Mike Zimmer

[dbair1967]

you know, its been 6yrs of this same garbage...this guy always slithers by...he is the worst coach this franchise has EVER had in all the yrs I have watched this team...one meltdown after another...ONE AFTER ANOTHER...no distance on 3rd or 4th down is ever safe...no 4th qtr lead is ever safe...

the clown absolutely doesnt know how to call defenses with a lead

if it was one play here or there and only happened a couple of times you could make the case that it isnt him, but when it happens multiple times EVERY FREAKING YEAR it is HIM...THE BLAME GOES TO HIM

what a piece of garbage

David

[SmashFactorGolf]

Zimmer..................oh, that was him in RoY W. body letting Moss behind him twice.......didnt see zimmer on the field on a single play.........

[joseephuss]

What is he supposed to do? The safeties have to play the deep routes. I saw Davis and Williams biting on the short routes all night. They were in the right defense, but Roy stood there instead of getting deep. That is on the players.

If you want to blame a coach, blame Sean Payton. His play calling the whole game was pretty poor. He tried to get too cute when they were nearing scoring position. I thought the play calling right before halftime was terrible and that blew a chance at points.

[TheHustler]

Zimmer's fault Roy got beat deep on the same route TWICE?

Please.

[dbair1967]

Zimmer's fault Roy got beat deep on the same route TWICE?

Please.

Roy wasnt the only one covering the guy...

but the guy is a pure SS...only a freaking idiot would keep calling defenses where he has to line up 40 yds down field

everything keeps getting changed...new players, new coaches, new scheme...yet one constant...Mike Zimmer and his pansy arse blowing 4th qtr leads left and right...worst coach this franchise has ever had IMO

David

[joseephuss]

Roy wasnt the only one covering the guy...

but the guy is a pure SS...only a freaking idiot would keep calling defenses where he has to line up 40 yds down field

everything keeps getting changed...new players, new coaches, new scheme...yet one constant...Mike Zimmer and his pansy arse blowing 4th qtr leads left and right...worst coach this franchise has ever had IMO

David

If he lined up 40 yards down field, he would not have been beat deep.

David Shula is the worst coach in franchise history.

[Wolverine]

I said in another post I am one of the biggest Zimmer haters there is. But he and the D are not to blame.

Zimmer can not do anything about the refs not calling all the holding the Redskin OL got away with.

We got sacks. We got turnovers. We got nuff pressure where the Skins line had to hold alot and they almost never got called for it.

We held them to 14 points. Hold a team to 14 points and you should win most of the times.


I hate Zimmer but he is nowhere even close to bein the one to blame here. Not even close.

[dbair1967]

David Shula is the worst coach in franchise history.

not anymore

and at least we had a coach then who had the cajones to do something about someone who sucked...the Zimmer garbage just keeps going and going

David

[wick]

you know, its been 6yrs of this same garbage...this guy always slithers by...he is the worst coach this franchise has EVER had in all the yrs I have watched this team...one meltdown after another...ONE AFTER ANOTHER...no distance on 3rd or 4th down is ever safe...no 4th qtr lead is ever safe...

the clown absolutely doesnt know how to call defenses with a lead

if it was one play here or there and only happened a couple of times you could make the case that it isnt him, but when it happens multiple times EVERY FREAKING YEAR it is HIM...THE BLAME GOES TO HIM

what a piece of garbage

David

Where's the punchline?

[TheHustler]

Roy wasnt the only one covering the guy...

but the guy is a pure SS...only a freaking idiot would keep calling defenses where he has to line up 40 yds down field

everything keeps getting changed...new players, new coaches, new scheme...yet one constant...Mike Zimmer and his pansy arse blowing 4th qtr leads left and right...worst coach this franchise has ever had IMO

David

He's supposed to be a SAFETY. And on that play he is the DEEP safety. He's supposed to be behind EVERYONE. If he can't run with a WR, then he shoulda started off in the end zone! A two deep zone is basic football!

[TheHustler]

not anymore

and at least we had a coach then who had the cajones to do something about someone who sucked...the Zimmer garbage just keeps going and going

David

5 sacks and 2 ints before Roy gives up two deep plays.

[THUMPER]

Zimmer..................oh, that was him in RoY W. body letting Moss behind him twice.......didnt see zimmer on the field on a single play.........

He is supposed to have Newman covering the opponent's best WR rather than their scrub TE.

[joseephuss]

He is supposed to have Newman covering the opponent's best WR rather than their scrub TE.

Bill Parcells is the one who made the decision to put Newman in the slot and have one of his guys play the outside receiver.

[dbair1967]

He is supposed to have Newman covering the opponent's best WR rather than their scrub TE.

agree 100%, especially with the game on the line

David

[ghosttown cowboy]

I wasn't aware that Roy was man up on Moss, I thought he was help. Glenn got beat also on the play, both plays.

[TheHustler]

I wasn't aware that Roy was man up on Moss, I thought he was help. Glenn got beat also on the play, both plays.

Roy job is to be there if Glenn gets beat deep, and he failed TWICE.

[TheHustler]

And why is Glenn on him anyway, Newman is our speedster, why isn't he following the fastest WR all day.

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm not a big anti-Zimmer guy, but it is sickening to see a guy like Gregg Williams take a collection of largely above-average players, especially in the front seven, and be able to play defense like they do.

[joseephuss]

And why is Glenn on him anyway, Newman is our speedster, why isn't he following the fastest WR all day.

I will repeat it. Parcells wants Newman in the slot. That was his decision that he made in the off season. Is Zimmer supposed to over rule the head coach?

[smashmouth]

What is he supposed to do? The safeties have to play the deep routes. I saw Davis and Williams biting on the short routes all night. They were in the right defense, but Roy stood there instead of getting deep. That is on the players.

If you want to blame a coach, blame Sean Payton. His play calling the whole game was pretty poor. He tried to get too cute when they were nearing scoring position. I thought the play calling right before halftime was terrible and that blew a chance at points.So what would you have said if Roy ran deep and they threw an in route for 20 yards on a first where RW should have been?

[Doomsday]

Maybe he could of stayed with Moss if he wasnt playing 15 yards off the line of scrimmage, Moss is coming at them at full speed and flying. Why get away from what was working all game? Im so sick of prevent defenses they do nothing but give up yards and points.

[Z-Man]

5 sacks and 2 ints before Roy gives up two deep plays.

Umm don't forget Roy had 1 of those sacks. He played great tonight. Glenn is the goat-

[dbair1967]

Umm don't forget Roy had 1 of those sacks. He played great tonight. Glenn is the goat-

the whole coaching staff is the goat...bad calls on both sides of the ball all night

David

[wick]

Umm don't forget Roy had 1 of those sacks. He played great tonight. Glenn is the goat-

Do you know what bracketed coverage is? Glenn takes the outside, Roy takes the inside. Roy is the one who blew it.

[smashmouth]

I will say it until my fingers can't type anymore, Newman should not be playing slot when we're in prevent! That's bad coaching!

[joseephuss]

I will say it until my fingers can't type anymore, Newman should not be playing slot when we're in prevent! That's bad coaching!

That is bad coaching on the part of Parcells.

[joseephuss]

So what would you have said if Roy ran deep and they threw an in route for 20 yards on a first where RW should have been?

"Glad it wasn't a TD!"--Me

[PacoReloaded]

And why is Glenn on him anyway, Newman is our speedster, why isn't he following the fastest WR all day.
Because Newman sucks just as bad as Glenn does.

[joseephuss]

Maybe he could of stayed with Moss if he wasnt playing 15 yards off the line of scrimmage, Moss is coming at them at full speed and flying. Why get away from what was working all game? Im so sick of prevent defenses they do nothing but give up yards and points.

Roy was lined up about 11 to 12 yards off the LOS on the second TD. Perhaps if he lined up 15 yards back, he could have made a play.

Roy and Keith were beaten deep on several plays during the game. It was just that on two of them the Redskins actually converted.

[big dog cowboy]

He is supposed to have Newman covering the opponent's best WR rather than their scrub TE.
Yea you gotta keep an eye on that deep threat Cooley you know.

[Wolverine]

Our D got -

5 sacks
2 forced turnovers
got held by the Redskins OL alota times and never got called for it.
held the Skins to 14 points.


Can not blame Zimmer or the D on this one. And all of you know how I feel about Zimmer. I still hope for a better DC after this year. But in this game I do not see where any blame goes to Zimmer or the D.

Roy Williams choked by not INTing that one pass to. The one that hit him in the face mask.

[TheEnigma]

I said in another post I am one of the biggest Zimmer haters there is. But he and the D are not to blame.

Zimmer can not do anything about the refs not calling all the holding the Redskin OL got away with.

We got sacks. We got turnovers. We got nuff pressure where the Skins line had to hold alot and they almost never got called for it.

We held them to 14 points. Hold a team to 14 points and you should win most of the times.


I hate Zimmer but he is nowhere even close to bein the one to blame here. Not even close.

Im am proud of you for having the maturity to look past your bias.

I was happy with the defense the entire game, take back two pass plays and we would have had a very good defensive outing. Sometimes that just the way it goes.

I am much more dissapointed in our offense, it reminded me of last year at times. Especially when we got down within the redzone. We could not finish drives. On top of that, we had more mental errors in the offense than we did in the defense.

[TheHustler]

Our D got -

5 sacks
2 forced turnovers
got held by the Redskins OL alota times and never got called for it.
held the Skins to 14 points.


Can not blame Zimmer or the D on this one. And all of you know how I feel about Zimmer. I still hope for a better DC after this year. But in this game I do not see where any blame goes to Zimmer or the D.

Roy Williams choked by not INTing that one pass to. The one that hit him in the face mask.

I too, am surprised at this point, and I think it's spot on.

I guess Roy wasn't lying when he said your sig.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Plenty of blame to go around of course, but yes zimmy is our worst ever coach...

He does nearly always lose LARGE leads with little time remaining...

We never (Hardly) ran any stunts to free up Ware...

We almost always ran a 4 down Dline where the Offense always knew who was rushing...When we blitzed, it was effective for the most part, yet we go away from that...zimmy WUSS failed to thrown the knockout punch!

He let old man brunell in the game...

But we can learn from it, as Parcells said, the offense had chances to ice the game as well & didn't too...

[TheHustler]

We almost always ran a 4 down Dline where the Offense always knew who was rushing...When we blitzed, it was effective for the most part, yet we go away from that...


For once, I agreed with you. The rush in the 4th quarter was too vanilla. The DAT NYGUYEN (ahem ahem) sack was off a stunt. The Scott Shanle sack was off a stunt. The Roy Williams sack was a SS blitz, but in the 4th quarter we switch to 4 down linemen and only rush the 4? Strange indeed.

[Chocolate Lab]

That is classic Parcells, though. He doesn't like to trick offenses, he wants to play vanilla against them and just beat them straight up.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Good points and yes, Dat played well early...

Shanle was made a FOOL of on that scramble rush by Brunell, who easily ran right buy him...

Roy was wrecking havouc with Blitzes as well, then, we stopped, we stopped even trying to knock out Brunell...

We don't even TRY to free up Ware with stunts...Strange days indeed!

[Rack Bauer]

you know, its been 6yrs of this same garbage...this guy always slithers by...he is the worst coach this franchise has EVER had in all the yrs I have watched this team...one meltdown after another...ONE AFTER ANOTHER...no distance on 3rd or 4th down is ever safe...no 4th qtr lead is ever safe...

the clown absolutely doesnt know how to call defenses with a lead

if it was one play here or there and only happened a couple of times you could make the case that it isnt him, but when it happens multiple times EVERY FREAKING YEAR it is HIM...THE BLAME GOES TO HIM

what a piece of garbage

David


Agree 100%.

Our front 4 couldn't get near Brunell, aside from ONE sack. So what does he do in the 4th quarter? Let's the DL d*** around with the Redskins' OL to make sure Brunell had plenty of time to throw the football.


Ware is gonna be a bust unless we get someone in here to replace Zimmer, ASAP.

Zimmer makes great players average, or below average. It's no coincidence both Roy's and T-New's best seasons have been their rookie years. The longer they are exposed to Zimmer, the worse they get.

[Rack Bauer]

Good points and yes, Dat played well early...

Shanle was made a FOOL of on that scramble rush by Brunell, who easily ran right buy him...

Roy was wrecking havouc with Blitzes as well, then, we stopped, we stopped even trying to knock out Brunell...

We don't even TRY to free up Ware with stunts...Strange days indeed!


Most DEs, good ones at least, would LOVE to be in the situation Ware was in most of the night. He was ONE ON ONE with Samuels almost every pass play. But Ware didn't attack him. He kept going at him half speed expecting Samuels to take a false step. Samuels technique is too good to expect him to screw up. You have to beat him PHYSICALLY. But Ware wasn't up for it. I hate to say it, I mean I REALLY hate to say it, but I question Ware's heart. He showed no relentlessness at all tonight. Haven't seen him be relentless all season (including preseason).

[smashmouth]

First off, Ware is not supposed be a down lineman. They brought him in to to be a LB.

Last week, I remember they had Ware on stunts, they moved him to the other side, they basically swithced things up.

That's what you have to do with a 250 LBr. You can't consistantly have him going up against a 320 pound tackle most of the 4th quarter, that is stupidity.

Having Newman playing the slot on a prevent 2 deep formation was moronic.

[Chocolate Lab]

I think he was just tired, Rack. On that next-to-last drive, it looked like our entire D was completely gassed.

That or he's absolutely confused out there. I heard a Dallas radio show with Glover last week, and he strongly hinted that Ware's head was totally spinning at this point. We might not see what he really has until halfway through the season or more.

[joseephuss]

I think he was just tired, Rack. On that next-to-last drive, it looked like our entire D was completely gassed.

That or he's absolutely confused out there. I heard a Dallas radio show with Glover last week, and he strongly hinted that Ware's head was totally spinning at this point. We might not see what he really has until halfway through the season or more.

I have to agree with that. All the young guys are going through a learning process.

[smashmouth]

I think he was just tired, Rack. On that next-to-last drive, it looked like our entire D was completely gassed.

That or he's absolutely confused out there. I heard a Dallas radio show with Glover last week, and he strongly hinted that Ware's head was totally spinning at this point. We might not see what he really has until halfway through the season or more.Why not move him around on the line?

Your players have to be in position to make plays and if you don't put them there, you're cheating yourself and the player.

Now if they noticed him being tired, then sub him out for a series.

It's just inexcusable with all the coaching mistakes we made tonight. The conservative play from the beginning series was pathetic.

We need a trick play to get into the endzone, and when Newman got the interception, we could only move it 8 yards or so.

And Gibbs played the same game in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarter until he was forced to stop being old fashioned.

Go and read the game thread from extremeskins.com, they were bit**ing about Gibbs playcalling, it was identical to Parcells. Yet when Gibbs was forced to open it up, things happened. Well, by the time Parcells had to open it up, it was too late.

[Rack Bauer]

That's what you have to do with a 250 LBr. You can't consistantly have him going up against a 320 pound tackle most of the 4th quarter, that is stupidity.

He was only playing DE in our nickel, and a couple of times in the 3-4. No excuses.

KGB is a 250 lber that goes up against an offensive tackle EVERY PLAY, but he still manages to get to the QB.

And about Ware's head spinning, in the 3-4 I agree. But when he's a DE in the nickel he has one job to do. So that excuse doesn't fly in that situation. It's all about heart. You have to force the tackle to react to you, instead of trying to react to the tackle. You have to DICTATE what you want to do, or at least have that type of mindset. But Ware was just shadow boxing with the Samuels trying to react to him instead.

[DWAREZ]

Umm don't forget Roy had 1 of those sacks. He played great tonight. Glenn is the goat-

Wrong..Roy had contain ..he was supposed to be behind Moss..Glenn was beat twice but Roy should have been there...very simple.

Roy did play well early but was beat Twice on the exact same play really.

[Rack Bauer]

Wrong..Roy had contain ..he was supposed to be behind Moss..Glenn was beat twice but Roy should have been there...very simple.

Roy did play well early but was beat Twice on the exact same play really.


Exactly. Roy had deep help but didn't come through. Twice.

Not to mention the dropped INT that would of won the game.

[smashmouth]

Exactly. Roy had deep help but didn't come through. Twice.

Not to mention the dropped INT that would of won the game.So let's trade roy and let Lynn Scott play SS. While we're at it, let's get rid of Ware, and go hunt down Merriman.

[Rack Bauer]

So let's trade roy and let Lynn Scott play SS. While we're at it, let's get rid of Ware, and go hunt down Merriman.


Wow, you sure like to spin doctor, don't you? I didn't say anything about trading or benching Roy.

When it's ONE defensive player not coming through, it's probably the player. But when it's SEVERAL defensive players not coming through over a course of SEVERAL years, then I'd say the coach should shoulder some of the blame, don't you think?

Shouldn't Zimmer had told Roy to play a little deeper after that 1st TD? I mean they KNEW they had to strike quick cuz they weren't gonna be able to try and long, clock eating drives on us with less then 3 minutes to play. Should the coaches have made an adjustment after the first TD?


Evenso, even without adjustments, a safeties job is to not let anyone get behind you. Roy let it happen twice. He screwed up. His best season ever is still his rookie year. Why is it that the longer players are around Zimmer, the worse they get? There's DEFINITELY a pattern here.

[smashmouth]

Wow, you sure like to spin doctor, don't you? I didn't say anything about trading or benching Roy.

When it's ONE defensive player not coming through, it's probably the player. But when it's SEVERAL defensive players not coming through over a course of SEVERAL years, then I'd say the coach should shoulder some of the blame, don't you think?

Shouldn't Zimmer had told Roy to play a little deeper after that 1st TD? I mean they KNEW they had to strike quick cuz they weren't gonna be able to try and long, clock eating drives on us with less then 3 minutes to play. Should the coaches have made an adjustment after the first TD?


Evenso, even without adjustments, a safeties job is to not let anyone get behind you. Roy let it happen twice. He screwed up. His best season ever is still his rookie year. Why is it that the longer players are around Zimmer, the worse they get? There's DEFINITELY a pattern here.Should Zimmer tell Roy to double team the player? Maybe. Should Zimmer tell Roy to play deep while a slot receiver or TE slide down the short middle for a 16 yard pick up and give up the 1st down?
On 4th down, you have to stop the 1st down 1st. Neither play Roy was doubling up on Moss.

Maybe they should have played double team on Moss, but Moss didn't do jack all game long, so they didn't.

They should have had Newman playing outside CB like he's supposed to be.

[Rack Bauer]

Should Zimmer tell Roy to double team the player?


Nope.


Should Zimmer tell Roy to play deep while a slot receiver or TE slide down the short middle for a 16 yard pick up and give up the 1st down?


YES! What's worse, please tell me, giving up a FIRST down on 4th and 15 or giving up a TOUCHdown on 4th and 15? Please, do tell. ANd it's not SOLELY the SS's job to stop the underneath routes. We have LBs for that, and they were doing a solid job at that point.

The point is when the defense called has you playing deep coverage, and you see the opposing team's FASTEST WR lined up on your side, then you GET DEEPER. Does Santana Moss going across the middle concern you? That's his BIGGEST weakness. He doesn't like getting hit and therefore doesnt' like going over the middle. What's the route that Moss likes best? What's the route that he is BEST at running? Shouldn't that be the route you're concerned with?

I tell you want, I'd be much more happy with them throwing to Moss over the middle of the field and completing a pass on 4th and 15 then for our FS to be lined up INSIDE the first down marker and giving up a long TD on 4th and 15. Call me crazy, but I just think it's better to NOT give up TDs in that situation. Especially when you have a lead with 4 minutes to go.

[Rack Bauer]

Maybe they should have played double team on Moss, but Moss didn't do jack all game long, so they didn't.


What Moss had done all game is irrelevant. They have 4 minutes to go, 4th and 15, you're winning by 13 points... Don't you think they should be worried about the Skins going deep? I mean it's not like they had time to dink and dunk on us. They HAD to throw deep. Our D should of been coached to be ready for it. The opposing teams' best WR excels at running deep, they should of been EXPECTING it to happen.

[DWAREZ]

Exactly. Roy had deep help but didn't come through. Twice.

Not to mention the dropped INT that would of won the game.

I am with you on this..Roy was beat twice by being out of position and he is a veteran..Glenn was beat but Roy had contain..NO PASS..it was poor play.

The lesson is for the saftey to be in position and NEVER...I Mean EVER...let a WR behind the CB and Saftey...Sheesh

[Rack Bauer]

I am with you on this..Roy was beat twice by being out of position and he is a veteran..Glenn was beat but Roy had contain..NO PASS..it was poor play.

The lesson is for the saftey to be in position and NEVER...I Mean EVER...let a WR behind the CB and Saftey...Sheesh



Especially when you KNOW they're at a point where they're desperate and will have to attempt a few bombs to win the game.

[smashmouth]

I am with you on this..Roy was beat twice by being out of position and he is a veteran..Glenn was beat but Roy had contain..NO PASS..it was poor play.

The lesson is for the saftey to be in position and NEVER...I Mean EVER...let a WR behind the CB and Saftey...SheeshI'd beat you easy think, all I would have to do is send Moss deep and drag Roy with him, and then hit my 4th receiver coming across deep middle for a 1st down.

[Rack Bauer]

I'd beat you easy think, all I would have to do is send Moss deep and drag Roy with him, and then hit my 4th receiver coming across deep middle for a 1st down.


Really? So, "Coach", Roy is the only one covering people out there? There's no LBs in the middle of the field? Not to mention, by forcing the QB to look ELSEWHERE it buys time even for our sorry pass rush to get to him. Moss was Brunell's FIRST option on both TDs and he never had to look elsewhere.

[DWAREZ]

I'd beat you easy think, all I would have to do is send Moss deep and drag Roy with him, and then hit my 4th receiver coming across deep middle for a 1st down.

Do not understand your reply..but it was clear Glenn was beat but Roy was not in position to contain..end result : 2 tds =14 points=RedSkins Win
OUCH!!

[smashmouth]

Do not understand your reply..but it was clear Glenn was beat but Roy was not in position to contain..end result : 2 tds =14 points=RedSkins Win
OUCH!!Let me explain it to you like you're a 3 year old then.

If I see you put an aging slower player on my younger faster player, and it's 4th and 14, and I send a receiver to pretend he's going to do a 16 route to stall the SS, I will beat you every time.

Now if I look across the defense and it's 4th and 14, and I see Newman over there on Moss, I know I can't go deep.

So I try to go to the middle of the field, and that's what RW was covering on both plays.

Now if they were going to play Glenn on the outside, then they should have had RW double up on Moss, but they didn't. I know they didn't because RW never moved towards the receiver from the beginning, and that's what you do when you're doubling up a receiver.

[Rack Bauer]

If I see you put an aging slower player on my younger faster player


It doesn't matter if the aging player was on him, he had deep help and he KNEW it. Roy didn't do his job.


Now if they were going to play Glenn on the outside, then they should have had RW double up on Moss, but they didn't. I know they didn't because RW never moved towards the receiver from the beginning, and that's what you do when you're doubling up a receiver


NObody said Roy was "Doubling" Moss. He didn't HAVE to double Moss. He only had to play Deep safety (which was his responsibility on BOTH plays) and we win the game. Period.

[DWAREZ]

Let me explain it to you like you're a 3 year old then.

If I see you put an aging slower player on my younger faster player, and it's 4th and 14, and I send a receiver to pretend he's going to do a 16 route to stall the SS, I will beat you every time.

Now if I look across the defense and it's 4th and 14, and I see Newman over there on Moss, I know I can't go deep.

So I try to go to the middle of the field, and that's what RW was covering on both plays.

Now if they were going to play Glenn on the outside, then they should have had RW double up on Moss, but they didn't. I know they didn't because RW never moved towards the receiver from the beginning, and that's what you do when you're doubling up a receiver.

First, you're a moron :)

Second, Roy bit on the wrong receiver on the first play and could not get back into position to contain. ROY HAD CONTAIN..DO WE NEED TO DRAW YOU A PICTURE!!!

Simple..he lacked proper recognition..it is Roy's Job to stay behind the Receiver..End of discussion.

Third, Roy makes the same mistake on the next play.

Fourth, you're still a moron.

[Rack Bauer]

First, you're a moron :)

Second, Roy bit on the wrong receiver on the first play and could not get back into position to contain.

Simple..he lacked proper recognition..it is Roy's Job to stay behind the Receiver..End of discussion.

Third, Roy makes the mistake on the next play.

End of discussion moron!!


Agreed 100%. With your ENTIRE post.

[DWAREZ]

Agreed 100%. With your ENTIRE post.

Yep..He simply wants to put the onus of the loss on the offense...and how can anyone who is a "coach" ..lol..not understand Roy was contain behind Glenn on BOTH busted plays..that is why Roy had the I just "pounded the pouch" look on his face.

[Rack Bauer]

Yep..He simply wants to put the onus of the loss on the offense...and how can anyone who is a "coach" ..lol..not understand Roy was contain behind Glenn on BOTH busted plays..that is why Roy had the I just "pounded the pouch" look on his face.



Exactly.

I mean, SURE the offense could of done "More" to win the game. But since when should you feel you have to score 28 points to win every game? If you have a 13 point lead with 4 minutes to go, you should win. The offense won't put up a lot of points every time. You have to be able to win when one of your other units is struggling. Today, our offense struggled. But, again, we still had a 13 point lead with 4 minutes to go. So regardless of how many points we had scored, the defense was in a favorable position. Nursing a 13 opint lead and having the opposing offense in 4th and long. What more can you ask for?

I mean, if we had scored 40 points, but the offense screwed up with 4 minutes to go and we lost, I'd blame the offense. It all comes down to the final minutes of the game. It all comes down to crunchtime. Any defense would be happy if they had a 13 point lead with 4 minutes to go.

[DWAREZ]

Exactly.

I mean, SURE the offense could of done "More" to win the game. But since when should you feel you have to score 28 points to win every game? If you have a 13 point lead with 4 minutes to go, you should win. The offense won't put up a lot of points every time. You have to be able to win when one of your other units is struggling. Today, our offense struggled. But, again, we still had a 13 point lead with 4 minutes to go. So regardless of how many points we had scored, the defense was in a favorable position. Nursing a 13 opint lead and having the opposing offense in 4th and long. What more can you ask for?

I mean, if we had scored 40 points, but the offense screwed up with 4 minutes to go and we lost, I'd blame the offense. It all comes down to the final minutes of the game. It all comes down to crunchtime. Any defense would be happy if they had a 13 point lead with 4 minutes to go.

Yep, I do agree the play calling could have been better when we got the ball back..we should of went to JJ..and Drew missed Witten for a HUGE game changing play because his coverage fell down..so he threw it to the wrong receiver..but this did not squander the game..we had a decent lead.

With less than 4 minutes you cannot bust the coverage for a TD much less do the exact same thing on the next drive. Sure, if it were not 4 minutes left the offense better get more points..but we lack the "killer" instinct on defense right now..How to finish the game ..how to destroy that anemic offense and eliminating the last few minutes of desperation plays.

We will be better for this and I do think we have the potential on defense to get the "killer instinct", but this was not the rookies fault..it was 2 veterans that blew it on defense...OUCH !!

[Doomsday]

Roy was lined up about 11 to 12 yards off the LOS on the second TD. Perhaps if he lined up 15 yards back, he could have made a play.

Roy and Keith were beaten deep on several plays during the game. It was just that on two of them the Redskins actually converted.

Watch it again Glenn is at least 15 yards off the line of scrimmage and Roy is about another 5 yards back from him on that second TD.

[Rack Bauer]

Watch it again Glenn is at least 15 yards off the line of scrimmage and Roy is about another 5 yards back from him on that second TD.


Nope. I was watching Roy BEFORE the play happened and was wondering why he was 2 yards inside the first down marker on 4th and 15. Both safeties were inside the first down marker. He should of been 2-3 yards OUTSIDE the first down marker.

[ConstantReboot]

Hello fellas. Tough lost indeed and I'm pissed at this lost. Not because the Skins are a better team. But we basically had our chances and failed to capitalized. I'm especially p*ssed at Zimmer the most because its his defensive changeup in the last few minutes of the game that gave the Skins the victory. We should have stuck to what was working. Don't fix what ain't broke!

Why the hell were we playing Roy in 2 deep coverage? Roy was a monster at the LOS tonight. Yet we rushed 4 linemen that were ineffectively slow in getting to Brunell. Basically, we did not use Roy to the best of his abilities.

Another thing is that we never play bump and run and instead play 10-15 yards away from the recievers. This is a Zimmer trademark and one which p*sses me off to no end. Zimmer is so set in his ways in blitzing Obogu, Coleman and Shanle but yet his willing to put Roy back on a 2 deep zone. That has to be flat out foolish.

In that 2nd TD to Moss we played a soft 2 deep zone in which we were 10 yards back away from the recievers. If your going to allow the recievers to run their routes untouched and uncontested, I don't care if your Deion, those recievers are going to tourch you for big yardage. It didn't only happen against the Skins or the Chargers last week. It has happened all throughout Zimmers less than stellar past as a DC for Dallas.

Most teams like the Patriots play bump and run and ruin the timing between the QB and the recievers. Its sad to say that Zimmer has not figured this obvious and effective solution out. He probably will never realize it. Frankly, I don't like to wish disaster on people. But I hope someone take him out of his misery. His the worst coach Dallas has every had.

Tonights lost was Zimmers fault plain and simple. He needs to go NOW!!

[Sandman]

He was 5 minutes from a shut out, guess he would have be a genuiss if the player make the play..He is solid coach and probably the next head coach of the cowboys, gotta figure he has been promised consideration for showing the loyalty to the club..

[ConstantReboot]

Loyalty means nothing. Zimmer will not be the next headcoach of the Cowboys. He is to dumb to know how to run a good defense.

[Sarge]

you know, its been 6yrs of this same garbage...this guy always slithers by...he is the worst coach this franchise has EVER had in all the yrs I have watched this team...one meltdown after another...ONE AFTER ANOTHER...no distance on 3rd or 4th down is ever safe...no 4th qtr lead is ever safe...

the clown absolutely doesnt know how to call defenses with a lead

if it was one play here or there and only happened a couple of times you could make the case that it isnt him, but when it happens multiple times EVERY FREAKING YEAR it is HIM...THE BLAME GOES TO HIM

what a piece of garbage

David

When you hold a team to 14 points - you should win.

[Rack Bauer]

When you hold a team to 14 points - you should win.


When you have a 13 point lead with 4 minutes in the game, and have the opposing offense in a 4th and 15, you should win.

[Sarge]

When you have a 13 point lead with 4 minutes in the game, and have the opposing offense in a 4th and 15, you should win.

That's true too.

[Rack Bauer]

Cortez missing that 40 yard FG didn't help either.

Neither did the bogus holding call on Flozell (the one on the pass, not the run).