbear]

this is absolutely untrue...Walsh was traded in 1990 to New Orelans because Bobby hebert was holding out, and everyone saw how awful Walsh was at QB then...and any naysayers there were about Troy went away after the team won 4 straight late in the yr to get to 7-7, only to see playoff hopes ruined when Aikman went down early in the Philly game in game 15...Babe Laufenberg entered, and we were creamed two weeks in a row

David

Walsh had a higher rating than Aikman in his first year, David... you could look it up...

And I was around back then, I distinctly remember the fans clamoring for Walsh to start over Aikman...

Of course, you're right about him being traded in 90, and when I reread what I wrote, it did sound like I was saying there was a quarterback controversy between the two for both years... that was just an awkward choice of phrasing on my part...

[silverbear]

Anyone who Saw Aikman that year knew he had "it". I'll never forget that Cardinal game he threw for 400 yards and was knocked out concussion and we lost on a kickoff return for a TD late.

And Hutch had a 300 yard game as a rookie, too... he must be Canton bound... LOL...

[silverbear]

I'm still waiting to hear some facts. Nothing but excuses from the Henson camp so far.

Oh, so Keyshawn Johnson now qualifies as "the Henson camp"?? He's the one "making excuses"... personally, I haven't gotten into this little debate until now...

And there is absolutely nothing "factual" about YOUR responses to what Key said in that interview, just a lot of attitude... sorry, your 'tude does NOT qualify as factual...

[Nors]

And Hutch had a 300 yard game as a rookie, too... he must be Canton bound... LOL...

Aikman had hit and was a stud - to all true football observers that was obvious in 1989.

Feel a need to make **** up?
Ask me a QB and I'll tell you my opinion.

Hutch - thought he was a fraud all along- was openly against him beating out QC and he did not.

Next?

[Tio]

Aikman had hit and was a stud - to all true football observers that was obvious in 1989.

Feel a need to make **** up?
Ask me a QB and I'll tell you my opinion.

Hutch - thought he was a fraud all along- was openly against him beating out QC and he did not.

Next?Well...you thought qc was a qaulity qb...next?

J/k nors, but you get annoying when you go on these "I got this right so im a genuis" threads.

[Bizwah]

Aikman had hit and was a stud - to all true football observers that was obvious in 1989.

Feel a need to make **** up?
Ask me a QB and I'll tell you my opinion.

Hutch - thought he was a fraud all along- was openly against him beating out QC and he did not.

Next?

No, it wasn't obvious to everyone. There was plenty of controversy over which Qb should be played, Walsh or Aikman. It was pretty much a given that only ONE would be kept. Fortunately, we had a coach with a keen eye for talent that didn't listen to fickle fans ready to throw one or both QBs off the bridge.

I think we have the same thing in Parcells. Let him make the decision. If he cuts Henson, it's obviously he thinks little of him. If he cuts Romo, then it's obvious that he thinks Henson may still have something, but he needs a more reliable backup QB that's ready to play. If he keeps both, then well......

[dbair1967]

Walsh had a higher rating than Aikman in his first year, David... you could look it up...

And I was around back then, I distinctly remember the fans clamoring for Walsh to start over Aikman...

Of course, you're right about him being traded in 90, and when I reread what I wrote, it did sound like I was saying there was a quarterback controversy between the two for both years... that was just an awkward choice of phrasing on my part...

>>>Aikman 293 155 1749 52.9 5.97 9 18 55.7
Walsh 219 110 1371 50.2 6.26 5 9 60.5 <<<

wow huge difference silver...can really see why they were "clamoring" for Walsh...

David

[junk]

I'm still waiting to hear some facts. Nothing but excuses from the Henson camp so far.

:lmao2:

You're asking for facts? Thats hilarious.

[Bizwah]

>>>Aikman 293 155 1749 52.9 5.97 9 18 55.7
Walsh 219 110 1371 50.2 6.26 5 9 60.5 <<<

wow huge difference silver...can really see why they were "clamoring" for Walsh...

David

Sorry, but SilverBear is right......A lot of fans were screaming for Walsh because he actually QBed the team to a win (against Washington at RFK mind you) and had a better college career.

I remember distinctly thinking, "Oh no, not another QB controversy." We had just gotten over the Hogeboom/White controversy, I didn't want to see another one.

I remember sportscasters talking about who should start. There was a budding controversy.

Fortunately, we didn't "panic" about Aikman, and we made the right choice.

[dbair1967]

Sorry, but SilverBear is right......A lot of fans were screaming for Walsh because he actually QBed the team to a win (against Washington at RFK mind you) and had a better college career.

I remember distinctly thinking, "Oh no, not another QB controversy." We had just gotten over the Hogeboom/White controversy, I didn't want to see another one.

I remember sportscasters talking about who should start. There was a budding controversy.

Fortunately, we didn't "panic" about Aikman, and we made the right choice.

I dont recall many thinking Walsh was the guy, and no, he didnt have a better college career...go look at the numbers Aikman put up at UCLA...he put up some awesome numbers...

there wasnt much doubt about Aikman's ability as a passer from day one...even in the shutout opening day loss in 1989 his enormous skills was evident...

David

[Tobal]

Only pedestrian fans were "clamoring" for Walsh to be the starter. Nors is right Aikman had "it" Jimmy might not have seen it as soon as others but most people knew Aikman should win the job.

He got the hell beat out of him his rookie yr, tough SOB. That rookie yr probably caused his career to end 3 yrs sooner.

[Bizwah]

I dont recall many thinking Walsh was the guy, and no, he didnt have a better college career...go look at the numbers Aikman put up at UCLA...he put up some awesome numbers...

there wasnt much doubt about Aikman's ability as a passer from day one...even in the shutout opening day loss in 1989 his enormous skills was evident...

David

I disagree.....Walsh had a great career at Miami, winning a National title. Aikman was never able to "light up a scoreboard" as one analyst said.

I agree....Aikman's abilities were evident from day one, but so were Walsh's. I can remember Madden saying that passes weren't hitting the ground in practice. I can remember reports saying that Aikman was 11-11 during a scrimmage, and Walsh was 8-8.....Both had talent.

And for the record, I was on board with Aikman. I was also on board with Danny White (His was the first jersey I ever owned).

To hear you say that there wasn't a controversy is just wrong. There was a budding QB controversy.

[Bizwah]

Only pedestrian fans were "clamoring" for Walsh to be the starter. Nors is right Aikman had "it" Jimmy might not have seen it as soon as others but most people knew Aikman should win the job.

He got the hell beat out of him his rookie yr, tough SOB. That rookie yr probably caused his career to end 3 yrs sooner.

This is a very judgemental post. "Pedestrian fans"......sorry, but there were many Cowboy fans that I respected (I didn't agree with them) that thought Walsh should start.

I can remember them saying that he was a "winner", and Aikman was just another "good" college QB.

[dbair1967]

I disagree.....Walsh had a great career at Miami, winning a National title. Aikman was never able to "light up a scoreboard" as one analyst said.

I agree....Aikman's abilities were evident from day one, but so were Walsh's. I can remember Madden saying that passes weren't hitting the ground in practice. I can remember reports saying that Aikman was 11-11 during a scrimmage, and Walsh was 8-8.....Both had talent.

And for the record, I was on board with Aikman. I was also on board with Danny White (His was the first jersey I ever owned).

To hear you say that there wasn't a controversy is just wrong. There was a budding QB controversy.

the only people who thought there was a controversy were basically the fickle type simpletons and maybe a couple of media putz's like Skip Bayless...

as for Aikman's college career, UCLA had a pretty damn good offense then...he had some good (not awesome, but good) players around him, and in his two years he put up some amazing numbers...

I never saw any passing talent from Steve Walsh in the NFL...it was evident from day one that he didnt have an NFL calibar arm, nor was he very accurate, especially with anything over 10-15 yds or towards the sidelines...Jimmy talked up Walsh for a yr until he found a sucker, then pulled the trigger on another flim flam deal

David

[dbair1967]

This is a very judgemental post. "Pedestrian fans"......sorry, but there were many Cowboy fans that I respected (I didn't agree with them) that thought Walsh should start.

I can remember them saying that he was a "winner", and Aikman was just another "good" college QB.

honestly I've been a fan of this team for 30 years, and despite being around tons of fans dont recall any of them who thought Walsh was a better choice at QB than Aikman

Walsh won at Miami because he was surrounded by 30-40 NFL calibar players...Aikman sizzled at UCLA and his talent dwarfed a guy like Walsh

David

[Bizwah]

honestly I've been a fan of this team for 30 years, and despite being around tons of fans dont recall any of them who thought Walsh was a better choice at QB than Aikman

Walsh won at Miami because he was surrounded by 30-40 NFL calibar players...Aikman sizzled at UCLA and his talent dwarfed a guy like Walsh

David


Well, there you go.......that's probably why we disagree on whether this happened or not. Everybody experiences, and remembers, different things. This is why eyewitness testimony is soooo unreliable. I clearly remember ESPN and CBS talking about this very issue....You apparently didn't intrepret it the way I did, or I'm totally wrong (which wouldn't be the first time).

Anyhoo.....I don't think it's wise for us to jump to conclusions about the careers of Romo and Henson. It will take time to see exactly how good they're going to be. I think patience is important in developing a QB.

[Smith22]

Honestly I just don't get it. Why all the freakin arguing like little kids at the playground. I'm not thrilled with either Romo or Henson, but give them both time and see what happens. We are a yong team with A LOT of fresh faces on the team, some young, some older, etc. When we took the chance on Henson, we had to know if was a move for the long-term, not something that would just fix our QB situation overnight. If he works out, great. If not, maybe Romo develops or we look to spend an early pick on a QB. Bottom line, we all root for the same team here guys. Sit back, buckle up and enjoy the ride and get ready for some freakin football!!!

[Bizwah]

Honestly I just don't get it. Why all the freakin arguing like little kids at the playground. I'm not thrilled with either Romo or Henson, but give them both time and see what happens. We are a yong team with A LOT of fresh faces on the team, some young, some older, etc. When we took the chance on Henson, we had to know if was a move for the long-term, not something that would just fix our QB situation overnight. If he works out, great. If not, maybe Romo develops or we look to spend an early pick on a QB. Bottom line, we all root for the same team here guys. Sit back, buckle up and enjoy the ride and get ready for some freakin football!!!

Very good post.

You said it perfectly.

[Doomsday101]

10) Golfing he tried to hit off a root
9) Washing his truck and fell
8) Was doing pop wheelies on his motorcycle and crashed in a parking lot
7) Hit with a curveball secretly working on a baseball comeback
6) Hit his thumb trying to hammer in the for sale by owner sign on his house
5) So stressed about Romo he sucked it like a binky all offseason
4) patting himself on the back
3) bought that TV device - throw and ball return. Busted his thumb in back yard on recoil
2) After asking Parcells what his role was - Parcells threw a fit and nailed him with a paper weight.
1) hit it on the clipboard

It was said at dallascowboys.com that he hit a defenders helmet with his hand. Is this causing him a problem maybe,maybe not according to Henson it is no big deal.

[Doomsday101]

MICK SHOTS
When day is done, Drew Henson ices down his shoulder, elbow and hand. Now I’ve seen quarterbacks take these preventative icing measures with their shoulder and elbow to help their arms bounce back quickly after a day’s work, but a hand? Evidently Henson’s right thumb still is bothering him from hitting his hand on a helmet last week. That would explain the number of passes squirting awkwardly out of his hand.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm

[Zaxor]

Gimme a break... I'd suggest you go back and check out Aikman's stats his rookie year... here's a hint, they were very, very BAD... in 1989, he put up a sizzling 55.7 quarterback rating, in 90 it was all the way up to 66.6... fans in Dallas were screaming for Troy to be cut or traded, or anything, just get rid of him... they actually preferred Steve freakin' Walsh... as for Brees, his QBR was all of 67.5 TWO YEARS AGO... he would never have had the season he had last year, if YOU were his coach or GM...

And of course, you're conveniently forgetting that Henson was very, very GOOD against the Ravens...

But hey, don't let me keep you from ranting without having the first clue you're talking about... Troy stunk his first two years, so the likes of you would never have given him the chance to develop into the quarterback he eventually became...

Now you all have done it...You should have left sleeping bears lie...:lmao2:

Larry I am telling you there are some real headcases running around these parts... Some of whom you would think would be old enough by now to know better... Most of these headcases don't give a flying **** about the Dallas Cowboys... I would call them Trolls but that is not really what they are because they dress in the guise of a Cowboy fan but they are hatemongers....

Its one thing to disagree on a subject or even a player but this stuff is just hate and nothing based on "Reason"

All you posters that know a little about mental/emotional abnormalities chime in and explain to ole Zaxor the need to be hateful without plausable cause or reason...


now I will just sit right here in this thread and wait till I get a better understanding of this hate thing so while I am waiting
does anybody want to sing with me an old Beatles tune?

All you need is love... (all together now)
All you need is love...
All you need is love, love
Love is all you need

:flex::gent::dance2::dance3:

[BlueWave]

Another aspect of this story is that Key is showing some nice leadership -- He's sticking up for a backup QB who the media are implying is a bust. Give Henson some more time in the oven -- it would be amazing if he was ready at this point. We didn't give him a long term deal so that we could make a snap decision on him. Like Parcells says "don't be an early evaluator." I think he'll eventually be solid. Of course, I thought the same about Hutch so I may have no clue.

On the contrary, you may have more of a clue than most people. Hutchinson looks better everytime he takes the field. The HOF game was the best I have ever seen Hutchinson look in the pocket and he had an absolute rocket of an arm. Many Cowboys fans might have a tough time admitting how good he is looking for obvious reasons. He has the Bears backup job all but locked up. I guess that's more than we could say for our situation. Maybe we should have given Hutchinson a little more time. He may yet turn out to be a star. But that's all history now, let's not rush to judgement on Henson. Let's give him ample time.

[Hostile]

Honestly I just don't get it. Why all the freakin arguing like little kids at the playground. I'm not thrilled with either Romo or Henson, but give them both time and see what happens. We are a yong team with A LOT of fresh faces on the team, some young, some older, etc. When we took the chance on Henson, we had to know if was a move for the long-term, not something that would just fix our QB situation overnight. If he works out, great. If not, maybe Romo develops or we look to spend an early pick on a QB. Bottom line, we all root for the same team here guys. Sit back, buckle up and enjoy the ride and get ready for some freakin football!!!Post of the day. Wish I had seen this last night.

:hammer:

[Zaxor]

Post of the day. Wish I had seen this last night.

:hammer:


The guy is right of course but since when has being right ever stopped the hate

[Jarv]

I'm still waiting to hear some facts. Nothing but excuses from the Henson camp so far.

Henson camp, try Cowboys camp.

Now Nors, if Henson gets progressivly better as camp goes on, will you still be rooting against him ?

Will you admit you were wrong about ? If you do, I will gain some respect for you.

I'm hoping his performance steadily improves, as I do Romo. I just don't get how you hope this kid will be a flop so you can prove a point.

You sound more like TO than a Dallas Cowboys fan !

[kartr]

Let the excuses begin!!!!!

Exactly. An injured hand doesn't affect your throwing motion. I don't remember anytning about Qc or Hutch having to throw 5000 passes in their second years to fix their mechanics and they both played baseball and Hutch was away from the game longer than Henson.

[kartr]

I never knew why the Chargers drafted a QB anyways. Brees wasnt that bad.

He only started one game in 2001 in rookie year.


2002 3284 yds 60.8 % 17 TD 16 INT

2003 he had a sophomre slump. He started 11 games


2003 2108 yds 57% 11 TD 15 INT


And he went off in 2004.

I couldn't agree more. Brees just needed a little more time. I believe he started out playing for Mike Riley. Playing in multiple systems early on really hurts young qb's. Look at McNabb,Manning,Culpepper,Carr,Brady,etc. All of these guys played in the same system for their first 3-4 years or more. The same with Marino and Montana.

[Doomsday101]

Exactly. An injured hand doesn't affect your throwing motion. I don't remember anytning about Qc or Hutch having to throw 5000 passes in their second years to fix their mechanics and they both played baseball and Hutch was away from the game longer than Henson.

Henson is not making excuses, however to say that an injured hand would have no effect is an out and out lie!

[31WillHammerU]

Exactly. An injured hand doesn't affect your throwing motion. I don't remember anytning about Qc or Hutch having to throw 5000 passes in their second years to fix their mechanics and they both played baseball and Hutch was away from the game longer than Henson.

Q hurt his thumb in college and in his first year with the Cowboys. It had a huge effect on how he threw the ball. He was also tutored on his mechanics every year he was here.

[Hostile]

Q hurt his thumb in college and in his first year with the Cowboys. It had a huge effect on how he threw the ball. He was also tutored on his mechanics every year he was here.hey, glad to see you posint again. :welcome: back.

[Hostile]

Exactly. An injured hand doesn't affect your throwing motion. I don't remember anytning about Qc or Hutch having to throw 5000 passes in their second years to fix their mechanics and they both played baseball and Hutch was away from the game longer than Henson.Q's mechanics problems were in how to get a snap. Hutch's were in how to read a blitz and step up in the pocket. There isn't that much difference in the 3 as far as needing to be fixed.

[31WillHammerU]

What can I tell you man?

Agendas.
Sounds like Hutch-Hate all over again...

[silverbear]

Aikman had hit and was a stud - to all true football observers that was obvious in 1989.

Feel a need to make **** up?

Whassamatta, Nors, am I inflicting too many facts on you??

Please, tell me what **** I've made up... be very specific, use quotes...

You might not like my 'tude (and at times, I don't care for yours), but you know that for all my warts, I'm a straight shooter... if I have to make **** up to make an argument, I stay out of the argument...

In fact, if I do say so myself, I have a rep on these message boards for clubbing BS artists into submission with plenty of facts...

Ask me a QB and I'll tell you my opinion.

The problem is, you don't bring a lot to back up that opinion...

Hutch - thought he was a fraud all along- was openly against him beating out QC and he did not.

Where exactly did I claim that you were a motherhutcher?? All I did was mention that Hutch had one really good game his rookie season, just like Troy did... but at season's end, both of them had stats that sucked...

And back then, fans were doing EXACTLY what some fans are doing now, saying we should give up on Troy and go out and find us a true franchise QB...

My entire point being that sometimes, quarterbacks-- even great quarterbacks-- take some time to get up to NFL speed... it was true for Troy, who as you correctly noted was a GREAT college QB... and so, I'm suggesting that maybe, just maybe, we should all be a little more patient with Henson...

Note also that I have no problems with Tony Romo whatsoever, in fact I like the guy... this argument has nothing to do with Romo versus Henson, at least not for me... I'm pulling for both of 'em...

[silverbear]

>>>Aikman 293 155 1749 52.9 5.97 9 18 55.7
Walsh 219 110 1371 50.2 6.26 5 9 60.5 <<<

wow huge difference silver...can really see why they were "clamoring" for Walsh...

David

Listen, David, you don't have to believe it if you don't want to (and I'm not tryin' to piss you off, you're one of my favorites in here), but the plain and simple truth is a significant percentage of impatient fans WERE screamin' for Aikman to be jerked, and for Walsh to get the starting job... it wasn't so much because Steve was so brilliant (obviously), but rather because he wasn't Troy, and they were pissed that Troy wasn't gettin' it done to their satisfaction...

Which to me feels rather like the suggestions I've read that Henson is a "bust"... I find myself wanting to ask those who insist that the loudest if they're premature with everything in their lives...

I don't know if Henson will ever amount to jack, but I do know it's way too early to be certain he won't...

[silverbear]

I dont recall many thinking Walsh was the guy, and no, he didnt have a better college career...go look at the numbers Aikman put up at UCLA...he put up some awesome numbers...

there wasnt much doubt about Aikman's ability as a passer from day one...even in the shutout opening day loss in 1989 his enormous skills was evident...

David

Maybe to you, David, but not to every Cowboys fan... I vividly remember having arguments rather like this one (not online, I didn't have a PC back then), saying that we needed to give the guy some time...

[Doomsday101]

Listen, David, you don't have to believe it if you don't want to (and I'm not tryin' to piss you off, you're one of my favorites in here), but the plain and simple truth is a significant percentage of impatient fans WERE screamin' for Aikman to be jerked, and for Walsh to get the starting job... it wasn't so much because Steve was so brilliant (obviously), but rather because he wasn't Troy, and they were pissed that Troy wasn't gettin' it done to their satisfaction...

Which to me feels rather like the suggestions I've read that Henson is a "bust"... I find myself wanting to ask those who insist that the loudest if they're premature with everything in their lives...

I don't know if Henson will ever amount to jack, but I do know it's way too early to be certain he won't...

You are correct about many fans turning on Aikman in the early going and hollering for Walsh to be the starter as funny as that sounds today it was the truth. Also just as yourself I like both these young QB's and pulling for both to developed into quality QB's if that happens then the Cowboys benefit greatly both in terms of having a QB to lead this team for years as well as a potential trade bait with the other should both show great improvement

[silverbear]

the only people who thought there was a controversy were basically the fickle type simpletons and maybe a couple of media putz's like Skip Bayless...

Might I suggest that it's entirely possible that a few years from now, the fans who are now so frantically trying to label Henson a "bust" will look rather like "fickle type simpletons"??

That's been the point I've been trying to make all along... actually, though, I don't really think of that crew as simpletons (with one or two exceptions, LOL), I just think they lack the patience to ever be worth a hammered crap as a GM of a football team...

I repeat, with the occasional rare exception, NFL quarterbacks (no matter how good they were in college) need TIME to become good pros...

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm still waiting to hear some facts. Nothing but excuses from the Henson camp so far.

Exactly who is the Henson camp Nors? Don't start up with this Highschool crap. This is the same bullshyt that happend with QC and whomever else.

Would be so great if we could discuss Dallas QBs in an adult manner, rather then interjecting it with sophomoric disengender 24x7.

[silverbear]

Now you all have done it...You should have left sleeping bears lie...:lmao2:

Larry I am telling you there are some real headcases running around these parts... Some of whom you would think would be old enough by now to know better... Most of these headcases don't give a flying **** about the Dallas Cowboys... I would call them Trolls but that is not really what they are because they dress in the guise of a Cowboy fan but they are hatemongers....

Its one thing to disagree on a subject or even a player but this stuff is just hate and nothing based on "Reason"

All you posters that know a little about mental/emotional abnormalities chime in and explain to ole Zaxor the need to be hateful without plausable cause or reason...


now I will just sit right here in this thread and wait till I get a better understanding of this hate thing so while I am waiting
does anybody want to sing with me an old Beatles tune?

All you need is love... (all together now)
All you need is love...
All you need is love, love
Love is all you need

:flex::gent::dance2::dance3:


It's OK, Zax, I'm here to stand up for truth, justice and the Cowboy Way...

You want me on this board, you NEED me on this board...

ROTFLMAO...

[ABQCOWBOY]

I dont recall many thinking Walsh was the guy, and no, he didnt have a better college career...go look at the numbers Aikman put up at UCLA...he put up some awesome numbers...

there wasnt much doubt about Aikman's ability as a passer from day one...even in the shutout opening day loss in 1989 his enormous skills was evident...

David


I recall this. There were many, many Cowboy fans who wanted Walsh or anybody, over Aikman. I would also support the statement that Walsh did have a better college career then Aikman. Walsh put up, what was then, huge numbers at Miami. National Championships etc. Aikman had a fine couple of seasons at UCLA but I would say that Walsh had a better college career. This does not say that he was thought of in higher regard then Aikman by NFL people but he probably was more succesful in college.

[speedkilz88]

Yes many fans wanted Walsh or Aikman, it was rediculous. Even when Aikman's draft was coming up many did not want him because Rodney Peete was a way better QB in the Pac-10 and that Aikman was dumb and couldn't throw the deep ball.

[Doomsday101]

I recall this. There were many, many Cowboy fans who wanted Walsh or anybody, over Aikman. I would also support the statement that Walsh did have a better college career then Aikman. Walsh put up, what was then, huge numbers at Miami. National Championships etc. Aikman had a fine couple of seasons at UCLA but I would say that Walsh had a better college career. This does not say that he was thought of in higher regard then Aikman by NFL people but he probably was more succesful in college.

True because scouts are not looking so much at wins and loses they look at the individual talent and it was easy to see Troy had some real talent and guys like Walsh were more a product of the system at Miami not raw skill.

[Zaxor]

It's OK, Zax, I'm here to stand up for truth, justice and the Cowboy Way...

You want me on this board, you NEED me on this board...

ROTFLMAO...

I hope you brought your saddle with ya Cowboy as there are some ponies here that need to learn to multi-task

[silver]

Supposedly Jimmy was close to doing this. Took him until 92 to fully trust in Aikman.....

you mean that for 3 years he didn't trust him and yet reluctantly started him when healthy? I mustv'e been watching something else then. or maybe jerry forced jimmys hand. i guess the real genius was jerry after all.

[silverbear]

I hope you brought your saddle with ya Cowboy as there are some ponies here that need to learn to multi-task

Just remind me not to ride 'em hard and put 'em up wet... I'm a little lazy... :D

[Zaxor]

Just remind me not to ride 'em hard and put 'em up wet... I'm a little lazy... :D

Just to make sure...we are still talking about ponies here?:lmao2:

[Banned_n_austin]

10) Golfing he tried to hit off a root
9) Washing his truck and fell
8) Was doing pop wheelies on his motorcycle and crashed in a parking lot
7) Hit with a curveball secretly working on a baseball comeback
6) Hit his thumb trying to hammer in the for sale by owner sign on his house
5) So stressed about Romo he sucked it like a binky all offseason
4) patting himself on the back
3) bought that TV device - throw and ball return. Busted his thumb in back yard on recoil
2) After asking Parcells what his role was - Parcells threw a fit and nailed him with a paper weight.
1) hit it on the clipboard


:lmao:

[dbair1967]

I recall this. There were many, many Cowboy fans who wanted Walsh or anybody, over Aikman. I would also support the statement that Walsh did have a better college career then Aikman. Walsh put up, what was then, huge numbers at Miami. National Championships etc. Aikman had a fine couple of seasons at UCLA but I would say that Walsh had a better college career. This does not say that he was thought of in higher regard then Aikman by NFL people but he probably was more succesful in college.

somebody that can get college numbers can post it perhaps, but Aikman's passing stats at UCLA were sensational...as I recall one of his yrs he set a record for QB rating and had very few ints

"many- many" fans wanting Walsh over Aikman is just silly...I guess you could 25 is many, but almost everyone I knew was going nutzo over seeing Aikman play and doing back flips galore when he was drafted in 1989

Aikman has zilch for talent around him in 1989 and still showed the bigtime potential of being a true franchise QN...he had a couple of outstanding games that yr, the kind Walsh could only dream about

David

[Doomsday101]

somebody that can get college numbers can post it perhaps, but Aikman's passing stats at UCLA were sensational...as I recall one of his yrs he set a record for QB rating and had very few ints

"many- many" fans wanting Walsh over Aikman is just silly...I guess you could 25 is many, but almost everyone I knew was going nutzo over seeing Aikman play and doing back flips galore when he was drafted in 1989

Aikman has zilch for talent around him in 1989 and still showed the bigtime potential of being a true franchise QN...he had a couple of outstanding games that yr, the kind Walsh could only dream about

David

There was a lot of talk from those in the media and fans who tried to claim that Walsh would be the man, he played for Jimmy was selected as a 1st rd pick in the supplemental draft (which p!ssed Aikman off) and Walsh was the only one to win a game in 89 playing QB. Granted I never doubted for a second who the best guy was but yes there were more than just a few making noises about Steve Walsh

[dbair1967]

There was a lot of talk from those in the media and fans who tried to claim that Walsh would be the man, he played for Jimmy was selected as a 1st rd pick in the supplemental draft (which p!ssed Aikman off) and Walsh was the only one to win a game in 89 playing QB. Granted I never doubted for a second who the best guy was but yes there were more than just a few making noises about Steve Walsh

well thankfully for us Jimmy wasnt as dumb as some of the fans

David

[Doomsday101]

well thankfully for us Jimmy wasnt as dumb as some of the fans

David

I agree however it did p!ss Troy off that Jimmy would select another QB the same off-season he was drafted. Troy himself said it took a few years before he trusted Johnson because of that.

[Banned_n_austin]

Comparing Drew Henson to Troy Aikman is apples to oranges ... Troy started for UCLA ... Henson backed up Tom Brady - a sixth round pick - and started a total of 8 or 9 games ...

You can't compare them at all ... Troy had a lot of experience in college and was very good on a consistant basis, over time. And Troy went straight out of college immediately to the NFL ... and when he got there, he was "thrown to the wolves" so-to-speak and gained experience on a team that was in rebuilding mode ... not on a team that had a whole lot to lose ... unlike our current team where the age of some of our key pieces are becoming a factor as far as longevity ... and we're looking like a team that can compete with anyone right now ...

I believe that team (the year before Aikman) had a record of 3-13 the previous year and the team didn't have much talent so the team needn't worry about squandering a season because of QB play ... chances are that team was so bad, it didn't have a chance to compete in relative terms ... but the difference is that Troy was thrown right in there and gained game experience immediately after having a successful college career ... as to where Henson played a few college games and then took a long long layoff ...

If you're going to make an argument for Henson ... at least use something relevant ...

[Doomsday101]

Comparing Drew Henson to Troy Aikman is apples to oranges ... Troy started for UCLA ... Henson backed up Tom Brady - a sixth round pick - and started a total of 8 or 9 games ...

You can't compare them at all ... Troy had a lot of experience in college and was very good on a consistant basis, over time. And Troy went straight out of college immediately to the NFL ... and when he got there, he was "thrown to the wolves" so-to-speak and gained experience on a team that was in rebuilding mode ... not on a team that had a whole lot to lose ... unlike our current team where the age of some of our key pieces are becoming a factor as far as longevity ... and we're looking like a team that can compete with anyone right now ...

I believe that team (the year before Aikman) had a record of 3-13 the previous year and the team didn't have much talent so the team needn't worry about squandering a season because of QB play ... chances are that team was so bad, it didn't have a chance to compete in relative terms ... but the difference is that Troy was thrown right in there and gained game experience immediately after having a successful college career ... as to where Henson played a few college games and then took a long long layoff ...

If you're going to make an argument for Henson ... at least use something relevant ...

No one was comparing Henson to Aikman, the subject just took a bit of a left turn as most post do but there was no comparison being made

[ABQCOWBOY]

somebody that can get college numbers can post it perhaps, but Aikman's passing stats at UCLA were sensational...as I recall one of his yrs he set a record for QB rating and had very few ints

"many- many" fans wanting Walsh over Aikman is just silly...I guess you could 25 is many, but almost everyone I knew was going nutzo over seeing Aikman play and doing back flips galore when he was drafted in 1989

Aikman has zilch for talent around him in 1989 and still showed the bigtime potential of being a true franchise QN...he had a couple of outstanding games that yr, the kind Walsh could only dream about

David


OK David.

[ABQCOWBOY]

There was a lot of talk from those in the media and fans who tried to claim that Walsh would be the man, he played for Jimmy was selected as a 1st rd pick in the supplemental draft (which p!ssed Aikman off) and Walsh was the only one to win a game in 89 playing QB. Granted I never doubted for a second who the best guy was but yes there were more than just a few making noises about Steve Walsh

You can add to the fact that Irvin played with Walsh on there 87 National Championship team.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Comparing Drew Henson to Troy Aikman is apples to oranges ... Troy started for UCLA ... Henson backed up Tom Brady - a sixth round pick - and started a total of 8 or 9 games ...

You can't compare them at all ... Troy had a lot of experience in college and was very good on a consistant basis, over time. And Troy went straight out of college immediately to the NFL ... and when he got there, he was "thrown to the wolves" so-to-speak and gained experience on a team that was in rebuilding mode ... not on a team that had a whole lot to lose ... unlike our current team where the age of some of our key pieces are becoming a factor as far as longevity ... and we're looking like a team that can compete with anyone right now ...

I believe that team (the year before Aikman) had a record of 3-13 the previous year and the team didn't have much talent so the team needn't worry about squandering a season because of QB play ... chances are that team was so bad, it didn't have a chance to compete in relative terms ... but the difference is that Troy was thrown right in there and gained game experience immediately after having a successful college career ... as to where Henson played a few college games and then took a long long layoff ...

If you're going to make an argument for Henson ... at least use something relevant ...

Well Ben,

Now we have a comparison.

[Doomsday101]

You can add to the fact that Irvin played with Walsh on there 87 National Championship team.

True, at least many of these were the reason for some to think that Walsh would be the man. My personal view was the guy had a weak arm and was a product of the system as it seems to be with many of the UM and FSU QB's. Don't get me wrong these are 2 great programs but considering how good they have been few of their QB's make it in the NFL

[ABQCOWBOY]

True, at least many of these were the reason for some to think that Walsh would be the man. My personal view was the guy had a weak arm and was a product of the system as it seems to be with many of the UM and FSU QB's. Don't get me wrong these are 2 great programs but considering how good they have been few of their QB's make it in the NFL

To me, the problem here is that many have a difficult time seperating the College Career from the NFL potential. I agree with you completely Dooms. There is no question that Aikman was the best college QB prospect that had come out in years when he entered the draft. Walsh had a superior colligiate career. The fact that he won a national championship is proof of that IMO. It doesn't mean that anybody believed him to be more talented or even better. That's a completely seperate question.

[Bizwah]

Comparing Drew Henson to Troy Aikman is apples to oranges ... Troy started for UCLA ... Henson backed up Tom Brady - a sixth round pick - and started a total of 8 or 9 games ...

You can't compare them at all ... Troy had a lot of experience in college and was very good on a consistant basis, over time. And Troy went straight out of college immediately to the NFL ... and when he got there, he was "thrown to the wolves" so-to-speak and gained experience on a team that was in rebuilding mode ... not on a team that had a whole lot to lose ... unlike our current team where the age of some of our key pieces are becoming a factor as far as longevity ... and we're looking like a team that can compete with anyone right now ...

I believe that team (the year before Aikman) had a record of 3-13 the previous year and the team didn't have much talent so the team needn't worry about squandering a season because of QB play ... chances are that team was so bad, it didn't have a chance to compete in relative terms ... but the difference is that Troy was thrown right in there and gained game experience immediately after having a successful college career ... as to where Henson played a few college games and then took a long long layoff ...

If you're going to make an argument for Henson ... at least use something relevant ...

I'm not comparing Aikman and Henson.........at least I didn't mean to.

I was trying to illustrate how Cowboy fans are very impatient when waiting for a Qb to emerge.

Fans were ready to throw Aikman in front of the train (or at least some were) after going 0-11 his first year.

Now fans are ready to give up on Henson even though we knew (or should've known) that his development would take more time than the average QB.

I think it's ridiculous to draw any conclusions about any of our QBs yet. We haven't seen one preseason game, we haven't seen and devoured the practice film as the coaches have.

Give it time.

[Banned_n_austin]

I'm not comparing Aikman and Henson.........at least I didn't mean to.

I was trying to illustrate how Cowboy fans are very impatient when waiting for a Qb to emerge.

Fans were ready to throw Aikman in front of the train (or at least some were) after going 0-11 his first year.

Now fans are ready to give up on Henson even though we knew (or should've known) that his development would take more time than the average QB.

I think it's ridiculous to draw any conclusions about any of our QBs yet. We haven't seen one preseason game, we haven't seen and devoured the practice film as the coaches have.

Give it time.

I hear you, Bizwah. I'm going to give it some time ... I've been real hard on Henson, but dammit if people aren't high on him and to me I don't see the reasoning there ... I just think all the hype is premature ... but I'd be extatic if I were just flat out wrong.

I think I'll even take a break from the sig thing for a while ... and give the goofy little bastid a chance ...

I don't expect anything from him, but I'd love to be proven wrong ...

In any case, I'll give it a rest until preseason is through ...

Now about Aikman, I was at the training camp as a kid when he was here and the Steve Walsh/Aikman "controversy" was taking place ...

Guess what?

I wanted Troy to win that battle the whole time ... but my football perspective at that time was me being excited because I was right THERE ... and got to see Troy Aikman ... he stopped to sign autographs ... the Steve Walsh guy ran away from reporters and got in to his Corvette (or similiar automobile) and rushed away ... it was about that time that he left the team for some reason or another - can't remember ... but anyways, I got a ball signed by Aikman ...

Too bad after all the grass stains, rain, mud and things related ... the signature wore off and I eventually lost the ball ...

That said, things are totally different here with Henson ...

[Bizwah]

I hear you, Bizwah. I'm going to give it some time ... I've been real hard on Henson, but dammit if people aren't high on him and to me I don't see the reasoning there ... I just think all the hype is premature ... but I'd be extatic if I were just flat out wrong.

I think I'll even take a break from the sig thing for a while ... and give the goofy little bastid a chance ...

I don't expect anything from him, but I'd love to be proven wrong ...

In any case, I'll give it a rest until preseason is through ...

Now about Aikman, I was at the training camp as a kid when he was here and the Steve Walsh/Aikman "controversy" was taking place ...

Guess what?

I wanted Troy to win that battle the whole time ... but my football perspective at that time was me being excited because I was right THERE ... and got to see Troy Aikman ... he stopped to sign autographs ... the Steve Walsh guy ran away from reporters and got in to his Corvette (or similiar automobile) and rushed away ... it was about that time that he left the team for some reason or another - can't remember ... but anyways, I got a ball signed by Aikman ...

Too bad after all the grass stains, rain, mud and things related ... the signature wore off and I eventually lost the ball ...

That said, things are totally different here with Henson ...

Cowboy fans are, if anything else, passionate. We love our team and expect excellence. So, I don't blame you for being skeptical. I also tend to get annoyed when a player that hasn't proven anything is claimed to be the next best thing.

I hope you're proven wrong on this too! ;)

To the Aikman thing.......I too, wanted Aikman to win the competition. I couldn't understand why other people couldn't see it as well. I was angry with Jimmy. I thought he would show favoritism to Walsh.

Fortunately, that didn't happen.

And, for the record, I was also a Danny White supporter. Like you, I had a football signed by a Cowboy.....it was White. Being a stupid kid, I played with the football instead of keeping it on a dresser somewhere. Ah.....well, the signature was gone in a month.

[Banned_n_austin]

Cowboy fans are, if anything else, passionate. We love our team and expect excellence. So, I don't blame you for being skeptical. I also tend to get annoyed when a player that hasn't proven anything is claimed to be the next best thing.

I hope you're proven wrong on this too! ;)

To the Aikman thing.......I too, wanted Aikman to win the competition. I couldn't understand why other people couldn't see it as well. I was angry with Jimmy. I thought he would show favoritism to Walsh.

Fortunately, that didn't happen.

And, for the record, I was also a Danny White supporter. Like you, I had a football signed by a Cowboy.....it was White. Being a stupid kid, I played with the football instead of keeping it on a dresser somewhere. Ah.....well, the signature was gone in a month.

I hear you, but I find it ironic that some of the same people that have said similiar things about other QB's get so offended about this one ...

And it's baffling because he's not even comparable to those guys because he's not starting ... nor is anything indicating that he will be ... but as a fan, I guess I do have to 'root' for the guy ...

And don't get me started about things I f'd up as a kid ... I had a baseball signed by the entire Cincinatti Reds team ... it consisted of signatures of legends like Johnny Bench, Dave Conception and Pete Rose ... the entire team ...

Lord forgive me for not cherishing that like I should have ...


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[silverbear]

Just to make sure...we are still talking about ponies here?:lmao2:




God, I hope so...

[silverbear]

Comparing Drew Henson to Troy Aikman is apples to oranges ... Troy started for UCLA ... Henson backed up Tom Brady - a sixth round pick - and started a total of 8 or 9 games ...

You can't compare them at all ... Troy had a lot of experience in college and was very good on a consistant basis, over time. And Troy went straight out of college immediately to the NFL ... and when he got there, he was "thrown to the wolves" so-to-speak and gained experience on a team that was in rebuilding mode ... not on a team that had a whole lot to lose ... unlike our current team where the age of some of our key pieces are becoming a factor as far as longevity ... and we're looking like a team that can compete with anyone right now ...

I believe that team (the year before Aikman) had a record of 3-13 the previous year and the team didn't have much talent so the team needn't worry about squandering a season because of QB play ... chances are that team was so bad, it didn't have a chance to compete in relative terms ... but the difference is that Troy was thrown right in there and gained game experience immediately after having a successful college career ... as to where Henson played a few college games and then took a long long layoff ...

If you're going to make an argument for Henson ... at least use something relevant ...


The comparison was made merely to point out that even arguably great NFL quarterbacks take some time to develop... it was made to advocate a little patience with Henson, because after all, if we hadn't been patient with Troy, nobody today would be talking about his chances of making the Hall of Fame...

The comparison was NOT made to claim that Henson is as good as Troy was...

I know, because I'm the one who made the point originally...

[notherbob]

My guess is that Jimmy knew Walsh knew the offensive system inside out and backwards and Aikman didn't and Jimmy thought that Walsh gave him a better chance of winning immediately and he really wanted to come out swinging. That first year, Jimmy thought it was very imoportant to win the pre-season games and establish a pattern of winning - only to get clobbered in the regular season. He later said that if he had any idea they would have had the number one pick the following year, he would not have used his first rounder on Walsh.

[Banned_n_austin]

The comparison was made merely to point out that even arguably great NFL quarterbacks take some time to develop... it was made to advocate a little patience with Henson, because after all, if we hadn't been patient with Troy, nobody today would be talking about his chances of making the Hall of Fame...

The comparison was NOT made to claim that Henson is as good as Troy was...

I know, because I'm the one who made the point originally...

But the Troy situation is entirely different from Henson's altogether ... Troy never took a lay off ... Troy started almost all of his games in college ... there was good reason to be patient for Troy Aikman ... he loved football and showed it ... not only that, but there was a LOT of tangible evidence that Troy had potential ... there is very little to go off of Henson ...

It's simply not comparable, even in terms of being patient ... Troy played in the NFL his first year - started ... Henson backed up Testaverde, Quincy Carter and Tony Romo and different times ...

If you want to be patient, go ahead. But don't claim it's for the same reasons coaches and fans were patient with Troy Aikman ... his supporting cast was awful for one ... it was understandable that any QB could have a hard time during his rookie year ... not only that, but he was out there playing his first year, immediately out of college ... and he had a long college career and gained a lot more game experience.

It's Apples to Oranges ... even making a "patience" comparison here.

[blindzebra]

But the Troy situation is entirely different from Henson's altogether ... Troy never took a lay off ... Troy started almost all of his games in college ... there was good reason to be patient for Troy Aikman ... he loved football and showed it ... not only that, but there was a LOT of tangible evidence that Troy had potential ... there is very little to go off of Henson ...

It's simply not comparable, even in terms of being patient ... Troy played in the NFL his first year - started ... Henson backed up Testaverde, Quincy Carter and Tony Romo and different times ...

If you want to be patient, go ahead. But don't claim it's for the same reasons coaches and fans were patient with Troy Aikman ... his supporting cast was awful for one ... it was understandable that any QB could have a hard time during his rookie year ... not only that, but he was out there playing his first year, immediately out of college ... and he had a long college career and gained a lot more game experience.

It's Apples to Oranges ... even making a "patience" comparison here.

Just when did Henson back up Carter?

3 days of practice does not count.:D

[Banned_n_austin]

Just when did Henson back up Carter?

3 days of practice does not count.:D

Well, according to Crown Royal ... Carter wasn't cut until much later ...

But yeah ... for 3 days ... and it does count ...

[jobberone]

I can't think of a healthy reason why anyone does not want Henson and Romo to develop into starting quality QBs. That's the best scenario for this club. It might never happen but why root against someone so you can be right about your prediction.

There's a difference between thinking someone may be a bust and wanting them cut because you think they are and wanting them to be a bust because you don't like them for some arcane reason or worst because you want to be right.

Personally I thought Henson was not worth a third rounder taking into account we had so many other holes on a pretty bad team. I don't like what I see now in Henson but I also don't think you can say you have finished your evaluation of this player. Currently he's even hurt. So as long as he's a Cowboy I will pull for him. In fact I will pull for him anyway. I don't want him to beat our team but otherwise I hope he realizes all his dreams.