McNabb's Injuries: Implications

[DWAREZ]

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=35640

McNabb is currently nursing three seperate injuries: chest and shin contusions and an abdominal strain. If the chest contusion were not problematic enough another worry for the Eagles is centered around the "abdominal strain", which could very well be a sports hernia. If so, the sports hernia will pose problematic for his performance mobility and motion wise. Coupled with the reoccuring nature of the chest contusion Donovan may struggle or be shelved for quite awhile this season.

If he does indeed have a sports hernia and it requires surgery he could be out a substantial amount of time (at least 6-8 weeks in some cases)and without surgery his performance will be hampered by insidious groin pain. They are awaiting results but many times a sports hernia can be present without a clinically detectable hernia in traditional terms. Surgery is the preferred method of treatment and usually requires a total of 6-8 weeks before an athlete can perform again.

This injury is close to home for me as I had this very injury from heavy weight training and running three years ago. I was able to exercise after 4 weeks but still had much discomfort. Even at 8 weeks, I was still not 100% and could not engage in a physical contact sport at the time. I know these guys have the best schedules, physicians and therapies money can buy, but even 6-8 weeks could pose problematic for the Eagles without McNabb.

Reid seems to be worried about the chest contusion even more because Donovan felt soreness after the hit from Sapp on Sunday. This "reoccuring" injury will not draw the sympathy of opposing defenses and will probably put a bulls eye on Donovan IMO.

Do you think that playing the Eagles with an injured McNabb makes our meeting with them in two weeks a much better scenario? If these injuries are substantial does this soften the Eagles grip on the division and NFC in general?

No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb. Yet, these injuries will impact their respective teams to be sure and may open the door for the opportunities of others. Though we are unsure of the exact extent of McNabb's injuries, we do know Reid is deeply concerned over them which of consquence, could alter the complexion of the NFC in general and the NFC East in particular.

Your Thoughts??? :)

[Smith22]

Your Thoughts??? :)

Blitz Roy relentlessly when we play the Iggles. :disseags:

[Rack Bauer]

Blitz Roy relentlessly when we play the Iggles. :disseags:



So we shouldn't do anything different then what we should do even if McFlabb is healthy? :D

[NorTex]

I hope the E-girls are 100% healthy when we play them.

Let's go toe to toe and see who has what.

[HanfordDixon]

No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb.

The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.

[BIGDen]

No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb.

The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.

So how do you really feel? :) I give you credit. It's not considered classy or PC to say what you said - but at least you're honest!

[jterrell]

This could seriously derail the Eagles.
Losing a starting QB is never easy but doing so for a long time is a major blow.

The NFCE has improved enough that the Eagles can no longer expect an easy 5 or 6 wins.

[Eddie]

No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb.

The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.


ha ha. I agree. Fork this sympathy nonsense. These are multi million dollar players. As long as these injuries aren't life threatening or permanent ... I could care less if they're all on crutches.

[morasp]

Last year when our starting QB got cut in training camp, Terry Glenn got injured and JJ was injured no had sympathy for us. If the Eagirls have some injuries that's part of the game. I don't hope for them but it's no reason to make excuses for them. Last week, Owens was nicked, westbrook was nicked their kicker was hurt and McNabb was hurt. Of all those I would say Westbrook is the most important to them. McNabb went out one year and Feeley filled in nincely. Owens went out last year and all they did was made it to the SB w/o him. When Westbrook went out last year they really struggled.

[SkinsFan06]

McNabb will find a way to get it done

[CrazyCowboy]

I hope this is NOT true......we want to beat them at their best.....

[adbutcher]

No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb.

The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.
Pretty trashy comment. I am ashamed I had to read that from a fellow fan.

[cowboys101]

as long as the injury isnt career ending or hurts his life I hope he sits the whole year for all I care. Its part of the game.

No one cared when we lost are starting DB last year!

[Dangerous Dave]

"McNab will find a way to get it done."


yeah, just like in the (hurl) Super Bowl

[cwbyfan72]

Pretty trashy comment. I am ashamed I had to read that from a fellow fan.


Well, lets be honest here shall we? When an impact player is hurting in a game, and the opposition knows this......does the opposing team let off? No. They go after him, and are taught too. Its about getting an edge anyway possible. So with that being said, I dont think anyone wishes hurt on anyone in particular, but I don't think anyone is saying "what a shame, I wish everyone is healthy when we play, so it can be that much more difficult. Oh, and by the way, the Iggs have owned us at there "best". I'll take W's anyway they come.

[Danny White]

I have a couple friends back in Philly who are Eagles fans, and they tell me the whole Eagle Nation are worried about the long-term effects of these injuries.

Now everyone knows Eagles fans are always waiting for disaster to happen to them, but in this case, their fears seem somewhat warranted.

Quite honestly, I hope McNabb keps slugging it out at less than 100%. I think if they bench him to heal him up, they'll put McMahon in and in that offense he could be dangerous. Little boy Koy doesn't scare me much, though.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Blitz Roy relentlessly when we play the Iggles.

Please have Roy blitz all-day, ...and see what happens in the secondary!

[DBoys]

If McNabb is hurting what fear do we have? The game against Oakland he was struggling throwing the ball regardless of the stats. We have played the Iggles with McNabb hurt before and won.

[Phoenix-Talon]

They go after him ...I don't think anyone is saying "what a shame, I'll take W's anyway they come.

That's a two-way street Mon Frer' CF72.

[cwbyfan72]

elaborate please

[Phoenix-Talon]

Pretty trashy comment. I am ashamed I had to read that from a fellow fan.

Much respect for standing up on this Q-one!

Nupe-one:bow:

[Phoenix-Talon]

I hope this is NOT true......we want to beat them at their best.....

Classy comment CC

[Phoenix-Talon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HanfordDixon
No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb.

The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.

So how do you really feel? I give you credit. It's not considered classy or PC to say what you said - but at least you're honest!

Sounds a little contradicting to me ...:confused:

[cwbyfan72]

Classy comment CC


I respect your ability to determine what is "classy", and you have been. But your fans aren't known as the most "classiest". I don't want to sit here for a second and believe any fan that would actually be upset that they knew a star player is going to be out against his team that week. We can be "classy" or we can be honest. Once again I wish no injury on any player.

[morasp]

As the wheels continue to fall off.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I hope the E-girls are 100% healthy when we play them.
Let's go toe to toe and see who has what.

I like how that sounds.:cool:

[DBoys]

Football is not a classy sport if you want class go play cricket. Teams do not go out and try to injure players but when it happens it happens. Remember this is a competition and everyone is out to win.

[cwbyfan72]

Football is not a classy sport if you want class go play cricket. Teams do not go out and try to injure players but when it happens it happens. Remember this is a competition and everyone is out to win.

exactly. I've stated this 3 times now.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I respect your ability to determine what is "classy", and you have been. But your fans aren't known as the most "classiest". I don't want to sit here for a second and believe any fan that would actually be upset that they knew a star player is going to be out against his team that week. We can be "classy" or we can be honest. Once again I wish no injury on any player.

Alright I'll bite on this one ...

While my response is directed toward all of your post, I'd like to pin-point on "I don't want to sit here for a second and believe any fan that would actually be upset."

McNabb's potential to agitate his exisiting injury in the groin/chest are concerns that all Eagle fans have (classy or otherwise). Here's the difference, I don't have to be upset that an opponent player is injured to know what's appropriately stated or not. It takes just as much effort to say something encouraging than it does to say something disparagingly.

For example, if Bledsoe comes up lame in a game, what difference would it make for me to say ...I really wish his injury is not damaging enough to take him out of the game?
None! I choose to lean toward the positive because ...what goes around ...!
Besides, my statement is not going to make that injury any less/more severe anyway, so why not say the right thing.

Here's the difficult part. I realize that there are very classy Cowboy, Skins, Giants, and Eagles fans out there. But as such, there's the other element lurking too. It's difficult to defend against "the other elements" and not collaterally hit the class -- it's a delicate balance. So when I see the "cream of the crop," I let them know! Sometimes my hands get dirty trying to defend against the rift-raft.

Otherwise, I'll mix it up with you, because it's supposed to be fun, not hate! Even towards Cowboy fans ;)

[Phoenix-Talon]

Football is not a classy sport if you want class go play cricket. Teams do not go out and try to injure players but when it happens it happens. Remember this is a competition and everyone is out to win.

Are you kidding me?! Football is the most classiest sport!

[Justis]

Are you kidding me?! Football is the most classiest sport! At least that's the way it should be. No offense but the entire Eagles fanbase has done more to go away from that than any.

[DBoys]

Are you kidding me?! Football is the most classiest sport!

Definition of "class(y)"

Elegance of style, taste, and manner
Highly stylish; elegant.

Elegance has nothing to do with football granted people use the word out of context all the time.

[jazzcat22]

McNabb will find a way to get it done

Yeah, I can see it now (it makes me sick to see these) his mama will be feeding him chunky soup lying in a bed with hime cuddling his TO doll.

still no :trophy: :laugh2:

[cwbyfan72]

Alright I'll bite on this one ...

While my response is directed toward all of your post, I'd like to pin-point on "I don't want to sit here for a second and believe any fan that would actually be upset."

McNabb's potential to agitate his exisiting injury in the groin/chest are concerns that all Eagle fans have (classy or otherwise). Here's the difference, I don't have to be upset that an opponent player is injured to know what's appropriately stated or not. It takes just as much effort to say something encouraging than it does to say something disparagingly.

For example, if Bledsoe comes up lame in a game, what difference would it make for me to say ...I really wish his injury is not damaging enough to take him out of the game?
None! I choose to lean toward the positive because ...what goes around ...!
Besides, my statement is not going to make that injury any less/more severe anyway, so why not say the right thing.

Here's the difficult part. I realize that there are very classy Cowboy, Skins, Giants, and Eagles fans out there. But as such, there's the other element lurking too. It's difficult to defend against "the other elements" and not collaterally hit the class -- it's a delicate balance. So when I see the "cream of the crop," I let them know! Sometimes my hands get dirty trying to defend against the rift-raft.

Otherwise, I'll mix it up with you, because it's supposed to be fun, not hate! Even towards Cowboy fans ;)




Missed my point there TALON. Coaches scheme against certain players or offenses and defenses. Say a key player on either side is injured and out. Certainly no one is going lose sleep knowing they wont face their best players. It would be ridiculous to think that. So why would I sit here and say, gosh I really wanted to face so and so today, it might make a win that much tuffer. Silly eh?. Injuries are part of the game, and sometimes determine the fate of many teams, good or bad. While i dont wish any more harm to McNabby, I'm not begging for him to get well to face my team. Its totally different "in" game when a player goes down. I wish well for the player, but if he is out the rest of the game......so be it.

[Phoenix-Talon]

At least that's the way it should be. No offense but the entire Eagles fanbase has done more to go away from that than any.

Agree that it football should classy -- and it is! Fans from any franchise cannot take away from football's ability to have class -- the players, coaches, owners and NFLPA/Commissioner are in control of that. Fans fall into a different category, and while you may believe fans represent a significant component that reflect On the franchise -- they really do not. At least that's how I see it.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Definition of "class(y)"

Elegance of style, taste, and manner Highly stylish; elegant.

Elegance has nothing to do with football granted people use the word out of context all the time.

It's easy to pull out a dictionary (what was it Websters, Collegiate, ...?) and copy down words that give the basic concepts about something. But it's another thing when an NFL player is about to get carted off the field and the opponent team players rush over to wish that player a speedy recovery.

It's class when the losing coach runs across the field to congratulate the winning coach after they've just finished a 60-minute war.

No disrespect, but if you can't see "class" in football, you really should turn-in your fan card!

[parchy]

I hope this is NOT true......we want to beat them at their best.....

And what chance do we have of that? Unless you want to have 2 extra losses guaranteed on the roster, I want the Eagles as banged up as possible.

Face it, at 100%, the Iggles are on a different level than the Cowboys. If we can't beat the Redskins, we sure as hell can't beat the Eagles.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Missed my point there TALON. Coaches scheme against certain players or offenses and defenses. Say a key player on either side is injured and out. Certainly no one is going lose sleep knowing they wont face their best players. It would be ridiculous to think that. So why would I sit here and say, gosh I really wanted to face so and so today, it might make a win that much tuffer. Silly eh?. Injuries are part of the game, and sometimes determine the fate of many teams, good or bad. While i dont wish any more harm to McNabby, I'm not begging for him to get well to face my team. Its totally different "in" game when a player goes down. I wish well for the player, but if he is out the rest of the game......so be it.

Pardon me, I may Have missed your point initially. But, there's an expression out there (somebody help me with this one:rolleyes: ), goes something like ...

"The true test of a warriors metal can be measured by the fierceness and courage of his enemy." ...or something like that -- you get the meaning I'm sure.

Don't think I missed the point this time.

[DBoys]

It's easy to pull out a dictionary (what was it Websters, Collegiate, ...?) and copy down words that give the basic concepts about something. But it's another thing when an NFL player is about to get carted off the field and the opponent team players rush over to wish that player a speedy recovery.

It's class when the losing coach runs across the field to congratulate the winning coach after they've just finished a 60-minute war.

No disrespect, but if you can't see "class" in football, you really should turn-in your fan card!

www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/)

The concept you have in mind I totally agree with. I am merely saying I don't agree with the word being used.

How about character or moral?

Class gets used out of context all the time and this is one example of that.

[parchy]

"The true test of a warriors metal can be measured by the fierceness and courage of his enemy."

There's a fine line between courage and stupidity, and I think you're flirting with it

[Phoenix-Talon]

www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/)

The concept you have in mind I totally agree with. I am merely saying I don't agree with the word being used.

How about character or moral?

Class gets used out of context all the time and this is one example of that.

Oh! Sure. Similar concepts -- why not!?

[DBoys]

Oh! Sure. Similar concepts -- why not!?

Thats what I am trying to get across to you they are not similar concepts. They are to you because you don't know what the word means.

I am dropping this issue we can agree to disagree.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DBoys
www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/)

The concept you have in mind I totally agree with. I am merely saying I don't agree with the word being used.

How about character ...?

Class gets used out of context all the time and this is one example of that.
__________________
Oh! Sure. Similar concepts -- why not!?

Just for your information ...


...
Main Entry:

class


..branch, brand, breed, cast, caste, character, style, suit, ...value, variety

;) But I get your point.

[kartr]

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=35640

McNabb is currently nursing three seperate injuries: chest and shin contusions and an abdominal strain. If the chest contusion were not problematic enough another worry for the Eagles is centered around the "abdominal strain", which could very well be a sports hernia. If so, the sports hernia will pose problematic for his performance mobility and motion wise. Coupled with the reoccuring nature of the chest contusion Donovan may struggle or be shelved for quite awhile this season.

If he does indeed have a sports hernia and it requires surgery he could be out a substantial amount of time (at least 6-8 weeks in some cases)and without surgery his performance will be hampered by insidious groin pain. They are awaiting results but many times a sports hernia can be present without a clinically detectable hernia in traditional terms. Surgery is the preferred method of treatment and usually requires a total of 6-8 weeks before an athlete can perform again.

This injury is close to home for me as I had this very injury from heavy weight training and running three years ago. I was able to exercise after 4 weeks but still had much discomfort. Even at 8 weeks, I was still not 100% and could not engage in a physical contact sport at the time. I know these guys have the best schedules, physicians and therapies money can buy, but even 6-8 weeks could pose problematic for the Eagles without McNabb.

Reid seems to be worried about the chest contusion even more because Donovan felt soreness after the hit from Sapp on Sunday. This "reoccuring" injury will not draw the sympathy of opposing defenses and will probably put a bulls eye on Donovan IMO.

Do you think that playing the Eagles with an injured McNabb makes our meeting with them in two weeks a much better scenario? If these injuries are substantial does this soften the Eagles grip on the division and NFC in general?

No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb. Yet, these injuries will impact their respective teams to be sure and may open the door for the opportunities of others. Though we are unsure of the exact extent of McNabb's injuries, we do know Reid is deeply concerned over them which of consquence, could alter the complexion of the NFC in general and the NFC East in particular.

Your Thoughts??? :)

With McNabb playing hurt, the Eagles beat the 9'ers 42-3, the same team that we almost lost to. The Eagles only issue is will McNabb stay healthy, we have several issues according to Parcells, our pass rush, our secondary, our special teams, our offensive line. I have another issue myself. How will Bledsoe play against a defense with a pass rush. His history has been not very good against elite defenses. In a couple of weeks we might be better, but more than likely, so will our opposition.

[Sportsbabe]

No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb.

The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.

Amen to that. It's sports competition ... nothing personal and no malice intended. I just want to have more wins than everyone else .... by any means necessary :shootfoot :rake:

[parchy]

Amen to that. It's sports competition ... nothing personal and no malice intended. I just want to have more wins than everyone else .... by any means necessary :shootfoot :rake:

I agree completely. If McNabb being out/injured means we have a better shot of getting to the playoffs, I don't understand how you can be opposed to that.

[Phoenix-Talon]

[QUOTE=Sportsbabe]Amen...
Look up the word when you get a chance.

It's sports competition ... nothing personal and no malice intended. I just want to have more wins than everyone else ....
Your interpretations seems to be ...impersonal and non-malice = winning with severe predjudice and all costs!

Hmmm!?:confused:

by any means necessary
Your ends do not justify your means.

[Sportsbabe]

Football is not a classy sport if you want class go play cricket.
:laugh2: Other alternatives would be golf, chess & tiddly winks.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Originally Posted by HanfordDixon
The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.

Amen to that. It's sports competition ... nothing personal and no malice intended. I just want to have more wins than everyone else .... by any means necessary

[QUOTE=parchy]I agree completely. If McNabb being out/injured means we have a better shot of getting to the playoffs, I don't understand how you can be opposed to that

Do you guys rermember (I htink it was the Giants coach) last year when a Player (play-maker; can't recall his name, but you may remember) was 1 or 2 minutes late for a meeting and the coach benched him. This was a pivotal Player and it could have meant the team winning or losing, but the Coach kept His word and was citticzed for doing so.

Well ...that's called ethics. Look it up! No malice Intended!

[Qwickdraw]

Mcnabb is starting to sound like the new McNair.

[cwbyfan72]

Pardon me, I may Have missed your point initially. But, there's an expression out there (somebody help me with this one:rolleyes: ), goes something like ...

"The true test of a warriors metal can be measured by the fierceness and courage of his enemy." ...or something like that -- you get the meaning I'm sure.

Don't think I missed the point this time.

Well Pheonix, you can live in that Shakespearean world if you want. i choose to live on this planet, in this NFL, where players and team win with whatever edge they can get. That my friend is the real world. Do you see unicorns in your world? I here they're quite a site.

[Sportsbabe]

Phoenix-Talon: are you for real or just a figment of your imagination?

[Hollywood Henderson]

I can hear the zimmy wuss lead defensive meetings now...

"McChunky soup is hurting. we CAN'T rush him now, he is like a hurt bear, we must avoid any contact with him...maybe only rush 2 players, yeah thats it, more SS on the field who don't cover well for less rushers, yeah, thats the ticket"! :laugh2:

[cwbyfan72]

Avoid all injured players with the ball!!! They may become more injured, and we dont want that!!! I mean we should lose this game so they get healthy, then we can really judge our team! LOLOLOLOL RIDICULOUS!!

[Sportsbabe]

Avoid all injured players with the ball!!! They may become more injured, and we dont want that!!! I mean we should lose this game so they get healthy, then we can really judge our team! LOLOLOLOL RIDICULOUS!!
:laugh2: Do not, I repeat, do not under any circumstances attempt to tackle the ailing QB, with the rib problem, up high. Take his feet out from under him. If he steps out of your "textbook" tackle, that's OK. What's important is not causing any further injury to an already ailing division leading QB. Also, it wouldn't be ethical and Mike Ditka would be rolling over in his grave.

[DBoys]

Lets play the example game...

Take Ultimate Fighting Championship for example.

It is Talon vs. DBoys.

In the second round Talon kicks me in the nose and breaks it. He then helps me off the ground does that then make UFC a classy sport?

[1fisher]

Lets play the example game...

Take Ultimate Fighting Championship for example.

It is Talon vs. DBoys.

In the second round Talon kicks me in the nose and breaks it. He then helps me off the ground does that then make UFC a classy sport?

Look PT is happy because his team has won the NFC Championship three consecutive years and they have also been on top of the EAST for several years...... Everything is hunky dorry with him right now and there's no need to argue with him.... he's always right and won't back down! :cool:

DBoys, I agree with you though.. :D

[cwbyfan72]

Look PT is happy because his team has won the NFC Championship three consecutive years and they have also been on top of the EAST for several years...... Everything is hunky dorry with him right now and there's no need to argue with him.... he's always right and won't back down! :cool:

DBoys, I agree with you though.. :D

Back down.....I'm waiting for a response to my last post. One that actually applies to the year 2005.

[TobiasEagle77]

A couple thoughts.

- McNabb's injuries will have to be pretty serious for him to be pulled. McNabb doesn't like sitting, he has played hurt many a time before. We need every win we can get this year, IMO.

- The Eagles ARE significantly worse without McNabb. McMahon is still learning the offense. Detmer is incapable of stretching the field, though he does know the offense inside and out.

- The stretch of games we won with Feeley is overblown a bit. Eagles fans are as guilty of this as anyone else. We faced a very easy schedule with Feeley. We only faced one team with a winning record - the Giants and we lost that game. Detmer started the game against the 49ers (a 10-6 team) and played lights out, but their defense was ranked 18th in points allowed and this was an unusual performance from Detmer.

- We have a difficult stretch of games coming up: @KC, @Dallas, bi-week, San Diego, @Denver, @Washington, Dallas, @NYG, then Green Bay in Philly. Reid might decide to rest him after the bi-week, but I imagine he'll want McNabb in for our division games.

Basicly, I think Reid will play McNabb unless the team doctors refuse to clear him, like they did for Terrell Owens last year.

[Danny White]

[QUOTE]
Look up the word when you get a chance.

It is a Hebrew word meaning "verily" or "it is so" or "I agree."

Sportsbabe's usage of it falls most closely with "verily" or "I agree."

[Phoenix-Talon]

[QUOTE=cwbyfan72]...i choose to live on this planet. Do you see unicorns in your world? I here they're quite a site.

Whatever you hear; whatevers in your sight ...:rolleyes:

[DBoys]

Talon ain't afraid to go to other team forums and mix it up thats for sure. Your ok in my book and have balls the size of watermelons :)

[cwbyfan72]

[QUOTE]

Whatever you hear; whatevers in your sight ...:rolleyes:


Sorry Mr. Talon, I'll be more conscious about my grammar.......Will I still get a good grade in CowboysZone? :starspin I'm losing faaith in you sir. I make good arguments, and all you can do is point out my spelling?

[morasp]

Talon ain't afraid to go to other team forums and mix it up thats for sure. Your ok in my book and have balls the size of watermelons :)

We didn't hear too much from him after week one until his team won a game and we lost one.

[DBoys]

We didn't hear too much from him after week one until his team won a game and we lost one.

True but Big D is closing the gap quickly and they can start having some sleepless nights when they play us....

:iggles:

[morasp]

True but Big D is closing the gap quickly and they can start having some sleepless nights when they play us....

:iggles:

An Ealges fan hear at work was trying to say that since we barely beat the Niners after a Monday night game with a short week of preparation at their stadium and the Eagles beat them handily at home, that meant the Eagles were way better. I think it will be interesting to see how we play the the Raiders at Oakland after the Eagles barely beat them at home.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I think it will be interesting to see how we play the the Raiders at Oakland after the Eagles barely beat them at home.

Be careful what you ask for ...:cool:

[Phoenix-Talon]

[QUOTE=cwbyfan72][QUOTE=Phoenix-Talon]Sorry Mr. Talon, I'll be more conscious about my grammar.......Will I still get a good grade in CowboysZone? I make good arguments, and all you can do is point out my spelling?

No apology necessary Mr CF72. You see , technically I made no direct association with your grammar. In fact I curtiously placed the words inside of a sentence to preclude any :o: .

I'm losing faaith in you sir. I make good arguments, and all you can do is point out my spelling? [also ...[QUOTE=cwbyfan72]
Well Pheonix, you can live in that Shakespearean world if you want. i choose to live on this planet, in this NFL, where players and team win with whatever edge they can get. That my friend is the real world. Do you see unicorns in your world? I here they're quite a site.]

Sir, if you can see me in a Shakepearean worldon another planet, being unrealistic and seeing unicorns, then you go ahead and lose that "so-called" faith -- I don't need that kind of faith in me.

By the way, I like unicorns!:confused:

[burmafrd]

I got no problem with beating a team that has its stars injured and not playing. A W is A W is A W.

[cwbyfan72]

[QUOTE] [QUOTE=cwbyfan72]

No apology necessary Mr CF72. You see , technically I made no direct association with your grammar. In fact I curtiously placed the words inside of a sentence to preclude any :o: .

[QUOTE] I'm losing faaith in you sir. I make good arguments, and all you can do is point out my spelling? [u][also ...

Sir, if you can see me in a Shakepearean worldon another planet, being unrealistic and seeing unicorns, then you go ahead and lose that "so-called" faith -- I don't need that kind of faith in me[b].

By the way, I like unicorns!:confused:

I can see this will go nowhere with you. But, you dont have to see it my way, or the otherway around. I will respect how you feel. We have 2 weeks to find out how this will all play out. I know you are respected by some, and have been here a long time. Posting at will. Sometimes your posts are a bit insightful. Other times quite HOMERISH. To be honest, I always feel a hint of a condescending nature. So, I will quite responding to your posts as well as any other non-Cowboy fan. Not that you really care, but it will do my heart good,
:star::star::star::star: Defending the Star

[morasp]

Be careful what you ask for ...:cool:

If were not up to it so be it I think we are but if not, it will show us where we need to get better. The Niners/Redskins games highlighted some safety issues that we need to fix. I live in Tucson and the U of A is going against all these top 25 college teams and you can see them getting better because of the increased competition, and their playing some pretty close games.

[SA_Gunslinger]

nothing will set off the t.o. drama faster than either iggles backup throwing him the ball.

[Phoenix-Talon]

[QUOTE=cwbyfan72] I can see this will go nowhere with you. But, you dont have to see it my way, or the otherway around. I will respect how you feel. We have 2 weeks to find out how this will all play out.

Fair enough. See you then.

[Wolverine]

I do not think McNabb is the best QB in the NFL but he is still a very good QB. But even as much as I hate the Eagles I totally respect how tuff McNabb is and how is playin badly hurt for the team to keep winning. McNabb is a big time warrior and mad props to him.


Oh and RoyDestroy. You might wanna get a new sig. If you got to see the 9er-Cowboy game you would see Bledsoe aint a statue.

[CM Duck]

first of all, I think the chest bruise is a "created" ongoing injury that gives that jabroni an excuse next time a big game is on the line and he starts to lose his breath again.


remember a couple of years ago when espn made a big deal about McNever's offseason workouts, as if he was the next jerry rice or walter payton. Whatever. if his offseason workout is so great, then why does he lose it at the end of the game?


Anyways, even with saying this, I would prefer the game Oct 9th to at least start out with both teams at "full strength". Whatever Doomsday does to McNever, T/O, and co. once the game starts happens. Plus the scariest eagle out there right now is westbrook IMO.


I can't wait for that game! I will be there.

first we gotta deal with randy moss!

[dallasblue05]

I hope the E-girls are 100% healthy when we play them.

Let's go toe to toe and see who has what.

I like your point, but I dont exactly agree at this point. I dont really care how we beat them at this point, as long as there is a "W" at the end of the game........for now, I'd rather play them hurt, because I dont know if we are completely ready for them yet......I know it'd be a great game, but if there's any question, mcnasty being hurt helps a lot, and I'll take it!!!!!

[TheSkaven]

Believe it or not, there were reports from local sports radio here that the Eagles were seriously considering playing McNabb for the Chiefs game, then resting him against the Cowboys because they have a BYE the following week (two consecutive weeks of rest). They really do understimate our team.

[dallasblue05]

Believe it or not, there were reports from local sports radio here that the Eagles were seriously considering playing McNabb for the Chiefs game, then resting him against the Cowboys because they have a BYE the following week (two consecutive weeks of rest). They really do understimate our team.

I say bring it on, I dont care how we beat them!!!!! Bring it

[DWAREZ]

I do not think McNabb is the best QB in the NFL but he is still a very good QB. But even as much as I hate the Eagles I totally respect how tuff McNabb is and how is playin badly hurt for the team to keep winning. McNabb is a big time warrior and mad props to him.


Oh and RoyDestroy. You might wanna get a new sig. If you got to see the 9er-Cowboy game you would see Bledsoe aint a statue.

The sig is a joke..got a sense of humor??? :)

[Verdict]

Alright I'll bite on this one ...

While my response is directed toward all of your post, I'd like to pin-point on "I don't want to sit here for a second and believe any fan that would actually be upset."

McNabb's potential to agitate his exisiting injury in the groin/chest are concerns that all Eagle fans have (classy or otherwise). Here's the difference, I don't have to be upset that an opponent player is injured to know what's appropriately stated or not. It takes just as much effort to say something encouraging than it does to say something disparagingly.

For example, if Bledsoe comes up lame in a game, what difference would it make for me to say ...I really wish his injury is not damaging enough to take him out of the game?
None! I choose to lean toward the positive because ...what goes around ...!
Besides, my statement is not going to make that injury any less/more severe anyway, so why not say the right thing.

Here's the difficult part. I realize that there are very classy Cowboy, Skins, Giants, and Eagles fans out there. But as such, there's the other element lurking too. It's difficult to defend against "the other elements" and not collaterally hit the class -- it's a delicate balance. So when I see the "cream of the crop," I let them know! Sometimes my hands get dirty trying to defend against the rift-raft.

Otherwise, I'll mix it up with you, because it's supposed to be fun, not hate! Even towards Cowboy fans ;)



I believe everyone has the right to freedom of speech, and their own opinion. In my humble opinion, this politically correct stuff has gone WAY too far. I think it is entirely appropriate for a poster to say that he doesn't mind facing the Eagles at less than 100%.

I would guess that a full 90% of this board was pleased by the misery faced by the Eagles this past offseason with Owens' antics, the issues with Westbrook, et al. I will include myself in that category.

While I doubt most fans would wish injury upon a player that is life threatening, or causes permanent injury to a player I am sure that most fans WOULD be happy that IF a player was going to be injured, they would be happy it is an opponents' player rather than his own team, and that if an impact player on another team was going to be out of commission for a week, well then it might as well be the week we play them. To say otherwise, is, in most instances a fallacy.

I will carry it a step further, that, if most Cowboys fans were truthful, if a team HAD to have a player be injured that 80+ percent would say that they would choose an Eagles player be injured over most other teams based on the fact that the fans of YOUR team, the Eagles, cheered while M. Irvin lay motionless on the ground, POSSIBLY paralyzed. That was REALLY classless.

I respect the fact that many of you say you really want to face the Eagles at 100%. I also respect the fact that many posters have the fortitude to buck political correctness and say they would be pleased to face the Eagles at less than 100%. I fully support posters right to advocate both positions.

Our founding fathers fought and DIED for, among other things, the right to freedom of speech. Do not surrender that right for any reason, for any purpose, no matter the rationale.

Ok, I am off my soapbox now.

[Phoenix-Talon]

[QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE=Verdict]I believe everyone has the right to freedom of speech, and their own opinion.

Verdict ...seriously no disrespect! But don't wave the flag in my face on this one. I love the rights and freedoms that go along with freedom of speech, etc -- I've served my country and fought for those same liberties. We're all Americans here (at least most of us). But you don't rush into a movie theater and shout fire just because you don't like the movie (clarification ...you don't have to make dirty remarks about an injured player just because you think it will raise your team's chances of victory)!

In my humble opinion, this politically correct stuff has gone WAY too far I think it is entirely appropriate for a poster to say that he doesn't mind facing the Eagles at less than 100%

Have you read some of the Posts clearly here? You've minimized this issue significantly! Here's some quotes for you to review again ...

Quotes

Originally Posted by HanfordDixon
No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb.

The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.

ha ha. I agree. Fork this sympathy nonsense. These are multi million dollar players. As long as these injuries aren't life threatening or permanent ... I could care less if they're all on crutches

as long as the injury isnt career ending or hurts his life I hope he sits the whole year for all I care. Its part of the game

Is that enough examples to convince you that we're not talking about the mentality of meeting an opponent team less than 100 percent -- we're talking about advocating injury to encourage enthusiastic support. You're wrong about your observations.

I would guess that a full 90% of this board was pleased by the misery faced by the Eagles this past offseason with Owens' antics, the issues with Westbrook, et al. I will include myself in that category.

Huh!? ...different topic. You must have cut and pasted this post (sorry, that was rude of me -- I witdraw that statement).

While I doubt most fans would wish injury upon a player that is life threatening, or causes permanent injury to a player I am sure that most fans WOULD be happy that IF a player was going to be injured, they would be happy it is an opponents' player rather than his own team,

You're stepping all over your tongue with contradictions here. Stop it!

I will carry it a step further, that, if most Cowboys (are you speaking for "most" Cowboy fans?) fans were truthful (are you saying "most" Cowboy fans are not truthful?),

...YOUR team, the Eagles, cheered while M. Irvin lay motionless on the ground, POSSIBLY paralyzed. That was REALLY classless.

Hell yeah that was a classless act by some of my fellow fans! I've always loved the way Michael Irvin played football -- he's one of my best NFL personalities/players. I would really have liked to still see him scoring touchdowns. But you're using that old argument to insight and garner support from fellow Cowboy fans to support what you're saying. Actually you're challenging their intelligence because you think they can't see through your weak justification via your use of a sensitive issue between our two teams.

Listen you've heard the expression "two wrongs, don't make a right" well ...there are classless fans in all franchises and in all sports. You choose which side of ethics you'd Like to be placed! So don't try to make your point by pouring salt into some old wounds. That's low!

Our founding fathers fought and DIED for, among other things, the right to freedom of speech. Do not surrender that right for any reason, for any purpose, no matter the rationale.

Yada, yada yada ...listen, I fought -- did you (if you did, I applaud you; if you didn't, then what do you know about putting your life on the line?) Many of my Uncles, and Other relatives spilled American blood. What's your point -- that doesn't belong in this post and it's inappropriate.

Ok, I am off my soapbox now.

You were never on a the proverbial "soap box."

This post is about ethics, not freedom of speech! No one is saying shut up! Some of us are saying sometimes it's best to be quiet and let people suspect you're a fool (third person use) than to remove all doubt by opening your mouth and inserting your foot!

[cwbyfan72]

Brought me out of the woodworks here. I'm gonna cut to the chase. We don't like the Eagles. Never have, never will. Talon, no offense, but you post on here like some debating politician. I agree the whole "died for our country" thing was a bit too far, but this whole discussion has gone too far. I think what we are trying to say is..........we don't care if an oppposing teams key player is hurt, and we get the win. It doesn't make it less sweet if we win any other way. A WIN IS A WIN. Your initial debate was, "the true test of a warriors metal can be measured by the fierceness an courage of his enemy". I mean, where do you pull this stuff out? Every team in the NFL is courageous and fierce on any Sunday. I've got couple of quotes for ya Talon. "There is nothing like the sight of an old enemy down on his luck" "win any way as long as you can get away with it. Nice guys finish last" Its football Talon, not the battle of Bunker Hill.

[Verdict]

[QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE]

Verdict ...seriously no disrespect! But don't wave the flag in my face on this one. I love the rights and freedoms that go along with freedom of speech, etc -- I've served my country and fought for those same liberties. We're all Americans here (at least most of us). But you don't rush into a movie theater and shout fire just because you don't like the movie (clarification ...you don't have to make dirty remarks about an injured player just because you think it will raise your team's chances of victory)!


Have you read some of the Posts clearly here? You've minimized this issue significantly! Here's some quotes for you to review again ...

Quotes

Originally Posted by HanfordDixon
No one credible desires to see an outstanding player hurt like Rodney Harrison, Spikes and a Donovan McNabb.

The hell I don't. I hope every damn starter is injured when we play them. So does everybody else. Cheer for injuries? You're damn right I do.

ha ha. I agree. Fork this sympathy nonsense. These are multi million dollar players. As long as these injuries aren't life threatening or permanent ... I could care less if they're all on crutches

as long as the injury isnt career ending or hurts his life I hope he sits the whole year for all I care. Its part of the game

Is that enough examples to convince you that we're not talking about the mentality of meeting an opponent team less than 100 percent -- we're talking about advocating injury to encourage enthusiastic support. You're wrong about your observations.



Huh!? ...different topic. You must have cut and pasted this post (sorry, that was rude of me -- I witdraw that statement).



You're stepping all over your tongue with contradictions here. Stop it!



...

Hell yeah that was a classless act by some of my fellow fans! I've always loved the way Michael Irvin played football -- he's one of my best NFL personalities/players. I would really have liked to still see him scoring touchdowns. But you're using that old argument to insight and garner support from fellow Cowboy fans to support what you're saying. Actually you're challenging their intelligence because you think they can't see through your weak justification via your use of a sensitive issue between our two teams.

Listen you've heard the expression "two wrongs, don't make a right" well ...there are classless fans in all franchises and in all sports. You choose which side of ethics you'd Like to be placed! So don't try to make your point by pouring salt into some old wounds. That's low!



Yada, yada yada ...listen, I fought -- did you (if you did, I applaud you; if you didn't, then what do you know about putting your life on the line?) Many of my Uncles, and Other relatives spilled American blood. What's your point -- that doesn't belong in this post and it's inappropriate.



You were never on a the proverbial "soap box."

This post is about ethics, not freedom of speech! No one is saying shut up! Some of us are saying sometimes it's best to be quiet and let people suspect you're a fool (third person use) than to remove all doubt by opening your mouth and inserting your foot!

In response to the first comment I think you are dead wrong. This is not about flag waving. This is about the politically correct bandwagon attemting to suppress freedom of speech. You give lip service to freedom of speech, say it is a wonderful thing, but then, give examples of speech that YOU define as unacceptable based on its content. Your point is that they should not be saying it. A fundamental tenet of freedom of speech is that you have to give unpopular speech its due, or there is no freedom of speech at all. Think about that.

If you served in the armed forces, I applaud you for that. On the other hand, that SHOULD make you that much more protective of your own rights, and the rights of others to express themselves. If I had fought for a cause, only to have others give away the rights I fought for, quite frankly it would **** me off to no end.

Lastly, while there is freedom of speech in America (as least to the extent the country hasn't already eroded it) this is a private message board and they can allow or not allow what they want. That being said, these discussions are what make this message board the best.

Also, you should reread my post as there are several things that I did not express an opinion on one way or the other, and you commented about what you THOUGHT my position might be.

[Phoenix-Talon]

[QUOTE=Verdict ... there are several things that I did not express an opinion on one way or the other, and you commented about what you THOUGHT my position might be.

Such as ...?

[TobiasEagle77]

Believe it or not, there were reports from local sports radio here that the Eagles were seriously considering playing McNabb for the Chiefs game, then resting him against the Cowboys because they have a BYE the following week (two consecutive weeks of rest). They really do understimate our team.
I doubt those reports were true. A loss to the Cowboys would be much worse than a loss to Kansas City.

[Verdict]

Hell yeah that was a classless act by some of my fellow fans! I've always loved the way Michael Irvin played football -- he's one of my best NFL personalities/players. I would really have liked to still see him scoring touchdowns. But you're using that old argument to insight and garner support from fellow Cowboy fans to support what you're saying. Actually you're challenging their intelligence because you think they can't see through your weak justification via your use of a sensitive issue between our two teams.

My reading of this response is that you are assuming I "hope" for one of your players to get hurt and am bringing up this event to support my position. If that is not what you meant, then I was mistaken. I have not expressed a position on it in this thread, one way or the other, my gripe is with the politically correct police. I thought that was clear.

Just so we are clear...I do not wish injury upon McNabb, but do I still hope he is less than 100% in a couple of weeks (when you play us), yes I do. Do I hope Roy whacks him in the chest, good and hard, yes I do. Do I hope he ends up missing the game? Uh, yes, I do.

Last year I think I commented about Roy putting a good lick on T. Owens and he ended up getting hurt. I am not superstitious though. :laugh2:

[DWAREZ]

The sports hernia is verified bad news for the Eagles fans..OUCH!!

[Phoenix-Talon]

[QUOTE=Verdict]...I thought that was clear. Just so we are clear...I do not wish injury upon McNabb, but...I hope Roy whacks him in the chest, good and hard, yes I do. Do I hope he ends up missing the game? Uh, yes, I do.

What a humanitarian. Oh yeah ...that was as clear as mud.

Last year I think I commented about Roy putting a good lick on T. Owens and he ended up getting hurt. I am not superstitious though.

You've really got a gift ...perhaps you could win the lottery and buy the Cowboys' franchise. But I thought voodoo was illegal ?:rolleyes:

[Phoenix-Talon]

A loss to the Cowboys would be much worse than a loss to Kansas City.

TE77, You sure got that right!;)

[1fisher]

TE77, You sure got that right!;) PT, Give us some stats on how often you visit this board vs eagle boards..... nah, on second thought, forget it.......... :D

[Phoenix-Talon]

PT, Give us some stats on how often you visit this board vs eagle boards..... nah, on second thought, forget it.......... :D


Eagle Boards 45% (different Sig Name)
CBZ ............40% (Phoenix-Talon)
Opponent Team (prior to the game) 10%
Falcons Board 5%(Dragon-Eagle)

1F -- What was the name of that Eagles player you went to college with or somehow you knw him? I think his name was Michael ________?

[1fisher]

Eagle Boards 45% (different Sig Name)
CBZ ............40% (Phoenix-Talon)
Opponent Team (prior to the game) 10%
Falcons Board 5%(Dragon-Eagle)

1F -- What was the name of that Eagles player you went to college with or somehow you knw him? I think his name was Michael ________?

Michael Haddix..... give me some stats!!! I know he played a few years with the eagles and at least one with the packers.


40%....dang you're fascinated with this place....... :laugh2:

[Phoenix-Talon]

Michael Haddix..... give me some stats!!! I know he played a few years with the eagles and at least one with the packers.

I'm on it -- may take some time.

[QUOTE] 40%....dang you're fascinated with this place

No more or less than the Giants or the Skins.

[1fisher]

[QUOTE=1fisher]Michael Haddix..... give me some stats!!! I know he played a few years with the eagles and at least one with the packers.

I'm on it -- may take some time.



No more or less than the Giants or the Skins.

Post stats for MH in a different thread.... I might forget about this one.