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The30YardSlant
09-05-2005, 01:04 PM
WOW....

http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112242

Which team has the upper advantage with each starting player? I'm basing these starters from both teams depth charts.

OFFENSE

QB: Ramsey vs Bledsoe - I'd say a tie just because if you flip flop them around (with Bledsoe on the Skins, Ramsey on the Cowboys, you could get the same results)

HB: Portis vs Jones - We have the advantage here. No doubt about it. Jones may be an up and coming player, but who wouldn't want Portis?

FB/H-Back: Cooley vs Polite - Polite, WHO? Next position!

TE: Royal vs Witten - Not even a challenge. Dallas by a mile.

WRs: Moss/Patten vs Johnson/Glenn - Another tie. Moss and Johnson can both make game breaking plays. Patten and Glenn are both above average.

OTs: Samuels/Jansen vs Adams/Petitti - I think we have the better advantage here. Samuels and Adams may be close, but Jansen is just way more superior than Petitti.

OGs: Dockery/Thomas vs Allen/Rivera - Cowboys, only because both Allen and Rivera have been proven to be efficient guards before. Thomas is solid but Dockery can struggle at times.

C: Rabach vs Johnson - I don't know much about Johnson, but all I can say is that Rabach is a very good center (much better than Raymer) and is quite an improvement.

DEFENSE

DEs: Wynn/Daniels vs Ellis/Coleman - Tie. Wynn and Daniels combined may equal Ellis' performance, but Coleman isn't that much better.

DTs: Griffin/Salave'a vs Ferguson/Glover - You can't really compare this because of the Cowboys' 3-4 defense, but if Ferguson and Glover are combined, they are a far better pair than Griffin and Salave'a.

OLBs: Washington/Arrington vs Ware/Singleton - I know a lot of Dallas fans may be hyped about Ware, but you can't deny that the combination of Washington and Arrington is deadly.

MLBs: Marshall/Holdman vs James/Nguyen - Like with the DTs, this isn't really fair to compare. I'd say the Cowboys' situation and depth at MLB is better than ours though.

CBs: Springs/Rogers vs Newman/Henry - As of right now, Rogers isn't starting yet but even with that to note, he hasn't proven anything. I don't think my perception of this will change even with Harris going in for Rogers. Dallas upgraded their secondary (at least cornerbacks) in the offeason and there's no doubt about Newman and Henry being a better pair.

FS: Taylor vs Davis - Do I really need to explain this one?

SS: Williams vs Bowen - Let's flip the "Do I really need to explain this one?" to Dallas' side.
DallasEast
09-05-2005, 01:06 PM
Agreed. As far as many Redskin fans are concerned, the success of their season hangs strictly on beating the Cowboys--regardless of their overall record. Their attention should be focused more on beating the Eagles twice, not Dallas.
The30YardSlant
09-05-2005, 01:07 PM
They had a thread a while back where at least half of them said theyd rather beat us twice and miss the playoffs than lose twice and make the playoffs. Pathetic
Big Country
09-05-2005, 01:08 PM
Their obsession's gonna hit them smack dab in da mouth come the second MNF...
Gordon
09-05-2005, 01:10 PM
The comparison really don't work considering we run different offense and defenses pretty much. Polite will rarely be on the field. Considering Cooley is pretty much a TE, it'd be more fair to do Royal/Cooley vs. Witten/Campbell, which isn't even close.

I wouldn't call WRs a tie, ours are better, and Ramsey = Bledsoe is laughable, which I'm happy to see a couple Redskin fans agreed with in that thread from reading only the first page.
The30YardSlant
09-05-2005, 01:12 PM
I just dont thinkl Redskin fans get how much dominance 14 out of 15 signifies
Chief
09-05-2005, 01:13 PM
Who wouldn't want Portis?

How about his college coach (Butch Davis) and the coach who drafted him (Mike Shanahan).

Butch likes everybody, especially his own guys, yet he chose a headcase like William Green over Portis.

And it didn't take Shanahan long to see what a disruption he is.
DallasEast
09-05-2005, 01:14 PM
They had a thread a while back where at least half of them said theyd rather beat us twice and miss the playoffs than lose twice and make the playoffs. PatheticHate is too strong a word. I despise the Redskins, but football is football. If I had their attitude, I would have hated the fact that Dallas lost both games to Washington in '95, but won the Super Bowl.

Redskin fans. Ya gotta luv 'em. :banghead:
WoodysGirl
09-05-2005, 01:15 PM
I thought the observations were objective enough. Even admitting he doesn't know much about some of the players being compared.

It's no more than what we do here when comparing ourselves to the Eagles. The skins aspire to be on our level. We aspire to be on and surpass the Eagles level.
roughneck266
09-05-2005, 01:15 PM
I agree with alot of it. The Bledsoe/ Ramsey comparison is friggin hilarious! Ramsey has done nothing nut lay on his back! Bledsoe is what Ramsey ASPIRES to be!
Grizz
09-05-2005, 01:19 PM
They had a thread a while back where at least half of them said theyd rather beat us twice and miss the playoffs than lose twice and make the playoffs.

This isn't a choice, it's an no solution conundrum because both equations are impossible. They won't beat us twice and they won't make the playoffs so neither condition can be satisfied.

In simpler terms, they stink.
DallasEast
09-05-2005, 01:19 PM
I thought the observations were objective enough. Even admitting he doesn't know much about some of the players being compared.

It's no more than what we do here when comparing ourselves to the Eagles. The skins aspire to be on our level. We aspire to be on and surpass the Eagles level.But, if you aspire to be the best, should you not try to compare yourself only to the best? Pending the results of this season, Washington fans know that the Eagles are the class of the division and the conference. Yet, they still worry most about us. I don't get it.
DeWare94
09-05-2005, 01:24 PM
i think our corners are better than theres
WoodysGirl
09-05-2005, 01:25 PM
But, if you aspire to be the best, should you not try to compare yourself only to the best? Pending the results of this season, Washington fans know that the Eagles are the class of the division and the conference. Yet, they still worry most about us. I don't get it.I can agree with that. But for the skins, the Eagles have probably been so far out of reach that the Cowboys are the only team they feel like they compare to. Even though we've beaten them over and over in any number of ways; they feel like that in many of the losses they were close enuff to beat us. And more than likely, for them, maybe they feel the only way to get over the hump to get to the eagles is to beat Dallas.
The30YardSlant
09-05-2005, 01:26 PM
They have been living vicariously through the Eagles defeats of Dallas for years now.....
DallasEast
09-05-2005, 01:28 PM
I can agree with that. But for the skins, the Eagles have probably been so far out of reach that the Cowboys are the only team they feel like they compare to. Even though we've beaten them over and over in any number of ways; they feel like that in many of the losses they were close enuff to beat us. And more than likely, for them, maybe they feel the only way to get over the hump to get to the eagles is to beat Dallas.Well, good luck to them because they're in our rearview mirror. They'll need a police officer to stop us from speeding for them to catch up with us. :p:
blindzebra
09-05-2005, 01:30 PM
Gotta love the irony of title of this thread considering someone has been hanging out there, reading their forum, and taking the time to start a thread about them. :D
The30YardSlant
09-05-2005, 01:33 PM
Gotta love the irony of title of this thread considering someone has been hanging out there, reading their forum, and taking the time to start a thread about them. :D


They are always good for a cheap laugh
dwmyers
09-05-2005, 01:34 PM
The problem with Offense versus Offense and Defense versus Defense comparisons is that you're comparing the wrong things. Our offense doesn't play theirs, our defense does. Further, they're just comparing nominal starters. On the defensive line at least, we'll be using a rotation. Finally, this kind of comparison is just a raw talent comparison, and not about quality of fit and understanding of the scheme (or, for that matter, the caliber of the coaches).

David.
DallasEast
09-05-2005, 01:39 PM
The problem with Offense versus Offense and Defense versus Defense comparisons is that you're comparing the wrong things. Our offense doesn't play theirs, our defense does. Further, they're just comparing nominal starters. On the defensive line at least, we'll be using a rotation. Finally, this kind of comparison is just a raw talent comparison, and not about quality of fit and understanding of the scheme (or, for that matter, the caliber of the coaches).Excellent points.
BlueStar22
09-05-2005, 01:54 PM
I wouldn't call Allen and Rivera efficient. Both are Pro Bowlers. And Coleman started in preseason due to player injury.
big dog cowboy
09-05-2005, 02:08 PM
Redskins fans after losing again and again and again vs. the Cowboys = scrambled brains.