Keyshawn/Bledsoe threads merged

[KobeEgan]

Keyshawn went off on Bledsoe when he told him to hold onto the ball tighter or something. Wasn't watching the game at the time, but my dad told me he did...could it be Tampa all over? I doubt it, but still, he can't be doing crap like that

[Anguillidae]

Parcells "talked" to Keyshawn about that play. After that, no problem... :)

[SupermanXx]

I swear this is gonna get INSANE amounts of coverage in the B.S. media (and maybe some B.S. posters on here too) but dude, Aikman said nobody should look too much into it because it's all part of the game

plus, Keyshawn and Bledsoe gave each other a pat on the back afterwards and were shown on the sidelines talking multiple times afterwards and even smiling

so please, I don't want to see a million topics on this issue because folks, it's a non-issue

[Dale]

I'm not worried about Keyshawn here. He'll have his moments - like today - but as long as Parcells is here, I think Keyshawn will be just fine.

[NovaCowboy]

I just read they were yelling at each other on the sideline after Me fumbled the ball.

[Sarge]

Keyshawn went off on Bledsoe when he told him to hold onto the ball tighter or something. Wasn't watching the game at the time, but my dad told me he did...could it be Tampa all over? I doubt it, but still, he can't be doing crap like that

By the end of the game - it was all forgotten. End of story. It was the heat of the moment.

[KobeEgan]

I swear this is gonna get INSANE amounts of coverage in the B.S. media (and maybe some B.S. posters on here too) but dude, Aikman said nobody should look too much into it because it's all part of the game

plus, Keyshawn and Bledsoe gave each other a pat on the back afterwards and were shown on the sidelines talking multiple times afterwards and even smiling

so please, I don't want to see a million topics on this issue because folks, it's a non-issue

alright. I didn't see it happen so was just wondering what happened and all. thanks for clearing it up for me everybody. I didn't think it would be to big of a deal, but jw what happened

[Cbz40]

It was just something that happened during the heat of the game. Forget about it.

[Dallas]

Bledsoe even said it was done and over 30 seconds after it happened. He said he told Key to hold onto the ball better and Key being an emotinal guy like himself had something to say about it. Thats what happened. After that...it was over. They were looking at what to do next.

Nothing to make of it really.

[LaTunaNostra]

Yah, it's over, but I hope Bledsoe learned you don't go patronize a player with Keyshawn Johnson's experience, guts, pride and will to win after he's made a 'mistake' that you yourself contributed to by leading him into traffic.

Johnson is his own biggest critic when it come to being clutch..no one can make him feel worse than he already does when he's involved in a turn over to any extent.

No need for condescension or Football 101 bromides to a warrior like KJ.

Bet your life Drew never pulls that crap again.

[Dallas]

Yah, it's over, but I hope Bledsoe learned you don't go patronize a player with Keyshawn Johnson's experience, guts, pride and will to win after he's made a 'mistake' that you yourself contributed to by leading him into traffic.

Johnson is his own biggest critic when it come to being clutch..no one can make him feel worse than he already does when he's involved in a turn over to any extent.

No need for condescension or Football 101 bromides to a warrior like KJ.

Bet your life Drew never pulls that crap again.

Ohhh you can bank ole Bledsoe wont call Key out like that again. Bledsoe was wrong. The team was up bigtime on Philly. There was no need to go and patronize (great word Barb) Key like he did.

All is done.

Giants up next. I cant wait. Lets beat that Manning Arse good.

I bet the dogs are unleashed on him next week.

[MikeD17]

LATUNA YOU TOOK THe very words out of my mouth. in that case bledsoe doesnt need to say anything to keyshawn , just chalked it up as a nice hit by the defense and move on your up by 20 points fairly late in the ball game.

my respect for la tuna grows!! :star:

[Drme2MkBlve]

Off topic but I had to mention to Dallas that the pic in his sig says it all. They got burned....all jokes aside I really do feel that none of this has any importance to the win nor does it warrant any attention to. It happens. But we remind ourselves of the Larry and Jose (whom has been nicknamed pancho by some) incident and that carried on for about a week. Come game time next week when we face off against the giants, it will all be forgotten and everyone will be talking about how dallas is 4 and 2. Thank you. Goodnight.

[Redball Express]

I'm not sure it's such a non-issue.

Keyshawn's moniker is "Give me the damn ball..!!"

Drew has served the ball up to him alot and so far it's been win not lose..

..but had it been a close game..it could have been the difference in winning or losing.

According to the Philly Inquirer..here's what was said:

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Johnson was caught on camera yapping at Bledsoe and had to be separated from his quarterback.

"I had just fumbled and I didn't want anything said from a negative standpoint," Johnson said. "And let him know about it."

Bledsoe said he did address Johnson on the sideline.

"I was just unhappy about the turnover at that point," he said. "I just said something to him about it and he responded. It was over in about 30 seconds... . We didn't kiss and make up, but it is done with."

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The fact is, Key was double-covered on that play and I don't think he really expected Drew to throw it and it surprised Key and he just didn't have a chance to get it and pull it in before he was stripped.

Drew would have liked to have it back I'm sure, both the pass and whatever was said on the sidelines.

But there are times Keyshawn just goes too far with stuff he pulls. Last year I remember him blatantly kicking some opponent guy down on the ground after he recovered a fumble/interception and drawing a 15 yd. penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

And there are other things he's done since arriving here that makes me mistrust him.

As long as BP is here, I suppose we have to put up with his thug attitiude. But I sure wish we had another big, PR we could play some and sit Key when he pulls this stuff. To me, he's a tinderbox waiting to ignite on this team and cause divisions within it.

Teams know if they can get under his skin, he can be intimidated and lose his composure. Not a good thing for a guy that's supossed to be a LEADER on this team.

And Key sure targeted the wrong guy to vent to in Bledsoe. The guy can easy start looking to others to throw to. Peerless Price at the head of the list if Key goes too far again.

Nobody is bigger than the team. Key has forgotten that. I suspect if that happens again or anthing like it..he'll sit on the bench for several games.

Not even BP will not allow Key to divide this team or be a sizable distraction.

The more successful this team is, the less tolerence BP will have for thug behavior. He's said that many, many times in the past and made significant roster moves to back it up.

Key better watch it. When his mouth out-talks his talent..he's going to have a big surprise. Key needs to remember who is throw him those balls.

Perhaps he'd prefer Henson or Romo at this point...?

What an idiot..Key. keep it up.

parcellswaterboy

[Chief]

Of course, none of us know exactly what was said, but one player was out of control on the sidelines and it wasn't Bledsoe.

It was the same guy who wore out his welcome in New York and was fired in Tampa Bay.

And the only thing worse than that was calling an end around or reverse or whatever it was with Keyshawn carrying the ball. That was a good play with Raghib Ismail, but it doesn't work as well when the guy carrying the ball is slower than the head coach.

[Richmond Cowboy]

I think Bledsoe said "Hold on to the ball like a #1 receiver would, you #2...."

[NovaCowboy]

Johnson, Bledsoe downplay sideline argumentAssociated Press


IRVING, Texas -- Keyshawn Johnson was thrown the darn ball, but he sure didn't like what Drew Bledsoe said to him after coughing it up.

Bledsoe and Johnson engaged in a heated sideline exchange during the third quarter of the Dallas Cowboys' 33-10 victory against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday. Both players said afterward there were no hard feelings.

"We're not mad at each other at all," Johnson said. "It's not a Drew vs. Keyshawn, Keyshawn don't like Drew ... it's none of that."

The verbal spat began after Johnson fumbled when Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard rammed his helmet squarely on the ball. Sheldon Brown recovered the fumble and returned it 80 yards for the Eagles' only touchdown.

Bledsoe confronted Johnson for losing the football, which instantly annoyed the outspoken 10-year veteran. Johnson stormed toward his quarterback and barked at him for several seconds before receivers coach Todd Haley pushed Johnson away.

"At that point in the game I felt like we were absolutely manhandling them," said Bledsoe, who threw for 289 yards and three touchdowns. "When we turned the ball over I wasn't happy about that."

It was a criticism Johnson didn't appreciate.

"I'm not the type of person to point fingers at anybody, and I don't want anybody saying anything to me," said Johnson, who caught six passes for 47 yards. "There are situations where balls are bounced to your feet you don't say anything."

Both were candid about the shouting match, but made it clear that the incident wasn't indicative of problems brewing between them.

Cowboys coach Bill Parcells, who previously coached Johnson with the Jets and Bledsoe with the Patriots, was also unfazed by the brief disruption.

"I got two high-strung players, you know?" Parcells said. "That's it."

[Cowboy Lover]

Although I don't blame Key...he's a hardworker and that was a tough hit.

But I like Bledsoe going after our guys. You think Aikman never yelled at a few guys?

That was just two very competitive, emotional veterans that give a damn no matter what the score is.

[Cowboy Lover]

Johnson, Bledsoe downplay sideline argumentAssociated Press


IRVING, Texas -- Keyshawn Johnson was thrown the darn ball, but he sure didn't like what Drew Bledsoe said to him after coughing it up.

Bledsoe and Johnson engaged in a heated sideline exchange during the third quarter of the Dallas Cowboys' 33-10 victory against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday. Both players said afterward there were no hard feelings.

"We're not mad at each other at all," Johnson said. "It's not a Drew vs. Keyshawn, Keyshawn don't like Drew ... it's none of that."

The verbal spat began after Johnson fumbled when Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard rammed his helmet squarely on the ball. Sheldon Brown recovered the fumble and returned it 80 yards for the Eagles' only touchdown.

Bledsoe confronted Johnson for losing the football, which instantly annoyed the outspoken 10-year veteran. Johnson stormed toward his quarterback and barked at him for several seconds before receivers coach Todd Haley pushed Johnson away.

"At that point in the game I felt like we were absolutely manhandling them," said Bledsoe, who threw for 289 yards and three touchdowns. "When we turned the ball over I wasn't happy about that."

It was a criticism Johnson didn't appreciate.

"I'm not the type of person to point fingers at anybody, and I don't want anybody saying anything to me," said Johnson, who caught six passes for 47 yards. "There are situations where balls are bounced to your feet you don't say anything."

Both were candid about the shouting match, but made it clear that the incident wasn't indicative of problems brewing between them.

Cowboys coach Bill Parcells, who previously coached Johnson with the Jets and Bledsoe with the Patriots, was also unfazed by the brief disruption.

"I got two high-strung players, you know?" Parcells said. "That's it."


"Balls bounced to your feet" aren't turnovers.


If bled was wrong...so was Key. He should accept the resonsibility andmove on.

[NovaCowboy]

But I like Bledsoe going after our guys. You think Aikman never yelled at a few guys?

Ive seen Aikman do quite a bit of yelling even when this team was at the top of its game.

Leaders do that, its not suprising Meshawn has a problem with it.

[LaTunaNostra]

I'm not sure it's such a non-issue.

Keyshawn's moniker is "Give me the damn ball..!!"

Drew has served the ball up to him alot and so far it's been win not lose..

..but had it been a close game..it could have been the difference in winning or losing.

We don't know what Drew said..may not know for awhile..but I'm guessing it wasn't anything incriminating..

..something like "well, they sure picked your pocket on that play.."

or something similar and Keyshawn took it to mean he did something wrong.

The fact is, Key was double-covered on that play and I don't think he really expected Drew to throw it and it surprised Key and he just didn't have a chance to get it and pull it in before he was stripped.

Drew would have liked to have it back I'm sure, both the pass and whatever was said on the sidelines.

But there are times Keyshawn just goes too far with stuff he pulls. Last year I remember him blatantly kicking some opponent guy down on the ground after he recovered a fumble/interception and drawing a 15 yd. penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

And there are other things he's done since arriving here that makes me mistrust him.

As long as BP is here, I suppose we have to put up with his thug attitiude. But I sure wish we had another big, PR we could play some and sit Key when he pulls this stuff. To me, he's a tinderbox waiting to ignite on this team and cause divisions within it.

Teams know if they can get under his skin, he can be intimidated and lose his composure. Not a good thing for a guy that's supossed to be a LEADER on this team.

And Key sure targeted the wrong guy to vent to in Bledsoe. The guy can easy start looking to others to throw to. Peerless Price at the head of the list if Key goes too far again.

Nobody is bigger than the team. Key has forgotten that. I suspect if that happens again or anthing like it..he'll sit on the bench for several games.

Not even BP will not allow Key to divide this team or be a sizable distraction.

The more successful this team is, the less tolerence BP will have for thug behavior. He's said that many, many times in the past and made significant roster moves to back it up.

Key better watch it. When his mouth out-talks his talent..he's going to have a big surprise. Key needs to remember who is throw him those balls.

Perhaps he'd prefer Henson or Romo at this point...?

What an idiot..Key. keep it up.

parcellswaterboy

I respect your take but think it's over-reactive, particuarly the 'thug behavior' aspect.

Key is very volatile, always was - always will be, Yes, it is incumbent upon him to try and control his emotions. But his fiery nature is a very positive ingredient in the team mix, I think. We NEED it.

IMO Bledsoe, was flat out wrong to say anything at all critical to a ten year vet who hangs his pride on winning, and saying it immediately after that type of play, when the receiver is already abashed. It's humiilating enough to lose the ball in that fashion, on national tv, in front of the home town fans. No one needs the added value of a 'learn to hold on" in full view of the cameras.

A rook or young player, go ahead, and make him aware of what you think he did wrong. But Keyshawn Johnson has earned the privilege of not being talked down to.

You don't condescend to a peer. Had I been Key, I'd have told him to go F himself in no uncertain terms. You don't talk down to and shame a fellow vet publically. And if you feel you have to make a point, you wait til he cools down, and do it privately.

Bledsoe has always had this "I'm never at fault" problen,. THAT is what I hope does not rear its ugly head here, because it colored his previous tenures in NE and Buffalo. He is patronizing by by nature and that's why his particular brand of leadership has never been very successful.

With as good a game as Drew had today, with the score so far ahead, why did Bledsoe even consider making a remark..especially since the play itself was not clear cut on Johnson?

Go be the man with Copper or Rector. That won't fly with Johnson, who has to respect the QB he works with, and expects respect in return.

As Troy said, no big deal, and it will blow over, but it was Drew who was wrong, not Key. Bledsoe is the one who needs the attitude adjustment, if anyone does. My guess is Drew has already apologized.

There is no thuggery here that I see..just a dynamic and charismatic player refusing to be treated like a rookie.

[big dog cowboy]

"At that point in the game I felt like we were absolutely manhandling them," said Bledsoe
Think that quote will get replayed in Philly before we play them next time?

[Gibby!]

The 15 yard penalty was because someone laid a late hit on T.G. Keyshawn came to back him up and got flagged. I don't have a problem with that. It was last season for starters.

What I have a problem with is the way he got right in his face, and started rubbin his head all over Bledsoe, emotional or not thats a no-no no matter who you are.

[Nors]

Drew needed to do what he did - this is HIS offense. Chicken littles can take that for what its worth. Key fumbled and was at fault - period. Bledsoe had the balls to get into him. kUDO'S ---- Thats been lacking here for a long, long time....

[Cowboy Lover]

I respect your take but think it's over-reactive, particuarly the 'thug behavior' aspect.

Key is very volatile, always was - always will be, Yes, it is incumbent upon him to try and control his emotions. But his fiery nature is a very positive ingredient in the team mix, I think. We NEED it.

IMO Bledsoe, was flat out wrong to say anything at all critical to a ten year vet who hangs his pride on winning, and saying it immediately after that type of play, when the receiver is already abashed. It's humiilating enough to lose the ball in that fashion, on national tv, in front of the home town fans. No one needs the added value of a 'learn to hold on" in full view of the cameras.

A rook or young player, go ahead, and make him aware of what you think he did wrong. But Keyshawn Johnson has earned the privilege of not being talked down to.

You don't condescend to a peer. Had I been Key, I'd have told him to go F himself in no uncertain terms. You don't talk down to and shame a fellow vet publically. And if you feel you have to make a point, you wait til he cools down, and do it privately.

Bledsoe has always had this "I'm never at fault" problen,. THAT is what I hope does not rear its ugly head here, because it colored his previous tenures in NE and Buffalo. He is patronizing by by nature and that's why his particular brand of leadership has never been very successful.

With as good a game as Drew had today, with the score so far ahead, why did Bledsoe even consider making a remark..especially since the play itself was not clear cut on Johnson?

Go be the man with Copper or Rector. That won't fly with Johnson, who has to respect the QB he works with, and expects respect in return.

As Troy said, no big deal, and it will blow over, but it was Drew who was wrong, not Key. Bledsoe is the one who needs the attitude adjustment, if anyone does. My guess is Drew has already apologized.

There is no thuggery here that I see..just a dynamic and charismatic player refusing to be treated like a rookie.

I disagree with all that crap you just posted. Long winded excuse and using this to hammer on bledsoe. Nice.


Key should take it like a man. No matter what...it was Key that fumbled it. Too short a temper.

If it was me...I would said..."right drew. That was me. Keep them coming htough. I'll make the play."

End of discussion no drama.

[SupermanXx]

Cowboylover and Parcellswaterboy...

[NovaCowboy]

As Troy said, no big deal, and it will blow over, but it was Drew who was wrong, not Key. Bledsoe is the one who needs the attitude adjustment, if anyone does. My guess is Drew has already apologized.

Apologize for what?

Autonomy at QB is what we've had since Aikman hung up his cleats. I dont have a problem at all with what Drew did.

If Me had a problem with what was said a simple F you would have sufficed.

Either way, Drews the leader of the team, I dont want him apologizing for it.

[Double Trouble]

I disagree with all that crap you just posted. Long winded excuse and using this to hammer on bledsoe. Nice.


Key should take it like a man. No matter what...it was Key that fumbled it. Too short a temper.

If it was me...I would said..."right drew. That was me. Keep them coming htough. I'll make the play."

End of discussion no drama.KJ's an ex-Jet. What did you think she'd say?

[SupermanXx]

Keyshawn Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, AND Bill Parcells... all 3 of them don't give a **** about it, and they've moved on

leave it to cowboylover and parcellswaterboy to waste their time caring

[NovaCowboy]

Keyshawn Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, AND Bill Parcells... all 3 of them don't give a **** about it, and they've moved on

leave it to cowboylover and parcellswaterboy to waste their time caring

The grown ups are talking now, run along and play.

[LaTunaNostra]

Drew needed to do what he did - this is HIS offense. Chicken littles can take that for what its worth. Key fumbled and was at fault - period. Bledsoe had the balls to get into him. kUDO'S ---- Thats been lacking here for a long, long time....
We'll see if he ever has the balls to do anything like it again, Nors.

But my guess is he will handle Key with kid gloves on from here on in.

This is not, after five short weeks, Drew Bledsoe' team..and he is smart enough to know it.

Did you catch the remarks he made "this game was important to guys who have been here a long time"? That's because he knows enough to give some props to the players whose team this really is..like Dat Nguyen, like Larry Allen, like Greg Ellis, and like Flozell Adams.

Key has been here just one year longer than Bledsoe, but both are caretakers at their positions, and would do well to keep that in mind.

Let's see, after Drew's next pick or sack, LA giving him the business. Or Flo. Or even Dan.

But they won't..just as Terry said nothing last week when the final play ended with a ball spiked to the turf in front of him.

ALL players make mistakes and it is up to the coaches to call them out, not players in the uni for five mere weeks, regardless of their positions.

Bledsoe ain't Troy Aikman - he's caretaker - til he's earned his stripes - shut up and throw the ball.

And for once, some time down the road, take some blame for something. It goes a long way in being both respected and liked.

[Nors]

Bledsoe after this incident is clearly in charge of this offense.

And from a Vegas front.....

Bledsoe would kick Key's *** in a fight. I LOVE that Bledsoe got into him. Team needs to react and Key steps into line....

[SupermanXx]

The grown ups are talking now, run along and play.

and what are you gonna do, grandpa?

[LaTunaNostra]

I disagree with all that crap you just posted. Long winded excuse and using this to hammer on bledsoe. Nice.


Key should take it like a man. No matter what...it was Key that fumbled it. Too short a temper.

If it was me...I would said..."right drew. That was me. Keep them coming htough. I'll make the play."

End of discussion no drama.
Dollars to donuts, Drew never does it again.

That's the end of the discussion.

[ddh33]

For what it's worth, I think a lot of this is coming from some serious desire and competitiveness. I would almost guarantee that if everything had happened exactly the same way but instead of being picked and ran back for the touchdown and the ball had fallen harmlessly to the ground - even if Drew had said the same thing, I doubt Key would have been that agressive about it.

I don't think any of this is an issue though. I think Bill was right. He's got two great competitors. Both guys were fine afterwards. It was just a heat of the moment type of thing.

[Nors]

LTN

Just the opposite Drew owned Key in that battle. Who fumbled? Who was right? Bledsoe earned his stripes and is taking this team. Key after his Tampa issues needs discipline - JMO

Infact we may be a better team with Crayton and Price....

[SupermanXx]

oh and by the way guys, Troy Aikman during the confrontation dismissed it as nothing and said "nobody should look into this too much, it's just all part of the game."

Bill Parcells, Drew Bledsoe, Keyshawn Johnson AND Troy Aikman have moved on

end of discussion

[NovaCowboy]

But my guess is he will handle Key with kid gloves on from here on in.

Not if Drew is worth a damn as a leader.

[LaTunaNostra]

LTN

Just the opposite Drew owned Key in that battle. Who fumbled? Who was right? Bledsoe earned his stripes and is taking this team. Key after his Tampa issues needs discipline - JMO

Infact we may be a better team with Crayton and Price....
LMAO Nors...and a year from now I am sure we will be be a better tea m with Henson. :laugh2:

[Nors]

Dollars to donuts, Drew never does it again.

That's the end of the discussion.You are the queen of end of discussion - LOL



Drew is going to do it again - He got in the face of a guy who made a critical fumble! Great leadership - something lacking in Dallas for 10 years!


Go Drew! LTN and Miki - this has to suck all the success Drew is living!

[NovaCowboy]

and what are you gonna do, grandpa?

I just did.

[Redball Express]

I respect your take but think it's over-reactive, particuarly the 'thug behavior' aspect.

Key is very volatile, always was - always will be, Yes, it is incumbent upon him to try and control his emotions. But his fiery nature is a very positive ingredient in the team mix, I think. We NEED it.

IMO Bledsoe, was flat out wrong to say anything at all critical to a ten year vet who hangs his pride on winning, and saying it immediately after that type of play, when the receiver is already abashed. It's humiilating enough to lose the ball in that fashion, on national tv, in front of the home town fans. No one needs the added value of a 'learn to hold on" in full view of the cameras.

A rook or young player, go ahead, and make him aware of what you think he did wrong. But Keyshawn Johnson has earned the privilege of not being talked down to.

You don't condescend to a peer. Had I been Key, I'd have told him to go F himself in no uncertain terms. You don't talk down to and shame a fellow vet publically. And if you feel you have to make a point, you wait til he cools down, and do it privately.

Bledsoe has always had this "I'm never at fault" problen,. THAT is what I hope does not rear its ugly head here, because it colored his previous tenures in NE and Buffalo. He is patronizing by by nature and that's why his particular brand of leadership has never been very successful.

With as good a game as Drew had today, with the score so far ahead, why did Bledsoe even consider making a remark..especially since the play itself was not clear cut on Johnson?

Go be the man with Copper or Rector. That won't fly with Johnson, who has to respect the QB he works with, and expects respect in return.

As Troy said, no big deal, and it will blow over, but it was Drew who was wrong, not Key. Bledsoe is the one who needs the attitude adjustment, if anyone does. My guess is Drew has already apologized.

There is no thuggery here that I see..just a dynamic and charismatic player refusing to be treated like a rookie.

We're going to agree to disagree on this one.

I live down here in Florida and watched Key's behavior and attitiude problems closely when he played in TB and he pulled the same crap there that he is starting to pull in Dallas.

When Dallas announced they were interested in him, I realized they were searching desparately for a PR, but Key is a very calculated risk.

Before Key left TB, everybody, the coaches to the fans hated the guy for his attitiude, selfishness and poor team committment.

It was much the same in NY.

He hasn't changed. Sorry. He's just in a place where they don't know him well yet in Dallas, with a coach and team that is so desparate to win, they are willing to look the other way when it comes to Key and his behaviour.

He's a distraction waiting to happen. In his prime, Key was another TO.

Tell me what you think of TO..?

He can divide a team quicker than you could believe...you are seing it happen in Philly right now with the off-season TO put them thru. Key did much the same to TB the year after they won their only SB.

If he isn't the focal point of the offense he'll go into a slump. Terry Glenn's emergence is probably grinding on Key and has something to do with the outburst. Just my personal feeling.

Glenn and Bledsoe are carrying the offense and Key has made several great plays, but he doesn't break open games like Glenn can and he rarely gets double-coverage like Witten or Glenn. Key doesn't get the respect from the opposing teams.

He needs to be darn sure he doesn't lose it from his own team.

Key thinks he's the number one WR, trust me. And he will always tell you so...even if he's not.

And he's well aware of the fact even the team was concerned about his play and brought in Peerless Price.

So I think you are seeing the tip of the iceberg with Key and him feeling some pressure from all this and again..

I'd say..

Key..beware.

Even BP will only take so much. Bledsoe can do little wrong in BP's eyes. The guy is leading the league with his play.

Key..on the other hand..is basically leading with his mouth..again.

parcellswaterboy

[LaTunaNostra]

You are the queen of end of discussion - LOL



Drew is going to do it again - He got in the face of a guy who made a critical fumble! Great leadership - something lacking in Dallas for 10 years!


Go Drew! LTN and Miki - this has to suck all the success Drew is living!
Laugh!

All the success Bill is having re-creating Drew again, you mean? :rolleyes:

I'm just glad Tuna isn't being brought down by one of the more adept coach killers in the league...so every completion, every yard, every win is even more glory for Bill Parcells.

He's doing what Carroll, Zampese, Mumbles, Gilbride, Williams, and potentially Malarkey could not.

Keep his job and play Drew Bledsoe. :laugh2:

[LaTunaNostra]

We're going to agree to disagree on this one.



Yes, we are going to have to disagree on this one.

I live in NE and have caught Bledsoe's 'nothing is ever my fault' act just as you caught Key's act in Florida.

We've got two good players who are not perfect. You see thuggery in one; I see undue arrogance in another.

But they're both 'OUR' players, and we could do far worse.

We could have :) TO and Jeff George issues.

So as Troy suggested, I'm willing to let this one go - the players are, I'd wager.

[Cowboy Lover]

Keyshawn Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, AND Bill Parcells... all 3 of them don't give a **** about it, and they've moved on

leave it to cowboylover and parcellswaterboy to waste their time caring

, dude? What's your problem.

I said it was a non issue.

I gave my opinion about Key. I like they guy. I really do. He just needs to shut up now and then.


I also think using this to bag on Bledsoe is dumb.

ANd you're post?...what a moron it's a discussion board, silly.

[Nors]

LMAO Nors...and a year from now I am sure we will be be a better tea m with Henson. :laugh2:

Want a mulligan? Bledsoe beat out Henson fair and square and will do so for as far as he feels like playing. Not even close - in fact Romo had beat Henson ourt last 2 years as #2. You and Miki are taking it in the muffler on Bledsoe sux rants....lol

[Kilyin]

Purcells has Keyshawn in line. It's probably a father figure role that Gruden couldn't fill, but Key looked like a little boy on the sideline when Bill was yellin' at him after the argument. His expression changed quick, when he saw dad was mad.

[ScottCase]

Want a mulligan? Bledsoe beat out Henson fair and square and will do so for as far as he feels like playing. Not even close - in fact Romo had beat Henson ourt last 2 years as #2. You and Miki are taking it in the muffler on Bledsoe sux rants....lol
People are still talking about America's biggest fraud : Drew Henson??? OMG! Give it a rest!!! He's only here b/c a face save for JJ.

[SupermanXx]

what a moron it's a discussion board, silly.


:laugh2:

[LaTunaNostra]

Want a mulligan? Bledsoe beat out Henson fair and square and will do so for as far as he feels like playing. Not even close - in fact Romo had beat Henson ourt last 2 years as #2. You and Miki are taking it in the muffler on Bledsoe sux rants....lol
Nors seriously, I'm thrilled with Drew's 'comeback' this year..tho he won't qualify for the official 'Comeback of the Year" award the other Drew won last season.

Love the game he's playing lately, but personally, I will never care for him, not until just once, just once I see him take another player's back. Just once, be it on the field as Key did with Terry last season, or back a guy up who's having contract issues or whatnot.

Like Aikman did with Irvin, no matter what hot water Mike got himself into, did he ever ever ever doubt, Troy loved him?

Seeing those guys at the ROH with their arms around each other, the glances between them..that comes with winning and with rings and with success, but it is also the measure of the man himself - something more than football, a human bonding and a warrior's regard for what was gone thru together.
The same kind of deep regard that brings Tuna's ex-players flocking to him, or long retired ones getting teary talking about what the experience of playing for him meant.

None of that almost mystical regard of one teammate for another has ever been a part of the Bledsoe persona, story, or game. And that's too bad, for him.

Too bad Bledsoe never got to experience what Aikman or Tom Brady did - but leadership is what more than anything does separate Troy and Tom from Drew. Leadership is what Brady brought to NE that Drew had not. And sadly, when I see Drew's first reaction is to play the blame game, in some mistaken idea that public demonstrations of pecking order is what commands respect, I see the spectre of his failed leadership in NE rear its head. I see what was lacking and why that team so readily embraced a sixth round nobody.

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time. For one thing, I admire what Key made of himself and knowing where he came from, and what a survivor he is, the journey he had to take to success fuels my admiration even more. Both players are damn good men and give back a lot to the community, but for Keyshawn, it's a double victory to be able to do so. And I love how Key connects.

Johnson is genuine and just, well, my kinda guy, and whether he's a Jet, Buc, or Cowboy, I love him.

So okay, you've got a mulligan.

But don't think for a minute Key couldn't wipe the floor with Drew in a heartbeat. LOL

[BlueWave]

Nors seriously, I'm thrilled with Drew's 'comeback' this year..tho he won't qualify for the official 'Comeback of the Year" award the other Drew won last season.

Love the game he's playing lately, but personally, I will never care for him, not until just once, just once I see him take another player's back. Just once, be it on the field as Key did with Terry last season, or back a guy up who's having contract issues or whatnot.

Like Aikman did with Irvin, no matter what hot water Mike got himself into, did he ever ever ever doubt, Troy loved him?

Seeing those guys at the ROH with their arms around each other, the glances between them..that comes with winning and with rings and with success, but it is also the measure of the man himself - something more than football, a human bonding and a warrior's regard for what was gone thru together.
The same kind of deep regard that brings Tuna's ex-players flocking to him, or long retired ones getting teary talking about what the experience of playing for him meant.

None of that almost mystical regard of one teammate for another has ever been a part of the Bledsoe persona, story, or game. And that's too bad, for him.

Too bad Bledsoe never got to experience what Aikman or Tom Brady did - but leadership is what more than anything does separate Troy and Tom from Drew. Leadership is what Brady brought to NE that Drew had not. And sadly, when I see Drew's first reaction is to play the blame game, in some mistaken idea that public demonstrations of pecking order is what commands respect, I see the spectre of his failed leadership in NE rear its head. I see what was lacking and why that team so readily embraced a sixth round nobody.

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time. For one thing, I admire what Key made of himself and knowing where he came from, and what a survivor he is, the journey he had to take to success fuels my admiration even more. Both players are damn good men and give back a lot to the community, but for Keyshawn, it's a double victory to be able to do so. And I love how Key connects.

Johnson is genuine and just, well, my kinda guy, and whether he's a Jet, Buc, or Cowboy, I love him.

So okay, you've got a mulligan.

But don't think for a minute Key couldn't wipe the floor with Drew in a heartbeat. LOL

Please. Bledsoe is a true leader who isn't afraid to call attention to poor execution. That doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. All players do. But he's a competitor and Johnson is as well. They will appreciate that about each other as time goes on. It's what makes them great.

By the way, Bledsoe could not have been a better soldier in regrd to the whole Brady incident. Handled it perfectly.

[Redball Express]

Yes, we are going to have to disagree on this one.

I live in NE and have caught Bledsoe's 'nothing is ever my fault' act just as you caught Key's act in Florida.

We've got two good players who are not perfect. You see thuggery in one; I see undue arrogance in another.

But they're both 'OUR' players, and we could do far worse.

We could have :) TO and Jeff George issues.

So as Troy suggested, I'm willing to let this one go - the players are, I'd wager.

Hey LTN..

we agree to agree here..

This whole team is lead by a merry band of Parcells gypses trying to give it one last shot before their careers fade.

Therefore, it's not surprising that we'd have a disagreement from two BP guys that have had a hard time admitting they do anything that's their fault.

I think they both get it from their coach, BP.

Another guy who never admits he's wrong..until it's so obvious to the rest of the world that he HAS to change.

So we'll see if these guys can keep their egos out of the mix and play this season for the team.

What a concept.

The team.

Not the individuals.

Haven't had that since '95.

Still waiting to see if we have one yet.

Team that is.

I know we have the individuals. Just watch the ESPN highlight reel all this week.

We'll see.

Later.

parcellswaterboy

[NovaCowboy]

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time.

:confused:

With that logic, I see no further need to debate this subject.

[CrazyCowboy]

It is good to see them talking......being a young team.....trying to make the playoffs.....we need all players on the same page......We kicked some beagles butt huh?

[dannywhites]

Very amusing thread.But to put this all in perspective,this is Bledsoe's team,pure and simple.
It simply does not matter how long he has been here,because when all is said and done,Parcells will do anything he has to do to win.
And plain and simple,Bledsoe is more important to this team than Johnson,and Parsells knows that.

[Irving Cowboy]

Very amusing thread.But to put this all in perspective,this is Bledsoe's team,pure and simple.
It simply does not matter how long he has been here,because when all is said and done,Parcells will do anything he has to do to win.
And plain and simple,Bledsoe is more important to this team than Johnson,and Parsells knows that.
Very amusing reply. I wonder if you realize how you contradicted yourself in such a short post.

[Nors]

Nors seriously, I'm thrilled with Drew's 'comeback' this year..tho he won't qualify for the official 'Comeback of the Year" award the other Drew won last season.

Love the game he's playing lately, but personally, I will never care for him, not until just once, just once I see him take another player's back. Just once, be it on the field as Key did with Terry last season, or back a guy up who's having contract issues or whatnot.

Like Aikman did with Irvin, no matter what hot water Mike got himself into, did he ever ever ever doubt, Troy loved him?

Seeing those guys at the ROH with their arms around each other, the glances between them..that comes with winning and with rings and with success, but it is also the measure of the man himself - something more than football, a human bonding and a warrior's regard for what was gone thru together.
The same kind of deep regard that brings Tuna's ex-players flocking to him, or long retired ones getting teary talking about what the experience of playing for him meant.

None of that almost mystical regard of one teammate for another has ever been a part of the Bledsoe persona, story, or game. And that's too bad, for him.

Too bad Bledsoe never got to experience what Aikman or Tom Brady did - but leadership is what more than anything does separate Troy and Tom from Drew. Leadership is what Brady brought to NE that Drew had not. And sadly, when I see Drew's first reaction is to play the blame game, in some mistaken idea that public demonstrations of pecking order is what commands respect, I see the spectre of his failed leadership in NE rear its head. I see what was lacking and why that team so readily embraced a sixth round nobody.

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time. For one thing, I admire what Key made of himself and knowing where he came from, and what a survivor he is, the journey he had to take to success fuels my admiration even more. Both players are damn good men and give back a lot to the community, but for Keyshawn, it's a double victory to be able to do so. And I love how Key connects.

Johnson is genuine and just, well, my kinda guy, and whether he's a Jet, Buc, or Cowboy, I love him.

So okay, you've got a mulligan.

But don't think for a minute Key couldn't wipe the floor with Drew in a heartbeat. LOL


You are jaded. I saw Bledsoe take this offense on his back and beat the Eagles yesterday. 51 other teamates are quitely applauding Drew for getting in Keys face. He screwed up and mistakes like that cost us victories. Key is immature - I can look past his offfield issues, arrests, etc. But you chest thunping for a "thuggery" Key over Drew is flawed. GRUDEN Just sent him home. Price is on the wing.....

Bledsoe had Brady's back. Your allegations are offbase and unfounded.

[Tripod]

[QUOTE=.

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time.

But don't think for a minute Key couldn't wipe the floor with Drew in a heartbeat. LOL[/QUOTE]

Remind me not to read your posts again. I think you've gone off the deep end in your attempt to justify your hate for Bledsoe and your predictions gone wrong.

[SultanOfSix]

Wow. You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. I've played football - not at a professional level, mind you, but the point still stands - and I've yelled at players in the heat of the moment. It didn't really mean anything at a PERSONAL level at that point and it's not going to mean anything afterwards.

Bledsoe will throw interceptions (let's hope not a lot), and Keyshawn (once again, let's hope not a lot) will fumble again. People make mistakes. These types of heated discussions just serve as wake up calls and rarely lead to issues later. It's only if people continuously start pointing out eath other's mistakes one after the other. And with BP around, I'm expecting that to NEVER happen, especially with two former players who respect him as much as they do.

[LaTunaNostra]

Hey LTN..

we agree to agree here..

This whole team is lead by a merry band of Parcells gypses trying to give it one last shot before their careers fade.

Therefore, it's not surprising that we'd have a disagreement from two BP guys that have had a hard time admitting they do anything that's their fault.

I think they both get it from their coach, BP.

Another guy who never admits he's wrong..until it's so obvious to the rest of the world that he HAS to change.

So we'll see if these guys can keep their egos out of the mix and play this season for the team.

What a concept.

The team.

Not the individuals.

Haven't had that since '95.

Still waiting to see if we have one yet.

Team that is.

I know we have the individuals. Just watch the ESPN highlight reel all this week.

We'll see.

Later.

parcellswaterboy

I know you want Crayton and Price starting over Terry and Key, and the Parcells vets brought in don't float your boat, but for this year at least, we need ALL the Parcells Guys playing well and epitomizing 'team'.

Tom Jackson said last night that Bledsoe was 'at fault' and I more than concur. But this won't be more than a blip on the radar screen and might even prove positive...at the very least the players won't take it as seriously as we have.

One more note re Johnson. Danny White attended the game and wrote a post describing the extent of KJ being used as a blocker yesterday. Bledsoe and JJ needed all the protection they could get in that game, and the Eagles could not touch him. Which is a large reason why we won.

Part of that success in blocking goes to Key. He's not just one of the best blocking receivers in the league, but submerges his ego to open the game up for team mates. And relishes it.

My last word on this, and it won't change.

Key didn't merit being called out like a schoolboy yesterday.

[Nors]

Remind me not to read your posts again. I think you've gone off the deep end in your attempt to justify your hate for Bledsoe and your predictions gone wrong.

spot on

[Nors]

Parcells was chewing out Key - not Bledsoe....

[Doomsday101]

I know you want Crayton and Price starting over Terry and Key, and the Parcells vets brought in don't float your boat, but for this year at least, we need ALL the Parcells Guys playing well and epitomizing 'team'.

Tom Jackson said last night that Bledsoe was 'at fault' and I more than concur. But this won't be more than a blip on the radar screen and might even prove positive...at the very least the players won't take it as seriously as we have.

One more note re Johnson. Danny White attended the game and wrote a post describing the extent of KJ being used as a blocker yesterday. Bledsoe and JJ needed all the protection they could get in that game, and the Eagles could not touch him. Which is a large reason why we won.

Part of that success in blocking goes to Key. He's not just one of the best blocking receivers in the league, but submerges his ego to open the game up for team mates. And relishes it.

My last word on this, and it won't change.




Key didn't merit being called out like a schoolboy yesterday.



Most QB are going to speak out when someone screws up. I think nothing less of key for his reaction but Drew is making it clear he is the leader of this offense and he is going to call players out when they mess up.

[percyhoward]

Imagine if this happens again in the same game situation, but instead of Key, it's another player who fumbles--one of the younger guys like Polite or Thompson, or even Crayton. Now if Bledsoe calls them out, they won't be able to say "he wouldn't do that to Keyshawn."

I'm glad Bledsoe did it, because it sends a message. He's also putting pressure on himself, in a way, because you know the next time he throws an INT, guess who will let him hear about it.

Not that I think it was contrived. It was as spontaneous as one of Bledsoe's celebrations. That's the kind of intensity I WANT to see.

[Everlastingxxx]

Meshawn is an idiot, nothing knew.

Man i love Bledsoe, dude doesn’t let anything get to him. After this game and after seeing him deal with Meshawn, i have even more respect for #11. Awesome win for the Cowboys.