Michael Irvin Interview on TXCN: Pete Hunter, other things..(From another board)

[Bluefin]

Michael Irvin Interview on TXCN: Pete Hunter, other things..


Michael Irvin was on TXCN thursday night. He said he has been hanging around valley ranch quite a bit lately, i think he said he goes there to work out.

When asked about the CB situation - which of our guys is the answer this year at CB, he basically said "all I am going to say, is they better keep looking...." The interview asked,"Pete Hunter? Thornton?" Irvin says, "My momma said if you dont't have nothing nice to say.....then don't say anything, and all I am going to say is that they better keep on looking"

When asked about Randall Williams, he said that he is a big impressive looking guy, and that he has all the physical abilities/qualities needed - he just lacks confidence. He said he just needs to go over the middle to catch a ball and just get the tar knocked out of him and realize "hey that wasn't so bad!, It didn't kill me!" and make that next step to mental toughness. He basically says that's all he lacks.

About AB: he said that he talked to AB about the situation, and that AB felt that Keyshawn was getting to just lounge around while he had to run all the reps on offense in practice. He said he told AB he should be GLAD that he is getting all the reps, and that he (irvin) used to love getting all the reps because that kept the coaches from seeing someone else possibly make plays, and and maybe moving in on his spot. He said he told AB he just needs to buckle down and that Quincy is not going to favor key over him, Quincy will be equal opportunity because he is fighting for his job - he just wants a good completion, he won't care to who.

About Larry Allen, he said Parcells just took him down a notch last year to make an example out of him for the rest of the team. Irvin said Parcells wanted the team to think, "If he will do that to the BIG DAWG, what will he do to me??" He says that LA is still a pro bowl quality guard, he just has been playing injured lately.


There was more but that is all i remember.

Later.

S.T.C.F.

• • •

I borrowed this post from another board, did anyone else in the Texas area catch this interview?

Thoughts?

Mr. Playmaker isn't too keen on Pete Hunter, it appears.

I wonder what he thought about Rio?

Irvin's thoughts on Randal Williams are right in line with my own.

If Williams can get some confidence on the field and learn how physical the officials will let him play, he could give a lot of corners trouble.

I'm hopeful LA will play better with improved conditioning, but I need to see it on the field.

Allen may need to come to grips with the fact he can no longer dominant every defender he faces on every play any more.

Can LA deal with that if it's true?

[Hot_Toddy]

Thanks for this. Interesting read.

I certainly won't dismiss Pete Hunter due to Irvin's comments. Remember when Michael Irvin stated that he thought Michael Myers was the greatest thing since sliced bread? There were also other players that Irvin commented on the last couple of years, and although Irvin is one of my all-time favorite Cowboys, he isn't exactly the best talent scout IMO.

I am glad he talked with AB. Hopefully AB heeds the advice since I think Antonio Bryant can become one of the best receivers in the NFL if he keeps his head on straight.

The comment Irvin made a while back is when he said we have no "true free safety". And this, I agree with. I love both Woodson and RW, and they are the greatest tandem of strong-safeties in the league. The one thing that truly concerns me going into this season is that we have no high-quality backup at the safety position if RW or Woodson should get injured *fingers crossed that this won't happen*

[Bluefin]

Thanks for this. Interesting read.

I certainly won't dismiss Pete Hunter due to Irvin's comments. Remember when Michael Irvin stated that he thought Michael Myers was the greatest thing since sliced bread? There were also other players that Irvin commented on the last couple of years, and although Irvin is one of my all-time favorite Cowboys, he isn't exactly the best talent scout IMO.
I'm not about to dismiss Hunter either, I was just a little surprised for Irvin to diss the corners in that fashion.

Maybe it's just the receiver in him?


I am glad he talked with AB. Hopefully AB heeds the advice since I think Antonio Bryant can become one of the best receivers in the NFL if he keeps his head on straight.
Same here.

I had hoped that Keyshawn Johnson might be willing to be a mentor with Dallas, but that doesn't appear likely.

I hope something gets through to Bryant and he just focuses on producing when on the field.


The one thing that truly concerns me going into this season is that we have no high-quality backup at the safety position if RW or Woodson should get injured *fingers crossed that this won't happen*
It's a bit of a pickle.

Roy Williams is possibly the hardest hitter in the game and strikes fear in opponents like no other safety can.

Darren Woodson, "Methuselah", is the veteran captain of the defense and also capable of making opposing trainers break out the smelling salts.

The options behind them will likely be Tony Dixon (6-1 213), a fourth year SS who's limited to in the box duty and Keith Davis (5-10 201), a second year FS who should help improve deep pass coverage.

I don't want to see either forced into a starting role.

I was truly pissed last pre-season when the Bengals cut FS Lamont Thompson (6-1 220) and Dallas didn't pick him up.

Thompson was only entering his second season and was a great ballhawk iin college.

He eventually landed with the Titans and may push Lance Shulters for time in training camp.

Thompson was my third favorie safety in the '02 draft behind Roy Williams and Ed Reed.

I wouldn't be worried about Woody's eventual retirement with him on the team.

[SALADIN]

Thanks for this. Interesting read.

I certainly won't dismiss Pete Hunter due to Irvin's comments. Remember when Michael Irvin stated that he thought Michael Myers was the greatest thing since sliced bread? There were also other players that Irvin commented on the last couple of years, and although Irvin is one of my all-time favorite Cowboys, he isn't exactly the best talent scout IMO.

I am glad he talked with AB. Hopefully AB heeds the advice since I think Antonio Bryant can become one of the best receivers in the NFL if he keeps his head on straight.

The comment Irvin made a while back is when he said we have no "true free safety". And this, I agree with. I love both Woodson and RW, and they are the greatest tandem of strong-safeties in the league. The one thing that truly concerns me going into this season is that we have no high-quality backup at the safety position if RW or Woodson should get injured *fingers crossed that this won't happen*

I doubt if Mike will be adding scout, coach or GM to his resume however, because of his experience and success in the league I respect his opinions, but I don't always agree with them.

Mike (Irvin) & Mike (Jordan) have a tremendous amount of knowledge about their respective sports but I doubt if either could achieve the kind of success on the sideline or in the front office as they have on the field/court. Jordan has already tried.

There are just some things/attributes that you just can't teach, or be developed.

Will, may be at the top of that list.

Growing up in Chicago I was fortunate enough to see most of Mike's career, and there were many times where it didn't matter what the other team did. Mike wasn't going to lose that game. More oftern than not, he willed the win. It had to be. Same with the other Mike. It didn't matter who was covering or how many people where covering him, Mike I. had the first down before the ball was even snapped. And this is a quality different from being 'in the zone'.

Whether its the NBA or NFL, talent abounds at the professional level. But only a handful really want it (victory), and even fewer HAVE to have it.

[Hollywood Henderson]

MY biggest concern is that we don't seem to have a quality DB coach who can teach proper technique when the ball is in the air...

Hunter is somewhat raw still, but should improve with experence...

Not too concerned with Irvin's comments as I am sure some others remember what Deion said that lil Kevin Mathis was going to be great too...

I do agree that we NEED a true FS...I hope Davis can earn PT because he has shown ballhawk skills in the past...

In reserves Dixon is ANOTHER SS...While Scott seems to be holding onto his job because of his gay love affair with Zimmer?

With an improved passrush, we should create more turnovers...and with an improved offense & running game that passrush is vital!

[SALADIN]

MY biggest concern is that we don't seem to have a quality DB coach who can teach proper technique when the ball is in the air...


Hey Hollywood. I hope that you don't take this the wrong way but when you played football, and I'm assuming you have. How many years did you play DB?

Trust me, or not. But it has nothing to do with the coach.

[jimmy40]

Hey Hollywood. I hope that you don't take this the wrong way but when you played football, and I'm assuming you have. How many years did you play DB?

Trust me, or not. But it has nothing to do with the coach.I believe you can either play the ball in the air or you can't and no amount of coaching is going to change that.

[jimmy40]

MY biggest concern is that we don't seem to have a quality DB coach who can teach proper technique when the ball is in the air...

Hunter is somewhat raw still, but should improve with experence...

Not too concerned with Irvin's comments as I am sure some others remember what Deion said that lil Kevin Mathis was going to be great too...

I do agree that we NEED a true FS...I hope Davis can earn PT because he has shown ballhawk skills in the past...

In reserves Dixon is ANOTHER SS...While Scott seems to be holding onto his job because of his gay love affair with Zimmer?

With an improved passrush, we should create more turnovers...and with an improved offense & running game that passrush is vital!
Deion's also the guy that told Jones if he ever had a chance to get Joey Galloway, to get him.

[SALADIN]

I believe you can either play the ball in the air or you can't and no amount of coaching is going to change that.

My point exactly ;)

[Bluefin]

MY biggest concern is that we don't seem to have a quality DB coach who can teach proper technique when the ball is in the air...
Playing the ball in the air is something very few NFL corners seem to do.

I expect plenty of coaches drill their secondaries on it, but having the confidence to look for the ball in games takes minerals.

Playing on an island in man coverage against a 4.3 wideout is an awesome responsibility and no defender wants to see himself on SportsCenter getting violated.

It's a rare gift to have the confidence to look for the ball on deep routes during games.

Darren Woodson, however, isn't living on an island or manning up against slot receivers like he used to.

Woody had at least two interceptions smack him in the back of his helmet last year.

Woodson (23 ints) would likely be a serious Hall of Fame candidate it he had a nose for the ball when it was airborne.

C'mon, Woody!

Be a late bloomer and snag 8 interceptions at FS this year.

[TwoDeep3]

I'm not about to dismiss Hunter either, I was just a little surprised for Irvin to diss the corners in that fashion.

But then when Irvin praises Carter, I have seen you agree with him.

So which is it?

Is Irvin right or wrong?

This is a common response I see when people comment on sports reporters.

If you agree with the guy you may say you usually don't but he is on the money. If you don't agree with him, he is an idiot.

Homerism is one of the biggest failings in fans seeing the team in the light of reality. We all do it.

The Roy Williams is the greatest comments are absurd. He isn't great in coverage, no matter how great he is near the line-of-scrimmage.

Half the debates on any of these boards is based squarely in homerism.

[Kevlee06]

I had the same feelings towards Lamont Thompson. 24 INT's in college. He was a 2nd round pick who got caught up trying to play for a new coach and got himself cut. I was hoping Dallas would put a claim on him to. But alas......

[CoCo1]

I'd take more comfort in dismissing Irvin's thoughts on Hunter & Thornton if his past assessment failures were players he thought would be lousy who turned out great. Not vice-versa.

[Bluefin]

So which is it?

Is Irvin right or wrong?
That depends on the subject, TD3.

And I didn't say Irvin was wrong about the corners.

I only mentioned Pete Hunter, the corner I've seen play for Dallas.

I also said I was surprised with his response and wondered if that wasn't the receiver in him coming out.

As for Irvin saying a big possession receiver would help Carter, of course I agreed.

It brings a new dimension to the offense.

I was *****ing about Galloway as a supposed lead receiver long before the Playmaker chipped in.

Anyway, what's wrong with agreeing with some of Irvin's opinions and not all of them.

I'm not going to agree with something just because an ex-Cowboy happened to say it.

I have to hold the same opinion myself.

To agree with everything a player or coach says or does is homerism at its worst.

I'll go along with most everything Bill Parcells does, but not eveything.

I mentioned earlier in another thread how upset I was last year when the Cowboys neglected to sign Lamont Thompson after his pre-season release in Cincy.

Dallas would've been a stronger team with Thompson in place of Lynn Scott last year and now.

[TwoDeep3]

So then, the receiver in Irvin might cause him to suggest a DB is lacking, but would not cause him to say complimentary things about a quarterback?

Funny how loyalties lie with the offense in one case but not another.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Good interview. Thanks for posting it.

I'm just going to hope that Irvin was dogging on the corners because it's a habit he hasn't lost since his playing days. ;)

[SALADIN]

But then when Irvin praises Carter, I have seen you agree with him.

So which is it?

Is Irvin right or wrong?

This is a common response I see when people comment on sports reporters.

If you agree with the guy you may say you usually don't but he is on the money. If you don't agree with him, he is an idiot.

Homerism is one of the biggest failings in fans seeing the team in the light of reality. We all do it.

The Roy Williams is the greatest comments are absurd. He isn't great in coverage, no matter how great he is near the line-of-scrimmage.

Half the debates on any of these boards is based squarely in homerism.

Far right republican or far left democratic platform which is it gona be Bluefiiin

GO!

[Q_the_man]

But then when Irvin praises Carter, I have seen you agree with him.

So which is it?

Is Irvin right or wrong?

This is a common response I see when people comment on sports reporters.

If you agree with the guy you may say you usually don't but he is on the money. If you don't agree with him, he is an idiot.

Homerism is one of the biggest failings in fans seeing the team in the light of reality. We all do it.

The Roy Williams is the greatest comments are absurd. He isn't great in coverage, no matter how great he is near the line-of-scrimmage.

Half the debates on any of these boards is based squarely in homerism.

U must hate QC Homie, u are trying to conjure something up....Leave it alone, I think QC good so does alot of people, some thinks he stinks, we will find out,,,,

Stop wanting QC to fail and hope he succeds....

[adbutcher]

U must hate QC Homie, u are trying to conjure something up....Leave it alone, I think QC good so does alot of people, some thinks he stinks, we will find out,,,,

Stop wanting QC to fail and hope he succeds....
A second that, talk about leftfield arguments.

[Danny White]

As much as I want Irvin to be wrong on this, the odds are in his favor that he's right.

We have a bunch of untested, unheralded guys vying for a starting position. While we homers hope the best for our diamonds in the rough, it would be more surprising than not if we found a solid starter out of this group.

Irvin may be a clown sometimes, but he knows more about the game than any of us here. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[Big D]

As much as I want Irvin to be wrong on this, the odds are in his favor that he's right.

We have a bunch of untested, unheralded guys vying for a starting position. While we homers hope the best for our diamonds in the rough, it would be more surprising than not if we found a solid starter out of this group.

Irvin may be a clown sometimes, but he knows more about the game than any of us here. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Agreed .. I dont think Hunter will be the answer at CB either. He hurt us most of the time he was on field last season. Mike knows better than anyone what an opposing wr will do to a cb who lacks ability. I think we may be forsced to find out that Mario wasn't all that bad. BPs biggest mistake to date IMO.

[MichaelWinicki]

Irvin probably considers himself a skilled "barber" too.

[speedkilz88]

Teammates called CB Larry Brown "snowball" as a rookie (as his chance of making the team) and he started on three Super Bowl teams and was a Super Bowl MVP. Pete Hunter doesn't have to be a star for this team to win again. Just a solid player who takes advantage of his opportunities like Larry Brown.

Pete should get a lot of attention playing opposite of Newman and I am sure he will get some safety help too, he just needs to play solid and get some picks when they come his way.

[BHendri5]

on that side. But I will give Irvin the benefit. I'm hoping that Hunter or someone works out over there. I still say that Hunter is the Free Safety that we are looking for. That is his natural position, it is the position he was playing when he caught the scouts eye. I know we want a big CB in a bad way, but Hunter's is a natural FS.

I'm hoping he proves me wrong, but my gut tells me I am not.

[TheHustler]

I was truly pissed last pre-season when the Bengals cut FS Lamont Thompson (6-1 220) and Dallas didn't pick him up.

Thompson was only entering his second season and was a great ballhawk iin college.

He eventually landed with the Titans and may push Lance Shulters for time in training camp.

Thompson was my third favorie safety in the '02 draft behind Roy Williams and Ed Reed.

I wouldn't be worried about Woody's eventual retirement with him on the team.

I went to the same High School as Lamont Thompson. El Cerrito High. He was a junior or senior when I was a freshman. I lined up against him once during a scrimmage Freshman vs Varsity. He was a WR and I was the DB, needless to say, he ran right by me. Didn't make the catch though, poorly thrown ball.

[BrAinPaiNt]

But then when Irvin praises Carter, I have seen you agree with him.

So which is it?

Is Irvin right or wrong?

This is a common response I see when people comment on sports reporters.

If you agree with the guy you may say you usually don't but he is on the money. If you don't agree with him, he is an idiot.

Homerism is one of the biggest failings in fans seeing the team in the light of reality. We all do it.

The Roy Williams is the greatest comments are absurd. He isn't great in coverage, no matter how great he is near the line-of-scrimmage.

Half the debates on any of these boards is based squarely in homerism.


Just curious...do you believe and agree with everything that Bill says...even if he is saying good things about QC?

IMO your argument is weak because most of us have things that we may or may not agree with when someone else says something (such as Bill, Jerry, Irvin and so on).

And trust me this is in no way defending QC.....I am more of a skeptic of his then anything so it is far from being QC homerism.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Irvin probably considers himself a skilled "barber" too.


Ouch....good stuff. :D

[TwoDeep3]

Brain - the implication is that Irvin may not see something in Hunter because Irvin was a WR and Hunter a DB. Bluefin stated this.

So my comment is simple.

If Irvin can be biased toward the offense, doesn't it stand to reason his support of Carter would also have a smattering of bias as well?

I just believe there is a double standard here. Not that Irvin has it. But the poster is using Irvin's position as an excuse for Hunter. Meaning he doesn't take what Irvin is saying literally since Irvin was a former offensive player.

Why does the knife cut one way for Hunter yet the other way for Carter in his opinion?

[MichaelWinicki]

Why does the knife cut one way for Hunter yet the other way for Carter in his opinion?


OOOH... OOOH...OOOH!

Can I answer!

Is it because many have a certain type of "love" for Quincy that they have yet to develop for Hunter?

[jay cee]

How does a post about a former player's opinion on the cornerbacks become another Carter thread?

[Maikeru-sama]

How does a post about a former player's opinion on the cornerbacks become another Carter thread?

Tell me about it.

TXCN doesn't advertise all that much, so if I dont remember to watch it, I will tend to miss it.

I have no choice but to trust Mike Irvin at this point because I cannot see for myself. I think most Receivers could determine if a Corner is any good or not.

I forgot the person in this thread who said "Sometimes the truth hurt", but that is how I feel. Let's just hope Mike is wrong in his assessment. Remember, we have 2 1st round picks, so that guy, if indeed we snatch a corner out of neccessity should be expected to play right away.

I have more curious to see what he had to say about the Offensive and Defensive Line play. No offense to Hunter but, I just have this feeling that one of those 1st round picks will be on a corner, I just do.

Should be fun to watch!!!



- Mike G.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Brain - the implication is that Irvin may not see something in Hunter because Irvin was a WR and Hunter a DB. Bluefin stated this.

So my comment is simple.

If Irvin can be biased toward the offense, doesn't it stand to reason his support of Carter would also have a smattering of bias as well?

I just believe there is a double standard here. Not that Irvin has it. But the poster is using Irvin's position as an excuse for Hunter. Meaning he doesn't take what Irvin is saying literally since Irvin was a former offensive player.

Why does the knife cut one way for Hunter yet the other way for Carter in his opinion?


And you have never done this with something Bill has said....or Jerry has said?

Point is I do not know too many posters that will not use what someone says to their advantage in an argument...or say they might be wrong if it does not support their argument.

It is just not the ones that like or defend QC that does this...it is also the ones who have a dislike or flat out hate of QC.

So the knife does indeed cut both ways...depending if you like QC or do Not....and that knife has been in many of our hands on different occasions.

[speedkilz88]

on that side. But I will give Irvin the benefit. I'm hoping that Hunter or someone works out over there. I still say that Hunter is the Free Safety that we are looking for. That is his natural position, it is the position he was playing when he caught the scouts eye. I know we want a big CB in a bad way, but Hunter's is a natural FS.

I'm hoping he proves me wrong, but my gut tells me I am not.
Hunter was originally a corner at Virginia Union. The only reason he was switched to FS was that opponents would not throw his way and the coaches did what a lot of small colleges do in this situation and moved him to the centerfield position to get him around the ball.

What got the scouts' eye was his size/speed combination. In a workout by the Cowboy's former db coach(Clancy Pendergrast) he wowed him with cornerback skills(quickness/cutting ability). From day one the coaching staff always said that he didn't have the run support ability to be a FS and is more valuable at corner with his physical skills. BP has said pretty much the same last season.

[jay cee]

Tell me about it.

TXCN doesn't advertise all that much, so if I dont remember to watch it, I will tend to miss it.

I have no choice but to trust Mike Irvin at this point because I cannot see for myself. I think most Receivers could determine if a Corner is any good or not.

I forgot the person in this thread who said "Sometimes the truth hurt", but that is how I feel. Let's just hope Mike is wrong in his assessment. Remember, we have 2 1st round picks, so that guy, if indeed we snatch a corner out of neccessity should be expected to play right away.

I have more curious to see what he had to say about the Offensive and Defensive Line play. No offense to Hunter but, I just have this feeling that one of those 1st round picks will be on a corner, I just do.

Should be fun to watch!!!



- Mike G.


I'm with you on the D-line, O-line interest. IMO, that's the key. That strong pass rush helped Larry Brown, maybe it can help Hunter.

I know the offense will be much better if the O-line plays better than it did last season.

[big dog cowboy]

Agreed .. I dont think Hunter will be the answer at CB either. He hurt us most of the time he was on field last season. Mike knows better than anyone what an opposing wr will do to a cb who lacks ability. I think we may be forsced to find out that Mario wasn't all that bad. BPs biggest mistake to date IMO.

Sorry bro I 'aint on board with that. Mario wasn't all that bad? BP's biggest mistake to date? I guess we will see but it's my opinion we won't see any drop off at that position.

[Bluefin]

So then, the receiver in Irvin might cause him to suggest a DB is lacking, but would not cause him to say complimentary things about a quarterback?

Funny how loyalties lie with the offense in one case but not another.
Deep, I was only wondering if it was the receiver in Irvin that possibly led him to diss the cornerback situation.

It's not like I came out and called Mike an idiot for questioning the position across from Terence Newman.

Except for Pete Hunter, I haven't even seen the other candidates at right corner play.

I know Hunter has the tools to become a solid starter, especially if the pass rush awakens, but no one knows if Pete has the proper mindset to handle the position on a fulltime basis.

We'll have to see that on the field.

Considering all the talent on the defensive side of the ball and the player who Hunter must replace, I don't think it's a big leap to believe Hunter will be up to the task.

As for Irvin feeling a big receiver will help Carter and that it was unfair to judge him without one, it'd be pretty easy to say that was the homer in Irv rearing its head.

Not only for the Cowboys, but also for the receiver position in general.

But does that mean Irv's claim is totally without merit?

I don't think so.

Look on the bright side, it's one less "excuse" in Carter's defense.

Q has a big, physical lead receiver now.


Far right republican or far left democratic platform which is it gona be Bluefiiin

GO!
Fin doesn't really know his politics, what would you call a 24/7 Cowboys platform?


As much as I want Irvin to be wrong on this, the odds are in his favor that he's right.

We have a bunch of untested, unheralded guys vying for a starting position. While we homers hope the best for our diamonds in the rough, it would be more surprising than not if we found a solid starter out of this group.

Irvin may be a clown sometimes, but he knows more about the game than any of us here. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Indeed.

Irvin may be right, but we really haven't seen that much of any of the candidates.

Pete Hunter had a hard time early in the year trying to play with one arm and eventually relingished the nickel spot to Derek Ross.

Hunter looked a lot better when he received a second chance after Ross' unfortunate release.

And learning to play the slot is no picnic, IMO.

There's no sideline to help out, the wideout often get a free release due to lining up off the line of scrimmage or being in motion and he has a large area to get open in.

I believe it's easier to find a comfort zone on the outside.


Sorry bro I 'aint on board with that. Mario wasn't all that bad? BP's biggest mistake to date? I guess we will see but it's my opinion we won't see any drop off at that position.
That's the question in my mind, how hard will it be to replace a starter who registered 1 interception, 8 passes defensed and 44 tackles?

Rio didn't make plays and he was a target because of his lack of recovery speed.

Pete Hunter finished with 1 interception, 4 passes defensed and and 16 tackles in about one quarter of the plays Edwards had.

Any corner is going to get beat and give up some big plays, but I believe Hunter will make more plays in return than Rio did.

It'd be hard not to, IMO.


Just curious...do you believe and agree with everything that Bill says...even if he is saying good things about QC?

IMO your argument is weak because most of us have things that we may or may not agree with when someone else says something (such as Bill, Jerry, Irvin and so on).
Exactly.

How can someone call people out for being homers and then be upset when they don't agree with everything an ex-Cowboy says?


OOOH... OOOH...OOOH!

Can I answer!

Is it because many have a certain type of "love" for Quincy that they have yet to develop for Hunter?

Not in my case.

Pete Hunter is one of my favorite players on the team.

But I didn't let my personal feeling for Hunter to get in the way.

I don't know if he's going to be the answer on the right side or that Irvin was wrong about the spot.

I do expect Hunter to handle the job, but I'm not going to say it's an absolute and I also wondered if it wasn't the receiver in Irvin coming out.


Hunter was originally a corner at Virginia Union. The only reason he was switched to FS was that opponents would not throw his way and the coaches did what a lot of small colleges do in this situation and moved him to the centerfield position to get him around the ball.

What got the scouts' eye was his size/speed combination. In a workout by the Cowboy's former db coach(Clancy Pendergrast) he wowed him with cornerback skills(quickness/cutting ability). From day one the coaching staff always said that he didn't have the run support ability to be a FS and is more valuable at corner with his physical skills. BP has said pretty much the same last season.
Pete Hunter didn't play much as a freshman in '98.

In '99, Hunter was selected an All-CIAA cornerback with 6 interceptions and ten deflections along with 2 sacks and 6 tackles for loss. Pete also recovered 2 fumbles.

In '00, Hunter was again first team All-CIAA starting every game as a strong safety and boudary cornerback. Pete had 3 interceptions, 13 deflcetions, 1 sack and 9 tackles for loss. He also had 3 fumble recoveries and 2 forced fumbles.

In '01, Hunter shifted to free safety and was an All-CIAA first team choice. Pete was also acknowledged as a Little All-American by The NFL Draft Report and received national first team honors from Football Gazette.

Hunter logged 11 interceptions and deflected 7 others, had 50 tackles with a pair for losses, forced and recovered a fumble and blocked 7 kicks while also calling out defensive signals for the first time.

Whew!

Hunter was never allowed to grow at any position while at Virginia Union and the biggest reward for the Cowboys will be if he can become a starting cornerback.

We'll see what happens.

[jterrell]

Brain - the implication is that Irvin may not see something in Hunter because Irvin was a WR and Hunter a DB. Bluefin stated this.

So my comment is simple.

If Irvin can be biased toward the offense, doesn't it stand to reason his support of Carter would also have a smattering of bias as well?

I just believe there is a double standard here. Not that Irvin has it. But the poster is using Irvin's position as an excuse for Hunter. Meaning he doesn't take what Irvin is saying literally since Irvin was a former offensive player.

Why does the knife cut one way for Hunter yet the other way for Carter in his opinion?
Pretty easy.
Irvin feels he can beat Hunter right now, today. He is a cocky WR. He doesnt see Hunter as being able to stay with his moves and is honestly stating he thinks Dallas needs better CBs.

However, Hunter is as big as Mike and much faster. He may very well have covered him quite well as bigger CBs always had more success against the playmaker.

At QB Irvin was judging the various players there not just QC and he judged QC better than the rest and also capable of being a legit NFL starter.

As usual your man-lust for the QC hating argument has lead you and this thread astray. But thanks for once again providing just a little ray of sunshine for everyone.

[Sportsbabe]

AB "ain't no baller". If that's what he was whining about. I'm with Mike, my future husband :), he should be glad he's getting all the reps. Why is he worried about what somebody else is doing? Unbelievable. Kids these days :rolleyes: .

As far as the DBs are concerned .... oh Lord, this is the last thing I wanted to hear!!! We've got Randy Moss on opening day. The outlook couldn't be any gloomier.

[BHendri5]

How does a post about a former player's opinion on the cornerbacks become another Carter thread?



That my friend is the million dollar question.

[BHendri5]

Hunter was originally a corner at Virginia Union. The only reason he was switched to FS was that opponents would not throw his way and the coaches did what a lot of small colleges do in this situation and moved him to the centerfield position to get him around the ball.

What got the scouts' eye was his size/speed combination. In a workout by the Cowboy's former db coach(Clancy Pendergrast) he wowed him with cornerback skills(quickness/cutting ability). From day one the coaching staff always said that he didn't have the run support ability to be a FS and is more valuable at corner with his physical skills. BP has said pretty much the same last season.


what I read was the other way around, that he was a Safety, that played corner one season but the majority of the time he was playing safety, and what caught the scouts eye was that he was able to play corner and that so the boys wanted to make him a Corner because of his size and speed.
FS is not used for run support like a SS is. (which is what Woodson and Williams are) FS plays pass first not run.
Really all safeties are suppose to play pass first. but the SS started to evolve into run stopping support. The first step of any Safety should always be back, until they see what is going on. the FS should be deeper than the SS, as he is the last line of defense.

[Sportsbabe]

That my friend is the million dollar question.

Actually, the answer is pretty simple. If a person has enough determination and passion for a certain thing, nothing can stand in their way. Not time, not facts, not relevance, not a horse layed out in a bloody pulp.

[BHendri5]

Tell me about it.

TXCN doesn't advertise all that much, so if I dont remember to watch it, I will tend to miss it.

I have no choice but to trust Mike Irvin at this point because I cannot see for myself. I think most Receivers could determine if a Corner is any good or not.

I forgot the person in this thread who said "Sometimes the truth hurt", but that is how I feel. Let's just hope Mike is wrong in his assessment. Remember, we have 2 1st round picks, so that guy, if indeed we snatch a corner out of neccessity should be expected to play right away.

I have more curious to see what he had to say about the Offensive and Defensive Line play. No offense to Hunter but, I just have this feeling that one of those 1st round picks will be on a corner, I just do.

Should be fun to watch!!!



- Mike G.



Mike, I hope Hunter works out as a corner, he has the ability, but he is a natural FS, not SS but FS, we need one of those too. Check out my post with Hunter's college bio.

[chinch]

if Hunter was a Miami Hurricane, Mike would be falling all over him and predicting probowl appearances.

what he told AB was spot on, but his "evaluation" skills are very biased and mostly lacking.

[Maikeru-sama]

Well, Hunter has had all the time in the world seemingly to show the Coaching Staff what he can do. If he does not pan out at Cornerback this year (I mean just flat out fails), I think it is time to cut our lossess. He probably wont have any trade value (his size maybe attractive to some), so I guess it wont hurt to try him at FS.

Yes, we need a FS bad on this team. Old Keith Davis had a standout year in NFL Europe playing FS, but it has yet to be seen if he can have the same success in the NFL. I think we should go after a Free Saftey in the Draft next year early. I think that going after one early may be a long shot because we have pressing needs at DT, WR and Corner. But if get a pleasant surprise out of some of the backups and starters at these positions, than we have to move FS up on our priority list.

See how bad investments like Solomon Page and Ebenezer Ekuban can set your franchise back. If Page would have worked out, we wouldnt have had to use a 2nd on a Tackle. If Ekuban would have worked out, we could have went after another position instead of bringing in Wiley. I am sure there are other examples and I hope I dont have to write out a similar statement about Antonio Bryant and Andre Gurode this time next year.

- Mike G.

[FLCowboyFan]

Hey Hollywood. I hope that you don't take this the wrong way but when you played football, and I'm assuming you have. How many years did you play DB?

Trust me, or not. But it has nothing to do with the coach.


I think Hollywood Henderson was a great DB! If you are the REAL Hollywood!

[starfrombirth]

I think Hollywood Henderson was a great DB! If you are the REAL Hollywood!

Did you really just say that the real Hollywood was a db? :D