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Doomsday101

06-25-2004, 02:28 PM

QC, heading into camp last season. Be trueful!

Not me, but 75% of this board thought Hutch was a star in the making.

So once Again who thought Hucth was better than QC, Period!!!

Looking at both players rookie season I think they were about even, the biggest differance one guy entered the league right out of college football ranks, the other had not played in 4 years yet compare the 2 QB's rookie season. I think Hutch has better passing skills than Carter but that does not matter if you putting the ball on the ground as Hutch as done. I guess that makes me a hater of Hutchinson too. After all he is the one who is wet behind the ears but not many were hollering about him playing behind a poor line or his lack of a running game. Sorry but this is very hypocitical to bend over backwards to defend Carter yet rag on Hutchinson.

aikemirv

06-25-2004, 02:33 PM

Here's one for ya, I still think he's better. :D

I really think he will end up having a better NFL career than QC also.

LaTunaNostra

06-25-2004, 02:33 PM

Here's one for ya, I still think he's better. :D
Bahaha, Juke!!!!

Juke99

06-25-2004, 02:35 PM

Looking at both players rookie season I think they were about even, the biggest differance one guy entered the league right out of college football ranks, the other had not played in 4 years yet compare the 2 QB's rookie season. I think Hutch has better passing skills than Carter but that does not matter if you putting the ball on the ground as Hutch as done. I guess that makes me a hater of Hutchinson too. After all he is the one who is wet behind the ears but not many were hollering about him playing behind a poor line or his lack of a running game. Sorry but this is very hypocitical to bend over backwards to defend Carter yet rag on Hutchinson.

BINGO. Ultimately, I root for whomever is behind center. I root for the final score, no matter how we get there. I find it harder to root for guys like Testaverde than our homegrown guys.

That said, Hutch was out of the game, COMPLETELY for 4 years, two years ago he replaced Carter, who had one NFL season under his belt and a collegiate career, and yet their numbers were almost identical.

That's not exactly impressive.

I don't think either of them are NFL caliber QB's. I only hope Henson, or Romo shine.

Juke99

06-25-2004, 02:36 PM

Bahaha, Juke!!!!

Ah HH, I do love to make you smile. :)

Hollywood Henderson

06-25-2004, 02:37 PM

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 02:39 PM

BINGO. Ultimately, I root for whomever is behind center. I root for the final score, no matter how we get there. I find it harder to root for guys like Testaverde than our homegrown guys.

That said, Hutch was out of the game, COMPLETELY for 4 years, two years ago he replaced Carter, who had one NFL season under his belt and a collegiate career, and yet their numbers were almost identical.

That's not exactly impressive.

I don't think either of them are NFL caliber QB's. I only hope Henson, or Romo shine.

But Quincy had another new system and an OC and owner out to get him. ;)

Juke99

06-25-2004, 02:41 PM

Yep, I think anyone & everyone who has seen them both pass KNOWS Hutch is by far a better passer...

Lets see, the first year Q was just trying to learn how to take a snap...
2nd year, trying to not throw knuckle balls...
3rd year, work on not fumbling when not even being hit...

For that matter, he is still trying to learn all those things...

Lets hope a real NFL QB emerges!

The guy I can't stand in all of this is neither Carter or Hutch....Carter has a great work ethic, how can you not admire that? And Hutch, well after watching the beating he took that year and how tough he is, I gained respect for him. That offensive line they played behind that year might have been the worst I have ever seen.

The guy I can't stand in all of this is JERRY!

Ya know it still amazes me how thin the talent on this team is because of his decisions....and that's after having THREE 5-11 seasons and prime draft position.

LaTunaNostra

06-25-2004, 02:54 PM

Ah HH, I do love to make you smile. :)
And you DO come out with some good ones.

You know what, Juke?

After just experiencing the exhileration of saying once again what I think about Mr GALLOWASTE, and indulging in the purifying process of unadulterated playuh hatin' (it's a GOOD kind of "hate", clears the air, and w/o any real malice towards a player) I realized that open trashing of players, which is a right and a "rite" of fandom, is what is actually MISSING in this endless Carter-Hutch debate.

We're all so nervous about being labeled hater or apologist, we don't do what fans of other teams do with such joyous abandon - God only knows Jets fans do it 24/7- trash the team!

Or maybe it's just you're such a genteel crowd, or just so used to winning, calling a scrub a scrub doesn't come easy to you.

But at this point in the long debate, I would love to see some honest, open, sincere trashing in the vein of "Quincy can't hit the side of a barn door", and "Hutch couldn't see a rush coming if it gave him an engraved invitation" type nonsense. We don't even do that on the smack board here.

I mean, they both suck, so let's freaking revel it, and revile Jerry for it!! :p

jacs

06-25-2004, 03:01 PM

QC, heading into camp last season. Be trueful!

Not me, but 75% of this board thought Hutch was a star in the making.

So once Again who thought Hucth was better than QC, Period!!!

i thought Hutchinson would win the starting job but Carter outplayed him

Little Jr

06-25-2004, 03:02 PM

The only thing that Q is better at is pocket presence. Don't give me mobility. I don't count mobility when you don't use it or when you do use it you make horrible decisons.

Yeagermeister

06-25-2004, 03:15 PM

I really think he will end up having a better NFL career than QC also.

I wish him luck but I hope it's for a different team.

aikemirv

06-25-2004, 03:16 PM

I wish him luck but I hope it's for a different team.

I would bet that it would be, although I would rather keep him than Romo.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 03:17 PM

QC, heading into camp last season. Be trueful!

Not me, but 75% of this board thought Hutch was a star in the making.

So once Again who thought Hucth was better than QC, Period!!!

who in the name of drunken norse gods cares? is there any reason you need to bring this up in such a SLAM IN YOUR FACE manner? you gonna bend it over WHEN q is gone soon and take it all back in the same manner you dish it out?

Juke99

06-25-2004, 03:22 PM

And you DO come out with some good ones.

You know what, Juke?

After just experiencing the exhileration of saying once again what I think about Mr GALLOWASTE, and indulging in the purifying process of unadulterated playuh hatin' (it's a GOOD kind of "hate", clears the air, and w/o any real malice towards a player) I realized that open trashing of players, which is a right and a "rite" of fandom, is what is actually MISSING in this endless Carter-Hutch debate.

We're all so nervous about being labeled hater or apologist, we don't do what fans of other teams do with such joyous abandon - God only knows Jets fans do it 24/7- trash the team!

Or maybe it's just you're such a genteel crowd, or just so used to winning, calling a scrub a scrub doesn't come easy to you.

But at this point in the long debate, I would love to see some honest, open, sincere trashing in the vein of "Quincy can't hit the side of a barn door", and "Hutch couldn't see a rush coming if it gave him an engraved invitation" type nonsense. We don't even do that on the smack board here.

I mean, they both suck, so let's freaking revel it, and revile Jerry for it!! :p

ah HH, if you weren't already married...
:D

TwoDeep3

06-25-2004, 03:28 PM

I have always maintained that Hutch had better physical tools than Quincy.

That is where it ends for me.

But I also think comparing a player who had played football for the last four years versus a player who had been out of football was idiotic.

They were never on the same level as far as I was concerned.

That is why I never compared them. To suggest Quincy was not ahead of Hutch was foolish by some.

To think Quincy was greatly ahead of Hutch ignores the stats after nboth played in the 2002 season.

Hutch should have been groomed. Quincy saw to it he was not by acting like a moron and getting benched.

But at no time have I ever thought Hutch would take the job from Quincy. Nor should he.

But I did think that if they gave Hutch a reasonable time to learn the game and get back into football shape both physically and mentally, that the competition would be much closer than what we have seen.

I might not bet against Hutch then.

junk

06-25-2004, 03:53 PM

I'm willing to hitch my star to whatever QB Tuna chooses. And support him as the starter, be it Vin, Q, Tony, Hutch or Henson. But right now the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys is named Quincy Carter, and ripping him up and down the board ad nauseum, ad infinitum is unseemly, and frankly, pitiful. Bill WILL play the best player, and for now it's Carter. What Vinnie once was, or Henson may someday be is irrevelant.

After just experiencing the exhileration of saying once again what I think about Mr GALLOWASTE, and indulging in the purifying process of unadulterated playuh hatin' (it's a GOOD kind of "hate", clears the air, and w/o any real malice towards a player) I realized that open trashing of players, which is a right and a "rite" of fandom, is what is actually MISSING in this endless Carter-Hutch debate.

We're all so nervous about being labeled hater or apologist, we don't do what fans of other teams do with such joyous abandon - God only knows Jets fans do it 24/7- trash the team!

But at this point in the long debate, I would love to see some honest, open, sincere trashing in the vein of "Quincy can't hit the side of a barn door", and "Hutch couldn't see a rush coming if it gave him an engraved invitation" type nonsense. We don't even do that on the smack board here.

I mean, they both suck, so let's freaking revel it, and revile Jerry for it!! :p

Flip Flop.

LaTunaNostra

06-25-2004, 04:02 PM

Uhh, that was a facetious (look it up) post to a friend.

One with a sense of humour, I might add, which greatly enhances the atmosphere here.

(Juke, you're tops!)

Rack Bauer

06-25-2004, 04:02 PM

Yep, I think anyone & everyone who has seen them both pass KNOWS Hutch is by far a better passer

You knowledge of the game, or rather lack thereof, shining through!

Hutch throws harder, I'll give him that.

My Problem Is Obvious

06-25-2004, 04:12 PM

Juke99

06-25-2004, 04:14 PM

(Juke, you're tops!)

... taking a bow...banging my head on the computer desk

Awwwww shucks....

annnnnd...I even know what "facetious" means, without the dictionary in hand.

peering around to see if HOS saw HH call me "tops"

Oh the envious mud slingers will be out in full force tonight!

:D

junk

06-25-2004, 04:35 PM

Uhh, that was a facetious (look it up) post to a friend.

One with a sense of humour, I might add, which greatly enhances the atmosphere here.

(Juke, you're tops!)

And that plain text was easily distinguished as humor how? I was just giving you a hard time for dogging the QC critics and then coming back with the same type of behavior yourself. No need to try to look down your nose at me by insinuating (look it up :D ) that I don't know what facetious means.

You flip flopped on other issues, no reason for me to think that you didn't here as well. Sorry if I misinterpreted the gist of your post.

LaTunaNostra

06-25-2004, 04:35 PM

... taking a bow...banging my head on the computer desk

Awwwww shucks....

annnnnd...I even know what "facetious" means, without the dictionary in hand.

peering around to see if HOS saw HH call me "tops"

Oh the envious mud slingers will be out in full force tonight!

I'm just buttering you up for the signature pic of all signature pics. :o

Remember the puppet string motif to the Godfather films, Juke? The hands with the strings logo that was the GF's symbol?

Imagine those strings pulled by a stern and omnipotent Bill Parcells in his dark blue Cowboys sweatshirt, or in his blue dress suit. Dangling from the strings are action figures of AB, Terry, and Key. (or the QBS, same theme)

On the masthead, "La Tuna Nostra".

Just a thought.

I'm out for the weekend.

Have a good one, all! :D

Later!

Juke99

06-25-2004, 04:40 PM

I'm just buttering you up for the signature pic of all signature pics. :o

Remember the puppet string motif to the Godfather films, Juke? The hands with the strings logo that was the GF's symbol?

Imagine those strings pulled by a stern and omnipotent Bill Parcells in his dark blue Cowboys sweatshirt, or in his blue dress suit. Dangling from the strings are action figures of AB, Terry, and Key. (or the QBS, same theme)

On the masthead, "La Tuna Nostra".

Just a thought.

I'm out for the weekend.

Have a good one, all! :D

Later!

Well, it worked...

Have a good one....I'll have it done for ya in a few days.

jterrell

06-25-2004, 04:52 PM

Looking at both players rookie season I think they were about even, the biggest differance one guy entered the league right out of college football ranks, the other had not played in 4 years yet compare the 2 QB's rookie season. I think Hutch has better passing skills than Carter but that does not matter if you putting the ball on the ground as Hutch as done. I guess that makes me a hater of Hutchinson too. After all he is the one who is wet behind the ears but not many were hollering about him playing behind a poor line or his lack of a running game. Sorry but this is very hypocitical to bend over backwards to defend Carter yet rag on Hutchinson.
Carter won 3 games as a rookie. Hutch won 2. Hutch LOOKED better but had worse results where it counted.

Therein lies the difference. Carter can and always will win more games while not necessarily looking great or even good. BP realized this thus Hutch is getting a bus ticket soon while Carter is starting.

Hutch may not even be in the league this year and if he is it will probably be on a practice squad somewhere.

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 05:00 PM

Carter won 3 games as a rookie. Hutch won 2. Hutch LOOKED better but had worse results where it counted.

Therein lies the difference. Carter can and always will win more games while not necessarily looking great or even good. BP realized this thus Hutch is getting a bus ticket soon while Carter is starting.

Hutch may not even be in the league this year and if he is it will probably be on a practice squad somewhere.

The 2002 OL was terrible. The team stopped playing after Emmitt got the record. Hutchinson had not played in 4 years and he still had equal numbers and only lost 1 more game than Carter who came from college.

Yeah, I can see where you can draw the Carter can win, but Hutchinson will be on a practice squad at best, assumption. :rolleyes:

iceberg

06-25-2004, 05:10 PM

Carter won 3 games as a rookie. Hutch won 2. Hutch LOOKED better but had worse results where it counted.

Therein lies the difference. Carter can and always will win more games while not necessarily looking great or even good. BP realized this thus Hutch is getting a bus ticket soon while Carter is starting.

Hutch may not even be in the league this year and if he is it will probably be on a practice squad somewhere.

so, since carter barely beat out hutch, and hutch won't even be in the league in a year, is that really a ringing endorsement for carter?

TwoDeep3

06-25-2004, 05:11 PM

Hutch will not qualify for the practice squad. He has suited up for too many games.

BHendri5

06-25-2004, 05:12 PM

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 05:13 PM

Hutch will not qualify for the practice squad. He has suited up for too many games.

Since when does accuracy matter, when it comes to supporting Carter by putting down Hutchinson?

ABQCOWBOY

06-25-2004, 05:20 PM

I am with others. I don't understand the point of this thread but OK.

Here are the statistical comparisons on each QBs rookie seasons. Not what you asked but probably the fairest way to compare them.

Hutchinson

G 9/GS 9, ATT 250/Comp 127/Comp % 50.8, Yds 1555/YPA 6.22/YPC 12.24, TD 7/INT 8

Rush ATT 18, Yds 74, APC 4.1, TDs 0, Fmbl 12/Lost 8.

Carter

G 8/GS 8, ATT 176/Comp 90/Comp % 51.1, Yds 1072/YPA 6.09/YPC 11.91, TD 5/INT 7

Rush ATT 45, Yds 150, APC 3.3 TDs 1, Fmbl 5/Lost 2.

Somebody mentioned that Carter came right from College to the NFL and I think that is an important point. On the other hand, to be fair, Hutchinson probably had more actual time to get ready for the season since he was signed early and did not have to wait to be drafted. Does it balance out? I don't know but those are the facts.

If you look at those stats, I think they bare out what we all know to be true. Hutchinson is probably the superior passer. The problem is that he puts the ball on the turf. His numbers, IMO, are superior or equal to Carters in everything except fumbles and that's key. I believe the line play in Carters rookie year was probably better but that's certainly debatable.

As far as last year, I don't know that there is a question to be answered. Hutchinson never really got the opportunity to compete with Carter and so, Carter was better because he was really the only one who got the opportunity. I don't think he beat Hutchinson out, which is not to say that he couldn't. Only that there really was no compatition. If we can believe what Dale and others said last year, it was pretty evident from practices who the starter would be.

Either way, this is really of no importance IMO. Hutchinson is probably the odd man out. If he finds success in the NFL, it will probably have to be on another team. Carter has it all in front of him and a player really couldn't ask for more. Either way, we should finally know more by mid season.

twa

06-25-2004, 05:35 PM

why waste time arguing,both have major holes in thier game and never should have had a chance to be the starter for the boys.H ;) ell even Pueller was better.

ABQCOWBOY

06-25-2004, 05:37 PM

why waste time arguing,both have major holes in thier game and never should have had a chance to be the starter for the boys.H ;) ell even Pueller was better.

And when you cut through all the BS, that my friends, is what you have left.

Good show twa.

MichaelWinicki

06-25-2004, 05:43 PM

Here's one for ya, I still think he's better. :D

I'm with you Juke.

twa

06-25-2004, 05:51 PM

I'm with you Juke.
I'll jump in and agree ,mainly because he is a better passer which is a qb's main quality.This is like trying to choose between a one legged man and a one arm man :D

Juke99

06-25-2004, 06:03 PM

I'm with you Juke.

I agree with me too.

:D

Little Jr

06-25-2004, 06:04 PM

Q sucks.

There, the debate is over!!

MichaelWinicki

06-25-2004, 06:11 PM

I agree with me too.

:D

But Juke can I walk this way?

no, no,

this way.

MichaelWinicki

06-25-2004, 06:13 PM

Q sucks.

There, the debate is over!!

Would the mods please close this thread now?

The Q/Hutch debate is officially over.

Ken

06-25-2004, 06:43 PM

iceberg

06-25-2004, 06:48 PM

Funny how non of these bashers or excuse makers have answered the question.

i could be mistaken, and i certainly don't speak for everyone, but there's a better than average chance it could be BECAUSE WE'RE TIRED OF THE QUESTION!

but i'm out on a limb here.

and as long as there's a debate, your boy ain't won, has he? face it, he's a pueller, a sweeny, a hogeboom just like hutch, but different.

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 06:56 PM

Funny how non of these bashers or excuse makers have answered the question.

I will take their answers as they thought Hutch was the better qb going into camp last year which renders their football Iq pretty much a non- factor in this thread.

Yet they still can't admit that they were wrong.

It is really pretty easy to do. I would respect a lot more of you a heck of a lot more if you would just admit the obvious and we can move on to the QC/Vinny debate.

It's the so-called "lovers" that keep bringing it up.

I'll toss a question back at you, if you are so confident in Carter, why do you need to keep painting Hutchinson as awful? They posted equal numbers as rookies, even with Hutchinson being away from football for 4 years. Carter still needed to compete with this awful QB in camp last year and was not named the starter until after week 3 of the preseason.

So if Hutchinson is awful and anyone that thought he had a chance was stupid, where does that leave Carter and his followers?

I'd say that if Hutch is awful, Quincy who barely beat him out would be what, bad?
So you guys are touting a bad QB and taunting others for it. That really sky rockets your football IQ. :rolleyes:

Juke99

06-25-2004, 06:59 PM

But Juke can I walk this way?

no, no,

this way.

Suit yourself, I'm easy.

Ah a true classic....I should start my own board...YoungFrankenZone.com :D

Ken

06-25-2004, 07:04 PM

It's the so-called "lovers" that keep bringing it up.

I'll toss a question back at you, if you are so confident in Carter, why do you need to keep painting Hutchinson as awful? They posted equal numbers as rookies, even with Hutchinson being away from football for 4 years. Carter still needed to compete with this awful QB in camp last year and was not named the starter until after week 3 of the preseason.

So if Hutchinson is awful and anyone that thought he had a chance was stupid, where does that leave Carter and his followers?

I'd say that if Hutch is awful, Quincy who barely beat him out would be what, bad?
So you guys are touting a bad QB and taunting others for it. That really sky rockets your football IQ. :rolleyes:

Wow.

You really think the qb competition was close last year? Didn't Hutch not even participate in the last two preseason games? I'd say that was a blowout by Carter considering he wasn't even supposed to make the team last year, wouldn't you?

Did Hutch see any meaningful time on the football field last year while Carter played?

I'm not painting Hutch as awful, his play in Europe did that. I am merely responding to the football challenged who refuse to answer a question that is the topic of this thread. If this thread was about comparing rookie numbers between the two, i could understand the type of responses we saw.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 07:19 PM

Wow.

You really think the qb competition was close last year? Didn't Hutch not even participate in the last two preseason games? I'd say that was a blowout by Carter considering he wasn't even supposed to make the team last year, wouldn't you?

Did Hutch see any meaningful time on the football field last year while Carter played?

I'm not painting Hutch as awful, his play in Europe did that. I am merely responding to the football challenged who refuse to answer a question that is the topic of this thread. If this thread was about comparing rookie numbers between the two, i could understand the type of responses we saw.

do you ever listen to yourself? blowout? hell, going into camp he was dogfood, now he blew out hutch. and oh yea, the coach who wanted to start romo.

the thread is about dense people who paint what they see their way. the dismissal of galloways quote of parcells saying he disliked carter less isn't a ringing endorsement, but he blew away hutch. point blank, hutch hurt hutch, carter was left over.

look up objectivity. then work on it long and hard and come back and laugh at you with us. you'll thank yourself.

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 07:23 PM

Wow.

You really think the qb competition was close last year? Didn't Hutch not even participate in the last two preseason games? I'd say that was a blowout by Carter considering he wasn't even supposed to make the team last year, wouldn't you?

Did Hutch see any meaningful time on the football field last year while Carter played?

I'm not painting Hutch as awful, his play in Europe did that. I am merely responding to the football challenged who refuse to answer a question that is the topic of this thread. If this thread was about comparing rookie numbers between the two, i could understand the type of responses we saw.

The question was meant to taunt and cause more bad blood, that is the ONLY purpose it served.

Football challenged is blindly supporting an woefully average QB that did barely beat out another woefully average QB. Playing so well afterwards that the team brought in another prospect and a 40 year old to compete for the job this year.

FYI, according to you guys Hutchinson was going to be cut on the 14th of June when the NFLE roster exemptions came in. Well it's 11 days and counting, there you football Einsteins.

Ken

06-25-2004, 07:27 PM

do you ever listen to yourself? blowout? hell, going into camp he was dogfood, now he blew out hutch. and oh yea, the coach who wanted to start romo.

the thread is about dense people who paint what they see their way. the dismissal of galloways quote of parcells saying he disliked carter less isn't a ringing endorsement, but he blew away hutch. point blank, hutch hurt hutch, carter was left over.

look up objectivity. then work on it long and hard and come back and laugh at you with us. you'll thank yourself.

Maybe i should have put "supposed" in qoutes for you. It was guys like you who said he wouldn't make the team. I was merely emphasizing how decisively Carter won that competition last year that you tried painting as "Close". If Hutch went into the competition as the favorite and ends up not playing in the 2 final preseason games, not playing in the regular season, and being banished to Europe where he floundered. did Carter not win the competition in a landslide?

Is Galloway here anymore? Is Carter here? Ok, my case is closed on that subject which obviously has no merit.

I don't need to look up objectivity, I am not trying to be objective. The facts are on my side. I have no need to sugar coat Hutch's failure.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 07:31 PM

Maybe i should have put "supposed" in qoutes for you. It was guys like you who said he wouldn't make the team. I was merely emphasizing how decisively Carter won that competition last year that you tried painting as "Close". If Hutch went into the competition as the favorite and ends up not playing in the 2 final preseason games, not playing in the regular season, and being banished to Europe where he floundered. did Carter not win the competition in a landslide?

Is Galloway here anymore? Is Carter here? Ok, my case is closed on that subject which obviously has no merit.

I don't need to look up objectivity, I am not trying to be objective. The facts are on my side. I have no need to sugar coat Hutch's failure.

facts are not on your side nearly as much as opinions are.

aikman had to beat out walsh. NO ONE EVER was brought in after him to replace him.

brady doesn't have qb after qb brought in for "competition" sake.

carr, harrington - they got anyone they have to "compete" with this offseason.

there's a reason carters always fighting for his job. you can let your facts keep you warm at night, but i'd suggest a blanket when carters run ends soon.

if he easily beat out anyone, we'd not still be looking for our answer here, him or not.

carter/galloway comparisons? i ain't biting on that side battle into the void as it's totally irrelevant to carters future on this team.

"banished to europe where he floundered" - hell, quigs, that you? the post is short as hell, but the drama is as high as me.

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 07:34 PM

Ken

06-25-2004, 07:41 PM

Criticize Carter and you are hoping for him to fail and are not a "true" fan.

Take true satisfaction in Hutchinson not lighting up NFLE and gleefully chant, "We told you so," all the way to the TRUE FAN Hall of Fame! :rolleyes:

I guess because I am able to recognize a good qb from a bad one, this makes me less of a fan?

Believe me, I would rather talk about something else but the ignorance in this thread needs to be addressed.

Sorry.

Ken

06-25-2004, 07:48 PM

facts are not on your side nearly as much as opinions are.

aikman had to beat out walsh. NO ONE EVER was brought in after him to replace him.

brady doesn't have qb after qb brought in for "competition" sake.

carr, harrington - they got anyone they have to "compete" with this offseason.

there's a reason carters always fighting for his job. you can let your facts keep you warm at night, but i'd suggest a blanket when carters run ends soon.

if he easily beat out anyone, we'd not still be looking for our answer here, him or not.

carter/galloway comparisons? i ain't biting on that side battle into the void as it's totally irrelevant to carters future on this team.

"banished to europe where he floundered" - hell, quigs, that you? the post is short as hell, but the drama is as high as me.

It's friday, it has been a long week, by any chance, are we drinking tonight?

So your telling me that Vinny is "Competition" and not just a veteran back up who can mentor Carter and Henson? Vinny is the backup. Would you care to wager that point?

I am glad you see a 41 year old qb as a viable option for an NFL 16 game season.

Bringing Aikman into this arguement is silly anyway. When did I compare him to Aikman? I merely said that Carter was better than Hutch. I didn't say he was better than Aikman. Also, you really think Henson is going to "compete" with Carter this year to start? If henson starts, we are in for a long season, i will tell you that.

I also didn't compare him to Brady. I don't think Carter is a franchise qb. THose two qbs obviously are. You don't need franchise qbs to win in this league.

I do not think that I will be responding to you posts anymore, so don't be offended.

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 07:49 PM

I guess because I am able to recognize a good qb from a bad one, this makes me less of a fan?

Believe me, I would rather talk about something else but the ignorance in this thread needs to be addressed.

Sorry.

Where is this good QB? Oximoron alert.

Talking about ignorance and then calling a QB with a career 70 QB rating and more INTs than TDs good, is just too ironic.

Nors

06-25-2004, 07:55 PM

I went pro Quincy bigtime after Parcells was named coach.

History:

Quincy rookie year scared the crap out of me. One hoppers, flutter balls and was anti QC at the time though he did finish strong post injury.

Chad was brought in ala 3 years sans no football. I was somewhat caught up in his 6-5 strong armed prototype QB. When 3-4 Dallas left Arizona I was ok with switch. I was wrong. After watching Hutch fumble through a 2-7 disaster, it BECAME CLEAR!

After reading Parcells books, Quincy was CLEARLY the QB that gave the TEAM the best chance to win.

That said I think Quincy has shown increased arm strength,leadership dedication to preparation and is going to win the job this year and will probably improve further. I think he is viewed higher by Parcells than thought of here candidly. Latuna - you listen anld read all Tuna? You sense Quincy is becoming a Parcell player?

Chad? Henson? Don't be so fast to hitch to that wagon. Bumpy ride are wagons at NFL speed.

Nors

06-25-2004, 07:56 PM

It's friday, it has been a long week, by any chance, are we drinking tonight?

So your telling me that Vinny is "Competition" and not just a veteran back up who can mentor Carter and Henson? Vinny is the backup. Would you care to wager that point?

I am glad you see a 41 year old qb as a viable option for an NFL 16 game season.

Bringing Aikman into this arguement is silly anyway. When did I compare him to Aikman? I merely said that Carter was better than Hutch. I didn't say he was better than Aikman. Also, you really think Henson is going to "compete" with Carter this year to start? If henson starts, we are in for a long season, i will tell you that.

I also didn't compare him to Brady. I don't think Carter is a franchise qb. THose two qbs obviously are. You don't need franchise qbs to win in this league.

I do not think that I will be responding to you posts anymore, so don't be offended.

If 41 year old Vinnie is the answer. What is
the question?

Ken

06-25-2004, 08:00 PM

Where is this good QB? Oximoron alert.

Talking about ignorance and then calling a QB with a career 70 QB rating and more INTs than TDs good, is just too ironic.

Are Carr and Harrington good?

Check their qb ratings and int/td ratios.

Then check when they last made the playoffs.

Then check how many 3rd year qbs do much better than Carter did. Then analyze the offensive personell, circumstancesand playcalling that was involved in generating those stats.

Then, realize that stats don't always tell the whole story. I am not going to go into detail, but I can assure you that I've watched all of the games from last year multiple times, his stats are not indicitive of how he played in most of the games. You can dispute it, but until you've put in the time I have in watching and analyzing last years games, you probably are blinded by the stats.

MichaelWinicki

06-25-2004, 08:04 PM

Suit yourself, I'm easy.

Ah a true classic....I should start my own board...YoungFrankenZone.com :D

You are correct sir.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 08:06 PM

It's friday, it has been a long week, by any chance, are we drinking tonight?

i drink every night - what's that got to do with it.

later you said something about not replying to me anymore.

thanks.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 08:08 PM

twa

06-25-2004, 08:10 PM

If 41 year old Vinnie is the answer. What is
the question?
Maybe the question is who is a competent Qb.Vinnie is the answer and I don't even like him. ;)

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 08:13 PM

Are Carr and Harrington good?

Check their qb ratings and int/td ratios.

Then check when they last made the playoffs.

Then check how many 3rd year qbs do much better than Carter did. Then analyze the offensive personell, circumstancesand playcalling that was involved in generating those stats.

Then, realize that stats don't always tell the whole story. I am not going to go into detail, but I can assure you that I've watched all of the games from last year multiple times, his stats are not indicitive of how he played in most of the games. You can dispute it, but until you've put in the time I have in watching and analyzing last years games, you probably are blinded by the stats.

You can watch them a thousand times each and it still won't make Carter a GOOD QB.

Adjectives I'd suggest instead if you want to have any credibility: Average, mediocre, adequate, middle of the pack, middle of the road, run of the mill, bus driver, for now, stop gap, or bridge to the future.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 08:15 PM

Maybe the question is who is a competent Qb.Vinnie is the answer and I don't even like him. ;)

the fact of the matter is we're still looking for our leader. no one has steped up, no one has distanced themselves from question.

so we keep looking.

many are ok with that, the carter crowd feels you're overlooking carter.

smart people are pretty much done listening to that crap. ok, you got me. people are for the most part done with the qb debates and the rational fans realizes we need a qb. the rest are trying to sell us carter.

i ain't buying. if i bought into hutch it's probably because i didn't buy into carter. hutch not making it in dallas doesn't mean carter's good.

it means hutch didn't make it in dallas.

wild how it gets f'd up from there.

(ken, i'm drinking tonight - don't let logic get by you!)

ABQCOWBOY

06-25-2004, 08:17 PM

Wow.

You really think the qb competition was close last year? Didn't Hutch not even participate in the last two preseason games? I'd say that was a blowout by Carter considering he wasn't even supposed to make the team last year, wouldn't you?

Did Hutch see any meaningful time on the football field last year while Carter played?

I'm not painting Hutch as awful, his play in Europe did that. I am merely responding to the football challenged who refuse to answer a question that is the topic of this thread. If this thread was about comparing rookie numbers between the two, i could understand the type of responses we saw.

There was no compation in any real sense last year. I mean, of course Carter won. Of course he was better. Hutchinson never really had a chance to begin with. I guess I'm not understanding what the point of this thread is. How do you expect people to respond to this?

Nors

06-25-2004, 08:18 PM

Maybe the question is who is a competent Qb.Vinnie is the answer and I don't even like him. ;)

The question is we are in serious trouble if?

jterrell

06-25-2004, 08:22 PM

The 2002 OL was terrible. The team stopped playing after Emmitt got the record. Hutchinson had not played in 4 years and he still had equal numbers and only lost 1 more game than Carter who came from college.

Yeah, I can see where you can draw the Carter can win, but Hutchinson will be on a practice squad at best, assumption. :rolleyes:
Oy, I forget the 2001 team was awesome on the OL and just fought to the death to finish wth the same 5 win record. It must have been all the big name free agents we lost. OR perhaps seeing Hutch fumble away game after game caused the team to quit?

Hutch isnt on any team right now in essence because he is distanced from this one. The longer he hangs in limbo the worse the case for him to get a regular roster spot this year on any roster. Its possible he follows in the footsteps of Anthony Wright who spent the seaosn of his release on the PS of the Ravens. The differenc eis Wright was actually way ahead of where Hutch is at this point.

Carter started 0-2 in a horrid fashion as a rookie. He finished a strong 3-3 with noticeable improvement in just about every area. Hutch went 2-7 through 9 games and looked worse at seasons end. Teams felt they could blitz him at will because he didnt make them pay for doing so and seemed to fumble every time he was hit.

Feel free to buy stock in hutch.com. There's a sucker born every minute.

I hope Hutch gets a chnace to play and ultimately develop but he was never better than QC here and never should have played. It isnt his fault but Bruce Coslets.

I actually had this argument or a very similar one with Hutch's Dad on this forum's original site before his rookie season. I told him playing Hutch would be the worst thing they could go to the kid. He didnt see it at the time but I am sure he now agrees.

Perhaps you'd like to wager on who has a better season: QC or Hutch? Or Perhaps you want to quit while your behind and hope noone remembers you mentioning Hutch at all this off-season.

jterrell

06-25-2004, 08:27 PM

There was no compation in any real sense last year. I mean, of course Carter won. Of course he was better. Hutchinson never really had a chance to begin with. I guess I'm not understanding what the point of this thread is. How do you expect people to respond to this?
My guess is he wants people who backed Hutch over QC to come clean. He probably feels those folks will undergo some sort of reflection upon their wayward sense of Qbs and repent of QC bashing. Unfortunately he is wrong. There's plenty of people here who are so often wrong it doesnt strike them as unusual at all. If they can still knock QC after BP started him all year and brought him back as the incumbent they can argue with anything without shame.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 08:34 PM

My guess is he wants people who backed Hutch over QC to come clean.

my stance is "get over it".

qc's not won anything more than hutch has lost. 2 losers fighting for a losing cause doesn't create a winner in the end.

that's what most of us say when we say "shut up - qb is up for grabs".

cater fans hear "carter sucks". hutch fans went over there and the rest of us don't give a **** about the extremest crap and whining.

we need a qb. someone has to step up. that goes for most positions on offense.

this team isn't together yet. arguging over a piece is missing the team.

ABQCOWBOY

06-25-2004, 08:36 PM

My guess is he wants people who backed Hutch over QC to come clean. He probably feels those folks will undergo some sort of reflection upon their wayward sense of Qbs and repent of QC bashing. Unfortunately he is wrong. There's plenty of people here who are so often wrong it doesnt strike them as unusual at all. If they can still knock QC after BP started him all year and brought him back as the incumbent they can argue with anything without shame.

Well, OK, I will volunteer. I guess I can fall on my own sword as well as the next guy (or girl as the case may be). I thought Hutchinson had more talent then QC as a pro QB. Can we now move on to bigger and better things?

This board moves closer and closer to SilverStar quality everytime we do this. At some point you have to say enough.

Nors

06-25-2004, 08:37 PM

my stance is "get over it".

qc's not won anything more than hutch has lost. 2 losers fighting for a losing cause doesn't create a winner in the end.

that's what most of us say when we say "shut up - qb is up for grabs".

cater fans hear "carter sucks". hutch fans went over there and the rest of us don't give a **** about the extremest crap and whining.

we need a qb. someone has to step up. that goes for most positions on offense.

this team isn't together yet. arguging over a piece is missing the team.

Carter has started his first 3 years, has a .500 career won/loss record.

Hutch was 2-7 and deemed by Parcells flat out not ready to run an NFL offense last camp. Hutch proved he was not ready to run a NFLEurope offense yet either. Carter is clearly heads and shoulders above Hutch who today is the 5th string QB. :eek:

Capeche?

iceberg

06-25-2004, 08:37 PM

Well, OK, I will volunteer. I thought Hutchinson had more talent then QC as a pro QB. Can we now move on to bigger and better things?

no. we have to glorify carter. please genuflect 3 times in his name and move to the next level please.

Nav22

06-25-2004, 08:37 PM

They posted equal numbers as rookies, even with Hutchinson being away from football for 4 years.

Hutchinson = 2-7 record, 7 total TDs, 16 total turnovers.

Carter = 3-4 record, 8 total TDs, 10 total turnovers.

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 08:38 PM

Oy, I forget the 2001 team was awesome on the OL and just fought to the death to finish wth the same 5 win record. It must have been all the big name free agents we lost. OR perhaps seeing Hutch fumble away game after game caused the team to quit?

Hutch isnt on any team right now in essence because he is distanced from this one. The longer he hangs in limbo the worse the case for him to get a regular roster spot this year on any roster. Its possible he follows in the footsteps of Anthony Wright who spent the seaosn of his release on the PS of the Ravens. The differenc eis Wright was actually way ahead of where Hutch is at this point.

Carter started 0-2 in a horrid fashion as a rookie. He finished a strong 3-3 with noticeable improvement in just about every area. Hutch went 2-7 through 9 games and looked worse at seasons end. Teams felt they could blitz him at will because he didnt make them pay for doing so and seemed to fumble every time he was hit.

Feel free to buy stock in hutch.com. There's a sucker born every minute.

I hope Hutch gets a chnace to play and ultimately develop but he was never better than QC here and never should have played. It isnt his fault but Bruce Coslets.

I actually had this argument or a very similar one with Hutch's Dad on this forum's original site before his rookie season. I told him playing Hutch would be the worst thing they could go to the kid. He didnt see it at the time but I am sure he now agrees.

Perhaps you'd like to wager on who has a better season: QC or Hutch? Or Perhaps you want to quit while your behind and hope noone remembers you mentioning Hutch at all this off-season.

What side of this brought up Hutchinson?

The fact is NEITHER is at this point a viable NFL QB. They will both likely be AVERAGE at best, so the point of this entire thread was to start trouble.

You yourself took a, "It's all the haters causing the trouble," stance a while back.
This post, like most on this subject was started by YOUR side of this issue.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 08:39 PM

Carter has started his first 3 years, has a .500 career won/loss record.

Hutch was 2-7 and deemed by Parcells flat out not ready to run an NFL offense last camp. Hutch proved he was not ready to run a NFLEurope offense yet either. Carter is clearly heads and shoulders above Hutch who today is the 5th string QB. :eek:

Capeche?

you have 756 posts, capeche must work for you in debates a lot.

if hutch sucks that bad, then it can't be that good carter didn't blow him away.

in your rush to bash hutch, please remember he's carters only benchmark. the more hutch sucks, the easier IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN for carter.

back to you.

Nav22

06-25-2004, 08:43 PM

The guys saying they still think Chad is better than Quincy....

You're joking, right?

iceberg

06-25-2004, 08:44 PM

The guys saying they still think Chad is better than Quincy....

You're joking, right?

no, i'm saying neither are worth the time they're given in debates at this point. it goes downhill from there.

twa

06-25-2004, 08:44 PM

Have our expectations gone so low as to praise the level of play that we have gotten from our Qb's?When a 40 year old Qb is a upgrade the bar has been lowered :mad:

iceberg

06-25-2004, 08:45 PM

Have our expectations gone so low as to praise the level of play that we have gotten from our Qb's?When a 40 year old Qb is a upgrade the bar has been lowered :mad:

only if you have a carter hard on.

Nors

06-25-2004, 09:15 PM

you have 756 posts, capeche must work for you in debates a lot.

if hutch sucks that bad, then it can't be that good carter didn't blow him away.

in your rush to bash hutch, please remember he's carters only benchmark. the more hutch sucks, the easier IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN for carter.

back to you.

You are fast approaching ignore. You are not talking for me. I merely stated the fact that Hutch was not ready and Quincy gave us the better chance to win. An opinion by the way Parcells concurred.

Good luck on this board but attacking my post count with your mistortions will be short lived - JMO

Capeche compadre?

junk

06-25-2004, 09:29 PM

Cripes, they both stink. Lets find a real QB!

junk

06-25-2004, 09:29 PM

You are correct sir.

Hey Mike, whats the story behind the Burlington Northern logo? As I recall, your last avator was train related as well.

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 09:32 PM

Whatever happened to logic?

My QB is great because he won the job from your QB that is awful!

I'm through trying to explain the obvious to these guys.

Nors

06-25-2004, 09:44 PM

Whatever happened to logic?

My QB is great because he won the job from your QB that is awful!

I'm through trying to explain the obvious to these guys.

Blind+zebra = your stripes are shown
Your agenda is clear, take a step back and reanalyze your position.

Nors

06-25-2004, 09:47 PM

[QUOTE=blindzebra]Whatever happened to logic?

My QB is great because he won the job from your QB that is awful!

I'm through trying to explain the obvious to these guys.

Who said anything about QC being great, versus ChAd Horrible?
Quote that directly sir - you are making it all up.

Chad not ready to run an NFL offense today? Parcells statement..............

iceberg

06-25-2004, 10:03 PM

You are fast approaching ignore.

then please, put me on ignore

thinking isn't your strong point and no, i don't want to waste my time either.

i got no use for drama. i got no use to be proven wrong. say what you mean or shut the f up.

you wanna get cute or clever, i don't have the time.

iceberg

06-25-2004, 10:04 PM

Nors

06-25-2004, 10:17 PM

then please, put me on ignore

thinking isn't your strong point and no, i don't want to waste my time either.

i got no use for drama. i got no use to be proven wrong. say what you mean or shut the f up.

you wanna get cute or clever, i don't have the time.

?????????????nice????????????

blindzebra

06-25-2004, 10:54 PM

Blind+zebra = your stripes are shown
Your agenda is clear, take a step back and reanalyze your position.

What agenda is that?

If by agenda you mean pointing out the truely stupid, then yes I have an agenda.

If by agenda you mean I'd like to see a QB that is more than average, then yes I have an agenda.

If by agenda you mean pointing out the rampant hypocrisy that your side shows, then yes I have an agenda.

Which agenda is it? Because they all fit within this thread.

ChrisFul

06-26-2004, 12:17 AM

Rack Bauer

06-26-2004, 12:28 AM

This thread makes me hate every last one of you.

I don't know why, but this made me LMAO. :D

blindzebra

06-26-2004, 01:08 AM

billknows

06-26-2004, 01:17 AM

EGG

06-26-2004, 01:18 AM

QC, heading into camp last season. Be trueful!

Not me, but 75% of this board thought Hutch was a star in the making.

So once Again who thought Hucth was better than QC, Period!!!

You're attempting to revise the debate into something that isn't true. The whole Quincy vs Hutchinson debate had to do with potential and limitations. Quincy's arm was and is a limitation... straight up, in your face fact. Hutch's arm was an enticement to coach's and fans. The potential was there.

But here we are,,, Hutch's great arm is worthless to the Cowboys if he can't master the other aspects of being an NFL QB and we're just putting along with a QB we knew didn't have "it" to begin with...

TruBlueCowboy

06-26-2004, 06:41 AM

Where's the polling option for fans who thought both quarterbacks sucked?

p1_

06-26-2004, 07:12 AM

QC, heading into camp last season. Be trueful!

Not me, but 75% of this board thought Hutch was a star in the making.

So once Again who thought Hucth was better than QC, Period!!!

7 pages deep of this topic? Simply amazing; tells ya somethin bout the offseason, don't it?

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 07:14 AM

Why the hell is this thread still open. All it is is personal attack after personal attack.

As for the question, who's better....

Just look at the depth chart. Argument over.

This thread makes me hate every last one of you.
Honest question. Are YOU gay? Cant help it but that post made me visualize some gay dude flipping his hair back and stomping out of the room. ...."I just hate them, I hate them ALL!". Maybe some good ole red meat and a case of bud will help get that feminine side beaten back down a little. ...LOL

MichaelWinicki

06-26-2004, 07:34 AM

I don't know why, but this made me LMAO. :D

Yeah me too.

I think sometimes the mods are a bit to eager to make everyone "play nice". A little letting off steam is good for the participants and it makes for great theater. I feel the forum isn't as interesting as it was a few months ago. But I stick to it because I'm loyal and I think Reality and the mods mean well.

I like Chris. He's still brings an "edge" and some legitimate emotion to the board.

Juke99

06-26-2004, 07:41 AM

patting myself on the back

I think perhaps my posting that I STILL think Hutch is better, got the ball rolling on this thread. :)

Come on...it's only 9 pages....surely it's worth another 5 or so.

Nors

06-26-2004, 07:52 AM

What agenda is that?

If by agenda you mean pointing out the truely stupid, then yes I have an agenda.

If by agenda you mean I'd like to see a QB that is more than average, then yes I have an agenda.

If by agenda you mean pointing out the rampant hypocrisy that your side shows, then yes I have an agenda.

Which agenda is it? Because they all fit within this thread.

Parcells likes Carter, Carter won the job and Chad is the 5th string QB. CHAD = BYE BYE. Carter has the starting job again after he EARNS it. Whats it going to be next year? Henson/Vinnie suck?

MichaelWinicki

06-26-2004, 08:05 AM

Parcells likes Carter, Carter won the job and Chad is the 5th string QB. CHAD = BYE BYE. Carter has the starting job again after he EARNS it. Whats it going to be next year? Henson/Vinnie suck?

Henson/Vinnie suck? You must mean after Q is jetisoned after this season.

ghst187

06-26-2004, 08:22 AM

But Quincy had another new system and an OC and owner out to get him. ;)

Are you talking about the very same owner that drafted Q? That doesn't make much sense.
amazing how q "people" throw out all these excuses for q's crummy play, incompetence and noodle arm yet continue to bash Hutch who played under the exact same circumstances.
I admit to wanting Hutch in there this past season. Everyone knows he has a MUCH better arm and can throw pretty accurately. He definitely didn't come around in NFLE like I thought he would, still too many fumbles and not enough presence. Of course, if anyone thinks Carter would've done better in NFLE than Hutch is retarded. Carter wouldn't have had a coach babying him, scaling back the playbook, managing the clock for him, and a top rated defense making it only necessary to score 10-17 points per game to win.
I really have no idea why people so violently back q. The only reason people like me dislike him so much is because his backers continue to shove it in our face and boldy claim that q is a great qb when the only person that agrees with them is donovan mcnabb. Meanwhile, his stats radically say something different. Hopefully we won't have to endure a full year of q as now we have some more viable and promising options. I imagine this will be the last season for q and then half the people on this board will go awol.

Nav22

06-26-2004, 08:28 AM

There is no point in posting about how Carter "will be gone" after this year.

And to be fair, there's no point in posting how he'll be a Pro Bowler after this year too.

None of us have any ideas. We do know, however, that he is most likely our starter this year, and he DOES have the potential to be a good QB. Instead of hating on him or any other Cowboys QB, why don't we support them and hope they can all reach their highest level of potential possible?

"Quincy sucks!" "Chad's a bum!" "Henson's a bust!" "Vinny's a fossil!" "Romo's a homo!" (OK, I haven't seen anyone say that, but you get the point).

It's getting old. We're Cowboys fans, why don't we all start acting like it?

I'm completely baffled when I see posts that are completely bashing/making fun of one of our guys. Did you guys make fun of Superman's outfit when you were little kids, or did you cheer him on for saving people's lives?

(No, I'm not saying we have "Superman" on our roster, and I know one of you is dying to post "Well, when we get Superman on our team, I won't make fun of him!" ...I'm just saying our QBs are ALL the "good guys", and we should treat them as such)

Of course, if anyone thinks Carter would've done better in NFLE than Hutch is retarded.

Hmm..I guess I'm retarded. :rolleyes:

I must be retarded to think our starter could outplay our 4th-5th stringer who's getting cut sometime before training camp starts.

iceberg

06-26-2004, 08:33 AM

?????????????nice????????????

cool. i'm not on ignore yet. that makes me so very happy.

ghst187

06-26-2004, 08:34 AM

There is no point in posting about how Carter "will be gone" after this year.

And to be fair, there's no point in posting how he'll be a Pro Bowler after this year too.

None of us have any ideas. We do know, however, that he is most likely our starter this year, and he DOES have the potential to be a good QB. Instead of hating on him or any other Cowboys QB, why don't we support them and hope they can all reach their highest level of potential possible?

"Quincy sucks!" "Chad's a bum!" "Henson's a bust!" "Vinny's a fossil!" "Romo's a homo!" (OK, I haven't seen anyone say that, but you get the point).

It's getting old. We're Cowboys fans, why don't we all start acting like it?

I'm completely baffled when I see posts that are completely bashing/making fun of one of our guys. Did you guys make fun of Superman's outfit when you were little kids, or did you cheer him on for saving people's lives?

(No, I'm not saying we have "Superman" on our roster, and I know one of you is dying to post "Well, when we get Superman on our team, I won't make fun of him!" ...I'm just saying our QBs are ALL the "good guys", and we should treat them as such)

Hmm..I guess I'm retarded. :rolleyes:

your post proves it

Nors

06-26-2004, 08:49 AM

Are you talking about the very same owner that drafted Q? That doesn't make much sense.
amazing how q "people" throw out all these excuses for q's crummy play, incompetence and noodle arm yet continue to bash Hutch who played under the exact same circumstances.
I admit to wanting Hutch in there this past season. Everyone knows he has a MUCH better arm and can throw pretty accurately. He definitely didn't come around in NFLE like I thought he would, still too many fumbles and not enough presence. Of course, if anyone thinks Carter would've done better in NFLE than Hutch is retarded. Carter wouldn't have had a coach babying him, scaling back the playbook, managing the clock for him, and a top rated defense making it only necessary to score 10-17 points per game to win.
I really have no idea why people so violently back q. The only reason people like me dislike him so much is because his backers continue to shove it in our face and boldy claim that q is a great qb when the only person that agrees with them is donovan mcnabb. Meanwhile, his stats radically say something different. Hopefully we won't have to endure a full year of q as now we have some more viable and promising options. I imagine this will be the last season for q and then half the people on this board will go awol.

No Chad accountability for not being able to handle Parcells? Failing in Europe? 1/2 this board will not go anywhere.

Nav22

06-26-2004, 09:12 AM

your post proves it

Poor guy. I guess you haven't gotten over Chad's failures yet.

You've just made my list of board members whose face I'm going to COMPLETELY rub it in if Quincy has a break-out year.

jimmy40

06-26-2004, 09:26 AM

Poor guy. I guess you haven't gotten over Chad's failures yet.

You've just made my list of board members whose face I'm going to COMPLETELY rub it in if Quincy has a break-out year.
IF? Obviously you have all the faith in the world in QC and you surely deserve to rub it in someone's face IF QC has a breakout year. Way to show some backbone there big guy.

Kangaroo

06-26-2004, 09:35 AM

Man so much hype was crammed down are throat abut Chad even with his layoff he was the best thing since sliced bread

Everyone states Chad is accurate but he had a 50% completion his rookie year where is his accuracy.

I digress Chad should not have started his rookie year his rust show and he went into a spiral when Parcells came in.

Chad may still become a good QB it will most likely be with another team (See Rich Gannon)

Now we have the Henson hype and people are ready to stick him in to soon because they hate QC I rather the QB that has been away from the game 3 almost 4 years with 8 college starts not to be rushed. Let him develop when he is ready he will start :)

See Jerry went out and got Banks then cut him and started QC who was not ready

Instead of Banks Jerry should have gotten Dilfer that year which I stated in my post durning that time period but oh no he went after someone who was not a hardworker and cut him and rushed a QB who should not have saw the field the his 1st year except for preseason. Then the coslet stuff happened and the az stuff and Hutch was rushed when he was not ready.

So now because Jerry drafted QC in the bottom of the 2nd round almost 3rd round and he is not Aikman or Staurbach and he was a reach to some he is hated by the cowboy fandom.

So it is easy this is all Jerry's fault for hiring a poodle and forcing 2 qb's into the starting lineup when they where not ready

Nav22

06-26-2004, 09:43 AM

IF? Obviously you have all the faith in the world in QC and you surely deserve to rub it in someone's face IF QC has a breakout year. Way to show some backbone there big guy.

Yes, "if." I'm not a psychic. What if Quincy gets hurt? What if the running game/O-line struggle immensely?

And where did I say I had all the faith in the world in QC? I do think he'll have a break-out year, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

I'm just saying that IF he does indeed have a break-out year, I'm going to rub it in the faces of everyone who thought he was a complete loser who didn't belong in the NFL.

Get a grip.

iceberg

06-26-2004, 09:55 AM

I'm just saying that IF he does indeed have a break-out year, I'm going to rub it in the faces of everyone who thought he was a complete loser who didn't belong in the NFL.

other than telling everyone you're 12 years old, what would this do for you? and *if* it doesn't happen, how do you want people to treat you? i'll bet NOT rubbing your face in it.

is it really that hard to be respectful of someone else, dude?

Nors

06-26-2004, 10:00 AM

Yes, "if." I'm not a psychic. What if Quincy gets hurt? What if the running game/O-line struggle immensely?

And where did I say I had all the faith in the world in QC? I do think he'll have a break-out year, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

I'm just saying that IF he does indeed have a break-out year, I'm going to rub it in the faces of everyone who thought he was a complete loser who didn't belong in the NFL.

Get a grip.

Carter rookie year = he scared the crap out of me

2nd year = I was still skeptical, after watching Hutch - I was back to Quincy camp.

3rd year under Parcells - I was cautious but optimistic about Carter. I see improvement. No more one hoppers , fluttering ducks. He responded to Parcells pressure and was the bus driver on a 10-6 playoff team.

This year I have confidence in Carter. I'm rooting for the kid because he is our only chance to win big this season. If 41 year old Vinnie or Drew Baseball are starting the fat lady sang.

MichaelWinicki

06-26-2004, 10:03 AM

iceberg

06-26-2004, 10:06 AM

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 10:21 AM

Carter rookie year = he scared the crap out of me

2nd year = I was still skeptical, after watching Hutch - I was back to Quincy camp.

3rd year under Parcells - I was cautious but optimistic about Carter. I see improvement. No more one hoppers , fluttering ducks. He responded to Parcells pressure and was the bus driver on a 10-6 playoff team.

This year I have confidence in Carter. I'm rooting for the kid because he is our only chance to win big this season. If 41 year old Vinnie or Drew Baseball are starting the fat lady sang.
I dont agree whatsoever. If BP and co can build an offence to suit the inaccurate impulse decision making, int throwing Carter they can surely do it for Vinny OR Henson! This oline stuff is a bunch of Carter hogwash too! Look at how many times Vinnys been sacked compared to Q. Vinny wins! What, Vinnys more mobile than Q? NO, its all about reading and reacting quickly! Look up how many times Vick has been sacked. Did you know that as rookies during the same 9 game stretch vick was sacked MORE than HUTCH!???Bet not. And Hutches line was WORSE. WAY WORSE. Kinda shoots the whole o line theory to helllll and back now doesnt it? Coarse, you KNOW that anyway. Just more mindless propaganda!............GET REAL

junk

06-26-2004, 10:43 AM

I am not a big fan of Carter, but I seriously doubt he gets jettisoned before his contract expires. He is playing on his rookie contract which is dirt cheap. Even if someone else beats him out for the starting position, where are you going to find a veteran with the ability to step in for a few games at a time for the same price as QC?

Personally, I think this is where he could excel and have a long career in the NFL.

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 10:45 AM

I dont agree whatsoever. If BP and co can build an offence to suit the inaccurate impulse decision making, int throwing Carter they can surely do it for Vinny OR Henson! This oline stuff is a bunch of Carter hogwash too! Look at how many times Vinnys been sacked compared to Q. Vinny wins! What, Vinnys more mobile than Q? NO, its all about reading and reacting quickly! Look up how many times Vick has been sacked. Did you know that as rookies during the same 9 game stretch vick was sacked MORE than HUTCH!???Bet not. And Hutches line was WORSE. WAY WORSE. Kinda shoots the whole o line theory to helllll and back now doesnt it? Coarse, you KNOW that anyway. Just more mindless propaganda!............GET REAL
Mike Vick.....SACKED 23 times in 113 attempts as a rookie. Hutch the stiff who hadnt played football in FOUR YEARS sacked 34 times in 250 attempts! Lets see now, if Vick had dropped back 250 times he would have had roughly FIFTYFOUR SACKS!!!LMAO! YUP, MOBILITY is sure the key to not being sacked LOL. Look up the FACTS once. Why dont you look up mr mobile Brad Johnsons stats and see how often he gets sacked per dropback. Might suprize you. ENUFF with the oline fairy tale O.K. Its about the head, NOT THE LEGS. FACTS prove it ;) GOTCHA...LOL

InParcellsWetrust

06-26-2004, 10:48 AM

I thought the worst mistake we made in 2002 was benching Carter and letting Hutchinson start at QB, IMO Hutch was never better then Quincy

Nav22

06-26-2004, 10:50 AM

other than telling everyone you're 12 years old, what would this do for you? and *if* it doesn't happen, how do you want people to treat you? i'll bet NOT rubbing your face in it.

is it really that hard to be respectful of someone else, dude?

Way to be completely hypocritical. You talk about how I'm being disrespectful, yet you call me "12 years old" and constantly insult our QBs.

What does talking sh** about our QBs and making fun of them do for you? Are you even a Cowboys fan?

If Carter doesn't have his break-through season, there won't be any reason to rub it in my face. I'm not saying he's DEFINITELY having a great season. I'm not saying he's DEFINITELY our franchise QB.

That's the difference. You guys talk like you already know the outcome of his career. I DON'T.

And people with that kind of attitude deserve to have it rubbed in their faces if Quincy proves them wrong. If you have the nerve to act like you're a near-psychic expert on our QB situation, you better expect to have it thrown back in your face if you're wrong.

Of course, if people can graciously accept that they were wrong about Carter, I won't need to throw it back in their face. But considering how this Hutchinson thread has gone (tons of people who called Carter a complete bum compared to Chad before last year, but not fessing up to that today), I'm sure there will be plenty of ABCers avoiding the backlash after this year if Quincy performs well.

I realize I'm just a fan who doesn't know as much as our coaching staff about our QBs. You guys claim Carter is surely a life-long mediocre QB, essentially saying that you know more about him than the coaches who seem to like him enough to start him...again.

I wonder why Parcells is giving him another year...all he has to do is ask you guys how Carter will do!

junk

06-26-2004, 10:53 AM

I thought the worst mistake we made in 2002 was benching Carter and letting Hutchinson start at QB, IMO Hutch was never better then Quincy

I liked Hutch's passing skills, but hate his pocket presence and overall mental makeup. Someone on here compared him to Rob Johnson, I think that is a pretty good comparison although Johnson was better in the pocket.

My honest first thought when I first heard of Hutch was that he failed as a baseball relief pitcher, but everyone thought he had the skills to be good. That sent up a flag that pointed to a guy that couldn't win the mental part of the game. Lacked the killer instinct. Eventually, I bought into the media hype of Hutch and forgot about it. Seems it is still an issue to me though.

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 10:54 AM

Mike Vick.....SACKED 23 times in 113 attempts as a rookie. Hutch the stiff who hadnt played football in FOUR YEARS sacked 34 times in 250 attempts! Lets see now, if Vick had dropped back 250 times he would have had roughly FIFTYFOUR SACKS!!!LMAO! YUP, MOBILITY is sure the key to not being sacked LOL. Look up the FACTS once. Why dont you look up mr mobile Brad Johnsons stats and see how often he gets sacked per dropback. Might suprize you. ENUFF with the oline fairy tale O.K. Its about the head, NOT THE LEGS. FACTS prove it ;) GOTCHA...LOL
Donovan Mcnabb. 43 SACKS in 478 dropbacks!...HHHMMMMMMMM MOBILITY!LMAO! Should we go on? LOL

jay cee

06-26-2004, 10:58 AM

patting myself on the back

I think perhaps my posting that I STILL think Hutch is better, got the ball rolling on this thread. :)

Come on...it's only 9 pages....surely it's worth another 5 or so.

Funny thing is, I believe that only you and one other poster actually answered the question.

iceberg

06-26-2004, 11:04 AM

Way to be completely hypocritical. You talk about how I'm being disrespectful, yet you call me "12 years old" and constantly insult our QBs.

What does talking sh** about our QBs and making fun of them do for you? Are you even a Cowboys fan?

If Carter doesn't have his break-through season, there won't be any reason to rub it in my face. I'm not saying he's DEFINITELY having a great season. I'm not saying he's DEFINITELY our franchise QB.

That's the difference. You guys talk like you already know the outcome of his career. I DON'T.

And people with that kind of attitude deserve to have it rubbed in their faces if Quincy proves them wrong. If you have the nerve to act like you're a near-psychic expert on our QB situation, you better expect to have it thrown back in your face if you're wrong.

Of course, if people can graciously accept that they were wrong about Carter, I won't need to throw it back in their face. But considering how this Hutchinson thread has gone (tons of people who called Carter a complete bum compared to Chad before last year, but not fessing up to that today), I'm sure there will be plenty of ABCers avoiding the backlash after this year if Quincy performs well.

I realize I'm just a fan who doesn't know as much as our coaching staff about our QBs. You guys claim Carter is surely a life-long mediocre QB, essentially saying that you know more about him than the coaches who seem to like him enough to start him...again.

I wonder why Parcells is giving him another year...all he has to do is ask you guys how Carter will do!

oooo - i see your melodrama courses paid off.

look dude, put your anger aside for a bit and realize I NEVER INSULTED ALL OF OUR QB's. but those who shout a lot tend to make up the other side of the argument also, so you seem to be in form.

if you want to act 12, then that's how i'll treat you.

i hope carter does well. the biggest reason i want to see him fail is because of a**clowns like you who make this a personal religion and saying something negative about "your boy" results in "in your face" reaction.

do you over-react to everything, or just carter comments?

InParcellsWetrust

06-26-2004, 11:04 AM

I liked Hutch's passing skills, but hate his pocket presence and overall mental makeup. Someone on here compared him to Rob Johnson, I think that is a pretty good comparison although Johnson was better in the pocket.

My honest first thought when I first heard of Hutch was that he failed as a baseball relief pitcher, but everyone thought he had the skills to be good. That sent up a flag that pointed to a guy that couldn't win the mental part of the game. Lacked the killer instinct. Eventually, I bought into the media hype of Hutch and forgot about it. Seems it is still an issue to me though.

Well agreed has passing skills but barrel down a defense on him and he's deader then road kill, atleast with QC he can scramble get away be elusive Hutch just sits there like a dope and takes the hit.

with out even remembering that he can throw the ball away or maybe even try and make a run for it! I'll be glad when he is cut

jay cee

06-26-2004, 11:12 AM

Way to be completely hypocritical. You talk about how I'm being disrespectful, yet you call me "12 years old" and constantly insult our QBs.

What does talking sh** about our QBs and making fun of them do for you? Are you even a Cowboys fan?

If Carter doesn't have his break-through season, there won't be any reason to rub it in my face. I'm not saying he's DEFINITELY having a great season. I'm not saying he's DEFINITELY our franchise QB.

That's the difference. You guys talk like you already know the outcome of his career. I DON'T.

And people with that kind of attitude deserve to have it rubbed in their faces if Quincy proves them wrong. If you have the nerve to act like you're a near-psychic expert on our QB situation, you better expect to have it thrown back in your face if you're wrong.

Of course, if people can graciously accept that they were wrong about Carter, I won't need to throw it back in their face. But considering how this Hutchinson thread has gone (tons of people who called Carter a complete bum compared to Chad before last year, but not fessing up to that today), I'm sure there will be plenty of ABCers avoiding the backlash after this year if Quincy performs well.

I realize I'm just a fan who doesn't know as much as our coaching staff about our QBs. You guys claim Carter is surely a life-long mediocre QB, essentially saying that you know more about him than the coaches who seem to like him enough to start him...again.

I wonder why Parcells is giving him another year...all he has to do is ask you guys how Carter will do!

Now that was truly a great post dude. Too bad it was wasted on this thread.

ABQCOWBOY

06-26-2004, 11:13 AM

Well agreed has passing skills but barrel down a defense on him and he's deader then road kill, atleast with QC he can scramble get away be elusive Hutch just sits there like a dope and takes the hit.

with out even remembering that he can throw the ball away or maybe even try and make a run for it! I'll be glad when he is cut

This post perconifies the problem with most fans where Carter and Hutchinson are concerned. Two years later, were discussing who was better. It has been posted repeatedly, at least twice by me that Carter was better during the time frame both competed in 2002. If only because of experience, and that really is the only reason, Carter was better. Carter was much the same as Hutchinson in his rookie season. Most QBs who play on 5 win teams in ther rookie year have simular seasons. It is not a fair or accurate depiction to say that Hutchinson or Carter are better or worse. It is fair to say that at the time, Carter was better. That's it. I would be willing to bet that Carter is not worring about Hutchinson or his compation with Hutchinson in 2002. He is worried about the compatition with Vinny, Henson and Romo, as all his fans should be. Get over it already.

jay cee

06-26-2004, 11:16 AM

do you over-react to everything, or just carter comments?

We could ask you and the other Carter bashers the same thing.
Do you over react to everything, or just positive Carter comments?

ABQCOWBOY

06-26-2004, 11:18 AM

We could ask you and the other Carter bashers the same thing.
Do you over react to everything, or just positive Carter comments?

Exactly who are the Carter fans and the Hutchinson fans you are refering to on this board?

iceberg

06-26-2004, 11:26 AM

We could ask you and the other Carter bashers the same thing.
Do you over react to everything, or just positive Carter comments?

you mean a bash like this:
"i hope carter does well. the biggest reason i want to see him fail is because of a**clowns like you who make this a personal religion and saying something negative about "your boy" results in "in your face" reaction."

gosh i'm sorry q, i hope you can take all that i dish out to you.

just because i'm arguing with someone pro-carter doesn't make me anti-carter. just tired of the YOU'LL SEE AND I'LL RUB IT IN! talk. i'm also tired of the "instant assumptions straight to extreme" stuff.

on *either* side.

jay cee

06-26-2004, 12:16 PM

you mean a bash like this:
"i hope carter does well. the biggest reason i want to see him fail is because of a**clowns like you who make this a personal religion and saying something negative about "your boy" results in "in your face" reaction."

gosh i'm sorry q, i hope you can take all that i dish out to you.

just because i'm arguing with someone pro-carter doesn't make me anti-carter. just tired of the YOU'LL SEE AND I'LL RUB IT IN! talk. i'm also tired of the "instant assumptions straight to extreme" stuff.

on *either* side.

No I mean a bash like this. carter - good enough to fool people into thinking he can play and makes for stupid newsgroup chatter.

blindzebra

06-26-2004, 12:18 PM

Are you talking about the very same owner that drafted Q? That doesn't make much sense.
amazing how q "people" throw out all these excuses for q's crummy play, incompetence and noodle arm yet continue to bash Hutch who played under the exact same circumstances.
I admit to wanting Hutch in there this past season. Everyone knows he has a MUCH better arm and can throw pretty accurately. He definitely didn't come around in NFLE like I thought he would, still too many fumbles and not enough presence. Of course, if anyone thinks Carter would've done better in NFLE than Hutch is retarded. Carter wouldn't have had a coach babying him, scaling back the playbook, managing the clock for him, and a top rated defense making it only necessary to score 10-17 points per game to win.
I really have no idea why people so violently back q. The only reason people like me dislike him so much is because his backers continue to shove it in our face and boldy claim that q is a great qb when the only person that agrees with them is donovan mcnabb. Meanwhile, his stats radically say something different. Hopefully we won't have to endure a full year of q as now we have some more viable and promising options. I imagine this will be the last season for q and then half the people on this board will go awol.

That's called sarcasm. See the winking smilie. You might want to read threw a little of the thread next time. ;)

jay cee

06-26-2004, 12:26 PM

Exactly who are the Carter fans and the Hutchinson fans you are refering to on this board?

Why does that matter. they know if they are bashers or apologists. I am firmly in the apologist camp. For all Cowboys, not just Carter.

Now I admit, I really would have preferred the Cowboys had made a move for Couch rather than get Henson, Brunell, or Testaverde. I think Couch at the right price could have made a better bus driver than Carter. But I do think that Carter can get the job done if the weapons around him or strong enough.

ABQCOWBOY

06-26-2004, 12:56 PM

Why does that matter. they know if they are bashers or apologists. I am firmly in the apologist camp. For all Cowboys, not just Carter.

Now I admit, I really would have preferred the Cowboys had made a move for Couch rather than get Henson, Brunell, or Testaverde. I think Couch at the right price could have made a better bus driver than Carter. But I do think that Carter can get the job done if the weapons around him or strong enough.

It matters because the accusations, assumptions and conclusions drawn on this point are ludacrise (sp?). People that I have conversed with for years are labled in one way or another. There opinons, many times, based on good solid reasoning are dismissed as anything but what it really is. Good contribution to this board. It's like everybody has to be something. Bull ****. The only thing you have to be is a Cowboy fan. The thing I don't understand is why is it such a big deal to question our players? If they play well, it doesn't happen. If there not, they are bringing it on themselves. All of a sudden I'm an appoligist or a Hate monger. I'm a fan and I see for myself how well players are playing.

More and more good posters are moving away because the discussions continue to deteriorate into childish tirades. We are not replinishing with the quality we are lossing. Think about the question I ask. Are all the people one or the other?

I guess it's inevitable but it's just a sham. Seems like there should be more thought into this whole thing. 9 or 10 pages on an issue that has been long decided and will only result in more childish posting? This is not specifically aimed at you JC, it just happens that I choose to discuss this with you. I am as guilty as anyone. I could have ingnored this thread and probably should have as I feel more a part of the problem then solution. I'm done. Don't view this as baiting. I'm just asking you the question as I thought you would perhaps consider it and respond with reason rather then continued arguement.

blindzebra

06-26-2004, 12:58 PM

ChrisFul

06-26-2004, 01:01 PM

Honest question. Are YOU gay? Cant help it but that post made me visualize some gay dude flipping his hair back and stomping out of the room. ...."I just hate them, I hate them ALL!". Maybe some good ole red meat and a case of bud will help get that feminine side beaten back down a little. ...LOL

Ha.Ive been called a lot of things on this board, but gay has not been one of them. Sweet, just a few more and I'll have every insult ever covered.

The sad thing is that this post of yours is easily the most thought provoking thing you've brought to this board since you started posting. OOOOPS that was a personal attack! Time to close this one down.

ChrisFul

06-26-2004, 01:05 PM

Donovan Mcnabb. 43 SACKS in 478 dropbacks!...HHHMMMMMMMM MOBILITY!LMAO! Should we go on? LOL

You seriously post like a 13 year old kid on AOL. Maybe if you spoke english people would take you seriously.

OMG LOLZBBQ

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 01:09 PM

You seriously post like a 13 year old kid on AOL. Maybe if you spoke english people would take you seriously.

OMG LOLZBBQ
BUT my FACTS DO have merit. That is WHY YOU wont touch them with a ten foot pole. ...LOL

ChrisFul

06-26-2004, 01:13 PM

BUT my FACTS DO have merit. That is WHY YOU wont touch them with a ten foot pole. ...LOL

Facts? What facts. That mobility has nothing to do with being sacked? You have got to be kidding, right?

You ever stop to think some of those "sacks" are on designed QB running plays?

If you call a QB draw, and your QB gets blasted up the middle before he starts forwards after his dropback, that's a sack for example.

Ask someone who has actually played football, who is the harder to sack. A mobile QB or a statue.

KTHX OWNED.

Anyways, you are an idiot, and a detriment to this board. Please note: THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK. Hopefully its enough to get this thread closed. And if its not, I've got more where that one came from.

Just noticed that this was moved to smack talk. Objective achieved.

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 01:15 PM

Facts? What facts. That mobility has nothing to do with being sacked? You have got to be kidding, right?

You ever stop to think some of those "sacks" are on designed QB running plays?

If you call a QB draw, and your QB gets blasted up the middle before he starts forwards after his dropback, that's a sack for example.

Ask someone who has actually played football, who is the harder to sack. A mobile QB or a statue.

KTHX OWNED.
LOL. Ah, dont all QB's have qb draws called. Like I say, check the FACTS before spouting off. I truly encourage you to do so with your own eyes. Let me 1st warn you. They WILL support my case NOT YOURS. ;)

blindzebra

06-26-2004, 01:17 PM

Facts? What facts. That mobility has nothing to do with being sacked? You have got to be kidding, right?

You ever stop to think some of those "sacks" are on designed QB running plays?

If you call a QB draw, and your QB gets blasted up the middle before he starts forwards after his dropback, that's a sack for example.

Ask someone who has actually played football, who is the harder to sack. A mobile QB or a statue.

KTHX OWNED.

Anyways, you are an idiot, and a detriment to this board. Please note: THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK. Hopefully its enough to get this thread closed. And if its not, I've got more where that one came from.

Actually it's not. Roy lost the sack at the end of the Eagles game last year because Reid said it was a running play AFTER the game.

Spin that one, master debater.

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 01:17 PM

Facts? What facts. That mobility has nothing to do with being sacked? You have got to be kidding, right?

You ever stop to think some of those "sacks" are on designed QB running plays?

If you call a QB draw, and your QB gets blasted up the middle before he starts forwards after his dropback, that's a sack for example.

Ask someone who has actually played football, who is the harder to sack. A mobile QB or a statue.

KTHX OWNED.

Anyways, you are an idiot, and a detriment to this board. Please note: THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK. Hopefully its enough to get this thread closed. And if its not, I've got more where that one came from.

Just noticed that this was moved to smack talk. Objective achieved.
Hide the facts all you want. Still wont make them go away.

ChrisFul

06-26-2004, 01:19 PM

LOL. Ah, dont all QB's have qb draws called. Like I say, check the FACTS before spouting off. I truly encourage you to do so with your own eyes. Let me 1st warn you. They WILL support my case NOT YOURS. ;)

They don't support you. You cherry picked two stats, so now you've got a law?

Did you go to college? Surely they taught you something about sample size in statistics. I guess not.

Anyways, you are an idiot, and I'm not wasting any more time with you. There seriously needs to be a purging of users on this board, addition by subtraction. cowboys.net used to be the best place for cowboys news/talk. There is a forum for users like you, its called the DMN.

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 01:19 PM

I would have wanted this moved off the main board if I were you too. Dropped da bomb on your and you simply cannot rebutt the facts. Like I said, hide them all you want. Wont matter!...LOL

Bill the Butcher

06-26-2004, 01:21 PM

They don't support you. You cherry picked two stats, so now you've got a law?

Did you go to college? Surely they taught you something about sample size in statistics. I guess not.

Anyways, you are an idiot, and I'm not wasting any more time with you. There seriously needs to be a purging of users on this board, addition by subtraction. cowboys.net used to be the best place for cowboys news/talk. There is a forum for users like you, its called the DMN.
Im an idiot? Im not the one who has to practically BEG people to visit his site. I mean really. People laugh at that kinda stuff............. :)

jay cee

06-26-2004, 01:29 PM

You see that is where you guys have it wrong. Sure there are a few, but for the majority of the co-called bashers/haters this IS NOT about Carter.

Your side paints us as haters, you think we sit there and hope Quincy fails. You think we would rather have the team lose than Quincy succeed.

News flash, YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said it before I like Carter, I just don't think he is a very good QB. That does not mean I hope he fails. Can you see the difference?

The only hating and bashing most of us are doing is to an overzealous support cult that starts ignorant, inflammatory threads like this one.

How do you know what the majority so-called basher/haters is? I just know that if someone posts a positive Carter viewpoint, a number of posters go on the attack.

I know someone is totally irrational when I see them take a thread that is about another position or player and start bashing the qb's. That has happened often and you could not have spent anytime on the forum and not noticed it yourself.

ChrisFul

06-26-2004, 01:29 PM

Im an idiot? Im not the one who has to practically BEG people to visit his site. I mean really. People laugh at that kinda stuff............. :)

blindzebra: I suggest you look up some football rules. Google for "football" "sack" "Definition" and youll find several.

ahem.

Sack - Any tackle of the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage.

and as for you bill, what website of mine do I beg people to visit?

I don't even have one, idiot.

blindzebra

06-26-2004, 01:34 PM

blindzebra: I suggest you look up some football rules. Google for "football" "sack" "Definition" and youll find several.

ahem.

Sack - Any tackle of the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage.

and as for you bill, what website of mine do I beg people to visit?

I don't even have one, idiot.

You are wrong be man enough to admit it, it won't kill you. It is like a hit and error in baseball. It gets judged as a passing play or a running play, so it is credited a sack or a tackle for loss.

iceberg

06-26-2004, 01:34 PM

No I mean a bash like this.

and maybe he'll fool me too.

ChrisFul

06-26-2004, 01:37 PM

You are wrong be man enough to admit it, it won't kill you.

Sure, if im wrong. In this case im not.

blindzebra

06-26-2004, 01:47 PM

Sure, if im wrong. In this case im not.

R. Williams 3-2 1.5 0 0 from the game log stats, he was credited with a half sack on the last Eagle play.

10/12 Philadelphia W 23-21 Yes 3.0 3 1 1 his official stats from that game.

Go to NFL.com and compare the game stats under stats versus game logs under players and you will see that the sack became a running play, just like I said.

Coakley had a half sack in the game stats, but no sacks in his official stats.

So start admitting!

Jarv

06-26-2004, 01:51 PM

Wow, looks like I missed a good one. What are you all arguing about ? It sounds like a beauty contest between Rosie O'donnel and Rosanne....

I favor Rosanne, because she is funnier...and QC, because he was the QB in more winning games...

But I would not take either one of them home to Mom....

Ken

06-26-2004, 02:33 PM

blindzebra
iceberge
BillThe Butcher.

You guys remind me of former trash, that left a few months ago, that use to inhabit these boards are argue much the same as you stooges.

Do me a favor, go back to where you left for to begin with. It was better here without you.

Thanks.

iceberg

06-26-2004, 03:36 PM

Nav22

06-26-2004, 04:38 PM

So Iceberg says...
i hope carter does well.

Right before saying...
the biggest reason i want to see him fail is because of a**clowns like you who make this a personal religion and saying something negative about "your boy" results in "in your face" reaction.

Possibly the most obvious flip-flop I've ever seen on this board.

And since you've been saying anti-Carter things throughout this entire thread, it's plain to see that the 2nd quote is showing your true colors.

You want our starting QB to fail. A GREAT fan you are.

Not enough traffic on the Skins board, huh?

iceberg

06-26-2004, 05:43 PM

So Iceberg says...

Right before saying...

Possibly the most obvious flip-flop I've ever seen on this board.

And since you've been saying anti-Carter things throughout this entire thread, it's plain to see that the 2nd quote is showing your true colors.

You want our starting QB to fail. A GREAT fan you are.

Not enough traffic on the Skins board, huh?

well i see comprehension isn't your strong point. i hope he does well, i don't think he will. and when i say i want to see him fail because of extreme CARTER OR ELSE people who want to THROW IT IN YOUR FACE all the time, yea, i want that **** to go away.

isn't that the self-same stuff you, jaycee and chrisful are all whining about? others doing it but you don't see yourself in that same light.

how very odd.

BrAinPaiNt

06-26-2004, 08:05 PM

You guys must be really bored....but hey I get bored sometimes as well.

Either way.

Lay off the name calling and personal attacks.

Juke99

06-26-2004, 08:31 PM

Funny thing is, I believe that only you and one other poster actually answered the question.

That's not funny....but it is typical. :D

ChrisFul

06-26-2004, 08:35 PM

well i see comprehension isn't your strong point. i hope he does well, i don't think he will. and when i say i want to see him fail because of extreme CARTER OR ELSE people who want to THROW IT IN YOUR FACE all the time, yea, i want that **** to go away.

isn't that the self-same stuff you, jaycee and chrisful are all whining about? others doing it but you don't see yourself in that same light.

how very odd.

Give me a g****** break. I like Carter, yeah. Am i rubbing **** in your face? Hell no. I will defend him against outright lies or stupidity, but I don't see me telling anyone that he's going to be a world beater or anything like that. Ive not predicted any probowls, and the one time i did predict a statline for him (before last season) it was fairly modest and not too far away from the actual performance (except for INTs). So get the hell off my case. Say one good/positive thing about Carter, then omg you are a Carter Jock Licker, or a CARTER OR ELSE'r. Why do certain posters do this? Probably because of some sort of superiority complex, hell I don't know.

Just go ahead and close this g******** thread. The personal attacks aren't going to stop. They never do.

iceberg

06-26-2004, 08:51 PM

Give me a g****** break. I like Carter, yeah. Am i rubbing **** in your face? Hell no. I will defend him against outright lies or stupidity, but I don't see me telling anyone that he's going to be a world beater or anything like that. Ive not predicted any probowls, and the one time i did predict a statline for him (before last season) it was fairly modest and not too far away from the actual performance (except for INTs). So get the hell off my case. Say one good/positive thing about Carter, then omg you are a Carter Jock Licker, or a CARTER OR ELSE'r. Why do certain posters do this? Probably because of some sort of superiority complex, hell I don't know.

Just go ahead and close this g******** thread. The personal attacks aren't going to stop. They never do.

let's first realize i wasn't talking to you as you respond to me as if i was.

we clear?

now, i don't care anymore.

we clear?

blindzebra

06-26-2004, 09:15 PM

Give me a g****** break. I like Carter, yeah. Am i rubbing **** in your face? Hell no. I will defend him against outright lies or stupidity, but I don't see me telling anyone that he's going to be a world beater or anything like that. Ive not predicted any probowls, and the one time i did predict a statline for him (before last season) it was fairly modest and not too far away from the actual performance (except for INTs). So get the hell off my case. Say one good/positive thing about Carter, then omg you are a Carter Jock Licker, or a CARTER OR ELSE'r. Why do certain posters do this? Probably because of some sort of superiority complex, hell I don't know.

Just go ahead and close this g******** thread. The personal attacks aren't going to stop. They never do.

Your first post in this thread had NOTHING to do with either of those things, it was your preaching post about HATING everybody.

A little tid-bit I picked up from one of the mods. 20 posts have become Carter war posts. 16 were started by Carter SUPPORTERS and one was a posting of an article.

So maybe, you should point that holier-than-thou finger where it belongs at the real trouble makers.

iceberg

06-26-2004, 09:58 PM

Your first post in this thread had NOTHING to do with either of those things, it was your preaching post about HATING everybody.

A little tid-bit I picked up from one of the mods. 20 posts have become Carter war posts. 16 were started by Carter SUPPORTERS and one was a posting of an article.

So maybe, you should point that holier-than-thou finger where it belongs at the real trouble makers.

maybe we should all smoke a fat one and talk like spicoli.