QB Question

[Bill the Butcher]

Lets say for arguments sake...NORS, That Quincy really struggles in camp and preseason while Testeverde and Henson look good . Testeverde is named starter and we get an offer of a 3rd rounder from Arizona for Q, DO WE TRADE HIM? :p

[AJM1613]

Lets say for arguments sake...NORS, That Quincy really struggles in camp and preseason while Testeverde and Henson look good . Testeverde is named starter and we get an offer of a 3rd rounder from Arizona for Q, DO WE TRADE HIM? :p
Arizona isn't looking for a QB, Green is happy with what he has.

[Bill the Butcher]

Arizona isn't looking for a QB, Green is happy with what he has.
True but it has been said that Green is enamored with Quincy. Plus Arizona never really thought that such a talent would become available!....LOL ;)

[AJM1613]

True but it has been said that Green is enamored with Quincy. Plus Arizona never really thought that such a talent would become available!....LOL ;)
If we got a second for our third string QB than anything is possible.

[Tuna Helper]

Arizona isn't looking for a QB, Green is happy with what he has.

Oh yeah? When did you and Denny discuss the QB situation in Arizona over a beer?

[Bill the Butcher]

If we got a second for our third string QB than anything is possible.
Cant really go by what you say. YOU have a vested interest in seeing Quincy start as long as humanly possible!...LOL ;)

[Nors]

Yes, If Henson is outplaying Quincy in camp and I can get a 3rd for Quincy I run to the bank and take it.

Henson is far more marketable JMO and has no track record or history with Bill. Heck, we paid Chad as a #1 and that failed..............

[Bill the Butcher]

Yes, If Henson is outplaying Quincy in camp and I can get a 3rd for Quincy I run to the bank and take it.

Henson is far more marketable JMO and has no track record or history with Bill. Heck, we paid Chad as a #1 and that failed..............
Good, FAIR opinion Nors. Got no problem with that................

[AJM1613]

Cant really go by what you say. YOU have a vested interest in seeing Quincy start as long as humanly possible!...LOL ;)
I would rather have Quincy become a solid starter for you than Henson, if that is what you mean. I like Carter as a person, and havn't heard that much about Henson but I assume he is like Tom Brady...I know, labeling.

[Nors]

I would rather have Quincy become a solid starter for you than Henson, if that is what you mean. I like Carter as a person, and havn't heard that much about Henson but I assume he is like Tom Brady...I know, labeling.


Henson could not beat Brady out as the starter at Michigan. Henson only started 8 games in his college career.

[Roughneck]

I would rather have Quincy become a solid starter for you than Henson, if that is what you mean. I like Carter as a person, and havn't heard that much about Henson but I assume he is like Tom Brady...I know, labeling.
Who cares about Tom Brady though? He's not even one of the Top 5 QBs in the League. :rolleyes:

[AJM1613]

Henson could not beat Brady out as the starter at Michigan. Henson only started 8 games in his college career.
I was talking about Henson as a person.

[junk]

I was talking about Henson as a person.

Who cares? Can he throw touchdowns and not interceptions? Can he lead the team to victory? Its nice that people take time out for children, but if it doesn't make them a better QB, they shouldn't start over the better player.

[AJM1613]

Who cares? Can he throw touchdowns and not interceptions? Can he lead the team to victory? Its nice that people take time out for children, but if it doesn't make them a better QB, they shouldn't start over the better player.
You're right, but you should route for them to be better than the QB that is an a**.

[Roughneck]

Henson could not beat Brady out as the starter at Michigan. Henson only started 8 games in his college career.
First off, it's really not fair to compare a First Year QB with a guy who has led his team to 2 Super Bowl Titles in the past 3 years and, despite what others may tell you ( AJM :rolleyes: ) is one of the Top 5 QBs in the NFL.

Secondly, you make it sound as if Henson and Brady were in the same class. When Tom was a Senior, Henson was only a Sophomore and if you know anything about Lloyd Carr you would know that he covets Senior Leadership and rewards loyalty. Loyalty like Brady still being a team first guy and doing whatever was needed of him when Griese was starting and Tom was riding the pine.

[Hostile]

If we got a second for our third string QB than anything is possible.
We? Have we converted you too? I hate it when I miss baptisms. Welcome to the family. You'll look good in blue and silver. ;)

[Nors]

First off, it's really not fair to compare a First Year QB with a guy who has led his team to 2 Super Bowl Titles in the past 3 years and, despite what others may tell you ( AJM :rolleyes: ) is one of the Top 5 QBs in the NFL.

Secondly, you make it sound as if Henson and Brady were in the same class. When Tom was a Senior, Henson was only a Sophomore and if you know anything about Lloyd Carr you would know that he covets Senior Leadership and rewards loyalty. Loyalty like Brady still being a team first guy and doing whatever was needed of him when Griese was starting and Tom was riding the pine.

Believe Brady started 2 seasons over Henson actually. Its now apparant why. Brady is an All Pro, 2x Super Bowl QB.

[31WillHammerU]

Believe Brady started 2 seasons over Henson actually. Its now apparant why. Brady is an All Pro, 2x Super Bowl QB.

Brady's sold on Henson

QB reviews former teammate
By BOB McGINN
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

Houston - Drew Henson's anticipated return to football this year should be a smashing success.

So says New England's Tom Brady, the quarterback who kept Henson on the bench for most of the 1998 and '99 seasons at the University of Michigan.

"I would say highly, highly, highly probable he can do that," Brady said Thursday when he was asked if Henson would have a strong National Football League career.

"He's a guy who has tremendous talent. He's 6-4, probably 230. He's got quick feet. Strong legs. Can run well. Smart. Tough.

"I think he's had some adversity. He's mentally tough. He's disciplined. I think he enjoys football. He's got leadership skills. He's going to be a great, great player."

Henson, who turns 24 next month, started for Michigan in 2000 before forsaking his final two seasons of eligibility in order to sign a blockbuster baseball contract with the New York Yankees. But after Henson neither hit nor fielded well enough in Class AA and AAA, he appears ready to change sports and the Yankees won't stop him.

As one of many NFL teams looking for a quarterback, the Green Bay Packers undoubtedly would like to attend one of Henson's expected workouts next month. Based on not having seen him play or throw for three years, the Packers had regarded Henson as a second-round draft choice.

The Houston Texans selected Henson in the sixth round last April and own his rights until the start of the draft April 24 and 25. The Texans will try to trade him to the team that offers them the best compensation.

Green Bay, which owns the 25th pick in the first round, might appeal to Henson because of Brett Favre's uncertain future.

Henson has been working out for football since November at an IMG sports facility in Florida. His agent, Tom Condon, asked longtime NFL quarterbacks coach and offensive assistant Larry Kennan to tutor Henson.

"This is a talented quarterback with a great arm," Kennan told the Houston Chronicle Wednesday. "He's got better touch than I thought he would. He's also a very bright guy who spends three or four hours a night studying film.

"There's no question in my mind that people are going to fall in love with him when they see him in person. There's also no doubt in my mind that he'll be the first or second pick in the draft, and I don't care who the competition is."

In order to leave the Yankees, Henson will have to reach a settlement on the $12 million in guaranteed money remaining on his contract.

How long would it take Henson to compete for a starting job in the NFL?

"He's a natural athlete and a natural passer," Brady said. "He's played a lot of football, so it's not like he's learning the game again. He'd just have to knock off the rust. I don't know how long it would take but he's got what it takes to be successful."

Drew Henson started just eight games in three years at Michigan, but had an impressive 109.4 passer rating.

In college, Henson completed 61.6% of his passes for 2,146 yards, 18 touchdowns and four interceptions.
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So if a 2Time SB QB says so, then I guess he really is all that, uh? ;)

[jterrell]

Lets say for arguments sake...NORS, That Quincy really struggles in camp and preseason while Testeverde and Henson look good . Testeverde is named starter and we get an offer of a 3rd rounder from Arizona for Q, DO WE TRADE HIM? :p

Yes.

If QC is passed by Vinny AND Henson then by all means make the trade and dont look back.

However if only one outplay QC is becomes much harder to make that deal.

FWIW, some dude named Chad Peters has stated QC has looked very good in the mini-camps so this is probably a very mute point.

[jterrell]

Brady's sold on Henson

QB reviews former teammate
By BOB McGINN
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

Houston - Drew Henson's anticipated return to football this year should be a smashing success.

So says New England's Tom Brady, the quarterback who kept Henson on the bench for most of the 1998 and '99 seasons at the University of Michigan.

"I would say highly, highly, highly probable he can do that," Brady said Thursday when he was asked if Henson would have a strong National Football League career.

"He's a guy who has tremendous talent. He's 6-4, probably 230. He's got quick feet. Strong legs. Can run well. Smart. Tough.

"I think he's had some adversity. He's mentally tough. He's disciplined. I think he enjoys football. He's got leadership skills. He's going to be a great, great player."

Henson, who turns 24 next month, started for Michigan in 2000 before forsaking his final two seasons of eligibility in order to sign a blockbuster baseball contract with the New York Yankees. But after Henson neither hit nor fielded well enough in Class AA and AAA, he appears ready to change sports and the Yankees won't stop him.

As one of many NFL teams looking for a quarterback, the Green Bay Packers undoubtedly would like to attend one of Henson's expected workouts next month. Based on not having seen him play or throw for three years, the Packers had regarded Henson as a second-round draft choice.

The Houston Texans selected Henson in the sixth round last April and own his rights until the start of the draft April 24 and 25. The Texans will try to trade him to the team that offers them the best compensation.

Green Bay, which owns the 25th pick in the first round, might appeal to Henson because of Brett Favre's uncertain future.

Henson has been working out for football since November at an IMG sports facility in Florida. His agent, Tom Condon, asked longtime NFL quarterbacks coach and offensive assistant Larry Kennan to tutor Henson.

"This is a talented quarterback with a great arm," Kennan told the Houston Chronicle Wednesday. "He's got better touch than I thought he would. He's also a very bright guy who spends three or four hours a night studying film.

"There's no question in my mind that people are going to fall in love with him when they see him in person. There's also no doubt in my mind that he'll be the first or second pick in the draft, and I don't care who the competition is."

In order to leave the Yankees, Henson will have to reach a settlement on the $12 million in guaranteed money remaining on his contract.

How long would it take Henson to compete for a starting job in the NFL?

"He's a natural athlete and a natural passer," Brady said. "He's played a lot of football, so it's not like he's learning the game again. He'd just have to knock off the rust. I don't know how long it would take but he's got what it takes to be successful."

Drew Henson started just eight games in three years at Michigan, but had an impressive 109.4 passer rating.

In college, Henson completed 61.6% of his passes for 2,146 yards, 18 touchdowns and four interceptions.
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So if a 2Time SB QB says so, then I guess he really is all that, uh? ;)

If your gonna use Brady as a beacon for Henson surely Carter backers can claim the comments by Staubach as the word of the almighty right:)

[Nors]

If your gonna use Brady as a beacon for Henson surely Carter backers can claim the comments by Staubach as the word of the almighty right:)

Going to say about his backup? Of course he's going to say he's all that. Michigan coach at the time thought Brady was better.......


Let these Dallas QB's push each other for the better of the team!

[te0002]

First off, it's really not fair to compare a First Year QB with a guy who has led his team to 2 Super Bowl Titles in the past 3 years and, despite what others may tell you ( AJM :rolleyes: ) is one of the Top 5 QBs in the NFL.

Secondly, you make it sound as if Henson and Brady were in the same class. When Tom was a Senior, Henson was only a Sophomore and if you know anything about Lloyd Carr you would know that he covets Senior Leadership and rewards loyalty. Loyalty like Brady still being a team first guy and doing whatever was needed of him when Griese was starting and Tom was riding the pine.

Roughneck, this has nothing to do with your comments regarding Carter/Henson.

I'm simply dropping you a note to say Aikman was/is NOT the King of all Cowboys. That my friend, would be Bob Lilly.

[SALADIN]

Who cares about Tom Brady though? He's not even one of the Top 5 QBs in the League. :rolleyes:

Would it be too much trouble to ask you for your top 5?

[big dog cowboy]

Lets say for arguments sake...NORS, That Quincy really struggles in camp and preseason while Testeverde and Henson look good . Testeverde is named starter and we get an offer of a 3rd rounder from Arizona for Q, DO WE TRADE HIM? :p

I don't care who offered the 3rd rounder, I would trade him in a heartbeat.

[silver]

We? Have we converted you too? I hate it when I miss baptisms. Welcome to the family. You'll look good in blue and silver. ;)

I think he's talking about getting a second rounder for feely who was their 3rd stringer last year or the year before. but with all the time this guy spends on this board he must be closet cowboy fan. :D

[silver]

Would it be too much trouble to ask you for your top 5?


manning
brady
vick
favre
mcnair

[SALADIN]

manning
brady
vick
favre
mcnair

Yeah, I kinda think that you have to have Brady somewhere on the list.

:confused:

[Nors]

In no order

Brady
Manning
Favre
Pennington
Bledsoe

[LaTunaNostra]

In no order

Brady
Manning
Favre
Pennington
Bledsoe
Well, Drew's still got one fan at least. :p

[Nors]

Well, Drew's still got one fan at least. :p


Still think he's that good. This is his last hurrah. I'm rooting for him.

Is he the VT replacement? :eek:

[LaTunaNostra]

Still think he's that good. This is his last hurrah. I'm rooting for him.

Is he the VT replacement? :eek:

All the incredible promise he showed under Tuna, and the good years under Carroll..but the flaws in Drew's game were apparent. They all came home to roost last year, and I don't think Gilbride can be totally faulted. It was a much simpler O then Drew had to deal with under Zampese, whose system he also couldn't grasp.

Drew Bledsoe is as big a destroyer of OC careers as Kordell Stewart. Let's see what Malarky can do with him, but I think he's fast deteriorating.

[Roughneck]

Roughneck, this has nothing to do with your comments regarding Carter/Henson.

I'm simply dropping you a note to say Aikman was/is NOT the King of all Cowboys. That my friend, would be Bob Lilly.
Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I respect Bob Lilly tremendously and can see why you would call him the King. Hell, I'm proud to say that he lives in my hometown. :D

Me? I choose to call Troy (the man who led us to 3 Super Bowl Victories) the King of all Cowboys. Once again, that's just me.

[Roughneck]

Would it be too much trouble to ask you for your top 5?
That was sarcasm. AJM, our neighborhood eagle annoyance, doesn't believe that Brady is one of the Top 5 QBs in the NFL (he puts Donnie in there :rolleyes: ). I personally think that Brady is indeed one of the Top 5 QBs in the League and is the best leader in the NFL today.

[SALADIN]

That was sarcasm. AJM, our neighborhood eagle annoyance, doesn't believe that Brady is one of the Top 5 QBs in the NFL (he puts Donnie in there :rolleyes: ). I personally think that Brady is indeed one of the Top 5 QBs in the League and is the best leader in the NFL today.

I thought I smelled some sacrasm cooking Roughneck ;)

I'll never understand why he hangs out here so much.

[Roughneck]

Would it be too much trouble to ask you for your top 5?
BTW, I would take:

Brady
Manning
McNair
Favre
Culpepper

[Roughneck]

I thought I smelled some sacrasm cooking Roughneck ;)

I'll never understand why he hangs out here so much.
It's called obsession and he is busting at the seams from it.

[ChrisFul]

I find it funny the amount of crap Donovan McNabb takes on this board. You'd think the guy had no business being an NFL QB if you believed half the junk said about him here.

Everyone rags on the guys completion %, his "accuracy", even his passing yardage.

What matters is TOUCHDOWNS and moving the offense. Last I looked, TDs won football games. When he's not missing games, McNugget is good for well over 25 TDs, both rushing/passing. Sorry, but that's excellent.

McNabb is HORRIBLY misused by that fat Idiot Andy Reid. WCO is for dinking and dunking and RACs, McNabb has a big-time arm and isn't really accurate enough for a precise short passing game. He's a long-ball QB; always has been, always will be. If they had a more vertical, downfield attack, McNabb would easily be one of the top 5 (right now its debateable) QBs in the NFL. He's Randall Cunningham with MORE consistency. That being said, the guy IS overrated. The NFL and the football press makes it sound like he's a QB .

Even now, there's only a handful of QBs i'd rather have than McNabb.

Peyton Manning, Steve McNair, Dante Culpepper, Brett Farve and maybe Tom Brady.

[starfrombirth]

Henson could not beat Brady out as the starter at Michigan. Henson only started 8 games in his college career.


How in the world do you say that..Henson never had the chance to beat out brady. College is not like the pro's. If the talent is even remotely close then the player with the most seniority will play. Now i could be wrong but wasnt henson a junior when brady graduated?

[Doomsday101]

How in the world do you say that..Henson never had the chance to beat out brady. College is not like the pro's. If the talent is even remotely close then the player with the most seniority will play. Now i could be wrong but wasnt henson a junior when brady graduated?

You are correct. This ideal that Henson is not a good QB because he did not take over Brady job is pretty lame. Mich coach Carr had 2 quality QB and played them both and that is not that uncommon in the college ranks. It allows the younger QB to get some game experiance.

[Nors]

You are correct. This ideal that Henson is not a good QB because he did not take over Brady job is pretty lame. Mich coach Carr had 2 quality QB and played them both and that is not that uncommon in the college ranks. It allows the younger QB to get some game experiance.

He starts in year 3 - 2006 after he is prepared to prepare at this level as its unlikely he can yet beat out NFL QB's?

Interesting.

[Doomsday101]

He starts in year 3 - 2006 after he is prepared to prepare at this level as its unlikely he can yet beat out NFL QB's?

Interesting.

Well that is as good of a guess as any and I'm sure you will stick to that prediction which is fine by me. I have no ideal when Henson will be ready I do think he will get his chance and would not suprise me if it is sooner than your predicting but that is only a guess on my part.

[kidcrook]

I mean no disrespect to any player by this post.

With that said, how come Henson (in retrospect) was considered a #1 draft pick in the respective year of his graduation/declaration but Brady was not? If Brady sat ahead of him on the depth chart at Michigan (thus limiting Henson's starts) why was he only considered a 6th round pick?

It seems the pseudo draft status was based mostly on potential, correct?

If that is the case, how come to most optimistic fans, comparing Henson to other potentially good players (ones who actually did something and/or played a full season in college) is considered disrespect or lunacy?
Why would it be wrong to liken his chances of success to someone who's past is strikingly similar (Hutchinson) or even did more in college with out a long layoff (every other QB that flamed out based on potential)?

I'm not trying to shoot down any hopes of success for Henson by any means. But, I would like to see some of the illusions of grandeur surrounding Henson tempered or better yet spread around to encompass more of the Cowboys roster (notably another disenfranchised young QB with baseball past). I mean we're all Cowboys fans right? :)

[Doomsday101]

I mean no disrespect to any player by this post.

With that said, how come Henson (in retrospect) was considered a #1 draft pick in the respective year of his graduation/declaration but Brady was not? If Brady sat ahead of him on the depth chart at Michigan (thus limiting Henson's starts) why was he only considered a 6th round pick?

It seems the pseudo draft status was based mostly on potential, correct?

If that is the case, how come to most optimistic fans, comparing Henson to other potentially good players (ones who actually did something and/or played a full season in college) is considered disrespect or lunacy?
Why would it be wrong to liken his chances of success to someone who's past is strikingly similar (Hutchinson) or even did more in college with out a long layoff (every other QB that flamed out based on potential)?

I'm not trying to shoot down any hopes of success for Henson by any means. But, I would like to see some of the illusions of grandeur surrounding Henson tempered or better yet spread around to encompass more of the Cowboys roster (notably another disenfranchised young QB with baseball past). I mean we're all Cowboys fans right? :)


A lot has to do with Henson physical abilities of why he was thought so highly by the staff at Mich as well as Pro scouts, he posses the size arm strength and quick delivery scouts and coaches look for. Brady was not noted as having a very strong arm; I will say Brady has since proved his critics wrong.

[jterrell]

I mean no disrespect to any player by this post.

With that said, how come Henson (in retrospect) was considered a #1 draft pick in the respective year of his graduation/declaration but Brady was not? If Brady sat ahead of him on the depth chart at Michigan (thus limiting Henson's starts) why was he only considered a 6th round pick?

It seems the pseudo draft status was based mostly on potential, correct?

If that is the case, how come to most optimistic fans, comparing Henson to other potentially good players (ones who actually did something and/or played a full season in college) is considered disrespect or lunacy?
Why would it be wrong to liken his chances of success to someone who's past is strikingly similar (Hutchinson) or even did more in college with out a long layoff (every other QB that flamed out based on potential)?

I'm not trying to shoot down any hopes of success for Henson by any means. But, I would like to see some of the illusions of grandeur surrounding Henson tempered or better yet spread around to encompass more of the Cowboys roster (notably another disenfranchised young QB with baseball past). I mean we're all Cowboys fans right? :)

Brady coming out was labeled with a weak arm. He doesnt have the howitzer many here and many scouts prefer.

He can struggle on deep outs. His deep passes have air under them.

Too many people ignored his accuracy and ability to move the ball to the right guy by reading coverage.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I find it funny the amount of crap Donovan McNabb takes on this board. You'd think the guy had no business being an NFL QB if you believed half the junk said about him here.

Everyone rags on the guys completion %, his "accuracy", even his passing yardage.

What matters is TOUCHDOWNS and moving the offense. Last I looked, TDs won football games. When he's not missing games, McNugget is good for well over 25 TDs, both rushing/passing. Sorry, but that's excellent.

McNabb is HORRIBLY misused by that fat Idiot Andy Reid. WCO is for dinking and dunking and RACs, McNabb has a big-time arm and isn't really accurate enough for a precise short passing game. He's a long-ball QB; always has been, always will be. If they had a more vertical, downfield attack, McNabb would easily be one of the top 5 (right now its debateable) QBs in the NFL. He's Randall Cunningham with MORE consistency. That being said, the guy IS overrated. The NFL and the football press makes it sound like he's a QB .

Even now, there's only a handful of QBs i'd rather have than McNabb.

Peyton Manning, Steve McNair, Dante Culpepper, Brett Farve and maybe Tom Brady.


Ahhh.... Yeah. That would be the top 5. I don't see where that can be considered abuse. Maybe I'm missing something.

[Nors]

Brady coming out was labeled with a weak arm. He doesnt have the howitzer many here and many scouts prefer.

He can struggle on deep outs. His deep passes have air under them.

Too many people ignored his accuracy and ability to move the ball to the right guy by reading coverage.

Thats quite the slippery slope. Read Schaubs draft evaluations and they are exactly the same as Brady's. Too slow, weak arm. Brady's arm BTW is not weak today. He can make all the throws and has improved on deep passes.

Losman, Rothsburger - those guys to me are busto's waiting to happen.

On Henson's potential, its about time he starts producing. He wasn't able to Beat out Brady in college. I know he was only a Frosh and Soph. He now needs to step up and perform at the next level. As Parcells said on Henson, oh this is going to be Rocky or something to that effect.

[Double Trouble]

http://www.freep.com/sports/umich/qum3.htm

Who will be Michigan's quarterback? Coach Lloyd Carr has a tough choice between Tom Brady and Drew Henson

August 3, 1999
BY NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

CHICAGO -- What will Lloyd Carr do?


Will he pick talented sophomore Drew Henson as Michigan's starting quarterback? Or will he stick with solid senior Tom Brady, who guided the Wolverines to a Big Ten co-championship last season? We'll know in less than a month.


At the Big Ten's preseason press conference Monday, Carr said he wouldn't wait until the week of the season opener to announce his quarterback plans, as he has in past years. He also left the impression that Henson's immense abilities are on his mind more than ever.


The first name Carr mentioned was Henson's.


"We've had a lot of discussion on our staff this summer about Drew Henson," Carr said. "The thing that impresses me is the ability he has defensively."


Pause.


"So the biggest question I have is whether he should play third base or shortstop," Carr said. "My own opinion is he should be a shortstop, but we'll see how that comes down."


Carr was kidding, hoping to quell his potential quarterback controversy with a bit of humor. But the joke showed that talking about Henson's minor league baseball career with the New York Yankees is much easier than talking about his role with the Wolverines right now.


"We're in an enviable position," Carr said. "I'll take that situation every single year. We're going to have a great situation. But it is going to be an extremely difficult decision."


Carr was careful to praise Brady, 6-feet-5, 213-pounds, who toiled for three seasons before becoming a starter.


"Brady did a tremendous job a year ago," Carr said. "What he did cannot be underplayed. I think he has the respect of his teammates. He's worked extremely hard."


But every word about Brady was prologue to praise of Henson, a 6-foot-4, 222-pound phenom who has in athleticism what Brady has in experience.


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Passing statistics for Tom Brady, Drew Henson last season:
G ATT CMP PCT YDS TD INT LNG
Brady 13 350 214 61.1 2,636 15 12 76
Henson 8 47 21 44.7 254 3 1 32

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"He is tremendously talented," Carr said of Henson. "He has great mobility and a great arm. He's as fine a college quarterback prospect as there is in the country. We'll just have to see how this goes."


Both quarterbacks worked exclusively with the first team during spring practice. Team sources said Henson was spectacular in his improvement, while Brady was good but mostly static. Should that pattern continue when practice begins Aug. 14, Henson could win the job in time for the Sept. 4 season opener against Notre Dame.


"We're just going to have to look at what we do here in training camp and make a decision," Carr said. "Our team will support the guy who is named as the quarterback, and they'll support the guy who isn't.


"Whoever is not named will be disappointed. That's to be expected. But I'm confident that he will also understand that he has an important role still to play on this team, and we'll pull together."


Henson will enter camp confidently, bolstered by his performance in baseball as much as in spring football. He had a productive summer with the Yankees, playing with their Class A affiliate at Tampa, Fla. -- two levels higher than expected. He hit .275 with 13 home runs and 37 RBIs in 68 games before returning to Ann Arbor last weekend.


"Having success, especially playing at a level higher than I thought I would be at, definitely goes a long way as far as my confidence," said Henson, who threw a football every day in Florida last week and is now working out twice a day. "It will carry over to football."

[Double Trouble]

And from Frank Coyle http://www.draftinsiders.com/2.html :

"He will command a lot of attention by clubs this March when the trading period opens on March 3rd. The Texans own his rights after selecting him in the 6th round last spring. IF he does not sign or agree to a trade before the NFL Draft ’04 on April 24th, he goes back in the draft again. The Texans have received several offers for Henson with an early round pick on the table currently. In this current draft, he most likely would not go before any of the top three QB prospects and would have to be considered a first round bubble prospect if he reenters this class. He could be the steal of the draft at that point. Terrific prospect with the talent to be an elite NFL starter. Though he is clearly a developmental project at this point after being out of football three seasons, he has the package to make up ground quickly. His ability to step up to a high level during the '00 season with such little playing experience indicated that he is a natural for the position. If, and it is a big if, he had stayed in school and developed further we would be talking about Drew Henson as the top NFL prospect the past three years instead of David Carr, Carson Palmer or Eli Manning. He most likely would have to sit and learn during the '04 season but his fast progress since December indicates he is capable of playing this summer. He is a mature athlete and has all the physical and mental talents to adjust quickly and challenge for a starting job as early as the '05 season. He is a true franchise type passer who got caught between decisions over two sports and his initial decision was an obvious incorrect one. He is still very young and just turned 24 years old and has the time to recoup any lost time due to the career change. He is a passer with the ability to be as good as any starting QB in the NFL in time with the athletic ability and mental skills necessary to become a Pro Bowl performer. Clubs like the Cowboys, Browns, Dolphins, Bills, Steelers and Raiders are interested and would be wise to spend a top 100 selection in either of the next two drafts. Henson is that good and a #2 pick say in the NFL Draft ’05 could wind up as the steal of the decade on a player who is capable of being a league MVP winner over his career."

[Doomsday101]

Double Trouble, Thanks for posting the artical. I admit I'm excited about the prospect of Henson. I think he is the closest thing we have had to a franchise QB prospect since Aikman was drafted in 89.

[Double Trouble]

Double Trouble, Thanks for posting the artical. I admit I'm excited about the prospect of Henson. I think he is the closest thing we have had to a franchise QB prospect since Aikman was drafted in 89.
I haven't been this excited about a Cowboy prospect since 1989.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Thats quite the slippery slope. Read Schaubs draft evaluations and they are exactly the same as Brady's. Too slow, weak arm. Brady's arm BTW is not weak today. He can make all the throws and has improved on deep passes.

Losman, Rothsburger - those guys to me are busto's waiting to happen.

On Henson's potential, its about time he starts producing. He wasn't able to Beat out Brady in college. I know he was only a Frosh and Soph. He now needs to step up and perform at the next level. As Parcells said on Henson, oh this is going to be Rocky or something to that effect.

I know I'm going to regret this but here goes.

It is a mystery to me how you can look at Henson and fault him for not starting over Brady while at Michigan. I mean, I have to believe that you do not follow Michigan football. If you did, you would know how close Henson came to beating out Brady as a Soph. You also really have to understand why the decisions were made as they were. Somebody mentioned before that Loyd Carr values experience and that's true. He plays upper classman. If it's close, he's always going to choose to play Sr. players as it should be.

What's really ironic here is that in an earlier post, I believe of yours, you indicated that you thought Brady was a top 5 QB in the NFL yet he did not beat out Griese. Griese was drafted in 98. Brady was a Sr. drafted in 2000. That would mean that Brady sat for 2 years behind Griese before he got to play. I think that everybody would agree Brady is the better of the two. I ask, what does the fact that Brady couldn't beat out Griese mean in the larger scope of things? I think it amounts to very little. I agree that Henson has to prove much before he will ever play in the NFL but I also think that this whole Henson couldn't beat out Brady thing holds very little water. We should probably leave that line of thought out of the equation but that's just me.

[MichaelWinicki]

I know I'm going to regret this but here goes.



Yes you will.

You're a brave but very foolish man.

[Nors]

I know I'm going to regret this but here goes.

It is a mystery to me how you can look at Henson and fault him for not starting over Brady while at Michigan. I mean, I have to believe that you do not follow Michigan football. If you did, you would know how close Henson came to beating out Brady as a Soph. You also really have to understand why the decisions were made as they were. Somebody mentioned before that Loyd Carr values experience and that's true. He plays upper classman. If it's close, he's always going to choose to play Sr. players as it should be.

What's really ironic here is that in an earlier post, I believe of yours, you indicated that you thought Brady was a top 5 QB in the NFL yet he did not beat out Griese. Griese was drafted in 98. Brady was a Sr. drafted in 2000. That would mean that Brady sat for 2 years behind Griese before he got to play. I think that everybody would agree Brady is the better of the two. I ask, what does the fact that Brady couldn't beat out Griese mean in the larger scope of things? I think it amounts to very little. I agree that Henson has to prove much before he will ever play in the NFL but I also think that this whole Henson couldn't beat out Brady thing holds very little water. We should probably leave that line of thought out of the equation but that's just me.

Maybe I put too much into the fact that Henson did not beat out Brady. Its just the constant "Henson is " and the Next Franchise QB label that irks me. Its all based moreso on potential versus production. Thats all.

On Griese versus Brady, Brady was a NOBODY but Henson was the next ELWAY as a Freshman. A little different situation. Brady also played little football in his earlier days. I also think Griese was an outstanding QB at the time and had a few Extraordinary seasons at Denver. He's underachieved since (drinking is my guess).

Curious - what season did Elway start in College? I have to look it up.

Your points noted and acknowledged.

[Nors]

Yes you will.

You're a brave but very foolish man.
You bring little to the table other than to slander those with different views?

Are you the son of SBK? :p
Thats it!

[Doomsday101]

Maybe I put too much into the fact that Henson did not beat out Brady. Its just the constant "Henson is " and the Next Franchise QB label that irks me. Its all based moreso on potential versus production. Thats all.

On Griese versus Brady, Brady was a NOBODY but Henson was the next ELWAY as a Freshman. A little different situation. Brady also played little football in his earlier days. I also think Griese was an outstanding QB at the time and had a few Extraordinary seasons at Denver. He's underachieved since (drinking is my guess).

Curious - what season did Elway start in College? I have to look it up.

Your points noted and acknowledged.

Well I do think Highly of Henson but I do not think he is . LOL What some are excited about is his physical ablities. Not many QB posses all the physical abilities that Henson does have which again is why he was thought of so highly by many in the NFL ranks. Granted that does not ensure us that he will be the next great QB but it does give you a better chance that he could be based on his talent.

[MichaelWinicki]

You bring little to the table other than to slander those with different views?

Are you the son of SBK? :p
Thats it!


Come'on Nors I only slander, er, I mean comment on your views.

Just consider me the board's version of Bill O'Reilly and you're in Mike Winicki's "No BS Zone".

[Nors]

Come'on Nors I only slander, er, I mean comment on your views.

Just consider me the board's version of Bill O'Reilly and you're in Mike Winicki's "No BS Zone".
Always felt Reilly was a total hypocrite. All the guy does is spin his own agenda! Not that I disagree with him but his spinning in the no spin zone is a walking contradiction.

[Nors]

http://collegefootball.org/famersearch.php?id=80032

Elway started Sophomore seasons, Henson Junior. Probably does not mean too much. Both baseball players and the next can't miss Superstar Franchise QB'S.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maybe I put too much into the fact that Henson did not beat out Brady. Its just the constant "Henson is " and the Next Franchise QB label that irks me. Its all based moreso on potential versus production. Thats all.

On Griese versus Brady, Brady was a NOBODY but Henson was the next ELWAY as a Freshman. A little different situation. Brady also played little football in his earlier days. I also think Griese was an outstanding QB at the time and had a few Extraordinary seasons at Denver. He's underachieved since (drinking is my guess).

Curious - what season did Elway start in College? I have to look it up.

Your points noted and acknowledged.


Elway was taken 1st over all in the great 1983 QB draft that included Blackledge, Kelly, Eason, O'Brien, Marino and, many forget, the incomperable Babe Laufenberg. 6th round, 28th pick out of Indiana taken by the Redskins.

I believe Elway was a Jr. when he came out of Stanford. Interestingly enough, he was not drafted by Denver but instead by the Colts. Upon his selection, Elway elected to play Baseball. I believe his rights are still held by the Yankees. When the Colts realized that he was going to play Baseball, they entered into negotiations and actually got a deal worked out for a trade. Funny thing thou, between the time discussions were completed between the two teams and 12:30 in the AM, another team called Baltimore and the deal that had been agreed upon but not yet forwarded to the league office was dead. The team that had worked out a deal for John Elway was the Dallas Cowboys and the team that called Baltimore in the middle of the night with a better offer was Denver. True story. I guess you look back at what could have been.

After reading this you may ask, "This is all great but what does this story have to do with anything?" The answer would be about as much as Elway has to do with Henson. Lets try and stick to what is important. Henson should be judged on what he does on the field. When it's all said and done, that is what will win him the job or decide his fate in the NFL. He should not be exulted as the next Super QB or as a Hutch clone. EOS

[Nors]

This you master of the obvious lead in.

Lets try and stick to what is important. Henson should be judged on what he does on the field. When it's all said and done, that is what will win him the job or decide his fate in the NFL. He should not be exulted as the next Super QB or as a Hutch clone. EOS


Well unless your crystal Ball is better than my crystal ball there is reason for discussion on this matter. BOS

[Doomsday101]

This you master of the obvious lead in.

Lets try and stick to what is important. Henson should be judged on what he does on the field. When it's all said and done, that is what will win him the job or decide his fate in the NFL. He should not be exulted as the next Super QB or as a Hutch clone. EOS


Well unless your crystal Ball is better than my crystal ball there is reason for discussion on this matter. BOS

I agree with that however do you think people looked at Elway the same way they looked at Carter when each came out of college? Of course not Elway had all the skills and abilities that scouts and coaches look for. In the end you are right no one can say for sure how Henson will turn out but there is a reason he was so highly touted just as there was a reason Elway was so highly touted.

[ABQCOWBOY]

This you master of the obvious lead in.




Well unless your crystal Ball is better than my crystal ball there is reason for discussion on this matter. BOS

Little confused here Nors. Are you speaking to me here or are you argueing with yourself again?

No matter, in answer to your question, you should not be offended when people clearly see what it is your doing and elect to slam the door on your obviouse attempts to ingage in pointless discussion.

In honesty, I would love to talk about the merrits of each QB intelligently but it's impossible on this board. There are always posters like you that want to push an agenda rather then discuss actual facts.

For that reason, the best option is to wait and see. I will wait and see how Henson does and I won't try to make him into Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman simply because I have a man crush on him. (See your numerous posts about Quincy Carter). He is what he is. Soon enough, we will all see that for ourselves. Then perhaps we can all get passed this tired little arguement.

[Nors]

Little confused here Nors. Are you speaking to me here or are you argueing with yourself again?

No matter, in answer to your question, you should not be offended when people clearly see what it is your doing and elect to slam the door on your obviouse attempts to ingage in pointless discussion.

In honesty, I would love to talk about the merrits of each QB intelligently but it's impossible on this board. There are always posters like you that want to push an agenda rather then discuss actual facts.

For that reason, the best option is to wait and see. I will wait and see how Henson does and I won't try to make him into Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman simply because I have a man crush on him. (See your numerous posts about Quincy Carter). He is what he is. Soon enough, we will all see that for ourselves. Then perhaps we can all get passed this tired little arguement.

You accuse an agenda at me thats not all true to prove your agenda. Oh brother

[ABQCOWBOY]

You accuse an agenda at me thats not all true to prove your agenda. Oh brother


LOL....


I'm sorry Nors. It's so difficult for me to understand what it is you are trying to tell me when you have no idea what it is you are saying yourself.

:You accuse an agenda at me thats not all true to prove your agenda."


What are you trying to say?

Are you saying that I am accusing you of having and agenda and that is not true? Are you saying that I'm accusing you of this, while trying to push an agenda of my own?

If this is what you are trying to say I will agree. I do have an agenda. My agenda is to avoid discussing issues that have no hope of leading to intelligent conversation.

I have said that Henson should be allowed to prove what he is or is not on the field rather then being labled one thing or the other.

I have said that it is unfair to hold the fact that he didn't start his first two years against him when the guy that did start, also sat his first two years behind an inferior NFL QB.

Scandelous, is it not?

I have a simple solution to the problem. Why don't we just wait and see what Henson can do when/if he gets his chance? Surely, you can not have issue with that.

Then again, you are Nors. Well, maybe you can just add me to your ignor list and then everything will be settled.


LOL

[Nors]

LOL....


I'm sorry Nors. It's so difficult for me to understand what it is you are trying to tell me when you have no idea what it is you are saying yourself.

:You accuse an agenda at me thats not all true to prove your agenda."


What are you trying to say?

Are you saying that I am accusing you of having and agenda and that is not true? Are you saying that I'm accusing you of this, while trying to push an agenda of my own?

If this is what you are trying to say I will agree. I do have an agenda. My agenda is to avoid discussing issues that have no hope of leading to intelligent conversation.

I have said that Henson should be allowed to prove what he is or is not on the field rather then being labled one thing or the other.

I have said that it is unfair to hold the fact that he didn't start his first two years against him when the guy that did start, also sat his first two years behind an inferior NFL QB.

Scandelous, is it not?

I have a simple solution to the problem. Why don't we just wait and see what Henson can do when/if he gets his chance? Surely, you can not have issue with that.

Then again, you are Nors. Well, maybe you can just add me to your ignor list and then everything will be settled.


LOL

He said:
"For that reason, the best option is to wait and see. I will wait and see how Henson does and I won't try to make him into Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman simply because I have a man crush on him. (See your numerous posts about Quincy Carter). He is what he is. Soon enough, we will all see that for ourselves. Then perhaps we can all get passed this tired little arguement."

YOUR AGENDA

[ABQCOWBOY]

He said:
"For that reason, the best option is to wait and see. I will wait and see how Henson does and I won't try to make him into Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman simply because I have a man crush on him. (See your numerous posts about Quincy Carter). He is what he is. Soon enough, we will all see that for ourselves. Then perhaps we can all get passed this tired little arguement."

YOUR AGENDA



LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is my agenda again? I think I understand the problem here.

Here, I think I can help.

http://www.esylvan.com/BB/BBFundRead.aspx

Go to this link.

I think the problem is two fold. Not only do you not understand what I am saying to you, the issue is compounded by the fact that you do not know what you are saying either. This is really a marvoulis study in stupidity. I'm sure there is a whole team of scientist just looking for a specimen like you.

Here, you might enjoy this.

www.dwighthigh.k12.il.us/students/hodgsong/papers_stupid.htm

You should pay particular attention to this one.

LOL........... Who's on first? Had I not actually been here myself, I would never have believed it. Mike you were right. This is unbelieveable.

[iceberg]

you do realize you're talking (term used loosely) to a guy who quoted himself in an argument then went on to yell at himself for misquoting him?

[ABQCOWBOY]

you do realize you're talking (term used loosely) to a guy who quoted himself in an argument then went on to yell at himself for misquoting him?


It's really a fantastic think. It's like shooting caged Bunnies with a BB gun. You know it's sick and twisted but you just can't seem to take your eyes of it.

It's absolutly surreal.

Listen Nors, as fascinating as this whole experience is for me, I don't think it's very healthy for you. I am going to go because I no longer wish to pull the wings off of the little butterflies. Plus, I don't want to stay at work. Nors, please look into those links I sent you.

Michael, once again, you were right. I was soo vary wrong.

Ice, fore knowing is fore warned. Good advice, I'll try to take it. Thank you.

[iceberg]

It's really a fantastic think. It's like shooting caged Bunnies with a BB gun. You know it's sick and twisted but you just can't seem to take your eyes of it.

It's absolutly surreal.

Listen Nors, as fascinating as this whole experience is for me, I don't think it's very healthy for you. I am going to go because I no longer wish to pull the wings off of the little butterflies. Plus, I don't want to stay at work. Nors, please look into those links I sent you.

Michael, once again, you were right. I was soo vary wrong.

Ice, fore knowing is fore warned. Good advice, I'll try to take it. Thank you.

i can't promise i won't go "what the???" from time to time myself. :)

[Nors]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

LETS WAIT UNTIL IT HAPPENS AND DISCUSS IT AFTERWARDS. lol

[iceberg]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

LETS WAIT UNTIL IT HAPPENS AND DISCUSS IT AFTERWARDS. lol

nothing can *ever* change the *fact* (like my clever use of *'s? i think it's better than all caps and bolding text) that you quoted yourself mad at you as misquoting yourself as if you were someone else.

i've never seen a greater display of stupidity, and no, that's not my fault.

if you don't even know who you're talking about, why should i give you the benefit of the doubt you know what you're talking about?