My Observations From Being at the Game

[Hostile]

Howdy folks. You guys will never know how much I missed the site the last 2 days as I went to the game.

Pictures coming later when I download them to a site.

Okay, let's start with the thing everyone always wants to talk about, quarterbacks.

MichaelWinicki and LaTunaNostra, I would just like to say until the two of you pointed it out I had no idea how obvous it is that Drew Bledsoe pats the football a lot before he throws it. He took 2 sacks yesterday and fumbled on one of them. Luckily we got it back. I acknowledge that he has a canon for an arm. There is no doubt about that at all. However, last night he looked awful. He was pushing the ball instead of throwing it. He had more time than either of the other 2 QBs and looked the worst of the 3 in some regards.

Okay, on to Tony Romo. He had a better completion % than Drew and moved the team, but I'm going to be honest, he lollypops every throw. There was almost no zip on any pass. I have tried to be supportive of him but I'm going to be honest, he will never be starter material. It just flat out will not happen. When standing next to the 2 Drews he is noticably shorter. The most glaring difference though is the velocity of the football. Quite frankly he had none last night. To his credit he made very smart throws. He was locked onto Witten (more about him later) and as a result he moved the team.

Okay, now is where you guys get to call me a Henson Apologist or whatever you want. With less time than either of the first 2 guys he was noticably better than they were in every aspect of the game. He took a sack late on the last drive that he had no chance to avoid. If not for that he played well enough to have done exactly what Parcells asked for, that was to come in late and win the game. Those who were worried about this kid can stop. He has some serious tools. He played better with less than either of the other two guys and yes, I will acknowledge he played against a lesser defense than they did. At least acknowledge this when bringing that up, Antrel Rolle and Lance Mitchell are going to be starters for the Cardinals this year at some point. He wasn't going against scrubs, these guys were good.

Okay, moving on to my perrenial biggest worry, pass rush. Once again, we had none. DeMarcus Ware got double teamed a lot. On Warner's TD pass he had a chance for a killer shot, but he pulled up to avoid the flag. If he gets a shot like that a step sooner he will anihilate someone. We did not blitz worth a crap and we gave them too much time to beat us. I was so ready to see pressure on the QB it was not funny. It just didn't happen.

I think we played more 4-3 than 3-4. Might be because of Fergy being out, but we definitely had both looks. Canty even played some DT. Glover and Ellis need not worry about their roles. They are going to play. Glover was brilliant as usual. Thomas "Pepper" Johnson is fun to watch folks. This kid plays with the throttle mashed. Ogbogu's arms are ripped and he literally rode McNown to the ground on 1 hit. I was impressed and I thought he was a longshot. Coleman is our best DE in the 3-4 right now. He was truly great. Carson is a square built son of a gun.

Nors, hate to shatter your illusions, but Al Singleton is one of our biggest LBs, not one of the smallest. He is huge and he is cut. Not only that but he made plays all over the field while he was in. JMO, but Ryan Fowler outplayed Shanle. Both played well, but Folwer was more impressive. I feel pretty good in saying Bradie James has arrived. I thought he was one of our better players last night. He made a great read on one play and nearly could have had a pick. If he had reacted a split second sooner he is going back the other way. A kid I like, Mike Goolsby, had a great read on one play. I was mad as heck that the big screen didn't replay it. That was football intelligence personified.

Kevin Burnett is huge. He is going to be a favorite of mine for a long time. This kid was born to play football. I can't wait until he is a starter.

RCB is solved. Anthony Henry was awesome. He is big and agressive and his techiniques were solid. Beriault has a future in the NFL. I love guys who play with that much heart. The reports of his being a solid tackler were dead on the money. Davis started at FS but did not do much.

Terrence Newman has a new nickname courtesy of CaliCowboy (more on him and others later). He is the Newspaper because he covered everybody. Newman is going to be great this year.

Roy Williams is already on form and looks huge. I feel bad for WRs and TEs this year. They are going to hurt. He is simply a heat seeking missile out there.

Okay, moving to offense, I want to start with Jason Witten. He is simply a pleasure to watch play. Apologies to my sister Princess, but if he continues as he is going right now, this kid will be the best TE in Cowboys history. His hands are just awesome.

Speaking of hands, this report is for CowboysFan02 who requested this from Chat. Patrick Crayton is for real. He snatches the ball out of the air with authority. His route running was crisp and you can't say enough about how hard he goes.

LTN, Terry Glenn didn't get much attention last night but he has the best hands on the team and that is saying something given who he is competing against. The ball just lands in his hands. Also wanted to let you know he looks as fast as ever.

My kid, Lousaka Polite made the team. Not only did he play great last night, but Dale told me something Parcells said about him off the record.

Julius Jones is cut. Oh my gosh did he work hard this off season. I expect 1600 yards from him. He can do it. Barber looked okay last night. Didn't see much of A-train. My gosh it is hard not to notice Tyson Thompson. scottsp specifically asked me for a report on him. scott, he explodes to the hole. He turns the corner as fast as anyone I have seen in years. Last night, he was by far the most impressive player.

Pittdawg, Rob had a rough night but he showed some heart. He's gotta lose that mohawk though. Your son is a mountain of a man. I liked most of what I saw last night. He bites on the 1st move too much. They will work with him on that.

Jacob Rogers got hurt again. Tucker is not a Tackle. Kurt Vollers is huge. You can't even imagine how big he is until you see him.

Speaking of huge, Larry Allen is all man. I wouldn't fight him unles he was unconscious. He looks great. Expect a top flight year.

Gurode started at Center and to be truthful played better than Al Johnson.

Peterman is fun to watch. He has a nasty streak. I am going to like him a lot.

Our kick and punt coverage teams were awful last night. I still hate kickers. McBriar was awesome though. There were way too many penalties. Parcells will be chewing this week.

Okay, now about the folks I met personally for the 1st time.

I'll start with Dale. He is every bit as impressive in person as he is in posts. There is not a doubt in the world that he is a genuine good guy. I did something really stupid when I went to pick him up at the team hotel. I left my camera in the car. I got to meet Roy Williams, Marcus Spears, and Jason Witten. Could have had pics too. Duh.

Dale and I went out to eat with AdButcher. Folks, I am big, AdButcher dwarfs me. It is a good thing he is a kind man because he could hurt people. Dude knows football. He, Dale, and I went out to dinner Friday night and the stories were awesome. Ad and I will do games together again. Book it.

I hope Dale tells one of them to the forum some day. Bang bang.

:lmao2:

Our resident basketball referee Blindzebra attended the game with me and Adbutcher. We all had a ball. He recognizes stuff as fast as anyone you will meet. Great memory for our History too. Lots of fun. Ad had rented a Hummer H3. That's how we went to the game. Parked in spot #22. Blindzebra is good people. No doubt about it.

Met Sitting Bull and his son right before half time. His son is a great looking kid. Kind of shy. Genuine nice guy it was a pleasure to meet. Wish we could have rapped more.

CaliCowboy who has done reports from TC was one of group that we tailgated with. It was great to meet him and his wife and son. I will meet him again at TC next year. He sold me on needing to go.

AZCowboy and I are going to party together some more. He is an ASU guy. I'm a UA guy. We need to go to the game this year and give each other crap. He looks exactly like my best friend Rich, except with blonde hair. Had much fun getting to know him. He met Robert Newhouse last night and got to put on his Super Bowl ring. So I am jealous as hell right now.

CowboyGolfer is a soft spoken guy who has a son who is going to be huge. Kid is only 14 and already casts quite a shadow. Good people. I hope that he and I can play a round some time. I'm told I will need to bring my A game because he's that good.

Message boards are very much a brotherhood. We had a group that got together from "rival" boards and we all had a ball. It showed me more than ever that having hard feelings towards a fellow Cowboys fan over stuff on the Internet is just silly.

I'll answer specific questions. These were my observations. Place whatever emphasis on them that you wish.

[SALADIN]

'bout time Hos...we've been waiting to hear from you.

Good read, thanks for the analysis!

[Cbz40]

Great stuff.......wish I could have been with you guys.

[Tio]

Well hos...you'll be surprised to hear what some are saying about last nights game...

But...atleast everyone agrees bledsoe sucks.

[CaptainAmerica]

Howdy folks. You guys will never know how much I missed the site the last 2 days as I went to the game.

Pictures coming later when I download them to a site.

Okay, let's start with the thing everyone always wants to talk about, quarterbacks.

MichaelWinicki and LaTunaNostra, I would just like to say until the two of you pointed it out I had no idea how obvous it is that Drew Bledsoe pats the football a lot before he throws it. He took 2 sacks yesterday and fumbled on one of them. Luckily we got it back. I acknowledge that he has a canon for an arm. There is no doubt about that at all. However, last night he looked awful. He was pushing the ball instead of throwing it. He had more time than either of the other 2 QBs and looked the worst of the 3 in some regards.

Okay, on to Tony Romo. He had a better completion % than Drew and moved the team, but I'm going to be honest, he lollypops every throw. There was almost no zip on any pass. I have tried to be supportive of him but I'm going to be honest, he will never be starter material. It just flat out will not happen. When standing next to the 2 Drews he is noticably shorter. The most glaring difference though is the velocity of the football. Quite frankly he had none last night. To his credit he made very smart throws. He was locked onto Witten (more about him later) and as a result he moved the team.

Okay, now is where you guys get to call me a Henson Apologist or whatever you want. With less time than either of the first 2 guys he was noticably better than they were in every aspect of the game. He took a sack late on the last drive that he had no chance to avoid. If not for that he played well enough to have done exactly what Parcells asked for, that was to come in late and win the game. Those who were worried about this kid can stop. He has some serious tools. He played better with less than either of the other two guys and yes, I will acknowledge he played against a lesser defense than they did. At least acknowledge this when bringing that up, Antrel Rolle and Lance Mitchell are going to be starters for the Cardinals this year at some point. He wasn't going against scrubs, these guys were good.

Okay, moving on to my perrenial biggest worry, pass rush. Once again, we had none. DeMarcus ware got double teamed a lot. On Warner's TD pass he had a chance for a killer shot, but he pulled up to avoid the flag. If he gets a shot like that a step sooner he will anihilate someone. We did not blitz worth a crap and we gave them too much time to beat us. I was so ready to see pressure on the QB it was not funny. It just didn't happen.

I think we played mroe 4-3 than 3-4. Might be because of Fergy being out, but we definitely had both looks. Canty even played some DT. Glover and Ellis need not worry about their roles. They are going to play. Glover was brilliant as usual. Thomas "Pepper" Johnson is fun to watch folks. This kid plays with the throttle mashed. Ogbogu's arms are ripped and he literally rode McNown to the ground on 1 hit. I was impressed and I thought he was a lognshot. Coleman is our best DE in the 3-4 right now. He was truly great. Carson is a square built son of a gun.

Nors, hate to shatter your illusions but Al Singleton is one of our biggest LBs, not one of the smallest. He is huge and he is cut. Not only that but he made plays all over the field while he was in. JMO, but Ryan Fowler outplayed Shanle. Both played well, but Folwer was more impressive. I feel pretty good in saying Bradie James has arrived. I thought he was one of our better players last night. He made a great read on one play and nearly could have had a pick. If he had reacted a split second sooner he is going back the other way. A kid I like, Mike Goolsby had a great read on one play. I was mad as heck that the big screen didn't replay it. That was football intelligence personified.

Kevin Burnett is huge. He is going to be a favorite of mine for a long time. This kid was born to play football. I can't wait until he is a starter.

RCB is solved. Anthony Henry was awesome. He is big and agressive and his techiniques were solid. Beriault has a future in the NFL. I love guys who play with that much heart. The reports of his being a solid tackler were dead on the money. Davis started at FS but did not do much.

Terrence Newman has a new nickname courtesy of CaliCowboy (more on him and others later). He is the Newspaper because he covered everybody. Newman is going to be great this year.

Roy Williams is already on form and looks huge. I feel bad for WRs and TEs this year. They are going to hurt. He is

Okay, moving to offense, I want to start with Jason Witten. He is simply a pleasure to watch play. Apologies to my sister Princess, but if he continues as he is going right now, this kid will be the best TE in Cowboys history. His hands are just awesome.

Speaking of hands, this report is for CowboysFan02 who requested this form Chat. Patrick Crayton is for real. He snatches the ball out of the air with authority. His route running was crisp and you can't say enough about how hard he goes.

LTN, Terry Glenn didn't get much attention last night but he has the best hands on the team and that is saying something given who he is competing against. The ball just lands in his hands. Also wanted to let you know he looks as fast as ever.

My kid, Lousaka Polite made the team. Not only did he play great last night, but Dale told me something Parcells said about him off the record.

Julius Jones is cut. Oh my gosh did he work hard this off season. I expect 1600 yards from him. He can do it. Barber looked okay last night. Didn't see much of A-train. My gosh it is hard not to notice Tyson Thompson. scottsp specifically asked me for a report on him. scott, he explodes to the hole. He turns the corner as fast as anyone I have seen in years. Last night, he was by far the most impressive player.

Pittdawg, Rob had a rough night but he showed some heart. He's gotta lose that mohawk though. Your son is a mountain of a man. I liked most of what I saw last night. He bites on the 1st move too much. They will work with him on that.

Jacob Rogers got hurt again. Tucker is not a Tackle. Kurt Vollers is huge. You can't even imagine how big he is until you see him.

Speaking of huge, Larry Allen is all man. I wouldn't fight him unles he was unconscious. He looks great. Expect a top flight year.

Gurode started at Center and to be truthful played better than Al Johnson.

Peterman is fun to watch. He has a nasty streak. I am going to like him a lot.

Our kick and punt coverage teams were awful last night. I still hate kickers. McBriar was awesome though. There were way too many penalties. Parcells will be chewing this week.

Okay, now about the folks I met personally for the 1st time.

I'll start with Dale. He is every bit as impressive in person as he is in posts. There is not a doubt in the world that he is a genuine good guy. I did something really stupid when I went to pick him up at the team hotel. I left my camera in the car. I got to meet Roy Williams, Marcus Spears, and Jason Witten. Could have had pics too. Duh.

Dale and I went out to eat with AdButcher. Folks, I am big, AdButcher dwarfs me. It is a good thing he is a kind man because he could hurt people. Dude knows football. He, Dale, and I went out to dinner Friday night and the stories were awesome. Ad and I will do games together again. Book it.

I hope Dale tells one of them to the forum some day. Bang bang.

:lmao2:

Our resident basketball referee Blindzebra attended the game with me and Adbutcher. We all had a ball. He recognizes stuff as fast as anyone you will meet. Great memory for our History too. Lots of fun. Ad had rented a Hummer H3. That's how we went to the game. Parked in spot #22. Blindzebra is good people. No doubt about it.

Met Sitting Bull and his son right before half time. His son is a great looking kid. Kind of shy. Genuine nice guy it was a pleasure to meet. Wish we could have rapped more.

CaliCowboy who has done reports from TC was one of group that we tailgated with. It was great to meet him and his wife and son. I will meet him again at TC next year. He sold me on needing to go.

AZCowboy and I are going to party together some more. He is an ASU guy. I'm a UA guy. We need to go to the game this year and give each other crap. He looks exactly like my best friend Rich, except with blonde hair. Had much fun getting to know him. He met Robert Newhouse last night and got to put on his Super Bowl ring. So I am jealous as hell right now.

CowboyGolfer is a soft spoken guy who has a son who is going to be huge. Kid is only 14 and already casts quite a shadow. Good people. I hope that he and I can play a round some time. I'm told I will need to bring my A game because he's that good.

Message boards are very much a brotherhood. We had a group that got together from "rival" boards and we all had a ball. It showed me more than ever that having hard feelings towards a fellow Cowboys fan over stuff on the Internet is just silly.

I'll answer specific questions. These were my observations. Place whatever emphasis on them that you wish.

Great post, Hostile! Thanks for sharing all of that.

As for your observations on Henson, please see my comments in another thread subject and let me know what you think. I am glad to hear what you observed in person, because I know TV can distort arm strength, size, etc. from what is actually observed at the game.

Thanks again! Sounds like you had a great time and I am jealous. Would love to hear those off-the-record comments and all the stories!

[dargonking999]

Wow hos i didnt know you had it in you, thanks for the info

[CowboysFan02]

Welcome back Hos! Man with that lay off you are down abou 100k posts from your normal pace. :D

Thanks for the report on Crayton, dont know if you read it but Aikman was doing color, and said something to the extent that some in the Org think Crayton will challange for #2. Now while I am a Crayton homer, I think he mis-spoke and meant he will roatate in at #2 to spell Glenn like BP said.

Next year at camp I am definatly going to have to meet up with some of the other guys and gals from this board at camp.

[Hostile]

Well hos...you'll be surprised to hear what some are saying about last nights game...

But...atleast everyone agrees bledsoe sucks.I am actually wondering what folks were saying. Send me URLs to specific threads.

[LeonDixson]

Good stuff, Hos. Thanks

[ndanger]

Congrats on a great time .Great read,many thanks.

:bow:

[Hostile]

Welcome back Hos! Man with that lay off you are down abou 100k posts from your normal pace. :D

Thanks for the report on Crayton, dont know if you read it but Aikman was doing color, and said something to the extent that some in the Org think Crayton will challange for #2. Now while I am a Crayton homer, I think he mis-spoke and meant he will roatate in at #2 to spell Glenn like BP said.

Next year at camp I am definatly going to have to meet up with some of the other guys and gals from this board at camp.CF02, Crayton is smooth personified. This kid had my heart leaping in my chest more than once. Even when the ball does not go to him he runs crisp routes. He's got 2 vested veterans to compete with but I really loved watching him last night.

BTW, I didn't say this in my analysis but he throws better than Romo. Kid has a gun. No joke.

[WoodysGirl]

Hostile, I'm so jealous... Sounds like you guys had a great time.

Edit: I liked the name newspaper for Terence Newman. Whats the story on that Hos?

[Tio]

Just search for banned's last few posts. ITs funny, he so quickly dismisses henson as ok and goes on and on about romo's moxie and how he was having fun out there...I think he is doing it on purpose to stir the ol' pot.

[BigDFan5]

They are going to hurt. He is


Thanks for the great report Yoda!

[BigDFan5]

Just search for banned's last few posts. ITs funny, he so quickly dismisses henson as ok and goes on and on about romo's moxie and how he was having fun out there...I think he is doing it on purpose to stir the ol' pot.

But he has no agenda just remember that :lmao:

[Woods]

Great re-cap Hos.

So why do you think L. Polite makes the team?

I've been rooting for him as well, but I was getting the feeling that we may go with 4 TEs this year and no FBs, esp. if Thompson makes the roster (which I hope he will).

[Zaxor]

Great re-cap Hos.

So why do you think L. Polite makes the team?

I've been rooting for him as well, but I was getting the feeling that we may go with 4 TEs this year and no FBs, esp. if Thompson makes the roster (which I hope he will).

Yeah I would like to hear that also

[jobberone]

Good deal Hos. Glad you got to meet so many nice people and had such a great time. Sorry you didn't get the pics. Know how that feels. Lug a camera all over the place then leave it when you really need it. Great observations. Can't wait to see the game tomorrow on Network.

[blindzebra]

Hostile, I'm so jealous... Sounds like you guys had a great time.

Edit: I liked the name newspaper for Terence Newman. Whats the story on that Hos?

While at camp, Cali and his son were throwing the ball around and Cali, said "Just call me newspaper because I cover everbody." It dawned on them that it would be a great nickname for Newman.

He told Newman about it, and he loved the idea.

[blindzebra]

Yeah I would like to hear that also

It's gonna be a tough call.

Parcells likes Ryan, Thompson, Polite and Pierce all played very well.

[LaTunaNostra]

Wonderful read, TH!

It was almost like being there...

We've been debating all day how much was oline, how much Bledsoe, and of course anyone with eyes saw that the AZ dline OWNED us.

So despite the ball patting (and Mick and his radio partner just said a minute or so ago that Tuna stated: "we really didn't let him throw that much" , beat that excuse, Chief), and what APPEARED to be limited read progression (how could it not be), please tell us....

WERE OUR FREAKING FIRST TEAM RECEIVERS EVER OPEN? :)

Or was Drew an all around sitting duck for that excellent pass rush ?

Thanks....glad you had such a good time.

[WoodysGirl]

While at camp, Cali and his son were throwing the ball around and Cali, said "Just call me newspaper because I cover everbody." It dawned on them that it would be a great nickname for Newman.

He told Newman about it, and he loved the idea.Cute story. I like it. Glad Newman does too. Wonder if it'll take off in the fandom.

Thanks BZ.

[big dog cowboy]

Great recap Hos. Sounds like a real blast. While the game pretty much sucked at least all you guys had a good time and that is all that sounts. Those are some great memories you will keep from the experience. Some day I will be able to participate.

[Hostile]

Hostile, I'm so jealous... Sounds like you guys had a great time.

Edit: I liked the name newspaper for Terence Newman. Whats the story on that Hos?At TC, CaliCowboy, CowboyGolfer, and AZCowboy were playing some football. Cali knocked away a pass and shouted, "call me newspaper because I cover everything."

As soon as he said it the wheels were turning and they told Newman about it and he loves it.

[Zaxor]

It's gonna be a tough call.

Parcells likes Ryan, Thompson, Polite and Pierce all played very well.

You are so right Thompson will not make it to the PS I think...Polite maybe the only FB we keep... I think Ryan and Pierce may make it to the PS but that leaves us short at TE

[CoCo]

Hos,

Really appreciate that long write-up and your first hand view of things. I like to hear people's staright up opinion of players after an up close view even if it was just a single preseason game. Sounds like we have some players to be excited about and that perhaps Mr Tucker is headed out. Perhaps.

On top of that the profiles of fellow Zone members was cool too.

I think it is also worth mentioning that although I have never met you I am truly impressed by the respect you give other people on this site. Its written all over your post above as a case in point. It is most likely a quality man who has the vision to see quality in others and then give them their just reward. You da man!

Thanks again.

[Hostile]

Great re-cap Hos.

So why do you think L. Polite makes the team?

I've been rooting for him as well, but I was getting the feeling that we may go with 4 TEs this year and no FBs, esp. if Thompson makes the roster (which I hope he will).Dale should tell the story if he is of the mind to at some point. Parcells said something to the team reporters that he asked be kept "off the record."

Polite runs hard, picks up blitzes and showed decent hands last night. I am more amped than ever for this kid.

BTW, described by one coach as "the smartest player on the team."

[CowboysFan02]

CF02, Crayton is smooth personified. This kid had my heart leaping in my chest more than once. Even when the ball does not go to him he runs crisp routes. He's got 2 vested veterans to compete with but I really loved watching him last night.

BTW, I didn't say this in my analysis but he throws better than Romo. Kid has a gun. No joke.

Hos are you talking about Crayton that has a Cannon? If you are I remember reading about him having a great arm while looking up something in the archive a few weeks back.

And when I was at camp he was warming up with the Qb's and seemed to have nice spiral. I think we have finally found that late round gem at WR we have been looking for.

How did Copper look, I heard his name called a few times on the radio broadcast.

Thanks again Hos!:bow:

[Tio]

Oh come on hos...You think we would keep information like that from you?

[CowboysFan02]

Dale should tell the story if he is of the mind to at some point. Parcells said something to the team reporters that he asked be kept "off the record."

Polite runs hard, picks up blitzes and showed decent hands last night. I am more amped than ever for this kid.

BTW, described by one coach as "the smartest player on the team."

I guess this puts the Bickerstaff may make the team as a FB/RB then. Figuring out who we are going to keep RB/FB wise is going to be tough, with Julius locked as the starter, that leaves, MBIII, A-Train, Thompson, Bickerstaff, Polite, and Barnes.

I see us keeping 4: Julius, MBIII, Thompson/A-Train and Polite.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Great Recap Hos...and it sounds like meeting the guys was actually better then the game. :cool:

[Hostile]

Wonderful read, TH!

It was almost like being there...

We've been debating all day how much was oline, how much Bledsoe, and of course anyone with eyes saw that the AZ dline OWNED us.

So despite the ball patting (and Mick and his radio partner just said a minute or so ago that Tuna stated: "we really didn't let him throw that much" , beat that excuse, Chief), and what APPEARED to be limited read progression (how could it not be), please tell us....

WERE OUR FREAKING FIRST TEAM RECEIVERS EVER OPEN? :)

Or was Drew an all around sitting duck for that excellent pass rush ?

Thanks....glad you had such a good time.Our first team OL was awful in run blocking but in pass blocking Bledsoe had way more time than Romo or Henson.

In warmups Bledsoe and Henson throw it and you can hear it hit the WRs hands. Romo lollypops everything. I'm not trying to be critical but I was unimpressed. Quite frankly I wonder why he is still here. His accuracy is good, but in the NFL that lack of velocity is going to cripple him.

Okay, back to Bledsoe. He was pushing the ball. It was almost like as soon as he threw it he wanted to pull the string and bring it back. I love his pop on the ball but he couldn't have hit McNabb's barn the way he played last night.

I do NOT put this on our OL because they gave him time. Yes, AZ's D was great last night, but he had 4 to 5 seconds on many throws. I doubt Romo or Henson had that on more than 1 or 2 apiece. On one of Henson's he had that time because of a scramble more than the OL.

Being honest and remember, I am behind Bledsoe as our starter. He was horrible last night. Him personally. Other than 1 throw to Witten and 1 to Key he was not on his game at all. The WR and TEs ran clean routes. People were open. He did not get the job done.

[Duane]

Great stuff Hos.

[Hostile]

Great Recap Hos...and it sounds like meeting the guys was actually better then the game. :cool:That is 100% true BP. These people were as good a group of people as I have ever had the privilege to meet in my life. We have some great people as fans of this team. I'd get together for a game with these guys and their families any time and feel damned privileged to be around them again.

[BadKarma]

Thanks for the great player evaluation. Unable to watch the telecast, I had to rely heavily on what I read on this board, which was still very informative.

Glad you got a chance to watch first-hand and provide a great summary. After reading your post, it appears all is not lost. So after last night, who stood out most on offense and defense?

I'm starting to get concerned with right tackle. If we can't lock that down, we're in deep doo-doo.

[RCowboyFan]

Great read, Hos. Excellent recaps from you and BlindZebra.

You know, I didn't think Romo had lack of zip as much as Henson has the cannon, but I guess seeing live you would notice it better.

Either way, I do think, Romo might be perfect fit for WCO. He might excel in it. Either way, from early and way premature evaluations, I would prefer him over Bledsoe though. Lets hope those are way too premature and Bledsoe proves me and several of us wrong.

[Hostile]

Hos,

Really appreciate that long write-up and your first hand view of things. I like to hear people's staright up opinion of players after an up close view even if it was just a single preseason game. Sounds like we have some players to be excited about and that perhaps Mr Tucker is headed out. Perhaps.

On top of that the profiles of fellow Zone members was cool too.

I think it is also worth mentioning that although I have never met you I am truly impressed by the respect you give other people on this site. Its written all over your post above as a case in point. It is most likely a quality man who has the vision to see quality in others and then give them their just reward. You da man!

Thanks again.Wow. Thank you very much. Very nice of you to say that.

[LaTunaNostra]

Being honest and remember, I am behind Bledsoe as our starter. He was horrible last night. Him personally. Other than 1 throw to Witten and 1 to Key he was not on his game at all. The WR and TEs ran clean routes. People were open. He did not get the job done.

Thank you, TH, I could have taken the reality if our receivers not being able to separate if it were so, but you know from the living room, you just can't see an entire route, and often not even the start of it.

One more couch potato observation, other folks need to get your attention...
but TH there was one player on first team D absolutely wowed me.

O! Henry.

Geez, but was he ever around that ball...even in a d formation often ill suited to the offensive play.

That man's a player.

[da_boyz_mk]

Terrence "The Newspaper" Newman....I Love It.

[CoCo]

Hos,

I'm gonna give you 1 question. Its frankly much bigger than the preseason game you attended.

Can Parcells really get this team back to elite status?

His first year was impressive enough. 10-6 with admittedly some parts missing. Year 2 was a major step back. Easy to forgive if he can quickly regroup. The 2005 offseason looked like a bonanza with the draft and FA's but...

I know its utter foolishness to overreact to last nights game but despite the very good eye for talent and character that I think Parcells possesses I've recently read reports that even Parcells felt last years team did not compete. It seemed to suggest that they (gasp!) quit on him, at least in part. That is somewhat shocking to me. That discipline and effort piece is debated all the time but most would likely conclude that to be Bill's greatest strength - he gets the most from his players.

Couple that with the possibility that Parcells is too in love with some of his guys from the past and I am now amongst those who think its fair to at least ask whether Bill can get it done.

First preseason game aside, if we don't see VERY marked improvement from this team in 2005 and at least close the year as a team most experts (whoever they or we are) agree will be a force to be reckoned with in 2006, then I have to start wondering if there aren't some better options than BP. I won't give a record because that can be so deceiving based upon injuries and when things gel but undeniably significant progress must be evident in 2005 IMO.

Curious to hear your and other sane party's thoughts too.

[Hostile]

Hos are you talking about Crayton that has a Cannon? If you are I remember reading about him having a great arm while looking up something in the archive a few weeks back.

And when I was at camp he was warming up with the Qb's and seemed to have nice spiral. I think we have finally found that late round gem at WR we have been looking for.

How did Copper look, I heard his name called a few times on the radio broadcast.

Thanks again Hos!:bow:Yes, Crayton was playing catch while warming and he would throw the ball back. He has a good arm.

Copper had a really good catch in the 4th. Quincy Morgan impressed me too.

Our top 5 WRs really have some talent to offer this team. IMO, Crayton was the most impressive of all of them because he simply goes 100 MPH on every play.

[Hostile]

While at camp, Cali and his son were throwing the ball around and Cali, said "Just call me newspaper because I cover everbody." It dawned on them that it would be a great nickname for Newman.

He told Newman about it, and he loved the idea.Oops, wish I had seen this before explaining it too.

Man, we got to do that again.

[RCowboyFan]

Wow. Thank you very much. Very nice of you to say that.

I do agree with Coco2, hard to beleive you were football player in college, not sure if you would say sorry to hit you bro, if you hit someone on football field :p:

Anyway, I do think you are way too niece than need be sometimes :D

[Hostile]

Thanks for the great player evaluation. Unable to watch the telecast, I had to rely heavily on what I read on this board, which was still very informative.

Glad you got a chance to watch first-hand and provide a great summary. After reading your post, it appears all is not lost. So after last night, who stood out most on offense and defense?

I'm starting to get concerned with right tackle. If we can't lock that down, we're in deep doo-doo.On defense I would have to say it was a toss up between Al Singelton and Bradie James as to who really was on their A Game. Glover is just a bull too.

If I am being honest though, I gotta give Newman the nod. If he plays like that all season, he will be an All Pro. Henry was impressive as well. Our secondary was great.

BTW, forgot to mention much about Canty. That is one tall drink of water. He has tree trunks for legs. You can tell when the game slows down for him he will give people fits.

On offense it was obvious that Witten is in a league by himself. He's just so fluid in every aspect of the game.

Tyson Thompson and Crayton would battle for 2nd, but Witten was by himself.

[Hostile]

Great read, Hos. Excellent recaps from you and BlindZebra.

You know, I didn't think Romo had lack of zip as much as Henson has the cannon, but I guess seeing live you would notice it better.

Either way, I do think, Romo might be perfect fit for WCO. He might excel in it. Either way, from early and way premature evaluations, I would prefer him over Bledsoe though. Lets hope those are way too premature and Bledsoe proves me and several of us wrong.I would take Bledsoe over Romo any day of the week even as bad as he looked. I'm really not joking. Romo has nowhere close to the velocity an NFL QB needs. I loved his accuracy, but I was simply not at all impressed with his arm. Perhaps he kept it shelved for some reason, but if he did then he did it in warmups too.

[Hostile]

Thank you, TH, I could have taken the reality if our receivers not being able to separate if it were so, but you know from the living room, you just can't see an entire route, and often not even the start of it.

One more couch potato observation, other folks need to get your attention...
but TH there was one player on first team D absolutely wowed me.

O! Henry.

Geez, but was he ever around that ball...even in a d formation often ill suited to the offensive play.

That man's a player.I already love this kid. He's nowhere near Newman as far as pure skills, but he plays every play hard. Not a doubt in my mind he is a much better tackler. He really punishes the WR when he wraps up. I loved the kid.

[Banned_n_austin]

BTW, I didn't say this in my analysis but he throws better than Romo. Kid has a gun. No joke.


:lmao:

[Wolverine]

Hey Hos. Good post. After last night I have my faith back in Henson. I think he played good to. I know the Romo fans in here are hype about how he played and he did play good. But his lack of zip is a concern. At least he is accurate.

Henson made some throws that Romo never could make or never will. But then Henson has the arm to make throws very few QBs can make anyways. People will say Henson only played against 3rd team players but that is just lame. Here is why.

Even 3rd string players are much more at NFL speed then anything Henson will see in practice. Henson did better in the real thing then in practice. That is real good. Maybe now things slow down for Henson and he really takes off.

Henson also had 3rd stringers on his side to.

IMO is Romo had to play when Henson did Romo would not have moved the offense as good. He could have never made those throws Henson did.

[Banned_n_austin]

Just search for banned's last few posts. ITs funny, he so quickly dismisses henson as ok and goes on and on about romo's moxie and how he was having fun out there...I think he is doing it on purpose to stir the ol' pot.

:rolleyes:

We'll see who's "stirring the pot" when the pecking order is officially announced ...

It's about perspective ...

[RCowboyFan]

I would take Bledsoe over Romo any day of the week even as bad as he looked. I'm really not joking. Romo has nowhere close to the velocity an NFL QB needs. I loved his accuracy, but I was simply not at all impressed with his arm. Perhaps he kept it shelved for some reason, but if he did then he did it in warmups too.

Damn, coming from you that is Bad. Since I know you were not for Bledsoe either. when he was signed. Next time I go to the game ( which will be the triplets induction game), I got watch Romo closely if I get in time for warmups.

Now having said that, as bad as I think Bledsoe would be, he should be the starting QB this year, at least start of season. But if it gets to be like Vinny type performance, I hope BP makes the change at least this time around. I doubt he will bench Bledsoe that easily, but we shall see.

[Banned_n_austin]

Hos, Romo didn't make any big throws to judge his velocity off of ... you were there ... I know ... but he didn't make any long passes ...

And I'm transparent ... :rolleyes:

[Hostile]

Hos,

I'm gonna give you 1 question. Its frankly much bigger than the preseason game you attended.

Can Parcells really get this team back to elite status?

His first year was impressive enough. 10-6 with admittedly some parts missing. Year 2 was a major step back. Easy to forgive if he can quickly regroup. The 2005 offseason looked like a bonanza with the draft and FA's but...

I know its utter foolishness to overreact to last nights game but despite the very good eye for talent and character that I think Parcells possesses I've recently read reports that even Parcells felt last years team did not compete. It seemed to suggest that they (gasp!) quit on him, at least in part. That is somewhat shocking to me. That discipline and effort piece is debated all the time but most would likely conclude that to be Bill's greatest strength - he gets the most from his players.

Couple that with the possibility that Parcells is too in love with some of his guys from the past and I am now amongst those who think its fair to at least ask whether Bill can get it done.

First preseason game aside, if we don't see VERY marked improvement from this team in 2005 and at least close the year as a team most experts (whoever they or we are) agree will be a force to be reckoned with in 2006, then I have to start wondering if there aren't some better options than BP. I won't give a record because that can be so deceiving based upon injuries and when things gel but undeniably significant progress must be evident in 2005 IMO.

Curious to hear your and other sane party's thoughts too.Let me put it this way and give the answer to this question to someone who is so much more reliable than I am.

Per Brad Sham, whom I think is one of the great football minds as far as writers that there is. He said, "there is a Super Bowl feel about the way this team practices."

Now, I was not impressed last night. The team was flat as a whole and the play calling was unimaginative. I am saying this purely from the standpoint of someone who was in the stands not in the meetings. It looked to me like Parcells pulled back on purpose last night for much of the game.

In other words, I think he got just what he wanted. A lackluster game to be angry this week in TC about. I think they were too comfortable with how things were going. I think he was secretly quite pleased last night. I say this for one reason only. On the sidelines he was not a raving lunatic, he was a teacher. It was strange to see him that calm. I bet it didn't last in the Locker room, bus, and flight.

[Hostile]

Hos, Romo didn't make any big throws to judge his velocity off of ... you were there ... I know ... but he didn't make any long passes ...

And I'm transparent ... :rolleyes:He made plenty of big throws in warmups Ben. Spin it any way you want to.

[Banned_n_austin]

He made plenty of big throws in warmups Ben. Spin it any way you want to.

:D

"Warm ups" ...



(And that's not spin)

[Juke99]

Yo Hostile....

Nice recap...thanks mucho.

Few questions...Did Ware look as confused in person as he did on the tube?

Did Burnett look as physically gifted as he appeared on TV? (I am psyched about the guy)

Did you notice any interaction between Parcells and Henson and if so, how would you classify their relationship from afar?

Did the Cardinal TD look like a busted play?

[DayOne1960]

Great stuff, Hos. I enjoyed reading that, and I wish I could have been there.

[Hostile]

I do agree with Coco2, hard to beleive you were football player in college, not sure if you would say sorry to hit you bro, if you hit someone on football field :p:

Anyway, I do think you are way too niece than need be sometimes :D:lmao2:

No, I came by my nickname honestly. I played very angry. Away from the field I enjoy being a nice guy. There are enough jerks in the world without my contribution.

[Banned_n_austin]

Yo Hostile....

Nice recap...thanks mucho.

Few questions...Did Ware look as confused in person as he did on the tube?

Did Burnett look as physically gifted as he appeared on TV? (I am psyched about the guy)

Did you notice any interaction between Parcells and Henson and if so, how would you classify their relationship from afar?

Did the Cardinal TD look like a busted play?


In contrast with my previous observations ... Parcells was taking his time and being patient with Henson ...

[Wolverine]

When comparing Romo to Henson. Who would you rather have throw the ball into tight coverage if it has to be done. I will go with Henson every time. Henson - big cannon arm. Romo - average at best arm.

[Juke99]

In contrast with my previous observations ... Parcells was taking his time and being patient with Henson ...


Well from what I saw on TV it was better than patient...in fact, after the last series, he said "Good job" to Henson...but I wanted to get a better sense of what the interaction was from someone who was there.

[Merlin]

Thompson is a keeper. The corners will not be a problem this year at all and they will allow for more blitzing and aggressiveness. The corners are our position of strength this year. TNew looks like a different player this year and he didnt bite on the receiver fake which was his pet peeve last year. Played it perfect.

Everyone needs to remember that this was the first game of the preseason. The regular season is at least three weeks away.

The offensive line as a unit sucked. Al Johnson while pulling got pushed back into the runner, thats horrible. There was a screen pass with three lineman out there and they all missed their blocks. Gurode was one of them. Barber still made 5 yards but it would have been nice if one of them made a block. Witten looks awesome and made Romo look much better that he actually was.

[Hostile]

:D

"Warm ups" ...



(And that's not spin)Like I said Ben. There was no pop on any throw that I saw. If he has a gun he was not showing it last night. Bledsoe and Henson did.

Call him Kojak because it was all lollypops.

[CoCo]

Let me put it this way and give the answer to this question to someone who is so much more reliable than I am.

Per Brad Sham, whom I think is one of the great football minds as far as writers that there is. He said, "there is a Super Bowl feel about the way this team practices."

Now, I was not impressed last night. The team was flat as a whole and the play calling was unimaginative. I am saying this purely from the standpoint of someone who was in the stands not in the meetings. It looked to me like Parcells pulled back on purpose last night for much of the game.

In other words, I think he got just what he wanted. A lackluster game to be angry this week in TC about. I think they were too comfortable with how things were going. I think he was secretly quite pleased last night. I say this for one reason only. On the sidelines he was not a raving lunatic, he was a teacher. It was strange to see him that calm. I bet it didn't last in the Locker room, bus, and flight.

Hos,

Wow! A Super Bowl feel? That is indeed heady talk coming from Sham. I do respect his opinion though and don't imagine he throws those words around lightly.

I hope your are correct in some of your speculations about last night. Though I usually dismiss those kinds of theories I think with Parcells in a preseason opener it is entirely plausible.

Frankly I was one of those who saw Bledsoe and Vinnie as mostly interchangeable. Vinnie's weakness IMO was not his age or lack of mobility. Rather, he seemed to force a lot of stuff. But how much of that was because he had to make up for team shortcomings like a totally bland running game when Julius was out and then the loss of Glenn?

So am I excited to now have Bledsoe? Well I was hopeful since Bill saw him as an upgrade but last nights report is not encouraging. I only hope that if Bledsoe becomes an impediment that we have a superior option sitting behind him and that Bill isn't married to sentiment.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

[blindzebra]

Hos,

I'm gonna give you 1 question. Its frankly much bigger than the preseason game you attended.

Can Parcells really get this team back to elite status?

His first year was impressive enough. 10-6 with admittedly some parts missing. Year 2 was a major step back. Easy to forgive if he can quickly regroup. The 2005 offseason looked like a bonanza with the draft and FA's but...

I know its utter foolishness to overreact to last nights game but despite the very good eye for talent and character that I think Parcells possesses I've recently read reports that even Parcells felt last years team did not compete. It seemed to suggest that they (gasp!) quit on him, at least in part. That is somewhat shocking to me. That discipline and effort piece is debated all the time but most would likely conclude that to be Bill's greatest strength - he gets the most from his players.

Couple that with the possibility that Parcells is too in love with some of his guys from the past and I am now amongst those who think its fair to at least ask whether Bill can get it done.

First preseason game aside, if we don't see VERY marked improvement from this team in 2005 and at least close the year as a team most experts (whoever they or we are) agree will be a force to be reckoned with in 2006, then I have to start wondering if there aren't some better options than BP. I won't give a record because that can be so deceiving based upon injuries and when things gel but undeniably significant progress must be evident in 2005 IMO.

Curious to hear your and other sane party's thoughts too.

I'll give you my impressions of what I saw and where it might lead.

We have more depth on defense, and it's better then I thought it would be. Keep in mind this was without Ferguson and Spears too.

We are going to have some tough calls to make come cut time. I will be surprised if Pepper does not land a spot taking Carson's place. Van Hoy held up pretty well when he was out there and will probably be a good PS player.

I was impressed by Fowler a lot. I was wrong about James, he looks like he's turned the corner. Shanle did pretty good. Singleton is going no place. Dat was pretty good. Ware and Burnett looked better than they played.

Beriault is our best safety not named Roy. Davis was out of position several times, Scott could have had a pick but was too slow reacting, Reese showed zip.

Our top 3 corners might be among the best in the league, there is a big ? after that though.

If they stay healthy and gel, we could be pretty good on defense and possibly very good after the bye week.

Offensively, we have talent and depth at RB and TE. Which is going to lead to really tough cuts.

The only tackle we have I'm sure about is Adams, and that is scary.

Guard looks better, because Peterman had both good and bad moments.

None of the centers played very well. Hos, Adbutcher and I wondered how stable Johnson's knee is.

We will have some tough choices at 3-5/6 at WR. Morgan and Crayton are close and Copper, Crowder, and Z. Smith all played well. I'd give Crayton the edge for #3, and that 5th spot is gonna be a dog fight.

Bledsoe scares the hell out of me.

Henson and Romo both read and reacted quicker.

Once Henson gets comfortable, there is no doubt who will win out, IMO.

The question is when will he reach that level?

To sum up, if the OL does not play a lot better than they showed last night, Bledsoe will kill any chance we have.

[Alexander]

In other words, I think he got just what he wanted. A lackluster game to be angry this week in TC about. I think they were too comfortable with how things were going. I think he was secretly quite pleased last night. I say this for one reason only. On the sidelines he was not a raving lunatic, he was a teacher. It was strange to see him that calm. I bet it didn't last in the Locker room, bus, and flight.

I hope you are right.

I don't subscribe that he put these players in a position to look average, but that does make me feel better if so.

[Alexander]

Singleton is going no place.

Just right back to the roster. And starting until Burnett is ready. Just as he is supposed to do.

[Fletch]

Great recap Hos. Thanks. I too was unimpressed with Bledsoe. And I too noticed he was pushing the ball.

But I will not put too much stock into the first preseason game. I'd rather lose all 4 of them if that means we can stay healthy and win when they start to count. It's all about knocking the rust off.

Let's all remember that two years ago, the year we made the playoffs by going 10-6, we lost to Arizona, in AZ, 13-0. And the game was awful. I saw more from this one than I did that game two years ago.

[RCowboyFan]

I hope you are right.

I don't subscribe that he put these players in a position to look average, but that does make me feel better if so.

Hm... I don't think is purposefully puting them in a position to look average, vs not planning and let them show talent etc. I.e. not scheming to bring best out them, vs Let them play plain vanilla and them seeing whats the competion in NFL is about etc.

At least thats the impression I have. Seems like AZ was lot more game planning than Cowboys anyway.

[Hostile]

Yo Hostile....

Nice recap...thanks mucho.

Few questions...Did Ware look as confused in person as he did on the tube?

Did Burnett look as physically gifted as he appeared on TV? (I am psyched about the guy)

Did you notice any interaction between Parcells and Henson and if so, how would you classify their relationship from afar?

Did the Cardinal TD look like a busted play?No, Ware did not look confused but he did look tentative in coverage. The Cardinals knew he would be coming and they double teamed him quite a bit.

Burnett looks like a Greek God. He doesn't just tackle, he drives right through the tackle. He's going to be a starter very soon. Born to play football.

Yes, Parcells and Henson talked a lot. Parcells sought him out on the sidelines several times and he talked to him as opposed to yelling. Thoughts of a rocky relationship there are off base.

I think Warner was just on his game. It shouldn't have scored but the CB fell down and no one touched the WR while he was on the ground.

[BillsFan]

I did spend some time in your chat room last night and the nicknames are already starting for Bledsoe. Buffalo fans favorites I'd say are "Deadslow" and "The Tin Man".


Well hopefully he looks better in the next game.

[blindzebra]

Hm... I don't think is purposefully puting them in a position to look average, vs not planning and let them show talent etc. I.e. not scheming to bring best out them, vs Let them play plain vanilla and them seeing whats the competion in NFL is about etc.

At least thats the impression I have. Seems like AZ was lot more game planning than Cowboys anyway.

Green said in his PC early this week that they were starting their game plan for Dallas. The Cardinals approached this more like a regular season game.

[Kilyin]

How was Beriault's knee during the game? Was he favoring it? If he can overcome that injury he'll prob end up as the FS.

[Alexander]

No, Ware did not look confused but he did look tentative in coverage. The Cardinals knew he would be coming and they double teamed him quite a bit.

I would expect him to be tentative in coverage. He has rarely been asked to do that.

Burnett looks like a Greek God. He doesn't just tackle, he drives right through the tackle. He's going to be a starter very soon. Born to play football.

I like his attitude the best. He just acts like a leader.

Yes, Parcells and Henson talked a lot. Parcells sought him out on the sidelines several times and he talked to him as opposed to yelling. Thoughts of a rocky relationship there are off base.

I am sure it will be misconstrued. As always.

I think Warner was just on his game. It shouldn't have scored but the CB fell down and no one touched the WR while he was on the ground.

Warner played with conviction.

I just wish Bledsoe did.

[blindzebra]

Yo Hostile....

Nice recap...thanks mucho.

Few questions...Did Ware look as confused in person as he did on the tube?

Did Burnett look as physically gifted as he appeared on TV? (I am psyched about the guy)

Did you notice any interaction between Parcells and Henson and if so, how would you classify their relationship from afar?

Did the Cardinal TD look like a busted play?

Ware played a lot too, and he wore down.

Burnett looks bigger than the rest of our LBs.

Parcells put his arm around Henson before he sent him out there on the 2nd FG drive. He spoke calmly to him the entire time.

At the 2 minute warning he grabbed him by the shoulder again talking calmly Henson nodded and Parcells gave him a little hit on the shoulder pad.

After the completion to put us back in FG range for the last kick. Payton seemed really animated talking to Henson, then he stopped, pushed in on his head set, said something else and both he and Henson busted out laughing.


The TD was a fluke, Warner was trying to throw to the TE underneath.

[BigDFan5]

Ware played a lot too, and he wore down.

Burnett looks bigger than the rest of our LBs.

Parcells put his arm around Henson before he sent him out there on the 2nd FG drive. He spoke calmly to him the entire time.

At the 2 minute warning he grabbed him by the shoulder again talking calmly Henson nodded and Parcells gave him a little hit on the shoulder pad.

After the completion to put us back in FG range for the last kick. Payton seemed really animated talking to Henson, then he stopped, pushed in on his head set, said something else and both he and Henson busted out laughing.





You know what that means? This weeks agenda "Parcells has given up on Henson, it was obvious he resigned himself to the fact Henson sucked when he didnt get animated"

[Hostile]

How was Beriault's knee during the game? Was he favoring it? If he can overcome that injury he'll prob end up as the FS.I didn't see him hesitate at all. On kick coverage as a wedge buster he was full speed ahead and made a great stop.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Good stuff Hos, glad you & the guys had a good game dispite the loss...

I agree, Polite is our new FB...

Glad to see people coming around to Bradie James, the guy will hurt people this year!
I also think Fowler is going to make a impact some way, some how...

BZ, good points about the Cards game planning us...The loss is No biggie in the large scheme of things...

This is a young team with just enough vets sprinkled in...It will take time to gell & gain confidence in playing together...

Just as long as were ready by the first game that matters...!
Keep the faith fella's, I still think its going to be a VERY special year!

[Juke99]

Ware played a lot too, and he wore down.

Burnett looks bigger than the rest of our LBs.

Parcells put his arm around Henson before he sent him out there on the 2nd FG drive. He spoke calmly to him the entire time.

At the 2 minute warning he grabbed him by the shoulder again talking calmly Henson nodded and Parcells gave him a little hit on the shoulder pad.

After the completion to put us back in FG range for the last kick. Payton seemed really animated talking to Henson, then he stopped, pushed in on his head set, said something else and both he and Henson busted out laughing.


The TD was a fluke, Warner was trying to throw to the TE underneath.


Thank you...

:)

[Hostile]

I like his attitude the best. He just acts like a leader.He sure as heck does. He was fun to watch.

[Cbz40]

I didn't see him hesitate at all. On kick coverage as a wedge buster he was full speed ahead and made a great stop.


Noticed Ratliff in the game a few times......any observation on this kid.

[Kilyin]

I didn't see him hesitate at all. On kick coverage as a wedge buster he was full speed ahead and made a great stop.

He had the only interception too, right? Was that a tip or did he snatch it out the air?

[BigDFan5]

He had the only interception too, right? Was that a tip or did he snatch it out the air?


It was on a hailmary

[Hostile]

Noticed Ratliff in the game a few times......any observation on this kid.Yes, he is wide across the shoulders and does not take bad angles at all. He will be a player.

[Kilyin]

How many times did you cuss Tucker during the 3rd and 50?

[MrMom]

Thanks for your analysis Hostile. Much appreciated.

I have to disagaree with some of your views. Though I wasn't at the game, you can still get a good feel for a teams performance by watching them on the tube, so ... Bledsoe really didn't have much time in the pocket. The line really played below par as a whole, so I can't completely blame his performance solely on him. The Cowboys couldn't run the ball , so the defensive line was able to pin back their ears and rush Bledsoe. As far as Romo not being able to throw the long ball or throw it with authority, I think he can, and I'm basing this on last years performance. I think he has a good arm -- not a great one, but a good one. It's all relative. The question should be, "Does he have a weak arm, or just not a super strong arm?" I don't think he's a weak-armed quaterback. And as for Henson, I think he did a good job: he was under control, made good decisions, showed some accuracy, and -- thank God -- didn't have that deer in the headlights stare.

I'm not a fan of any of the Cowboy's quarterbacks yet. Whoever wins the starting job will have my hopes and support, but he's gonna have to perform a few comebacks, have a few excellent games, and get us to the playoffs, and hopefully beyond, before I become a fan. In other words, their gonna have to earn my respect and loyalty. That's how it should be ... IMHO. :)

[Hostile]

How many times did you cuss Tucker during the 3rd and 50?I will be repenting for a long time.

[Hostile]

Thanks for your analysis Hostile. Much appreciated.

I have to disagaree with some of your views. Though I wasn't at the game, you can still get a good feel for a teams performance by watching them on the tube, so ... Bledsoe really didn't have much time in the pocket. The line really played below par as a whole, so I can't completely blame his performance solely on him. The Cowboys couldn't run the ball , so the defensive line was able to pin back their ears and rush Bledsoe. As far as Romo not being able to throw the long ball or throw it with authority, I think he can, and I'm basing this on last years performance. I think he has a good arm -- not a great one, but a good one. It's all relative. The question should be, "Does he have a weak arm, or just not a super strong arm?" I don't think he's a weak-armed quaterback. And as for Henson, I think he did a good job: he was under control, made good decisions, showed some accuracy, and -- thank God -- didn't have that deer in the headlights stare.

I'm not a fan of any of the Cowboy's quarterbacks yet. Whoever wins the starting job will have my hopes and support, but he's gonna have to perform a few comebacks, have a few excellent games, and get us to the playoffs, and hopefully beyond, before I become a fan. In other words, their gonna have to earn my respect and loyalty. That's how it should be ... IMHO. :)I'm not saying he had a lot of time. But he did have more than Romo or Henson.

[dbair1967]

He had the only interception too, right? Was that a tip or did he snatch it out the air?

underthrown hail mary pass

David

[davidyee]

That is 100% true BP. These people were as good a group of people as I have ever had the privilege to meet in my life. We have some great people as fans of this team. I'd get together for a game with these guys and their families any time and feel damned privileged to be around them again.

...like you are as nice a guy as anyone would ever be. I've got to find a way to get out of Canada and attend either a game or TC.

[dbair1967]

I hope you are right.

I don't subscribe that he put these players in a position to look average, but that does make me feel better if so.

I did hear some postgame comments that Parcells and Zimmer decided to stick more in the 3-4 rather than match up against the Cards 3 WR base sets for the purpose of getting players more comfortable with the scheme...dont know how true it is until I watch Tivo but thats what I heard Spags say

David

[Hostile]

...like you are as nice a guy as anyone would ever be. I've got to find a way to get out of Canada and attend either a game or TC.Thanks David. If you read about me somewhere else my saying this was hideous. (That's the nicest way I can put it.)

[Jimz31]

About Henson and Romo....

Listening to Aikman during the game last night, it couldn't be more opposite than what you said in your post.

Personally, I don't think that our "franchise" QB is even on our roster at this point.

Just my take on the post taken with what Aikman was saying last night.

[Hostile]

About Henson and Romo....

Listening to Aikman during the game last night, it couldn't be more opposite than what you said in your post.

Personally, I don't think that our "franchise" QB is even on our roster at this point.

Just my take on the post taken with what Aikman was saying last night.I couldn't hear Aikman last night so there is no way I can respond one way or the other.

[davidyee]

Oops, wish I had seen this before explaining it too.

Man, we got to do that again.

...before we anoint him with any declarations we should let him prove it on the field this year. With that said I am rooting for him to make last year a faded memory.

[davidyee]

On defense I would have to say it was a toss up between Al Singelton and Bradie James as to who really was on their A Game.

...as some believe that Singleton will become bench material I can't believe that BP will not keep as many vets in this defence to ease the transition.

[Jimz31]

I couldn't hear Aikman last night so there is no way I can respond one way or the other.

No biggie....I understand that.

Right now, I am just pretty convinced that the starter of the future isn't on this team.

The whole Romo/Henson/Bledsoe/insert name here diatribe is getting old.

IMO, we need to just draft a QB and start anew.....and draft one that was good in college....not just a run-of-the-mill type guy.

[DayOne1960]

IMO, we need to just draft a QB and start anew.....and draft one that was good in college....not just a run-of-the-mill type guy.


Romo was very good in college, albeit Div II, I believe. Henson was also good in college.

[Hostile]

No biggie....I understand that.

Right now, I am just pretty convinced that the starter of the future isn't on this team.

The whole Romo/Henson/Bledsoe/insert name here diatribe is getting old.

IMO, we need to just draft a QB and start anew.....and draft one that was good in college....not just a run-of-the-mill type guy.I disagree. No big deal.

[davidyee]

Let me put it this way and give the answer to this question to someone who is so much more reliable than I am.

Per Brad Sham, whom I think is one of the great football minds as far as writers that there is. He said, "there is a Super Bowl feel about the way this team practices."

Now, I was not impressed last night. The team was flat as a whole and the play calling was unimaginative. I am saying this purely from the standpoint of someone who was in the stands not in the meetings. It looked to me like Parcells pulled back on purpose last night for much of the game.

In other words, I think he got just what he wanted. A lackluster game to be angry this week in TC about. I think they were too comfortable with how things were going. I think he was secretly quite pleased last night. I say this for one reason only. On the sidelines he was not a raving lunatic, he was a teacher. It was strange to see him that calm. I bet it didn't last in the Locker room, bus, and flight.

...post that we need to really focus on the third game of preseason to get a feel for what our final roster looks like and what the player's look like with their game faces on.

Hos, will you be able to attend that game? It would be great to get another view of the team in contrast to this one.

[davidyee]

Like I said Ben. There was no pop on any throw that I saw. If he has a gun he was not showing it last night. Bledsoe and Henson did.

Call him Kojak because it was all lollypops.

...anything that would open the door for another QB to join the team?

[Banned_n_austin]

Well from what I saw on TV it was better than patient...in fact, after the last series, he said "Good job" to Henson...but I wanted to get a better sense of what the interaction was from someone who was there.

Did you see him say "you stink" to Torrin Tucker?

[Hostile]

...post that we need to really focus on the third game of preseason to get a feel for what our final roster looks like and what the player's look like with their game faces on.

Hos, will you be able to attend that game? It would be great to get another view of the team in contrast to this one.Unfortunately no I won't be able to. I am hopeful that we have reports from eyewitnesses to each game we play this season.

[Tuna Helper]

Thanks for the excellent update Hostile.

[Hostile]

...anything that would open the door for another QB to join the team?If it were up to me, yes. I'd go in another direction. It's not personal. I haven't bashed him at all this off season even though I am firmly on Henson's bandwagon. I liked his accuracy but he does not have a big league arm.

[DayOne1960]

Hostile.. I am really pulling for Crayton. Did he look legit to you in person? I know you mentioned him, but does the comparison to Hines Ward stand up?

[Hostile]

Hostile.. I am really pulling for Crayton. Did he look legit to you in person? I know you mentioned him, but does the comparison to Hines Ward stand up?I liked him but no. Hines Ward is a truly underated star in this league. I think Crayton is more elusive and he will get better. That is a very lofty goal. I'd love it if he can achieve it.

[Fletch]

I liked him but no. Hines Ward is a truly underated star in this league. I think Crayton is more elusive and he will get better. That is a very lofty goal. I'd love it if he can achieve it.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Crayton reminds me of a younger Rod Smith of the Denver Broncos.

[Hostile]

I forgot to mention that Zuriel Smith played very well last night. He's noticably bigger than previous years and played hard.

[junk]

I'll start with Dale. He is every bit as impressive in person as he is in posts. There is not a doubt in the world that he is a genuine good guy. I did something really stupid when I went to pick him up at the team hotel. I left my camera in the car. I got to meet Roy Williams, Marcus Spears, and Jason Witten. Could have had pics too. Duh.


I read this earlier and didn't think anything of it, but didn't Spears stay in Oxnard. I thought that was what the media reported.

[Hostile]

I read this earlier and didn't think anything of it, but didn't Spears stay in Oxnard. I thought that was what the media reported.If it wasn't him it was someone who looks an awful lot like him. I assumed it was him. People behind me were screaming "Marcus." I was busy wishing Roy Williams well. I could be wrong.

[junk]

If it wasn't him it was someone who looks an awful lot like him. I assumed it was him. People behind me were screaming "Marcus." I was busy wishing Roy Williams well. I could be wrong.

I was just curious. Media has been wrong in the past.

[LaTunaNostra]

If it wasn't him it was someone who looks an awful lot like him. I assumed it was him. People behind me were screaming "Marcus." I was busy wishing Roy Williams well. I could be wrong.
Prolly yelling Demarcus, or what they think Ware's name is.

In other words, even worse, you really missed out on the next LT, TH. :D

[Hostile]

I was just curious. Media has been wrong in the past.I very well could be wrong Junk. It was Roy with him. I wasn't focused on who Roy was with. I took the word of the people behind me. Truthfully I didn't get that good a look at him. I talked to Roy and he talked back. If I had taken my camea we'd know for sure, but like I said, it was int he car. Dale laughed at me for that one.

BTW, he didn't mention Marcus not being there to me. Not that it means it was him. I truthfully don't know.

[azcowboy]

Geez hostile can you start a thread or what? excellent recap of the game and the fun times. Glad you made it back safe and i got to meet you and BZ and Adbutcher....man he is a HUGE man!! good to have fans like you 2 on the good side!! Thanks to this board (reality) i now know i can walk outside and yell "blindzebra" and he could probably hear me. great to meet all ya guys and glad we could do it, hopefully again for a playoff game if dreams really do come true!!
Sorry we couldnt hook up for the Newhouse meet n greet, he was super cool!! I'm gonna drop my pics in the preseason game one thread. Once again real cool to see that 2 different boards can come together as cowboys fans and have a blast!!
see ya for the ASU/u of a game..oh yeah there is a special pic in my pics for you buddy!! :laugh2:

[Hostile]

Prolly yelling Demarcus, or what they think Ware's name is.

In other words, even worse, you really missed out on the next LT, TH. :DI turned as asked the others there who it was. They said Marcus, not Demarcus.

[Hostile]

Geez hostile can you start a thread or what? excellent recap of the game and the fun times. Glad you made it back safe and i got to meet you and BZ and Adbutcher....man he is a HUGE man!! good to have fans like you 2 on the good side!! Thanks to this board (reality) i now know i can walk outside and yell "blindzebra" and he could probably hear me. great to meet all ya guys and glad we could do it, hopefully again for a playoff game if dreams really do come true!!
Sorry we couldnt hook up for the Newhouse meet n greet, he was super cool!! I'm gonna drop my pics in the preseason game one thread. Once again real cool to see that 2 different boards can come together as cowboys fans and have a blast!!
see ya for the ASU/u of a game..oh yeah there is a special pic in my pics for you buddy!! :laugh2:What is up man?

Remember that other forum we talked about at the Tailgate? You wouldn't believe their reaction to my post. Penis envy.

:grin:

[smashmouth]

I do NOT put this on our OL because they gave him time. Yes, AZ's D was great last night, but he had 4 to 5 seconds on many throws. I doubt Romo or Henson had that on more than 1 or 2 apiece. On one of Henson's he had that time because of a scramble more than the OL.
I'm fairly new to this board but you are good peeps for sure and thanks for what you do for this forum.

I also counted the time D.Bledsoe had to throw the ball VS. everyone else, and he had plenty of time. It amazes me that someone who has been in the league that long could still not understand that he can't stay back there all day.

Decide what you want to do and do it please! Anyways, great job.

[azcowboy]

What is up man?

Remember that other forum we talked about at the Tailgate? You wouldn't believe their reaction to my post. Penis envy.

:grin:

well luckily for me, my computer has a crap blocker and i cant see that site or the deaskins site!!
I have no clue after meeting you and talkin to you on here. Why someone would have such hate for you, must be miserable in their own lives.

[Hostile]

I'm fairly new to this board but you are good peeps for sure and thanks for what you do for this forum.

I also counted the time D.Bledsoe had to throw the ball VS. everyone else, and he had plenty of time. It amazes me that someone who has been in the league that long could still not understand that he can't stay back there all day.

Decide what you want to do and do it please! Anyways, great job.Thank you.

[RCowboyFan]

About Henson and Romo....

Listening to Aikman during the game last night, it couldn't be more opposite than what you said in your post.

Personally, I don't think that our "franchise" QB is even on our roster at this point.

Just my take on the post taken with what Aikman was saying last night.

Well if you heard Aikman last year, he was saying the same thing. He is of belief that if someone is was worth being a Franchise QB, BP would have started them instead of Vinny. Aikman is of the thinking you don't wait to develop QBs and that you throw them to wolves as soon as possible, considering most other franchises do that, from what I gather by his comments. BP is opposite of that and probably one of the last few NFL coaches who think that way seems like.

From hearing Aikman or Irvin for that matter, I really doubt they have any insight on QB situation of Cowboys. Its much like Pat Summerall or any other Media so called Friend's of BP saying what they believe or interpreting BP.

From three years of BP analyzing, this much is certain, any media person who says he knows what BP is thinking or Cowboys organization is thinking of in terms of QB or any other player, I really take it with a grain of salt.

[Hostile]

Well if you heard Aikman last year, he was saying the same thing. He is of belief that if someone is was worth being a Franchise QB, BP would have started them instead of Vinny. Aikman is of the thinking you don't wait to develop QBs and that you throw them to wolves as soon as possible, considering most other franchises do that, from what I gather by his comments. BP is opposite of that and probably one of the last few NFL coaches who think that way seems like.

From hearing Aikman or Irvin for that matter, I really doubt they have any insight on QB situation of Cowboys. Its much like Pat Summerall or any other Media so called Friend's of BP saying what they believe or interpreting BP.

From three years of BP analyzing, this much is certain, any media person who says he knows what BP is thinking or Cowboys organization is thinking of in terms of QB or any other player, I really take it with a grain of salt.I am not trying to slight Aikman on this, but he never played for Parcells so I don't know what insight he could have. I respect his opinions and think he is one of the best color guys there is. I'd be shocked to hear him bag on Henson if that is indeed what he did. I didn't hear it.

[RCowboyFan]

I am not trying to slight Aikman on this, but he never played for Parcells so I don't know what insight he could have. I respect his opinions and think he is one of the best color guys there is. I'd be shocked to hear him bag on Henson if that is indeed what he did. I didn't hear it.

Hos, I didn't hear his comments on this game either. But he was regular on The Ticket here in Dallas, every thursday during season.

But from what I can gather listening to him, he thinks BP doesn't think Henson or Romo are Franchise QBs. Its not his own opinion per se. He thinks if BP thought of them being worthy of Franchise type QB or good QB, he would have started them instead of Vinny.

His just doesn't get the point of starting Vinny instead. At least thats the gist of his statements. As far as I know, he has only been to One practice this year, that too before this game. It could be, maybe he has more insight and that Jerry opened up to him etc.

Now other than that, I don't know Aikman knows too much about Henson or Romo or Bledsoe other than what he has seen in the game yesterday or one practice. One more thing I will add, I do notice from Aikman vs Irvin about Cowboys comments, Aikman seems more cautious about public comments on Cowboys. Irvin is more of a public homer :D

Remember Aikman was impressed with Hutch, when he played against Jagaurs during 2002 season, and thought he had a chance to be a good QB. I am not saying Aikman is not a good commentator etc., but he has limited view and no longer the Cowboys insider.

Anyway, thats my opinion, from hearing Aikman comments from last year though. It could have changed this year, so I could be wrong.

[Hostile]

Hos, I didn't hear his comments on this game either. But he was regular on The Ticket here in Dallas, every thursday during season.

But from what I can gather listening to him, he thinks BP doesn't think Henson or Romo are Franchise QBs. Its not his own opinion per se. He thinks if BP thought of them being worthy of Franchise type QB or good QB, he would have started them instead of Vinny.

His just doesn't get the point of starting Vinny instead. At least thats the gist of his statements. As far as I know, he has only been to One practice this year, that too before this game. It could be, maybe he has more insight and that Jerry opened up to him etc.

Now other than that, I don't know Aikman knows too much about Henson or Romo or Bledsoe other than what he has seen in the game yesterday or one practice. One more thing I will add, I do notice from Aikman vs Irvin about Cowboys comments, Aikman seems more cautious about public comments on Cowboys. Irvin is more of a public homer :D

Remember Aikman was impressed with Hutch, when he played against Jagaurs during 2002 season, and thought he had a chance to be a good QB. I am not saying Aikman is not a good commentator etc., but he has limited view and no longer the Cowboys insider.

Anyway, thats my opinion, from hearing Aikman comments from last year though. It could have changed this year, so I could be wrong.Thanks for the info.

[Jimz31]

I am not trying to slight Aikman on this, but he never played for Parcells so I don't know what insight he could have. I respect his opinions and think he is one of the best color guys there is. I'd be shocked to hear him bag on Henson if that is indeed what he did. I didn't hear it.

He never bagged on Henson....He DID say that Romo could be a quality STARTER in this league. He didn't say that he would be a stand-out QB or anything. He said he gets this from insiders at Valley ranch as well as watching him himself.

[Banned_n_austin]

Dale should tell the story if he is of the mind to at some point. Parcells said something to the team reporters that he asked be kept "off the record."

Polite runs hard, picks up blitzes and showed decent hands last night. I am more amped than ever for this kid.

BTW, described by one coach as "the smartest player on the team."


I like Polite too ... just don't know if we keep a FB ...

A-train on the bubble?

[Hostile]

He never bagged on Henson....He DID say that Romo could be a quality STARTER in this league. He didn't say that he would be a stand-out QB or anything. He said he gets this from insiders at Valley ranch as well as watching him himself.I disagree with Troy then. I don't see it. I'd mention comments relayed to me about the coach's opinions but why bother.

[Hostile]

I like Polite too ... just don't know if we keep a FB ...

A-train on the bubble?I think A-train is on the bus out of town.

Julius
Barber
Thompson

and

Polite

[Jimz31]

I disagree with Troy then. I don't see it. I'd mention comments relayed to me about the coach's opinions but why bother.

That's fine...you can disagree with him if you want. I'm just repeating what he said last night during the game.

Listen....I'm just looking for positives on both guys, not looking for anything negative like it seems alot of people are doing and concentrating on those.

[Banned_n_austin]

Like I said Ben. There was no pop on any throw that I saw. If he has a gun he was not showing it last night. Bledsoe and Henson did.

Call him Kojak because it was all lollypops.


Warm ups, Hos ... Warm ups ....

:picknose:

[Hostile]

That's fine...you can disagree with him if you want. I'm just repeating what he said last night during the game.

Listen....I'm just looking for positives on both guys, not looking for anything negative like it seems alot of people are doing and concentrating on those.You're damn right I am, but I didn't go to the game to look for good from Henson and bad from Romo. I'm just telling people what I saw. If that offends them then so be it.

[Banned_n_austin]

You're damn right I am, but I didn't go to the game to look for good from Henson and bad from Romo. I'm just telling people what I saw. If that offends them then so be it.


I think the offensive thing is that you're twisting, spinning and reaching for the assesment to be that Henson out performed Romo ...

And dismissing Romo's consistant, if nothing else, performance ...

And you're 'warm up' evaluation is also suspect for good reason ...

Not saying that you aren't entitled to your opinion ... just that it doesn't hold much water ... you're talking about warm ups ...

[Hostile]

I think the offensive thing is that you're twisting, spinning and reaching for the assesment to be that Henson out performed Romo ...

And dismissing Romo's consistant, if nothing else, performance ...

And you're 'warm up' evaluation is also suspect for good reason ...

Not saying that you aren't entitled to your opinion ... just that it doesn't hold much water ... you're talking about warm ups ...You didn't read the 1st post, or you totally ignored it. Everything said since then is expalined in it.

You're lost. Go back to the beginning, start there. Either you'll figure it our or you won't. I'm done explaining it to you and HH with the petty crap you guys want to mix in.

There's no spin. I said he (Romo) throws accurately and completed a lot of passes. I stand by everything else I said. (No arm)

I am not shocked by the reactions of you, HH and Nors. You've stuck your necks out pretty far. Pride is bitter. No big deal.

[DayOne1960]

Let's settle this in chat, guys.

:shoot2:

[Banned_n_austin]

You didn't read the 1st post, or you totally ignored it. Everything said since then is expalined in it.

You're lost. Go back to the beginning, start there. Either you'll figure it our or you won't. I'm done explaining it to you and HH with the petty crap you guys want to mix in.

There's no spin. I said he (Romo) throws accurately and completed a lot of passes. I stand by everything else I said. (No arm)

I am not shocked by the reactions of you, HH and Nors. You've stuck your necks out pretty far. Pride is bitter. No big deal.

Oh ... I read it, Hos. I love it when you posture yourself like this ...

What pride is bitter?

I'm now willing to give Henson a chance, but you say "don't worry" any more about Henson because you saw him complete 6 passes from the stands ...

And you tell me that Romo has a weak arm because you saw him WARM UP. :lmao:

I don't doubt that you went to the game ... I just doubt your ability to fairly assess the situation without your Henson homer glasses on ...

The backhanded stabs you take at Romo, who out performed Henson; and is a threat to his #2 spot ... shows that you clearly have an agenda and are giving us the spectator's view of an ostrich regarding Henson/Romo ...

All the other stuff in the "first post" is fine ... but there's no substance or objectivity in your QB assesment.

[InmanRoshi]

He never bagged on Henson....He DID say that Romo could be a quality STARTER in this league. He didn't say that he would be a stand-out QB or anything. He said he gets this from insiders at Valley ranch as well as watching him himself.

I listened to the radio broadcast, and that's pretty much what he said. He said Romo has the tools to start in this league. He was talking up Romo, not bashing Henson. And believe me, Aikman was not handing out praise liberally during the broadcast for anyone.

Here's also what he said in the FWST on Saturday after watching the QB's in practice this week.


"I like Tony, from what I have seen. If you didn't know his background and who he was, watching him throw the football you wouldn't know ... he was an undrafted quarterback. I think you would think he was a rather high draft pick just watching him throw the ball."

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/football/nfl/dallas_cowboys/12376058.htm

[Banned_n_austin]

I'll give you my impressions of what I saw and where it might lead.

We have more depth on defense, and it's better then I thought it would be. Keep in mind this was without Ferguson and Spears too.

We are going to have some tough calls to make come cut time. I will be surprised if Pepper does not land a spot taking Carson's place. Van Hoy held up pretty well when he was out there and will probably be a good PS player.

I was impressed by Fowler a lot. I was wrong about James, he looks like he's turned the corner. Shanle did pretty good. Singleton is going no place. Dat was pretty good. Ware and Burnett looked better than they played.

Beriault is our best safety not named Roy. Davis was out of position several times, Scott could have had a pick but was too slow reacting, Reese showed zip.

Our top 3 corners might be among the best in the league, there is a big ? after that though.

If they stay healthy and gel, we could be pretty good on defense and possibly very good after the bye week.

Offensively, we have talent and depth at RB and TE. Which is going to lead to really tough cuts.

The only tackle we have I'm sure about is Adams, and that is scary.

Guard looks better, because Peterman had both good and bad moments.

None of the centers played very well. Hos, Adbutcher and I wondered how stable Johnson's knee is.

We will have some tough choices at 3-5/6 at WR. Morgan and Crayton are close and Copper, Crowder, and Z. Smith all played well. I'd give Crayton the edge for #3, and that 5th spot is gonna be a dog fight.

Bledsoe scares the hell out of me.

Henson and Romo both read and reacted quicker.

Once Henson gets comfortable, there is no doubt who will win out, IMO.

The question is when will he reach that level?

To sum up, if the OL does not play a lot better than they showed last night, Bledsoe will kill any chance we have.

Now I can deal with this assesment ...

I particularly noticed Fowler and Shanle ... I like both of those players ...

A Henry is a bad mofo in run support too!

[Banned_n_austin]

About Henson and Romo....

Listening to Aikman during the game last night, it couldn't be more opposite than what you said in your post.

Personally, I don't think that our "franchise" QB is even on our roster at this point.

Just my take on the post taken with what Aikman was saying last night.


Yeah, I heard what Aikman was saying ... and let's just say I can entirely see where he is coming from and from what Hos is saying, I'd have to think he was in the nose bleed section (when I know he probably wasn't).

I'll take Aikman's word for it though ...

[Banned_n_austin]

If it were up to me, yes. I'd go in another direction. It's not personal. I haven't bashed him at all this off season even though I am firmly on Henson's bandwagon. I liked his accuracy but he does not have a big league arm.

:bang2:

[Banned_n_austin]

What is up man?

Remember that other forum we talked about at the Tailgate? You wouldn't believe their reaction to my post. Penis envy.

:grin:

Must be a fluffer thing ...

:laugh2:

You can only get those kind of reactions at fluffercentral ...

[Banned_n_austin]

He never bagged on Henson....He DID say that Romo could be a quality STARTER in this league. He didn't say that he would be a stand-out QB or anything. He said he gets this from insiders at Valley ranch as well as watching him himself.

(I know I'm doing it again, but I dont' care :D )

I think someone else was making comparisons of Romo to Warner ... not sure who though ...

[big dog cowboy]

I think A-train is on the bus out of town.

Julius
Barber
Thompson

and

Polite
If that is the direction we are going, start looking at RT's being cut in a couple of weeks and use A-train's money there.

[Banned_n_austin]

I think A-train is on the bus out of town.

Julius
Barber
Thompson

and

Polite


I can agree with you on that ...

[InmanRoshi]

(I know I'm doing it again, but I dont' care :D )

I think someone else was making comparisons of Romo to Warner ... not sure who though ...

Babe Laufenberg made it. He made the comparison, and said its because Romo always has his feet underneath him when he throws, and does a good job of checking down and finding his non-primary WR's. He said that's been the difference between Romo and Henson in this camp. Henson locks in on his primary WR.

[Nors]

Coyle and draftinsiders on Romo

They gave Henson a nice write up after he quit baseball....

$Live arm and ability to make all the throws
$Excellent accuracy and touch and timing to hit receivers in stride
$Has a very quick release
$Needs to work on deep ball
$Great at decision making, great progressions and delivers ball to the right receiver at the right time
$Makeup to be a NFL starting QB.
$Excellent NFL upside

[BigDFan5]

Coyle and draftinsiders on Romo

They gave Henson a nice write up after he quit baseball....

$Live arm and ability to make all the throws
$Excellent accuracy and touch and timing to hit receivers in stride
$Has a very quick release
$Needs to work on deep ball
$Great at decision making, great progressions and delivers ball to the right receiver at the right time
$Makeup to be a NFL starting QB.
$Excellent NFL upside



http://nfldraft.scout.com/2/92886.html

Heres on from NFLexperts

Pos:Smart, efficient quarterback with the skills to play at the next level. Patient in the pocket, buys time for receivers and scans the field, taking what the defense gives him. Quickly releases the pass and accurate on both the short or intermediate throws. Adequate long arm and leads receivers down the field. Sells the play action pass, senses pressure and steps up to avoid the rush. Displays good wherewithal and field leadership skills.



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[BigDFan5]

Coyle and draftinsiders on Romo

They gave Henson a nice write up after he quit baseball....

$Live arm and ability to make all the throws
$Excellent accuracy and touch and timing to hit receivers in stride
$Has a very quick release
$Needs to work on deep ball
$Great at decision making, great progressions and delivers ball to the right receiver at the right time
$Makeup to be a NFL starting QB.
$Excellent NFL upside

Link?

[Nors]

Link?


nope - thats a pay for scouting report.....

2003 yearbook volume XII

Page 8/9

I summarized very accurately.

[BigDFan5]

nope - thats a pay for scouting report.....

2003 yearbook volume XII

Page 8/9

I summarized very accurately.

yeah sure you did LOL

[MinnesotaCowboy]

Great posts, Hos. A few questions.....I have a friend in Longview, TX, who watched the game and came away with these observation. He said he never saw the Cowboys blitz once! Also stated that Cardinals in blitz mode almost continually....stated that Parcells was surprised with all the blitzing as this normally does not take place in first preseason game. Said offensive line had not prepared for blitzes. I can't confirm any sources for this info.....just wanted your input on this.

p.s. for all posters who wanted to know....Brad Sham & Troy Aikman broadcast game live on Kicks99Country. Very enjoyable.

[CaptainAmerica]

Babe Laufenberg made it. He made the comparison, and said its because Romo always has his feet underneath him when he throws, and does a good job of checking down and finding his non-primary WR's. He said that's been the difference between Romo and Henson in this camp. Henson locks in on his primary WR.

I am a Henson fan, but I have to agree with that analysis.

That being said, when you compare the two it's very easy to see that Henson has the superior physical talent and gives the organization the greater upside. Romo is now in his 3rd year after playing all through college. Henson is only entering his 2nd season after sitting out for 3 years. I'm sure it's the organization's hope that with time and reps Henson will come along and improve on those things that Babe mentioned.

[InmanRoshi]

I'm rooting for Henson too, and Romo, but I would say its not a given that Henson will automatically shake off that habit given playing time anymore than its a given that he can learn to hit a curveball given more at bats. Its what seperates the Peyton Mannings from the Jeff Georges. Does anyone know how well passes were distributed at Michigan during Henson's year as a starter?

[Hollywood Henderson]

BZ: Big of you to say you were wrong on James fella!

[Rush 2112]

Coyle and draftinsiders on Romo

They gave Henson a nice write up after he quit baseball....

$Live arm and ability to make all the throws
$Excellent accuracy and touch and timing to hit receivers in stride
$Has a very quick release
$Needs to work on deep ball
$Great at decision making, great progressions and delivers ball to the right receiver at the right time
$Makeup to be a NFL starting QB.
$Excellent NFL upside

Frank Coyle:
Offensive Tackles:
Adjusts Best - Jacob Rogers
Strongest - Jacob Rogers
Reminds you of - John Tait

Randy Starks:
Reminds you of - Corey Simon
1st round projection

Tatum Bell:
4th-5th round

Save your money!

[TheSkaven]

Ditto what everyone else in this thread said, great post Hos, thanks for the observations and wish I could have been there with you guys.

[Wimbo]

I am surprised you survived the evening... you know, with the sky falling & all. ;)

[Hostile]

Great posts, Hos. A few questions.....I have a friend in Longview, TX, who watched the game and came away with these observation. He said he never saw the Cowboys blitz once! Also stated that Cardinals in blitz mode almost continually....stated that Parcells was surprised with all the blitzing as this normally does not take place in first preseason game. Said offensive line had not prepared for blitzes. I can't confirm any sources for this info.....just wanted your input on this.

p.s. for all posters who wanted to know....Brad Sham & Troy Aikman broadcast game live on Kicks99Country. Very enjoyable.I didn't see us blitz either and yes they blitzed like their lives depended on it.

I loved their young LBs.

Karlos Dansby
Lance Mitchell
Darryl Blackstock

These guys will be tough for years. The Cards will surprise folks this year.

I think Denny wanted to send Jerry a message about passing on hiring him.

[Hostile]

I am surprised you survived the evening... you know, with the sky falling & all. ;)The Cards fans countered the falling sky with their pie eyed we just won the Super Bowl optimism.

No I'm not joking. This was their Super Bowl.

[CowboysFan02]

Hos, just watched Calico's vids, and I agree Crayton is the real deal, great hands and goes full speed the whole time.

Also agree on your assesment of the QB's, Both Romo and Henson looked good. Romo did not have the zip in his passes that Henson had. Romo lobbed them in there, albiet with great accuracy, but a lob nonetheless. I would agree with everyone in that the WCO is where Romo should be. Henson still needs some work but he is getting better, he needs to do alittle better checking down, but that could be due to teh poor protection he had.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Just a bump. I missed this thread and thought others who weren't reading as much yesterday might have too. Good observations Hos.

[Fla Cowpoke]

Great thread.

I asked Dale in chat if Romo didn't remind him of Jason Garrett. He agreed with me that it was a good comparison. I don't think Romo will be a long term starter....he is somewhat limited. But I think he can be a guy that runs an offense if your starter goes down for a few weeks and not lose games for you.

Henson on the other hand has all the tools. If Bledsoe got hurt in game one, I would expect to see Henson in there.

I saw the Bucs and Cowboys in Tampa two years ago during the 10-6 year. Between Carter, Hutch and Romo, Romo was by far the least impressive. It is not a slam. Just reality. Carter and Hutch's passes were smoking and you could hear the receiver's hands as they caught the ball. Romo's passes were quiet.

[kartr]

Howdy folks. You guys will never know how much I missed the site the last 2 days as I went to the game.

Pictures coming later when I download them to a site.

Okay, let's start with the thing everyone always wants to talk about, quarterbacks.

MichaelWinicki and LaTunaNostra, I would just like to say until the two of you pointed it out I had no idea how obvous it is that Drew Bledsoe pats the football a lot before he throws it. He took 2 sacks yesterday and fumbled on one of them. Luckily we got it back. I acknowledge that he has a canon for an arm. There is no doubt about that at all. However, last night he looked awful. He was pushing the ball instead of throwing it. He had more time than either of the other 2 QBs and looked the worst of the 3 in some regards.

Okay, on to Tony Romo. He had a better completion % than Drew and moved the team, but I'm going to be honest, he lollypops every throw. There was almost no zip on any pass. I have tried to be supportive of him but I'm going to be honest, he will never be starter material. It just flat out will not happen. When standing next to the 2 Drews he is noticably shorter. The most glaring difference though is the velocity of the football. Quite frankly he had none last night. To his credit he made very smart throws. He was locked onto Witten (more about him later) and as a result he moved the team.

Okay, now is where you guys get to call me a Henson Apologist or whatever you want. With less time than either of the first 2 guys he was noticably better than they were in every aspect of the game. He took a sack late on the last drive that he had no chance to avoid. If not for that he played well enough to have done exactly what Parcells asked for, that was to come in late and win the game. Those who were worried about this kid can stop. He has some serious tools. He played better with less than either of the other two guys and yes, I will acknowledge he played against a lesser defense than they did. At least acknowledge this when bringing that up, Antrel Rolle and Lance Mitchell are going to be starters for the Cardinals this year at some point. He wasn't going against scrubs, these guys were good.

Okay, moving on to my perrenial biggest worry, pass rush. Once again, we had none. DeMarcus Ware got double teamed a lot. On Warner's TD pass he had a chance for a killer shot, but he pulled up to avoid the flag. If he gets a shot like that a step sooner he will anihilate someone. We did not blitz worth a crap and we gave them too much time to beat us. I was so ready to see pressure on the QB it was not funny. It just didn't happen.

I think we played more 4-3 than 3-4. Might be because of Fergy being out, but we definitely had both looks. Canty even played some DT. Glover and Ellis need not worry about their roles. They are going to play. Glover was brilliant as usual. Thomas "Pepper" Johnson is fun to watch folks. This kid plays with the throttle mashed. Ogbogu's arms are ripped and he literally rode McNown to the ground on 1 hit. I was impressed and I thought he was a longshot. Coleman is our best DE in the 3-4 right now. He was truly great. Carson is a square built son of a gun.

Nors, hate to shatter your illusions, but Al Singleton is one of our biggest LBs, not one of the smallest. He is huge and he is cut. Not only that but he made plays all over the field while he was in. JMO, but Ryan Fowler outplayed Shanle. Both played well, but Folwer was more impressive. I feel pretty good in saying Bradie James has arrived. I thought he was one of our better players last night. He made a great read on one play and nearly could have had a pick. If he had reacted a split second sooner he is going back the other way. A kid I like, Mike Goolsby, had a great read on one play. I was mad as heck that the big screen didn't replay it. That was football intelligence personified.

Kevin Burnett is huge. He is going to be a favorite of mine for a long time. This kid was born to play football. I can't wait until he is a starter.

RCB is solved. Anthony Henry was awesome. He is big and agressive and his techiniques were solid. Beriault has a future in the NFL. I love guys who play with that much heart. The reports of his being a solid tackler were dead on the money. Davis started at FS but did not do much.

Terrence Newman has a new nickname courtesy of CaliCowboy (more on him and others later). He is the Newspaper because he covered everybody. Newman is going to be great this year.

Roy Williams is already on form and looks huge. I feel bad for WRs and TEs this year. They are going to hurt. He is simply a heat seeking missile out there.

Okay, moving to offense, I want to start with Jason Witten. He is simply a pleasure to watch play. Apologies to my sister Princess, but if he continues as he is going right now, this kid will be the best TE in Cowboys history. His hands are just awesome.

Speaking of hands, this report is for CowboysFan02 who requested this from Chat. Patrick Crayton is for real. He snatches the ball out of the air with authority. His route running was crisp and you can't say enough about how hard he goes.

LTN, Terry Glenn didn't get much attention last night but he has the best hands on the team and that is saying something given who he is competing against. The ball just lands in his hands. Also wanted to let you know he looks as fast as ever.

My kid, Lousaka Polite made the team. Not only did he play great last night, but Dale told me something Parcells said about him off the record.

Julius Jones is cut. Oh my gosh did he work hard this off season. I expect 1600 yards from him. He can do it. Barber looked okay last night. Didn't see much of A-train. My gosh it is hard not to notice Tyson Thompson. scottsp specifically asked me for a report on him. scott, he explodes to the hole. He turns the corner as fast as anyone I have seen in years. Last night, he was by far the most impressive player.

Pittdawg, Rob had a rough night but he showed some heart. He's gotta lose that mohawk though. Your son is a mountain of a man. I liked most of what I saw last night. He bites on the 1st move too much. They will work with him on that.

Jacob Rogers got hurt again. Tucker is not a Tackle. Kurt Vollers is huge. You can't even imagine how big he is until you see him.

Speaking of huge, Larry Allen is all man. I wouldn't fight him unles he was unconscious. He looks great. Expect a top flight year.

Gurode started at Center and to be truthful played better than Al Johnson.

Peterman is fun to watch. He has a nasty streak. I am going to like him a lot.

Our kick and punt coverage teams were awful last night. I still hate kickers. McBriar was awesome though. There were way too many penalties. Parcells will be chewing this week.

Okay, now about the folks I met personally for the 1st time.

I'll start with Dale. He is every bit as impressive in person as he is in posts. There is not a doubt in the world that he is a genuine good guy. I did something really stupid when I went to pick him up at the team hotel. I left my camera in the car. I got to meet Roy Williams, Marcus Spears, and Jason Witten. Could have had pics too. Duh.

Dale and I went out to eat with AdButcher. Folks, I am big, AdButcher dwarfs me. It is a good thing he is a kind man because he could hurt people. Dude knows football. He, Dale, and I went out to dinner Friday night and the stories were awesome. Ad and I will do games together again. Book it.

I hope Dale tells one of them to the forum some day. Bang bang.

:lmao2:

Our resident basketball referee Blindzebra attended the game with me and Adbutcher. We all had a ball. He recognizes stuff as fast as anyone you will meet. Great memory for our History too. Lots of fun. Ad had rented a Hummer H3. That's how we went to the game. Parked in spot #22. Blindzebra is good people. No doubt about it.

Met Sitting Bull and his son right before half time. His son is a great looking kid. Kind of shy. Genuine nice guy it was a pleasure to meet. Wish we could have rapped more.

CaliCowboy who has done reports from TC was one of group that we tailgated with. It was great to meet him and his wife and son. I will meet him again at TC next year. He sold me on needing to go.

AZCowboy and I are going to party together some more. He is an ASU guy. I'm a UA guy. We need to go to the game this year and give each other crap. He looks exactly like my best friend Rich, except with blonde hair. Had much fun getting to know him. He met Robert Newhouse last night and got to put on his Super Bowl ring. So I am jealous as hell right now.

CowboyGolfer is a soft spoken guy who has a son who is going to be huge. Kid is only 14 and already casts quite a shadow. Good people. I hope that he and I can play a round some time. I'm told I will need to bring my A game because he's that good.

Message boards are very much a brotherhood. We had a group that got together from "rival" boards and we all had a ball. It showed me more than ever that having hard feelings towards a fellow Cowboys fan over stuff on the Internet is just silly.

I'll answer specific questions. These were my observations. Place whatever emphasis on them that you wish.

I agree completely about your assessment of Romo. He's small and has a pop-gun arm, but a scrappy kid. The 'little engine that could' type. I noticed also that the 6'2" inch Warner even towered over him.
About Henson, I don't agree at all. I think it was Tyson Thompson that made him look good as he did, plus he was playing against guys who wont even make the Cardinals roster. He doesn't look natural. He did throw the ball away a couple of times, but that's kind of a no-brainer. Where was his elusiveness?
He obviously has superior physical tools to Romo, but going up against third teamers, I would expect more. I think people will see what I'm talking about next week when he's second string.

[kartr]

'bout time Hos...we've been waiting to hear from you.

Good read, thanks for the analysis!

I hope that qb on your sig. is the one we draft next year, he's absolutely awsome. I think the thing I like about him most is that he's not a baseball player.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree completely about your assessment of Romo. He's small and has a pop-gun arm, but a scrappy kid. The 'little engine that could' type. I noticed also that the 6'2" inch Warner even towered over him.
About Henson, I don't agree at all. I think it was Tyson Thompson that made him look good as he did, plus he was playing against guys who wont even make the Cardinals roster. He doesn't look natural. He did throw the ball away a couple of times, but that's kind of a no-brainer. Where was his elusiveness?
He obviously has superior physical tools to Romo, but going up against third teamers, I would expect more. I think people will see what I'm talking about next week when he's second string.


I don't agree with you about Thompson making Henson look good. Most of the completions that Henson had were short sets, thrown to spots. This type of pass depends on accuracy and arm strength. They were the type of routes that beat the defense before they can react. I think Thompson did play well but to say that he was the reason Henson was succesful, IMO, is baseless. As for the 3rd string, well, he was also playing with 3rd string. A fact that was clearly evident in our offensive line play. Henson, I thought, showed ellusivness on a couple of different occasions. I thought he moved, in the pocket, fairly well. Lastly, throwing the ball away is something you would expect to be easy but, it's clearly something a Vet like Bledsoe has not master. I think it's an over simplification to say, it's expected. If it were an easy thing to do, you would see every QB come into the league with it mastered. Respectfully, I would have to disagree with you on this point.

[hipfake08]

Message boards are very much a brotherhood. We had a group that got together from "rival" boards and we all had a ball. It showed me more than ever that having hard feelings towards a fellow Cowboys fan over stuff on the Internet is just silly.


Thanks for the game report.

The above is the same way I think. Have been to Eagle camp 5 times to meet with the Philly backers from the KFFL board. Simple things.
We all love football and back our teams.