Who would you want to man up on T.O.?

[Cowboy from New York]

Most of us just saw DeAngelo Hall have a pretty good game manning up on T.O. all night, which I'm sure allowed the falcons to do some of their excellent blitzes tonight.

Hall did this mostly by using press coverage on him and getting a good shot in on TO right off the line.

Which one of our corners would be the best man for that task? Henry obviously had a good game against SD but Newman played TO very well in the game at philly last season.

If we could go man against TO even half the time it would sure help out with our blitz options and free Roy up to assist in controlling the running game.

[ddh33]

I consider Newman the team's best corner, but I think I would rather have Henry on him because of his size. But I also understand that one player isn't going to completely stop him anyway.

[da_boyz_mk]

I consider Newman the team's best corner, but I think I would rather have Henry on him because of his size. But I also understand that one player isn't going to completely stop him anyway.

very well said..my thoughts exactly :star:

[DeWare94]

well i dont know about henry, he lined up vs t.o. last year and T.O. had two T.D.s. i'd pick none other than...Aaron Glenn, his size is similar to DeAngelo Hall and i think he sill has a lot in the tank.

[D41lasCowboys31]

Henry played very well against TO last year when Philly played Cleveland, Henry is clearly the team's best corner

[Muhast]

Interesting tidbit: Mora said he told Hall he'd play man coverage the entire game against T.O and said, he could play however he wanted, but not to say a word to T.O.(remember Mora coached T.O in SF) and that T.O plays better when people talk s*** to him and it makes him play well. T.O did get 8 catches for 119 yards, but if you watched, T.O MUST have had at least 15 passes thrown towards him. And tho he had his stats, he never got the big play. Funny, Henry and Newman keep your mouth shut.

[SilverStarCowboy]

Most of us just saw DeAngelo Hall have a pretty good game manning up on T.O. all night, which I'm sure allowed the falcons to do some of their excellent blitzes tonight.

Hall did this mostly by using press coverage on him and getting a good shot in on TO right off the line.

Which one of our corners would be the best man for that task? Henry obviously had a good game against SD but Newman played TO very well in the game at philly last season.

If we could go man against TO even half the time it would sure help out with our blitz options and free Roy up to assist in controlling the running game.


No......Period

[Muhast]

No......Period

Well dont be timid say why. I hate when people post like that.

I'd play Henry over T.O most of the game. With Davis helping out on blitzes

[Cowboy from New York]

No......Period

Boy, good point, you sure got me there. :rolleyes:

[da_boyz_mk]

if i had to pick one i would go with henry....but i'm more for the philosophy of just having your corners stick to their side of the field and play whoever lines up in front of them. now it helps when you have 3 capable corners like we do but i don't like the idea of changing your whole defensive philosophy for one receiver.

[SilverStarCowboy]

Boy, good point, you sure got me there. :rolleyes:

I'd have to go with Henry simply because Bill said he liked the way Henry matched-up against Terrell Owens last season when facing TO. Just because TO had one bad night doesn't mean Terrell is still affected from the Roy Williams tackle.

Does it?

[JonJon]

This may seem off topic, but it will make sense later:

I think our biggest liability is Keith Davis in the FS position. He is still learning the ins and outs, and as for now he is an under construction safety at best. Newman and Henry should do a good job with TO, but they still need some FS help, and I don't think Davis is ready for that task. I think Dallas will use a lot of Nickel back sets with Glenn playing zone on whatever side TO lines up at. That should give us two quality CBs in TO's vicinity, which will help relieve Davis of that daunting duty, and allow Roy to play closer to the line.

[Cowboy from New York]

I'd have to go with Henry simply because Bill said he liked the way Henry matched-up against Terrell Owens last season when facing TO. Just because TO had one bad night doesn't mean Terrell is still affected from the Roy Williams tackle.

Does it?


What the heck does the Roy Williams tackle have to do with this discussion?!
Who mentioned his injury?

Owens statistically did not have a bad night (7 rec. 112 yds) but he did not score or hook up for the big bomb that he and Mcnabb did so often last year.

The point of this topic was after seeing a team have success physically manning up on Owens which allowed them to run with different coverages and blitz packages if cowboy fans felt we could do the same thing with similar success. If you look at my 1st post you will see I even acknowleged that we might only be able to get away with this tactic only occassionally.

You seem to think otherwise, fair enough. But could you produce a rational arguement for your belief? First your dissmissive and then your nonsensical, please explain yourself. Everyone is entitled to there opinion but man......

[cowboygolfer]

I gotta say Henry, I went to Training Camp and this guy is huge. They list him at about 6-2 205 he is bigger and has the stregth to play physically. If we have to go man I say put Henry on him tight and jamm him hard at the line, pressure McNaab and get both of them out of their timing as well as use Henry's size to take some bals away.

[SilverStarCowboy]

What the heck does the Roy Williams tackle have to do with this discussion?!
Who mentioned his injury?

Owens statistically did not have a bad night (7 rec. 112 yds) but he did not score or hook up for the big bomb that he and Mcnabb did so often last year.

The point of this topic was after seeing a team have success physically manning up on Owens which allowed them to run with different coverages and blitz packages if cowboy fans felt we could do the same thing with similar success. If you look at my 1st post you will see I even acknowleged that we might only be able to get away with this tactic only occassionally.

You seem to think otherwise, fair enough. But could you produce a rational arguement for your belief? First your dissmissive and then your nonsensical, please explain yourself. Everyone is entitled to there opinion but man......


Terrel Owens looked a step slower to me.

[AdamJT13]

You'd think Henry would match up better, but Owens had two TD catches over Henry last year. Owens has never even had a catch when Newman has been manned up against him.

[Chuck 54]

Newman plays LCB, and Henry plays RCB....I don't think we change that due to Owens.

[CrazyCowboy]

I consider Newman the team's best corner, but I think I would rather have Henry on him because of his size. But I also understand that one player isn't going to completely stop him anyway.

Didn't we have a post not long ago that BP said Henry was the best corner on the team? I like Newman also, but Henry is physical and can cover.....

[Dave_in-NC]

I thought I read a while back that one of the reasons Henry was picked up is because the way he covers TO. Some thing about Parcells watching alot of film with henry covering TO.
Any way the blue print was laid out last night on how to beat them. Also if you hit TO every chance you get his arms get shorter. You have to treat him like a school yard punk. He cant take it when you dont respect him.

[Doomsday]

Interesting tidbit: Mora said he told Hall he'd play man coverage the entire game against T.O and said, he could play however he wanted, but not to say a word to T.O.(remember Mora coached T.O in SF) and that T.O plays better when people talk s*** to him and it makes him play well. T.O did get 8 catches for 119 yards, but if you watched, T.O MUST have had at least 15 passes thrown towards him. And tho he had his stats, he never got the big play. Funny, Henry and Newman keep your mouth shut.

TO had 17 passes thrown towards him and they completed 8 of them. Maybe its me but it appeared as though McNabb was bothered by the blitz and all the hits he took, he threw alot of bad passes in my opinion.

[JackMagist]

Seeing the success that Hall had with TO last night I think I would put Henry on him. Hall played him tight and physical and that is Henry's game.

However, I don't think we will assign anyone to him; I think we will just let whoever gets him cover him because I think Newman and Henry can either one do the job. We might adjust and have Newman stay outside and Glenn go to the slot if TO goes wide to that side in a three WR set. I'm not sure that Glenn could handle him but I think either of the other two could.

[dmq]

Parcells said they got Henry to play against the bigger receivers in the NFL. So, it doesn't matter what we think. Even if Henry didn't play T.O. well, he may not have had the help that he has here. I am starting to get a good feeling about playing Philly. Really control Westbrook and T.O and what else do they have?

[Nors]

I don't believe Dallas moves corners. They play right or left.

Now that we have 3 corners, we shall see.

[Doomsday101]

Does not matter I think Newman can do just as good of a job as Henry.

[aikemirv]

They were praising D Hall like he was doing a great job, but I am sorry, T.O. should have caught and easy 10-12 balls last night and probably closer to 15 if McNabb could have thrown the ball straight. McNabb was way off (he sucked in other words). Hall would have been eaten alive if not for the good rush and McNAbb's poor play.

[THUMPER]

I would not assign one player to cover him, like we used to do with Deion, but would leave our CBs where they are and let them do their job.

To me it was not very effective to have the CBs changing sides depending on who they were lined up against. It takes our guys out of their comfort zone and allows the offense to dictate to us rather than the other way around.

I think we will line up in the nickel a lot more than we did in the past if for no other reason than to cover Westbrook out of the backfield. He is their 2nd best receiver and they use him a lot. Atlanta had a tough time covering him with a LB last night and I would rather see us put Glenn on him than Davis or a LB. It would also give us better overall coverage.

I am not very concerned with the Eagles running game so losing a safety so we can play nickel would not be a problem.

All that being said, I think Henry would do a better job of covering Owens than Newman but that Newman CAN do a good job as well.

I do want to see Owens run a slant and get blown up by Roy at least once. We get that early on and Owens is likely to develop a case of "alligator arms" for the rest of the game. He loses concentration easily and tends to get distracted so having Roy in his head will help keep the ball out of his hands.

[chinch]

They were praising D Hall like he was doing a great job, but I am sorry, T.O. should have caught and easy 10-12 balls last night and probably closer to 15 if McNabb could have thrown the ball straight. McNabb was way off (he sucked in other words). Hall would have been eaten alive if not for the good rush and McNAbb's poor play.
true. this guys is worse than all 3 of our corners and was assisted by drops & McNabb's scattershot arm. The pass rush eliminated the "run around an chuck it up game" of McNabb... something dallas has YET to prove playing philly.

[Fla Cowpoke]

I think last night's lack of TD's had more to do with Mcnabb's erratic passing and Atlanta's pressure than anything Hall did. Owens was open a lot more where McNabb just threw terrible passes. McNabb is like EVERY other QB. If you get in his face and make things tough, he is very average. It's when he has time that he can beat you as a passer. Vick is average at best even when he has time to throw.

That being said, Newman fits the profile of Hall much better than Henry. He could probably copycat what Hall did. But I don't see us flipflopping the CB's.

[Hoov]

If you are gonna man up on TO you have to bump him at the line so he cant get deep and you have to get to mcnabb.

i would play Henry on TO, but to play him one on one, you better get pressure on mcnabb.

i think the falcons game plan worked, philly only scored 10 points.

Mcnabb has not been jacked up that much in his career cause he's fast and gets out of the way and he's had a good o line. BUT.....every time a team has been able to rattle him and hit him early, the eagles have lost those big games. When he gets time it doesnt matter who's covering the receivers, eventually someone will get open and mcnabb will find them, but after a few hits on him, his accuracy is way off.

[TheOneROWilliE]

The Falcons did a good job tackling TO in the open field....something the cowboys didnt do the last time we played them on monday night november 15th (i was there)....and hall did a great job playing him physical and not letting him get 2 his head showed great mental toughness

[TheOneROWilliE]

id like personaly like to see newman man up against TO

[Cogan]

I think the key to last nights' win for the Falcons was that they put pressure up the middle on McNabb early. He didn't seem the same after that sack where the interior of the pocket collapsed, and he didn't have time to escape.
I say we start out the game in the 4-3, with both Glover & Ferguson at DT, and Ellis & Ogbogu at DE. This gives us our best pass rushing line, and if they decide to run Westbrook, we just grab him on the way to the QB.

As far as T.O., put Henry on him one-on-one, & have him slap him around at the line all day. T.O. is a big wuss. If a player the size of Hall can throw him off his game, Henry should be able to flat slap him down. Henry doesn't trash talk anyway, so we don't have to worry about giving Owens any incentive.

[MichaelWinicki]

Does not matter I think Newman can do just as good of a job as Henry.

Newman did very well on TO last season.

[Seven]

TO had 17 passes thrown towards him and they completed 8 of them. Maybe its me but it appeared as though McNabb was bothered by the blitz and all the hits he took, he threw alot of bad passes in my opinion.

Plus the 4 dropped by TO and 5 poorly under-thrown balls. Hall had his back to Terrell on the last play. He didn't have a clue as to what just happened. The ball was under thrown -again- TO didn't stand a chance and Hall acted like he just won the Heisman. The blitz was a factor not Hall. TO was open for most of the night but dropped the ball or it was thrown poorly. That was a factor not Hall. Over 100 yards receiving. Some receiver pulls that on Newman and you folks are ready to trade him. Hall was adequate ONLY because TO was adequate.
Hall did nothing individually that stood out to me.....IMO

[followthestar]

this is a good thread, but the bottom line is whoever lines up on TO will probably adapt a bit more physical style. i very much like the idea of going nickle to keep someone other than a LB on Westbrook, and i won't be surprised to see us in nickle packages quite a bit. our CBs all support the run very well, so we don't lose much there actually.

[the_h0wey]

Give me Henry covering TO. I think Newman is our best corner, but TO is a big strong Wide Receiver and Henry is much bigger than Newman which I think makes for a much better physical match up

[Dallas4ever]

I love the way Henry plays physically at the line but if I had to chose I'd go with Newman. SD doesn't have physical receivers and T.O. is very physical and very fast. Speed is not an asset that Henry posses so he doesn't have the recovery speed to that's needed should a T.O. get around his jam at the line. Teams don't typically play man against T.O. because most corners are not as physical and fast as him.

[ravidubey]

I would play nickel defense against Philly almost exclusively. There is no power-running threat. None. Squat. Zippo. All they do is pass, pass, and pass to set up the occasional draw, trap, or quick run-like pass to Westbrook.

We have a strong safety that is effectively another linebacker, why not?

[nathanlt]

I think last night's lack of TD's had more to do with Mcnabb's erratic passing and Atlanta's pressure than anything Hall did. Owens was open a lot more where McNabb just threw terrible passes. McNabb is like EVERY other QB. If you get in his face and make things tough, he is very average. It's when he has time that he can beat you as a passer. Vick is average at best even when he has time to throw.

That being said, Newman fits the profile of Hall much better than Henry. He could probably copycat what Hall did. But I don't see us flipflopping the CB's.

My question is, why do WE have to flipflop our CB's to accomodate T.O.?? I mean, who do the eagles think the preferred mismatch is... Owens/Newman, Owens/ Glenn, Owens/Henry.... They underestimate whomever they think is the mismatch, I guarantee. Dallas suddenly has three oustanding corners! Amazing!

[Doomsday101]

My question is, why do WE have to flipflop our CB's to accomodate T.O.?? I mean, who do the eagles think the preferred mismatch is... Owens/Newman, Owens/ Glenn, Owens/Henry.... They underestimate whomever they think is the mismatch, I guarantee. Dallas suddenly has three oustanding corners! Amazing!

I don't think so, I think Newman will continue to play on the left side and Henry will work on the right

[DallasDomination]

Henry no questions asked.........Bump his *** in the line and keep him off his game.