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dmq
07-07-2004, 01:18 PM
No suprise with our unprovens that we are near the bottom.

Hail Green Bay! Packers backs are the NFL's best

Adrian Hasenmayer / FOXSports.com
Ranking the RB Packages
No. Team Depth Chart Breakdown
1. PACKERS

Ahman Green
Najeh Davenport
Tony Fisher
Dahrran Diedrick
Walter Williams The NFL's top group sports one of football's best two runners in Ahman Green. But he'll get even more rest than last season not due to fading skills, but Davenport (420 yards, 5.5 yards/carry in 2003) allows the Pack to rest Green without sacrificing production. The 6-1, 245 pound backup enjoyed 2-3 normal series each game in '03 and his workload is expected to increase even more this year to keep Green fresh for the playoffs. Just in case, third-stringer Tony Fisher also plays well in Green Bay's straight ahead, inside running attack.
2. CHIEFS

Priest Holmes
Larry Johnson
Derrick Blaylock
Henri Childs
Jonathan Smith
Ronnie Cruz Dick Vermeil's collection of RB talent could easily become the league's best if they can get second-year man Larry Johnson on the field more to spell the NFL's best all-around back, Priest Holmes. Easier said than done, as Holmes more than proved his worth last season by ripping off his third straight year of 2,000+ yards from scrimmage. Speaking of 2,000 yards, their backup is the only man in Penn State history with a 2,000-yard season. Johnson showed a few glimpses of his talent in '03, and Blaylock has spelled Holmes effectively when called on.
3. PANTHERS

Stephen Davis
DeShaun Foster
Rod Smart
Derrick Knight There's no secret for opposing defensive coordinators: Panthers head coach John Fox often reaffirms publicly that the Cats will run the football on first downs, second downs and just about every down. The reason is they have bruising runner Stephen Davis (1,444 yards in '03), who proved his point to former Skins coach Steve Spurrier last year. This fall, watch for more forecasts for Lightning mixed in with Davis' Thunder because the Cats will use cat-quick DeShaun Foster more to spell Davis. In Davis and Foster, the Panthers have two bonafide studs at RB ... and they even have "He Hate Me" for added flavor.
4. RAMS

Marshall Faulk
Lamar Gordon
Stephen Jackson
Spencer Nead
Arlen Harris
Dusty McGrorty
Adam Matthews He may not be the same explosive, MVP back. But Marshall Faulk at 31 is still better than most every other ball-carrier, as witnessed by his return from injury in '03 (five 100-yards games in final eight games). Rams' top cop Mike Martz has plenty of backup, starting with third-year man Lamar Gordon and first-round pick Stephen Jackson — arguably the best RB in the this year's draft. Arlen Harris even has a three touchdown game on his resume in Faulk fill-in time last season.
5. VIKINGS

Michael Bennett
Moe Williams
Onterrio Smith
Mewelde Moore
Larry Ned
Butchie Wallace If the blazing Bennett is healthy all year, the Vikings should be playing in January even if a Pop Warner team mans the defense (which some critics have suggested they have). His 1,296 yards in 2002 was not a mirage and his speed is world class. He still may not be the best RB on the team, as Onterrio Smith has flashed plenty of potential with his 5.4 yards per carry as a rookie in '03. And how valuable is all-purpose man Moe Williams (2003 digits: 745 rush yards, 644 receiving yards, 8 total TDs)? Good luck to Mike Tice in figuring out how to get everyone enough touches.
6. JAGUARS

Fred Taylor
LaBrandon Toefield
Greg Jones
David Allen
Joe Smith
Rich Alexis Forget about Taylor's previous "brittle" label. The guy has not missed a game for two years running, ran for over 1,500 yards in 2003 and he's only 28. The Jags should be able to bank on him for another couple seasons as Freddie enjoys his prime. But Jacksonville scores very high with their top two backups Toefield and Jones. Despite Taylor's career-high 345 carries last year, Jacksonville still found a way to get Toefield some touches and he performed the steady understudy role (4.0 average). The real find could be Florida State rookie Greg Jones, who at 248 pounds could steal some goal line touches this year.
7. SEAHAWKS

Shaun Alexander
Maurice Morris
Kerry Carter
Tellis Redmon It's normally tough for Seattle to get some pub, but fans everywhere know Alexander is one of the NFL's best backs. He racked up his third 1,000-yard campaign last year in his most consistent season yet — scoring TDs in all but four games. What some may not know is the Hawks also have one of football's more exciting backups in Morris. The former Oregon Duck came close to taking over as a rookie in 2002 before Alexander improved his production. Morris' 5.6 yards per carry means Mike Holmgren is secure if Alexander gets an injury a case of fumble-itis.
8. PATRIOTS

Corey Dillon
Kevin Faulk
Mike Cloud
Cedric Cobbs Coming off New England's second Super Bowl win in three years, Pats fans were amped up even higher by the off-season deal for the former Bengal malcontent Dillon. The good news: he can produce, as judged by his six 1,000-yard seasons — all for losing teams. The bad news: he can pout when times get tough and turns 30 in October. But combined with scatback Kevin Faulk, Dillon gives Bill Belichick his best Chow-dah backfield. Short yardage guy Mike Cloud chipped in with 5 TDs last year and provides more depth.
9. BENGALS

Rudi Johnson
Chris Perry
Kenny Watson
Skip Hicks
Herbert Goodman Things are looking up in Cincy, and a big reason is the Bengals' new No. 1 back Rudi Johnson — a starting running back the fans can actually embrace. RU-DI, RUDI just missed a 1,000-yard season in '03 despite only five starts and played so well the team decided to ship out Corey Dillon. In case Rudi flops, Marvin Lewis hopes the team drafted "Rudi, Version 2.0" in 2003 Heisman Trophy candidate Chris Perry. Also in the Cincy stable are Kenny Watson (two 100-yard games with Redskins in 2002) and veteran Skip Hicks (led NFL Europe with 12 TDs this spring).
10. RAVENS

Jamal Lewis
Chester Taylor
Musa Smith
B.J. Sams
Kory Chapman Baltimore fans may be holding their collective breath pending results of Jamal Lewis' drug arrest, but count him in the mix for our purposes. Lewis keys the Ravens' top ten ranking behind his surprising 2,000-yard season last year in winning the NFL's Offensive Player of the Year award. Nowadays, Brian Billick seems better prepared without Lewis with second-season back Chester Taylor. Out of small school Toledo, Taylor impressed in limited action in '03. 232-pound Musa Smith also chipped in two TDs last season in goal line duty.
11. REDSKINS

Clinton Portis
Ladell Betts
Chad Morton
John Simon
Sultan McCullough Trading CB Champ Bailey may have been a steep price, but RB Clinton Portis could FINALLY help get owner Daniel Snyder back to the playoffs. Portis ran for almost 1,600 yards in just 13 games in '03, so if healthy the Skins get a premiere talent. I may be nuts, but I also like the Skins' supplemental pieces in Betts and Morton — both of whom were affected severely by Snyder's ex Steve Spurrier and his subpar schemes. With the legendary Joe Gibbs and his power-running back in town, the Skins' backfield should more closely resemble the glory days from the "Gibbs I" era.
12. CHARGERS

LaDainian Tomlinson
Jessie Chatman
Leon Johnson
Michael Turner
Doug Chapman
Cal Murray There are serious questions behind Tomlinson, but would you rather have one superstar and sorry depth or 3-4 average players and a question mark as your starter? Not many would turn away L.T., who ran for over 1,600 yards while also catching 100 passes in 2003. Tomlinson accounted for 46.2% of the SD offense, an incredible figure for a RB. Yet if he ever gets hurt — he's never missed a game in three years — the Chargers would be in trouble. Backup Jessie Chatman has 14 carries and a 2.6 average in two seasons, and only Johnson and Chapman have experience, though very marginal. Tomlinson's reliability thus far improves the Chargers' ranking.
13. EAGLES

Brian Westbrook
Correll Buckhalter
Reno Mahe
Bruce Perry
Eric McCoo Philly's three-headed monster at RB is minus one helmet in Duce Staley, but there's plenty still left. If healthy Westbrook is one of the more exciting players with the football. He scored 11 TDs rushing and receiving in only 154 touches, plus added two punt return TDs as well. Andy Reid wants to feed him more with Staley gone, but not burn him out. That's where Correll Buckhalter comes in, and he's no slouch (523 rush yards, 8 rush TDs in '03) but also carries a troubling injury history. Philly even likes 2nd-year workhorse Reno Mahe, who will spell Westbrook and Buckhalter from time to time.
14. BRONCOS

Garrison Hearst
Quentin Griffin
Cecil Sapp
Ahmaad Galloway
Brandon Miree
Tatum Bell
Santonio Beard How do you trade away Clinton Portis and still rank this high? Mike Shanahan must truly believe he has the Midas Touch when it comes to picking RBs. Don't doubt him, the results speak volumes. To make up for Portis, the Broncos signed a veteran with a strong background (Hearst), groomed an incumbent possibly primed to start (Griffin) and plucked an acclaimed youngster in the draft (Bell). While Denver may borrow the Philly platoon approach at first, watch for the rookie Tatum Bell to see if he can become the next great Broncos back.
15. SAINTS

Deuce McAllister
Lamar Smith
Ronney Jenkins
Tavian Banks
Aaron Stecker Deuce McAllister's situation in New Orleasn resembles that of LaDainian Tomlinson in San Diego. He's the heart of the offense (1,641 rushing yards in 2003), though he has a few more offensive weapons around him. But the Saints are in dire straits if he goes down to injury. At least they have a veteran backup in Lamar Smith, who owns a 1,000-yard season on his resumι. Jenkins is merely a return man, but the Saints also have experienced former Buc Aaron Stecker.
16. DOLPHINS

Ricky Williams
Travis Minor
Fred Russell
Leonard Henry Miami is another one-horse backfield with quite a horse in Ricky Williams, though he rushed for "only" 1,372 yards in his career-high 392 carries. His 3.5 average had more to do with the Dolphins' inept QB play last year than it did with Williams. This is another team whose season could be thrown out the window if it loses it's starting RB. No disrespect to backup Travis Minor, who owns a solid 4.5 yards per carry, but he's no Ricky.
17. BILLS

Travis Henry
Willis McGahee
Ken Simonton
Isaac Mitchell
Shaud Williams Now all of you Bills fan, let me fire a preemptive strike before you pound the forum about how you have two No. 1 RBs. Yes, Travis Henry has put up back-to-back 1,300-yard seasons. I know, I know ... Willis McGahee should be healthy and ready to contribute after missing his rookie season rehabbing his Fiesta Bowl knee injury from January 2003. Still, McGahee's knee is a big mystery until he proves himself on the field at NFL speed. Henry is a good back, at just 5-foot-9 I question how long he can be counted on as a No. 1 back. O.K., let 'er rip, Bills fans.
18. STEELERS

Duce Staley
Jerome Bettis
Dante Brown
Willie Parker Granted, the Steelers don't look like they're planning for the future too well at RB. But they should have enough mileage left on Staley and Bettis to compensate this season. Duce was preserved well enough in Philly's three-man rotation, and he's looking forward to getting some more carries as Bill Cowher has preached a return to his ball-control roots on offense. The Bus is 32 and his 1,000-yard seasons are behind him, but he could combine with Staley for a solid 1-2 combination.
19. COLTS

Edgerrin James
Dominic Rhodes
James Mungro
Brian Allen
Ran Carthon Hand it to The Edge, he battled hard to return to his previous 1,000-yard status after a 2001 knee injury. With 1,259 yards in 2003, James proved the doubters wrong for the most part. After all, he's not the same player he once was. Frankly, he probably never will be on that Indy turf. And while Indy has two adequate backups who have been with the Colts and know the system in Rhodes and Mungro, they are constantly hurt.
20. JETS

Curtis Martin
Lamont Jordan
Derrick Ward
Jonathan Reese
Ian Smart
Little John Flowers Curtis Martin has been a wonderful NFL player, with 1,000+ yards in each of his nine seasons — including 1,308 last season when everyone suspected he might fade away. With all due respect to the veteran, this could be the year he fades away. Lamont Jordan appears to be the back of the future, if the team can convince him to drop his trade demands. Extra points go to the Jets for having a guy named Little John on the team.
21. BEARS

Thomas Jones
Anthony Thomas
Rabih Abdullah
Brock Forsey
Adrian Peterson
Dwone Hicks Some wonder why the Bears would spend off-season dough on RB Jones when they already had a 1,000-yard starter in Thomas. Maybe that should tell us enough about how the Bears view Thomas for the long-term. Jones could be a huge gift for the Bears coming off his strong finish to the 2003 season, but he could also be the mirage he's always been since he was drafted by the Cardinals in 2000. Thomas tends to get banged up, another reason the Bears were smart to grab Mr. Jones. Forsey is merely adequate as a backup, and the hyped Peterson never pushed Thomas in 2003 when he had a chance to unseat him.
22. LIONS

Shawn Bryson
Artose Pinner
Olandis Gary
Kevin Jones
Paul Smith
Avon Cobourne Like many of you, I can't wait to see rookie RB Kevin Jones hit the field to see if he's the missing link in Motown's young offense. But he still has not yet had one carry in the bigs, and while rookie RBs fare much better in Year One than rookie WRs or QBs, jury deliberations continue. If Jones is not that piece, the Lions don't have much except some names you might recognize. Pinner has been pining for a shot at the big-time, and Gary has some success in his background in Denver, but counting on a rookie can still be dangerous (see Thomas Jones in Arizona, circa 2000).
23. FALCONS

Warrick Dunn
T.J. Duckett
James Fenderson
Quincy Wilson
Zack Abron If we counted Michael Vick in this group, they'd jump to the top ten — but that would be cheating. Though Falcons fans may wish Vick carried the ball on every play, he likely wouldn't last past the first half on Week One. Instead of a franchise RB to support the young Vick, Atlanta uses an inside guy (Duckett) and an outside guy (Dunn) to run the ground game. Unfortunately, neither adds up to enough of a RB threat to truly help Vick as much as he could use the assistance.
24. BROWNS

Lee Suggs
Willie Green
James Jackson
Adimchinobe Echemandu
Nick Maddox
Joffrey Reynolds The Browns appeared set at this time last year with 2002 first-round pick William Green coming off a strong finish to the end of the '02 season. But his arrest and suspension last year threw the position into Code Red. Last year's promising rookie Suggs wasn't yet ready for prime time, and while Jackson was effective at times the Browns lack of a running presence crushed the offense. A sorry offensive line was part culprit, but unless Green somehow returns and stays in the lineup, this spot goes to the dogs (not the Dawgs).
25. TEXANS

Domanick Davis
Tony Hollings
Jonathan Wells
Travis Stephens
Jason Anderson QB David Carr thanked his lucky stars in 2003 for the surprising emergence of rookie Domanick Davis, who surpasses the 1,000-yard barrier in getting 10 starts. Davis will be the starter, though still unproven over a full season. Hollings, a supplemental draft pick in 2003 who some thought would steal the starting gig last year, failed in his shot because he couldn't hold onto the football. Wells is another youngster with potential, but the Texans' group — with apologies to Davis — is swirling in potential that needs to prove itself.
26. RAIDERS

Tyrone Wheatley
Justin Fargas
Troy Hambrick
Amos Zereoue
Chris Downs
J.R. Redmond
Keith Burnell
DeJuan Green Well, if quantity alone was my thing, the Raiders would grab the top spot. But beyond the huddled masses, Oakland's RB package should not be opened. Wheatley is merely a part-time player at this stage of his career. Former USC Trojan Fargas is a gamer with some speed, but not enough meat to last the season as a 20-25 carry player. Hambrick got run out of Dallas by Bill Parcells, who just might have a future is this NFL thing. And Zereoue earned, then quickly lost his starting job in Pittsburgh in '03. Al Davis is looking for a few good men, not a bunch of average Joes.
27. GIANTS

Tiki Barber
Delvin Joyce
Ron Dayne
Antwoine Womack
Chris Douglas
Jermaine Green The patience of new Giants head honcho Tom Coughlin will be tested in 2004, especially if Tiki Barber is the only offense on the Giants. New York's Tiki God could do only so much in 2003, and he did quite a bit with 1,677 totals yards from scrimmage. But fumble and fatigue problems, plus only three TDs in '03, make Barber a questionable choice to repeat as the heart and soul of the offense. The problem is that Barber may be the only good back on Coughlin's team. Any team with Ron Dayne still on the roster has trouble.
28. BUCS

Charlie Garner
Michael Pittman
Brandon Bennett
Jamel White
Earnest Graham Jon Gruden does have some experience to work with, but he certainly can't be overjoyed with this group. Garner's engine still runs, but doesn't have much juice left. Pittman lost his job at the end of 2003, plus his domestic violence issues and suspension have clouded his dependability. The Bucs went out and grabbed former AFC North backups Bennett (former Bengal) and White (former Brown) just in case. Let the RB by committee begin!
29. 49ERS

Kevan Barlow
Jamal Robertson
Maurice Hicks
Jason Wright In the spirit of not dumping on anyone completely, Kevan Barlow could turn out to be one of football's best RBs. Thanks to a Garrison Hearst injury in 2003, Barlow got his long-awaited chance as the exclusive carrier in San Francisco and he responded with 1,024 yards. The problem is he has yet to prove he can handle the job fulltime over the long haul, and if injuries bring him down the Niners' three other backs have 32 NFL carries between them — all by Jamal Robertson. Where are you, Ricky Watters?
30. COWBOYS

Julius Jones
Aveion Cason
ReShard Lee
Erik Bickerstaff Cowboy fan would never question a football authority such as Bill Parcells, would he? Simply cutting '03 starting RB Troy Hambrick — leaving only a rookie second-round pick as your starter — is a no-brainer, right? If the move was made by anyone other than Parcells, the move would be dubbed a "No Brain" move. Jerry Jones hopes the Tuna caught a draft steal in Notre Dame's Julius Jones. Other than the rook, Cason, Lee and Bickerstaff do not strike fear into the hearts of the opposition.

dmq
07-07-2004, 01:19 PM
31. CARDINALS

Emmitt Smith
Marcel Shipp
Damien Anderson
Josh Scobey It is somewhat strange to rank a group that includes the NFL's all-time leading rusher at No. 31 in running backs, but it's much weirder that new Cards coach Dennis Green installed the "very past his prime" Emmitt Smith as his starter before training camp. Is Bill Bidwell coaching the team, or is Green possessed by the desert spirits? The scary thing is Emmitt may be more effective than Marcel Shipp, a trendy fantasy back in 2003. But a close look at Shipp's 2003 season (averaged only 47.8 rush yards per game over final eight games) shows that the Cards are desperate for consistent running game, even if it's consistently ordinary.
32. TITANS

Eddie George
Chris Brown
Ray Jackson Eddie George has been such an admirable warrior in the league for his eight seasons that it's sad to watch him struggle for yards like he has the past few years. Consider his yards per carry averages the last three seasons, 2001 through 2003 respectively: 3.0, 3.4, 3.3. He was never a speed back, but the Titans' offense could use much more production. If George either does not return to Tennessee or falls below his 3.0 rushing GPA, Jeff Fisher hopes Chris Brown is the next George. At 6-foot-3 and 219, he's got the build, but does he have the game? The Titans could use some options here.

AdamJT13
07-07-2004, 01:25 PM
It might not bump us up much, if at all, but they didn't even consider Richie Anderson. He'll probably get the second-most carries this season.

Henry
07-07-2004, 01:40 PM
The Chargers should be much, much higher on this list.

Mattsdad
07-07-2004, 01:40 PM
we wont go into the season with this list....you can bet on a veteran being brought in for camp...imo.

blindzebra
07-07-2004, 01:50 PM
The Chargers should be much, much higher on this list.

So should the Colts.

coach316
07-07-2004, 04:14 PM
The Rams are about 4 spots too high. The Vikes should be at the #3 spot.

The Patriots are WAY too high, even with Corey Dillon. After Dillon they have nothing. Kevin Faulk couldn't even beat out Antowain Smith for the lead spot if that tells you anything about him.

The Bears and Lions are too low. They should be up around the 15 & 16 spots just below the Saints.

What can you say about the Cowboys? They have an unproven rookie and a bunch of unknowns. PLUS Bickerstaff just went down with a torn Achilles. He's out for the year. Reshard Lee (Middle TN State) has put on about 10 lbs of muscle in the off season and rumor has it he looked explosive in mini camp. He could end up being the power back we need. I expect, once the front office gets back from vacation, they'll be giving Antowain Smith or Stacey Mack a call before camp starts just to have camp bodies available and possibly to have a veteran to fall back on in case of a Jones injury or he just doesn't pan out.

I don't agree that the Chargers and Colts should be higher. After LT they have nobody and an unproven rookie. Edge still isn't the Edge of old and after him they have nothing exciting.

blindzebra
07-07-2004, 04:35 PM
The Rams are about 4 spots too high. The Vikes should be at the #3 spot.

The Patriots are WAY too high, even with Corey Dillon. After Dillon they have nothing. Kevin Faulk couldn't even beat out Antowain Smith for the lead spot if that tells you anything about him.

The Bears and Lions are too low. They should be up around the 15 & 16 spots just below the Saints.

What can you say about the Cowboys? They have an unproven rookie and a bunch of unknowns. PLUS Bickerstaff just went down with a torn Achilles. He's out for the year. Reshard Lee (Middle TN State) has put on about 10 lbs of muscle in the off season and rumor has it he looked explosive in mini camp. He could end up being the power back we need. I expect, once the front office gets back from vacation, they'll be giving Antowain Smith or Stacey Mack a call before camp starts just to have camp bodies available and possibly to have a veteran to fall back on in case of a Jones injury or he just doesn't pan out.

I don't agree that the Chargers and Colts should be higher. After LT they have nobody and an unproven rookie. Edge still isn't the Edge of old and after him they have nothing exciting.

LT is the best RB in the NFL, I don't care if Hambrick is his back up SD should be top 5. James had 1259 and 11 TDs last year and I guess you missed that 1100 yards and 9 TDs Rhodes put up in 10 games in 2001, huh?

joseephuss
07-07-2004, 04:46 PM
LT is the best RB in the NFL, I don't care if Hambrick is his back up SD should be top 5. James had 1259 and 11 TDs last year and I guess you missed that 1100 yards and 9 TDs Rhodes put up in 10 games in 2001, huh?

I don't know if San Diego should be up high on the list. They have unproven NFL backs behind one of the best in LT. At the same time and under the same criteria, I don't understand why K.C. is #2. Priest is a great back, but do they really have anything behind him. No one knows. To me, Minnesota has a better claim to #2. Their three top backs have extensive succesfull playing time. Even more so than Green Bay.

MichaelWinicki
07-07-2004, 04:49 PM
we wont go into the season with this list....you can bet on a veteran being brought in for camp...imo.

I wouldn't make that bet.

MichaelWinicki
07-07-2004, 04:51 PM
Anyone else think Najeh Davenport is the perfect "Number 2" running back?

blindzebra
07-07-2004, 04:58 PM
I don't know if San Diego should be up high on the list. They have unproven NFL backs behind one of the best in LT. At the same time and under the same criteria, I don't understand why K.C. is #2. Priest is a great back, but do they really have anything behind him. No one knows. To me, Minnesota has a better claim to #2. Their three top backs have extensive succesfull playing time. Even more so than Green Bay.

There is no rhyme or reason to the rankings. You need to base it on quality of the starters and quality of the depth.

If the top backs rate a 10 and their backups get a 5 and a 3 that equals 18, but they'll put a team with a good back as a starter getting an 8, a solid back up getting a 6 and another worth a 4 again 18, but they are rated top 5. STUPID.

junk
07-07-2004, 05:33 PM
Anyone else think Najeh Davenport is the perfect "Number 2" running back?

The Defecator. He is pretty solid. I think he returns kicks too.

Dale
07-07-2004, 05:42 PM
The Defecator. He is pretty solid. I think he returns kicks too.

The Chiefs shouldn't be this high on the list if the Chargers aren't because of their lack of ability behind Tomlinson.

Sure, the Chiefs have a first round pick backing up Holmes, but even the description listed in this analysis says if they can get anything out of Johnson, they'll have a dynamic group of backs.

The No. 2 "tandem" shouldn't be based upon the chance that the team's backup running back can become any good.

Johnson had only 85 yards rushing last year. Their other backup, Blaylock, had 112.

By comparison, the Packers' and Panthers' backups both had 400 yards rushing, while their starters had 1400 and 1800 yards respectively.

MichaelWinicki
07-07-2004, 07:59 PM
The Defecator. He is pretty solid. I think he returns kicks too.

I heard he takes a solid one too...

junk
07-07-2004, 08:58 PM
I heard he takes a solid one too...

Guard your laundry hampers. Najeh Davenport is in the house!

AJM1613
07-07-2004, 09:41 PM
The Patriots are too high on the list and the Eagles are too low. I don't think that is homerism. Westbrook is a better back than Dillon, and Buckhalter is one of the best backups in the league (next to Davenport and a few others).

Tio
07-07-2004, 09:51 PM
The Patriots are too high on the list and the Eagles are too low. I don't think that is homerism. Westbrook is a better back than Dillon, and Buckhalter is one of the best backups in the league (next to Davenport and a few others).Wheres a crazy sign when you need one. Westbrook over dillon????

BTW, you seem to always knock the only team that is generally rated above the eagles....

AJM1613
07-07-2004, 10:38 PM
Wheres a crazy sign when you need one. Westbrook over dillon????

BTW, you seem to always knock the only team that is generally rated above the eagles....
I always knock the team that I live near.

Here is the confused sign: :confused:

Westbrook averaged 5.2 ypc last year (4.9 career) and Dillon is only a 4.3 back. He averaged 3.9 ypc last year and had only two TD. Wesbrook also had 7 rushing TD last year. Dillon is also 5 years older.

Wesbrook also had 37 receptions for 332 yards and 5 receiving TD.

Westbrook also returned punts and had a 15.3 averaged with 2 TD. That was second best in the NFL (Hall).

It is just the amount of touches, if he had more he would be considered an elite back.

Hostile
07-07-2004, 10:50 PM
The Patriots are too high on the list and the Eagles are too low. I don't think that is homerism. Westbrook is a better back than Dillon, and Buckhalter is one of the best backups in the league (next to Davenport and a few others).
Westbrook is better than Dillon?

In what fantasy?

Westbrook is a good young RB, but he is nowhere near the accomplished back Dillon is.

AJM1613
07-07-2004, 10:52 PM
Westbrook is better than Dillon?

In what fantasy?

Westbrook is a good young RB, but he is nowhere near the accomplished back Dillon is.
Dillon is a lot more accomplished but at this stage of his career, Westbrook is better.

Hostile
07-07-2004, 10:55 PM
Dillon is a lot more accomplished but at this stage of his career, Westbrook is better.
No way, no shape, no how.

AJM1613
07-07-2004, 10:58 PM
I always knock the team that I live near.

Here is the confused sign: :confused:

Westbrook averaged 5.2 ypc last year (4.9 career) and Dillon is only a 4.3 back. He averaged 3.9 ypc last year and had only two TD. Wesbrook also had 7 rushing TD last year. Dillon is also 5 years older.

Wesbrook also had 37 receptions for 332 yards and 5 receiving TD.

Westbrook also returned punts and had a 15.3 averaged with 2 TD. That was second best in the NFL (Hall).

It is just the amount of touches, if he had more he would be considered an elite back.
I forgot to mention that Dillon had 21 more carries last year too, but Westbrook had more yards and TDs. :p

This is behind the same line that gave Rudi Johnson a 4.5 ypc and 9 rushing TDs.

Tio
07-07-2004, 11:00 PM
Dillon is a lot more accomplished but at this stage of his career, Westbrook is better.Until westbroom can prove durable enough to handle the load, DILLON>>>westbrook

AJM1613
07-07-2004, 11:08 PM
Until westbroom can prove durable enough to handle the load, DILLON>>>westbrook
You mean a torn Tricep muscle? ;)

Tio
07-07-2004, 11:10 PM
You mean a torn Tricep muscle? ;) :confused: I never said anything about an injury...

AJM1613
07-07-2004, 11:31 PM
:confused: I never said anything about an injury...
You said durable and I thought you meant because he got hurt last season.

Tio
07-07-2004, 11:52 PM
You said durable and I thought you meant because he got hurt last season.I meant he hasn't proven he can carry the load without getting hurt, and I guess he hasn't proved he can carry a third of the load...

Dale
07-07-2004, 11:54 PM
You said durable and I thought you meant because he got hurt last season.

The problem with ranking Brian Westbrook that high is because he hasn't proven he can be the guy yet. Sure, he's shown to be a real good player, but much of his production has come in various spot roles.

Just look at the comparison between Staley and Westbrook from last season. Statistically, they were nearly identical.

Staley started only 4 games to Westbrook's 8, yet Westbrook only had 21 more carries than Staley. Westbrook had an impressive 5.2 ypc, but then Staley's 4.8 ypc were pretty high as well. Their production in the passing game was practically the same as well, with Westbrook grabbing one more reception but Staley gaining 50 more yards. Westbrook did outperform Staley in touchdowns, scoring 11 times to Staley's seven scores.

Regardless, it's hard to consider Westbrook a proven starter considering he's been splitting carries with other backs. When a defense is keying in on one guy, as they'll be doing more so with Westbrook next season even though Buckhalter is still around, things are likely to become more difficult.

Remember, Hambrick had a 4.7 average while backing up Emmitt Smith behind some suspect lines. He found things were much harder when he was the guy, and he wasn't just providing a change of pace.

Westbrook's a good player, no doubt. But let's allow him to prove himself a little further before we rank him too highly.

And the Eagles' depth at running back does remain strong, but undoubtedly took a hit with the loss of Staley. If he were still around, the Eagles would deservedly be ranked higher on this list because the depth would be that much stronger.

Big D
07-08-2004, 04:37 AM
The problem with ranking Brian Westbrook that high is because he hasn't proven he can be the guy yet. Sure, he's shown to be a real good player, but much of his production has come in various spot roles.

Just look at the comparison between Staley and Westbrook from last season. Statistically, they were nearly identical.

Staley started only 4 games to Westbrook's 8, yet Westbrook only had 21 more carries than Staley. Westbrook had an impressive 5.2 ypc, but then Staley's 4.8 ypc were pretty high as well. Their production in the passing game was practically the same as well, with Westbrook grabbing one more reception but Staley gaining 50 more yards. Westbrook did outperform Staley in touchdowns, scoring 11 times to Staley's seven scores.

Regardless, it's hard to consider Westbrook a proven starter considering he's been splitting carries with other backs. When a defense is keying in on one guy, as they'll be doing more so with Westbrook next season even though Buckhalter is still around, things are likely to become more difficult.

Remember, Hambrick had a 4.7 average while backing up Emmitt Smith behind some suspect lines. He found things were much harder when he was the guy, and he wasn't just providing a change of pace.

Westbrook's a good player, no doubt. But let's allow him to prove himself a little further before we rank him too highly.

And the Eagles' depth at running back does remain strong, but undoubtedly took a hit with the loss of Staley. If he were still around, the Eagles would deservedly be ranked higher on this list because the depth would be that much stronger.



Staley was the strength of the team and the ONLY eagle to show up in the playoffs. He will be missed.. the good thing is that I dont think they realize it yet.

morasp
07-08-2004, 06:55 AM
No suprise with our unprovens that we are near the bottom.

Hail Green Bay! Packers backs are the NFL's best

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They need to mention the O-Line these guys run behind. Put any of those guys behind ours last year and they'll be towards the bottom of the list.

AJM1613
07-08-2004, 07:31 AM
Staley was the strength of the team and the ONLY eagle to show up in the playoffs. He will be missed.. the good thing is that I dont think they realize it yet.
You mean the long bomb that he droped (went right through his hands) that would have surly have been a TD or the wrong route that he ran at the end of the game that caused Detmer to throw an interception?

I think McNabb's 355 total yards and two TD in the Packers game was "showing up" or the 7 receptions for 95 yards and 1 TD for Pinkston. Westbrook couldn't have showed up because he was injured and didn't play.