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Nors
09-19-2005, 09:48 AM
If Parcells had any nerve he'd put JJ singleback and spread skins.

3 Wr's and Witten!

Vinnie2u
09-19-2005, 09:51 AM
Nors I said this Thursday. But I would go 4 receivers.

Yakuza Rich
09-19-2005, 10:02 AM
He did last year in the first game against Washington to start off with. They were okay at it, but you can really only use 4 WR sets in doses for the most part.

No huddles are something that Parcells likes to use on the road to deal with the crowd noise, although he isn't afraid to throw a curveball at opposing defenses once in awhile.


Rich.....

ABQCOWBOY
09-19-2005, 10:24 AM
I think there's a good possability that this happens. I think JJ is best in the single back formation anyway. I could see a two WR, Two TE and JJ in the single back formaiton pretty easily, as well.

BARRYRAY
09-19-2005, 10:26 AM
We no huddled in the red zone last week, JJ caught them on a delay/draw and almost got in didn't he, bet it shows up tonight as well...

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 10:27 AM
I think there's a good possability that this happens. I think JJ is best in the single back formation anyway. I could see a two WR, Two TE and JJ in the single back formaiton pretty easily, as well.

Dallas may be better served by spreading the redskin defense out. Granted 2 TE give you more blocking up front but it also allows the defense to bunch up as well. What I would like to see is 3 WR sets using the single back

Tobal
09-19-2005, 10:29 AM
I don't mind spreading them out, but we have to run out of it to keep them honest.

DBoys
09-19-2005, 10:29 AM
If Parcells had any nerve he'd put JJ singleback and spread skins.

3 Wr's and Witten!

Nors I totally agree!!! They will focus on JuJo and I think we should introduce them to Price, Key, Glenn, and Crayton. They will blitz every down and I think their secondary is weaker this year. Ina shotgun we can hit key on some quick slants, a high toss to Witten and even a dink pass to JuJo. I would feel better about Bledsoe and the blitz if he was in the shotgun.

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 10:32 AM
I don't mind spreading them out, but we have to run out of it to keep them honest.

Exactly which is why I think we will see Dallas use quite a few draw plays, as blitzers are stunting they tend to leave a hole open where all the lineman has to do is seal off the lane. Granted this is always easier said than done but draw plays aginst blitzing teams can create problems for a defense

ABQCOWBOY
09-19-2005, 10:44 AM
Dallas may be better served by spreading the redskin defense out. Granted 2 TE give you more blocking up front but it also allows the defense to bunch up as well. What I would like to see is 3 WR sets using the single back

I don't agree here Dooms. If the two TEs were two Campbells, then I think you might be right. Because one of them is Witten, I think you almost have to respect him as if he were a WR.

I expect the Skinz to blitz Bledsoe a great deal in the early going. I don't think they can hang in with there offense so I would not be surprised to see them use a lot of blitzing to try and create TOs or 3rd and long siutations. If this happens, I think a two TE formation with the ability to send 4 receivers out into the pattern and keep in two TEs for max protect flexability might be effective. Would give Bledsoe the best of both worlds and keep the Skinz guessing.

I think it could work nicely.

Yeagermeister
09-19-2005, 10:48 AM
4 wrs and only JJ to block for Bledsoe equals Romo coming in to the game.

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 10:48 AM
I don't agree here Dooms. If the two TEs were two Campbells, then I think you might be right. Because one of them is Witten, I think you almost have to respect him as if he were a WR.

I expect the Skinz to blitz Bledsoe a great deal in the early going. I don't think they can hang in with there offense so I would not be surprised to see them use a lot of blitzing to try and create TOs or 3rd and long siutations. If this happens, I think a two TE formation with the ability to send 4 receivers out into the pattern and keep in two TEs for max protect flexability might be effective. Would give Bledsoe the best of both worlds and keep the Skinz guessing.

I think it could work nicely.

I'm expecting blitzes as well and I'm hoping we can run the ball on them and make them pay for blitzing the ideal that you have to pass aginst the blitz is one I disagree with I think the best way to counter and slow down a blitz is by running draw plays. If you can do that then it makes it easier for Bledsoe to run play action.

Nors
09-19-2005, 11:29 AM
If we can catch them not prepared for it we can do some quick damage.....

I'm not convinced tradionally attacking Redskins in max protect will work.

BARRYRAY
09-19-2005, 11:47 AM
I'll tell you what I would love to see, a real screen pas like TD used to run, man our ones so far have been pathetic, like Kavita Pittman rushing the QB..

blindzebra
09-19-2005, 12:16 PM
If Parcells had any nerve he'd put JJ singleback and spread skins.

3 Wr's and Witten!

Isn't this a repost of what you said before last week's game too?:D

We have maulers on the OL, fat, older players do not hold up to no huddle.

Spreading them opens up the big play, BOTH WAYS. Remember what the run and shoot was called don't you? The chuck and duck. Bledsoe is not mobile enough and has fumbled too much in his career to risk it, unless you want to find out if Romo is "funtional".

Two much risk, and not enough reward for Parcells' taste, IMO.

But keep saying it enough, and I'm sure we will have a two minute drill come up so you can claim victory.:lmao2:

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 12:20 PM
Isn't this a repost of what you said before last week's game too?:D

We have maulers on the OL, fat, older players do not hold up to no huddle.

Spreading them opens up the big play, BOTH WAYS. Remember what the run and shoot was called don't you? The chuck and duck. Bledsoe is not mobile enough and has fumbled too much in his career to risk it, unless you want to find out if Romo is "funtional".

Two much risk, and not enough reward for Parcells' taste, IMO.

But keep saying it enough, and I'm sure we will have a two minute drill come up so you can claim victory.:lmao2:


Running 3 WR set is not the same as the run and shoot which also uses no TE. Houston tried to go 2 TE set aginst a blitzing steelers defense and got toasted only decent drive they had on the day came when they spreaded the steelers out with 3 WR set. I don't think anyone wants to see Dallas go 4 WR 1 RB and no TE.

blindzebra
09-19-2005, 12:25 PM
Running 3 WR set is not the same as the run and shoot which also uses no TE. Houston tried to go 2 TE set aginst a blitzing steelers defense and got toasted only decent drive they had on the day came when they spreaded the steelers out with 3 WR set. I don't think anyone wants to see Dallas go 4 WR 1 RB and no TE.

So we are spreading them and taking Witten out of the passing game to block?

Yep that's much better.:rolleyes:

ABQCOWBOY
09-19-2005, 12:27 PM
I'm expecting blitzes as well and I'm hoping we can run the ball on them and make them pay for blitzing the ideal that you have to pass aginst the blitz is one I disagree with I think the best way to counter and slow down a blitz is by running draw plays. If you can do that then it makes it easier for Bledsoe to run play action.

I think it depends on the Blitz package. If it's a run Blitz, then the ideal counter is the pass. Either way, a two TE option is still going to help your running game, more so then a three WR set IMO. There are a lot of advantages to using two TEs. I suppose we will see how it works out. I'm not opposed to three WRs. I just think Purcells will use a combination of both in this game. I also think we will enjoy good success with two TEs, if it's used.

We shall see.

;)

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 12:29 PM
I think it depends on the Blitz package. If it's a run Blitz, then the ideal counter is the pass. Either way, a two TE option is still going to help your running game, more so then a three WR set IMO. There are a lot of advantages to using two TEs. I suppose we will see how it works out. I'm not opposed to three WRs. I just think Purcells will use a combination of both in this game. I also think we will enjoy good success with two TEs, if it's used.

We shall see.

;)

I'm sure Dallas will run some double TE, however it allows them to keep defenders in the box by spreading them out it forces them to move out some to account for the extra WR. I think Dallas has to mix things up through out the game that we agree on.

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 12:32 PM
So we are spreading them and taking Witten out of the passing game to block?

Yep that's much better.:rolleyes:

No Witten still lines up in his normal alignment, but by going double TE it allows the defense to bring up the extra defender as well. add the 3 WR it forces them to account for the WR. Roll your eyes all you want frankly I'm sick of seeing rolling eyes you have something to say then say it.

ABQCOWBOY
09-19-2005, 12:35 PM
I'm sure Dallas will run some double TE, however it allows them to keep defenders in the box by spreading them out it forces them to move out some to account for the extra WR. I think Dallas has to mix things up through out the game that we agree on.

I don't agree. You can use motion off the two TE set and force a miss match or a late change to the defensive set. Simply sending Witten in motion to either sideline forces the skins to adjust with a LB or a DB. This set provides so much flexability in that respect, if you have a TE who can execute it. Luckly, we have one. You can use TE motion to dictate coverages. To use as the wham backer or the trap. You can use him to attack the depth of your LBs or against the blitz, off the motion, it's endless. I think it's all about the way you use the two TE set. If you use it to strickly block with, then yeah, it's predictable. Doesn't have to be that way though.

Champsheart
09-19-2005, 12:42 PM
If Parcells had any nerve he'd put JJ singleback and spread skins.

3 Wr's and Witten!

While I think we will see a little bit of this, which should be exciting, I would much rather line up and hit them square in the mouth most of the game.

Beat them down physically! Old Fashioned domination.

It is just more fun that way for me.

It will be hot tonight, we have a lot of depth on the D-Line, we are in really good physical condition.

Just like a 12 round championship fight. Slugging hard blows for the first 9 or 10 rounds, and then KNOCK THEM OUT!

Take away their manhood.

That is what I want to see!

There will be times for what you are talking about though!

purgatoryruss
09-19-2005, 12:44 PM
I think we will take the sack straight out the gate just to get it out of the way. ha Then bust a double reverse from julius to crayton and let hem fire it down field to Glenn! This will break their spirit and then just kick back and run the rest of the night.

blindzebra
09-19-2005, 12:45 PM
No Witten still lines up in his normal alignment, but by going double TE it allows the defense to bring up the extra defender as well. add the 3 WR it forces them to account for the WR. Roll your eyes all you want frankly I'm sick of seeing rolling eyes you have something to say then say it.

First, this entire thread is not about strategy it about causes. We spread/no huddle it becomes Bledsoe's offense and forces Price into the rotation. Very transparent.

Second, we run 3 wide all the time out of 2 TE. We split Witten out to WR using him where he is best, keeping Campbell where he is best as a blocker.

Third, the most likely formation we will see tonight is our bunch formation that we used at the end of preseason. It gives us multiple receivers that can flood an area in layers. It can pick up the blitzers easier. We can attack the edges out of it, without exposing us to the blitz. We can motion out of it wide to get a pre-snap read.

Hollywood Henderson
09-19-2005, 01:01 PM
I expect to see some no huddle but ZERO 4 WR sets...

We can use no huddle to deal with Williams pkgs and give him less time to call/change blitzes...

I don't like one back sets...I think Polite is a good blocker, but he better be better at picking up the blitz...

I expect ALOT of pressure brought around Petite...They will FORCE him to make the right read...

Just as alot of our pressure should be around Jensen...

Lets go get some SKINS! :cool:

marchetta
09-19-2005, 01:01 PM
Listening to D. Bledsoe in a taped interview last night, he stated that everyone has the misconception that BP is a conservative "run the ball" coach. Drew said that during his early years with BP, BP had him throwing it all over the field. I think he mentioned how many passing records he set during his years with BP. So, don't be surprised if BP's apparant reluctance to start Price is a ploy. Don't be surprised if we start out in a spread offense with 3 receivers, and JJ alone in the backfield. If we can get up on them early doing this, then we can give them a heavy dose of our running game, in order to eat up the clock.

boysfanindc
09-19-2005, 01:40 PM
If I was a betting man I would bet on seeing more 2 TE then 4 wide.

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 01:41 PM
First, this entire thread is not about strategy it about causes. We spread/no huddle it becomes Bledsoe's offense and forces Price into the rotation. Very transparent.

Second, we run 3 wide all the time out of 2 TE. We split Witten out to WR using him where he is best, keeping Campbell where he is best as a blocker.

Third, the most likely formation we will see tonight is our bunch formation that we used at the end of preseason. It gives us multiple receivers that can flood an area in layers. It can pick up the blitzers easier. We can attack the edges out of it, without exposing us to the blitz. We can motion out of it wide to get a pre-snap read.

I said 3 WR that can be Key,Glenn and Crayton so Price is not figuring into this. You keep Witten in the lineup and go single back, heck Dallas runs it now I just think we may run it a bit more on an overly aggressive team. Stacking guys up with a 2 TE sets allows the defense to also bring up the extra man because they don't have the 3rd WR to take into account.

bsheeern
09-19-2005, 01:54 PM
Where were all you "Offensive Coordinators" When Campo was in town and he hired Bruce Coslett?
You guys should have applied!!:rolleyes:

ABQCOWBOY
09-19-2005, 01:56 PM
Where were all you "Offensive Coordinators" When Campo was in town and he hired Bruce Coslett?
You guys should have applied!!:rolleyes:


You assume we didn't?

boysfanindc
09-19-2005, 01:59 PM
Where were all you "Offensive Coordinators" When Campo was in town and he hired Bruce Coslett?
You guys should have applied!!:rolleyes:

I applied they turned me down, they SAID it was because of my complete lack of experience.

I still think it was them trying to keep a middle aged white guy down.

bsheeern
09-19-2005, 02:25 PM
You assume we didn't?
Are you admitting to the fact that Bruce got the job over you.:o:

Nors
09-19-2005, 02:40 PM
So we are spreading them and taking Witten out of the passing game to block?

Yep that's much better.:rolleyes:



Block some and release some. Keep the LB's honest.

Nors
09-19-2005, 02:42 PM
I said 3 wide , 1 TE and JJ.

ABQCOWBOY
09-19-2005, 03:17 PM
Are you admitting to the fact that Bruce got the job over you.:o:

I am absolutly saying they gave my resume no consideration at all. Sucks for me but there it is.

blindzebra
09-19-2005, 03:33 PM
All agendas aside, our best and most versatile package is 2 TE.

We can go one back, pro set, I, offset I, 3 wide, even 4/5 wide without changing personnel.

We can have 2 WR, 2 TE, 1 back.

2 WR, 1 TE, TE/FB, RB in the I, offset I, or pro set.

2 WR, TE/WR, TE, 1 back.

2 WR, TE/WR, TE/FB, RB.

2 WR, 2 TE/WR, 1 back.

2 WR, 1 TE/WR, 1 RB/WR, TE.

2 WR, 2 TE/WR, 1 RB/WR.

That package also fits the bunch formation that we have been using with both WRs tight and an TE in the back field.

Nors
09-19-2005, 03:38 PM
This week - we need to get very creative. Sitting back in max protection would be a fatal mistake (For Bledsoe)

We need to spread field and get our weapons open field. Get JJ some space and watch YAC today - Price/Glenn should be able to take a few short to intermediate passes yard.

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 03:41 PM
This week - we need to get very creative. Sitting back in max protection would be a fatal mistake (For Bledsoe)

We need to spread field and get our weapons open field. Get JJ some space and watch YAC today - Price/Glenn should be able to take a few short to intermediate passes yard.

I agree. I think the 3 WR set and using the draw play with Jones can be very successful.

Nors
09-19-2005, 03:54 PM
Exactly he likes to use JJ in single back looks and do that draw play. 2 TE's brings a lot of defensive players right into the box.


This will be a good game to watch. Tactics wise to see how Parcells attacks their defense.

Doomsday101
09-19-2005, 03:56 PM
Exactly he likes to use JJ in single back looks and do that draw play. 2 TE's brings a lot of defensive players right into the box.


This will be a good game to watch. Tactics wise to see how Parcells attacks their defense.

I think Dallas will mix it up tonight but I would expect to see quite a bit of the 3 WR sets, single back formation

blindzebra
09-19-2005, 04:14 PM
Exactly he likes to use JJ in single back looks and do that draw play. 2 TE's brings a lot of defensive players right into the box.


This will be a good game to watch. Tactics wise to see how Parcells attacks their defense.

They blitz a lot.

You spread them out and now you get corner blitzes, just like the one that nearly cost us the SD game when Bledsoe fumbled. The TEs will occupy the LBs and safeties, that is a good thing, not a bad thing.

The way to beat an aggressive defense is to use that against them by using movement. Motion pre-snap and pulling and countering plays is what will beat them.

Nors
09-19-2005, 04:42 PM
Bledsoe was also nailed once up the gut - BP threw Gurode under the bus at PC. Bledsoe needs make the right reads.

I'll bet you a wager that we were not in a 3 wide set when CB nailed Bledsoe.....Its also possible RB/TE didn't pick up blitz......


Why you put him in shotgun where he can read the blitzes faster.

Just what Landry and Staubach did.

Nors
09-19-2005, 04:52 PM
I'm off - we played more 3 wide WR sets than I tHOUGHT.

espn stats

2 WR 4-8 58 TD
3 WR 9-10 122 22 TD'S - VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE!
4WR 3-4 14

OTE 4-5 43
1TE 8-10 108 2 TD
2TE 5-8 73 TD

On Blitz 8-11 75 TD and 2 sacks.