Parcells Draft History?

[ghettogandhi]

I was curious as to who has been drafted with Patriots and Jets with Parcells as the head coach....Does anyone have his history?

I have heard alot of people question his personnel moves and am curious to find out if it is a merited excuse or a legitimate concern?

I must admit I was flabergasted when the Cowboys traded their first round pick ( either K jones or S jackson)

I have since moved on and hope with all my being that Julius Jones is the real deal.

[AJM1613]

http://nfl.com/draft/history/drafts

[ctalker]

I read a Len Pasquarelli article once breaking down Parcell's drafts where he had the GM role, as well as, being the coach. They article was not very flattering from what I can remember and seemed to indicate that he was not very good at drafting. I don't know if they archive all of his articles at ESPN.com but might be worth looking for.

[ghettogandhi]

Parcells 4 years as jets gm was pretty bad---- the only good draft he had was the one in which he somehow obtained 4 first round picks and got abraham, ellis, coles and becht.....other than that his track record is awful.....
for those that say he knows what he is doing are only half right...

he is a tremendous coach, motivator and gets the most out of most of his players

he is also a lousy gm- good thing we have a whole team providing input into the drafts and player personel decision making.

[ghettogandhi]

Here is his jets draft history....other than keyshawn, and randy thomas every draft minus 2000 sucked.



1 1 Johnson, Keyshawn WR Southern California
2 31 Van Dyke, Alex WR Nevada
3 62 Mickens, Ray CB Texas A&M
5 133 Coleman, Marcus CB Texas Tech
6 168 Hunter, Hugh DE Hampton
7 210 Hayes, Chris FS Washington State

1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 8 Farrior, James ILB Virginia
2 31 Terry, Rick DT North Carolina
3 88 Ward, Dedric WR Northern Iowa
4 102 Day, Terry DE Mississippi State
4 104 Johnson, Leon RB North Carolina
5 131 Burns, Lamont G East Carolina
5 145 Austin, Raymond S Tennessee
6 164 Scharf, Tim LB Northwestern
6 191 Clements, Chuck QB Houston
7 202 Rosga, Steve S Colorado
7 229 Ferguson, Jason NT Georgia

1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 56 Boose, Dorian DE Washington State
3 67 Frost, Scott FS Nebraska
3 87 Williams, Kevin FS Oklahoma State
4 111 Fabini, Jason T Cincinnati
5 134 Dailey, Casey LB Northwestern
5 141 Karczewski, Doug G Virginia
5 146 Spence, Blake TE Oregon
5 149 Bateman, Eric T Brigham Young
6 163 Ogbogu, Eric DE Maryland
6 174 Brazzell, Chris WR Angelo State
6 183 Johnson, Dustin RB Brigham Young
7 195 Hart, Lawrence TE Southern U.

1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 57 Thomas, Randy G Mississippi State
3 90 Loverne, David G San Jose State
4 123 Wiltz, Jason NT Nebraska
5 162 Jones, Jermaine CB N.W. Louisiana
6 183 Megna, Marc LB Richmond
6 197 Machado, J.P. G Illinois
7 223 Young, Ryan T Kansas State
7 235 Syvrud, J.J. LB Jamestown

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 12 Ellis, Shaun DE Tennessee
1 13 Abraham, John DE South Carolina
1 18 Pennington, Chad QB Marshall
1 27 Becht, Anthony TE West Virginia
3 78 Coles, Laveranues WR Florida State
5 143 Hayes, Windrell WR Southern California
6 179 Scott, Tony CB North Carolina State
7 218 Seals, Richard DT Utah

[ghettogandhi]

His track record for the jets speaks for itself ... take a look


1996- one star and two serviceable cbs makes this his second best draft

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Johnson, Keyshawn WR Southern California
2 31 Van Dyke, Alex WR Nevada
3 62 Mickens, Ray CB Texas A&M
5 133 Coleman, Marcus CB Texas Tech
6 168 Hunter, Hugh DE Hampton
7 210 Hayes, Chris FS Washington State

1997- a horrible draft

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 8 Farrior, James ILB Virginia
2 31 Terry, Rick DT North Carolina
3 88 Ward, Dedric WR Northern Iowa
4 102 Day, Terry DE Mississippi State
4 104 Johnson, Leon RB North Carolina
5 131 Burns, Lamont G East Carolina
5 145 Austin, Raymond S Tennessee
6 164 Scharf, Tim LB Northwestern
6 191 Clements, Chuck QB Houston
7 202 Rosga, Steve S Colorado
7 229 Ferguson, Jason NT Georgia

1998- The worst draft of the bunch

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 56 Boose, Dorian DE Washington State
3 67 Frost, Scott FS Nebraska
3 87 Williams, Kevin FS Oklahoma State
4 111 Fabini, Jason T Cincinnati
5 134 Dailey, Casey LB Northwestern
5 141 Karczewski, Doug G Virginia
5 146 Spence, Blake TE Oregon
5 149 Bateman, Eric T Brigham Young
6 163 Ogbogu, Eric DE Maryland
6 174 Brazzell, Chris WR Angelo State
6 183 Johnson, Dustin RB Brigham Young
7 195 Hart, Lawrence TE Southern U.

1999- terrible draft


Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 57 Thomas, Randy G Mississippi State
3 90 Loverne, David G San Jose State
4 123 Wiltz, Jason NT Nebraska
5 162 Jones, Jermaine CB N.W. Louisiana
6 183 Megna, Marc LB Richmond
6 197 Machado, J.P. G Illinois
7 223 Young, Ryan T Kansas State
7 235 Syvrud, J.J. LB Jamestown

2000- four first rounders and a great 3rd round selection makes this by far his best


Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 12 Ellis, Shaun DE Tennessee
1 13 Abraham, John DE South Carolina
1 18 Pennington, Chad QB Marshall
1 27 Becht, Anthony TE West Virginia
3 78 Coles, Laveranues WR Florida State
5 143 Hayes, Windrell WR Southern California
6 179 Scott, Tony CB North Carolina State
7 218 Seals, Richard DT Utah

Does anyone have the NE draft record while Parcells was the coach.?

[Tio]

did you really need to make two threads?

[junk]

Well technically Bill isn't GM in Dallas. I am sure he has input, but I think Jerry is making the final call.

Doesn't matter anyway, I was happy with the 5 win improvement in year one.

[MichaelWinicki]

did you really need to make two threads?


Would a mod please close this?

[Gill]

96 bill was with the pats

[LaTunaNostra]

Just for the record. Bill wasn't even in NY for the 96 draft - the year Keyshawn was taken. That year he was taking the Pats to the Super Bowl.

1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 8 Farrior, James ILB Virginia
2 31 Terry, Rick DT North Carolina
3 88 Ward, Dedric WR Northern Iowa
4 102 Day, Terry DE Mississippi State
4 104 Johnson, Leon RB North Carolina
5 131 Burns, Lamont G East Carolina
5 145 Austin, Raymond S Tennessee
6 164 Scharf, Tim LB Northwestern
6 191 Clements, Chuck QB Houston
7 202 Rosga, Steve S Colorado
7 229 Ferguson, Jason NT Georgia

Farrior was a disappointment. The only year he showed anything in NY was in his contact year, when he put up pretty good numbers, then fled to Pittsburgh. He was constantly platooned in NY. Terry was a bust. Ward is still kicking around as we all know. Day sucked. Johnson was a darn fine tail and return specialist who was cursed with knee injuries. And a good omen for Bill and the luck he has had with latter round running backs. The final pick, Jason "Butterball" Ferguson was the starting nose for Tuna and Belichick in the Jet's 3-4. When the Bradway-Edwards regime came in, he transitioned to 4-3, where he has started every year.

1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 56 Boose, Dorian DE Washington State
3 67 Frost, Scott FS Nebraska
3 87 Williams, Kevin FS Oklahoma State
4 111 Fabini, Jason T Cincinnati
5 134 Dailey, Casey LB Northwestern
5 141 Karczewski, Doug G Virginia
5 146 Spence, Blake TE Oregon
5 149 Bateman, Eric T Brigham Young
6 163 Ogbogu, Eric DE Maryland
6 174 Brazzell, Chris WR Angelo State
6 183 Johnson, Dustin RB Brigham Young
7 195 Hart, Lawrence TE Southern U.

Let's keep in mind the Jets lost their first round to the Pats because Tuna jumped ship in NE and then lost the first and third for Curtis Martin the following year when Bill pried him away from the Pats. This draft did stink, tho Fabini has been the starting LT since Jumbo Elliot retired. Boose and Blake were complete duds. Kevin Williams, best known for being victimized by Garrison Hearst, hung around the league for awhile. Frost was an abortion of a safety. Og did nothing in NY but aggravate.

1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 57 Thomas, Randy G Mississippi State
3 90 Loverne, David G San Jose State
4 123 Wiltz, Jason NT Nebraska
5 162 Jones, Jermaine CB N.W. Louisiana
6 183 Megna, Marc LB Richmond
6 197 Machado, J.P. G Illinois
7 223 Young, Ryan T Kansas State
7 235 Syvrud, J.J. LB Jamestown

Ryan Young before his injury was a primo young player, so much so he was the quid pro quo for "unloading" the pricey contracts of Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman in the Houston expansion draft.

Thomas is a Pro Bowler, started every game in his rookie year, the first time in two decades a Jets rookie guard had done that.. Machado is a swing guard-center, not a very good one. The rest of them fell by the wayside. Wiltz in particular cemented the rep of Nebraska dlinemen with Jets fans. Syvrud and Megna kicked around for a awhile.

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 12 Ellis, Shaun DE Tennessee
1 13 Abraham, John DE South Carolina
1 18 Pennington, Chad QB Marshall
1 27 Becht, Anthony TE West Virginia
3 78 Coles, Laveranues WR Florida State
5 143 Hayes, Windrell WR Southern California
6 179 Scott, Tony CB North Carolina State
7 218 Seals, Richard DT Utah


Of course this was the first time in NFL history any team had four first round picks. Coles was the steal. Other than first rounders Abraham and Ellis, Bill had poor luck with dline and linebackers thru out his stay in NY.

The guy who cried "let me buy the groceries" certainly did not have the best of drafts...the team he built in NE under Robert Orthwein and Bob Kraft was much more impressive. Of course there Bill only had "input", not dictatorial powers. But he was the key voice, according to accounts, on Bledsoe over Mirer, Martin, McGinest, Milloy, Eaton, and I also think Bruschi, tho not 100 percent sure on that.

The major gripe against Bill in NY was not his drafts, it was the fat contacts he handed out to those who performed for him. That's not just the seven million in dead money the Jets must pay off to Vinnie the next two years. (VT played for one mil in 98 then was given an original 1999 contract of 49 million with 19 mil guaranteed. Why so much guaranteed? Bill liked him. Subsequent restructuring just made it that much bigger a nightmare. The Martin deal was a killer, but at least Curtis earned it. But almost everyone got overpaid - Chrebet, A. Glenn, Ray Mickens.

Everyone but Keyshawn. ;) His misfortune was that by the time he started sounding off about holding out for a new contract two year before his rookie one was up, the well had run dry. Bill HAD to move him.

It was the huge payouts to good but aging players like Bryan Cox and Mo Lewis that the subsequent regime had to clean up. Had to "get rid" of a top cover corner and good young CB, had to play old men like Lewis and Jones because cutting them meant taking the hit..

Bill's 2000 draft was the icing on the coaching cake. Everything else was crumbs from the table, and he later said he thinks no one can wear both HC and GM hat and do his best. Still, with all his poor draft picks, he still did better than some of the prior legendary Jet FO dumbarses. There were no Blair Thomas' at least.

And he did reverse a 1-15 team off near a decade of futility at a time when perhaps no one else had the force of will, character, and reputation to right such a sunken ship.

[Gill]

Bill said when took over in dallas he would not make the mistakes he did in ny with the cap.

[AJM1613]

Bill's 2000 draft was the icing on the coaching cake. Everything else was crumbs from the table, and he later said he thinks no one can wear both HC and GM hat and do his best.
IMO, the two best drafting GMs in the league are head coaches as well and very good ones (I think they have four Coach of the Years over the past 4 seasons? Reid was the coach of the year in 2000 and 2002, and BB was the coach of the year last year and I think 2001 but I am not sure). Wasn't Jimmy Johnson the GM in Miami and the HC? He built one of the most talented defenses when he was over there (3rd defense in points scored last season).

[junk]

IMO, the two best drafting GMs in the league are head coaches as well and very good ones (I think they have four Coach of the Years over the past 4 seasons? Reid was the coach of the year in 2000 and 2002, and BB was the coach of the year last year and I think 2001 but I am not sure). Wasn't Jimmy Johnson the GM in Miami and the HC? He built one of the most talented defenses when he was over there (3rd defense in points scored last season).

Thats weird. AJM is pimping a member of the Eagles. I would have not expected that. :rolleyes:

[AJM1613]

Thats weird. AJM is pimping a member of the Eagles. I would have not expected that. :rolleyes:
But it is true. Three years ago in his first year as our GM he drafted 5 starters (Sheppard, Brown, Lewis, Westbrook and Brock) with 8 picks (Millons, Peters and Harrison). Millons was traded for a conditional draft pick, Peters is a back up for the Giants' offensive line and started 4 games last season for them and Harrison is our 5th linebacker and one of the best ST players on our team. All he had to work with was a 1st, 2 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th. Next year at this time we should have two starters from the 6 picks from the 2003 draft (McDougle and Smith). McMullen and Green would have started in 2005 if we didn't pick up Owens and Kearse in this off season.

[jterrell]

His track record for the jets speaks for itself ... take a look


1996- one star and two serviceable cbs makes this his second best draft

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Johnson, Keyshawn WR Southern California
2 31 Van Dyke, Alex WR Nevada
3 62 Mickens, Ray CB Texas A&M
5 133 Coleman, Marcus CB Texas Tech
6 168 Hunter, Hugh DE Hampton
7 210 Hayes, Chris FS Washington State

1997- a horrible draft

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 8 Farrior, James ILB Virginia
2 31 Terry, Rick DT North Carolina
3 88 Ward, Dedric WR Northern Iowa
4 102 Day, Terry DE Mississippi State
4 104 Johnson, Leon RB North Carolina
5 131 Burns, Lamont G East Carolina
5 145 Austin, Raymond S Tennessee
6 164 Scharf, Tim LB Northwestern
6 191 Clements, Chuck QB Houston
7 202 Rosga, Steve S Colorado
7 229 Ferguson, Jason NT Georgia

1998- The worst draft of the bunch

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 56 Boose, Dorian DE Washington State
3 67 Frost, Scott FS Nebraska
3 87 Williams, Kevin FS Oklahoma State
4 111 Fabini, Jason T Cincinnati
5 134 Dailey, Casey LB Northwestern
5 141 Karczewski, Doug G Virginia
5 146 Spence, Blake TE Oregon
5 149 Bateman, Eric T Brigham Young
6 163 Ogbogu, Eric DE Maryland
6 174 Brazzell, Chris WR Angelo State
6 183 Johnson, Dustin RB Brigham Young
7 195 Hart, Lawrence TE Southern U.

1999- terrible draft


Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 57 Thomas, Randy G Mississippi State
3 90 Loverne, David G San Jose State
4 123 Wiltz, Jason NT Nebraska
5 162 Jones, Jermaine CB N.W. Louisiana
6 183 Megna, Marc LB Richmond
6 197 Machado, J.P. G Illinois
7 223 Young, Ryan T Kansas State
7 235 Syvrud, J.J. LB Jamestown

2000- four first rounders and a great 3rd round selection makes this by far his best


Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 12 Ellis, Shaun DE Tennessee
1 13 Abraham, John DE South Carolina
1 18 Pennington, Chad QB Marshall
1 27 Becht, Anthony TE West Virginia
3 78 Coles, Laveranues WR Florida State
5 143 Hayes, Windrell WR Southern California
6 179 Scott, Tony CB North Carolina State
7 218 Seals, Richard DT Utah

Does anyone have the NE draft record while Parcells was the coach.?

Are you serious???
1996 offered a Pro Bowl WR and a starting CB(Coleman was considered a very good CB at one point). A very solid nickel CB(who is a starter now) was a good grab in round 3. He had 3 players who were serious contributors to an AFCC game team out of 6 selections.

1997: Was light but it produced Ferguson who still starts at NT, Farrior a starter at LB and Leon Johnson who was among the league's better return guys for years.

1998: Didnt have a pick until 57 and came away with a starting OT who is still starting 16 games a season for the Jets: Jason Fabini. He has a rotational DE in Ogbogu and a nickel coverage and special teamer in Kevin Williams.

1999: Again no pick until 57 but got a Pro Bowl OG in Thomas, a backup OG in Loverne, a backup guard in Machado and a starting RT in Ryan Young. What you call a terrible draft produced A pro bowler among 4 legit NFL offensive linemen.

2000: Had the best draft of that year and maybe the best in Jets history with a franchise QB, top 10 WR, top 10 DE, top 5 TE and solid starting DT/DE.

All in all BP built up both lines in spades. He missed on linebackers repeatedly. He added 2 of the best WRs in the game in Coles and KJ to go with a franchise QB.
If you had KJ as the number 2 wideout to Coles and Becht at TE behind the OL he drafted and Pennington at QB you could win a whole heck of alot of games.

[jterrell]

Just for the record. Bill wasn't even in NY for the 96 draft - the year Keyshawn was taken. That year he was taking the Pats to the Super Bowl.



Farrior was a disappointment. The only year he showed anything in NY was in his contact year, when he put up pretty good numbers, then fled to Pittsburgh. He was constantly platooned in NY. Terry was a bust. Ward is still kicking around as we all know. Day sucked. Johnson was a darn fine tail and return specialist who was cursed with knee injuries. And a good omen for Bill and the luck he has had with latter round running backs. The final pick, Jason "Butterball" Ferguson was the starting nose for Tuna and Belichick in the Jet's 3-4. When the Bradway-Edwards regime came in, he transitioned to 4-3, where he has started every year.



Let's keep in mind the Jets lost their first round to the Pats because Tuna jumped ship in NE and then lost the first and third for Curtis Martin the following year when Bill pried him away from the Pats. This draft did stink, tho Fabini has been the starting LT since Jumbo Elliot retired. Boose and Blake were complete duds. Kevin Williams, best known for being victimized by Garrison Hearst, hung around the league for awhile. Frost was an abortion of a safety. Og did nothing in NY but aggravate.



Ryan Young before his injury was a primo young player, so much so he was the quid pro quo for "unloading" the pricey contracts of Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman in the Houston expansion draft.

Thomas is a Pro Bowler, started every game in his rookie year, the first time in two decades a Jets rookie guard had done that.. Machado is a swing guard-center, not a very good one. The rest of them fell by the wayside. Wiltz in particular cemented the rep of Nebraska dlinemen with Jets fans. Syvrud and Megna kicked around for a awhile.




Of course this was the first time in NFL history any team had four first round picks. Coles was the steal. Other than first rounders Abraham and Ellis, Bill had poor luck with dline and linebackers thru out his stay in NY.

The guy who cried "let me buy the groceries" certainly did not have the best of drafts...the team he built in NE under Robert Orthwein and Bob Kraft was much more impressive. Of course there Bill only had "input", not dictatorial powers. But he was the key voice, according to accounts, on Bledsoe over Mirer, Martin, McGinest, Milloy, Eaton, and I also think Bruschi, tho not 100 percent sure on that.

The major gripe against Bill in NY was not his drafts, it was the fat contacts he handed out to those who performed for him. That's not just the seven million in dead money the Jets must pay off to Vinnie the next two years. (VT played for one mil in 98 then was given an original 1999 contract of 49 million with 19 mil guaranteed. Why so much guaranteed? Bill liked him. Subsequent restructuring just made it that much bigger a nightmare. The Martin deal was a killer, but at least Curtis earned it. But almost everyone got overpaid - Chrebet, A. Glenn, Ray Mickens.

Everyone but Keyshawn. ;) His misfortune was that by the time he started sounding off about holding out for a new contract two year before his rookie one was up, the well had run dry. Bill HAD to move him.

It was the huge payouts to good but aging players like Bryan Cox and Mo Lewis that the subsequent regime had to clean up. Had to "get rid" of a top cover corner and good young CB, had to play old men like Lewis and Jones because cutting them meant taking the hit..

Bill's 2000 draft was the icing on the coaching cake. Everything else was crumbs from the table, and he later said he thinks no one can wear both HC and GM hat and do his best. Still, with all his poor draft picks, he still did better than some of the prior legendary Jet FO dumbarses. There were no Blair Thomas' at least.

And he did reverse a 1-15 team off near a decade of futility at a time when perhaps no one else had the force of will, character, and reputation to right such a sunken ship.

I think BP did screw up the cap but I can not fault his drafting. He didnt turn that team around without talented players he drafted. I broke them down above and he did a solid job of finding talent on both lines. A couple of those dud-ish drafts were affected by having Curtis Martin and paying the NE penalty.

[Nors]

Parcells 4 years as jets gm was pretty bad---- the only good draft he had was the one in which he somehow obtained 4 first round picks and got abraham, ellis, coles and becht.....other than that his track record is awful.....
for those that say he knows what he is doing are only half right...

he is a tremendous coach, motivator and gets the most out of most of his players

he is also a lousy gm- good thing we have a whole team providing input into the drafts and player personel decision making.

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[LaTunaNostra]

IMO, the two best drafting GMs in the league are head coaches as well and very good ones (I think they have four Coach of the Years over the past 4 seasons? Reid was the coach of the year in 2000 and 2002, and BB was the coach of the year last year and I think 2001 but I am not sure). Wasn't Jimmy Johnson the GM in Miami and the HC? He built one of the most talented defenses when he was over there (3rd defense in points scored last season).

AJM, I think a lot of Tuna's conclusion about the difficulties of wearing two hats were due to his age. He often said that coaching is a young man's game. Meaning, you need considerable energy to do it effectively. In 97, he took on full control and full responsibility in NY in a highly unstable situation, under the mandate of old Jets owner Leon Hess, to "get me a winner before I die". He had to tear down as well as build up, fire as well as hire. He had to revert a culture of losing not just on the field, but in the franchise. It was all his show, and that was exhausting.

Mr. Hess (a dear, kind man, but his days of going for the jugular had been over for about half a century) passed on May 7, 1999. Bill had gotten the Jets to the AFC Championship game, and in the months before Mr Hess died, offseason 99, Bill brought in some high price FA tickets like Eric Green and Steve Atwater. These were guys who were supposed to take the Jets over the hump, but ended up double whammies: they were over the hill, and cost a lot.

I really believe that Tuna and Jerry are on the same page cap wise and FA wise simply because Bill had the same expericence with pricey FAs that Jerry did. They are not usually the best risk. Some Jets fans, irate we never got a ring under Bill, overlook what he did to restore the franchise's respectability, and cry he brought in old worthless expensvie players. But they conveniently forget the mandate he was under from Mr Hess. Win before I die. What Bill is up to in Dallas, in partnership with Jones, is an indication of how he PREFERS to build a team. No quick fixes. He had total control in NY, but also had a deadline, no pun intended.

Reid is a younger man, and has a more stable situation in Philly. I don't know who does what there. Often there are assistants or player personnel types or cap gurus who do take much of the day to day GMing off the back of the GM-HC. Reid's GM dutues could be considerably less than Tuna's were in NY. I suspect so, anyway. If he has the flair for talent evaluation, that is probably his GM "thing". But titles can be deceiving. And to be successful, the guy with two hats has to be a great delegator of authority. He can't micro manage, a realization which made Bill Belichik successful in NE. (BB claimed that is what did him in in Cleveland)

That move a decade or so ago to make the top head coaches GMs as well pretty much died out. Very few can do it and NOT lose something on one of the job descriptions. Holmgren, Shanahan, these guys had the clout and ego to demand the double hat, but calls to relieve both of some of their duties have been constant. The two jobs are too damanding, too exhausting, and too specialized for any one person to do as good a job as two good people could do. Belcihick does it well but there is a flow chart with names like Pioli and Wasnyck (sic) on it. Top executives everywhere you look. Kraft isn't letting Bill B. be overwhelmed.

However your team has broken down the chain of responsibilites, it is working. BUT, should you lose another conference championship game, expect the critics to start making noises about Reid wearing the two hats. Could he be an even better HC if the time he spends GMing was given over solely to coaching?

Bill Parcells experience says "yes".

[AJM1613]

Reid is a younger man, and has a more stable situation in Philly. I don't know who does what there. Often there are assistants or player personnel types or cap gurus who do take much of the day to day GMing off the back of the GM-HC. Reid's GM dutues could be considerably less than Tuna's were in NY. I suspect so, anyway. If he has the flair for talent evaluation, that is probably his GM "thing". But titles can be deceiving. And to be successful, the guy with two hats has to be a great delegator of authority. He can't micro manage, a realization which made Bill Belichik successful in NE. (BB claimed that is what did him in in Cleveland)

He drafts players, and signs and releases players. There is a "Cap Guy", Joe Banner.

[LaTunaNostra]

I think BP did screw up the cap but I can not fault his drafting. He didnt turn that team around without talented players he drafted. I broke them down above and he did a solid job of finding talent on both lines. A couple of those dud-ish drafts were affected by having Curtis Martin and paying the NE penalty.
Well, losing two firsts did hurt.

But we got one back for 2000 when Belichick ran off to NE.

Still, the drafts from 97 to 99 were not good, JT. It's always surprising to look back on them and see how few players managed to stick around, but I have to admit Tuna did nothing to prove his famous grocery buying contention over those years. He brought a few very successful FAs in, like Mawae, Vinnie, Cox, and Curtis. Some other role players like Parmalee and Meggett. But for the most part he coached up what he had, and evicted what he didn't like or what wouldn't get with the program (and some of that was big names - Hugh Douglas, Kyle Brady, Neil O Donnell).

Thomas and Young were his most successful pre 2000 draftees, as they started from the get-go. Ferguson, a 7th, worked out. Farrior, a high first, did not.

Someone asked above how Tuna managed to get four first round picks in 2000. It was the Jets original pick, the one for Bill B, and the two from Tampa Bay for Keyshawn.

[Bluefin]

Someone asked above how Tuna managed to get four first round picks in 2000. It was the Jets original pick, the one for Bill B, and the two from Tampa Bay for Keyshawn.

I'm excited as is with the Cowboys holding two first round selections in 2005.

I don't think I could handle possessing four first rounders.

[LaTunaNostra]

I'm excited as is with the Cowboys holding two first round selections in 2005.

I don't think I could handle possessing four first rounders.

Even the unhead of luxury of having four first rounders eventually comes back to bite you, BF.

When none of them have been busts, all are starters, and three have become Pro Bowl quality, how the heck do you RE-sign them five years down the road?.

I'm excited with next years two first rounders in Dallas too.

Will be even more excited to watch Julius Jones out perform Kevin Jones and Stephen Jackson. :p

[big dog cowboy]

Will be even more excited to watch Julius Jones out perform Kevin Jones and Stephen Jackson. :p

No kidding. If Faulk retires then Jackson will probably start in STL. That means all 3 backs will be on the field plenty this year. That is exactly what I want, no excuses for Jones or Jackson when Julius out produces them.

[ghettogandhi]

No kidding. If Faulk retires then Jackson will probably start in STL. That means all 3 backs will be on the field plenty this year. That is exactly what I want, no excuses for Jones or Jackson when Julius out produces them.


May the best back win-------Im afraid thats going to be K Jones- he definitely should be the most explosive but if julius is consistently good aka Emmit than I will be more than satisfied.

[ravidubey]

I was curious as to who has been drafted with Patriots and Jets with Parcells as the head coach....Does anyone have his history?

I have heard alot of people question his personnel moves and am curious to find out if it is a merited excuse or a legitimate concern?

I must admit I was flabergasted when the Cowboys traded their first round pick ( either K jones or S jackson)

I have since moved on and hope with all my being that Julius Jones is the real deal.

IMO Parcells is not a good GM, but he is a good judge of talent, particularly at the running back position. Parcells' skills lie with being a head coach, coaching games, running practices, and managing other coaches. He has reached the pinnacle when he is a cog in an organizational wheel with a strong GM (who is neither him nor related to him) and an owner willing to let the GM run the team.

He also won by putting superstar players in position to make the plays that win games in the 4th quarter. That means running the football, playing physical defense, and coaching the crap out of hte special teams.

The whole Steven Jackson thing got blown way out of proportion because it was Dallas, but Philadelphia, Tampa, and Denver ALL passed on the right to take the poor man's imitation of Ricky Williams.

Jackson and K. Jones weren't talented enough to warrant a top-20 selection for ANYONE. The combination of Julius Jones and a 1st round pick was simply worth more than either of those two backs.

[MichaelWinicki]

Even the unhead of luxury of having four first rounders eventually comes back to bite you, BF.

When none of them have been busts, all are starters, and three have become Pro Bowl quality, how the heck do you RE-sign them five years down the road?.

I'm excited with next years two first rounders in Dallas too.

Will be even more excited to watch Julius Jones out perform Kevin Jones and Stephen Jackson. :p

You know Barb that shouldn't shock anyone. No one had his combination of production, speed, size and combine performance. While he's not a huge guy, he's certainly big enough (poundage wise) to do the job.

I'm already projecting him as the offensive MVP of the team this year.

BTW, congrats on hitting a 1,000 Barb!

[LaTunaNostra]

You know Barb that shouldn't shock anyone. No one had his combination of production, speed, size and combine performance. While he's not a huge guy, he's certainly big enough (poundage wise) to do the job.

I'm already projecting him as the offensive MVP of the team this year.

BTW, congrats on hitting a 1,000 Barb!

Thanks Mike, there's an entry in the increasingly dated CV. :D

I HOPE JJ is the offensive MVP. That will mean the line improved, did some road grading, and the play action improved as well.

Between the tackles, around them, catching out of the backfield, end arounds, sweeps....let's see what JJ can do!

Offensive MVP and I can even forget he's out of (yuck) Notre Dame.

[MichaelWinicki]

Thanks Mike, there's an entry in the increasingly dated CV. :D

I HOPE JJ is the offensive MVP. That will mean the line improved, did some road grading, and the play action improved as well.

Between the tackles, around them, catching out of the backfield, end arounds, sweeps....let's see what JJ can do!

Offensive MVP and I can even forget he's out of (yuck) Notre Dame.


Yeah, I'm with you on the Notre Dame thing.

I won't tell you I'm a Hurricane fan...

Actually the list would go like this UM, Texas, A&M, Pitt (where I went to school)and Northwestern (don't ask why). :)

[dmq]

While you can say what you want about Parcells as a drafter, he wins anyway. That shows how good a coach he is. You never know who falls to you and who doesn't. Either way, I am happy with both our drafts. Plus, he has motivated some of the former draft picks on our team that were very close to being failure. The draft is only one way to get talent in the NFL.

[crazylegs]

I read a Len Pasquarelli article once breaking down Parcell's drafts where he had the GM role, as well as, being the coach. They article was not very flattering from what I can remember and seemed to indicate that he was not very good at drafting. I don't know if they archive all of his articles at ESPN.com but might be worth looking for.

This is the exact reason that I hate JJ being involved in personnel decisions, there isn't any head coaching emergency backup with Parcells.