What is the future of Marcus Spears?

[baj1dallas]

I'm not going to be all giddy about him. But he seems to be pretty powerful and apparently is not struggling to play inside in the NFL, which is surprising to me. I never thought he was awful quick in college, but he was a pretty solid player. Could he be a starter at NT at some point? He seems as big and strong as Ferguson to me. Or is he a better value at end long term, since Ferguson will likely be around a while?

[Bryan8284]

I think he was projected as a swing man for us at DT/DE.

He has the size and power of a DT, but also had the ability to go outside for DE in the 3-4.

I think his ability to go in and out allows us to find other DE/DT and swap Spears to the other spot. Ratliff-Spears-Canty. Spears-Pepper-Canty

Young and has potential. Well, at least Canty and Spears do so far. Let's hope Pepper and Ratliff show some too.

[Nors]

Spears and Canty are going to be Stud 3-4 DE's. Great adds!

[burmafrd]

Spears is too tall to really play NT. We really need to get a young guy that we can work into that slot in the next year or so. Ratlif needs to develope more but I see him being a solid guy as well. Johnson- we shall see. We have more then enough on the D line now. Canty, Spears, Ratlif, Johnson- all with lots of talent.

[Hostile]

I'm not going to be all giddy about him. But he seems to be pretty powerful and apparently is not struggling to play inside in the NFL, which is surprising to me. I never thought he was awful quick in college, but he was a pretty solid player. Could he be a starter at NT at some point? He seems as big and strong as Ferguson to me. Or is he a better value at end long term, since Ferguson will likely be around a while?He's a bookend DE with Canty.

Unless of course my dreams come true and we draft Mathias Kiwanuka and move him to DT.

:grin:

[bbgun]

Hopefully, a future without knee braces.

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[rw54]

I like Spears alot. But does he seem a little slow off the ball? I think he would really shine if he didn't give the offense a head start.

[burmafrd]

I would love to find a 375 lb block of marble that we could put at NT. About 6-1. Quick feet with a mean streak the same size. Would eat up ANY center in the NFL one on one. Has to be doubled on every play. Ought to be able to find one like that somewhere.

[Nors]

All lineman in Dallas wear knee braces.

Saved Spears this season wearing one.

[fancow]

He's a bookend DE with Canty.

Unless of course my dreams come true and we draft Mathias Kiwanuka and move him to DT.

:grin:


Hostile, how do your Cardinals look????? :lmao:

[lane]

so bright.......... he got to wear shades.

[lane]

Hopefully, a future without knee braces.

http://www.123imagehost.com/uploads/235-619-55744315.jpg

if he can strap that chin strap just a wee bit better.

[fancow]

I like Spears alot. But does he seem a little slow off the ball? I think he would really shine if he didn't give the offense a head start.

Agree he is slow.....

[lane]

probably pre game intros.

[Asklesko]

I see a game with some people named... the 49ers.

[lane]

I see a game with some people named... the 49ers.

excellent

[fancow]

A game will be played

[Hostile]

Hostile, how do your Cardinals look????? :lmao:My Cardinals? You clearly have no idea how much I can't stand them.

[Dave_in-NC]

My Cardinals? You clearly have no idea how much I can't stand them.

Hey hes a Skins fan, is any thing clear?

[Hostile]

Hey hes a Skins fan, is any thing clear?Certainly not his skin.

[fancow]

My Cardinals? You clearly have no idea how much I can't stand them.

I saw you were from Arizona...thought you might like the home team....

Bandwagon jumper???

[Hostile]

I saw you were from Arizona...thought you might like the home team....

Bandwagon jumper???I got a friend here who is a Skins fan. He's never lived in DC, VA, MD, or WV.

You wanna ask him the same question? He'd school you.

Sort of like I will if you want to keep on this trail.

[Qwickdraw]

Agree he is slow.....
Is this another thread about Portis?

[The30YardSlant]

I saw you were from Arizona...thought you might like the home team....

Bandwagon jumper???

You have GOT to be kidding me....

Forget the fact that Hostile is the most active poster on the most active Cowboiys board on the web, just think about the fact you just claimed there is an Arizona Cardinals bandwagon

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Bizwah]

I saw you were from Arizona...thought you might like the home team....

Bandwagon jumper???

This is probably the stupidest thing that I hear on message boards.

I'm from Missouri. Am I a bandwagon jumper?

I've been a Cowboy fan my whole life......I went to my first game at Texas Stadium when I was eight years old. I've followed them since.

I guess (according to you) when we moved to Missouri, I should've begun rooting for the Rams (actually, it was the St. Louis Cardinals then). But that's the definition of a "Bandwagon" fan isn't it?

Moron.

[fancow]

You have GOT to be kidding me....

Forget the fact that Hostile is the most active poster on the most active Cowboiys board on the web, just think about the fact you just claimed there is an Arizona Cardinals bandwagon

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


LOL I guess I have been schooled.

No I mean he is in Arizona. How did he get to be a boys fan?

My blood bleeds burgundy. And it's not because I caught the bandwagon after a superbowl.

[fancow]

I got a friend here who is a Skins fan. He's never lived in DC, VA, MD, or WV.

You wanna ask him the same question? He'd school you.

Sort of like I will if you want to keep on this trail.

School me...

[Hostile]

LOL I guess I have been schooled.

No I mean he is in Arizona. How did he get to be a boys fan?

My blood bleeds burgundy. And it's not because I caught the bandwagon after a superbowl.I'm just curious, do you know where all I have lived in my life?

If not, know your role and shut your pie hole about who on this site might or might not be a bandwagon fan.

[fancow]

This is probably the stupidest thing that I hear on message boards.

I'm from Missouri. Am I a bandwagon jumper?

I've been a Cowboy fan my whole life......I went to my first game at Texas Stadium when I was eight years old. I've followed them since.

I guess (according to you) when we moved to Missouri, I should've begun rooting for the Rams (actually, it was the St. Louis Cardinals then). But that's the definition of a "Bandwagon" fan isn't it?

Moron.

How would a guy from Missouri end up in Texas Stadium? Maybe your parents took you? Why were they there?

[fancow]

I'm just curious, do you know where all I have lived in my life?

If not, know your role and shut your pie hole about who on this site might or might not be a bandwagon fan.

So your from Texas?

[Bizwah]

You have GOT to be kidding me....

Forget the fact that Hostile is the most active poster on the most active Cowboiys board on the web, just think about the fact you just claimed there is an Arizona Cardinals bandwagon

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Not only that, but we're a team that's gone over ten years since our last playoff win.....we've finished below .500 in five of the last six seasons....yet, I hear so many people claim that we're all "bandwagon" fans.

Just completely stupid!!

We have some of the most active message boards on the internet, we have one of the longest streaks in the NFL for selling out our stadium, we're in the top five in team apparel sales every year, our games are almost always the most highly rated......yet, we're still called "Bandwagon" fans by people.

Just completely STUPID!!

[BlueStar II]

I think Spears does show that he can contribute at this level, but my initial impression of him also is that he is slow off the ball though.

[Hostile]

School me...You got a therapist?

You'll need one before I am done.

Say the word kid.

[Hostile]

So your from Texas?So a dog pissed you on a stump and the sun hatched you out?

[Bizwah]

How would a guy from Missouri end up in Texas Stadium? Maybe your parents took you? Why were they there?

Seriously, can you read?

Go back and read my post......I said we "moved" to Missouri....From OK. Oklahoma is "Cowboy Country".

Please do explain why you have to be from a team's home state to be considered a "legit" fan.

Idiot.

[fancow]

Not only that, but we're a team that's gone over ten years since our last playoff win.....we've finished below .500 in five of the last six seasons....yet, I hear so many people claim that we're all "bandwagon" fans.

Just completely stupid!!

We have some of the most active message boards on the internet, we have one of the longest streaks in the NFL for selling out our stadium, we're in the top five in team apparel sales every year, our games are almost always the most highly rated......yet, we're still called "Bandwagon" fans by people.

Just completely STUPID!!

OK I will school you.

Dallas wins a bunch of Superbowls. You follow them and they are your team. Now they suck for 5 of six years, but you hopped on the wagon during the superbowls.

Hence

BANDWAGON JUMPER.

Like a Yankees fan.

It's not that difficult of a concept.

Uh and ES has alot more posters.

[fancow]

You got a therapist?

You'll need one before I am done.

Say the word kid.

Funny I gave you plenty of opportunity.

You from texas?

[Qwickdraw]

fancow and friends eagerly await Redskins next home game.
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*note: fancow's the one with the blue leggings.

[fancow]

Seriously, can you read?

Go back and read my post......I said we "moved" to Missouri....From OK. Oklahoma is "Cowboy Country".

Please do explain why you have to be from a team's home state to be considered a "legit" fan.

Idiot.

Oklahoma is a college "town" That is sooner country :cool:

[The30YardSlant]

OK I will school you.

Dallas wins a bunch of Superbowls. You follow them and they are your team. Now they suck for 5 of six years, but you hopped on the wagon during the superbowls.

Hence

BANDWAGON JUMPER.

Like a Yankees fan.

It's not that difficult of a concept.

Uh and ES has alot more posters.

But wait, you've never heard of extremeskins :lmao:

That, my inept foeskin fan, is "schooling". Now go home and cry to mommy.

[Hostile]

Funny I gave you plenty of opportunity.

You from texas?Are you capable of talking football or just being a troll who will probably be banned before the night is done?

I mean you are a homegrown fan of the RedSkunks so surely you could answer some questions relevant to your team right?

As for where I am from let's just say this, you couldn't survive it. No lace underwear at any of the stores.

[Qwickdraw]

Hey fancow...

how come you're afraid to use your username here?

You know... the one you use over at ES?

[Bizwah]

OK I will school you.

Dallas wins a bunch of Superbowls. You follow them and they are your team. Now they suck for 5 of six years, but you hopped on the wagon during the superbowls.

Hence

BANDWAGON JUMPER.

Like a Yankees fan.

It's not that difficult of a concept.

Uh and ES has alot more posters.

Hey, Moron........Do you even know when I became a fan?

Let me tell you........1982. My family went to Texas Stadium on a Monday Night to watch the Buffalo Bills play the Dallas Cowboys.

Did the Cowboys play a SB in 1982? Did they win one in 1982? No......That was the game that made me a fan....I followed them since. I cheered them with Danny White at the helm, handing off to Tony Dorsett, and passing to Drew Pearson and Doug Cosbie. I cheered them on with Steve Pelluer as the QB......which was an adventure.

We moved to Missouri in 1986....by then, I was a true blue Dallas fan. My friends ridiculed me harshly in the late eighties...yes, I took their insults on the chin, but still wore the Silver and Blue. The worst season was 1989 when we went 1-15 (who did we beat that year, BTW?), my friends didn't razz me, but merely felt sorry for me.

By the time the ninties came around, I was a "hardened" fan. I could take anything....but something "miraculous" happened. We started winning....

Anyway, I supported this team in the "hard" times, the "great" times, and the "hard" times again. How is this "Bandwagon"?

"Bandwagon" fans, are fans that jump from winning team to winning team. They're fans that have Cowboy jerseys, Packer jerseys, Bronco jerseys, and now Patriot jerseys in their closets.

My closet only has Cowboy jerseys.

You want "Bandwagon" fans....come to Missouri. You'll see them switch between Chiefs jerseys and Rams jerseys from week to week. That's more "Bandwagon" than anything I've ever seen. But I guess by your definition, that's OK because it's from their "home" state.

If I were weak, if I were "Bandwagon" I would've jumped ship a long time ago.....But I'm a Cowboy fan forever.

I speak for all those that are "Displaced" fans of the star. If we were "Bandwagon" fans, we would've jumped ship long ago......

That's what "Bandwagon" fans do......BTW.....I bet you have a Ravens jersey stashed somewhere in your closet....Doncha?

[fancow]

Hey, Moron........Do you even know when I became a fan?

Let me tell you........1982. My family went to Texas Stadium on a Monday Night to watch the Buffalo Bills play the Dallas Cowboys.

Did the Cowboys play a SB in 1982? Did they win one in 1982? No......That was the game that made me a fan....I followed them since. I cheered them with Danny White at the helm, handing off to Tony Dorsett, and passing to Drew Pearson and Doug Cosbie. I cheered them on with Steve Pelluer as the QB......which was an adventure.

We moved to Missouri in 1986....by then, I was a true blue Dallas fan. My friends ridiculed me harshly in the late eighties...yes, I took their insults on the chin, but still wore the Silver and Blue. The worst season was 1989 when we went 1-15 (who did we beat that year, BTW?), my friends didn't razz me, but merely felt sorry for me.

By the time the ninties came around, I was a "hardened" fan. I could take anything....but something "miraculous" happened. We started winning....

Anyway, I supported this team in the "hard" times, the "great" times, and the "hard" times again. How is this "Bandwagon"?

"Bandwagon" fans, are fans that jump from winning team to winning team. They're fans that have Cowboy jerseys, Packer jerseys, Bronco jerseys, and now Patriot jerseys in their closets.

My closet only has Cowboy jerseys.

You want "Bandwagon" fans....come to Missouri. You'll see them switch between Chiefs jerseys and Rams jerseys from week to week. That's more "Bandwagon" than anything I've ever seen. But I guess by your definition, that's OK because it's from their "home" state.

If I were weak, if I were "Bandwagon" I would've jumped ship a long time ago.....But I'm a Cowboy fan forever.

I speak for all those that are "Displaced" fans of the star. If we were "Bandwagon" fans, we would've jumped ship long ago......

That's what "Bandwagon" fans do......BTW.....I bet you have a Ravens jersey stashed somewhere in your closet....Doncha?

My apologies.

And no I hate the Ravens as much as the Boys. I live in Purple Chicken Country with Ray Ray lewis.

[fancow]

Hey fancow...

how come you're afraid to use your username here?

You know... the one you use over at ES?

Are you quickdraw on es?

[Hostile]

Oklahoma is a college "town" That is sooner country :cool:Actually genius, Oklahoma is a state. Oklahoma City is a town. If you don't have family there like many of us have there's no way you'd know that. Inferior education and all.

[fancow]

Actually genius, Oklahoma is a state. Oklahoma City is a town. If you don't have family there like many of us have there's no way you'd know that. Inferior education and all.

OK no more insults, can we talk football?

[Bizwah]

Oklahoma is a college "town" That is sooner country :cool:

So, according to your "logic".......people from states like Rhode Island, Wyoming, Oklahoma, North and South Dakota, Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, etc...etc...etc... can't have favorite NFL teams? I mean, there are no NFL teams in those states, so they can't root for a team?

Again, you are nothing but a moron......But then again, here I am arguing with a moron......

I guess an Obi-wanism is needed here......"Who's more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

Anyway, don't ever question the loyalty of fans on this board. They know our team backwards and forwards.

I'll wager that all of us here (even those of us outside the state of Texas), know more about the Cowboys past and present than you do about your Redskins.

[Bizwah]

OK no more insults, can we talk football?

That's what we're waiting on from you genius. You started this crap. Apparently, you can't finish it.

[fancow]

So, according to your "logic".......people from states like Rhode Island, Wyoming, Oklahoma, North and South Dakota, Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, etc...etc...etc... can't have favorite NFL teams? I mean, there are no NFL teams in those states, so they can't root for a team?

Again, you are nothing but a moron......But then again, here I am arguing with a moron......

I guess an Obi-wanism is needed here......"Who's more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

Anyway, don't ever question the loyalty of fans on this board. They know our team backwards and forwards.

I'll wager that all of us here (even those of us outside the state of Texas), know more about the Cowboys past and present than you do about your Redskins.

Uh I think I apologized to you.

[Hostile]

OK no more insults, can we talk football?You can give it a shot, but I suspect you'll revert to form.

Pick your poison. I can discuss either team without insults. Can you?

[Hostile]

That's what we're waiting on from you genius. You started this crap. Apparently, you can't finish it.I don't think he realizes how insulting that crap is.

[Bizwah]

Uh I think I apologized to you.

My apologies, I didn't see it until after I posted. But you calling out Cowboy fans from outside the state of Texas is still ridiculous.

You don't know their stories.....you don't know their motivations for loving this team.

All the Bandwagon fans have gone.....they left in 1996........Go to a Pats or Eagles board to find them.

[fancow]

You can give it a shot, but I suspect you'll revert to form.

Pick your poison. I can discuss either team without insults. Can you?

OK honestly do you really think there is much difference in the cowboys franchise and the redskins?

2 meddling owners, 2 patchwork teams, 2 hall of fame coaches, and many years of bad results.

I think the skins are on the right track in year 2 of gibbs, the boys took the snyder buy free agent route.

[Tio]

*grabs popcorn* where was I for this thread?

Fancow is already crying about you guys and your mean insults, you jerks :).

[fancow]

My apologies, I didn't see it until after I posted. But you calling out Cowboy fans from outside the state of Texas is still ridiculous.

You don't know their stories.....you don't know their motivations for loving this team.

All the Bandwagon fans have gone.....they left in 1996........Go to a Pats or Eagles board to find them.

See maybe coming to the cowboys board I see the light.

[Bizwah]

I don't think he realizes how insulting that crap is.

Exactly......Especially, when you get as much crap as Cowboy fans get outside of Texas.

It never fails.

Anytime I wear my Cowboy jerseys, or hats, or coats, etc....I get a reaction. I hear crap from everyone.

This week was especially loud. I teach history and coach basketball at a local MS here.....you wouldn't believe how I heard it. Everytime I would walk in the gym..."how 'bout them Cowboys!"

But it's stuff like that, that makes me love them more.

[Hostile]

OK honestly do you really think there is much difference in the cowboys franchise and the redskins?

2 meddling owners, 2 patchwork teams, 2 hall of fame coaches, and many years of bad results.

I think the skins are on the right track in year 2 of gibbs, the boys took the snyder buy free agent route.Yes, I think there is a huge difference between the 2 teams as far as the direction they are going.

For the last 3 or 4 years you have traded away draft picks for marginal players and even great players. Some are no longer on your team and more soon won't be as you have enterred an area we have experience with. It's called Salary Cap hell.

In the next couple of years you are going to lose som high priced players and you won't have any young players from the Drafts to replace them.

Your owner foolishly has believed that he could buy a Championship. It has never worked in the NFL and isn't likely to work.

You have some talent on your team...for now. Your window for this talent to get you somewhere is rapidly closing.

By all means shut your eyes to it if you wish.

[Tio]

OK honestly do you really think there is much difference in the cowboys franchise and the redskins?

2 meddling owners, 2 patchwork teams, 2 hall of fame coaches, and many years of bad results.

I think the skins are on the right track in year 2 of gibbs, the boys took the snyder buy free agent route.Did you see the soap oprah that was the skins off season? The skins have a bunch of malcontents, a unneccessary qb controversy and 2 very underwhelming wins. To say your on the right track and we aren't because we put our #3 corner on your #1 reciever is rediculous. You know how different the tunes around the sports nation would be if cortez's first kick is 5 inches to the right?

[Hostile]

Exactly......Especially, when you get as much crap as Cowboy fans get outside of Texas.

It never fails.

Anytime I wear my Cowboy jerseys, or hats, or coats, etc....I get a reaction. I hear crap from everyone.

This week was especially loud. I teach history and coach basketball at a local MS here.....you wouldn't believe how I heard it. Everytime I would walk in the gym..."how 'bout them Cowboys!"

But it's stuff like that, that makes me love them more.I hope people hate us forever.

[Bizwah]

OK honestly do you really think there is much difference in the cowboys franchise and the redskins?

2 meddling owners, 2 patchwork teams, 2 hall of fame coaches, and many years of bad results.

I think the skins are on the right track in year 2 of gibbs, the boys took the snyder buy free agent route.

But our "meddling" owner got us three SB victories. Snyder has done nothing but take a playoff team, and make it a perinnial loser.

I agree that the Skins are on the "right track". But I think it'll take a while to get there. Gibbs can build a winner.....but will Snyder be patient enough to let it happen?

We did buy some key free agents....but we coupled that with a great draft. All of our draft picks made the team as well as a number of UDFAs. All, except for Beriault (who's on IR), are expected to make significant contributions.

20% of our team is made up of rookies. We have even more second year players. In other words, we're very young and talented, we're building.... not plugging. That's the difference in what we're doing now, and what you all did the past five years or so....you gave up picks for FAs......We haven't.

I like the team you have this year. I think your defense is outstanding. But I think we'll be much better than you at the end of the season.

[fancow]

Yes, I think there is a huge difference between the 2 teams as far as the direction they are going.

For the last 3 or 4 years you have traded away draft picks for marginal players and even great players. Some are no longer on your team and more soon won't be as you have enterred an area we have experience with. It's called Salary Cap hell.

In the next couple of years you are going to lose som high priced players and you won't have any young players from the Drafts to replace them.

Your owner foolishly has believed that he could buy a Championship. It has never worked in the NFL and isn't likely to work.

You have some talent on your team...for now. Your window for this talent to get you somewhere is rapidly closing.

By all means shut your eyes to it if you wish.

I get so tired of hearing this from non redskins fans.

Who will we lose? All the high priced free agents get cut year after year, so we have been taking our cap hits.

We have youth on the oline, dline, secondary, reciever, rb, etc, etc.

Our free agents are going and going. there will be no purge. And the new agreement with the players union just leaves it as a free for all.

What do the Cowboys have? Old QB, Old Receivers, Old O-Line.

So where is your logic?

Cowboys at best are in the same boat.

[fancow]

But our "meddling" owner got us three SB victories. Snyder has done nothing but take a playoff team, and make it a perinnial loser.

I agree that the Skins are on the "right track". But I think it'll take a while to get there. Gibbs can build a winner.....but will Snyder be patient enough to let it happen?

We did buy some key free agents....but we coupled that with a great draft. All of our draft picks made the team as well as a number of UDFAs. All, except for Beriault (who's on IR), are expected to make significant contributions.

20% of our team is made up of rookies. We have even more second year players. In other words, we're very young and talented, we're building.... not plugging. That's the difference in what we're doing now, and what you all did the past five years or so....you gave up picks for FAs......We haven't.

I like the team you have this year. I think your defense is outstanding. But I think we'll be much better than you at the end of the season.

Well your owner got lucky. He got handed a boatload of draft picks, and hall of famers at 3 key positions.

NOW, the boys have a bunch of has beens or could of beens at reciever and QB. A potential GREAT at RB, and an old o-line.

I am not sure why you think you'll be so much better at years end.

[The30YardSlant]

I get so tired of hearing this from non redskins fans.

Who will we lose? All the high priced free agents get cut year after year, so we have been taking our cap hits.

We have youth on the oline, dline, secondary, reciever, rb, etc, etc.

Our free agents are going and going. there will be no purge. And the new agreement with the players union just leaves it as a free for all.

What do the Cowboys have? Old QB, Old Receivers, Old O-Line.

So where is your logic?

Cowboys at best are in the same boat.

What do the Redskins have? Inept QB, inept receivers, and inept O-Line

Dallas has alot of young talent and we arent in dissaray as Washington is.

[BigDFan5]

fancow as it stands right now do you know what the salary of your team will be next season before the season starts?

[The30YardSlant]

Well your owner got lucky. He got handed a boatload of draft picks, and hall of famers at 3 key positions.

NOW, the boys have a bunch of has beens or could of beens at reciever and QB. A potential GREAT at RB, and an old o-line.

I am not sure why you think you'll be so much better at years end.

Luck or not, you are still looking up at FATHER Dallas and our 5 SB championships and our greatest franchise in NFL history

[The30YardSlant]

As of right now, Washington's salary for next season will exceed 100 million dollars.

[Tio]

We have youth on the oline, dline?, secondary, reciever?, rb, etc?, etc.?


What do the Cowboys have? Old QB, Old Receivers, Old O-Line.


And a very young defense. We have backup plans for our vets (allen Rivera) in peterman and maybe gurode, although I'm not too sure on him. 33 is not old by qb standards. Our recievers are old, I'll give you that.

[fancow]

What do the Redskins have? Inept QB, inept receivers, and inept O-Line

Dallas has alot of young talent and we arent in dissaray as Washington is.

Who is number 2 in the league in receiving.

You can hate, but use facts please.

We have an inept QB. Our line is better than you portray, but our QB is so bad we cannot stop 8+ in the box.

There is no dissaray here except what your media claims. No more disarray than Jerry Jones provides.

Don't hate....

[BigDFan5]

As of right now, Washington's salary for next season will exceed 100 million dollars.


I think its more like 112 if I am not mistaken

[Tio]

As of right now, Washington's salary for next season will exceed 100 million dollars.I read somewhere that they have like 90 million invested in less than 25 players, somewhere in the range.

[fancow]

As of right now, Washington's salary for next season will exceed 100 million dollars.

Lavar gets cut next year, that drops us 10 mill alone.

There is no mass exodus next year, just lavar and a few scrubs.

Lavar hasn't done anything for us.

[BigDFan5]

Who is number 2 in the league in receiving.

You can hate, but use facts please.

We have an inept QB. Our line is better than you portray, but our QB is so bad we cannot stop 8+ in the box.

There is no dissaray here except what your media claims. No more disarray than Jerry Jones provides.

Don't hate....


isnt one of our old has been never will be WRs right up there too about 56 yards behind your great wr?

[The30YardSlant]

Who is number 2 in the league in receiving.

You can hate, but use facts please.

We have an inept QB. Our line is better than you portray, but our QB is so bad we cannot stop 8+ in the box.

There is no dissaray here except what your media claims. No more disarray than Jerry Jones provides.

Don't hate....

Because of 2 long, lucky pass plays, Moss is suddenly great? There are 20 WRs I can think of moff the top of my head who I would take over him.

And your overrated safety is better at shooting people than he is at coverage (not saying much), you have a bonofied QB controversy (and both suck), your owner is the biggest idiot to ever grace an NFL franchise, and your coach has lost it.

Dissaray abounds.

[fancow]

I think its more like 112 if I am not mistaken

Brunell is cut 2.

Then our d-tackle from dallas whose knee keeps getting ripped thats 3.

that puts us under cap :)

[Hostile]

I get so tired of hearing this from non redskins fans.

Who will we lose? All the high priced free agents get cut year after year, so we have been taking our cap hits.

We have youth on the oline, dline, secondary, reciever, rb, etc, etc.

Our free agents are going and going. there will be no purge. And the new agreement with the players union just leaves it as a free for all.

What do the Cowboys have? Old QB, Old Receivers, Old O-Line.

So where is your logic?

Cowboys at best are in the same boat.Brunnell, Samuels, and Arrington would be my first guesses.

Tell me about what you'll do in the 1st round of next year's draft? Oh yeah, you don't have one.

You spent a 2nd round pick to acquire Brunnell who was going to be released anyway.

But, you're good with this right?

As for the stupid crack about non Redskins fans, just because you are fan of the team doesn't mean you know squat about it.

I met a guy who was a Skins fan who told me your mascot comes from a species of peanut, not an Indian. But because he's a Skins fan he knows more than me right?

Don't bank on it kid.

You gave up draft picks for players. Some of them players you haven't even kept. It's foolish.

[The30YardSlant]

Lavar gets cut next year, that drops us 10 mill alone.

There is no mass exodus next year, just lavar and a few scrubs.

Lavar hasn't done anything for us.

Someone doesnt understand cap economics.

Just because you cut Lavar doesnt mean you dont have to pay him :rolleyes:

[fancow]

Because of 2 long, lucky pass plays, Moss is suddenly great? There are 20 WRs I can think of moff the top of my head who I would take over him.

And your overrated safety is better at shooting people than he is at coverage (not saying much), you have a bonofied QB controversy (and both suck), your owner is the biggest idiot to ever grace an NFL franchise, and your coach has lost it.

Dissaray abounds.

Hate Hate Hate.

Our safety is as good as Roy. We have a QB controversy and they both suck is true. Our owner is no different than Jerry jones, and our coach is no different than the tuna.

Don't hate just because ya lost.

[The30YardSlant]

Brunell is cut 2.

Then our d-tackle from dallas whose knee keeps getting ripped thats 3.

that puts us under cap :)

:lmao:

That still puts you roughly 20 million over the cap

:lmao:

What an idiot. You will have to cut either Samuels or Portis as well, and likely Shawn Springs.

[Hostile]

Who is number 2 in the league in receiving.

You can hate, but use facts please.

We have an inept QB. Our line is better than you portray, but our QB is so bad we cannot stop 8+ in the box.

There is no dissaray here except what your media claims. No more disarray than Jerry Jones provides.

Don't hate....2 games in.

You man enough to make a bet that it won't last?

I'll give you 100 to 1 odds.

Someone else holds the $$$ or no bet.

[The30YardSlant]

Hate Hate Hate.

Our safety is as good as Roy. We have a QB controversy and they both suck is true. Our owner is no different than Jerry jones, and our coach is no different than the tuna.

Don't hate just because ya lost.

Jerry Jones: 3 SB titles, built the greatest dynasy EVER

Danny Boy: 1 playoff appearence, zero postseaosn wins, 1 winning season

Jerry wins

And no, ST is not RW.

[Bizwah]

I get so tired of hearing this from non redskins fans.

Who will we lose? All the high priced free agents get cut year after year, so we have been taking our cap hits.

We have youth on the oline, dline, secondary, reciever, rb, etc, etc.

Our free agents are going and going. there will be no purge. And the new agreement with the players union just leaves it as a free for all.

What do the Cowboys have? Old QB, Old Receivers, Old O-Line.

So where is your logic?

Cowboys at best are in the same boat.

Good points all........But I disagree about the youth on your DL, Secondary, and WR.

The ages on your starting DL are as follows: Wynn--31, Salave'a 30, Griffin 28 (29 in Dec), Daniels 32....Noble is 31 (and keeps getting dinged). With the exception of Griffin (who is a fine player), you have no talented youth on your DL.

Compare it with our DL: Glover and Fergie are 31, and Ellis is 30. But Canty is 23, Spears is 22, Ware is 22, Ratliff and Johnson are both under 25. We have a near perfect blend of youth and experience.

Sean Taylor is a great safety....maybe even better than Roy....and he's only 22. But Harris and Springs are 31 and 30. Rogers is an excellent young CB, so you do have 2/4 of a fine secondary.

Compare it to our secondary: Roy is 25, Newman is 27, Henry is 29, and Beriualt is 24.

Moss is 26, but Patten is 31, and Thrash is 30. Now, I don't know how much hope your putting in Jacobs....he's young, but I have yet to see him make an impact. Keyshawn is 33 and Glenn is 31.....Crayton is 26 and Price is 29. It's a close call here.....

OK, I'll say you beat us in the youth department at WR, OL, and QB.....I say QB, because we really haven't found "our guy" yet. At least you have Campbell.

So we do have holes to fill. Both teams.....but we will have plenty of draft picks to do this with. You all don't.

I would say, we're in better shape than you all right now.......but we'll see.

[fancow]

Brunnell, Samuels, and Arrington would be my first guesses.

Tell me about what you'll do in the 1st round of next year's draft? Oh yeah, you don't have one.

You spent a 2nd round pick to acquire Brunnell who was going to be released anyway.

But, you're good with this right?

As for the stupid crack about non Redskins fans, just because you are fan of the team doesn't mean you know squat about it.

I met a guy who was a Skins fan who told me your mascot comes from a species of peanut, not an Indian. But because he's a Skins fan he knows more than me right?

Don't bank on it kid.

You gave up draft picks for players. Some of them players you haven't even kept. It's foolish.

So if we lose Arrington, Brunell and Samuels we will be a worse team?

You want to talk football, yet you wont talk straight. If you are a football fan you know Brunell sucks, Arrington has barely played in 2 seasons. So you are talking losing an O-tackle who has stunk up the joint the last 2 seasons. So where is the collapse? Bring it if you got it, but I will give Dallas those three.

What do you care about what we did with our picks? Our team is not an old team. We are not having a firesale next year, and the salary cap is not an issue.

Come correct or don't come at all.

[Bizwah]

Who is number 2 in the league in receiving.

You can hate, but use facts please.

We have an inept QB. Our line is better than you portray, but our QB is so bad we cannot stop 8+ in the box.

There is no dissaray here except what your media claims. No more disarray than Jerry Jones provides.

Don't hate....

Right now, Bledsoe is the leading QB in the NFC...according to the passer ratings. He's number two in the NFL.

But that probably won't last long.

[fancow]

Jerry Jones: 3 SB titles, built the greatest dynasy EVER

Danny Boy: 1 playoff appearence, zero postseaosn wins, 1 winning season

Jerry wins

And no, ST is not RW.

How long has danny been owner?

How long jerry?

Don't throw out useless stats.

[BigDFan5]

Lavar gets cut next year, that drops us 10 mill alone.

There is no mass exodus next year, just lavar and a few scrubs.

Lavar hasn't done anything for us.


Dropping Lavar would not save you 10 million he signed a new contract before the 2004 season right? His signig bonusa would come due immediately and wipe out any savings

[fancow]

2 games in.

You man enough to make a bet that it won't last?

I'll give you 100 to 1 odds.

Someone else holds the $$$ or no bet.

OK, who holds my $100 who holds your $1000?

[The30YardSlant]

So if we lose Arrington, Brunell and Samuels we will be a worse team?

You want to talk football, yet you wont talk straight. If you are a football fan you know Brunell sucks, Arrington has barely played in 2 seasons. So you are talking losing an O-tackle who has stunk up the joint the last 2 seasons. So where is the collapse? Bring it if you got it, but I will give Dallas those three.

What do you care about what we did with our picks? Our team is not an old team. We are not having a firesale next year, and the salary cap is not an issue.

Come correct or don't come at all.

Yes, it is:

http://www.thehogs.net/html/Team/salary_table.html

[The30YardSlant]

How long has danny been owner?

How long jerry?

Don't throw out useless stats.

Jerry won his forst SB in his 5th season as owner, and had 3 after 8 years

Snyder hasnt even won a playoff game in his 7th season

Ouch

[fancow]

Good points all........But I disagree about the youth on your DL, Secondary, and WR.

The ages on your starting DL are as follows: Wynn--31, Salave'a 30, Griffin 28 (29 in Dec), Daniels 32....Noble is 31 (and keeps getting dinged). With the exception of Griffin (who is a fine player), you have no talented youth on your DL.

Compare it with our DL: Glover and Fergie are 31, and Ellis is 30. But Canty is 23, Spears is 22, Ware is 22, Ratliff and Johnson are both under 25. We have a near perfect blend of youth and experience.

Sean Taylor is a great safety....maybe even better than Roy....and he's only 22. But Harris and Springs are 31 and 30. Rogers is an excellent young CB, so you do have 2/4 of a fine secondary.

Compare it to our secondary: Roy is 25, Newman is 27, Henry is 29, and Beriualt is 24.

Moss is 26, but Patten is 31, and Thrash is 30. Now, I don't know how much hope your putting in Jacobs....he's young, but I have yet to see him make an impact.

You beat us in the youth department at WR, OL, and QB.....I say QB, because we really haven't found "our guy" yet. At least you have Campbell.

So we do have holes to fill. Both teams.....but we will have plenty of draft picks to do this with. You all don't.

I would say, we're in better shape than you all right now.......but we'll see.

You got me on the age, our d-line and corners are old.

Noble is gone.

[BigDFan5]

How long has danny been owner?

How long jerry?

Don't throw out useless stats.


Snyder has owned them for 6 years

Within 6 years Jerry had 3 superbowls

[Hostile]

OK, who holds my $100 who holds your $1000?Math isn't your subject huh?

[fancow]

Jerry won his forst SB in his 5th season as owner, and had 3 after 8 years

Snyder hasnt even won a playoff game in his 7th season

Ouch

Uh sorry but he did win a playoff game.

Come with facts. Come correct or don't come.

[Hostile]

Snyder has owned them for 6 years

Within 6 years Jerry had 3 superbowls:lmao2:

[fancow]

Math isn't your subject huh?

LOL 10K who holds is.

[The30YardSlant]

Jerry: 3 titles

Snyder: none

That is all

[BigDFan5]

:lmao2:


He shoulda let us use all the years it wouldnt have looked as bad

[The30YardSlant]

Add that to the fact that Dan Snyder doesnt know anything about the NFL salary cap or how to run a team, and you get the worst owner in history.

[Hostile]

LOL 10K who holds is.English not your subject either huh?

I suggest an escrow firm such as a bank. Not that I believe you'll send the C note.

[Bizwah]

Heck, I'll just compare the ages of the OL too....

Skins:
Samuels 28
Jansen 29
Rabach 28 (happy B-Day)
Dockery 25
Thomas 29

All in their 20s....all heading for their primes.

Dallas:
Adams 30
Petitti 23
Allen 34
Johnson 26
Rivera 33

No doubt.....we're aging here.

Overall, we're a younger team overall than you all. I think the only positions we don't have youth in, the OL and WR, can be fixed rather easily. We have nice depth at almost every position....this is something you cannot say.

We have the draft picks and cap room to fix most of our problems next year. You don't.......Again, I think we're just about the same this year. But I think the gap will increase in our favor next season, and even more the year after.

You cannot "give" your draft picks away like the Skins have. Especially premium picks like first, second, and third rounders like you have lately. We did in the trade for Galloway....we're finally getting over that trade as a team.

[SilverStarCowboy]

Marcus Spears is BEAST, I was very surprised he didn't break the top 10 of the draft. I thought he was the best Defensive lineman comming out of the entire draft.

[baj1dallas]

Marcus Spears is BEAST, I was very surprised he didn't break the top 10 of the draft. I thought he was the best Defensive lineman comming out of the entire draft.

What made you think that? Did you get to see a lot of him at LSU? What did you like about him? I don't remember him being nearly as he is now, but I do remember him making a lot of plays.

[junk]

So, according to your "logic".......people from states like Rhode Island, Wyoming, Oklahoma, North and South Dakota, Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, etc...etc...etc... can't have favorite NFL teams? I mean, there are no NFL teams in those states, so they can't root for a team?

.

Or Montana. Go Cowboys.

Back on topic, Spears would be a beast at DT, like Kevin Williams in Minnesota.

[Dawgs0916]

I dont think I want to sacrifice his play making ability by putting him at DT. He seems like the perfect 3-4 DE and Id love to have a DL of Spears, Ferguson, and Canty next year. Unless we pick up a true NT in the draft (Ngata?) or choose killer DE (Kiwanuka?) and then i could understand moving spears inside.

[Cowboys&Caps]

Oklahoma is a college "town" That is sooner country :cool:


Oklahoma is a state dumbaass

can we get an age limit on this board i think 5th grade where we learned the states and capitals aught to be a good place to start

[Jimmie]

tonight is the first time I ever visited ES. now, I didnt browse around much, but on the surface it looks like a great site.

[Qwickdraw]

What do you care about what we did with our picks? Our team is not an old team. We are not having a firesale next year, and the salary cap is not an issue.

Come correct or don't come at all.
Actually, you guys are the fourth oldest team in the league by average age.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Actually, you guys are the fourth oldest team in the league by average age.

http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/stayalertowned.jpg.jpg

owned

[SilverStarCowboy]

What made you think that?


Draft analysis


Did you get to see a lot of him at LSU?

Mostly highlights, he started out as a talanted TE in College.

What did you like about him? I don't remember him being nearly as he is now, but I do remember him making a lot of plays.


He was one of the biggest with size and strength drafted at DE, couple that with the quickness for the second level. Reminds me of a big DE in the Bruce Smith or Reggie White mold. Frankly, I was very surprised and delighted he didn't go top 10 because to tell you the absolute truth I thought he had the talant to go top 5. When he was there at #20 I was shocked, one of my early draft mocks had Spears going to us at 11 and Ware going to us at #20. Not sure why Spears slid in the draft and it puzzled many draft gurus. When Dallas ended up with both of them it was pretty much the most unbelievabely good draft in a very long long time.

Spears to me and alot of other people, was the steal of the draft in the first 20 picks and always has been.

[MichaelWinicki]

Spears has some initial quickness but not great upfield burst. That's why he's probably a better as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 end than he is a 4-3 end. Canty is sorta the same way really. As 4-3 DT's they are both anomalies and throw-backs to an older time of professional football where DT's were taller and quicker (meaning a little lighter) than they are now. I honestly believe we're starting to see some of that type of player already. The "sumo" type of DT (from a 4-3 perspective) has probably started to run its course.

[Sarge]

Spears has some initial quickness but not great upfield burst. That's why he's probably a better as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 end than he is a 4-3 end. Canty is sorta the same way really. As 4-3 DT's they are both anomalies and throw-backs to an older time of professional football where DT's were taller and quicker (meaning a little lighter) than they are now. I honestly believe we're starting to see some of that type of player already. The "sumo" type of DT (from a 4-3 perspective) has probably started to run its course.

Agreed.

Morning Winks.

[Tio]

How long has danny been owner?

How long jerry?

Don't throw out useless stats.DO you know how long it took Jerry to win 3 sbs? Don't complain when you haveno argument.

[Tio]

Uh sorry but he did win a playoff game.

Come with facts. Come correct or don't come.That was the season he just joined, where he did almost nothing to the team at all. SInce than he has made them more inept year after year. Quit trying to spin things, Snyder has done nothing other than being a liability for your team.

[fancow]

DO you know how long it took Jerry to win 3 sbs? Don't complain when you haveno argument.

OK I will spell this out for you guys.

Jerry has been an owner longer.

Jerry got the benefit of an idiotic trade to get a boat load of draft picks.

Jerry go lucky and got 3 hof'ers at 3 key positions.

Now if you are honest with yourselves...Jerry and Danny are very much alike based on recent history.

Don't tell me the boys won the superbowls BECAUSE of Jerry. You don't really believe that do you??????????

[fancow]

That was the season he just joined, where he did almost nothing to the team at all. SInce than he has made them more inept year after year. Quit trying to spin things, Snyder has done nothing other than being a liability for your team.

And what was the state of the Redskins prior to snyder?

If you understood Skins history...Cooke died and the skins estate left us unable to resign Trent Green who was proving to be a stud. Then Casserly the idiot traded our future for Brad SUCKS Johnson.

Don't pretend to know what Snyder walked into......

[Tio]

Jerry got lucky:rolleyes:, you are so ignorant.

Jerry saw the oppurtunity to trade a great RB for all of those picks, he didn't get lucky. He could have easily kept Walker, and he had to choose who to take with those picks. With it he helped build one of the greatest olines in the nfl.

It doesn't matter how long Jerry has been an owner, he had much more success than Snyder, and Snyder inherited a playoff team. Jerry got great talents like Novacheck, Deion and Haley that helped put our team over the top. Jerry overrall ran his team the way it was supposed to be run, Snyder has had to have continually cut and trade good players because of his stupid decisions.

[Tio]

And what was the state of the Redskins prior to snyder?

If you understood Skins history...Cooke died and the skins estate left us unable to resign Trent Green who was proving to be a stud. Then Casserly the idiot traded our future for Brad SUCKS Johnson.

Don't pretend to know what Snyder walked into......Trent Green was mediocre in Washington. Brad Johnson was better when he left your team as well. The fact is when snyder just got the team, he did nothing and they went to the playoffs. I think you know the story since then.

[fancow]

Jerry got lucky:rolleyes:, you are so ingorant.

Jerry saw the oppurtunity to trade a great RB for all of those picks, he didn't get lucky.

It doesn't matter how long Jerry has been an owner, he had much more success than Snyder, and Snyder inherited a playoff team. Jerry got great talents like Novacheck, Deion and Haley that helped put our team over the top. Jerry overrall ran his team the way it was supposed to be run, Snyder has had to have continually cut and trade good players because of his stupid decisions.

Last I saw the boys have been a laughing stock of personnell decisions. Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson, and a hodge podge of other qb's. I don't know where you come off with Jerry being this great GM.

Jimmy Johnson helped your boy Jerry out. But go ahead and credit it to the owner. Your homer is coming out WAY too much.

Snyder didn't inherit a playoff team. He inherited a team who LUCKED into the playoffs with a ONE time pro bowl performance by Michael Westbrook and Albert Connell. They were our receivers, the never performed well prior to that year OR after that year.

He inherited a poorly run team with a bad coach and bad GM.

Get your facts straight.

Stop reading len pasquerrelli.

[fancow]

Trent Green was mediocre in Washington. Brad Johnson was better when he left your team as well. The fact is when snyder just got the team, he did nothing and they went to the playoffs. I think you know the story since then.

First Trent Green was basically a rookie. We groomed him, and he was playing like an NFL starter. Had we kept green we would have been a better franchise.
He would have been the trent green he is today. What are you talking about???? Thats like saying Aikman wasn't good in Dallas his first year or two.

And no Brad Johnson had 1 great year in washington, and he was mediocre when tampa won the superbowl.

He is not that old and not a starting qb because he is and has always been mediocre except in the skins playoff year.

[Tio]

Last I saw the boys have been a laughing stock of personnell decisions. Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson, and a hodge podge of other qb's. I don't know where you come off with Jerry being this great GM.
BEcause of what he did earlier. He has recently bought into the "no 1st rd qbs" theory, hopefully he will snap out of it soon.
Jimmy Johnson helped your boy Jerry out. But go ahead and credit it to the owner. Your homer is coming out WAY too much. You think I don't know this? Jimmy did help with personell, but JJ had to pull the trigger which he did. I don't say Jerry is a great owner/gm, he is just much better than snyder.

Snyder didn't inherit a playoff team. He inherited a team who LUCKED into the playoffs with a ONE time pro bowl performance by Michael Westbrook and Albert Connell. They were our receivers, the never performed well prior to that year OR after that year.
SO?
He inherited a poorly run team with a bad coach and bad GM. And what has he done to change that? Nothing, first Marty, then Spurrier, now Gibbs, who seems lost, needing Gregg William's defense to bail him out.

Get your facts straight. Stop spinning yours

[Tio]

First Trent Green was basically a rookie. We groomed him, and he was playing like an NFL starter. Had we kept green we would have been a better franchise.
He would have been the trent green he is today. What are you talking about???? Thats like saying Aikman wasn't good in Dallas his first year or two.

And no Brad Johnson had 1 great year in washington, and he was mediocre when tampa won the superbowl.

He is not that old and not a starting qb because he is and has always been mediocre except in the skins playoff year.Well, I happen to think Trent benefits from priest holmes and the chiefs OL. Who knows how he turns out with Marty ball and spurrier, you might have another patrick ramsey on your hands.

[MichaelWinicki]

Jerry got lucky:rolleyes:, you are so ignorant.

Jerry saw the oppurtunity to trade a great RB for all of those picks, he didn't get lucky. He could have easily kept Walker, and he had to choose who to take with those picks. With it he helped build one of the greatest olines in the nfl.

It doesn't matter how long Jerry has been an owner, he had much more success than Snyder, and Snyder inherited a playoff team. Jerry got great talents like Novacheck, Deion and Haley that helped put our team over the top. Jerry overrall ran his team the way it was supposed to be run, Snyder has had to have continually cut and trade good players because of his stupid decisions.


Tio, there is certainly some "luck" involved. Even I have to admit that. Some of it is luck. Some of it is being smart enough to take advantage of a good situation. Some of it is having the people under you both as players and coaches reach their potential at the same time.

I see that in business all the time.

[Tio]

Tio, there is certainly some "luck" involved. Even I have to admit that. Some of it is luck. Some of it is being smart enough to take advantage of a good situation. Some of it is having the people under you both as players and coaches reach their potential at the same time.

I see that in business all the time.But is it enough luck to put Jerry and Snyder on equal levels? Heck no.

[MichaelWinicki]

But is it enough luck to put Jerry and Snyder on equal levels? Heck no.


On equal levels not... not overall. But I will say over the last decade I see more similarities between the two than I care too quite frankly. ;)

[Tio]

On equal levels not... not overall. But I will say over the last decade I see more similarities between the two than I care too quite frankly. ;)Morning Winicki, I think JJ has gotten on the right track with BP...with a few hiccups of course.

Lets never mention them again...:)

[kapolani]

So your from Texas?

That would be you're...

Pet peeve...

[MarionBarberThe4th]

First Trent Green was basically a rookie. We groomed him, and he was playing like an NFL starter. Had we kept green we would have been a better franchise.
He would have been the trent green he is today. What are you talking about???? Thats like saying Aikman wasn't good in Dallas his first year or two.

And no Brad Johnson had 1 great year in washington, and he was mediocre when tampa won the superbowl.

He is not that old and not a starting qb because he is and has always been mediocre except in the skins playoff year.

"Last I saw the boys have been a laughing stock of personnell decisions. Drew Henson." - you

:jerk:

[Hostile]

OK I will spell this out for you guys.

Jerry has been an owner longer.

Jerry got the benefit of an idiotic trade to get a boat load of draft picks.

Jerry go lucky and got 3 hof'ers at 3 key positions.

Now if you are honest with yourselves...Jerry and Danny are very much alike based on recent history.

Don't tell me the boys won the superbowls BECAUSE of Jerry. You don't really believe that do you??????????Yeah it is all about luck.

:rolleyes:

Let me ask you this, if you acknowledge that stockpiling Draft picks helped build the Cowboys into a Super Bowl winner why do you ignore the point I made about the Redskins trading away Draft picks?

Since we got "lucky" wouldn't that make you unlucky?

There are a few similarities between Jerry and Dan, but there is one very big difference that you are ignoring as well. Jerry came into the NFL and in his first 5 years in the league won 2 Super Bowls with Jimmy Johnson at the helm. He let that go to his head a little bit. Your owner came into the NFL with a swelled head. Jerry paid his dues before he was successful. Dan simply assumed he had a birthright.

2 more years and Jerry added a 3rd Super Bowl, still basically with Jimmy's team but he did pull off some moves on his own.

Success spoiled Jerry and made him over confident. Dan came in spoiled and over confident.

There's a pretty big difference between the 2 right there.

Now, I will not tell you that Dan is a bad owner, because he isn't. In fact he's a very good owner. Give me an owner who wants to win badly any day of the week over an owner like Bill Bidwell who could care less. Jerry learned the hard way that he needed to pull back and with the hiring of Bill Parcells has done that.

Can you please tell me how Dan has had an epiphany? He's still doing the exact same things he did the day he bought the team and it isn't working. Your team is going to hit rok bottom due to the Salary Cap. His football people have done a good job managing the Cap. I'll give you that. But eventually high priced players will be let go to create cap room and you don't have draft picks being groomed to take over at most of those positions because you traded them away. On purpose.

That's not bad luck, that's bad management.