Abraham - Can we get him on the sly? [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

junk

08-17-2005, 09:57 PM

That would solidify and bolster OLB / PASS RUSH.......

Would you trade a 2nd and get him in here?

Or better yet Ellis, AlS and a 6th?

Is this another gem from your "source"?

Why would the Jets trade Ellis, Singleton and a 6th for Abraham? Did you feed their GM paint chips or something?

Or maybe you see the presence of these guys as links to the 4-3 and you have been desperately trying to get rid of them the entire offseason.

I suspect both start the season on the Cowboys roster. Good chance that they are both not only on the roster, but in the starting lineup.

cowboyfan4life_mark

08-17-2005, 09:57 PM

Before I would do that trade, I would try my luck with moving Ellis to LB... :laugh2:

RonBurgandy31

08-17-2005, 10:12 PM

Yea sure lets go and trade sean ryan for him:laugh2:

TheSkaven

08-17-2005, 10:14 PM

Unless Abraham can play RT, I'm not interested. I like this defense, I think they're going to be top 3 this year. I'm more worried about the offensive line.

big dog cowboy

08-17-2005, 10:21 PM

No room on the line for him.

Nors

08-17-2005, 10:21 PM

WE NEED PASS RUSHERS

Parcells concerned at depth at OLB and Pass rushers at PC.

Als is a dead man walking long term here, and Ellis is what he is a nice 4-3 DE -

SultanOfSix

08-17-2005, 10:27 PM

No.........

BigDFan5

08-17-2005, 10:28 PM

WE NEED PASS RUSHERS

Parcells concerned at depth at OLB and Pass rushers at PC.

Als is a dead man walking long term here, and Ellis is what he is a nice 4-3 DE -

I noticed you have changed your tune on AL being cut this year.

Also Who doesnt get to play if Abraham was here? Ware or Burnett>?

Hostile

08-17-2005, 10:30 PM

Is this another gem from your "source"?

Why would the Jets trade Ellis, Singleton and a 6th for Abraham? Did you feed their GM paint chips or something?

Or maybe you see the presence of these guys as links to the 4-3 and you have been desperately trying to get rid of them the entire offseason.

I suspect both start the season on the Cowboys roster. Good chance that they are both not only on the roster, but in the starting lineup.Naw, his source doesn't work for the Jets. These are ramblings.

LaTunaNostra

08-17-2005, 10:30 PM

That would solidify and bolster OLB / PASS RUSH.......

Would you trade a 2nd and get him in here?

Or better yet Ellis, AlS and a 6th?
A franchise tagged player can't be had for a second.

Abe was a good idea before Ware was drafted. But his price was too high then, and it is now.

On the Jets end, there is another Ellis in NY.. a player actually quite similar to Greg. Shaun Ellis is a sood solid LDE, who can deal with the run. But he is not the talented pass rusher Abe is..the Jets would have true bookends in the Ellises, but lack enough pizzazz.

Al was, I believe, with Herm and Dungy before Herm left. Were Herm still playing mostly cover 2, yes maybe. But how Al'd figure into "Hendu ball", Donny Henderson's mixed fronts, is pretty much the say he'd figure in Dallas.

Both Greg and Al would find closer fits elsewhere.

Nors

08-17-2005, 10:40 PM

LaTunaNostra

08-17-2005, 10:47 PM

He's still holding out - only at a bargain do we add him....

Burnett can be moved inside......Didn't Parcells call him a bubble backer?

Ware, Burnett, Dat, Abraham. Thats NASTY - I know outside the box thinking -

Its a Als for Abraham trade off. Please?
Nors, Abraham's been tagged.

How do you get him for a bargain?

What scenario could take place that would convince Bradway not to get the two firsts for him?

BTW, Abraham is holding out..for a long term contract. Doesn't want, naturally to play this year without that security, he gets hurt again, he's screwed.

That deal will probably get done. If he becomes more recalcitrent, of course he could be moved.

For the price of the tag.

Nors

08-17-2005, 10:54 PM

Nors, Abraham's been tagged.

How do you get him for a bargain?

What scenario could take place that would convince Bradway not to get the two firsts for him?

BTW, Abraham is holding out..for a long term contract. Doesn't want, naturally to play this year without that security, he gets hurt again, he's screwed.

That deal will probably get done. If he becomes more recalcitrent, of course he could be moved.

For the price of the tag.
????

Wasn't Price traded for less than the tag?

Abraham can be traded for whatever 2 teams agree on - I said on the sly.

I have no insider info but Parcells lamenting today about his OLB and lack of pass rushers struck a nerve.

I listen and think. Boohoo'd here but who cares. JA is in Parcells thought process - as an option. Settling on Als OLB in a 3-4 has to be tearing at him....

Big D

08-17-2005, 10:57 PM

WE NEED PASS RUSHERS

Parcells concerned at depth at OLB and Pass rushers at PC.

Als is a dead man walking long term here, and Ellis is what he is a nice 4-3 DE -

What makes you so sure that BP will cut arguably our best LB in favor of an unproven rookie?

blindzebra

08-17-2005, 10:58 PM

Singleton is still here and first string.

The play of Glover and Ellis plus the ability of Canty to play DT has Parcells thinking more 4 man fronts might be in the picture.

Nors solution?

Let's trade away the guys that may cause his 3-4 from being ran full time.

So very predictable.

Nightshade

08-17-2005, 11:00 PM

Maybe we could get Ty Law instead?

silverbear

08-17-2005, 11:05 PM

JA is in Parcells thought process - as an option.

Parcells told you that, did he??

Or perhaps you saw it in your crystal ball??

How exactly would you propose we PAY the guy?? We have some cap room left, but not enough to pay a franchise DE (who is angry because he does not want to play for the franchise tag, he wants a new-- more lucrative-- deal)...

Because of cap considerations, and because I don't believe the Boys would want to slow DeMarcus Ware's development, I'd be surprised if Parcells had actually given any thought at all to this move you're proposing...

Reality

08-17-2005, 11:07 PM

That would solidify and bolster OLB / PASS RUSH.......

Would you trade a 2nd and get him in here?

Or better yet Ellis, AlS and a 6th?

I'd trade Romo, Burnett and a 6th? :D :D :D

Hostile

08-17-2005, 11:11 PM

I'd trade Romo, Burnett and a 6th? :D :D :DThis owuld be funny if you had left Burnet out of it.

Now my feewings are hurt. That's my defensive emotional leader.

:cry:

Nightshade

08-17-2005, 11:18 PM

I'd trade Romo, Burnett and a 6th? :D :D :D
:lmao2:

DLK150

08-17-2005, 11:24 PM

This owuld be funny if you had left Burnet out of it.

Now my feewings are hurt. That's my defensive emotional leader.

:cry:

Well then... how about Romo, O'Neill and a 6th?

Hostile

08-17-2005, 11:26 PM

Well then... how about Romo, O'Neill and a 6th?Kind of surprised Al Johnson wasn't offered.

Naw that would be too cruel.

DLK150

08-17-2005, 11:29 PM

Kind of surprised Al Johnson wasn't offered.

Naw that would be too cruel.

Rats. He slipped my mind. You're right though, it's best to stay as humane as possible.

NYCowboy22

08-17-2005, 11:40 PM

That would solidify and bolster OLB / PASS RUSH.......

Would you trade a 2nd and get him in here?

Or better yet Ellis, AlS and a 6th?

Are you serious? I'm not being facetious, you seem to post every thought that your brain processes without any regard to feasibility.

junk

08-18-2005, 06:33 AM

Naw, his source doesn't work for the Jets. These are ramblings.

His source works for other things? Thats news to me.

smashmouth

08-18-2005, 06:54 AM

I would love to get a stronger passrush in here, but again we're basing things on the first pre-season game. We really need to see how things unfold in the next 2 games before we throw anyone off the bridge.
Our concerns (i'm serious about this) are RT, FS, and WR! I'm so concerned about out RT position, and the ability for our line to stay healthy and our CENTER position it's tearing me up.
If our offensive issues aren't fixed, this season is over quick!

LaTunaNostra

08-18-2005, 07:02 AM

????

Wasn't Price traded for less than the tag?

Abraham can be traded for whatever 2 teams agree on - I said on the sly.

Yah, but the Jets have said they are not interested in trading him, and it's folly to think the situation is so bad they have to give him away.

Yes, any player can be traded for whatver is agreed on..but none lilke to look the fool. An elite pass rusher for two players who fit about as well as you claim they do here? That isn't 'on the sly", that's an upfront give-away.

I have no insider info but Parcells lamenting today about his OLB and lack of pass rushers struck a nerve.

I listen and think. Boohoo'd here but who cares. JA is in Parcells thought process - as an option. Settling on Als OLB in a 3-4 has to be tearing at him....
You listen and think -- and the conclusions are hysterical. :)

That Vulcan mind control you wield over Parcells?

It's as dysfunctional as Al's supposed ability - JA probably was in Bill's thought processes pre-draft. But if he can't rush the passer with what he's amassed now, he'll just have to pray that exposed secondary hs been upgraded enough to stave off disaster.

Bill's got a savior...but it isn't Johnny Abe.

He's already here and lines up across from Tnew.

dbair1967

08-18-2005, 07:08 AM

A franchise tagged player can't be had for a second.

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sure they can...the team that tags him can trade him for a bag of peanuts if they want...

you just cant SIGN them away without giving up 2 #1's...the original team has a choice to match the offer or accept 2 #1s as comp...but IF the team that has the players WANTS to trade their rights for less compensation, they can...I believe Tebucky Jones is a recent example...I think New Orleans got him for a 2nd

David

dbair1967

08-18-2005, 07:08 AM

WE NEED PASS RUSHERS

and Ellis is what he is a nice 4-3 DE -

well according to Parcells, right now Ellis is a nice 3-4 DE

David

joseephuss

08-18-2005, 07:24 AM

Abraham can't play DE in a 3-4 scheme. He is listed at 256. He isn't athletic enough to be an OLB in a 3-4 and drop into coverage. Sure he can rush the passer, but he could only play in the 4-3 scheme. He isn't worth two veteran starters that can play both the 3-4 and the 4-3 and a draft pick.

LaTunaNostra

08-18-2005, 07:43 AM

Who cares how well Abe would or would not fit?

It's an op to get rid of both Al and Ellis!

Can't pass that up.

BrAinPaiNt

08-18-2005, 08:05 AM

That would solidify and bolster OLB / PASS RUSH.......

Would you trade a 2nd and get him in here?

Or better yet Ellis, AlS and a 6th?

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Verdict

08-18-2005, 09:31 AM

That would solidify and bolster OLB / PASS RUSH.......

Would you trade a 2nd and get him in here?

Or better yet Ellis, AlS and a 6th?

No offense intended Nors, but put down the crackpipe or go to crack light. Just kidding. :D

Outlaw Heroes

08-18-2005, 09:35 AM

Nors,

How 'bout Owens for Bledsoe, straight up? Thought has to have crossed Bill's mind, no? Bledsoe, even according to the most charitable assessment, is a bus driver type at the tail-end of his career. Owens is a franchise type WR and we certainly need to address the WR spot at some point, by Bill's own admission. Oh sure, others will say that Philadelphia would never do that trade. But we're talking getting Owens "on the sly" here, bro. You with me? I know you are, G. Me and you, man: we know how to think outside of the box!!

MichaelWinicki

08-18-2005, 09:41 AM

Nors and a forum where he can post are a dangerous combination...

junk

08-18-2005, 09:58 AM

Nors and a forum where he can post are a dangerous combination...

I am sure they have already removed all the sharp things from his office. Don't they realize the damage he can do with a computer?

Arch Stanton

08-18-2005, 03:11 PM

Has Abe recovered from that injury that kept him out of the playoffs? ;)

LaTunaNostra

08-18-2005, 09:50 PM

sure they can...the team that tags him can trade him for a bag of peanuts if they want...

you just cant SIGN them away without giving up 2 #1's...the original team has a choice to match the offer or accept 2 #1s as comp...but IF the team that has the players WANTS to trade their rights for less compensation, they can...I believe Tebucky Jones is a recent example...I think New Orleans got him for a 2nd

David
David, I was referring to the buyer not the seller.

As in, it's folly to think you can steal one "on the sly".