Roy Williams has been exposed on MNF

[ScottCase]

as the piece of Toast he is....he is the worst cover guy in America.
A disgrace - who has that Stupid "Who me Aww Shucks" look on his face far far too much -
Thanx for blowing the game you soft talking bum!

[Z-Man]

as the piece of Toast he is....he is the worst cover guy in America.
A disgrace - who has that Stupid "Who me Aww Shucks" look on his face far far too much -
Thanx for blowing the game you soft talking bum!

Umm you forgot Glenn was the CB on both those passes. He wasn't exactly like glue on either.

[baj1dallas]

as the piece of Toast he is....he is the worst cover guy in America.
A disgrace - who has that Stupid "Who me Aww Shucks" look on his face far far too much -
Thanx for blowing the game you soft talking bum!

yea lynn scott woulda been better on that play :rolleyes:

[ScottCase]

Umm you forgot Glenn was the CB on both those passes. He wasn't exactly like glue on either.
Moss ran directly at Roy's spot - not to mention roy dropped an INT in the EZ that hit him in his face

[NickZepp]

That was zone coverage with one of the fastest WRs in the NFL. If anything is exposed it's the scheme. Which is one everyone uses. Looking back on the 4th and 15 we should have blitzed Roy instead and forced a hurried throw. The game would then be over.

[smashmouth]

My question is, why wasn't Newman covering the outside receiver on that play?

[bbgun]

Why the hell did they have a nickel back like Glenn covering their BEST, FASTEST receiver?

[ScottCase]

yea lynn scott woulda been better on that play :rolleyes:
Lynn Scott isnt' paid or hyped like Roy - Roy Williams lost that game single handildy with the help of Sean Payton

[Z-Man]

Moss ran directly at Roy's spot - not to mention roy dropped an INT in the EZ that hit him in his face

Roy played lights out all game.
For them to have the same coverage against the same player right after a deep TD is BS.

[SultanOfSix]

Why the hell did they have a nickel back like Glenn covering their BEST, FASTEST receiver?

Exactly. Fishy.

[smashmouth]

I will still say that Newman should have been covering on that play. If not, they should have blitzed.

[Wolfpack]

Glenn was in man to man on both TD plays...Roy was in middle zone.

Glenn got exposed for lack of speed.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Moss ran directly at Roy's spot - not to mention roy dropped an INT in the EZ that hit him in his face

The dropped INT was worse than getting beat by a speed guy.

[Put Henson In]

Wow Roy looked awful. Stupid sooner.
Glenn should have retired 3 years ago.

[ScottCase]

Roy must help out in both spots - and he let Glenn and all Cowboys fans worldwide
I'm sick to my stomach right now...

[big dog cowboy]

Lynn Scott isnt' paid or hyped like Roy - Roy Williams lost that game single handildy with the help of Sean Payton
Not really. Remember he was only the safety help. The primary coverage isn't his responsibility. Roy played a good game. Payton = horrible.

[Martice]

Lynn Scott isnt' paid or hyped like Roy - Roy Williams lost that game single handildy with the help of Sean Payton

It wasn't Roy's fault as much as it was the phantom calls on Adams that kept their drives alive. You can blame the ultra conservative play calling more than you can blame Roy. We were calling plays in the third quarter as if it were late in the 4th.

You can blame Roy but if we would have kept being aggressive, we would have probably been up bigger and would not have a 1-1 record.

[spindoc]

Roy cannot cover. How many times must you see this to know it's true? He is a great hitter, but a horrible cover guy. He shouldn't even be back there on third or fourth and long. He should be blitzing. Another bad coaching decision.

[Novacek84]

It wasn't Roy's fault as much as it was the phantom calls on Adams that kept their drives alive. You can blame the ultra conservative play calling more than you can blame Roy. We were calling plays in the third quarter as if it was late in the 4th.

You can blame Roy but if we would have kept being aggressive, we would have probably been up bigger and would not have a 1-1 record.
I'm blaming Roy because he has made this mistake too many times before this. Zimmer has to learn that coverage just ain't his strong suit. And I agree, why Glenn and not Newman?

[NickZepp]

Look when you are in a zone you will get beat sometimes on that play. That's because this is the NFL. Sometimes that happens. Really when it comes down to it on a 4th down then the game is on the line you need to go to a blitz on that play not that zone coverage. I would rather be beat on being aggressive then being passive on a play like that. Our defense on those plays was passive. Especially on the first one. If we blitz Roy on that first one then the game is over and we shut out the Skins, because I doubt Brunell has the time to make that play.

Our coaching gets all the blame in this one. Offensively and defensively.

[Z-Man]

Roy must help out in both spots - and he let Glenn and all Cowboys fans worldwide
I'm sick to my stomach right now...

LOL , this is BS. He made tons of hits, including 3rd down stops and what...2 sacks. Dude was awesome. 2 guys were responsible for that coverage and Glenn the most so.

[CalCBFan]

Roy has never been able to cover. The smart coaches like Gibbs, Reid, etc, know all they have to so is get him isolated 1-on-1 w/a WR and it is 6 points. I love RW to death, but he is just not a complete player like Sean Taylor and Ed Reed are. Reed would have been a better choice 4 years ago. But hindsight is always 20/20. I hate Parcells....

[diehard2294]

Roy cannot cover. How many times must you see this to know it's true? He is a great hitter, but a horrible cover guy. He shouldn't even be back there on third or fourth and long. He should be blitzing. Another bad coaching decision.true but most fans wont admit he is mediocre at best in coverage,how about the dropped int. He played a great game otherwise,but let's not forget,he was only helping and Glenn stunk the joint up tonight.

[Dallas]

Roy had some serious things seriously fly by. I dont know what happened.

[smashmouth]

true but most fans wont admit he is mediocre at best in coverage,how about the dropped int. He played a great game otherwise,but let's not forget,he was only helping and Glenn stunk the joint up tonight.What do you want to do about it then?
If you know RW can't cover, then why don't you keep Newman on the edges, and keep Glenn in the slot where he belongs?

[diehard2294]

LOL , this is BS. He made tons of hits, including 3rd down stops and what...2 sacks. Dude was awesome. 2 guys were responsible for that coverage and Glenn the most so.the discussion is about his inability to cover,no one should dispute he played good otherwise

[dbair1967]

as the piece of Toast he is....he is the worst cover guy in America.
A disgrace - who has that Stupid "Who me Aww Shucks" look on his face far far too much -
Thanx for blowing the game you soft talking bum!

gee, wonder who the genius was who called that crappy defense several times late in the game

David

[noletime1995]

He's a LB playing saftey. The whole team is exposed as a fraud after that one. Season may be screwed.

[stilltheguru]

what the hell did sean taylor do today that was so complete?

[Dallas]

as the piece of Toast he is....he is the worst cover guy in America.
A disgrace - who has that Stupid "Who me Aww Shucks" look on his face far far too much -
Thanx for blowing the game you soft talking bum!

I want to bury your face in your prospectve call of a game. You know what??? Are you happy?

You are the man. Im flying to Dallas to beat your ***. Congratz !

[diehard2294]

What do you want to do about it then?
If you know RW can't cover, then why don't you keep Newman on the edges, and keep Glenn in the slot where he belongs?The coach makes that decision not us

[diehard2294]

what the hell did sean taylor do today that was so complete? agreed,however that hit on Crayton stopped us from getting a first down

[Put Henson In]

Why did he let him get past him TWICE!? Terrible.

[NickZepp]

Roy has never been able to cover. The smart coaches like Gibbs, Reid, etc, know all they have to so is get him isolated 1-on-1 w/a WR and it is 6 points. I love RW to death, but he is just not a complete player like Sean Taylor and Ed Reed are. Reed would have been a better choice 4 years ago. But hindsight is always 20/20. I hate Parcells....

Roy is decent in coverage. But you shouldn't see him cover a guy running 4.3. I mean very few safeties in the league can cover 4.3 guys like that. Ed Reed would have given up those 2 TDs today. It was bad coaching that lost it. You should be blitzing on that 4th and 15 and giving Brunell as little time as possible and have single coverage team. You may have still gotten beat but it was with a guy that should cover the WR better. Safeties shouldn't be covering the other teams number 1 WR all the time.

And those coverages weren't on just Roy. They were on Glenn too. But I think they were on the coaches most of all.

[Bob Sacamano]

blame Glenn on those 2 plays for not getting a bump on Moss, not Williams

[diehard2294]

Roy is decent in coverage. But you shouldn't see him cover a guy running 4.3. I mean very few safeties in the league can cover 4.3 guys like that. Ed Reed would have given up those 2 TDs today. It was bad coaching that lost it. You should be blitzing on that 4th and 15 and giving Brunell as little time as possible and have single coverage team. You may have still gotten beat but it was with a guy that should cover the WR better. Safeties shouldn't be covering the other teams number 1 WR all the time.

And those coverages weren't on just Roy. They were on Glenn too. But I think they were on the coaches most of all.Roy's not covering him by himself :banghead: He is deep help :eek:

[scottsp]

The Cowboys were two-deep on the last one. Glenn was running Moss to deep support (Roy Williams). The problem being, in two-deep, the safety in deep support has to remain deeper than the deepest, meaning everything must stay in front.

Just about any corner in this league is going to get taken to school when an NFL quarterback has time to set up and throw to a fleet receiver like Moss. Cornerbacks have absolutely no shot when deep help is flanked like it was twice late tonight.

That's the whole point of a cover two. It should never be flanked. Ever. All the safety has to do there is keep the play in front and there is either a play on the ball or the passer is forced to check down.

Sadly enough, its an elementary football concept. And the Skins' offense had been inept to that point.

[ScottCase]

If I were SF - I'd Run Lloyd at Roy on Every play - Roy couldn't cover me fat Aunt Sally

[TroyEmmittAndMichael]

Bottom line is that Glenn is somewhat to blame, but most of the blame must be placed on Roy. Roy is a safety. A safety should never let anyone get passed him no matter how badly a CB gets beat. I mean Roy is way off the line of scrimmage. He is supposed to act as a safety net that prevents the deep play.

No doubt about it, as good as Roy was for the majority of the game, his late 4th quarter play lost it for us. No doubt.

[DWAREZ]

Glenn was in man to man on both TD plays...Roy was in middle zone.

Glenn got exposed for lack of speed.

I agree but Roy bit on the wrong receiver on the first TD and had contain and Moss was behind both Glenn and Roy on the second...as stated before why not the Blitz on 4-15 and why was Newman not on Moss..complete crap.

[TheHustler]

That was zone coverage with one of the fastest WRs in the NFL. If anything is exposed it's the scheme. Which is one everyone uses. Looking back on the 4th and 15 we should have blitzed Roy instead and forced a hurried throw. The game would then be over.

Except the pass was between the zone coverage, it was OVER THE TOP. And the SAFETY is supposed to be the DEEPEST player on the field.

[TheHustler]

I agree but Roy bit on the wrong receiver on the first TD and had contain and Moss was behind both Glenn and Roy on the second...as stated before why not the Blitz on 4-15 and why was Newman on Moss..complete crap.

Roy shouldn't have bit AT ALL. If the slot WR slants to the other side of the field, Keith Davis is there.

[dbair1967]

agreed,however that hit on Crayton stopped us from getting a first down

if he wouldnt have I'm sure we'd have seen the timely holding call on Adams to make sure

:rolleyes:

David

[Mash]

Its a two deep Zone.....Roy should of had it.....no excuses....he blew it.....twice

[NickZepp]

Except the pass was between the zone coverage, it was OVER THE TOP. And the SAFETY is supposed to be the DEEPEST player on the field.

The WR got past Glenn way to fast also which hurt those plays. There wasn't much Roy could do. Maybe there was more in the first one. But you can't play that deep in a zone. Our CB needed to do a better job to make it easier on Roy and harder to throw it on target. Both failed their job. That being said. We shouldn't have been in a zone on the 4th and 15 play.

[smashmouth]

You guys don't know football.

[parcellsguys]

I love Roy Williams, but this is another example that he cannot cover a fast receiver.

I don't know how far fetched this is, but Urlacher was a safety in college and when he got to the NFL he has been a Pro Bowl linebacker for years now.

Not this season, but maybe in the future it could be a possibility that Roy be moved to linebacker. Here he would dominate by being closer to the line of scrimmage and covering RB's and TE's all the time.

He's a liability late in close games, plain and simple.

[SultanOfSix]

Yawn. Stop blaming Roy. The first long 4th and 15 conversion wasn't his fault. And the last long touchdown conversion wasn't his fault either. That was a defense that should NEVER have been called.

[dbair1967]

He's a liability late in close games, plain and simple.

so that 17yd sack he got on 2nd and 10 was lousy too huh?

what about that forced fumble at the end of the first half?

also, he has an easy pick to ice the game late (downfield) but has it knocked out of his hands by his own player...

David

[TheHustler]

The WR got past Glenn way to fast also which hurt those plays. There wasn't much Roy could do. Maybe there was more in the first one. But you can't play that deep in a zone. Our CB needed to do a better job to make it easier on Roy and harder to throw it on target. Both failed their job. That being said. We shouldn't have been in a zone on the 4th and 15 play.

Roy's got a 20 yard head start to get to the end zone and he gets beat. no excuses.

[TheHustler]

so that 17yd sack he got on 2nd and 10 was lousy too huh?

what about that forced fumble at the end of the first half?

also, he has an easy pick to ice the game late (downfield) but has it knocked out of his hands by his own player...

David

No one knocked out the potential INT. It slipped right through his hands and hit him in the face mask.

[Tuna Helper]

Roy Williams has gotten soft over the past couple of years. He can't cover my grandmother right now.

[dbair1967]

No one knocked out the potential INT. It slipped right through his hands and hit him in the face mask.

I have it on tape man...Henry hit him as the ball got there

David

[dbair1967]

Roy's got a 20 yard head start to get to the end zone and he gets beat. no excuses.

whats ridiculous is seeing your defensive coordinator make alot of pansy like calls at key moments

and it happens YEAR AFTER YEAR, GAME AFTER GAME

David

[TheHustler]

Yawn. Stop blaming Roy. The first long 4th and 15 conversion wasn't his fault. And the last long touchdown conversion wasn't his fault either. That was a defense that should NEVER have been called.

Two deep with man underneath when the offense needs a LONG gain to get a first down? Sounds like a great call to me, except if Roy is going to let the WR run by him.

What would you like? A goal line stand?

[Bigdog24]

MOve Roy to LB get him out of coverage, its just not his cup of tea. Matter of fact Mark Brunell should send a thank you letter to him, he made the old washed up QB a hero

[SultanOfSix]

Two deep with man underneath when the offense needs a LONG gain to get a first down? Sounds like a great call to me, except if Roy is going to let the WR run by him.

What would you like? A goal line stand?

He cheated to the inside to cover the inside post man. Madden even made reference to it. When he saw the ball go up in the air, he turned to cover the receiver it was thrown to. The pass just happened to be perfect. Shocker. On 4th and 15. I guess it was Henry's fault to on that long pass in SD on 4th and 14. See a pattern here?

[TheHustler]

I have it on tape man...Henry hit him as the ball got there

David


You said he hit the ball:



also, he has an easy pick to ice the game late (downfield) but has it knocked out of his hands by his own player...

David

And its not like Henry tackled him, of course there is going to be contact.

[Cowboy4ever]

Roy was all over the field tonight. He played an awesome game. The plays the Redskins called were perfect for the coverage we had, period. They executed. And if you have ever played the game, you know, when you have the right play called, and execute it perfectly, it impossible to stop. Thier OC guessed right and Zimmer didn't. You take RW out the line up and our defense goes down hill, FAST.

[TheHustler]

He cheated to the inside to cover the inside post man. Madden even made reference to it. When he saw the ball go up in the air, he turned to cover the receiver it was thrown to. The pass just happened to perfect. Shocker. On 4th and 15. I guess it was Henry's fault to on that long pass in SD on 4th and 14. See a pattern here?

He didn't have to cheat over, there's a safety on the other side of the field, that's why it's called a two deep zone.

[SultanOfSix]

He didn't have to cheat over, there's a safety on the other side of the field, that's why it's called a two deep zone.

Not if the other safety doubles another receiver in a three reciever formation. Duh.

[Z-Man]

I love Roy Williams, but this is another example that he cannot cover a fast receiver.

I don't know how far fetched this is, but Urlacher was a safety in college and when he got to the NFL he has been a Pro Bowl linebacker for years now.

Not this season, but maybe in the future it could be a possibility that Roy be moved to linebacker. Here he would dominate by being closer to the line of scrimmage and covering RB's and TE's all the time.

He's a liability late in close games, plain and simple.

LOL what coverage has a strong safety on the other teams fastest receiver??
Get real man, this was Glenn's fault. You name ONE..............JUST ONE FRIGGIN STRONG SAFETY IN THE NFL WHO CAN COVER FAST RECEIVERS!
Some people have no clue

[TheHustler]

Roy was all over the field tonight. He played an awesome game. The plays the Redskins called were perfect for the coverage we had, period. They executed. And if you have ever played the game, you know, when you have the right play called, and execute it perfectly, it impossible to stop. Thier OC guessed right and Zimmer didn't. You take RW out the line up and our defense goes down hill, FAST.

Roy made 2 BIG plays. The fumble at the end of the 2nd quarter - end result? Nothing.

The sack on 2nd and 10 - Ware was coming around on the other side a half second later.

Roy is a very good player, and a GREAT hitter, but his coverage skills, man, they need work.

[big dog cowboy]

LOL what coverage has a strong safety on the other teams fastest receiver??
Get real man, this was Glenn's fault. You name ONE..............JUST ONE FRIGGIN STRONG SAFETY IN THE NFL WHO CAN COVER FAST RECEIVERS!
Some people have no clue
:lmao:

[Z-Man]

Two deep with man underneath when the offense needs a LONG gain to get a first down? Sounds like a great call to me, except if Roy is going to let the WR run by him.

What would you like? A goal line stand?

LOL, what game were you watching? Roy was deep at safety...........GLENN let the WR run by him.:rolleyes:

[TheHustler]

LOL what coverage has a strong safety on the other teams fastest receiver??
Get real man, this was Glenn's fault. You name ONE..............JUST ONE FRIGGIN STRONG SAFETY IN THE NFL WHO CAN COVER FAST RECEIVERS!
Some people have no clue

He wasn't covering the WR, he "was" the DEEP SAFETY.

[bbgun]

Roy was all over the field tonight. He played an awesome game. The plays the Redskins called were perfect for the coverage we had, period. They executed. And if you have ever played the game, you know, when you have the right play called, and execute it perfectly, it impossible to stop. Thier OC guessed right and Zimmer didn't. You take RW out the line up and our defense goes down hill, FAST.

The problem is that all of those plays came within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. He's a linebacker masquerading as a safety. He has good closing speed, but only when he's running towards the line of scrimmage, not the other way. He can harass QBs, RBs and TEs, not WRs.

[TheHustler]

LOL, what game were you watching? Roy was deep at safety...........GLENN let the WR run by him.:rolleyes:

Glenn got beat, Roy did too.

[Tuna Helper]

Show me a strong safety that can cover, and I'll show you one that can't tackle. :laugh2:

[brucem78]

We need to get Roy out of deep coverage fast! Every team we play will try to isolate him on WR's. Roy should play the LB spot in the nickel as Bill Bates did late in his career and leave the deep middle to Wille Pile and Davis.

[THEHEREAFTER]

I hate Cowboyszone because it seems like the b!tches and the whiners love to come out @ times like this. I'm relieved we lost.. let's move on