View Full Version : Rogers probably done for the season
Typhus
08-18-2005, 05:37 PM
When asked if Rogers was playing vs. the Seahawks BP said no he's going to have some kind of surgery. He wouldn't give further details but he sounded extemely frustrated with Rogers. Just a guess but if the surgery keeps him out the rest of the preseason, we put him on IR then give him one final chance next year. What a BUST!!!!!!
Billy Bullocks
08-18-2005, 05:44 PM
Do injuries really make you a bust? I mean I guess so, but then again, maybe he'sjust soft
silver
08-18-2005, 05:45 PM
thats the easy way to make the team. he better have something major done or theyll just release him once he heals. biggest bust since goodrich. the guy needs a shrink more than a trainer. dont worry it appears we hit a jackpot with pettiti.
I seem to recall that when Rogers was drafted he had a pretty long injury history but that one of the things Parcells liked about him was his "toughness".
Anyone else recall that?
whcarm
08-18-2005, 05:48 PM
Didn't we get rid of Jimmy Smith because he had a string of nagging injuries? I'm sure everyone then was saying he was a bust. Now, when people look back we all attack the stupidity of the Cowboys for ever letting him go.
Juke99
08-18-2005, 05:50 PM
Do injuries really make you a bust? I mean I guess so, but then again, maybe he'sjust soft
Funny thing...we (and I am as guilty as anyone) label a player a "bust" when the real bust was the person/people who chose him...
He had injury issues in college...it was a gamble that now appears to have not been worth it.
His upside never struck me as being strong enough to warrant being selected as high as he was...especially considering the downside we are now seeing.
That's why the Canty pick was so good. He has a very good upside but we only used a 4th to get him. That was a risk/reward selection that made sense.
The Rogers pick on the other hand appears to be quite something else.
AbeBeta
08-18-2005, 05:54 PM
Hold on now. A guy who needs surgery isn't soft nor does it mean he needs psychological care. Is Campbell soft because he missed most of last year with a foot surgery and the start of TC with an appendectomy?
Actually Rogers needing surgery makes it sound like he has a legit injury. BP wants players to distinguish between pain and injury. Looks like Rogers did so correctly in this case.
Of course, he's still got a one way ticket to bustland if he doesn't get on the field soon.
Chocolate Lab
08-18-2005, 06:01 PM
It sounded to me like Parcells was thinking today, "Why all the questions about this guy's knee? Blown out or tweaked, it doesn't matter, 'cause he's dead to me anyway."
Hold on now. A guy who needs surgery isn't soft nor does it mean he needs psychological care.
In some cases you are absolutely right. But there is some in between that could justify some of BP's feelings (not necessarily meaning Rogers).
There are injuries that will require surgery but can be put off - like Ken Norton's torn bicep back in the day.
Its not always a singular option. I don't know what the deal is with Rogers but I suspect BP is frustrated at least by the fact Rogers can't stay on the field and perhaps because he won't.
silver
08-18-2005, 06:02 PM
biggest bust since pamela anderson was on baywatch
silver
08-18-2005, 06:03 PM
biggest bust since dolly parton appeared on hew haw
JDSmith
08-18-2005, 06:04 PM
Didn't we get rid of Jimmy Smith because he had a string of nagging injuries? I'm sure everyone then was saying he was a bust. Now, when people look back we all attack the stupidity of the Cowboys for ever letting him go.
No, we got rid of Jimmy Smith because his appendix burst and he ended up with a systemic infection of some sort and the team doctors said he'd never be able to play football again. I don't recall him being hurt prior to that.
Juke99
08-18-2005, 06:06 PM
Didn't we get rid of Jimmy Smith because he had a string of nagging injuries? I'm sure everyone then was saying he was a bust. Now, when people look back we all attack the stupidity of the Cowboys for ever letting him go.
Much as letting Smith go turned out to be a bad move, don't forget, the Eagles signed him after we released him...and they cut him also.
So, I've always given the Cowboys a half a pass on this move.
ConcordCowboy
08-18-2005, 06:08 PM
Funny thing...we (and I am as guilty as anyone) label a player a "bust" when the real bust was the person/people who chose him...
He had injury issues in college...it was a gamble that now appears to have not been worth it.
His upside never struck me as being strong enough to warrant being selected as high as he was...especially considering the downside we are now seeing.
That's why the Canty pick was so good. He has a very good upside but we only used a 4th to get him. That was a risk/reward selection that made sense.
The Rogers pick on the other hand appears to be quite something else.
Yes the Bust here is Parcells for drafting him...with his injury history.
ive read everything i can find and nowhere have i seen where its certain
that rogers is having surgery . did i miss something on one of the radio
spots ?? if so please tell me more. i heard the PC today and parcells
wouldnt say for sure if he was getting surgery or not.
Juke99
08-18-2005, 06:12 PM
Yes the Bust here is Parcells for drafting him...with his injury history.
..and I don't wanna be harsh on him because the draft is a total crap shoot...but with the history that Rogers had...with Parcells dislike for players even being in the trainer's room, it surprised me that he made this selection.
ive read everything i can find and nowhere have i seen where its certain
that rogers is having surgery . did i miss something on one of the radio
spots ?? if so please tell me more. i heard the PC today and parcells
wouldnt say for sure if he was getting surgery or not.
no, your not missing anything.
The original poster missed the key word "may".
no, your not missing anything.
The original poster missed the key word "may".
okay good..i guess if i am going to stay on here i have got to learn
to overreact and jump to conclusions and pick favorites and have
agendas and all that stuff. j/k of course
Billy Bullocks
08-18-2005, 06:23 PM
If they even out, its all good. Ill give BP a bad 2nd rounder, if that does happen. Plus hes been pretty damn good about most of his pics. I think that Peterman needs to cut down mental errors, and we'll be cool. If Parcells walks away with Jonse and Peterman, and Rogers as a failure, then last years draft wont look so bad. But if only Jones pans out, we may be in trouble. Come on Patrick Crayton
arglebargle
08-18-2005, 06:31 PM
Do injuries really make you a bust? I mean I guess so, but then again, maybe he'sjust soft
Injuries can make you a bust, IMHO, when the coaches and scouts chose the player, knowing that there were injury issues. Normally I say no, but in this instance, they had to know. So, yes, he could be a bust.
I also think that no one past the second round can be a bust, since there is so great a risk of them not panning out anyway. Just my view...
DLK150
08-18-2005, 06:36 PM
Assuming Rogers does need surgery, maybe it could turn out. If it's bad enough for him to miss significant time, he can be put on IR, have an entire year to heal and have one more shot at a make or break attempt next year. It would be better than just releasing him and seeing a 2nd round pick go down so quickly.
I don't want to see him end up a bust, but after what I've read about his injury history, it's not looking too good for him right now.
noshame
08-18-2005, 07:30 PM
A Tackle with three shoulder clean-outs in college, good choice Bill. What does a tackle use more than any other OL.......
IMO this was a quick fix attempt for Bill. Rodgers, when healthy; was as good a pass blocker as you can find in college, could have plugged right in our OL last year. Bill took a 20/1 long shot and went bust.
Banned_n_austin
08-18-2005, 07:32 PM
thats the easy way to make the team. he better have something major done or theyll just release him once he heals. biggest bust since goodrich. the guy needs a shrink more than a trainer. dont worry it appears we hit a jackpot with pettiti.
What do you mean?
Pettity was getting owned vs. the Cards ...
Hiero
08-18-2005, 07:32 PM
IF this is true, we seriously might as well cut the guy, he's never gonna be healthy enough to play.
Banned_n_austin
08-18-2005, 07:35 PM
A Tackle with three shoulder clean-outs in college, good choice Bill. What does a tackle use more than any other OL.......
IMO this was a quick fix attempt for Bill. Rodgers, when healthy; was as good a pass blocker as you can find in college, could have plugged right in our OL last year. Bill took a 20/1 long shot and went bust.
Sup Shame?
noshame
08-18-2005, 07:38 PM
Sup Shame?
Just watching the LT posistion flush... :banghead:
Banned_n_austin
08-18-2005, 07:39 PM
Just watching the LT posistion flush... :banghead:
Sucks after watching that game, huh?
JackMagist
08-18-2005, 07:49 PM
As much as I like to find fault with Parcells the question still occurs to me:
How much of this was Parcells fault and how much was the Scouting Department? Did they get BP all of the medical info on Rogers?
It just does not sound like Parcells to take a player with so many injuries. Taking a tackle with multiple shoulder surgeries is beyond stupid and I have a hard time believing that BP would select him if he had all the facts. Notice how much better our draft looks with Ireland in charge than with Lacewell in charge. Also remember that in 2004 Parcells stayed home and watched film and did not go to the combine or to the Senior Bowl; he relied on reports from the Scouting Dept. for the things you can't see on film. In 2004 Parcells took Rogers (high probability of bust), Ryan (jury still out), and B. Thornton (the invisible CB); I just can't believe that a thorough study was done on these guys.
big dog cowboy
08-18-2005, 08:14 PM
Didn't we get rid of Jimmy Smith because he had a string of nagging injuries? I'm sure everyone then was saying he was a bust. Now, when people look back we all attack the stupidity of the Cowboys for ever letting him go.
The only people who look back and attack the Cowboys for the decision made to cut Jimmy Smith are the ones who don't fully understand the entire situation at the time. It was the correct thing to do.
This topic is poorly named. It is pure speculation by a poster. It should be changed.
Dayton Cowboy
08-18-2005, 08:32 PM
ive read everything i can find and nowhere have i seen where its certain
that rogers is having surgery . did i miss something on one of the radio
spots ?? if so please tell me more. i heard the PC today and parcells
wouldnt say for sure if he was getting surgery or not.
Mickey and Bill Jones were speculating after the PC that Roger's injury is not an MCL sprain but damage to the cartilage. They also discussed two ways of approaching it. One you rest it, the other is surgical which basically would put Rogers out up to 12 weeks.. At least I believe thats what they were saying. They talked about a player on a different team(can not remember who) that had damage to the MCL and ended up having the surgery.
SA_Gunslinger
08-18-2005, 11:11 PM
i don't know where you get your info, but i haven't seen anything that would suggest that he would be done for the season.
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