Should giving up 14 points win you the game?

[smashmouth]

I'm sick and tired of people blamming the defense on this loss when it's clear to me from the first snap we took, that we were afraid of beating ourselves.

I just wonder how much faith Parcells has in his offensive line, and in our Quarterback - Our defense played a heck of a game, but if we score another touchdown in the game somewhere, we win. If we continuously give hold teams to 2 touchdowns a game, then we should be in the Super Bowl.

He brought Drew in to be a bus driver, and Drew is a playmaking QB. (or supposed to be) He knew that Washington was stacking the line, and run blitzing all game long, but he continued to throw dink and dunk crap passes. Drew Bledsoe had more than enough time to throw the ball tonight, they barely touched him.

If you told me that Washington would not get to Bledsoe much, I would have told you that we were going to score 34 points tonight then. I predicted we would win 34-16, but I guess I didn't give our Defense enough credit, huh?

If you all want to continue to blame the defense, and not blame our offense for stinking it up, and being conservative, then we will go 6-10 this year.

And I know some of you are in love with Drew Bledsoe, but late in the 3rd quarter and especially in the 4th, Drew could not hit his target. He was short arming the ball, he was throwing the ball way too high, and he was throwing it away without having any pressure what-so-ever on him.

My point is, keep blamming the defense all you want, and let's see us make it to the playoffs with our conservative offense.

[Rack Bauer]

We gave up 14 points in the last 5 minutes. There is NO NEED to risk a turnover when your D has been playing outstanding the whole game and you have a 13 point lead.

Quit blaming the offense. The Defense gave up 14 opints in the last 5 minutes of the game. THAT is what lost the game. PERIOD.

[smashmouth]

So you want your offense to score 13 points a game?

[Rack Bauer]

Who the f*** said that?

Every game is different. This game we had a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to go. Would you feel better if that 13 opint lead was 23-10 and we still lost? A 13 point lead is a 13 point lead, and we blew it. It could of been 28 to 15, it wouldn't of made a freakin' difference. Again, A 13 POINT LEAD IS A 13 POINT LEAD. WITH 5 MINUTES LEFT IN THE GAME.

[jbsg02]

I disliked a lot of the offensive play calling, especially in the begenning of the game. The Redskins have a good defense but a good offense should score more than 13 points.

[ghosttown cowboy]

Yes it should!

[smashmouth]

Who the f*** said that?

Every game is different. This game we had a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to go. Would you feel better if that 13 opint lead was 23-10 and we still lost? A 13 point lead is a 13 point lead, and we blew it. It could of been 28 to 15, it wouldn't of made a freakin' difference. Again, A 13 POINT LEAD IS A 13 POINT LEAD. WITH 5 MINUTES LEFT IN THE GAME.It was not like they were dominating us on defense, they were just stopping the run.

They did not do a good job at stopping our passing attack, but Parcells didn't want that. He is stubbourn, and when he puts in a game plan, he doesn't change it.

I thought Washington was going to blitz more, but they didn't. So you know what you do, if they don't want to blitz, then you attack their a$$ in the air. But you want to tell me that scoring 13 points when you can throw it all day long is good, that's not smart.

[windward]

Who the f*** said that?

Every game is different. This game we had a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to go. Would you feel better if that 13 opint lead was 23-10 and we still lost? A 13 point lead is a 13 point lead, and we blew it. It could of been 28 to 15, it wouldn't of made a freakin' difference. Again, A 13 POINT LEAD IS A 13 POINT LEAD. WITH 5 MINUTES LEFT IN THE GAME.

agreed. at that point in the game(regardless of what transpired throughout the game) you are expected to at least hold down the bloody fort and get the heck out of Dodge with a W. What I want to see is a vengeful, bloodthirsty team Sunday in San Fran. I hope this ends being a loss thjat lets us focus for the rest of the year

[Rack Bauer]

They did not do a good job at stopping our passing attack, but Parcells didn't want that. He is stubbourn, and when he puts in a game plan, he doesn't change it.


That gameplan gave us a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to go. It would be STUPID to change the gameplan at that point, don't you think?

Would you be happy right now if we were up 28-15 with 5 minutes to go and lost 29-28?



I thought Washington was going to blitz more, but they didn't.


They did blitz some at first, but we kept picking it up. They weren't coming close to Bledsoe and the blitzing was leaving their DBs in 1 on 1 coverage. They stopped blitzing cuz our passing game was killing them cuz they couldn't get to Bledsoe with the Blitz. ONce they played off we were forced to throw underneath more. Did you see how many times Bledsoe was looking downfield, only to have to dump it off to the short routes? That's cuz they started playing coverage.

[smashmouth]

agreed. at that point in the game(regardless of what transpired throughout the game) you are expected to at least hold down the bloody fort and get the heck out of Dodge with a W. What I want to see is a vengeful, bloodthirsty team Sunday in San Fran. I hope this ends being a loss thjat lets us focus for the rest of the yearMy point is, you cannot depend on anything in this league. You have to dictate the game, you can't be dictated.

We needed insurance, and insurance was to not let Washington think they had a chance.
I'm thinking, if I'm only down by 14 points, I may be able to do something here. But if I'm down by 17 points, or 20 points, I may as well cash in my chips.

[Rack Bauer]

My point is, you cannot depend on anything in this league. You have to dictate the game, you can't be dictated.


Tell that to our Defense who laid down and let the Redskins DICtate it up their anuses.

Tell that to Zimmer for not blitzing everything PLUS the kitchen Sink at Brunell after we gave up the first TD.

[crazytown41]

I don't know how you can blame the defense but not the offense.

We had the ball at their 48. All we need is 20 yards and game over.

But Payton's calling little 5 yd routes.
Then on 2nd down we're rushing a play, for what??

We've got 2 minutes!!

[smashmouth]

It's called taking chances. People talk about the interceptions and fumbles cost teams games.

Well guess what? We had no turnovers and lost. So if you told me we were going to lose and have 1 sack and no turnovers, and they would have 5 sacks and 2 turnovers, then I would have suggested that we go down field all game. If we get it intercepted, so what.. Washington got intercepted and Won!

[smashmouth]

I'm so sick and tired of playing p***y football on offense. The reason we won last week, was because we dictated the game on offense.

We put fear into their defense and doubt. People think that defense are the only ones supposed to be aggressive. They think that running alone or throwing alone wins games.

If you can't run the ball, then throw the sh** out of it. If you can't throw, then run til you puke.

[Rack Bauer]

Well guess what? We had no turnovers and lost.


Exactly. Cuz our Defense BLEW IT.



The reason we won last week, was because we dictated the game on offense.

We were able to do that cuz the Chargers secondar SUCKS. We played a better defense (by far) today and the game plan was working till the Defense blew it.

[smashmouth]

Exactly. Cuz our Defense BLEW IT.





We were able to do that cuz the Chargers secondar SUCKS. We played a better defense (by far) today and the game plan was working till the Defense blew it.So you're satisfied with what we're doing offensively then?

[Rack Bauer]

So you're satisfied with what we're doing offensively then?


We scored 28 against an average defense and 13 (with a missed FG) against a good defense. Yeah, Im' happy with our offense.


Are you happy with our D giving up a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to go?

You never answered my other question so I'll ask it again...

Would you be happy if we had a 28-15 lead with 5 minutes to go but lost 29-28?

When it comes down to 5 minutes remaining, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY POINTS YOU'VE SCORED, ALL THAT MATTERS IS HOW MANY POINTS YOU'RE WINNING BY.

We had a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to go. We lost. And don't say our D was tired cuz we held a 4 minute advantage in Time of Possession.

[AdamJT13]

Allowing 14 points is enough to win most games. But so is handing your defense a 13-point lead with less than six minutes remaining.

[smashmouth]

We scored 28 against an average defense and 13 (with a missed FG) against a good defense. Yeah, Im' happy with our offense.


Are you happy with our D giving up a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to go?

You never answered my other question so I'll ask it again...

Would you be happy if we had a 28-15 lead with 5 minutes to go but lost 29-28?

When it comes down to 5 minutes remaining, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY POINTS YOU'VE SCORED, ALL THAT MATTERS IS HOW MANY POINTS YOU'RE WINNING BY.

We had a 13 point lead with 5 minutes to go. We lost. And don't say our D was tired cuz we held a 4 minute advantage in Time of Possession.
My answer is no I would not be happy if we gave up 13 points, because our offense did enough to win.

Our offense put up 28 points, and that should be enough to win any game.
This game was not lost in the last 5 minutes of the game, this game was lost IMO in the first quarter.

All game, Gibbs had a chacne to see where the weakness was in our defense and found it. It was Glenn playing the outside receiver on nickel and dime downs.

He tried attacking us deep several times during the game, but lost when he tried to throw on Henrys side, and he lost when he tried to throw on Newmans side.

But he found out that he could attack Glenn deep, and it took him all game to figure it out. Meanwhile; We were jacking around, a$$ing around with Washington in the 1st quarter, and before you knew it, we barely put up 13 points on them. We had freaking 3 points at half, what does that tell you?

I do blame Parcells for allowing Glenn to play the outside receiver on a prevent 2 deep zone, but I also blame Parcells for letting Sean call weak a$$ passing plays, when we had receivers opened (Witten all day long)

[DMX690]

My answer is no I would not be happy if we gave up 13 points, because our offense did enough to win.

Our offense put up 28 points, and that should be enough to win any game.
This game was not lost in the last 5 minutes of the game, this game was lost IMO in the first quarter.

All game, Gibbs had a chacne to see where the weakness was in our defense and found it. It was Glenn playing the outside receiver on nickel and dime downs.

He tried attacking us deep several times during the game, but lost when he tried to throw on Henrys side, and he lost when he tried to throw on Newmans side.

But he found out that he could attack Glenn deep, and it took him all game to figure it out. Meanwhile; We were jacking around, a$$ing around with Washington in the 1st quarter, and before you knew it, we barely put up 13 points on them. We had freaking 3 points at half, what does that tell you?

I do blame Parcells for allowing Glenn to play the outside receiver on a prevent 2 deep zone, but I also blame Parcells for letting Sean call weak a$$ passing plays, when we had receivers opened (Witten all day long)

How do know receivers were opened all game man? Are you watching the game from the press box or something?

[smashmouth]

How do know receivers were opened all game man? Are you watching the game from the press box or something?When they showed the replay on several plays in the 1st and second quarter, I saw Witten wide opened, but Drew was so in a hurry to get the ball out of his hands.

[Rack Bauer]

When they showed the replay on several plays in the 1st and second quarter, I saw Witten wide opened, but Drew was so in a hurry to get the ball out of his hands.
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Load of crap.


This game was not lost in the last 5 minutes of the game, this game was lost IMO in the first quarter.

Bigger load of crap.


Do you haul maneur (sp?) for a living?

[smashmouth]

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Load of crap.




Bigger load of crap.


Do you haul maneur (sp?) for a living?No, I coach. So you have no clue what strategy is, I do.

And I have enough sense to know that when you have an offensive that is giving you time in the 1st and 2nd quarter, and you fling up 3 measly points, you are a soft team that will maybe be .500 .

[Rack Bauer]

No, I coach. So you have no clue what strategy is, I do.


You're a sorry a** coach. And just cuz you coach, doesn't mean you know more about strategy. Hell, Dave Campo coaches... I bet even YOU know more about strategy then he does.


By the way, I coach too. So take your theory and ... you know what to do with it.


And I have enough sense to know that when you have an offensive that is giving you time in the 1st and 2nd quarter, and you fling up 3 measly points, you are a soft team that will maybe be .500 .


Hey, I agree that in the LONG RUN, offensive play like that will not help your team. But if you're a coach then you should know that a team should win games when they're up by 13 with 4 minutes to play and have the opposing offense in 4th and 15. Our Offense didn't allow a TD on 4th and 15, did it? Our offense didn't allow another TD on the SAME PLAY a couple of minutes later, did it? At that point in the game, it's on the D. Period, "Coach". :rolleyes:

[PacoReloaded]

... but if we score another touchdown in the game somewhere, we win.
If we scored another FG we win too.

[Rack Bauer]

If we scored another FG we win too.



Cortez missed a relatively easy (By NFL standards) 41 yard kick. That I actually thought was good. Even when they showed the replay it looked good.

[smashmouth]

You're a sorry a** coach. And just cuz you coach, doesn't mean you know more about strategy. Hell, Dave Campo coaches... I bet even YOU know more about strategy then he does.


By the way, I coach too. So take your theory and ... you know what to do with it.





Hey, I agree that in the LONG RUN, offensive play like that will not help your team. But if you're a coach then you should know that a team should win games when they're up by 13 with 4 minutes to play and have the opposing offense in 4th and 15. Our Offense didn't allow a TD on 4th and 15, did it? Our offense didn't allow another TD on the SAME PLAY a couple of minutes later, did it? At that point in the game, it's on the D. Period, "Coach". :rolleyes:You must think you're god since you've been around this post a long time, no! Come from behind your desk and say that to me.

You and a lot of people like to talk big from behind a computer, but I'm sure we'll meet at a cowboy game one day, and we'll see.

I never insulted you, you insulted me. And if you coach, you must be coaching a pee wee flag football girls team, because what I saw in the 1st quarter was pathetic.

Yes we gave up 14 points, but it should never come to that. You should squash a team when you have a chance too. It took Gibbs a while to figure it out, and when he did, it didn't take much to catch up , because we simply didn't go far from them.

And with your philosophy, we will be below .500 this year, Bet!

[Rack Bauer]

Come from behind your desk and say that to me.

You and a lot of people like to talk big from behind a computer, but I'm sure we'll meet at a cowboy game one day, and we'll see.


Anytime, anywhere.

I'll be at the Cowboys/Chiefs game on December 11th. You want to meet up there I'll be more then happy to oblige, but I will be taking pics of you afterwards.

And FYI, I coach and play semi-pro football, and in the last 2 years we've lost ONE regular season game. Again, just FYI.

[smashmouth]

Anytime, anywhere.

I'll be at the Cowboys/Chiefs game on December 11th. You want to meet up there I'll be more then happy to oblige, but I will be taking pics of you afterwards.

And FYI, I coach and play semi-pro football, and in the last 2 years we've lost ONE regular season game. Again, just FYI.We don't have to wait until then, you can just give me your number and address, and I can go where ever you're at and we can settle this thing.

And I played semi pro, and it's not very organized, and their's a reason they call it semi-pro.

And Campo coached the Cowboys..So what!! You're not very smart at strategy. Especially thinking that on a 4th down play, you're going to cover the deepest WR, when you have other assignments (WR) to worry about. You're the dumb$$$