Tuesday PC (***Official PC Thread***)

[mwmilsted]

Is anyone listening to today's PC with Parcells. if so, how a bout an update.

[SALADIN]

Is anyone listening to today's PC with Parcells. if so, how a bout an update.

We're all waiting for Inman to give us the recap. :bow:

[MiStar]

Anyone have a recap?

[Sportsbabe]

Yes. No one does it better than Inman. The press conference was classic BP. He's almost fed up with the "tackle" questions but he's stilll being cool about it. He spoke very highly of Canty. It has relieved his anxiety of not having Spears available. He also gave some good inside info on Beirault. Went indepth about first determining how a player "learns" is the most important aspect of coaching. Talked about Newman and Henry. Keyshawn doesn't get all excited about this stuff but he'll be ready. Don't worry about his surgeries. Key is a tough guy. Come regular season, he'll bring it. Ioshi will give the details.

[jlust22]

I didn't hear all of it and Inman usually gives a detailed recap, but here is some of what I caught. He said the major areas of concern for him right now are RT, OLB depth, S and the injuries to Spears and Ryan. He knows Spears is an important part of the defense so he would like to get him going. He said they took a chance on Canty in the draft and it looks like it could turn out the way they hoped. The young DL played well in the Arizona game. He said Coleman player very well and the 3-4 is a much better fit for him.

He feels good about the CB's. He thinks Henry will do well against the bigger more physical WR's. He said Aaron Glenn has been a big help for Newman. He thought one of the reasons for Newman's struggles last year was that he got stung for the first time which was new for him. He said when you are from Salina, Kansas and play in the Big 12 which is not noted as a passing league with speedy WR's, you are not used to being stung. He had to adjust which every CB in the NFL has to do at some point.

[InmanRoshi]

Not much on the injury news. Fergie back on the field this afternoon. I don’t think Rogers will be back today.

With regard to RT, can 1 position hold your entire team hostage?
Yes. I had a center position do it to me. Disrupted the whole thing. Can’t say that about RT yet. It only holds you hostage when you start losing games because of it. Is it slightly bothering me? Yes. I wouldn’t say that would be that point yet, though .

RT last year do that to you? .
It wasn’t the only problem. I would like to have better performance than I had at the position last year, absolutely. I want to stick up for a guy real quick. We had an inordinate amount of mental errors there last year. That same player made two mental errors in the preseason and scrimmage combined the last two weeks. He’s had some penalties and stuff, but he has improved in the mental aspect. I don’t think he’s taking a step back physically. I’ve been on him about his weight, and I’ve weighed him 3 or 4 times since he’s been here and he’s doing fine in there. So two of the areas that have been problems in that area, have been resolved.

If you get into a regular season and a positoin remains a problem do you think opponents will take advantage of it?
The thing about the NFL is that there aren’t any secrets in this league. Everyone knows what’s going on. You can tell by watching film sessions.

What was your record the year you had the problems at center?
Two different time. The first year at NE. And also with the Giants until I got Bart Oates. We made the playoffs one year, but that position wasn’t any good.

Trust factor. If you got one guy who makes mental mistakes and another guy who can’t get on the field, so how can you trust the position?
Well, we have Pettiti here as well, and I’m giving him ample opportunity to get in this mix. I also could put Vollers in there, and he’s played there before. I don’t want to crowd one position totally, because of repetitions problems. I had Tucker playing LT some, because I want to make sure Pettiti gets some at RT. Obviously, the thing that makes you most uncomfortable when you can’t rely on a player for whatever reason. In addition to RT we have other things (laugh) that are almost as pressing if not as pressing. There are a few things on my mind, right now where things are unsettled.

Concerned about results on Saturday with the first sting offense, is it important that they score next week?
Am I concerned? Yeah. But there are a lot of things that you do in preseason that are the antitheses of what you do in the regular season. First of all, you’re counting plays. Second, you make sure all the players you want to see are playing. For example, I have a pretty good idea on the punt team who can do what from last year, but I didn’t use any of those guys the other night. I wanted to see which of the new ones look like they could be integrated in. Who immediately separates themselves out of the new guys? Now, the next phase is put them in with the established players and see what he can do. And then the more a player shows me that he can do those things, the better chance I have to put him on. I’m not trying to .. look you cant score points with 5 sacks and 3 penalties, but by the same token .. .and AZ wasn’t rying to do anything in particular. They weren’t on all out attack ... but could we have had a better chance to move the ball under a different strategy? Yes, I think we could have. Doesn’t mean we would have, but we would have had a better chance.

Henry at RCB. What difference from the ?
Its just better. He’s just a much better player. Biggers, stronger, faster, smarter and has better hands. All of the above. I think the best asset is his ability to match up against the bigger WR’s who are popular in the league. Owens, Burress, Javon Walker. He matches up well with those.

What other positions are just as bothersome as RT? .

There not as bad, I’m just saying .... This isn’t tomato soup, there’s some vegetables in there too. I’m concerned about the safety spot. I do have concern about the outside linebacker. Just the depth there. Other things are I’m not getting Spears ready to play, and I want him and Sean Ryan to get in the mix. You know, its one thing after another, really. I do have some concerns about some of those things.

Spears not being able to see him does it effect the 3 man line?
Yeah, it can effect it, but ... you know the reason I’ve been tranquil about this situation is what I’m seeing from Canty offsets what I’m not seeing from Spears. We were just kind of wishing Canty would be able to do something, and it looks now like we have a player there. We took a chance, a 50/50 chance, and it looks like it could turn out the way we hoped it would. Plus, a couple of these younger defensive linemen. I don’t know if you noticed them in the game, but they’re doing good things. Coleman is doing very well. This defense is much better for Kenyon. He’s much more a prototype for this defense than the other one.

What was it about Pettiti that caused you to draft him?
There are several things. First of all, I knew a little bit about him for a long period of time. He was a 4 year starter at Pitt, and they’ve had pretty competitive teams with Walt Harris. I knew about his family and his background. I know of his father, and knew what kind of athlete his father was. Little things that don’t mean anything, but piqued my interests. To tell you the truth,, this was a player that Ireland and I ...... when got to Mobile at the Sr. Bowl, we got there early to go to the weigh ins and he weighed 361 that day. And it was not good news. Ireland was elbowing me, like I couldn't see it. When you see a kid that is 21 years old that weighs 361, that’s not normal. Something is going on there. He’s got a eating disorder or no discipline. If he’s obese at 21, what he’s going to be 25 or 31? 380? Maybe Rob is the exception to the rule. But most of them, if they’re fat at 21, they’ll be fatter at 25. Then, he went to practice one day and hurt his toe and then he went home. So, as a result, this 4 year starter at a good school fell far in the draft. In those rounds, you’re looking for potential. Who is the guy on the board who looks like he could do something for us? Fergy was the same exact thing. He was up there, and we thought it was worth the risk. So we drafted him, and he was 347 the first day he came in. So that was better I told him by the time June 1st comes I want you at 335. June 1st he was 335. I told him in July weigh ins, I want you at 325. He did it. Right then I know the player has discipline. You’re talking about quite a few pounds. I like that. He showed me he wants it in our offseason program. I’m not raving about this guy, just telling it how it is. Our trainer told me “You don’t have to worry about this guy. This guy is a worker.” This was just after 10 days. That’s why he gets a good chance. Now I purposely didn’t play him a great deal the other night because of this contusion on his ankle. I didn’t want to give him 50 snaps and set him back. But this week, he’s playing a lot. Its not overstating to say that I’ve basically told him “Here’s your chance. If you decide to grab it.”

Tnew in last year’s camp was there signs that he might struggle?
I think his problem was when he got stung a little bit, it shook his confidence. It was probably the first time he ever was strung. I do think Aaron Glenn is a big help. A big help. There is someone he can talk to at the exact same position that knows how to play it. He looks to be much improved. Obviously, everyone can see it. But, what happens when he’s stung the first time? A lot of boxers look awfully good when they’re knocking people out in the 1st and 2nd round. What happens when the other guy starts punching back and the fight has to go 10 rounds? You know .. Last year he just got beat a few times, couldn’t find the ball, got a penalty ... and it just snow balls. At that position, the inability to remember things is far less devastating than the inability to forget. If you cant forget at this position, its going to be hard for you to be successful, because it isn’t going to be good all the time. Just like the QB position.

Canty
Canty, this is one of these players you get that you don’t know how far this can go. The upside can be very, very good, but you don’t know if this could be really something. I think he can be a good player, no doubt. Can he be a special player? I don’t know. I hope he’s strongly in the mix this year.

Tyson Thompson?
Initially in minicamp I thought he would struggle mentally for at least a year, but that doesn’t appear to be the case now. One of the more important things as a coach with young players is to determine how quickly they learn. There is a diverse spectrum of how people learn. Does he learn by telling him? Does he need to have it illustrated? Do you have to show him on the field? Do you have to teach him by showing, telling and do it for him? I tell my coaches in the first meetings that’s their main goal in minicamps. To know how your players learn best. Now, we have a young woman in our organization who has a background in this stuff who can make a determination a lot better than I can at it. Now, I have some experience in it just being a coach for so long, but she can tell us more specifically the best way to approach the player. She’ll sit down, talk to them and then she’ll say “Bill, if you communicate with the player this way, I think you’ll get the best result.” That’s very important. I had a 1st round draft choice, who was making mental error after mental error. Great kid. Hustled, tried hard but it was just mental error after mental error. Well, I got the guy in a room and asked him “What’s going on here?” and he starts crying. I said “I’m not trying to put you in tears here, I’m just asking.” He said “Coach, I can’t read well. When I read, it looks backwards to me.” So I said, “Well, how do you learn then? Let’s solve this. Just show me how you learn best.” He said “Show me on the field, and I’ll get it.” So his playbook wasn’t any good to him. He could see the pictures, but didn’t understand what it was. So you had to show him on the playing field, and when you showed him he got it. Well, now we know how Tyson learns best, and it looks good. I’m not saying he was poor in mini-camp, but I just thought he would struggle. You get him in the huddle and he can’t remember plays and formations, and its all new to him. That seems to settled down a great deal. We had him over on Dallas day, and when the day was over I say to Jeff ... I wanted to talk to that Thompson kid, where is he? Jeff says he’s gone. He was already driving home. So I called him on his cellphone. So we got him back in there, and I sat down and talked to him for about an hour. Just what he needed to do. We were interested in him. What it would be like if he came here. What my expectations were. I’m not interested in problematic people. But I said if you do come here and do what I ask you to do, you’ll play. To his credit, he’s done that.

Is he raw?
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Everyday is a new day for him. He’s got a lot to do.

Keyshawn was getting extra reps yesterday. Is he still hurting from the surgery in the offseason?
Its not so much him, I got to get the combination of Drew, Terry, Key and Jason going better. Don’t worry about Key, he’s playing unless he’s dead. He’s a tough guy. He doesn’t get that excited about this stuff here, but regular season he’ll show up.

[SteveOS]

Roshi for Pres.

[Kilyin]

Very disappointing, looks like Tucker isn't going anywhere. Tucker wouldn't make third stringer on most teams. What does Parcells see in this guy?

[Outlaw Heroes]

Roshi,

You deserve a ton of credit for the service you perform for this board each day (without wanting to speak for your appetite for the job, I would suggest that the people who run this place should you in mind next time a spot opens up for a new mod). Your recaps are beyond excellent. Now if only we could get you to wise up and drop this preference of yours for Romo over Henson. ;)

[Duane]

Roshi you're the best.

[smashmouth]

Well I guess since everyone else is praising Roshi, I guess I can too. It amazes me how you can whip this stuff out like minutes after the PC almost seconds.
Interesting read on Petitti I never knew he was that big.
I would hope he had a mean streak in him, that's what I like to see out of my tackles.
And I don't know what BP sees in Tucker, the only thing I can think of is, size Strength and quickness/minus the crainium.

[jbz64]

Roshi, once again Great Job!!!

[LaTunaNostra]

You're spoiling us, Roshi!

Thanks again!

Some very promising words there on Canty..

[ABQCOWBOY]

Roshi for Pres.

LOL!!!!

Job doesn't pay enough. At least give him something that will allow him to retire and live comfortably.

;)

[aikemirv]

One question I have - How is holding not a mental error?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Very disappointing, looks like Tucker isn't going anywhere. Tucker wouldn't make third stringer on most teams. What does Parcells see in this guy?


Well, apparently, he has physical skills. It's the mental thing and I would have to think, after reading this dialoge, that BP feels like there not communicating well enough. Also, if you can believe the explination, he's making progress.

Go figure. I'd a cut the son of a buck too.

[speedkilz88]

So we got him back in there, and I sat down and talked to him for about an hour. Just what he needed to do. We were interested in him. What it would be like if he came here. What my expectations were. I’m not interested in problematic people. But I said if you do come here and do what I ask you to do, you’ll play. To his credit, he’s done that.Sounds like Thompson is making the team, still think that Anthony Thomas just doesn't fit here.

[Rush 2112]

A-Train fits cuz BP won't trust that much youth at RB. JJ, Barber, TT have a combined 1 year of experience. 1 hit away from our RB depth chart being Barber/TT. Not going to happen.

[smashmouth]

A-Train fits cuz BP won't trust that much youth at RB. JJ, Barber, TT have a combined 1 year of experience. 1 hit away from our RB depth chart being Barber/TT. Not going to happen.Think he'll keep 4 rb's?

[Duane]

A-Train fits cuz BP won't trust that much youth at RB. JJ, Barber, TT have a combined 1 year of experience. 1 hit away from our RB depth chart being Barber/TT. Not going to happen.
That could happen if we only keep one FB.

[Rush 2112]

Think he'll keep 4 rb's?


Yep.....

[MichaelWinicki]

That's a great story about the kid that had trouble reading. Parcells does care... that impresses me.

[Rush 2112]

That could happen if we only keep one FB.

We barely have one worth anything, why keep 2?

[StateCollegeCowboy]

You da man Roshi... thanks!

It is good to hear that Rob will be getting a long look this monday. Should be fun to see how he is progressing.

[Zaxor]

That's a great story about the kid that had trouble reading. Parcells does care... that impresses me.

Yeah sometimes he seems one way and than the other he seems like a very complicated kind of person...not a very even keel

[StateCollegeCowboy]

That's a great story about the kid that had trouble reading. Parcells does care... that impresses me.

Spending a 1st round pick will make anybody care ;)

[smashmouth]

I wonder how the mental chemistry is going to be if we keep 4 rb's. Like if someone's not getting enough reps i.e. A-Train, I wonder if it's going to sit well with him knowing he's going up against basically a nobody in Thompson.

[Sportsbabe]

One question I have - How is holding not a mental error?

Mental error could be missed assignments. Holding somebody could come about if they beat you by being quicker or using some slick, unexpected move. I can see how BP doesn't consider it a mental error. Before todays press conference I thought be counted penalities as mental errors .... apparently not.

[Duane]

We barely have one worth anything, why keep 2?
Two words - Special Teams. :D

[smashmouth]

Mental error could be missed assignments. Holding somebody could come about if they beat you by being quicker or using some slick, unexpected move. I can see how BP doesn't consider it a mental error. Before todays press conference I thought be counted penalities as mental errors .... apparently not.The only thing I can come up with as an excuse for Tucker is that he didn't study his opponent (why would he in pre-season) and he wasn't prepared for how quick the DE would be, so instead of having Romo murdered back there, he held.
I don't think he got another penalty after those consecutive ones.

[Rush 2112]

Two words - Special Teams. :D

3 words - Barnes or Crowder?

[aikemirv]

Mental error could be missed assignments. Holding somebody could come about if they beat you by being quicker or using some slick, unexpected move. I can see how BP doesn't consider it a mental error. Before todays press conference I thought be counted penalities as mental errors .... apparently not.

I can see how some holdings would not be mental and the guy blows by you and to protect your QB you take him down.

But... the two by Tucker from what I saw were not only that he was in bad position but also were cases where he did not have to grab the guy, he could have still pushed him, but instead took the lazy route and hooked him - That, to me is a mental error

[Sportsbabe]

Think he'll keep 4 rb's?

I don't know the numbers game but A-Train has power, Thompson has speed and Julius is our guy. I see a place for at least these three.

[Outlaw Heroes]

I don't know the numbers game but A-Train has power, Thompson has speed and Julius is our guy. I see a place for at least these three.

Add MBIII to your list. He brings an ability to catch the ball out of the backfield that the other guys haven't shown thus far.

[aikemirv]

Thomas is the one on the bubble, it is him or a FB IMO. Barber,Thompson and Jones are on the team if Thompson continually performs like he did. If the young guys show BP they can handle the blitz in preseason - A-train will be the casualty.

[Kilyin]

The only thing I can come up with as an excuse for Tucker is that he didn't study his opponent (why would he in pre-season) and he wasn't prepared for how quick the DE would be, so instead of having Romo murdered back there, he held.
I don't think he got another penalty after those consecutive ones.

I don't know who Tucker was up against, some second or third string Cardinal DE? It's not like he was trying to stop Bertrand Berry or Jevon Kearse. I mean, he's not preparing for a trigonometry exam, how much studying is really necessary?

[Rush 2112]

Thomas is the one on the bubble, it is him or a FB IMO. Barber,Thompson and Jones are on the team if Thompson continually performs like he did. If the young guys show BP they can handle the blitz in preseason - A-train will be the casualty.

BP doesn't want to run JJ into the ground. MBIII is a rookie who played in a Barnie Rubble offense at Minnesota. TT played in the equivalent of the arena league at SJSU.

Where's the blitz protection going to come from again?

Who's our QB?

[InmanRoshi]

Parcells has invested two years in Tucker, including one year as a full time starter. Given that he has ability and he sees progress in some areas, I don't think he's ready to flush that two years of investment down the toilet after two bad weeks in camp. We're still almost a month away from meaningfull games. Now, come Preseason game #3, and we're still seeing the same old-same old, then Gragg could be getting a phone call.

[austintodallas]

As long as we're on the subject of who's on the bubble and who's not. Does anyone know the deadline for the first round of cuts and how many players will have to go?

[Meat-O-Rama]

Mental error could be missed assignments. Holding somebody could come about if they beat you by being quicker or using some slick, unexpected move. I can see how BP doesn't consider it a mental error. Before todays press conference I thought be counted penalities as mental errors .... apparently not.

I agree, getting beat to the inside when you're expecting the guy to go outside is not so much a mental error. Having a false start when you know the snap count, or blocking left when you are supposed to block right (over-simplification I'm sure) is definitely a mental error. Either you don't understand or you're not paying attention.

[Duane]

3 words - Barnes or Crowder?
Three words - both are scrubs. :D

[Hollywood Henderson]

Thanks Inman and I agree, Tucker has some skills, he just seems to need more time to develop some consistancy...

Thats what were here for, (Camp) to build and to get better...

Looks like Canty might be very good...This year...
We need it, with Spears being behind...

I think we just keep Polite at FB and that will allow us to Keep Jones, A-Train, MBII, & the speedster...A-Train might allow us to use him in some FB situations too...

[Waffle]

Did you guys notice that BP mentioned the Zone's very own 'Pittdawg?!?' (Mr. Pettiti) :wink2:

InmanRoshi...I bet you would be awsome at typing Closed Captions for live television programs. Great work as always! Thanks!!

[InmanRoshi]

nmanRoshi...I bet you would be awsome at typing Closed Captions for live television programs. Great work as always! Thanks!!

I was a Relay operator for two years in college for extra beer money. Its basically closed captioning for the telephone. Its not just about typing speed, but also getting to the meat of the conversation. You can tell from the inflection of the voice a throw away comment from the crux of the point.

[VirusX]

Helluva kid pittdawg, great job with this kid I hope he is a stud at tackle for us for years!

[silver]

Spending a 1st round pick will make anybody care ;)

exactly. i wonder what the problem was with reshard lee. he must've had a learning issue too since he failed to learn to pick up the blitz in 2 years here.

[Chuck 54]

1. I've been on record before this that Tucker was not going anywhere...he will compete with Vollers for the spot, imo.

2. One must also consider that if BP is losing patience and faith in Rogers, this could be his way of trying to build up Tucker's confidence since he knows he may be depending on him again.

[stilltheguru]

lol @ keyshawn.Thats my homie now.One of my favorite cowboys.I love the tough play.

[WilmingtonHeel]

Roshi you have some quick fingers dude, good job 1st cuts are next week after the 2nd preseason game I think

[Charles]

ImanRoshi aka forum scribe. Great stuff

[Rush 2112]

Three words - both are scrubs. :D

Crowder had a top 5 performance on Saturday and did something we haven't seen since Jimmy was here.

[lockster]

Thanks man!!!!

[Sitting Bull]

I had a 1st round draft choice, who was making mental error after mental error. Great kid. Hustled, tried hard but it was just mental error after mental error. Well, I got the guy in a room and asked him “What’s going on here?” and he starts crying. I said “I’m not trying to put you in tears here, I’m just asking.” He said “Coach, I can’t read well. When I read, it looks backwards to me.” So I said, “Well, how do you learn then? Let’s solve this. Just show me how you learn best.” He said “Show me on the field, and I’ll get it.” So his playbook wasn’t any good to him. He could see the pictures, but didn’t understand what it was. So you had to show him on the playing field

What is Parcells talking about? Quincy Carter wasn't a first round draft choice...

[TheSkaven]

Sounds like Thompson is making the team, still think that Anthony Thomas just doesn't fit here.
Two 1000 yard seasons, I'd say he fits. Does Barber? Does being a 4th round pick make you immune to the unemployment line? He hasn't really shown anything in mini-camp, so far.

All in all though, I'd venture that this team keeps four running backs.

[Deep_Freeze]

This situation is shaping up to have some interesting cuts, cause we really don't need 4 RBs, we need those roster spots elsewhere.

I know everyone is down on Rogers, but give the guy a chance. He has had alot of bad luck, but healthy he is still the starter in my mind. Hopefully he can get things together, this team needs him.