9/21 PC Thread

[Richmond Cowboy]

Has it started yet? A recap would be most appreciated.

[jlust22]

Fowler is the only player being listed on the injury report. He is questionable with a calf strain. Parcells told the team they will be not be judged on 1 loss and to make sure they don't dwell on it. The team is staying in the Bay Area between games because it will help the staff tremendously with preparation time.

As for the Washington game, Parcells said there are always things you would do differently when looking back at a game. One in particular would be staying with their regular offense after Julius's 6 yard run down 14-13 and 2 minutes to go. They probably pushed the envelope too much there. He said Payton calls the plays, but I approve them. Payton will continue to call the plays.

The team was in position to win the game. If they made any one of seven plays in that game, they win. He wants the team to continue to play mistake free. He doesn't want to give away games like they did last year. Teams that are +1 in the TO margin have won 18 of 22 games so far this year. Parcells said if they continue to come out on top in TO margin, then they will win games. He really doesn't want to talk much more about the Washington game, would rather look ahead to SF. The players have moved on from the Washington game and are practicing for SF.

The reason he played Thomspon in the game against Washington is because he wants to get him involved in the mix. There will be no change at K at this time. They are continuing to look at the K on their practice squad. The snapper had a couple of poor snaps against Washington, but he is a good snapper and is finding his way.

He thought for the majority of the game, they did things better against Washington than against SD. The pass protection was excellent. Bledsoe wasn't even touched and that is impressive against a pressure team like Washington.

The two holding penalties were killers. The holding call on Flozell was not his fault. He anticipated something else happening and someone else didn't do their job. Parcells intimated that it was a 2nd year player, but he doesn't throw players under the bus. The Glover penalty was a legit call.

Pile played some at FS against Washington and will play more in the future. Same goes for Fujita and maybe Burnett as well. Ware is thinking too much right now and is not comfortable. He didn't really get better from week 1 to week 2. He is not sure what they will do at FB for this week. He wanted to see how it would work having 5 WR's active, but he doesn't really like going into a game without a FB. The KO coverage was much better this week.

The deep balls were not really Roy's plays. Parcells said he told the media after the game who was more responsible (believe he said A. Glenn). They are working N. Jones at S.

He said it's too early to panic after 1 bad loss. If they play well from here, everyone will forget about the Washington game. If they don't play well, people will point to that game for the reason they are struggling even if that game has nothing to do with it. He thinks the Fat Cat syndrome is worse than rebounding from a tough loss. The first two games both came down to the last minute. They won 1 and lost 1 and if the games continue to come down to the wire, then that is probably what will happen. They have to work to make sure that it doesn't always come down to the end.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Thanks for the update.

[Richmond Cowboy]

thank you!

[stiletto]

He said it's too early to panic after 1 bad loss. If they play well from here, everyone will forget about the Washington game. If they don't play well, people will point to that game for the reason they are struggling even if that game has nothing to do with it. He thinks the Fat Cat syndrome is worse than rebounding from a tough loss. The first two games both came down to the last minute. They won 1 and lost 1 and if the games continue to come down to the wire, then that is probably what will happen. They have to work to make sure that it doesn't always come down to the end.

You think throwing the ball on 3rd down and long instead of running to improve the field goal positioning might be the way to go?? What a dumby...

[starfrombirth]

Thanks for the recap... and be good to each other :)

[Chocolate Lab]

The holding call on Flozell was not his fault. He anticipated something else happening and someone else didn't do their job. Parcells intimated that it was a 2nd year player, but he doesn't throw players under the bus. I heard that, too. I don't remember the back in the game, but it had to be Julius who screwed up.

[Rezz]

You think throwing the ball on 3rd down and long instead of running to improve the field goal positioning might be the way to go?? What a dumby...

Ahh, the irony is delicious...have a big cup of it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The comments on Roy are interesting. I can only imagine that Glenn should have been up in press coverage and he wasn't. Interesting indeed. Still, it's Roys assignment. I think BP is trying to shield him just a bit but I think he would be better off just saying the defense blew the coverage and leave it at that.

[dallasblue05]

Sounds like BP still has his positive opinion about this team, as do I. I agree that there is no call for panic. It was nice to hear BP acknowledge that Roy didnt lose the game for us, and nice to hear him take responsibility for the play call, that will help Payton ot get discouraged, thats the last thing we need.

[chicago JK]

So the team is staying out in San Fran for a week? Has that ever been done before? Where are they practicing for the week?

[JohnsKey19]

The first two games both came down to the last minute. They won 1 and lost 1 and if the games continue to come down to the wire, then that is probably what will happen. They have to work to make sure that it doesn't always come down to the end.


Thats the way i've been looking at it. It doesn't matter if we dominated for 56 minutes, only to completely unravel in the next 2-3 minutes and lose the lead. This is a 60 minute game. Somehow someway we found ourselves in a 1 score game with 2-3 minutes remaining on clock. Just like the SD game, it could have gone either way with a play here or a play there being made. We could easily be 0-2 right now. So winding up 1-1 aint so bad.

[Dave_in-NC]

Its crazy not to be positive about this team. I dont think any one expected a smooth road but Mondays loss in a matter of minutes was insane. I give our offense credit, they were up against a very good defense.
I think the way we lost has people nervous and for good reason.

[Thick 'N Hearty]

So the team is staying out in San Fran for a week? Has that ever been done before? Where are they practicing for the week?

I don't think they've had back-to-back games in the bay. Not sure where they would practice, but Oxnard is probably a possibility.

[CaptainAmerica]

So the team is staying out in San Fran for a week? Has that ever been done before? Where are they practicing for the week?

Matt Mosley asked this question...If we were playing the Eagles and Giants on back to back weeks on the road would we stay on the East Coast?

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, except the 2 hour time difference in PST and CST, which could make a difference flying back into CST and losing 2 hours.

[Duane]

:bow: :bow: :bow:



Thanks Jlust22.

[Sportsbabe]

I think BP is trying to shield him just a bit but I think he would be better off just saying the defense blew the coverage and leave it at that.

Good point ... I ain't mad at him for doing so.

[Kittymama]

FYI -- They had been talking about the back to back SFO & Oakland games since the schedule came out. Even back then, the Mickster was reporting that the team would probably just stay there rather than have to travel two weeks in a row. I think they had the details finalized by TC--seem to recall Mickey (or someone) reporting it back then. They apparently had briefly talked to the Raiders about sharing their facilities, then decided against it cause you know Parcells & his thing about potential spies! I think they're going to use some university facility.

[chicago JK]

Matt Mosley asked this question...If we were playing the Eagles and Giants on back to back weeks on the road would we stay on the East Coast?

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, except the 2 hour time difference in PST and CST, which could make a difference flying back into CST and losing 2 hours.

Sounds like a business trip type feel to it. All I have to say is the Cowboys better hope they win at San Fran. Being with Bill on the road for a week after losing a game doesn't sound too appealing.

[AbeBeta]

Matt Mosley asked this question...If we were playing the Eagles and Giants on back to back weeks on the road would we stay on the East Coast?

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, except the 2 hour time difference in PST and CST, which could make a difference flying back into CST and losing 2 hours.

I think BP is worried about the staff's amount of prep time. You lose time like you mentioned but also on the east you'd more likely play in the early game so that's another 4 hours. BP wants to work with the staff Sunday night and he can't do that if they get back at midnight.

Besides, the bay area kick butt over Dallas any day.

[jlust22]

I believe they are going to be practicing in San Jose. I think San Jose State University. Bill mentioned that the days will be longer since they will have to take a bus to practice everyday. I don't know if they will be staying at the same hotel in SF for the whole time out there or not. Clarence Hill was asking Parcells at the PC today if this trip would be good for bonding especially for the young players. Bill said he doesn't think about things like bonding and told Clarence that he has been watching too many of those afternoon TV shows.

[Hiero]

i agree that it wasnt roy's fault, the blame has to fall on the coaching staff or Glenn who did absolutely nothing but watch Moss run past him.

[LaTunaNostra]

jlust22...nice job that was much appreciated!

[Sarge]

They have to work to make sure that it doesn't always come down to the end.

That's on the playcalling - not the players, necessarily.

[Mr Cowboy]

Regarding the long passes and Roy. If you look at the replay, Moss is Glenn's man all the way, but he starts drifting away from the receiver towrads the sideline, instead of running with the reciever. Roy was deep between the slot and wide receivers and had to make a choice of who to cover. On the first TD he was going after the slot guy, then broke away from him to Moss and was late. Gleen on the other hand was no where neat HIS receiver.

Yeha Roy was responsible for the deep pass, but Glenn has to play close to his receiver. I don't understand why hhe started drifting away from the reciever.

[AbeBeta]

That's on the playcalling - not the players, necessarily.

Not entirely -- you've got to have players executing correctly. Lot's of great calls are blown by players screwing up.

[Dough Boy]

Regarding the long passes and Roy. If you look at the replay, Moss is Glenn's man all the way, but he starts drifting away from the receiver towrads the sideline, instead of running with the reciever. Roy was deep between the slot and wide receivers and had to make a choice of who to cover. On the first TD he was going after the slot guy, then broke away from him to Moss and was late. Gleen on the other hand was no where neat HIS receiver.

Yeha Roy was responsible for the deep pass, but Glenn has to play close to his receiver. I don't understand why hhe started drifting away from the reciever.

Great point MR. For those fans that live in the DC area, pick up a copy of today’s Washington Post - yes they are still writing about the win. These two plays will go down in Deadskin history forever. They have detailed out both plays in diagram form to show exactly how Moss got open. The diagram is complete with X's and O's as will as doted lines to show each persons path.

For those that don't live in the District, I will do my best to walk you through what is written. Its actually a fairly accurate doc.

1st TD -

Its a great route decision. #47 is lined up in the slot. He runs a short post or slant, which keeps Roy from immediately getting a deep drop. If Roys drops to fast, they will hit #47 with a 15 yd post. Moss is uncovered at the line of scrimmage. The post opines with the following, "Dallas's defense sagged, with CB Aaron Glenn allowing Moss a 10-yard cushion after shutting down Washington in tighter man coverage most of the game. We got the coverage we wanted in the right situation, "Brunell states". So we were very fortunate." Moss ran a post pattern, pivoted inside and out, gaining inside position on Glenn while safety Roy Williams turned the wrong way.

2nd TD
Again, no one is re-routing Moss. No one is in front of the diminutive WR. On this play, Glenn for some reason drifts toward the sideline. Moss is running a fly route. Its a go route and he is not re-routed. With Glenn drifting toward the sideline, Brunell has an easy throw to Moss. Roy was not threatened by anyone on that play. There was no slot receiver to occupy his attention. Moss has too much speed to not be re-routed. Again, with no other WR treating Glenn deep, I do not understand why he drifted toward the sideline.

I think Glenn and Roy need to get on the same page. Both are culpable in my mind. Roy clearly reacted late on the 1st play. With the down and distance and game situation and knowing Moss's speed, he should have made Brunell complete the pass to #47. Has nothing to do with speed. Has more to do with knowing the game. Knowing what the Offense in trying to accomplish. The 2nd TD. Glenn has to Cowboy up. Why did he drift to spot where no Offensive players threaten? Last and not least (the coaches), the reporter picks up on an interesting element. Why change D's. The man coverage was giving Moss fits. With his speed, you have to slow him down. You have to make him take false steps. We did it all night and it worked. Gibbs actually said in his Tuesday PC, that they were lucky to have that play called and to have that soft coverage, b/c of Moss's speed most people were surprised he had that burst that late in the game. Gibbs was actually surprised that Moss didn't cramp up, like he did the previous game against the Bears.

I hope this helps....

[Sportsbabe]

For those that don't live in the District, I will do my best to walk you through what is written.

Please don't.
(Just playing with ya.)

[JohnsKey19]

Both players clearly were at fault. It was a complete breakdown in coverage. Hey, it happens. You just have to wonder why we'd make such an oversight on the Skins' only real threat on the field. I could see if this was Patten or Jacobs, but not Moss. It's not like this same player didn't just burn you on the SAME play just 1-2 minutes earlier!

[MichaelWinicki]

Great point MR. For those fans that live in the DC area, pick up a copy of today’s Washington Post - yes they are still writing about the win. These two plays will go down in Deadskin history forever. They have detailed out both plays in diagram form to show exactly how Moss got open. The diagram is complete with X's and O's as will as doted lines to show each persons path.

For those that don't live in the District, I will do my best to walk you through what is written. Its actually a fairly accurate doc.

1st TD -

Its a great route decision. #47 is lined up in the slot. He runs a short post or slant, which keeps Roy from immediately getting a deep drop. If Roys drops to fast, they will hit #47 with a 15 yd post. Moss is uncovered at the line of scrimmage. The post opines with the following, "Dallas's defense sagged, with CB Aaron Glenn allowing Moss a 10-yard cushion after shutting down Washington in tighter man coverage most of the game. We got the coverage we wanted in the right situation, "Brunell states". So we were very fortunate." Moss ran a post pattern, pivoted inside and out, gaining inside position on Glenn while safety Roy Williams turned the wrong way.

2nd TD
Again, no one is re-routing Moss. No one is in front of the diminutive WR. On this play, Glenn for some reason drifts toward the sideline. Moss is running a fly route. Its a go route and he is not re-routed. With Glenn drifting toward the sideline, Brunell has an easy throw to Moss. Roy was not threatened by anyone on that play. There was no slot receiver to occupy his attention. Moss has too much speed to not be re-routed. Again, with no other WR treating Glenn deep, I do not understand why he drifted toward the sideline.

I think Glenn and Roy need to get on the same page. Both are culpable in my mind. Roy clearly reacted late on the 1st play. With the down and distance and game situation and knowing Moss's speed, he should have made Brunell complete the pass to #47. Has nothing to do with speed. Has more to do with knowing the game. Knowing what the Offense in trying to accomplish. The 2nd TD. Glenn has to Cowboy up. Why did he drift to spot where no Offensive players threaten? Last and not least (the coaches), the reporter picks up on an interesting element. Why change D's. The man coverage was giving Moss fits. With his speed, you have to slow him down. You have to make him take false steps. We did it all night and it worked. Gibbs actually said in his Tuesday PC, that they were lucky to have that play called and to have that soft coverage, b/c of Moss's speed most people were surprised he had that burst that late in the game. Gibbs was actually surprised that Moss didn't cramp up, like he did the previous game against the Bears.

I hope this helps....

Wonderful post.

Many on this board have wondered why the coaching staff didn't have Moss bumped on the line of scrimmage.

I hope we don't see that soft zone for a long, long time. We've had problems with zone coverage schemes for a long time.

[Cbz40]

nice job jlust22... that was very much appreciated.

[31WillHammerU]

The deep balls were not really Roy's plays. Parcells said he told the media after the game who was more responsible (believe he said A. Glenn). They are working N. Jones at S.


Do we need anymore diatribes on who does what in a cover 2?

[Mr Cowboy]

Do we need anymore diatribes on who does what in a cover 2?

No, but we don't need anymore Roy is over rated threads either.......we need to let this game go and move on to the forty whiners.

[AdamJT13]

Do we need anymore diatribes on who does what in a cover 2?

Apparently we do, since Parcells and the fans don't seem to agree on who is to blame, and since we seemed to be playing cover 4, not cover 2.

[dbair1967]

Regarding the long passes and Roy. If you look at the replay, Moss is Glenn's man all the way, but he starts drifting away from the receiver towrads the sideline, instead of running with the reciever. Roy was deep between the slot and wide receivers and had to make a choice of who to cover. On the first TD he was going after the slot guy, then broke away from him to Moss and was late. Gleen on the other hand was no where neat HIS receiver.

Yeha Roy was responsible for the deep pass, but Glenn has to play close to his receiver. I don't understand why hhe started drifting away from the reciever.

I just dont see why Newman or Henry werent on Moss..e pay them the big bucks to shutdown good WR's

David

[WilmingtonHeel]

Basically we got outschemed on that play. Roy said in an interview today it won't happen again even though teams will try it. Interesting comment about Ware but watching him play I already knew this was happening.

[Coakleys Dad]

thanks for postin