View Full Version : This Is How You Get Price On The Field......
scrives
09-16-2005, 10:55 AM
Sit Polite this game and use Campbell as the H-back on some running downs and a one back set on others. Something tells me if this happens, Polite will be sitting alot this season. He may even end up on the practice squad if Price make the offense even more explosive. What do you guys think?
Outlaw Heroes
09-16-2005, 10:58 AM
I think that Parcells simply needs to review his notes from a week and a half ago. Who is the 53rd guy on the roster? I suspect it is Ogbogu, who didn't even make the final cut but was brought back only because of an injury. Well, the guy he was brought back to fill in for is ready to go. So sit Og, and put Price in.
LeonDixson
09-16-2005, 10:59 AM
Polite didn't cover himself with glory last week, but I'm not ready to toss him out with the garbage just yet. However, I agree with you that your suggestion would be a good way to get Price on the field without leaving a critical peice of our offense home.
Does Polite play on our kick and punt coverage teams?
jksmith269
09-16-2005, 11:00 AM
I think that Parcells simply needs to review his notes from a week and a half ago. Who is the 53rd guy on the roster? I suspect it is Ogbogu, who didn't even make the final cut but was brought back only because of an injury. Well, the guy he was brought back to fill in for is ready to go. So sit Og, and put Price in.
Your only allowed to dress 45 + a third QB. If it where me I'd sit Copper.
jazzcat22
09-16-2005, 11:01 AM
Sit Polite this game and use Campbell as the H-back on some running downs and a one back set on others. Something tells me if this happens, Polite will be sitting alot this season. He may even end up on the practice squad if Price make the offense even more explosive. What do you guys think?
In theory it may sound good. But logically, how well does DC know this postion as a true blocker, blitz pick up. As a change of pace, sometimes the FB gets a few carries. How can DC handle that, no threat of running there. Also, do you risk him getting injured at that point. Remember how his injury last year hurt our offense.
I understand your thinking, and too some extent agree. But many other factors involved otherwise also.
I am not sure if Polite is eligible for the practice squad. I think he may be, since he only has 1 game in the NFL so far.
Hiero
09-16-2005, 11:01 AM
ya exactly, i agree. sit ogbogu he doesnt have a role on this team anyways, and we already have some depth at LB. I think ogbogu might even end up getting cut again later in hte season, but its a very easy solution to who to play. Campbell as H-back is also a really good idea, that is the setup I use on Madden 06.
LeonDixson
09-16-2005, 11:01 AM
I think that Parcells simply needs to review his notes from a week and a half ago. Who is the 53rd guy on the roster? I suspect it is Ogbogu, who didn't even make the final cut but was brought back only because of an injury. Well, the guy he was brought back to fill in for is ready to go. So sit Og, and put Price in.
Burnett should be replacing Og on the 45 man game day roster. You still have to leave someone else home to take Price.
Outlaw Heroes
09-16-2005, 11:03 AM
Nevermind. Brain cramp, as Leon Dixon has pointed out.
And BP wanted to take more OL to the game as well.
Hiero
09-16-2005, 11:05 AM
Burnett should be replacing Og on the 45 man game day roster. You still have to leave someone else home to take Price.
hmm. in that case i wouldnt mind polite sitting out. Campbell is a vet, and i dont see why he wouldnt be able to pickup the blitz, hes a good blocker. Also would be a good receiver out of the backfield on some plays.
rojan
09-16-2005, 11:06 AM
Why dont we jsut sit Barber this game and let Glenn take Kickoffs till we know what Price can do...Barber wont do anything for us for a couple more weeks anyways
Hiero
09-16-2005, 11:08 AM
sounds good, glenn plays kickoffs and Crayton starts. :)
I do not want Glenn returning KO's period !
That should be TT's role. Glenn is just too valuable right now to risk it.
Jason Seehorn anyone ?
Guys that are candidates to sit:
Polite
Pierce
Ogbogu
Singleton
Barber
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 11:41 AM
Guys that are candidates to sit:
Polite
Pierce
Ogbogu
Singleton
Barber
If that truly was the list of players who we could sit then it would be either Barber or Pierce
Hiero
09-16-2005, 11:43 AM
from that list id choose barber. he was lost on ST, and wont be getting any rushes anyways. barber will probably have a bigger role in hte future, but it seems this year his role is greatly diminished.
Be prepared to be dissappointed in Price! Bandwagoners! The guy sucks. I'd rather have Copper in there with his above avg. special teams play!
NorthDalal
09-16-2005, 01:03 PM
The Redskins will blitz early and often. I doubt a lanky Campbell has the quicks to effectively p/u blitzers as well as Polite. Barber is surplus against this team.JJ and A-Train are capable of carrying the load and helping with blitz p/u.
from that list id choose barber. he was lost on ST, and wont be getting any rushes anyways. barber will probably have a bigger role in hte future, but it seems this year his role is greatly diminished.I agree, JJ and Atrain can handle the running duties just fine. :star:
scrives
09-16-2005, 01:11 PM
I for got about Barber. I agree let him sit this one out. One problem though. If Price shows up big, who do you sit for the season?
smashmouth
09-16-2005, 01:19 PM
I'm thinking we run a base 3 WR set.
We de-activate Polite and run JJ from a single back field set off of a 3 WR formation.
This will surely help us in the running game, using Keyshawn in the slot on running plays (i.E. a tight end for blocking disguised)
No matter what though, I would get price on the field as often as possible, even if it's a sub-in and out with Glenn or Crayton.
cobra
09-16-2005, 01:43 PM
So you can dress 45 + a 3rd qb?
I wasn't familiar with that rule.
(I'm sure I know the answer, but....) What is keeping us from giving Price the spot that Crayton had. Have Crayton as the "+3rd qb." Surely he could play on the .005% chance we need a 3rd qb to play.
So you can dress 45 + a 3rd qb?
I wasn't familiar with that rule.
(I'm sure I know the answer, but....) What is keeping us from giving Price the spot that Crayton had. Have Crayton as the "+3rd qb." Surely he could play on the .005% chance we need a 3rd qb to play.Yeah sit Henson!
BARRYRAY
09-16-2005, 02:22 PM
I don't know but I could have done as good a job as Polite on that Blitz, seriously anyone even the kicker would have at leat tried to get a piece of that guy. Hey the kicker had two special team tackles, honestly Polite will be gone soon, BP doesn't forget those who cannot pick up a blitz, it could be a season ender if Bledsoe gets blind sided...
scrives
09-16-2005, 02:22 PM
Henson needs all the watching real game action he can get. Lets not make this a Henson tread because by next year you may be very, very suprised at his progress.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 02:35 PM
Once again, did any of you see the SD game?
Was WR a problem?
Special teams sure as hell was, and price gives you zip to help it, but all of you guys would rather him be activated even though it would likely make our coverage teams WORSE.
Listen to what Parcells has been saying, "Price is a contingency plan," "I don't know how I'll use him," "I don't know the player," "Who em I gonna sit?"
Jerry had a Galloway-like relapse, saw a shiny new toy and jumped. Parcells comments, right from the beginning, have been pretty cold toward Price.
Price plays when Burnett gets back 100%, or if we suffer an injury at WR.
He's emergency depth.
He's a luxury.
But he is not, in Parcells' I gotta get snaps for this guy file.
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 02:43 PM
Once again, did any of you see the SD game?
Was WR a problem?
Special teams sure as hell was, and price gives you zip to help it, but all of you guys would rather him be activated even though it would likely make our coverage teams WORSE.
Listen to what Parcells has been saying, "Price is a contingency plan," "I don't know how I'll use him," "I don't know the player," "Who em I gonna sit?"
Jerry had a Galloway-like relapse, saw a shiny new toy and jumped. Parcells comments, right from the beginning, have been pretty cold toward Price.
Price plays when Burnett gets back 100%, or if we suffer an injury at WR.
He's emergency depth.
He's a luxury.
But he is not, in Parcells' I gotta get snaps for this guy file.
I think Bill knows a lot more than he is willing to tell the media at some press conference. After all this is the same man who closes practice because he is afraid other team’s spies may be looking in on what we are doing. LOL
smashmouth
09-16-2005, 02:54 PM
Once again, did any of you see the SD game?
Was WR a problem?
Special teams sure as hell was, and price gives you zip to help it, but all of you guys would rather him be activated even though it would likely make our coverage teams WORSE.
Listen to what Parcells has been saying, "Price is a contingency plan," "I don't know how I'll use him," "I don't know the player," "Who em I gonna sit?"
Jerry had a Galloway-like relapse, saw a shiny new toy and jumped. Parcells comments, right from the beginning, have been pretty cold toward Price.
Price plays when Burnett gets back 100%, or if we suffer an injury at WR.
He's emergency depth.
He's a luxury.
But he is not, in Parcells' I gotta get snaps for this guy file.Was this not the same BP that said you have to get talent on the field? Well, here he is (Price)
And if the guys that he has on ST can't get the job done, then get their arsses out of here. These dudes are pros and get paid to do a job, and if they can't cover a freakin kick, then they can go sling trash at a sanitation company.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 03:02 PM
I think Bill knows a lot more than he is willing to tell the media at some press conference. After all this is the same man who closes practice because he is afraid other team’s spies may be looking in on what we are doing. LOL
You'd have a point if he were talking about specific personnel packages, but he's not talking strategy.
He's been flat out telling everybody since the last preseason game, Price would be nice for depth, but I like what I have right now and I'm not gonna change it just to play Peerless.
Some just refuse to accept it.
This is simple, Parcells is old school.
If it ain't broke, he won't try to fix it, and WR is not broke.
Special teams are broke and adding Price to the 45, ain't gonna help.
2 + 2 still equals 4.:D
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 03:03 PM
Was this not the same BP that said you have to get talent on the field? Well, here he is (Price)
And if the guys that he has on ST can't get the job done, then get their arsses out of here. These dudes are pros and get paid to do a job, and if they can't cover a freakin kick, then they can go sling trash at a sanitation company.
I agree, and Price needs to cover kicks better than the other guys to be active, or his arse needs to sit.
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 03:04 PM
You'd have a point if he were talking about specific personnel packages, but he's not talking strategy.
He's been flat out telling everybody since the last preseason game, Price would be nice for depth, but I like what I have right now and I not gonna change it just to play Peerless.
Some just refuse to accept it.
This is simple, Parcells is old school.
If it ain't broke, he won't try to fix it, and WR is not broke.
Special teams are broke and adding Price to the 45, ain't gonna help.
2 + 2 still equals 4.:D
We shall see, I think Price will be in the lineup just my point of view. I also know that Bill says many things and no where did he say he would not play Price. Now isn't that also a fact? I have not heard nor saw any report by Parcells saying Price is not going to play. So we will know on Monday if Price plays or not. I think he will
Cogan
09-16-2005, 03:08 PM
Maybe I'm a little slow here, but if adding one WR makes or breaks our special teams, then I think we're in trouble. I mean, I just don't remember Tom Landry pondering if he should dress Butch Johnson or Golden Richards because it might hinder the play of the special fricking teams.
If we have a playmaking WR, which I believe we do, play him! Pull a few of the bone heads who screwed up last week, & replace them with some of the players on the practice squad & see what they can do. One should not be an issue over the other. The same thing with the Keith Davis quandry. Do I play him at FS or keep him at ST? WHAT??!! If the dude's good enough to play FS, you play him at FS!! If there's a problem of it creating a hole in ST, then play him there, too. Man, he's making enough money.
Come on, Bill, come out of it! Scared of trying a guy for fear of affecting ST....what will we have next??
tvooz
09-16-2005, 03:11 PM
pierce is our third tight end... not a good idea to sit him
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 03:12 PM
We shall see, I think Price will be in the lineup just my point of view. I also know that Bill says many things and no where did he say he would not play Price. Now isn't that also a fact? I have not heard nor saw any report by Parcells saying Price is not going to play. So we will know on Monday if Price plays or not. I think he will
Yeah we will.
Keep in mind who was saying Price would be inactive last week against the overwhelming play him bandwagon.;)
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 03:18 PM
Maybe I'm a little slow here, but if adding one WR makes or breaks our special teams, then I think we're in trouble. I mean, I just don't remember Tom Landry pondering if he should dress Butch Johnson or Golden Richards because it might hinder the play of the special fricking teams.
If we have a playmaking WR, which I believe we do, play him! Pull a few of the bone heads who screwed up last week, & replace them with some of the players on the practice squad & see what they can do. One should not be an issue over the other. The same thing with the Keith Davis quandry. Do I play him at FS or keep him at ST? WHAT??!! If the dude's good enough to play FS, you play him at FS!! If there's a problem of it creating a hole in ST, then play him there, too. Man, he's making enough money.
Come on, Bill, come out of it! Scared of trying a guy for fear of affecting ST....what will we have next??
What we will have is a loss.
You give Price a spot, he runs 4 or 5 plays, maybe he catches a pass, and we give up a punt or kick off return for a TD that beats us.
It's a balance, this ain't Madden.
Price playing means a ST player sits.
It means Key, Glenn, Crayton, or Witten sits.
Parcells knows what he has with those players, and it worked very well in SD.
Price is a luxury, period.
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 03:33 PM
Yeah we will.
Keep in mind who was saying Price would be inactive last week against the overwhelming play him bandwagon.;)
I don't think any of us have a say so. I would like to see Price out there and think he will get his chance this Monday
dougonthebench
09-16-2005, 03:41 PM
Once again, did any of you see the SD game?
Was WR a problem?
Special teams sure as hell was, and price gives you zip to help it, but all of you guys would rather him be activated even though it would likely make our coverage teams WORSE.
Listen to what Parcells has been saying, "Price is a contingency plan," "I don't know how I'll use him," "I don't know the player," "Who em I gonna sit?"
Jerry had a Galloway-like relapse, saw a shiny new toy and jumped. Parcells comments, right from the beginning, have been pretty cold toward Price.
Price plays when Burnett gets back 100%, or if we suffer an injury at WR.
He's emergency depth.
He's a luxury.
But he is not, in Parcells' I gotta get snaps for this guy file.
thats exactly what I heard.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 03:42 PM
I don't think any of us have a say so. I would like to see Price out there and think he will get his chance this Monday
Honestly ask yourself, does he make us better?
Does he give us a better chance to win?
He is not an upgrade over what we had at WR against SD.
He won't make the area that almost beat us in SD better, ST.
He's the toy that everyone wanted and it's wrapped and under the tree, but it is still two weeks until Christmas.:lmao2:
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 03:48 PM
Honestly ask yourself, does he make us better?
Does he give us a better chance to win?
He is not an upgrade over what we had at WR against SD.
He won't make the area that almost beat us in SD better, ST.
He's the toy that everyone wanted and it's wrapped and under the tree, but it is still two weeks until Christmas.:lmao2:
I have done that and yes I think Price would make the overall offense better. Ask yourself you really think Barber makes us better? The guy was lost on special team and is not going to get a chance to play the RB position with Jones and A-Train ahead of him. Yes special teams hurt us thus Bill has said Keith Davis is going back to special teams. Easy sit Barber fumbling don't know what to do on special team ars down. Sorry I don't see Barber being an assest at this stage for the Cowboys I see him bringing nothing to the table at all!
Kangaroo
09-16-2005, 03:50 PM
Honestly ask yourself, does he make us better?
Does he give us a better chance to win?
He is not an upgrade over what we had at WR against SD.
He won't make the area that almost beat us in SD better, ST.
He's the toy that everyone wanted and it's wrapped and under the tree, but it is still two weeks until Christmas.:lmao2:
Hehe so true Zebra I think people are enamored by the big name and what he did 3 years ago.
Any how getting Price on the field is not a priorty; in fact i will say it now Crayton is a better player. Thats right Crayton is a better player he has better hands he runds good routes; he is more physical than Price and Crayton blocks well in the running game for a wr.
ST killed us last week - lets stick with those studs.
BP said Price will be a gametime decision.
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 03:54 PM
Hehe so true Zebra I think people are enamored by the big name and what he did 3 years ago.
Any how getting Price on the field is not a priorty; in fact i will say it now Crayton is a better player. Thats right Crayton is a better player he has better hands he runds good routes; he is more physical than Price and Crayton blocks well in the running game for a wr.
I love Crayton been in his corner since late last season this has nothing to do with Crayton.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 03:57 PM
ST killed us last week - lets stick with those studs.
BP said Price will be a gametime decision.
Price has nothing to do with sticking with who played special teams, NOTHING.
It's your new deflection tool.
We need to fix the coverage teams, Price playing helps that how?
Game, set, match, bye, bye.:D
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 04:06 PM
Price has nothing to do with sticking with who played special teams, NOTHING.
It's your new deflection tool.
We need to fix the coverage teams, Price playing helps that how?
Game, set, match, bye, bye.:D
You fix it by putting guys like Davis and James back on the unit and sit players who are no where close to being ready to handle the duty it appears that is what Bill will do and if that is the case then Dallas should be able to get Price dressed on game day
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 04:10 PM
I have done that and yes I think Price would make the overall offense better. Ask yourself you really think Barber makes us better? The guy was lost on special team and is not going to get a chance to play the RB position with Jones and A-Train ahead of him. Yes special teams hurt us thus Bill has said Keith Davis is going back to special teams. Easy sit Barber fumbling don't know what to do on special team ars down. Sorry I don't see Barber being an assest at this stage for the Cowboys I see him bringing nothing to the table at all!
Apples and oranges.
Who sits when Price plays?
Key?
Glenn?
Crayton?
Witten?
Who sits if Barber plays? Thompson.
If Price wants to return kicks and play gunner, and can do those thing better than the other guys, he makes us better.
Since Price makes us better in the hypothetical world, let's flip it.
Price gets a spot on the 45, and we again go with 7 OL. Petitti has been battling injuries and so has Rivera. All of the sudden we have Gurode at RG and Tucker at RT and zero back ups. That could not hurt us, could it?
Price gets the spot, and Copper sits. Pile gets trapped outside and Moss returns a punt for a TD. That would not hurt us, right?
Price gets a spot and we sit Ogbogu, Burnett is not 100%, and Ware has to play 90% of the snaps and he comes up short on the pass rush and Brunell gets off a TD pass late. That just fine and dandy, correct?
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 04:16 PM
Apples and oranges.
Who sits when Price plays?
Key?
Glenn?
Crayton?
Witten?
Who sits if Barber plays? Thompson.
If Price wants to return kicks and play gunner, and can do those thing better than the other guys, he makes us better.
Since Price makes us better in the hypothetical world, let's flip it.
Price gets a spot on the 45, and we again go with 7 OL. Petitti has been battling injuries and so has Rivera. All of the sudden we have Gurode at RG and Tucker at RT and zero back ups. That could not hurt us, could it?
Price gets the spot, and Copper sits. Pile gets trapped outside and Moss returns a punt for a TD. That would not hurt us, right?
Price gets a spot and we sit Ogbogu, Burnett is not 100%, and Ware has to play 90% of the snaps and he comes up short on the pass rush and Brunell gets off a TD pass late. That just fine and dandy, correct?
Price is listed as backup to Key but he can come in for any of the WR, not that uncommon for teams to rotate WR through out a game if you have the personel to do it with. As for Barber, he is not going to get a chance to carry the ball behind Jones or Thomas heck Thomas got 1 series last week so a 3rd RB on game day is not a big issue. As for ST of course any return for a TD can hurt us thus you sit guys like Barber and you put Davis and James back in which again if your read all of the artical Bill has said he very well may call on both Davis and James on special teams and if both of those guys are added to special teams then yes it would allow you to sit someone like Barber.
Doomsday101
09-16-2005, 04:26 PM
"Price gets the spot, and Copper sits. Pile gets trapped outside and Moss returns a punt for a TD. That would not hurt us, right?"
How the hell do you come up with this? This is almost too funny, to justify your stance you draw up a scenario that puts Price in a bad light. Right now our Special teams suck and guys like Barber who did a lousy job is not making this unit better. We could keep the same people that we had last week on special teams and there is a good chance Moss could take it the distance. If we were talking about a unit that looked great then I would agree with you but when we have some guys who are starters and have played special teams and done a good job on that unit then you put them back on the special teams and you sit guys who hurt you just as Barber did.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 04:31 PM
Price is listed as backup to Key but he can come in for any of the WR, not that uncommon for teams to rotate WR through out a game if you have the personel to do it with. As for Barber, he is not going to get a chance to carry the ball behind Jones or Thomas heck Thomas got 1 series last week so a 3rd RB on game day is not a big issue. As for ST of course any return for a TD can hurt us thus you sit guys like Barber and you put Davis and James back in which again if your read all of the artical Bill has said he very well may call on both Davis and James on special teams and if both of those guys are added to special teams then yes it would allow you to sit someone like Barber.
You still don't get it.
Why is he needed?
Why is Price getting 4 or 5 plays better for us than carrying an extra OL, DL, LB or DB?
Where is the outcry to activate Ratliff?
Ratliff makes our DL rotation deeper, played all preseason on ST, and gives us a big TE for short yardage. I'd say all that makes him more valuable than Price.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 04:34 PM
"Price gets the spot, and Copper sits. Pile gets trapped outside and Moss returns a punt for a TD. That would not hurt us, right?"
How the hell do you come up with this? This is almost too funny, to justify your stance you draw up a scenario that puts Price in a bad light. Right now our Special teams suck and guys like Barber who did a lousy job is not making this unit better. We could keep the same people that we had last week on special teams and there is a good chance Moss could take it the distance. If we were talking about a unit that looked great then I would agree with you but when we have some guys who are starters and have played special teams and done a good job on that unit then you put them back on the special teams and you sit guys who hurt you just as Barber did.
Parcells specifically mentioned that scenario in his PC.
Your entire argument is based on what Price might bring to the offense, but a scenario that Parcells himself brought up is funny.:rolleyes:
From the PC recap:
So special teams factor into which WR’s you dress?
Well, Copper made two tackles on the punt team last week. They got Santana Moss as a potential punt returner, and I’m very worried about that. Two years ago Thrash hurt us badly on a kick off return.
gimmesix
09-16-2005, 05:02 PM
If Price wants to return kicks and play gunner, and can do those thing better than the other guys, he makes us better.
Here's the key for me. For Parcells to be able to take Price as a fourth receiver, Price would need to do something besides just play receiver. Now, at his size I can't see him as a gunner or much of a coverage specialist, but if I was him I would be lobbying hard to return kickoffs/punts. (I think he'd have a better chance at winning the kickoff job because we haven't found an answer there.)
If he could prove capable of that in practice, then Barber could be inactive because that's basically all he is doing ... since he's not very good in kick coverage. With Jones and A-Train, we don't have to have more than two active RBs for game day, and I really don't see Barber or Thompson contributing much in the backfield for a while anyway.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 05:22 PM
http://www.dallascowboys.com/home.cfm?screensize=small
PC replay:
The last few minutes says a lot about the Price situation.:D
Cbz40
09-16-2005, 06:12 PM
Very interesting PC. Taking a 4th WR.....could present a delima on ST. I thought BP explained that aspect very well.
50cent
09-16-2005, 06:16 PM
He'll be on the field. It seems like some people would like to just pay him 2 million to be inactive for 16 weeks, so our STs can improve. That makes alot of sense.
He'll be on the field. It seems like some people would like to just pay him 2 million to be inactive for 16 weeks, so our STs can improve. That makes alot of sense.
After a horrific ST fiasco like last week. Parcells already said he was dressing a different mix of players. Price dressing is going to happen.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 06:49 PM
He'll be on the field. It seems like some people would like to just pay him 2 million to be inactive for 16 weeks, so our STs can improve. That makes alot of sense.
I don't like paying money for car insurance every year when I have not had an accident, but guess what?
I'm still waiting for a logical reason, did not get one last week and how did that turn out? :lmao2:
50cent
09-16-2005, 07:05 PM
It turned out with a 7man DL rotation.
50cent
09-16-2005, 07:07 PM
and the 4-3 base defense.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 07:15 PM
Still waiting......
I gave legit reasons for thinking Pepper might be active, unlike someone I can mention.:rolleyes:
I said 8 LBs too. Funny you are not bringing that up when you had Fujita, Pile, and Jones inactive.:rolleyes:
Silverstar
09-16-2005, 07:32 PM
Copper
:grab:
diehard2294
09-16-2005, 07:33 PM
Your only allowed to dress 45 + a third QB. If it where me I'd sit Copper.I think BP likes Coppers special teams play to sit him,especially when we stink on ST :banghead:
kenai
09-16-2005, 07:47 PM
Get the best players on the field. It is hard to imagine Price isn't one of the 45 best. So, who is not one of the best? Polite? Ok, send him to the bench.
Done. good idea!
why not make Cody the 3rd TE and Deep Snapper. Dallas is using two different players for 3 TE and Deep Snapper...thats whats taking up the extra roster spot.
Price suits up - last week he only had a few days in the system. Copper is the ST guy - did you hear his talk about Schott carrying 9 DB's..... That was the real nugget........
Davis Burnett, Pile to ST - Price activated.
Cropper was inactive 6 games last year - why? Dude is a dime a dozen.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 07:58 PM
Get the best players on the field. It is hard to imagine Price isn't one of the 45 best. So, who is not one of the best? Polite? Ok, send him to the bench.
Done. good idea!
Best is a relative term, based on value.
Player A has more ability than player Q, but is not a starter.
Player A might play 5 plays on offense, player Q will play 10 plays on defense and 15 plays on special teams.
Player A may be a better player than player Q, but he is not the best player for the team's needs.
Pierce is another candidate to get whacked and inactive. Ratliff can be 3rd TE...... HOW SMART WAS THAT GETTING DE'S TE REPS ALL CAMP!!!!!!
smashmouth
09-16-2005, 08:02 PM
I can't believe some people want one of our best receivers to sit out.
For all we know, he could be our BEST receiver, but he's not had a chance to prove anything - and if it were up to some people , he would never get our chance.
I want the best 11 players on offense and the best 11 on defense - I don't give a bird spit about who plays on ST, because when I line your arss up there, you'd better know your assignments and get down there and take that damn runner out.
I don't want to hear about Barber missing this and that, I want you to learn it or else.
Like I said before, they are paid to perform, and I don't want to hear excuses about they didn't know which angle to take and crap like that.
We need Price in this line up period. He doesn't have to start or whatever, but he could spell Key at some point, or whomever.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 08:02 PM
Price suits up - last week he only had a few days in the system. Copper is the ST guy - did you hear his talk about Schott carrying 9 DB's..... That was the real nugget........
Davis Burnett, Pile to ST - Price activated.
Cropper was inactive 6 games last year - why? Dude is a dime a dozen.
That's a nugget, but him saying Copper is too valuable to not be active,I don't want to have 5 WR active, how he does not want to only have 7 OL active, the 200 times he said, "Well who should I sit, then," all just flew right past you?:rolleyes:
smashmouth
09-16-2005, 08:07 PM
Teams play to their strengths. We have 5 outstanding receivers, a great RB, and an accurate strong arm QB.
We need to keep defenses guessing.
I don't care if at some point in games, we brought in Key,Price, Crayton, and Glenn - lined Crayton up in the back field for 1 play (since he was a QB), can you see where I'm going with this?
Just stop the hatred towards Price, and get him in.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 08:08 PM
I can't believe some people want one of our best receivers to sit out.
For all we know, he could be our BEST receiver, but he's not had a chance to prove anything - and if it were up to some people , he would never get our chance.
I want the best 11 players on offense and the best 11 on defense - I don't give a bird spit about who plays on ST, because when I line your arss up there, you'd better know your assignments and get down there and take that damn runner out.
I don't want to hear about Barber missing this and that, I want you to learn it or else.
Like I said before, they are paid to perform, and I don't want to hear excuses about they didn't know which angle to take and crap like that.
We need Price in this line up period. He doesn't have to start or whatever, but he could spell Key at some point, or whomever.
All I can say is listen to today's PC.
Price is a luxury.
I can't believe everyone who will fatigue starters, run short at other positions, and discount special teams so a player who is 3 years removed from his only good season, can take 4 or 5 snaps.
ChldsPlay
09-16-2005, 08:13 PM
As far as Price playing, and who sits, I would say Key. Put in a couple plays per series with Glenn, Price, and Clayton. Create some varying mismatches with more speed. He won't block as well as Key on running plays, but the DBs may give a little more cushion or be more spread out facing slightly quicker receivers. No reason there can't be a WR rotation like there is a DL rotation. And there shouldn't be a problem finding someone to sit.
smashmouth
09-16-2005, 08:13 PM
All I can say is listen to today's PC.
Price is a luxury.
I can't believe everyone who will fatigue starters, run short at other positions, and discount special teams so a player who is 3 years removed from his only good season, can take 4 or 5 snaps.I understand that you don't like price, and that's okay.
IMO, I think ST are easy to fix - those guys clearly missed easy assignments.
But looking at an offense with so many combinations is priceless.
That combination of receivers can open up all sorts of running lanes for JJ - those combination of receivers could give Witten so many open looks it's funny.
I just want the best for the boys that's all - and I truly believe that our ST issues could be fixed even with the same group of guys.
First off, I thought Cortez was a deep kick off specialist - that one thing there could be the difference.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 08:25 PM
I understand that you don't like price, and that's okay.
IMO, I think ST are easy to fix - those guys clearly missed easy assignments.
But looking at an offense with so many combinations is priceless.
That combination of receivers can open up all sorts of running lanes for JJ - those combination of receivers could give Witten so many open looks it's funny.
I just want the best for the boys that's all - and I truly believe that our ST issues could be fixed even with the same group of guys.
First off, I thought Cortez was a deep kick off specialist - that one thing there could be the difference.
I'm putting the team over the player, novel concept I know, so this is not anything more than common sense. I'm fine with Price on the team, we just don't need him active at this point and time.
Parcells is not Martz, we are not going 4 wide routinely. We will not waste Witten or Jones to get Price out there. He will not take playing time from Key or Glenn, and Crayton is fast approaching that level in Parcells eyes.
Parcells said repeatedly that special teams are a must for the #4 and #5 WR. He says again and again that it's a cumulative worth situation, so he values players that can give him plays in several areas over back ups with one role.
He spoke today about not wanting to fatigue his starters on special teams if he did not have to.
If Price wants to play he needs to play special teams. Parcells said today that Price would need to give him several big plays a game to make it worth going thin at other positions or playing starters on ST.
smashmouth
09-16-2005, 08:30 PM
I'm putting the team over the player, novel concept I know, so this is not anything more than common sense. I'm fine with Price on the team, we just don't need him active at this point and time.
Parcells is not Martz, we are not going 4 wide routinely. We will not waste Witten or Jones to get Price out there. He will not take playing time from Key or Glenn, and Crayton is fast approaching that level in Parcells eyes.
Parcells said repeatedly that special teams are a must for the #4 and #5 WR. He says again and again that it's a cumulative worth situation, so he values players that can give him plays in several areas over back ups with one role.
He spoke today about not wanting to fatigue his starters on special teams if he did not have to.
If Price wants to play he needs to play special teams. Parcells said today that Price would need to give him several big plays a game to make it worth going thin at other positions or playing starters on ST.Then we need to trade the guy.
You can't pay 2 mill for a 4th string WR that isn't going to play.
So I say we trade him to a team like the Shegles, and get a draft pick for him.
Cbz40
09-16-2005, 08:31 PM
I'm putting the team over the player, novel concept I know, so this is not anything more than common sense. I'm fine with Price on the team, we just don't need him active at this point and time.
Parcells is not Martz, we are not going 4 wide routinely. We will not waste Witten or Jones to get Price out there. He will not take playing time from Key or Glenn, and Crayton is fast approaching that level in Parcells eyes.
Parcells said repeatedly that special teams are a must for the #4 and #5 WR. He says again and again that it's a cumulative worth situation, so he values players that can give him plays in several areas over back ups with one role.
He spoke today about not wanting to fatigue his starters on special teams if he did not have to.
If Price wants to play he needs to play special teams. Parcells said today that Price would need to give him several big plays a game to make it worth going thin at other positions or playing starters on ST.
Excellent recap...BZ
His explanation was very understandable.......Going to a 4th WR would put the ST in quite a delima; therefore It is very obvious why he would not.
blindzebra
09-16-2005, 08:49 PM
Then we need to trade the guy.
You can't pay 2 mill for a 4th string WR that isn't going to play.
So I say we trade him to a team like the Shegles, and get a draft pick for him.
Typical overreaction.
When Price became available the outcry was we need him in case Key or Glenn get hurt.
We are still 4.8 million under the cap, and there are 15 games and hopefully more left, he has plenty of time to earn his money.
We wanted him for insurance, and when instant gratification is not there we forget the very reason we signed him.
NorTex
09-16-2005, 08:55 PM
I could care less if Price plays Monday.
I'm just glad he's there for insurance!
big dog cowboy
09-16-2005, 09:05 PM
I could care less if Price plays Monday.
I'm just glad he's there for insurance!
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