Question for the Forum

[BHendri5]

I know everyone likes to disagree with me because ! I am very opinionated, and 2. I do come off as being arrogant. LOL and 3. I like to get people going on purpose mostly because I'm bored.

But we as Cowboy fans are very anxious for this season to began, for a number of reasons, mostly because of certain players and but as a team mainly.

This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?

The so called experts said that we overachieved in 1991, and they did not think that in 92 we would do as well. Last season they picked us for 5-11 again, 10-6 happened and they said we overachieved.

I'm ready, I don't care who lead this team to the playoffs but this season will be better than last season, I just believe Carter will shut up the nay sayers.

Simple question, and you can bash me if you like.
Shift change catch you guys in, hey I forgot I get a whole 1 day off later.

[Roughneck]

This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?No, because (and keep in mind that this is only a mere outline):

-the Defense, while damn good, isn't dominating like their '92 counterparts

-while Keyshawn Johnson is a good possession Wide Receiver, he is no Michael Irvin

-while Julius Jones could prove himself to be a fine NFL Running Back, he is sure as Hell no Emmitt Smith

-while, whomever the starting QB proves himself to be, may be a great fit for this team, there is no way that he is the guy in my signature

[BHendri5]

No.

Because:

-the Defense, while damn good, isn't dominating like their '92 counterparts

-while Keyshawn Johnson is a good possession Wide Receiver, he is no Michael Irvin

-while Julius Jones could prove himself to be a fine NFL Running Back, he is sure as Hell no Emmitt Smith

-while, whomever the starting QB proves himself to be, may be the a great fit for this team, there is no way that he is the guy in my signature


True the defense is good, but what they do not have that the 92 defense had is depth, we rotated a lot of players then.

And true Key is not Irvin, but he is a chain mover and he is big and he will light a fire under his teammates and the coaching staff.

True JJ is not Emmitt, he may turn out to be a very big surprise to us and the NFL, he may never be as great as Emmitt and he may never play as long as Emmitt, but he has more speed than Emmitt ever had and his speed is game breaking speed.

And true whomever the QB is he will never be aikman he will be his own person, he may turn out to be better than aikman(possible) and he may just equal aikman or fall just a ring or 2 short, but we do not know what will happen right now. Waht we do know is that it took aikman 4yrs to lead us to a SB and the current starter is in his 4th season.

That should be enough to make anyone think twice

[jimmy40]

I know everyone likes to disagree with me because ! I am very opinionated, and 2. I do come off as being arrogant. LOL and 3. I like to get people going on purpose mostly because I'm bored.

But we as Cowboy fans are very anxious for this season to began, for a number of reasons, mostly because of certain players and but as a team mainly.

This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?

The so called experts said that we overachieved in 1991, and they did not think that in 92 we would do as well. Last season they picked us for 5-11 again, 10-6 happened and they said we overachieved.

I'm ready, I don't care who lead this team to the playoffs but this season will be better than last season, I just believe Carter will shut up the nay sayers.

Simple question, and you can bash me if you like.
Shift change catch you guys in, hey I forgot I get a whole 1 day off later.
Things must be going very well over there if you're so bored.

[Hostile]

I know everyone likes to disagree with me because ! I am very opinionated, and 2. I do come off as being arrogant. LOL and 3. I like to get people going on purpose mostly because I'm bored.
I used to enjoy getting in debates with you. You never answer questions though so it is more boring than watching the grass grow.


But we as Cowboy fans are very anxious for this season to began, for a number of reasons, mostly because of certain players and but as a team mainly.
That last statement is a head scratcher. "Mostly...certain players" and "team mainly?" How does that work. I know, I know, you won't answer that.

There are no certain players for me. I am not loyal to the players like I am loyal to the team. There are players I like more and expect more of, but if something happens to that player I can go on.


This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?
Not for me until Henson is ready. Our defense still has a ways to go. I think 2005 is far more likely as a year we can run at the Super Bowl. Adding 2 first round draft picks can do nothing but help get us there. In addition we have 2 and possibly even 3 players on the O-line who have no NFL experience. A few more growing pains before they are ready. To me 2004 is about growing pains.


The so called experts said that we overachieved in 1991, and they did not think that in 92 we would do as well. Last season they picked us for 5-11 again, 10-6 happened and they said we overachieved.
I'd rather overachieve than underachieve. To me that is a compliment not a condemnation. The more they say that the happier it makes me.


I'm ready, I don't care who lead this team to the playoffs but this season will be better than last season, I just believe Carter will shut up the nay sayers.

Simple question, and you can bash me if you like.
Shift change catch you guys in, hey I forgot I get a whole 1 day off later.
Hard for me to buy that you don't care who leads the team. 90% of your posts are about 1 player. To me that is caring.

The countdown can't roll fast enough for me. This off season is dragging way too much.

[blindzebra]

We have the makings of a better defense, but because of the cap we have nowhere near the depth.

Aikman had a very good 3rd year his QB rating went up almost 20 points.

Emmitt was a proven back and Irvin was already a play maker.

The OL was better and deeper in 91.

If any comparison can be made I'd say we are closer to the 90 season where we were near .500 going into the 91 season.

[Bluefin]

But we as Cowboy fans are very anxious for this season to began, for a number of reasons, mostly because of certain players and but as a team mainly.
I think most everyone has their favorite players and hopes to see them succeed along with the team.

I have my favorites, but the bottom line is team success and whoever helps that goal.

It sucks that Derek Ross washed out, I predicted him to lead the team in interceptions, but I understood the reasons for the move and backed the decision.

Others didn't and it was their right to do so.


This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?
It's in the back of my mind.

Carter is entering his fourth season and second year in Parcells' system just like Troy Aikman under Norv Turner.

The defense looks poised to take the next step and acquired a free agent pass rusher just like the "92 unit's expectations with Charles Haley.

The team surprised prognosticators by making the playoffs last year and most don't think they will better last year's record even with various improvements.

That's similar to the story in '91, but I believe most "experts" thought Dallas would take another step in '92 while not making it all the way.


I'm ready, I don't care who lead this team to the playoffs but this season will be better than last season, I just believe Carter will shut up the nay sayers.

If Carter shows he can do the job, most fans will likely give him credit for it.

Some won't, but I'm thankful they're in the minority.

I know several posters on another board who disappeared after Carter won the job and the team was having success with him.

They returned after poor performances in the second half of the season and attacked Carter any way they could think of.

I'm simply not like that.

If Carter loses his job to Vinny Testaverde via performance or injury and the team plays better, that's all that matters.

I'm not going to put my hopes for one player improving over the fate of the team and live in a hole if he doesn't succeed.

Fans don't do that, IMO.


No, because (and keep in mind that this is only a mere outline):

-the Defense, while damn good, isn't dominating like their '92 counterparts

Wouldn't it be fair to say the defense wasn't dominating?

The '91 unit wasn't either.

The D progressed to a dominant unit in '92 with Haley, Everett, Pup, etc.

The '04 unit has similar potential to take the next step, the two starters who have been let go from last year were chinks in the armour, IMO.


-while Keyshawn Johnson is a good possession Wide Receiver, he is no Michael Irvin

No, he's not.

But Johnson is a better fit for the offense than Galloway was and he should help the unit improve.


-while Julius Jones could prove himself to be a fine NFL Running Back, he is sure as Hell no Emmitt Smith

No doubt.

But the committee led by Julius Jones this year should be better than what we had last year and make the offense better.

-while, whomever the starting QB proves himself to be, may be a great fit for this team, there is no way that he is the guy in my signature

Aikman in Turner's system was like groovy karma.

They were made for each for each other.

I don't think we're going to see that with any quarterback this year or any time soon.

However, if the defense takes the step to domination and the running game surfaces, Dallas should be able to get solid enough play from whoever's the quarterback to be a contender.

It isn't as difficult to go all the way these days and the most important piece is the head coach, IMO.

Dallas has one.

Making the jump to true contender isn't the vast leap some would make it out to be.

Dallas' offense ranked close to both Super Bowl teams last year in several categories (YPG, TDs, 3rd down %).

Getting improvement in each phase, even minimal in some cases, should really set the team up for more success, IMO.


Not for me until Henson is ready. Our defense still has a ways to go. I think 2005 is far more likely as a year we can run at the Super Bowl. Adding 2 first round draft picks can do nothing but help get us there. In addition we have 2 and possibly even 3 players on the O-line who have no NFL experience. A few more growing pains before they are ready. To me 2004 is about growing pains.

If Henson is ready in '05, wouldn't that be a lot to ask of a first time starter?

Uber-talent and all, Henson's going to have a learning curve and need time to develop even after he gets on the field.

Do you anticipate any starts for Henson late this year?

That would help get him ready for '05 and allow for more hope, IMO.


I'd rather overachieve than underachieve. To me that is a compliment not a condemnation. The more they say that the happier it makes me.

Absolutely.

Good, hard working teams regularly overachieve.

Give me a team of hard workers and and I'll wipe the floor with a franchise that has a couple of star players getting all the accolades.


We have the makings of a better defense, but because of the cap we have nowhere near the depth.

Dallas is fairly deep on the defensive line this year and Parcells is expecting big improvements from the unit and certain individual players.

Bradie James will give the team a fourth linebacker to use in sub-packages if not start.

Donald Mitchell returns to the slot after missing the entire season and the young corners should be more prepared for increased roles.

Keith Davis may give the unit an actual free safety for the change-up defenses, something I was beginning to believe was against team rules.

There's quite a bit of depth on defense and a lot of it is youthful dripping with energy and enthusiasm.

At any rate, Dallas should have more depth on defense than last year's unit and it was a very good outfit as it was.

[blindzebra]

I think most everyone has their favorite players and hopes to see them succeed along with the team.

I have my favorites, but the bottom line is team success and whoever helps that goal.

It sucks that Derek Ross washed out, I predicted him to lead the team in interceptions, but I understood the reasons for the move and backed the decision.

Others didn't and it was their right to do so.



It's in the back of my mind.

Carter is entering his fourth season and second year in Parcells' system just like Troy Aikman under Norv Turner.

The defense looks poised to take the next step and acquired a free agent pass rusher just like the "92 unit's expectations with Charles Haley.

The team surprised prognosticators by making the playoffs last year and most don't think they will better last year's record even with various improvements.

That's similar to the story in '91, but I believe most "experts" thought Dallas would take another step in '92 while not making it all the way.




If Carter shows he can do the job, most fans will likely give him credit for it.

Some won't, but I'm thankful they're in the minority.

I know several posters on another board who disappeared after Carter won the job and the team was having success with him.

They returned after poor performances in the second half of the season and attacked Carter any way they could think of.

I'm simply not like that.

If Carter loses his job to Vinny Testaverde via performance or injury and the team plays better, that's all that matters.

I'm not going to put my hopes for one player improving over the fate of the team and live in a hole if he doesn't succeed.

Fans don't do that, IMO.




Wouldn't it be fair to say the defense wasn't dominating?

The '91 unit wasn't either.

The D progressed to a dominant unit in '92 with Haley, Everett, Pup, etc.

The '04 unit has similar potential to take the next step, the two starters who have been let go from last year were chinks in the armour, IMO.




No, he's not.

But Johnson is a better fit for the offense than Galloway was and he should help the unit improve.




No doubt.

But the committee led by Julius Jones this year should be better than what we had last year and make the offense better.



Aikman in Turner's system was like groovy karma.

They were made for each for each other.

I don't think we're going to see that with any quarterback this year or any time soon.

However, if the defense takes the step to domination and the running game surfaces, Dallas should be able to get solid enough play from whoever's the quarterback to be a contender.

It isn't as difficult to go all the way these days and the most important piece is the head coach, IMO.

Dallas has one.

Making the jump to true contender isn't the vast leap some would make it out to be.

Dallas' offense ranked close to both Super Bowl teams last year in several categories (YPG, TDs, 3rd down %).

Getting improvement in each phase, even minimal in some cases, should really set the team up for more success, IMO.




If Henson is ready in '05, wouldn't that be a lot to ask of a first time starter?

Uber-talent and all, Henson's going to have a learning curve and need time to develop even after he gets on the field.

Do you anticipate any starts for Henson late this year?

That would help get him ready for '05 and allow for more hope, IMO.




Absolutely.

Good, hard working teams regularly overachieve.

Give me a team of hard workers and and I'll wipe the floor with a franchise that has a couple of star players getting all the accolades.




Dallas is fairly deep on the defensive line this year and Parcells is expecting big improvements from the unit and certain individual players.

Bradie James will give the team a fourth linebacker to use in sub-packages if not start.

Donald Mitchell returns to the slot after missing the entire season and the young corners should be more prepared for increased roles.

Keith Davis may give the unit an actual free safety for the change-up defenses, something I was beginning to believe was against team rules.

There's quite a bit of depth on defense and a lot of it is youthful dripping with energy and enthusiasm.

At any rate, Dallas should have more depth on defense than last year's unit and it was a very good outfit as it was.

The 92 team had Jeffcoat, Lett, Hennings, and Jones coming off the bench on the DL with starters Haley, Casillas, Maryland and Tolbert. Glover would crack the starting line up and Ellis would be a back up, I really can't say anyone else on our current DL makes the team.

We had Vinson Smith, Robert Jones, and Ken Norton starting at LB with Myles, Edwards, and Pruitt as back ups. I'd say our starters are close, but Myles and Edwards are much better than our current reserves.

We had Kevin Smith and Larry Brown at CB with Holt and Holmes behind them.
Everett and Washington started at safety with Gant, Horton, Williams and some guy named Woodson as back ups.

[crazylegs]

I know everyone likes to disagree with me because ! I am very opinionated, and 2. I do come off as being arrogant. LOL and 3. I like to get people going on purpose mostly because I'm bored.

But we as Cowboy fans are very anxious for this season to began, for a number of reasons, mostly because of certain players and but as a team mainly.

This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?

The so called experts said that we overachieved in 1991, and they did not think that in 92 we would do as well. Last season they picked us for 5-11 again, 10-6 happened and they said we overachieved.

I'm ready, I don't care who lead this team to the playoffs but this season will be better than last season, I just believe Carter will shut up the nay sayers.

Simple question, and you can bash me if you like.
Shift change catch you guys in, hey I forgot I get a whole 1 day off later.

To answer this question is simple.

Back in 1992 I could only think of a few cowboy players that I would hands down want to trade position to postion another team for.

We had almost the best players at every position IMO and they where still young.

Today I really can only think of 1 maybe 2 players that I wouldn't trade away in a heart beat.

The cowboys are lack luster at best today at every position and I don't buy into this always improving every year thoery. If that were the case then every team every year would always have a better record.

That's just not mathamatically possibe.

[Tio]

True the defense is good, but what they do not have that the 92 defense had is depth, we rotated a lot of players then.

And true Key is not Irvin, but he is a chain mover and he is big and he will light a fire under his teammates and the coaching staff.

True JJ is not Emmitt, he may turn out to be a very big surprise to us and the NFL, he may never be as great as Emmitt and he may never play as long as Emmitt, but he has more speed than Emmitt ever had and his speed is game breaking speed.

And true whomever the QB is he will never be aikman he will be his own person, he may turn out to be better than aikman(possible) and he may just equal aikman or fall just a ring or 2 short, but we do not know what will happen right now. Waht we do know is that it took aikman 4yrs to lead us to a SB and the current starter is in his 4th season.

That should be enough to make anyone think twiceNo freakin way. The difference between irvin and keyshawn is irvin isn't slow, and he is a playmaker.

I like julius, but there is no rb better than emmit, and we shouldn't expect to find one in the 2nd round.

There is only one qb on this team that has the physical and mental capabilities that aikman had. And he isn't ready yet.

Now, in 2005 you have something to really look forward to. Julius will either show us he is a franchise back, or we get the cadillac. RBs are nfl ready as rookies(mostly). Assuming julius shows top form, we get mike williams...well hopefully we get him, buffalo has to really suck though. If Williams is gone,
then we got DT CB or DE. This guy has to be a playmaker, he will identify our defense like Roy and Newman do now....im getting off topic...

[Doomsday101]

I know everyone likes to disagree with me because ! I am very opinionated, and 2. I do come off as being arrogant. LOL and 3. I like to get people going on purpose mostly because I'm bored.

But we as Cowboy fans are very anxious for this season to began, for a number of reasons, mostly because of certain players and but as a team mainly.

This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?

The so called experts said that we overachieved in 1991, and they did not think that in 92 we would do as well. Last season they picked us for 5-11 again, 10-6 happened and they said we overachieved.

I'm ready, I don't care who lead this team to the playoffs but this season will be better than last season, I just believe Carter will shut up the nay sayers.

Simple question, and you can bash me if you like.
Shift change catch you guys in, hey I forgot I get a whole 1 day off later.

I don't think this team is ready for a major run at a Super Bowl this year, now I hope I'm wrong on this but being realistic I just don't see it happening this season.

[BHendri5]

I used to enjoy getting in debates with you. You never answer questions though so it is more boring than watching the grass grow.



That last statement is a head scratcher. "Mostly...certain players" and "team mainly?" How does that work. I know, I know, you won't answer that.

There are no certain players for me. I am not loyal to the players like I am loyal to the team. There are players I like more and expect more of, but if something happens to that player I can go on.



Not for me until Henson is ready. Our defense still has a ways to go. I think 2005 is far more likely as a year we can run at the Super Bowl. Adding 2 first round draft picks can do nothing but help get us there. In addition we have 2 and possibly even 3 players on the O-line who have no NFL experience. A few more growing pains before they are ready. To me 2004 is about growing pains.



I'd rather overachieve than underachieve. To me that is a compliment not a condemnation. The more they say that the happier it makes me.



Hard for me to buy that you don't care who leads the team. 90% of your posts are about 1 player. To me that is caring.

The countdown can't roll fast enough for me. This off season is dragging way too much.


90% of the posts here period are about one player, it's not just me. I only respond to the negativity about that one person.

Now You say that it's hard for you to believe that I am for the team first, I can shoot that back at you , after that "not for me not until Henson takes over" That sounds like one player over the team to me.

Everry season a team has some kind of growing pains.

It should not be a head scratcher, you just mentioned growing pains, The statement mostly some players was referring to Jones, AB, Hunter, Gurode, Allen, Carter, Key, whoever the FB will be, Johnson, etc. Team mainly means how the team plays after having unexpected success last season "will they continue to Improve on last season and get better etc.

Yes, adding 2 first rd picks should help, 1st rd picks have flopped before. 2005, you still talking that " amke arun for the SB in 2005"?
We want to make a run for the SB every season, including this season. I bet you will not hear players, coaches nor the owners talking that making a run in 2005, they want to do it now, with the current Starter at QB.

I'll answer questions, I have no problem with that. I do not answer questions that I feel people should already know the answer too, or sarcastic question, your questions always be one or the other.

[BHendri5]

Things must be going very well over there if you're so bored.

Nope, I'll put it this way, where I am this time, all I due is receive reports all night long and that is all I can divulge.

[BHendri5]

We have the makings of a better defense, but because of the cap we have nowhere near the depth.

Aikman had a very good 3rd year his QB rating went up almost 20 points.

Emmitt was a proven back and Irvin was already a play maker.

The OL was better and deeper in 91.

If any comparison can be made I'd say we are closer to the 90 season where we were near .500 going into the 91 season.


Okay, I can understand that, but we had a better record last season than that 90 team, but I can understand your thinking.

Thanks

[Tio]

90% of the posts here period are about one player, it's not just me. I only respond to the negativity about that one person.

Now You say that it's hard for you to believe that I am for the team first, I can shoot that back at you , after that "not for me not until Henson takes over" That sounds like one player over the team to me.

Everry season a team has some kind of growing pains.

It should not be a head scratcher, you just mentioned growing pains, The statement mostly some players was referring to Jones, AB, Hunter, Gurode, Allen, Carter, Key, whoever the FB will be, Johnson, etc. Team mainly means how the team plays after having unexpected success last season "will they continue to Improve on last season and get better etc.

Yes, adding 2 first rd picks should help, 1st rd picks have flopped before. 2005, you still talking that " amke arun for the SB in 2005"?
We want to make a run for the SB every season, including this season. I bet you will not hear players, coaches nor the owners talking that making a run in 2005, they want to do it now, with the current Starter at QB.

I'll answer questions, I have no problem with that. I do not answer questions that I feel people should already know the answer too, or sarcastic question, your questions always be one or the other.Just because we think 2005 is our greatest chance doesn't mean we don't wanna win it all this year, we just feel our team is incapable of it.

[BHendri5]

I think most everyone has their favorite players and hopes to see them succeed along with the team.

I have my favorites, but the bottom line is team success and whoever helps that goal.

It sucks that Derek Ross washed out, I predicted him to lead the team in interceptions, but I understood the reasons for the move and backed the decision.

Others didn't and it was their right to do so.



It's in the back of my mind.

Carter is entering his fourth season and second year in Parcells' system just like Troy Aikman under Norv Turner.

The defense looks poised to take the next step and acquired a free agent pass rusher just like the "92 unit's expectations with Charles Haley.

The team surprised prognosticators by making the playoffs last year and most don't think they will better last year's record even with various improvements.

That's similar to the story in '91, but I believe most "experts" thought Dallas would take another step in '92 while not making it all the way.




If Carter shows he can do the job, most fans will likely give him credit for it.

Some won't, but I'm thankful they're in the minority.

I know several posters on another board who disappeared after Carter won the job and the team was having success with him.

They returned after poor performances in the second half of the season and attacked Carter any way they could think of.

I'm simply not like that.

If Carter loses his job to Vinny Testaverde via performance or injury and the team plays better, that's all that matters.

I'm not going to put my hopes for one player improving over the fate of the team and live in a hole if he doesn't succeed.

Fans don't do that, IMO.




Wouldn't it be fair to say the defense wasn't dominating?

The '91 unit wasn't either.

The D progressed to a dominant unit in '92 with Haley, Everett, Pup, etc.

The '04 unit has similar potential to take the next step, the two starters who have been let go from last year were chinks in the armour, IMO.




No, he's not.

But Johnson is a better fit for the offense than Galloway was and he should help the unit improve.




No doubt.

But the committee led by Julius Jones this year should be better than what we had last year and make the offense better.



Aikman in Turner's system was like groovy karma.

They were made for each for each other.

I don't think we're going to see that with any quarterback this year or any time soon.

However, if the defense takes the step to domination and the running game surfaces, Dallas should be able to get solid enough play from whoever's the quarterback to be a contender.

It isn't as difficult to go all the way these days and the most important piece is the head coach, IMO.

Dallas has one.

Making the jump to true contender isn't the vast leap some would make it out to be.

Dallas' offense ranked close to both Super Bowl teams last year in several categories (YPG, TDs, 3rd down %).

Getting improvement in each phase, even minimal in some cases, should really set the team up for more success, IMO.




If Henson is ready in '05, wouldn't that be a lot to ask of a first time starter?

Uber-talent and all, Henson's going to have a learning curve and need time to develop even after he gets on the field.

Do you anticipate any starts for Henson late this year?

That would help get him ready for '05 and allow for more hope, IMO.




Absolutely.

Good, hard working teams regularly overachieve.

Give me a team of hard workers and and I'll wipe the floor with a franchise that has a couple of star players getting all the accolades.




Dallas is fairly deep on the defensive line this year and Parcells is expecting big improvements from the unit and certain individual players.

Bradie James will give the team a fourth linebacker to use in sub-packages if not start.

Donald Mitchell returns to the slot after missing the entire season and the young corners should be more prepared for increased roles.

Keith Davis may give the unit an actual free safety for the change-up defenses, something I was beginning to believe was against team rules.

There's quite a bit of depth on defense and a lot of it is youthful dripping with energy and enthusiasm.

At any rate, Dallas should have more depth on defense than last year's unit and it was a very good outfit as it was.


Great post.

[BHendri5]

If Carter shows he can do the job, most fans will likely give him credit for it.

Some won't, but I'm thankful they're in the minority.

I know several posters on another board who disappeared after Carter won the job and the team was having success with him.

They returned after poor performances in the second half of the season and attacked Carter any way they could think of.

I'm simply not like that.

If Carter loses his job to Vinny Testaverde via performance or injury and the team plays better, that's all that matters.

I'm not going to put my hopes for one player improving over the fate of the team and live in a hole if he doesn't succeed.

Fans don't do that, IMO.



I agree with this 200%, I support Carter, if he doesn't pan out, then we move on. Some think that because I support him and defend him so much that I will be uspet if he doesn't pan out, far from the truth, I'm a Cowboys fan first and foremost, yes I have favorites that I want to see succeed and go on to the HOF. Staubach is my all time favorite football player period, then comes Emmitt and Irvin who passed Pearson, T. Hill, Walls, Hayes, Too Tall, H. Martin, R. White, Mel renfro, Billy Joe Dupree, Golden Richards, Rafield Wright, etc. Aikman was cool just not a favorite of mine.

But I put no player over the team.

[Maikeru-sama]

I am not sure about that. See in 1990, if they would have won 1 of their last 2 Games they would have made the playoffs that year. I remember Emmitt won Rookie of the year and expectations were pretty high the next year, but I am just going off of memory. I know in 1991, Emmitt and Michael led the league in Rushing and Receptions respectively, so I dont know that that year they were believed to have really overachieved. But going from 7-9 to 11-5 was quite a difference in just 2 Seasons.

You have to remember, the Boys benefited from an easy schedule this season, especially at the beginning. What were we, like 2-5 against teams with a .500 record or better when we met them? Who knew the Giants would be in so bad in 2003? We played the sucky Redskins twice this year, for an easy 2!! When we played Philadelphia, they were without Taylor and Vincent and we barely pulled that game out. When we faced the real competition, New England, Carolina the 2nd time, Philly the 2nd time (I think they had won like 8 straight or something like that), Miami (which was only the 2nd time a team with a 10-6 record didnt make the playoffs I beleive), New Orleans (who has a ton of talent but known for late season debacles) and Tampa Bay, we didnt look so hot.

I think this year was really a smoke screen. We crept up on some people with some injuries and some that didnt respect us (like Philly kicking that damn onside). I have said this, Quincy has got to play better. Man, I almost broke my hand during the New England game because he just kept making mistakes and wrong reads. In my heart I want Quincy to succeed, and I am almost out of excuses for him. I think the Defense played well, and has been a Super Bowl caliber defense for probably the last couple of season even though I would rather take New England and Carolina's defense in a dog fight. Is Antonio Bryant going to step up to the plate like he did his rookie year, or will it be "t-shirtgate" all over again?

This division has gotten tougher. Washington and Philadelphia all improved last year. In Bill We Trust Right? Well Bill supposedly said Joe Gibbs was the best Coach he ever went up against. I have no reason to believe he wasn't telling the truth. That is 4 Tough games in our own division. I think we play about 4-5 Teams that made the playoffs last year or should have made it if it were not for some bazarre mishaps. Minnesota, New Orleans, Green Bay, Seattle and some more probably (dont feel like looking the schedule up) will all be really tough games to pull out.

This year was the 1st year, where I felt we lost the games we were suppose too and won the games we were suppose too. Like Mickey Spagnola talked about, we wont be able to sneak up on anyone anymore. The NFC East is full of coaches who are proven winners, so our own backyard has gotten rougher.

I just dont see this team finishing with a winning record, im sorry, I just dont.

I think this is a great opportunity to get some of these young players that Campo never managed to get on the the field some playing time. We should not have any question marks (unless an injury occurs) after this season. Our club will be better for it, because we will know exactly what position needs to be addressed come time for the draft.


BTW CNQ, that is a funny arse Sig "Yes, Carter is the Starter" :)

- Mike G.

[Doomsday101]

If Carter shows he can do the job, most fans will likely give him credit for it.

Some won't, but I'm thankful they're in the minority.

I know several posters on another board who disappeared after Carter won the job and the team was having success with him.

They returned after poor performances in the second half of the season and attacked Carter any way they could think of.

I'm simply not like that.

If Carter loses his job to Vinny Testaverde via performance or injury and the team plays better, that's all that matters.

I'm not going to put my hopes for one player improving over the fate of the team and live in a hole if he doesn't succeed.

Fans don't do that, IMO.



I agree with this 200%, I support Carter, if he doesn't pan out, then we move on. Some think that because I support him and defend him so much that I will be uspet if he doesn't pan out, far from the truth, I'm a Cowboys fan first and foremost, yes I have favorites that I want to see succeed and go on to the HOF. Staubach is my all time favorite football player period, then comes Emmitt and Irvin who passed Pearson, T. Hill, Walls, Hayes, Too Tall, H. Martin, R. White, Mel renfro, Billy Joe Dupree, Golden Richards, Rafield Wright, etc. Aikman was cool just not a favorite of mine.

But I put no player over the team.

Myself I think there is a time and place for everything, during the season no one will hear me coming down on any individual player. I may say things like to win this upcoming game so and so needs to do this or that but it is intended as a positive statement, heck I don't care if we are 20 point underdogs in a game I will still post the things I feel we need to do to win that game again as a positive statement. When I attend games I do not boo this team or any player after all as a fan I feel I'm there to give encouragement and support and that is exactly what I do, if we just had a bad play those around me will always hear me saying “shake if off or put that play behind you” because I don’t want to see any player hanging their head or dwelling on a bad play or series. However I feel the off-season is the time to be critical of players and give a full assessment of what we see and how we feel based on the entire season.

[BHendri5]

Just because we think 2005 is our greatest chance doesn't mean we don't wanna win it all this year, we just feel our team is incapable of it.


But "WE" as in you and whomever else you are referring to, your opinions are just your opinions, they don't matter, therefore "WE" meaning myself and I don't know how many other fans and the coahes and the owners and the players themself, do not think as you and the "WE" people you refer too.




No freakin way. The difference between irvin and keyshawn is irvin isn't slow, and he is a playmaker.

I like julius, but there is no rb better than emmit, and we shouldn't expect to find one in the 2nd round.

There is only one qb on this team that has the physical and mental capabilities that aikman had. And he isn't ready yet.



Irvin was fast? He may have been a step or two faster than Key, but Irvin was not considered a fast receiver, he could not stretch the field,. Irvin was lucky if he ran a 4:4 on a good day.

Emmitt is DA Man, and yes right now he is the best ever. But you cannot speak on any future back, unless you know the future. So explain the 5th rounds RBs that Denver keep scoring on, what about Davis, no He is not better than Emmitt, aleast not mentally and I guess you can say physically too, since he ended up with knee and ankle problems, the biggest thing that set Emmitt apart was his intelligence and his longevity, wouldn't you agree.

Now, this QB stuff about physical and mental capabilities, hmm, uh lets see, has henson's wonderlic score ever been posted here? I have not seen it. Carter scored higher than aaikman, (it doesn't really matter to me one way or another) but I assume by your post that it matters to you that stuff.

Henson, although I do not believe the mobility reports, but I would say that he is more mobile than Troy was, and we know Carter is, All 3 guys have a strong arm, all 3 guys has or had to learn to read defenses, henson probably throws a better deeper ball than Carter, I know he'll probably have throw one better than aikman, Carter does that already. Aikman has a strong enough arm he just put too much air under the ball which made the speed receivers have to slow down and wait for the ball. Carter after overthrowing AB in 2002, went reverted to throwing the ball like Aikman on his deep throws, which now caused Parcells to tell him to work on his deep ball this past offseason, All of them can make the passes, that are asked of them, if Carter couldn't he would not have made it thru the combines before the draft in 2001.

I do not know what you are talking about, but thanks for the response.

[crazylegs]

I think this year was really a smoke screen. We crept up on some people with some injuries and some that didnt respect us (like Philly kicking that damn onside). I have said this, Quincy has got to play better.

Din, din, din another winner!

The longer from the draft the more the fans seems to be realistic.

Dallas doesn't have the tools to be very good this year, on top of that they can't draft their way out of a paper bag.

How are they ever going to improve? The last ditch effort, or in the cowboys case the MOO is the free agents pool. Unitl the boys pull out of this useless one trick pony they won't do too much.

As always the cowboys provide more questions than answers.

[Hostile]

Now You say that it's hard for you to believe that I am for the team first, I can shoot that back at you , after that "not for me not until Henson takes over" That sounds like one player over the team to me.

I'll answer questions, I have no problem with that. I do not answer questions that I feel people should already know the answer too, or sarcastic question, your questions always be one or the other.
You miss the points where I advocated drafting Byron Leftwich, signing Kerry Collins, drafting Phillip Rivers, and a myriad of other options. For me Henson is the most viable option for the future. So no, I do not put Henson above the team.

You were asked direct questions many times by me and others with no response. Let me remind you of just one example of a past question I asked you.

You claimed accuracy in QBs is overrated. I asked you to show me even ONE NFL QB or coach who felt, or feels, that accuracy is overrated. Seeing as how there are literally hundreds of men who have either QBed in the NFL or coached QBs in the NFL, you'd think that if your statement had any merit at all that you could find someone who can back you up. That is what I asked you to do.

So far, not one single example. My question has gone ignored. I'm not surprised because I know there is not one credible QB or Coach out there who is going to make that statement.

You continue to say accuracy is overrated and you cite plenty of platitudes that are hollow and miss the mark.

So, since you say I should know the answer to this as the reason why you don't answer I will inform you of the truth. I know of no such contention by any NFL QB or QB Coach that accuracy is overrated in a QB. Would you please show me even 1 example of a credible source that can back up what i think is a ridiculous claim?




Dodgeball anyone?

[BHendri5]

I am not sure about that. See in 1990, if they would have won 1 of their last 2 Games they would have made the playoffs that year. I remember Emmitt won Rookie of the year and expectations were pretty high the next year, but I am just going off of memory. I know in 1991, Emmitt and Michael led the league in Rushing and Receptions respectively, so I dont know that that year they were believed to have really overachieved. But going from 7-9 to 11-5 was quite a difference in just 2 Seasons.

You have to remember, the Boys benefited from an easy schedule this season, especially at the beginning. What were we, like 2-5 against teams with a .500 record or better when we met them? Who knew the Giants would be in so bad in 2003? We played the sucky Redskins twice this year, for an easy 2!! When we played Philadelphia, they were without Taylor and Vincent and we barely pulled that game out. When we faced the real competition, New England, Carolina the 2nd time, Philly the 2nd time (I think they had won like 8 straight or something like that), Miami (which was only the 2nd time a team with a 10-6 record didnt make the playoffs I beleive), New Orleans (who has a ton of talent but known for late season debacles) and Tampa Bay, we didnt look so hot.

I think this year was really a smoke screen. We crept up on some people with some injuries and some that didnt respect us (like Philly kicking that damn onside). I have said this, Quincy has got to play better. Man, I almost broke my hand during the New England game because he just kept making mistakes and wrong reads. In my heart I want Quincy to succeed, and I am almost out of excuses for him. I think the Defense played well, and has been a Super Bowl caliber defense for probably the last couple of season even though I would rather take New England and Carolina's defense in a dog fight. Is Antonio Bryant going to step up to the plate like he did his rookie year, or will it be "t-shirtgate" all over again?

This division has gotten tougher. Washington and Philadelphia all improved last year. In Bill We Trust Right? Well Bill supposedly said Joe Gibbs was the best Coach he ever went up against. I have no reason to believe he wasn't telling the truth. That is 4 Tough games in our own division. I think we play about 4-5 Teams that made the playoffs last year or should have made it if it were not for some bazarre mishaps. Minnesota, New Orleans, Green Bay, Seattle and some more probably (dont feel like looking the schedule up) will all be really tough games to pull out.

This year was the 1st year, where I felt we lost the games we were suppose too and won the games we were suppose too. Like Mickey Spagnola talked about, we wont be able to sneak up on anyone anymore. The NFC East is full of coaches who are proven winners, so our own backyard has gotten rougher.

I just dont see this team finishing with a winning record, im sorry, I just dont.

I think this is a great opportunity to get some of these young players that Campo never managed to get on the the field some playing time. We should not have any question marks (unless an injury occurs) after this season. Our club will be better for it, because we will know exactly what position needs to be addressed come time for the draft.


BTW CNQ, that is a funny arse Sig "Yes, Carter is the Starter" :)

- Mike G.






Last season they said that we had a hard schedule before the season started, that is why some prognosticators picked us to not even go 5-11, but the majority seemed to think that we were headed for another 5-11 season. They thought the skins would be tougher, they talked about the giants, and of course Philly, the talked about us not winning any road games.

Yes, some teams had injuries, that is a part of football. Even though Philly was in a slump and McNabb was playing injured, they still picked Philly to walk all over us.
You can make predictions but until the games are played and the final outcome is recorded, no one knows.

Anyway, after 6 games, with a 5-1 record, then you start hearing the, well they had an easy schedule, thrown out, but before the season started it was not an easy schedule.

I wish I could get into the DMN archives and find the articles that stated that, I know someone remembers that stuff, besides myself.

Thanks for your response.
Dawg, my thing is the games still have to be played, and anything can happen on the field, so I never worry about the schedule or who the team has playing or injured, it is always decided on the field.

Hey, My sig. is funny but it is the truth, Right?

[BHendri5]

Myself I think there is a time and place for everything, during the season no one will hear me coming down on any individual player. I may say things like to win this upcoming game so and so needs to do this or that but it is intended as a positive statement, heck I don't care if we are 20 point underdogs in a game I will still post the things I feel we need to do to win that game again as a positive statement. When I attend games I do not boo this team or any player after all as a fan I feel I'm there to give encouragement and support and that is exactly what I do, if we just had a bad play those around me will always hear me saying “shake if off or put that play behind you” because I don’t want to see any player hanging their head or dwelling on a bad play or series. However I feel the off-season is the time to be critical of players and give a full assessment of what we see and how we feel based on the entire season.


You are a great fan. that is how it should be with everyone.

[BHendri5]

You miss the points where I advocated drafting Byron Leftwich, signing Kerry Collins, drafting Phillip Rivers, and a myriad of other options. For me Henson is the most viable option for the future. So no, I do not put Henson above the team.

You were asked direct questions many times by me and others with no response. Let me remind you of just one example of a past question I asked you.

You claimed accuracy in QBs is overrated. I asked you to show me even ONE NFL QB or coach who felt, or feels, that accuracy is overrated. Seeing as how there are literally hundreds of men who have either QBed in the NFL or coached QBs in the NFL, you'd think that if your statement had any merit at all that you could find someone who can back you up. That is what I asked you to do.

So far, not one single example. My question has gone ignored. I'm not surprised because I know there is not one credible QB or Coach out there who is going to make that statement.

You continue to say accuracy is overrated and you cite plenty of platitudes that are hollow and miss the mark.

So, since you say I should know the answer to this as the reason why you don't answer I will inform you of the truth. I know of no such contention by any NFL QB or QB Coach that accuracy is overrated in a QB. Would you please show me even 1 example of a credible source that can back up what i think is a ridiculous claim?




Dodgeball anyone?




Fun game dodgeball, You seem like you may have been great at it.
i got a question for you, when I said accuracy is overrated, did I say that any NFL Coach or QB said it? I'll answer that for you NO.

I said that. I'm the only dog in this fight(so to speak) I do not need any help, nor do I request any, that is not my nature.
I also stated on many occasions that, as long as the QB is a winner, leader and make plays to assist his team in winning games, he can throw the ball like a cross eyed person, as long as we are putting Ws in the winning column.
(I'm not making fun of Cross eyed people) just trying to make a point.

[Hostile]

Fun game dodgeball, You seem like you may have been great at it.
i got a question for you, when I said accuracy is overrated, did I say that any NFL Coach or QB said it? I'll answer that for you NO.

I said that. I'm the only dog in this fight(so to speak) I do not need any help, nor do I request any, that is not my nature.
I also stated on many occasions that, as long as the QB is a winner, leader and make plays to assist his team in winning games, he can throw the ball like a cross eyed person, as long as we are putting Ws in the winning column.
(I'm not making fun of Cross eyed people) just trying to make a point.
I should be a paid psychic. I knew your claim that you'd answer questions posed to you was going to be followed with an evasion.

Credibility thy name is Daly.

[BigDPlayer]

I honestly have a gut feeling that this season is gonna ROCK for the Cowboys. A revamped and resurgent offensive line, a much improved running game, the pressure off Q along with his second year in the system, Wiley and the Number One D unleashed... I'll say it, I'll call it right here, right now, the 2004 Dallas Cowboys go all the way and win the Super Bowl baby!! I ain't scared... oh hell no...

[jimmy40]

I should be a paid psychic. I knew your claim that you'd answer questions posed to you was going to be followed with an evasion.

Credibility thy name is Daly.
Kind of reminds you of Iceman doesn't it?

[Doomsday101]

Fun game dodgeball, You seem like you may have been great at it.
i got a question for you, when I said accuracy is overrated, did I say that any NFL Coach or QB said it? I'll answer that for you NO.

I said that. I'm the only dog in this fight(so to speak) I do not need any help, nor do I request any, that is not my nature.
I also stated on many occasions that, as long as the QB is a winner, leader and make plays to assist his team in winning games, he can throw the ball like a cross eyed person, as long as we are putting Ws in the winning column.
(I'm not making fun of Cross eyed people) just trying to make a point.


So let me get this correct, if a team wins it does not matter how the QB actually played? He could have gone out and played poor all day long but in the end the team wins so in your book the QB lead that team to a win and that is all that matters? I will agree that in the end a win at the end of the game matters but the play of your players matters as well

[jimmy40]

I honestly have a gut feeling that this season is gonna ROCK for the Cowboys. A revamped and resurgent offensive line, a much improved running game, the pressure off Q along with his second year in the system, Wiley and the Number One D unleashed... I'll say it, I'll call it right here, right now, the 2004 Dallas Cowboys go all the way and win the Super Bowl baby!! I ain't scared... oh hell no...
There's more pressure on Q now than ever. There is an actual QB on the roster now.

[Doomsday101]

I honestly have a gut feeling that this season is gonna ROCK for the Cowboys. A revamped and resurgent offensive line, a much improved running game, the pressure off Q along with his second year in the system, Wiley and the Number One D unleashed... I'll say it, I'll call it right here, right now, the 2004 Dallas Cowboys go all the way and win the Super Bowl baby!! I ain't scared... oh hell no...

I hope your right I would love nothing more than a 6th Championship for this franchise.

[Maikeru-sama]

I have access to the DMN Archives, so I should be able to find the Gloom and Doom that everyone was predicting around here in the Local News and Radio stations.

Yes, Carter is the Starter (No pun intended). I intend to root for this guy until he is replaced, retires, succeeds, etc etc.

See we are just are just making predictions, so we cannot take into account injuries, holdouts, weather etc etc. As of now, I see us finishing somewhere near or below .500. Probably around 7-9, but I hope I am wrong.

How many playoff teams have question marks about both QB, FB, and RB? We have a nice Defense, but it is not the kind of Dominant Defense where the Offense only has to score a couple of TDs.

Back in 2000, I remember Shannon Sharpe use to ask Ray Lewis before the beginning of each game "How many points the offense needed to score". Lewis would tell him to score about 1-2 TDs, and leave the rest up to the Defense. We have a good defense, but not the kind that can totally take an opponent like Minn, KC, Indy, NE, etc etc out of the game without help from the offense.

I stand by my words, last year was a smoke screen. We snuck up on alot of people and had some injuries. Bill Parcells talked about the 2nd Half of the season being the real test. We lost to Tampa, NE, NO, Philly the second when they had ripped off like 8-9 straight, and Miami. No matter how you want to slice it and dice it, these were really good teams and the Boys were just overmatched. We got shutout by these guys 2 times.

Again, when experts make predictions, they are really only going on what a team did last year.

If experts would have know Mike Vick would be out almost the whole season, that would have alterned their decision, and we still lost to them?

If experts would have known Mcnabb was gonna be in a huge slump and they would be without Taylor and Vincent, then that probably would have had some influence on them predicting the Eagles would sweep us?

If experts would have know the Giants would have injury after injury to key personell like Shockey, Hilliard and later on Collins, then they probably would have altered their decision.

We had some good games against the Bills, who pretty much had mailed it in, Carolina and Philly the first time. The Lions, the Skins twice, and the AZ game were all gimmee games. That is 4 Wins right there.

Again, when the competition got better (.500 and better) we our weaknesses were exposed, going 2-5 against these guys, getting shutout twice, and we had a very poor ppg avg on the road.

With 3 MNF Games and an ESPN game, everyone will know about the "Good Dallas Cowboys". The Carolina game served as a reminder that we have a long way to go.

There is nothing wrong with going 7-9, if you are improving and getting guys in there to gain some experience. Going 5-11 3 years in a row is wrong because you are not improving. But I think this team could have a worse record but still be a little better.

- Mike G.

[BHendri5]

I should be a paid psychic. I knew your claim that you'd answer questions posed to you was going to be followed with an evasion.

Credibility thy name is Daly.


hahaha, evasion huh? That is what you called what I just posted. I have to question your comprehension a little now Hos.

I know I just clearly stated that, I, meaning me, numero uno, sayed accuracy is overrated. You never ever saw a post that I said some coach or QB said so.

Go back and look over the posts. If that is evasion to you then, I hate to see what you call the real thing.

Now if anything I figured you would have said "Just like I figured you have nothing but your own opinion" .

Not again with the credibility crap, in here I'm not seeking it, it makes not difference to me if people agree with me or not, I like disagreement, i invite it, it is what makes this forum thrive.

[BHendri5]

I honestly have a gut feeling that this season is gonna ROCK for the Cowboys. A revamped and resurgent offensive line, a much improved running game, the pressure off Q along with his second year in the system, Wiley and the Number One D unleashed... I'll say it, I'll call it right here, right now, the 2004 Dallas Cowboys go all the way and win the Super Bowl baby!! I ain't scared... oh hell no...


That makes two of us.

[Skeptic]

I know everyone likes to disagree with me because ! I am very opinionated, and 2. I do come off as being arrogant. LOL and 3. I like to get people going on purpose mostly because I'm bored.

But we as Cowboy fans are very anxious for this season to began, for a number of reasons, mostly because of certain players and but as a team mainly.

This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?

The so called experts said that we overachieved in 1991, and they did not think that in 92 we would do as well. Last season they picked us for 5-11 again, 10-6 happened and they said we overachieved.

I'm ready, I don't care who lead this team to the playoffs but this season will be better than last season, I just believe Carter will shut up the nay sayers.

Simple question, and you can bash me if you like.
Shift change catch you guys in, hey I forgot I get a whole 1 day off later.

I'll quote another poster on another board....

"Arguing on the internet is just like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded".

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Put down the crackpipe, And slowly back away.

I wish you would have stated your reason for this thinking . But since you won't I will not assume(Even though I have a strong hunch.)

#1 Ranked defense addition of Wiley (a pass rusher))


We got a runningback - upgrade


Second year in Bill Parcells system


oh yea and every Qb Sucks their first two years , Henson will be no different,

[Hostile]

Kind of reminds you of Iceman doesn't it?
Just a little bit. :D

[BHendri5]

So let me get this correct, if a team wins it does not matter how the QB actually played? He could have gone out and played poor all day long but in the end the team wins so in your book the QB lead that team to a win and that is all that matters? I will agree that in the end a win at the end of the game matters but the play of your players matters as well


If the team wins, then the play of the players was good enough to win the game. The QB is viewed as the leader of the team, if they win or lose he still gets credit for leading the team.

[Maikeru-sama]

Put down the crackpipe, And slowly back away.

I wish you would have stated your reason for this thinking . But since you won't I will not assume(Even though I have a strong hunch.)

#1 Ranked defense addition of Wiley (a pass rusher))


We got a runningback - upgrade


Second year in Bill Parcells system


oh yea and every Qb Sucks their first two years , Henson will be no different,


I did layout the reasoning behind my prediction.

Interesting screen name though....

- Mike G.

[Sportsbabe]

This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?

The so called experts said that we overachieved in 1991, and they did not think that in 92 we would do as well. Last season they picked us for 5-11 again, 10-6 happened and they said we overachieved.

1992 all over again: no. Based on what? Not because some "talking heads" are saying the same thing they said last time. They never have an original thought so I never base my opinions on what they say.

Forget about 1992, our success (in my opinion) depends on 2 things: QB and defensive line. We were 10-6 with a pitiful RB so Julius Jones automatically makes us better in that area.

Our DBs held up without a smidgen of a pass rush so there is only one way to go and thats up.

Our receivers can only get better with one more year of familiarity.

I think a playoff victory would be successful. Anything else is gravy. (The NFC East will not be easy ... but it will absolutely be fun :) )

[BigDPlayer]

There's more pressure on Q now than ever. There is an actual QB on the roster now.

Q showed me last season that pressure is something he has learned to deal with far more effectively than that first season awful meltdown. I simply am echoing what Darren Woodson said recently, that with an actual legitimate running game Quincy has less pressure to step up and b eda' man week in and week out.

Look guys, a better offensive line, a TE that most everyone is saying recently is poised to be a STUD (how important is that position to our Cowboys, huh?), a legitimate running game, a possession 'move the chains receiver, a defensive unit that, all things being equal, is improved over last season.

I'm sorry, but replacing ONE average cornerback for another average cornerback, a rookie RB (which we all know can come in off the draft and rush for 1,500 yards), and quarterback question?

What's the rap against Carter? That he scrambles too much or more precisely his decision making when he scrambles is sometimes poor. Well, with a better offensive line, a solid year in the same system, a legit running game, a stud TE, possession receiver that runs correct routes and doesn't quit them, doesn't it stand to reason that Q is poised to have a better year when (GASP!) the talent around him is improved? If you look at it, this team has the makings of a stellar run!

[TheSkaven]

-the Defense, while damn good, isn't dominating like their '92 counterparts

We can go player by player if you'd like but I'd say the 92' defense was only marginally better than this team. This team is missing that Charles Haley, dominant defensive end but the safeties are better and the linebackers might be better too. Coaching between the teams is probably a push.

-while Keyshawn Johnson is a good possession Wide Receiver, he is no Michael Irvin

Yes, this is true, but that Dallas team had Harper as the #2 wide out. I could argue that Keyshawn+Glenn+Bryant is equal to Irvin+Harper+?? (who was it, Corey Fleming?)

-while Julius Jones could prove himself to be a fine NFL Running Back, he is sure as Hell no Emmitt Smith

This is true, I think Emmitt had 1500+ yards in 1991. But remember Julius is an unknown commodity.

-while, whomever the starting QB proves himself to be, may be a great fit for this team, there is no way that he is the guy in my signature

I have to agree with you there.

There are some things that you have not taken into account, though. The league has added two expansion teams and a salary cap. The teams are not as good as they were then. Was the 92 team better than the team that Dallas will field this year? HECK YEAH! But it was also better than the past eight Superbowl champions too!!

[BHendri5]

There's more pressure on Q now than ever. There is an actual QB on the roster now.

Actually there are 5 QBs on the roster. come on Dawg, you wonder why people stand behind Carter. It is disrespectful comments like these that puts more and more people on his bandwagon.

[Maikeru-sama]

LOL, man you guys are crazy up in here. I will be back on later, bout to leave work and possibly buy NCAA Football.

- Mike G.

[Hostile]

hahaha, evasion huh? That is what you called what I just posted. I have to question your comprehension a little now Hos.

I know I just clearly stated that, I, meaning me, numero uno, sayed accuracy is overrated. You never ever saw a post that I said some coach or QB said so.

Go back and look over the posts. If that is evasion to you then, I hate to see what you call the real thing.

Now if anything I figured you would have said "Just like I figured you have nothing but your own opinion" .

Not again with the credibility crap, in here I'm not seeking it, it makes not difference to me if people agree with me or not, I like disagreement, i invite it, it is what makes this forum thrive.
Airman Daly..."I'll answer questions, I have no problem with that."

L'il Ole Me..."Any proof that accuracy in QBs is overrated?"

Airman Daly..."It is just my opinion. I can't give you any proof that I have idea one what I am talking about."

Lil Ole Me..."Duh."

Airman Daly..."Is sayed a word?"

[blindzebra]

I have access to the DMN Archives, so I should be able to find the Gloom and Doom that everyone was predicting around here in the Local News and Radio stations.

Yes, Carter is the Starter (No pun intended). I intend to root for this guy until he is replaced, retires, succeeds, etc etc.

See we are just are just making predictions, so we cannot take into account injuries, holdouts, weather etc etc. As of now, I see us finishing somewhere near or below .500. Probably around 7-9, but I hope I am wrong.

How many playoff teams have question marks about both QB, FB, and RB? We have a nice Defense, but it is not the kind of Dominant Defense where the Offense only has to score a couple of TDs.

Back in 2000, I remember Shannon Sharpe use to ask Ray Lewis before the beginning of each game "How many points the offense needed to score". Lewis would tell him to score about 1-2 TDs, and leave the rest up to the Defense. We have a good defense, but not the kind that can totally take an opponent like Minn, KC, Indy, NE, etc etc out of the game without help from the offense.

I stand by my words, last year was a smoke screen. We snuck up on alot of people and had some injuries. Bill Parcells talked about the 2nd Half of the season being the real test. We lost to Tampa, NE, NO, Philly the second when they had ripped off like 8-9 straight, and Miami. No matter how you want to slice it and dice it, these were really good teams and the Boys were just overmatched. We got shutout by these guys 2 times.

Again, when experts make predictions, they are really only going on what a team did last year.

If experts would have know Mike Vick would be out almost the whole season, that would have alterned their decision, and we still lost to them?

If experts would have known Mcnabb was gonna be in a huge slump and they would be without Taylor and Vincent, then that probably would have had some influence on them predicting the Eagles would sweep us?

If experts would have know the Giants would have injury after injury to key personell like Shockey, Hilliard and later on Collins, then they probably would have altered their decision.

We had some good games against the Bills, who pretty much had mailed it in, Carolina and Philly the first time. The Lions, the Skins twice, and the AZ game were all gimmee games. That is 4 Wins right there.

Again, when the competition got better (.500 and better) we our weaknesses were exposed, going 2-5 against these guys, getting shutout twice, and we had a very poor ppg avg on the road.

With 3 MNF Games and an ESPN game, everyone will know about the "Good Dallas Cowboys". The Carolina game served as a reminder that we have a long way to go.

There is nothing wrong with going 7-9, if you are improving and getting guys in there to gain some experience. Going 5-11 3 years in a row is wrong because you are not improving. But I think this team could have a worse record but still be a little better.

- Mike G.

I don't think, unless we get hit hard with injuries, that we will fall to 7-9.

Our defense is good enough to keep us in every game, after all we did go 10-6 with an offense that averaged 2 TDs a game. ;)

Yes we have questions in key areas, but can Jones and company be as bad as Hambrick? Allen looked in shape at mini-camp and Johnson and the rookies have to mean more potential to be solid on the OL. Hunter WILL be as good as Edwards. Wiley and Ellis has to be at least a push for Ellis and Ekuban. Vinny gives us stability behind Carter, so even though I'm not sold on Carter as the answer, I don't think he'll be worse than he was last year.

I think we have moved beyond .500 talent. I really feel we were near .500 talent-wise during those Campo years, but coaching tanked us. Remember 17 of those 33 losses were by a TD or less.

[BHendri5]

I have access to the DMN Archives, so I should be able to find the Gloom and Doom that everyone was predicting around here in the Local News and Radio stations.

Yes, Carter is the Starter (No pun intended). I intend to root for this guy until he is replaced, retires, succeeds, etc etc.

See we are just are just making predictions, so we cannot take into account injuries, holdouts, weather etc etc. As of now, I see us finishing somewhere near or below .500. Probably around 7-9, but I hope I am wrong.

How many playoff teams have question marks about both QB, FB, and RB? We have a nice Defense, but it is not the kind of Dominant Defense where the Offense only has to score a couple of TDs.

Back in 2000, I remember Shannon Sharpe use to ask Ray Lewis before the beginning of each game "How many points the offense needed to score". Lewis would tell him to score about 1-2 TDs, and leave the rest up to the Defense. We have a good defense, but not the kind that can totally take an opponent like Minn, KC, Indy, NE, etc etc out of the game without help from the offense.

I stand by my words, last year was a smoke screen. We snuck up on alot of people and had some injuries. Bill Parcells talked about the 2nd Half of the season being the real test. We lost to Tampa, NE, NO, Philly the second when they had ripped off like 8-9 straight, and Miami. No matter how you want to slice it and dice it, these were really good teams and the Boys were just overmatched. We got shutout by these guys 2 times.

Again, when experts make predictions, they are really only going on what a team did last year.

If experts would have know Mike Vick would be out almost the whole season, that would have alterned their decision, and we still lost to them?

If experts would have known Mcnabb was gonna be in a huge slump and they would be without Taylor and Vincent, then that probably would have had some influence on them predicting the Eagles would sweep us?

If experts would have know the Giants would have injury after injury to key personell like Shockey, Hilliard and later on Collins, then they probably would have altered their decision.

We had some good games against the Bills, who pretty much had mailed it in, Carolina and Philly the first time. The Lions, the Skins twice, and the AZ game were all gimmee games. That is 4 Wins right there.

Again, when the competition got better (.500 and better) we our weaknesses were exposed, going 2-5 against these guys, getting shutout twice, and we had a very poor ppg avg on the road.

With 3 MNF Games and an ESPN game, everyone will know about the "Good Dallas Cowboys". The Carolina game served as a reminder that we have a long way to go.

There is nothing wrong with going 7-9, if you are improving and getting guys in there to gain some experience. Going 5-11 3 years in a row is wrong because you are not improving. But I think this team could have a worse record but still be a little better.

- Mike G.


Mike, that is what I was talking about, people make their predictions before the season just like you and that's cool, but when the so called experts make those predictions some fans go crazy and loose their minds, believing the experts word is like a word from God, when they are just going off of their own premonitons, or opinions.

We lost those games, with a number one defense too. Now by some people's account they look at those losses to the extreme, now a person like me can say okay, you want to talk about the offense lack of production, well I could go to the extreme and say with a #1 D the game should have ended in an overtime tie then, that is being real extreme.

I am the type of person that looks at the positive things. there are positives found in negative things, so in all those losses there were some positive things happening.

You say in the NE game you almost broke your hand, because Carter was missing open receivers. I missed that game because I was here, this is my second tour here.
I have heard from a number of people here, on the message board I am a moderator on and when I returned home that, there was a constant jail break and QC was always on the run, receivers dropping balls that hit them in the hands, the defense giving up big plays as well as PIF calls on the defense.
I was told even though we lost Q played a good game. some people cannot fathom that a player can have a good game when his team lost, but it is possible and it has been done before.

In those other losses, there were anumber of things that was wrong with the offense and it was not just the QB. Parcells stated on many occasions last season that in order for Q to succeed they have to give him some help, Wouldn't you agree that a QB needs help?

The Miami game we just got drove by the Miami offense, yeah the offense did not stay on the field long , but that #1 D got their butts kicked,

[BHendri5]

I'll quote another poster on another board....

"Arguing on the internet is just like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded".

Well you need to post that statement as a new thread.

[blindzebra]

We can go player by player if you'd like but I'd say the 92' defense was only marginally better than this team. This team is missing that Charles Haley, dominant defensive end but the safeties are better and the linebackers might be better too. Coaching between the teams is probably a push.

Yes, this is true, but that Dallas team had Harper as the #2 wide out. I could argue that Keyshawn+Glenn+Bryant is equal to Irvin+Harper+?? (who was it, Corey Fleming?)

This is true, I think Emmitt had 1500+ yards in 1991. But remember Julius is an unknown commodity.


I have to agree with you there.

There are some things that you have not taken into account, though. The league has added two expansion teams and a salary cap. The teams are not as good as they were then. Was the 92 team better than the team that Dallas will field this year? HECK YEAH! But it was also better than the past eight Superbowl champions too!!

The 92 team's roster:

QB Aikman, Beurlein

RB Smith, Gainer

FB Johnston, Agee

WR Irvin and Harper,
Martin and Smith

TE Novacek, Tennell

OT Tuinei and Williams,
Veingard and Gogan

OG Newton and Gesek,
Gogan

C Stepnoski, Cornish

DS Hellestrae

K Elliott

P Saxon

KR Martin



DE Tolbert and Haley,
Jeffcoat, Jones, and Lett

DT Casillas and Maryland,
Lett, Hennings, and Jones

OLB Norton and Smith,
Myles, Edwards and Pruitt

MLB Jones, Norton

CB Smith and Brown,
Holt and Holmes

SS Everett,
Gant, and Woodson

FS Washington, Horton, Williams


This is not even close. Can the 2004 team win a Super Bowl? Possibly.

Do they compare in any way to 92? No freaking way!

[BHendri5]

Airman Daly..."I'll answer questions, I have no problem with that."

L'il Ole Me..."Any proof that accuracy in QBs is overrated?"

Airman Daly..."It is just my opinion. I can't give you any proof that I have idea one what I am talking about."

Lil Ole Me..."Duh."

Airman Daly..."Is sayed a word?"


Too low for me Hos, I can't make it down there. I'll have to let you journey there yourself. :)


Peace

[BHendri5]

I don't think, unless we get hit hard with injuries, that we will fall to 7-9.

Our defense is good enough to keep us in every game, after all we did go 10-6 with an offense that averaged 2 TDs a game. ;)

Yes we have questions in key areas, but can Jones and company be as bad as Hambrick? Allen looked in shape at mini-camp and Johnson and the rookies have to mean more potential to be solid on the OL. Hunter WILL be as good as Edwards. Wiley and Ellis has to be at least a push for Ellis and Ekuban. Vinny gives us stability behind Carter, so even though I'm not sold on Carter as the answer, I don't think he'll be worse than he was last year.

I think we have moved beyond .500 talent. I really feel we were near .500 talent-wise during those Campo years, but coaching tanked us. Remember 17 of those 33 losses were by a TD or less.


BZ, those campo years, I kept saying that we had 500 talent then, but those guys could not coach a kid out of a wet paper bag.

I was asked if I thought I could do better and of course I said HECK Yeah.

[Hostile]

I was asked if I thought I could do better and of course I said HECK Yeah.
When I grow up I want to be just like you. ;)

[Sportsbabe]

#1 Ranked defense addition of Wiley (a pass rusher))

We got a runningback - upgrade

Second year in Bill Parcells system

oh yea and every Qb Sucks their first two years , Henson will be no different,

You and I agree.

[Hostile]

Too low for me Hos, I can't make it down there. I'll have to let you journey there yourself. :)


Peace
I asked a simple question that I knew you couldn't (wouldn't) answer. It's all good.

[Tio]

Lets go through this one more time...But "WE" as in you and whomever else you are referring to, your opinions are just your opinions, they don't matter, therefore "WE" meaning myself and I don't know how many other fans and the coahes and the owners and the players themself, do not think as you and the "WE" people you refer too.Well most of those fans don't seem to post here. I was reffering to the fans that think our best chance is 2005 and beyond.




No freakin way. The difference between irvin and keyshawn is irvin isn't slow, and he is a playmaker.

I like julius, but there is no rb better than emmit, and we shouldn't expect to find one in the 2nd round.

There is only one qb on this team that has the physical and mental capabilities that aikman had. And he isn't ready yet.



Irvin was fast? He may have been a step or two faster than Key, but Irvin was not considered a fast receiver, he could not stretch the field,. Irvin was lucky if he ran a 4:4 on a good day.First of all, I'm not being mean, but can you quote someone when you are using there words? It gets annoying. Anyway, did I say irvin was fast? No, I said he wasn't slow, like keyshawn is.

Emmitt is DA Man, and yes right now he is the best ever. But you cannot speak on any future back, unless you know the future. So explain the 5th rounds RBs that Denver keep scoring on, what about Davis, no He is not better than Emmitt, aleast not mentally and I guess you can say physically too, since he ended up with knee and ankle problems, the biggest thing that set Emmitt apart was his intelligence and his longevity, wouldn't you agree.
Emmits endurance and heart set him apart. Besides in 92 the cowboys were going in with the former rookie of the year, not just a rookie.


Now, this QB stuff about physical and mental capabilities, hmm, uh lets see, has henson's wonderlic score ever been posted here? I have not seen it. Carter scored higher than aaikman, (it doesn't really matter to me one way or another) but I assume by your post that it matters to you that stuff.
I don't mean everyday capabilities. I mean football capabilities. The abilities to see & read the defense.

Henson, although I do not believe the mobility reports, but I would say that he is more mobile than Troy was, and we know Carter is, All 3 guys have a strong arm, all 3 guys has or had to learn to read defenses, henson probably throws a better deeper ball than Carter, I know he'll probably have throw one better than aikman, Carter does that already. Aikman has a strong enough arm he just put too much air under the ball which made the speed receivers have to slow down and wait for the ball. Carter after overthrowing AB in 2002, went reverted to throwing the ball like Aikman on his deep throws, which now caused Parcells to tell him to work on his deep ball this past offseason, All of them can make the passes, that are asked of them, if Carter couldn't he would not have made it thru the combines before the draft in 2001.The only thing you gave henson over carter is wrong. Henson doesn't throw as good of a deepball. All of them can make every throw. With carter however, it is a much bigger margin id say 3-4 feet which lead to two of his ints(both were bad passes, right reads, they were behind and tipped into defenders hands).

I do not know what you are talking about, but thanks for the response.You don't want to know what I am talking about, come back soon when you're ready...

[Maikeru-sama]

CNQ, thanx for the healthy debate, helps make the day go by fast. That is one thing I like about this board, seems just about everyone knows what they are talking about and can hold their own in a good old fashion debate.

I still say we go 7-9. I was talking to a co-worker today when I was leaving, and he just laughed at me when I told him my prediction. Let's hope I am wrong.

Now on to a new thread I am itching to start :).

- Mike G.

[Cheap Shot Artist]

You and I agree.

We will be improved...but so will out entire division..

Eagles: Kearse, Owens SHaun Andrews

Skins: Gibbs and staff, Brunell, Portis, Washington, Barrow, Sean Taylor

Giants: Couglin and staff, B.Green, Snee, Emmons...DL depth

[Sportsbabe]

We will be improved...but so will out entire division..

I think I said that also. You and I agree too. 2 for 2 :)

[BHendri5]

I asked a simple question that I knew you couldn't (wouldn't) answer. It's all good.


I answered it twice already, but it is all good.

[Tio]

I answered it twice already, but it is all good.Here hos doesn't know how to make it simple enough so I will.

Is there any coach, former coach, player, former play or anyone with credibility that has stated accuracy for a qb is overrated?

[BHendri5]

Lets go through this one more time...Well most of those fans don't seem to post here. I was reffering to the fans that think our best chance is 2005 and beyond.



First of all, I'm not being mean, but can you quote someone when you are using there words? It gets annoying. Anyway, did I say irvin was fast? No, I said he wasn't slow, like keyshawn is.
Emmits endurance and heart set him apart. Besides in 92 the cowboys were going in with the former rookie of the year, not just a rookie.

I don't mean everyday capabilities. I mean football capabilities. The abilities to see & read the defense.
The only thing you gave henson over carter is wrong. Henson doesn't throw as good of a deepball. All of them can make every throw. With carter however, it is a much bigger margin id say 3-4 feet which lead to two of his ints(both were bad passes, right reads, they were behind and tipped into defenders hands).
You don't want to know what I am talking about, come back soon when you're ready...


I know what you are trying to say,(when I said I don't know what you are talking about I was being sarcastic).
Okay, I said that Irvin may have been a stepp or 2 faster than Key, but Irvin was slow too.

Aikman did not step into the NFL knowing how toread defenses, he was taught and it took him at least 3yrs, he started to show us that in 91, so Carter and Henson are no different they have to learn to read defenses also. Carter has been improving his reading of defenses every season. Now what?

[BHendri5]

CNQ, thanx for the healthy debate, helps make the day go by fast. That is one thing I like about this board, seems just about everyone knows what they are talking about and can hold their own in a good old fashion debate.

I still say we go 7-9. I was talking to a co-worker today when I was leaving, and he just laughed at me when I told him my prediction. Let's hope I am wrong.

Now on to a new thread I am itching to start :).

- Mike G.



LOL. See there are more fans that think that we will be better than 7-9 or 8-8 or 10-6.

Mike, wheever you are out and about and you see people with Cowboys gear on, ask them what they think. You will find that there is a vast majority of people who think differently that a lot of people in here, especially about the QB spot.

I do it all the time, and I tell them about some poster's opinion in here, it is refreshing. There are a lot of members who do not post but just read, I'w willing to bet that their opinion is different than some of the main posters who has a lot of negative stuff to say.

[Tio]

I know what you are trying to say,(wneh I said I don't know what you are talking about I was being sarcastic).
Okay, I said that Irvin may have been a stepp or 2 faster than Key, but Irvin was slow too.

Aikman did not step into the NFL knowing how toread defenses, he was taught and it took him at least 3yrs, he started to show us that in 91, so Carter and Henson are no different they have to learn to read defenses also. Carter has been improving his reading of defenses every season. Now what?I assume these are the only things you don't agree with. Right?

Irvin was not so slow that he was a liability. He is maybe a half a step slower than to, and he made people miss and broke tackles. He was simply a playmaker. Now aikman started getting it in his 3rd year. His 4th year he was wonderful. Now, carter, with his stats in 04, show that he isn't starting to get it. It isn't clicking yet, so we can't assume it will ever click.

[BHendri5]

I assume these are the only things you don't agree with. Right?

Irvin was not so slow that he was a liability. He is maybe a half a step slower than to, and he made people miss and broke tackles. He was simply a playmaker. Now aikman started getting it in his 3rd year. His 4th year he was wonderful. Now, carter, with his stats in 04, show that he isn't starting to get it. It isn't clicking yet, so we can't assume it will ever click.


RW, they ahve yet to play in 04. Irvin broke tackles, yeah, but made people miss, nope you have the wrong Michael Irvin.
TO, is more than just a step faster than Irvin, TO will smoke Irvin. I'm telling you it would be a close race between Irvin and Key.

[BigDPlayer]

I assume these are the only things you don't agree with. Right?

Irvin was not so slow that he was a liability. He is maybe a half a step slower than to, and he made people miss and broke tackles. He was simply a playmaker. Now aikman started getting it in his 3rd year. His 4th year he was wonderful. Now, carter, with his stats in 04, show that he isn't starting to get it. It isn't clicking yet, so we can't assume it will ever click.

I disagree with your last line. I think Q is starting to get it. He played much better this last season than he did the previous one. Plus, aren't you comparing apples to oranges? Aikman had the same system for three seasons before he started to get it. Carter, this will be his second season in the same system.

Aside from the scrambling - which led to - erroneous decisions and therefore interceptions, I think Carter played decent. He needs to improve, as did the talent level SUPPORTING him. I believe the talen SUPPORTING the QB has indeed improved and, as such, I think you'll see an improved QB.

[BigDPlayer]

RW, they ahve yet to play in 04. Irvin broke tackles, yeah, but made people miss, nope you have the wrong Michael Irvin.
TO, is more than just a step faster than Irvin, TO will smoke Irvin. I'm telling you it would be a close race between Irvin and Key.

LOL... you guys are arguing over whether Key or Irvin was slower?! That's rich! C'mon now, both are possesion receivers and not speedsters. I'd say Irvin was slightly faster but only just a tad. Speed is neither players game, so what's the point?

Key is a quality pick up for this team.

[Tio]

RW, they ahve yet to play in 04. Irvin broke tackles, yeah, but made people miss, nope you have the wrong Michael Irvin.
TO, is more than just a step faster than Irvin, TO will smoke Irvin. I'm telling you it would be a close race between Irvin and Key.No friggin way. Key is a chain mover because he can make the catch and get tackled. Irvin made the catch broke/avoided a tackle and made it a great play. Keyshawn could quite possibly be in the 5.1-4s if you listen to his coach.

[junk]

Aikman had the same system for three seasons before he started to get it. Carter, this will be his second season in the same system.

Not entirely true. David Shula was the offensive coordinator in 89 and 90. Aikman was in his second year of Norv's offense in 91, his third year. So assuming Aikman "started to get it" in his 4th season, he had the same offensive coordinator for 2 years.

[BHendri5]

Here hos doesn't know how to make it simple enough so I will.

Is there any coach, former coach, player, former play or anyone with credibility that has stated accuracy for a qb is overrated?


The word " I" should be very easy to understand. I've said that a few times to him. He thinks, that I have to get my stuff from coaches, players. I do not know who may have what you guys call credibility.

[blindzebra]

I disagree with your last line. I think Q is starting to get it. He played much better this last season than he did the previous one. Plus, aren't you comparing apples to oranges? Aikman had the same system for three seasons before he started to get it. Carter, this will be his second season in the same system.

Aside from the scrambling - which led to - erroneous decisions and therefore interceptions, I think Carter played decent. He needs to improve, as did the talent level SUPPORTING him. I believe the talen SUPPORTING the QB has indeed improved and, as such, I think you'll see an improved QB.


Aikman GOT IT in his 3rd season when he posted an 86 QB rating that was 20 points HIGHER than his second year. FYI that 3rd year was his FIRST under Turner.

[Hostile]

I answered it twice already, but it is all good.
No, you haven't answered it. No surprise, you never do.

[blindzebra]

RW, they ahve yet to play in 04. Irvin broke tackles, yeah, but made people miss, nope you have the wrong Michael Irvin.
TO, is more than just a step faster than Irvin, TO will smoke Irvin. I'm telling you it would be a close race between Irvin and Key.

Funny how a SLOW WR like Irvin did the following:

He had plus 60 yard reception in 8 of his 12 seasons, with a career high of 87.

He had 2 seasons where his YPR was over 20 yards.

His career YPR is 15.9, Owens is 14.5.

I know stats can't change your perception, but Irvin was far from a tortoise. He was not a hare either, but he WAS as fast as Jerry Rice, who was also considered SLOW. ;)

[BHendri5]

LOL... you guys are arguing over whether Key or Irvin was slower?! That's rich! C'mon now, both are possesion receivers and not speedsters. I'd say Irvin was slightly faster but only just a tad. Speed is neither players game, so what's the point?

Key is a quality pick up for this team.


Exactly, both, are possession receivers. I said in my original post that Key gives us the possession receiver that moves the chain like Irvin did and he also plays with that same type of fire.

RW said Irvin was fast, I said he may be a step or two faster than Key.

[Hostile]

The word " I" should be very easy to understand. I've said that a few times to him. He thinks, that I have to get my stuff from coaches, players. I do not know who may have what you guys call credibility.
LMAO

Okay, let me explain it to you one last time. You act like you have some kind of credibility that we all should pay attention to. After all you look at games like you were a coach. Those were your exact words.

Okay "Coach Daly," find me any other coach who can verify your assessment that accuracy in QBs is overrated. The question was, and is, can you do that?

Your answer has been, that this is your opinion not theirs. That is NOT answering the question. That is sidestepping it and saying you don't need to justify your opinions.

Your opinion on accuracy has no basis other than your opinion. There is no reason why we should even think it is worth the time to read. Yet you continue to insist that you know more about football than anyone on this forum. All evidence to the contrary. You didn't even know how the first round of the draft was conducted and you proved that 3 times over a 6 hour plus time period then conveniently decided that saving face was not important and blamed a phantom.

The only way you are going to be able to have any credibility on QBs and accuracy is to prove that it isn't that important. You can't. You have no idea what you are talking about and I am proving it yet again.





Ladies and Gentelemen....the Spin Doctor.

[Tio]

The word " I" should be very easy to understand. I've said that a few times to him. He thinks, that I have to get my stuff from coaches, players. I do not know who may have what you guys call credibility.Just answer it yes or no, forget credibilty. Just a yes or no....

[Tio]

Exactly, both, are possession receivers. I said in my original post that Key gives us the possession receiver that moves the chain like Irvin did and he also plays with that same type of fire.

RW said Irvin was fast, I said he may be a step or two faster than Key.If you are going to say i said something , get it right. I said he wasn't slow, key is slow.

[Tio]

LMAO

Okay, let me explain it to you one last time. You act like you have some kind of credibility that we all should pay attention to. After all you look at games like you were a coach. Those were your exact words.

Okay "Coach Daly," find me any other coach who can verify your assessment that accuracy in QBs is overrated. The question was, and is, can you do that?

Your answer has been, that this is your opinion not theirs. That is NOT answering the question. That is sidestepping it and saying you don't need to justify your opinions.

Your opinion on accuracy has no basis other than your opinion. There is no reason why we should even think it is worth the time to read. Yet you continue to insist that you know more about football than anyone on this forum. All evidence to the contrary. You didn't even know how the first round of the draft was conducted and you proved that 3 times over a 6 hour plus time period then conveniently decided that saving face was not important and blamed a phantom.

The only way you are going to be able to have any credibility on QBs and accuracy is to prove that it isn't that important. You can't. You have no idea what you are talking about and I am proving it yet again.





Ladies and Gentelemen....the Spin Doctor.I helped too you know....

[BHendri5]

No, you haven't answered it. No surprise, you never do.

I is not in your vocabulary is it? I say it is overrated, I have always said so and I will always feel that way.

I do not need to have some coach or player to say it before I say it.

[BHendri5]

If you are going to say i said something , get it right. I said he wasn't slow, key is slow.


Irvin is and was slow, both of them are.

[Hostile]

I helped too you know....
Much appreciation too. I think he doesn't understand how bad this is making him look....again.

[Tio]

I is not in your vocabulary is it? I say it is overrated, I have always said so and I will always feel that way.

I do not need to have some coach or player to say it before I say it.Ok, I think we are done here hos. He obviously cannot comprehend...

[Tio]

Irvin is and was sloe, both of them are.Whatever, you continue to say down is up, and won't believe anything else because you are so far off....

[Hostile]

Ok, I think we are done here hos. He obviously cannot comprehend...
Yes sir, it is clear that he enjoys being wrong.

[BHendri5]

No friggin way. Key is a chain mover because he can make the catch and get tackled. Irvin made the catch broke/avoided a tackle and made it a great play. Keyshawn could quite possibly be in the 5.1-4s if you listen to his coach.


You better go and look up Key's time. Irvin did not break tackles all the time, He got tackled more right after he caught the ball, ecpecially on the curls and comeback patterns. Most of the time Irvin, got the first downs his route were 12yds instead of ten, and as soon as he caught the ball he was tackled.

[BHendri5]

Yes sir, it is clear that he enjoys being wrong.


No, you two enjoy looking foolish. "I" is such a simple word to comprehend.

Nevertheless, I'll let you too wallow in the stuff that you have made, I'm glad I have my boots on.

[Hostile]

No, you two enjoy looking foolish. "I" is such a simple word to comprehend.

Nevertheless, I'll let you too wallow in the stuff that you have made, I'm glad I have my boots on.
Hey Coach Daly, you're the only person in the world who thinks we look foolish and you look right.

Here's a challenge for you. On Madden turn your QBs accuracy way down and see what happens.

You're living in a fantasy world.

[jimmy40]

Actually there are 5 QBs on the roster. come on Dawg, you wonder why people stand behind Carter. It is disrespectful comments like these that puts more and more people on his bandwagon.
You say a QB's accuracy is overated. That's the stupidest, most idiotic thing that has ever been said about football. That quote is why more and more people think you're an idiot. Dawg.

[jimmy40]

You say a QB's accuracy is overated. That's the stupidest, most idiotic thing that has ever been said about football. That quote is why more and more people think you're an idiot. Dawg.
Actually Dawg I owe you an apology. There is one thing that was even more stupid as hard as that is to believe and it was said by Jerry Jones.
" Ladies and Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys...Dave Campo".

[LaTunaNostra]

Yes sir, it is clear that he enjoys being wrong.

Hilarious thread.

What he obviously enjoys is rattling everybody's cage.

and admits it by prefacing the entire thread with "I'm just bored". :p :p

[jimmy40]

Hilarious thread.

What he obviously enjoys is rattling everybody's cage.

and admits it by prefacing the entire thread with "I'm just bored". :p :p
A QB's accuracy is overated. I believe he rattled his own cage.

[LaTunaNostra]

A QB's accuracy is overated. I believe he rattled his own cage.
He throws out one outragous proposition after another.

Whether he actually believes them or not is irrlevant.

But the fish keep biting. Good show!

No offense, btw Sarge.

If I were bored in Baghdad, I'd probably be doing the same thing, :D

[jimmy40]

He throws out one outragous proposition after another.

Whether he actually believes them or not is irrlevant.

But the fish keep biting. Good show!

No offense, btw Sarge.

If I were bored in Baghdad, I'd probably be doing the same thing, :D
If someone actually believes that a QB's accuracy is overated then it couldn't be more relevant in any future discussion about football. The fact that he is such a QC lover tells me that he probably does believe that.

[LaTunaNostra]

If someone actually believes that a QB's accuracy is overated then it couldn't be more relevant in any future discussion about football. The fact that he is such a QC lover tells me that he probably does believe that.

Well, that accuracy, perhaps THE most important factor in QB success (you can fail and have it, but you can't succeed very long without it) was said to be "over-rated" (I guess one could point to Hutch and say his alleged accuracy didn't get him far) isn't' as bizarre as saying "accuracy doesn't count at all".

But even if he did say something that wild, you guys would probably still let him play yas like a fiddle. :p

You been played.

Again! LOL

[jimmy40]

Well, that accuracy, perhaps THE most important factor in QB success (you can fail and have it, but you can't succeed very long without it) was said to be "over-rated" (I guess one could point to Hutch and say his alleged accuracy didn't get him far) isn't' as bizarre as saying "accuracy doesn't count at all".

But even if he did say something that wild, you guys would probably still let him play yas like a fiddle. :p

You been played.

Again! LOLI guess if making yourself look like a complete idiot is playing someone else then your right. Is this like the DMN where the same guy uses different user names? Seems kind of funny Iraq leaves and you take up his argument. Fiddle, Dawg, Played, yas? You guys are like red neck, inner city rappers or Vanilla Ice.

[Tio]

I guess if making yourself look like a complete idiot is playing someone else then your right. Is this like the DMN where the same guy uses different user names? Seems kind of funny Iraq leaves and you take up his argument. Fiddle, Dawg, Played, yas? You guys are like red neck, inner city rappers or Vanilla Ice.Hey LTN is cool. She is nice to everyone and is unbiased.

[Skeptic]

I guess I'll post it again. As a matter of fact, my new sig may include this bit of wisdom.

Arguing on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

[Cheap Shot Artist]

I guess I'll post it again. As a matter of fact, my new sig may include this bit of wisdom.

Arguing on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

Oh so true...Kinda like Seinfeld..the show about nothing

Just like the QC debates...over the last 3 years there has been some terrific points made in debates both pro and con...

We ought to make a pro and con list of every point that has been made by both sides

Like:

Pro: QC now has the benefit of being in the same system for the 1st time since his sophomore/junior season

Con: he maybe a HOF'er when it comes to the offseason, but accuracy cn only be improved so much and one cant teachsplit second decision making

Anyone else care to jump in?

[Mike 1967]

It is possible. But the odds are against it.

The truth is we could have a very good or a very bad season.

Depends on the performance of a lot of new faces, who get's injuries, how our competition performs and mix in a little luck.

One thing is for sure. This team will compete and will show up for every game....and the Coach will maintain control.

This same cannot be said for a lot of teams.

[BHendri5]

Hilarious thread.

What he obviously enjoys is rattling everybody's cage.

and admits it by prefacing the entire thread with "I'm just bored". :p :p


I'm willing to bet they still don't get it. LOL

[BHendri5]

Hey Coach Daly, you're the only person in the world who thinks we look foolish and you look right.

Here's a challenge for you. On Madden turn your QBs accuracy way down and see what happens.

You're living in a fantasy world.


Madden, huh? You say I live in a fantasy world? You play Madden, obviously and I bet you play fantasy football also.
But I'm living in a fantasy world? LOL

I do not play Madden, none of that stuff, nor do I play fantasy football. I marvel at Grown men playing playstation, listening to them talk about it, talk about getting together to play games, at my barbershop they have PS2 set up.

I see it as a game for the kids, and me as a grwon man sitting in front of the television playing a game with one or 2 or a bunch of men is silly to me.

[Tio]

I'm willing to bet they still don't get it. LOLPlease. Your opinions are so ignorant like your statements, that just about every one on this board considers you the dumbest poster...Tuna gave you a slim way out and you took it.

[Tio]

Madden, huh? You say I live in a fantasy world? You play Madden, obviously and I bet you play fantasy football also.
But I'm living in a fantasy world? LOL

I do not play Madden, none of that stuff, nor do I play fantasy football. I marvel at Grown men playing playstation, listening to them talk about it, talk about getting together to play games, at my barbershop they have PS2 set up.

I see it as a game for the kids, and me as a grwon man sitting in front of the television playing a game with one or 2 or a bunch of men is silly to me.Id rather be a gron man playing games than a grown liar that has loves another male thats name is quincy carter...

[LaTunaNostra]

I'm willing to bet they still don't get it. LOL
But you know what Sarge?

It used to be consistently amusing.

But now it's gettiing old.

If the fallout was just you guys goofing off, fine.

But I don't like that it turns some folks against Quincy, and some even more against him.

That's just not fair.

Just my two cents, Sarge.

[Charles]

.

Here's a challenge for you. On Madden turn your QBs accuracy way down and see what happens.



:D This is classic. Signature worthy material :D

[Tio]

:D This is classic. Signature worthy material :DYou knwo what else should go on a signature?

"Accuracy in a qb is overrated"

[BHendri5]

Please. Your opinions are so ignorant like your statements, that just about every one on this board considers you the dumbest poster...Tuna gave you a slim way out and you took it.


Dumb and ignorant? That is what I am. Alright Roy Williams. You better not get beat in coverage at all this season.

If you are the epitome of being intelligent, then I'll be ignorant, dumb, stupid, and an idiot and anything else the person that helps you post can think of. I feel for you, I've heard about people like you, but I had never had contact with one until now.

Have the person helping you to PM me giving me the address to send my donation to help people like you.

[Tio]

Dumb and ignorant? That is what I am. Alright Roy Williams. You better not get beat in coverage at all this season.

If you are the epitome of being intelligent, then I'll be ignorant, dumb, stupid, and an idiot and anything else the person that helps you post can think of. I feel for you, I've heard about people like you, but I had never had contact with one until now.

Have the person helping you to PM me giving me the address to send my donation to help people like you.I won't get beat in coverage if I me and my defense don't get our coatails ridden on by you. BTW, I feel sorry that you heard of people with common sense like me, but never have been able to contact and learn from them....

[BHendri5]

But you know what Sarge?

It used to be consistently amusing.

But now it's gettiing old.

If the fallout was just you guys goofing off, fine.

But I don't like that it turns some folks against Quincy, and some even more against him.

That's just not fair.

Just my two cents, Sarge.



Tuna,

Think about it for a second, I only support and defned Carter. When you get these posters who come in here and start saying this and that about the guy, that is when I respond 95% of the time.
the other 5%, I'll initiate a post to get others opinion things. 2/3rds of that 5% the posts have nothing to do with Carter but, some assisnine nut throws Carter in the thread, it never fails.

So I turn the screw on those posters, they ask for it and then they get upset, and start posting insults. To me that is when the comedy starts, thats when they show their true colors to me, along with their maturity and intlelligence level.

I have admitted that on many occasions that mess with them on purpose. How people get angry about something they have no control over is beyond me, and it is very silly, but I'm the arrogant one. I never throw out stats, I never come really insult people unless they go a little too far.
I know for most it is what a poster from my board calls computer bravery, whatever floats their boat. because I know if we were to meet in person they woud not even think twice about making insults.

That is why it is so amusing to me, but at times it does get old, and at those times I just read and shake my head and move on.

Now, RW31, wants to call me Gay, if I am it better be because I'm happy.

[te0002]

No, because (and keep in mind that this is only a mere outline):

-the Defense, while damn good, isn't dominating like their '92 counterparts

-while Keyshawn Johnson is a good possession Wide Receiver, he is no Michael Irvin

-while Julius Jones could prove himself to be a fine NFL Running Back, he is sure as Hell no Emmitt Smith

-while, whomever the starting QB proves himself to be, may be a great fit for this team, there is no way that he is the guy in my signature

I agree with everything you say, but why in the world do you insist on calling Aikman the greatest Cowboys of all time when that distinction clearly goes to Bob Lilly.

Don't get me wrong, I love Troy, but it's arguable if Troy was even the best QB the Cowboys have ever had, while there is no disputing Lilly's impact.

[BHendri5]

I won't get beat in coverage if I me and my defense don't get our coatails ridden on by you. BTW, I feel sorry that you heard of people with common sense like me, but never have been able to contact and learn from them....


Common sense, if you had common sense then You would not post the stuff you have posted the last few times, that's not common sense that is idiotic behavior.

But you keep thinking it is common sense.

Hmm, I guess you and Quincy has had a falling out since last season.

[Tio]

Common sense, if you had common sense then You would not post the stuff you have posted the last few times, that's not common sense that is idiotic behavior.

But you keep thinking it is common sense.

Hmm, I guess you and Quincy has had a falling out since last season.Common sens is common knowledge. If you ask every poster here if accuracy in a qb is overrated, most will have the knowledge that it isn't overated. But, i guess you are the only one with common sense here.

[marsbennett]

This is my question: Is it in the back of anyone else's mind besides mine, that this could possibly be arepeat of the 1992 season all over again?
.



No

Hershel Walker didn't just get traded last year, in fact, this year, it felt like a reverse Hershel deal with 0 1st rounders.

[BHendri5]

Common sens is common knowledge. If you ask every poster here if accuracy in a qb is overrated, most will have the knowledge that it isn't overated. But, i guess you are the only one with common sense here.


No, I'm not the only one. But there is no way you will get the opion of every poster in this forum. Go and look at the member list, we are not even close to half the members of this forum.

Now if you can pull that off be my guess, but I bet you would be surprised at how many will say that it is overrated.

No matter, you think it's not and I say it is, we disagree. so what, it is not that big a dealm at least not to me.

[LaTunaNostra]

Tuna,

Think about it for a second, I only support and defned Carter. When you get these posters who come in here and start saying this and that about the guy, that is when I respond 95% of the time. the other 5%, I'll initiate a post to get others opinion things. 2/3rds of that 5% the posts have nothing to do with Carter but, some assisnine nut throws Carter in the thread, it never fails.

Sarge, I know where you are and what you're doing and respect you tremendously for it. That you're serving your country and I am not maybe shouldn't be in the equation here, but for me it is. I come from a family where all the males served, and a few of the females, so for me it's about solidarity. I know you bust balls but because you're doing what you do, in my mind I cut you some slack. Not that you're asking for it, but I do. I also know, after reading your posts for a year now, that you know how the draft works. :p

On the other hand, there have been plenty of times I've seen you beleagured on a thread, holding off hordes by yourself, and I refuse to take your back. Because I know YOU started it.

I don't think you support and defend Quincy. I support and defend Quincy. You overact to extremists with your own out of the ballpark views. You vastly, VASTLY overrate both his performance and his potential. He is not in any way, shape, or form the QB Troy Aikman was, and imo, will never be. You CAN over-rate accuracy when the player doesn't have the other talents needed to survive in the NFL, but you cannot over-rate it when he has the additional qualities of good decision making, sufficent athleticism, and leadership. Aikman, whether you consider him "managed" or a star, ultimate bus driver or a guy who could win some on his own, was a winner.

You are also VERY HARD on the rest of the team. The D, the receivers, the online. Fair enough. Fans can be glass half empty or all empty if they want. But you are so glass overbrimming with fullness for Q, that the comparison is glaring. You never seem to say anything positive about anyone but Carter. If you do, it's so buried beneath the hype for Q that it is overlooked.

So I turn the screw on those posters, they ask for it and then they get upset, and start posting insults. To me that is when the comedy starts, thats when they show their true colors to me, along with their maturity and intlelligence level.

I have admitted that on many occasions that mess with them on purpose. H
ow people get angry about something they have no control over is beyond me, and it is very silly, but I'm the arrogant one. I never throw out stats, I never come really insult people unless they go a little too far.

I know for most it is what a poster from my board calls computer bravery, whatever floats their boat. because I know if we were to meet in person they woud not even think twice about making insults.

That's what I meant by getting played. You don't sink to the level of the insults because you can keep your cool. That's how message board debates are won, in the final analysis. The guy or gal who doesn't lose it wins. But most folks get beyond that testostrone type posting pattern pretty quick. They move from one upmanship to an honest exchange of opinions, without the ego involved. But when you bait posters, they can never get to that point.

It is human nature not to be able to forgive people who we have said nasty things to. As the proverb goes, it is easy to forgive what others do to us. It is near impossible to forgive them for what we have done to them. Not everyone who you bait into insulting you is able to get past it. That's why all you have to do is lay one post down and all hell breaks loose. :D

Now, RW31, wants to call me Gay, if I am it better be because I'm happy.

RW31 is a teenager. He is an adolescent. In fact, he is a child. You don't play video games like a kid, but you are trading barbs with them.

To each his own, Sarge, and I do enjoy what you bring to the table most of the time. But in the final analysis, you are no friend of Quincy Carter, imho, because all the emotions you rile up get transferred to him.

[BHendri5]

Sarge, I know where you are and what you're doing and respect you tremendously for it. That you're serving your country and I am not maybe shouldn't be in the equation here, but for me it is. I come from a family where all the males served, and a few of the females, so for me it's about solidarity. I know you bust balls but because you're doing what you do, in my mind I cut you some slack. Not that you're asking for it, but I do. I also know, after reading your posts for a year now, that you know how the draft works. :p

On the other hand, there have been plenty of times I've seen you beleagured on a thread, holding off hordes by yourself, and I refuse to take your back. Because I know YOU started it.

I don't think you support and defend Quincy. I support and defend Quincy. You overact to extremists with your own out of the ballpark views. You vastly, VASTLY overrate both his performance and his potential. He is not in any way, shape, or form the QB Troy Aikman was, and imo, will never be. You CAN over-rate accuracy when the player doesn't have the other talents needed to survive in the NFL, but you cannot over-rate it when he has the additional qualities of good decision making, sufficent athleticism, and leadership. Aikman, whether you consider him "managed" or a star, ultimate bus driver or a guy who could win some on his own, was a winner.

You are also VERY HARD on the rest of the team. The D, the receivers, the online. Fair enough. Fans can be glass half empty or all empty if they want. But you are so glass overbrimming with fullness for Q, that the comparison is glaring. You never seem to say anything positive about anyone but Carter. If you do, it's so buried beneath the hype for Q that it is overlooked.



That's what I meant by getting played. You don't sink to the level of the insults because you can keep your cool. That's how message board debates are won, in the final analysis. The guy or gal who doesn't lose it wins. But most folks get beyond that testostrone type posting pattern pretty quick. They move from one upmanship to an honest exchange of opinions, without the ego involved. But when you bait posters, they can never get to that point.

It is human nature not to be able to forgive people who we have said nasty things to. As the proverb goes, it is easy to forgive what others do to us. It is near impossible to forgive them for what we have done to them. Not everyone who you bait into insulting you is able to get past it. That's why all you have to do is lay one post down and all hell breaks loose. :D



RW31 is a teenager. He is an adolescent. In fact, he is a child. You don't play video games like a kid, but you are trading barbs with them.

To each his own, Sarge, and I do enjoy what you bring to the table most of the time. But in the final analysis, you are no friend of Quincy Carter, imho, because all the emotions you rile up get transferred to him.




Fair, I disagree with you about who starts it, and I still say all you have to do is look at the archives and the majority of my posts are responses.
I also disagree with you on how I look at the rest of the team, the DBs the receivers etc. You know if anyone else does not do their job Carter gets blamed, or the QB for that matter, and in this case it is Carter. If the recievers has drops, some posters blame Carter saying he did not throw it right.
I support him and I defend him, I have done it here, in the DMN, On my message board and the startelegram, and I have always been asked why do I defend him. But here it seems they cannot accept that someone can find positives in the guy.

Yes he is no aikman, and trust me I do not want him to even try and imitate the guy, aikman is done he is gone, it is time to put him in the past along with his accomplishments.
Carter has his own destiny to build, and he has talents that aikman did not have as aikman had talents the Carter does not have, but no one can say that he cannot develop those talents, but some do.

Your final analysis I also disagree with.
This is the funny thing about you and I and some others we can agrea and disagree and not have a problem, and move on to the next subject, and not keep hashing out something that either person wants to give in on.
Also when you and I make a good point we give each other that credit, as well and move on wether we still basically disagree.

That is what a mature debate is and I get more joy in those type of debates than I do when I wokr people.

[Roughneck]

I agree with everything you say, but why in the world do you insist on calling Aikman the greatest Cowboys of all time when that distinction clearly goes to Bob Lilly.

Don't get me wrong, I love Troy, but it's arguable if Troy was even the best QB the Cowboys have ever had, while there is no disputing Lilly's impact.te-Considering the fact that this isn't the first time you have addressed me on this topic, I am going to go ahead and just post the same response as I did last time:

"Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I respect Bob Lilly tremendously and can see why you would call him the King. Hell, I'm proud to say that he lives in my hometown. :D

Me? I choose to call Troy (the man who led us to 3 Super Bowl Victories) the King of all Cowboys. Once again, that's just me."

[Tio]

RW31 is a teenager. He is an adolescent. In fact, he is a child. You don't play video games like a kid, but you are trading barbs with them.

I do not need anyone defending me. I did not say anything wrong. I gave my preference of rather growing up to play video games(i love video games, why change that?)than to be a homosexual(not that there is anything wrong with that ;) )and he can take it as he wants. He is on my ignore list, so i do not know what he has said about me, and I don't care. I just don't like being handicapped.

[Hostile]

Madden, huh? You say I live in a fantasy world? You play Madden, obviously and I bet you play fantasy football also.
But I'm living in a fantasy world? LOL

I do not play Madden, none of that stuff, nor do I play fantasy football. I marvel at Grown men playing playstation, listening to them talk about it, talk about getting together to play games, at my barbershop they have PS2 set up.

I see it as a game for the kids, and me as a grwon man sitting in front of the television playing a game with one or 2 or a bunch of men is silly to me.
Actually I don't play Madden or any video games for that matter. Once again you miss the mark.

You actually passed marksmanship? Couldn't prove it by me.

[Hostile]

:D This is classic. Signature worthy material :D
By all means, be my guest Solomon. Go ahead and post it out of context too. I could care less.