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CHARGERS, SAN DIEGO NEARING A DEAL



It's almost time to cross the Chargers off of the short list of teams on the L.A. list.



According to the North County Times, the Chargers and the City of San Diego are close to an agreement on a lease that would keep the Chargers in Qualcomm Stadium through at least the 2008 season.



It's actually a ten-year lease, but the Chargers can get out of it after 2008 with a payment of $57.775 million. The Chargers can get out after 2009 for $56 million, and after 2010 for $24 million.



As a practical matter, this takes the Chargers out of the pool of potential franchises that could move to Los Angeles in an effort by the NFL to placate the networks, whose return on the billion-dollar NFL investment surely would increase by putting a team back in the nation's No. 2 television market.



So who'll make the move? For now, the Saints, Vikings, and Colts are the three primary candidates -- primarily since they're the only three teams who have been unsuccessful in their efforts to get new digs over the past decade.



We also won't rule out, however, the possibility of a team like the Raiders or the Cowboys (who now hold their training camp in Cali) trying to squat on the lucrative L.A. market. And with concerns that the folks in Los Angeles might be ambivalent about the return of football, our guess is that the NFL will be looking to make a big splash.



We realize that the Cowboys are a long shot, and that the mere suggestion of such a move likely will be regarded in Big D as sacrilege. But Jerry Jones is capable of doing it, especially if the move could be justified as being in the best interests of the league.



And the move likely would be followed by a move of the Colts, Saints, or Vikings to Texas -- with either the Colts or Saints heading to Dallas, or the Vikes to owner Red McCombs' hometown of San Antonio.



As to the Saints, New Orleans is beating the deadline by only a few days to complete a $15 million payment to the team, which is part of a 2001 contract intended to keep the Saints from leaving town.
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My comment: Yeah right. Although this is cliche, I truly believe that Jerry Jones would literally be killed if he tried to move the Cowboys from Texas. I'm not talking about taking a PR beating. I'm talking about Jackie Sherrill castrating a bull type violence. Keep fishing, PFT.com.

[TheKey]

I tried to tell you guys.

It might happen.

[Doomsday101]

I tried to tell you guys.

It might happen.

Why because some idiot posted in his artical? Dallas is not moving any wheres

[joseephuss]

I tried to tell you guys.

It might happen.

Nope. Getting rid of the Cowboys is not in the best interest of the league. Getting a team in L.A. is and there are easier options such has relocating either Indy or Minnesota.

[Doomsday101]

Nope. Getting rid of the Cowboys is not in the best interest of the league. Getting a team in L.A. is and there are easier options such has relocating either Indy or Minnesota.

I'm not sure why it is in the interest of the NFL. LA had the Rams and Raiders and attendance for both were not good. It forced the Rams to St. Louis and the Raiders back to Oakland. I guess I just feel that if you had a team let alone 2 teams and were not willing to try and keep them then why should you get yet another team?

[blindzebra]

The LA thing is over-hyped. There are too many other things to do around LA for a team to generate the kind of money the NFL wants from that market.

The NFL fans in that market actually have it great. They can attach themselves to any team and see all their games on TV, without any blackouts. They only drawback is seeing them in person regularly.

[Yeagermeister]

The LA Vikings?????? :D

[jterrell]

I tried to tell you guys.

It might happen.
Dude, consider the source here.

Dallas wants a sweeter stadium deal then any LA football team has ever come close to getting. People in LA are Laker fans and can fill a small basketball stadium but football is another beast altogether. If teams have struggled in LA why would Jones risk that? He knows he can be the biggest grossing team in the league right here.

If you were talking NY ok. LA, nope.

[EGG]

I tried to tell you guys.

It might happen.

Keep trying, we'll keep laughing at you....

[GTaylor]

PFT is going with the tired "Make up a story about Dallas" bit, all it proves is that 1) They're biased against Dallas and 2) Slow news day.

[Erik_H]

The LA Vikings?????? :D

Wouldn't be any worse than the LA Lakers (named after the lakes of Minny).

What I would find bizarre woul dbe the LA Saints! Yeah RIGHT!

But the titans set a precedent, the team that moves could change the name as well.

As far as the Cowboys go, there's no way this happens, but at the same time the Stadium deal in TX is up in the air, so I don't see anything wrong with including them on the list, since it was qualified that that was the parameters PFT used.

[TheKey]

Dallas needs a stadium, Dallas wont give it to them

Explain why our camp is in Oxnard, to gain Cali fans.

[Doomsday101]

Dallas needs a stadium, Dallas wont give it to them

Explain why our camp is in Oxnard, to gain Cali fans.

For many years Dallas training camp was in Thousand Oaks Cali. This is not the 1st time they have trained there.

Only reason Dallas was in that artical was because they are in discussions on a new stadium which is also the case for the saints,vikes and colts. I have no doubts what so ever about Dallas remaining in the DFW area

[TheKey]

Who will give us a new stadium if Dallas, can't give it to us.

Not Arlington.
Not Grapevine.
Not Rowlett.
Not Fort Worth.

[Doomsday101]

Who will give us a new stadium if Dallas, can't give it to us.

Not Arlington.
Not Grapevine.
Not Rowlett.
Not Fort Worth.

You worry too much. Get over it Dallas is not moving. Dallas Cowboys is one of the biggest marketing teams in all of professional sports and no way Jerry is going to let that slip away and a move to LA would do exactly that.

[TheKey]

Don't sidestep it.

If Dallas or Irving, wont pony up the cash or land.

What makes you think the smaller cities could?

[Doomsday101]

Don't sidestep it.

If Dallas or Irving, wont pony up the cash or land.

What makes you think the smaller cities could?

I take you are not from around these part? Irvin is not a big city at all and some of the other cities such as Arlington is bigger. There are also many different sounding counties in that area. But keep on with this but it is getting extreamly old. Like chicken little saying the sky is falling.

Here is a list of surrounding areas with in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, granted some bit futher out but it shows that there are ample situation for the Cowboys

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[LaTunaNostra]

We realize that the Cowboys are a long shot, and that the mere suggestion of such a move likely will be regarded in Big D as sacrilege. But Jerry Jones is capable of doing it, especially if the move could be justified as being in the best interests of the league.



What Jerry is "capable of", as a shrewd businessman, is squeezing every last bit of advantage out of everyone involved - local politicians, the business community, Tags office - in any venue he sets his eyes on.

The abrupt way he just "withdrew" the recent stadium plan, and left the city council and sundry politicians aghast, was just classic. They were hedging on a referendum date for political reasons (some favoring a low voter turnout), but to have the plan just whisked away evidently left some with egg on their faces.

JJ'll get what he wants, but no way he has to leave Texas to get it.

PS. What's in the "best interests of the league" is internationally recognizable franchises REMAINING so, aka the "Dallas" Cowboys .

[Nors]

What Jerry is "capable of", as a shrewd businessman, is squeezing every last bit of advantage out of everyone involved - local politicians, the business community, Tags office - in any venue he sets his eyes on.

The abrupt way he just "withdrew" the recent stadium plan, and left the city council and sundry politicians aghast, was just classic. They were hedging on a referendum date for political reasons (some favoring a low voter turnout), but to have the plan just whisked away evidently left some with egg on their faces.

JJ'll get what he wants, but no way he has to leave Texas to get it.

PS. What's in the "best interests of the league" is internationally recognizable franchises REMAINING so, aka the "Dallas" Cowboys .


Didn't Kraft take this tactic to the next level with his almost move to Hartford?

In the end someone will pony up to back Jerry.

Dallas local's - curious - Is it an option to build a new stadium on current location?

[Doomsday101]

Didn't Kraft take this tactic to the next level with his almost move to Hartford?

In the end someone will pony up to back Jerry.

Dallas local's - curious - Is it an option to build a new stadium on current location?

Not much of an option at the current location because of the lack of space to do all what Jerry plans on.

[Mike 1967]

If Model (sp?) could not take the Browns logo to Baltimore....then there is no way in hell that Jerry would be able to take the Dallas Logo to LA.

Jerry very well could take his franchise to LA....but another money group would quickly swoop in an buy the rights to the DALLAS COWBOYS with the Star on the helmet.

[Doomsday101]

If Model (sp?) could not take the Browns logo to Baltimore....then there is no way in hell that Jerry would be able to take the Dallas Logo to LA.

Jerry very well could take his franchise to LA....but another money group would quickly swoop in an buy the rights to the DALLAS COWBOYS with the Star on the helmet.

And just like everyother situation like that they would demand a new stadium just as it happened in Houston and just like Cleveland.

[TheKey]

So if a new team would be coming in anyway why would they not give Jerry a new stadium now.

And Jerry would be losing so much money by losing the cowboys name.





PS. Did I hear he may be willing to renovate TS instead?

[Doomsday101]

So if a new team would be coming in anyway why would they not give Jerry a new stadium now.

And Jerry would be losing so much money by losing the cowboys name.


This is all just politics right now, the Cowboys will get something worked out be in the City of Dallas or one of the surrounding areas. I do agree that the notion of another group putting a team in Dallas given the senerio above would still require Dallas or one of the surrounding cities to build a new stadium, there is no way around it.

[TheKey]

http://www.kansas.com/mld/dfw/news/columnists/3527480.htm

Posted on Sun, Jun. 23, 2002

Somehow, Cowboys will get new home

Bob Ray Sanders COMMENTARY

Texas Stadium, home to the Dallas Cowboys for more than 30 years, has grown old.


Its age is showing terribly, from its patchy white roof to its deteriorating interior.


It looks tired, and a mere face-lift won't help it very much.


Maybe a complete makeover - one that would change its look entirely, increase seating capacity by 20,000 or so, replace artificial turf with real grass and add a retractable roof - would make a difference that owner Jerry Jones could accept.


That's what I understand some leaders of Irving are proposing.


Meanwhile, Jones has gone shopping for a brand-new stadium, hoping to use someone else's credit cards and cash to pay for it.


He has big dreams and already has preliminary drawings for a 100,000-seat stadium that would anchor a major development of office buildings, a sports theme park and a Cowboys hall of fame museum.


More than three decades ago, Irving came to the team's rescue when the Cowboys wanted to leave a decaying Cotton Bowl and a then-decaying south Dallas, so the city naturally wants to keep the team there.


Arlington and Grapevine would also like to attract "America's Team" to their city limits for sheer bragging rights, if nothing else.


The key to any deal will be some (and maybe a lot) of public financing, something Jones will insist on whether the Cowboys move or stay put.


That definitely presents a problem for Arlington, whose tax-weary citizens have been turning down projects recently that would increase their sales taxes. Just last month, voters rejected a transit proposal that would have required a sales tax increase.


Arlington residents have indicated that they are more interested in filling potholes than building another stadium, a Smithsonian-related museum or a transit system.


Grapevine has apparently been the most aggressive in pursuing the Cowboys.


City officials there have already identified a prospective 1,000-acre site, on Dallas/Fort Worth Airport land, for Jones' proposed development.


Some people think that Dallas ought to fight to reclaim the team that bears its name.


Of course, Big D has its own financial woes right now, facing a budget shortfall of more than $80 million. In addition, the city is wrestling with a flawed Trinity River project that is yet to get off the ground and disgruntled public safety employees who are demanding more pay.


When Ron Kirk was mayor, he said Dallas should not try to entice the team away from Irving, that the suburban city should be given every chance to keep the Cowboys.


That sentiment was nowhere to be found when the Texas Rangers were looking for a new stadium. Dallas actively tried to "steal" the baseball team from Arlington.


If there is to be a new Cowboys stadium, Jones will have to start narrowing his options real soon, because his lease with Irving runs out in 2008. Reportedly he has proposed leasing the stadium year to year after that.


That presupposes that the Cowboys might build on another site and will have to continue playing at Texas Stadium until the new facility is ready, which could be well after 2008.


If there were a major renovation and expansion of the existing stadium, the team would probably have to find another place to play home games until that project was done. Think Cotton.


I frankly have a problem with cities financing big-ticket facilities for rich owners with moneymaking franchises, but that is the way of professional sports these days.


There's no doubt that the Cowboys need a new stadium and that Jones will get public financing from some city to build it.


My hope is that he doesn't hold Irving hostage in the process.


Or has that already happened, and we just don't know the exact amount of the ransom?

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hmm, lease ends in 2008....



not gonna happen.

That my friends is not a accident. Lease out in 2008, team in la BY 2008.

Besides, read the paragraph about Grapevine. Thats where it will be.

[Skeptic]

(shudders)

If you think we have character of fan base issues NOW, wait until we move one of the most storied franchises in the history of the NFL to FREAKING LOS ANGELES.

If Jerry does this, I will personally bomb the first Los Angeles Cowboys home game.

. Truly, .

[calico]

I would seriously never recover if the Cowboys moved from the Dallas area. My family have been Cowboy fans since the franchise was founded and it will continue with my kids.

If they left Dallas, a huge chunk of my life would be missing. I know it sounds stupid, but I would never watch another NFL football game ever again if that happened.

I would be like some of those Browns fans who stopped watching the NFL and refuse to follow the Expansion Browns.

Jerry Jones is not stupid. He knows what the Dallas Cowboys are and what they stand for. He would not ruin his cash cow by destroying what it is. He may play games and put the pressure on some city leaders, but when it comes down to it, I don't think he has what it takes to move them. And that is a lack of love for the franchise and the fans.

[OldMan]

First the City of Dallas cannot ante up to build the stadium because they are locked into a contract not to. The County of Dallas will need to get a law change to do what the Cowboys want(Which should not be too hard since Dallas is a big draw in Texas.) If they don't then some of the other areas could join together and do the deal. There is a lot of posturing now because of the money involved and the potential for making money. The Dallas County deal was to use the Cotton Bowl area and then the new stadium could be used for the Cotton Bowl and other games such as the Red River game (Texas-Oklahoma) which is always played in Dallas and is a very big draw.(Larger than a lot of Bowl games.) I think the deal will eventually be worked out because to move the Cowboys would be financial suicide.

[TheKey]

I can't even believe it has come down to this.

One of the most storied franchises ever and we the fans have to be worried about them moving.

Sad day if it comes to it.

I don't know if I would ever watch the NFL again either. The Dallas Cowboys are half my life. Think about it, no more Cowboy discussions, no more Q *&^^in us off. Sad Day.

[Hostile]

What Jerry is "capable of", as a shrewd businessman, is squeezing every last bit of advantage out of everyone involved - local politicians, the business community, Tags office - in any venue he sets his eyes on.

The abrupt way he just "withdrew" the recent stadium plan, and left the city council and sundry politicians aghast, was just classic. They were hedging on a referendum date for political reasons (some favoring a low voter turnout), but to have the plan just whisked away evidently left some with egg on their faces.

JJ'll get what he wants, but no way he has to leave Texas to get it.

PS. What's in the "best interests of the league" is internationally recognizable franchises REMAINING so, aka the "Dallas" Cowboys .
Great Post!!!

That last statement is the key to this whole thing. Does anyone really believe the other 31 owners would have a ruling majority that allowed the Dallas Cowboys to leave? They aren't that stupid.

[MichaelWinicki]

Great Post!!!

That last statement is the key to this whole thing. Does anyone really believe the other 31 owners would have a ruling majority that allowed the Dallas Cowboys to leave? They aren't that stupid.


Yep. Enough said on this topic.

Key quit worrying!

[Hostile]

Yep. Enough said on this topic.

Key quit worrying!
Exactly. He's 15. He should be worrying about girls.

[MichaelWinicki]

Exactly. He's 15. He should be worrying about girls.


That's what we should all be worring about...

[calico]

worrying about girls causes my hair to thin out a little...thanks alot *****es...

[TheKey]

:D .......................

[big dog cowboy]

We will get our stadium.

We will NOT be going anywhere.

[The Curly One]

He is hinting he might move the Cowboys to LA to get the people to cave in to his corporate welfare for the rich. The fact is some cities are getting new arenas and stadiums that are all paid for by private funding as it should be. Others are screwing us into more taxes to give them a free ride to easy street. Jerry Jones is smart enough and shrewd enough to screw us into giving him whatever he wants.
Look at the BallPark in Arlington. We were taxed heavily to pay the $250 million dollar ballpark and then before it was even paid off they sold it for 250 million dollars. Who got that money? Did we get a tax break? Hell no! We were told when Tom Hicks bought the Rangers the Ballpark would not change names as the people of Arlington picked the name and paid for the stadium. Well Tom Hicks sold the naming rights to the ballpark to Ameriquest. So we basically gave him the team, the stadium and they are paying him!
I have to say the Ballpark in Arlington is one of the nicest in the world but Boy! Did we get screwed on it!
Jerry Jones will screw someone into getting him the biggest most expensive stadium in America I guarentee it. And IF he pays anything at all it will immediatly be recouped with interest by selling the naming rights and official Dallas Cowboy sponsors. Curly