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RCowboyFan
09-20-2005, 11:24 AM
I think at least 2 TDs or wide open Keyshaun couple times from what I saw. Anyone else who as at stadium see that too? I know people around me commented on that or at least my buddy commented on that too.

I see a lot of Bledsoe played well posts. While agree he didn't play bad at all or rather played well enough for a win, Bledsoe is absolutely sucks at short throws or rather most screen throws or swing passes. I was constantly commenting at the game about that. Its seems like the WR/RB have to twist/turn or bend down to pick up his swing passes or short on the LOS passes, giving them very little chances most of the time to make any good plays out of them.

From what I could see, it does seems like, just as BP said, Bledsoe is following script of Low to High. I.e. dump or throw to open reciever close vs looking downfield. Couple of times I saw Keyshuan wide open deep, was when Bledsoe just dumped short even when he had plenty of time.

Anyway I left at around just before last field goal, thinking game was in control as I had getup at 5 AM. I am glad I did that in retrospect. I probably did a good thing and also a good thing I dont have dog or two kick around. And good thing my wife understands when not to bother me :D

CaptainAmerica
09-20-2005, 11:28 AM
Yes, I said in an earlier post that without seeing the whole field, which we don't see on TV, we really don't know how Bledsoe played last night.

The plays a QB DOES NOT MAKE are just as crucial as the mistakes he might make, like INTs, fumbles, etc. That is what makes Brady the QB he is. He sees the field and makes the plays that are available to him. I don't believe Bledsoe is good at that on a consistent basis.

JonJon
09-20-2005, 11:29 AM
His arm looked terrible when we needed to mount a comeback in the 4th. Maybe he was just tired...at least that is how he looked on TV. How did his arm look to you from the game?

TheHustler
09-20-2005, 11:30 AM
The only play that I think he should have made was to Key in the 4th. Key was wide open by any standard and Bledsoe one hopped it to him. Too bad this isn't baseball.....

Other than that, Bledsoe played pretty well.

Reality
09-20-2005, 11:31 AM
I don't fault Bledsoe for last night's loss, but he did miss a wide open Jason Witten down the middle on that fourth down play he threw to Glenn short of the first down marker.

RCowboyFan
09-20-2005, 11:35 AM
Yes, I said in an earlier post that without seeing the whole field, which we don't see on TV, we really don't know how Bledsoe played last night.

The plays a QB DOES NOT MAKE are just as crucial as the mistakes he might make, like INTs, fumbles, etc. That is what makes Brady the QB he is. He sees the field and makes the plays that are available to him. I don't believe Bledsoe is good at that on a consistent basis.

Excellent point, that was going to make too. Thanks for making that point. Now it might be that Bledsoe still is not comfortable yet with Playbook etc. But thats what crossed my mind. I.e. Bledsoe is not seeing the field well right now.

Hopefully that changes.

Portland Fanatic
09-20-2005, 11:38 AM
To those that were there....was the play calling as conservative as it appeard to be on TV, or did Bledsoe simply not push the ball of fear of turning the ball over?

I ask because I was going nuts wanting to throw the ball more to open the run...we kept forcing the run...as though 10 was enough to win...

Was it Payton or Bledsoe not making the throws?

Zman5
09-20-2005, 11:39 AM
I don't fault Bledsoe for last night's loss, but he did miss a wide open Jason Witten down the middle on that fourth down play he threw to Glenn short of the first down marker.


I saw that too but after rewatching it he did have a DE to his right side comming at him.

The DE was blocked but I bet the DE bothered him enough to have Drew hurry his throw.

CaptainAmerica
09-20-2005, 11:43 AM
To those that were there....was the play calling as conservative as it appeard to be on TV, or did Bledsoe simply not push the ball of fear of turning the ball over?

I ask because I was going nuts wanting to throw the ball more to open the run...we kept forcing the run...as though 10 was enough to win...

Was it Payton or Bledsoe not making the throws?

I know what you mean. It's like the game plan was to attack the sidelines all night and we simply would not on a consistent basis challenge the Skins down the middle of the defense and down the field. VERY frustrating to watch!!

RCowboyFan
09-20-2005, 11:46 AM
His arm looked terrible when we needed to mount a comeback in the 4th. Maybe he was just tired...at least that is how he looked on TV. How did his arm look to you from the game?

Well I left around 10 Mins left in 4th quarter. But from what I saw, I don't see arm strength as an issue , but indicision maybe to do with some of his short arms. But from what I observed, seems like Bledsoe doesn't like the swing passes etc. since he sucks at it or maybe he just doesn't put effort into trying to make those throws well.

I dont know what the reason is.

RCowboyFan
09-20-2005, 11:50 AM
To those that were there....was the play calling as conservative as it appeard to be on TV, or did Bledsoe simply not push the ball of fear of turning the ball over?

I ask because I was going nuts wanting to throw the ball more to open the run...we kept forcing the run...as though 10 was enough to win...

Was it Payton or Bledsoe not making the throws?

I personally think probably a combo there. LIke I said I thought Bledsoe missed at least one or two easy TDs.

Even Jerry was commenting on how we should have had 24-30 Points today during his Jerry Jones show on Ticket morning show. And from what I saw, I agree with him. Maybe the tape shows differently and on TV, it shows differently.

But I got to see, you do see more at Stadium than on TV, if you pay attention at stadium. Which is kind of hard to do, since you are yelling, drinking and eating etc. Boy my voice was hoarse after last night though.

Kangaroo
09-20-2005, 12:12 PM
His arm looked terrible when we needed to mount a comeback in the 4th. Maybe he was just tired...at least that is how he looked on TV. How did his arm look to you from the game?

jdubk I think part of it has to do with something I already posted about at time Bledoes backpeddles and slings the ball before planting his feet so he slings the ball of his back foot he did this off and on quite a bit last night. This most likely caused him to short hop those two passes to the wide open wr

Native Born Fan
09-20-2005, 12:26 PM
I think at least 2 TDs or wide open Keyshaun couple times from what I saw. Anyone else who as at stadium see that too? I know people around me commented on that or at least my buddy commented on that too.

I see a lot of Bledsoe played well posts. While agree he didn't play bad at all or rather played well enough for a win, Bledsoe is absolutely sucks at short throws or rather most screen throws or swing passes. I was constantly commenting at the game about that. Its seems like the WR/RB have to twist/turn or bend down to pick up his swing passes or short on the LOS passes, giving them very little chances most of the time to make any good plays out of them.

From what I could see, it does seems like, just as BP said, Bledsoe is following script of Low to High. I.e. dump or throw to open reciever close vs looking downfield. Couple of times I saw Keyshuan wide open deep, was when Bledsoe just dumped short even when he had plenty of time.

Anyway I left at around just before last field goal, thinking game was in control as I had getup at 5 AM. I am glad I did that in retrospect. I probably did a good thing and also a good thing I dont have dog or two kick around. And good thing my wife understands when not to bother me :D
Yes! I was there and Bled-cooze missed a lot of open recievers all night. Is he a panicky 12 year veteran? Oy Vey!

Dogstar
09-20-2005, 12:30 PM
I blame Key for and witten for not making it to the first down marker on their routes. HELLO! Got to make the ten, dudes!

Dogstar
09-20-2005, 12:39 PM
If this is true, Parcells and Co. will see the game films and start to take advantage of any open guys. I think Parcells is being pretty conservative, but solid in the play selection pre-game. They were way too conservative going into the 4th qtr. They let up and should have gone for the jugular, IMO.

The D never should have gievn Moss a second chance at going long. Should have disrupted his route.

Tricked
09-20-2005, 12:49 PM
ok, has anyone taken the weather into effect? bledsoe goes from buffalo to dallas, where it was roughly 100 degrees on the field... and i don't know how many of you guys have actually been to dallas but just imagine 100 degrees with 90 percent humidity, i just don't think he's used to it yet

RCowboyFan
09-20-2005, 01:09 PM
ok, has anyone taken the weather into effect? bledsoe goes from buffalo to dallas, where it was roughly 100 degrees on the field... and i don't know how many of you guys have actually been to dallas but just imagine 100 degrees with 90 percent humidity, i just don't think he's used to it yet


Ok, Dallas is never that humid first of all. But yesterday, it was humid than normal. Probably around like 55% or so, which is above normal if so. This is not Houston.

Dallas is not dry like Arizona nor humid like Houston or any of the Sea Area cities with high Humidity.

Besides that excuse doesn't fly, as it was really Washington that was being beaten to pulp till last 5 mins.

Tricked
09-20-2005, 01:39 PM
Ok, Dallas is never that humid first of all. But yesterday, it was humid than normal. Probably around like 55% or so, which is above normal if so. This is not Houston.

Dallas is not dry like Arizona nor humid like Houston or any of the Sea Area cities with high Humidity.

Besides that excuse doesn't fly, as it was really Washington that was being beaten to pulp till last 5 mins.
i think i know what i'm talking about, i only had to walk to work in it every day :rolleyes: yes it does get that humid there, when i'd walk outside it would look like it rained from all the moisture on cars ;)

RCowboyFan
09-20-2005, 03:02 PM
i think i know what i'm talking about, i only had to walk to work in it every day :rolleyes: yes it does get that humid there, when i'd walk outside it would look like it rained from all the moisture on cars ;)


Ok, so, guys who are currently living here don't know what they are talking about then :rolleyes:

I guess I must be somehow missing all the moisture on my car everyday.

Tricked
09-20-2005, 03:16 PM
all i'm saying is the humidity probably got the better of bledsoe, when i first moved to dallas from california it was horrible, and since i've moved from the metroplex to montana, i've noticed the difference.. dallas would be the best place to live if it wasn't for the humidity

btcutter
09-20-2005, 03:22 PM
I don't fault Bledsoe for last night's loss, but he did miss a wide open Jason Witten down the middle on that fourth down play he threw to Glenn short of the first down marker.


Really? I don't recall Witten was open. Glen dragged in behind Witten. Witten was used as a decoy to clear the middle but the D was on to the scheme and also they applied good pressure on Bledsoe on that play. Bledsoe really had to get rid of the ball.

RCowboyFan
09-20-2005, 03:43 PM
Really? I don't recall Witten was open. Glen dragged in behind Witten. Witten was used as a decoy to clear the middle but the D was on to the scheme and also they applied good pressure on Bledsoe on that play. Bledsoe really had to get rid of the ball.


I didn't see that play because I was driving home ( arggh!!) but Jason Witten was on 103.3 and Jen asked him if he was angry after that play as she say him talking animately or angrily on sidelines after that play.

Jason said he beat his guy, LB and was open. He didn't say anything about if he was angry or not etc.

btcutter
09-20-2005, 04:01 PM
I didn't see that play because I was driving home ( arggh!!) but Jason Witten was on 103.3 and Jen asked him if he was angry after that play as she say him talking animately or angrily on sidelines after that play.

Jason said he beat his guy, LB and was open. He didn't say anything about if he was angry or not etc.


They are ALWAYS open. I saw the play and replay. He wasn't. Skin had a open lane to Bledsoe.

RCowboyFan
09-20-2005, 04:23 PM
They are ALWAYS open. I saw the play and replay. He wasn't. Skin had a open lane to Bledsoe.

Well, the read was Glenn if there was blitz apparently. What Witten said was that he didn't see the tape yet, but if there was a blitz on, then Terry Glenn was the right read, if not he was.

If you are saying there was a blitz on, i.e. from you comment about Skin had a open lane to bledsoe.

But I did see Bledsoe miss wide open Keyshaun couple of times at least in the game. It wasn't even close open, just plain wide open and he didn't even look at him, when he had time too.

Doomsday101
09-20-2005, 04:26 PM
Well, the read was Glenn if there was blitz apparently. What Witten said was that he didn't see the tape yet, but if there was a blitz on, then Terry Glenn was the right read, if not he was.

If you are saying there was a blitz on, i.e. from you comment about Skin had a open lane to bledsoe.

But I did see Bledsoe miss wide open Keyshaun couple of times at least in the game. It wasn't even close open, just plain wide open and he didn't even look at him, when he had time too.

On that play to Glenn the blitz was on and it was easy to see a defender coming around the corner right at Bledsoe before he released the pass. I also saw Witten man trip on that play but Bledsoe was already throwing the ball as that happened. I do agree Bledsoe misssed some passes, he did not miss many of them but he did miss a few.

Native Born Fan
09-20-2005, 05:20 PM
I was there in the stands about ten rows down from Irvin, Emmit, and Aikman's names and i sweat ALL GAME! Just dripping. I cannot imagine what it was like for those players.

Kilyin
09-20-2005, 06:31 PM
I was there, here's my take. Bledsoe kept trying to throw screens that went absolutely nowhere. Then he'd do it again, and again. I was pretty livid. Many times on those screen plays, Keyshawn was WIDE OPEN.

It's almost as if Bledsoe was ordered to not throw the deep ball and fall back on the screen (which we haven't been able to run effectively since Emmitt retired). I mean, the first couple times was understandable, you want to see if the possibility of using the screen is there and maybe open up the deep ball. But after about the sixth or seventh screen, you have to wonder what in the hell the playcallers are thinking.

Tripod
09-20-2005, 06:57 PM
I was there, here's my take. Bledsoe kept trying to throw screens that went absolutely nowhere. Then he'd do it again, and again. I was pretty livid. Many times on those screen plays, Keyshawn was WIDE OPEN.

It's almost as if Bledsoe was ordered to not throw the deep ball and fall back on the screen (which we haven't been able to run effectively since Emmitt retired). I mean, the first couple times was understandable, you want to see if the possibility of using the screen is there and maybe open up the deep ball. But after about the sixth or seventh screen, you have to wonder what in the hell the playcallers are thinking.

There were not 7 screens last night. He did not throw them again and again.
One does not usually choose to go to a screen. Since the idea is to draw in the D the line performs an orchestrated fake. Bledsoe doesn't "keep trying" to run a screen. I think perhaps you may be confused as to what a screen is.
Maybe you're thinking of a class of short passes called "dump offs" or passes "underneath"

If Keyshawn was "wide open" many times on the screens it wouldn't matter because screens are primary plays. They are run like run plays, rarely does a QB get to exercise a choice.

But keep trying though, there's got to be a way you can pin this loss on Bledsoe.

Kilyin
09-20-2005, 07:06 PM
There were not 7 screens last night. He did not throw them again and again.
One does not usually choose to go to a screen. Since the idea is to draw in the D the line performs an orchestrated fake. Bledsoe doesn't "keep trying" to run a screen. I think perhaps you may be confused as to what a screen is.
Maybe you're thinking of a class of short passes called "dump offs" or passes "underneath"

If Keyshawn was "wide open" many times on the screens it wouldn't matter because screens are primary plays. They are run like run plays, rarely does a QB get to exercise a choice.

But keep trying though, there's got to be a way you can pin this loss on Bledsoe.

Dude, shut up and get a clue. This post was a little more vulgar but you aren't worth it, because you're just some know it all who wants to start some static on a message board with someone you don't know.

I know what a screen is and I understand the game of football. I'll concede I shouldn't have labeled all the dump offs and 2 yard dink passes as screens, but this team should never call a screen play, period. It's glaringly obvious that the Cowboys don't know how to execute a screen.

There were opportunities for the team downfield, and for whatever reason they were not taken advantage of. Let's just say the playcalling was entirely too conservative on offense, and nobody is blaming Bledsoe (unless you're stupid enough to think he calls the plays, and maybe you are)