G-Girls are going down, and here is why

[Champsheart]

First let me say the Giants are not a bad Football team, but really how good are they?

So far they have beat a

1-4 Arizona Team
2-3 New Orleans Team
2-3 St. Louis Team

All games also played in New York.

These 3 teams are a Recipe for any team in the NFL to whip in their own Stadium, and here is why.

Points Allowed Rankings-
Arizona - #27
New Orleans - #30
St.Louis - #31

Turn Over Diff Rankings -
Arizona -#24
New Orleans - #32
St. Louis #26

IMO they have played 3 bad football teams in their own Stadium who can not play defense and turn the ball over.
That is a recipe for any Football team to win at home.

The one decent Football Team they played was San Diego, in Charger land and they got thumped by 20 Points.

Now they come down to Big "D". We are no NO, ARZ, or STL. We do not turn the ball over, and we are playing some good D right now, and we are at home, and have a lot of confidence going in.

If we play our game I really like our chances in this one.

I think Henry will take Plax out of this game. He knows how to play him, and has had success before against him. We did a great job against Moss, and TO in limiting them, and Plax should be no different. He has been Eli's best weapon.

Newman will take out Toomer one on one.

I think our secondary matches up very well with their receivers without needing much help. That leaves a lot of guys left to watch Shockey and Barber.

The NY Giants are no bottom feeder in the NFL like the teams they have beat, but are they what everyone thinks they are? Way to early to tell, but their schedule so far has been a huge advantage for them.

They always play us tough, and I expect a good game, but I really see us winning this Football game.

[BigDDynasty]

Well said. I believe we must get our run game established. Which we will. Go Cowboys!!!!!:starspin

[Zman5]

Newman will take out Toomer one on one.

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I think Roy will take out Toomer with one shot.

[superpunk]

I think Roy will take out Toomer with one shot.
Hmmmm....I sense the second coming of Todd Pinkston this Sunday....

[Champsheart]

Well said. I believe we must get our run game established. Which we will. Go Cowboys!!!!!:starspin

If we get the running game going I think this one will be $ in the bank. We run succesfully we will completly control this game.

The NY Giants rank 31st in total Defense.

They rank #31 against the pass, and are in the middle of the pack against the run.

That run defense is a false stat though.

They have had only had to defend the run 91 times, the fewest in the NFL.

They are giving up an average of 4.5 yards per carry, which ranks #26 in the NFL.

[Eddie]

Don't belittle the enemy. They will be a test for us.

The Giants beat who they had to beat. We lost to the Redskins and the Raiders ... and almost lost to the Chargers and 49ers.

Don't be so haughty. Give them their respect.

[Champsheart]

Don't belittle the enemy. They will be a test for us.

The Giants beat who they had to beat. We lost to the Redskins and the Raiders ... and almost lost to the Chargers and 49ers.

Don't be so haughty. Give them their respect.

Belittle?

What are you talking about. I did not belittle anybody, I just stated a bunch of facts.

As a matter of fact I said they where a decent team, and also said it should be a good game.

But they do have a lot to prove IMO to be considered a top notch team. We will see!

[Shocker80]

...so I guess it'll be a pretty big shock to you when the Giants win by 2 tds...

[Champsheart]

...so I guess it'll be a pretty big shock to you when the Giants win by 2 tds...

2 TD's, gimme a freakin break.

You can wake up from your nap now.

If you want to dispute the facts I stated in the original post, go right ahead, but it does not look like you have the ability to come with much substance.

[tig22]

We simply have to many offensive weapons for you guys to shut us down.

And also if you will remember in the charger game we came back and it was 21-20 at the half, defense shows up and we win that one.

Also I believe our defense will be hungry for this one. They will come out with something to prove, with a chip on their shoulder.

Should be a great game though

[cowboys101]

thanks for the post.

I wasnt aware of a lot of the info. Now Im not as nervous as I was.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Don't belittle the enemy. They will be a test for us.

The Giants beat who they had to beat. We lost to the Redskins and the Raiders ... and almost lost to the Chargers and 49ers.

Don't be so haughty. Give them their respect.

Why are you always negative?

He gave legitimate facts, stats, and reasons.

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Ive watched all their games, they are talented, and efficient on offense. Eli loves his first read, if Zimmer does his job we can jump some routes, and either pick off a pass or tow, or forca sa coverage sack.

On D, they have a very poor secondary. They give huge cushions, the hook and curl can be big (Key, Witt) And if that works well, it'll open up a lot underneath

[Champsheart]

We simply have to many offensive weapons for you guys to shut us down.

And also if you will remember in the charger game we came back and it was 21-20 at the half, defense shows up and we win that one.

Also I believe our defense will be hungry for this one. They will come out with something to prove, with a chip on their shoulder.

Should be a great game though

You have some weapons I will give you that.

But don't think they will have the same success they have had against the bottom feeder defenses you have faced so far in your house.

Philly has just as many weapons as you do, actually I would say they have better weapons. We held them to 3 points.

I do expect you all to have a little more success than Philly and you probably will make a few plays, but it will not be enough.

[DBoys]

I think Roy will take out Toomer with one shot.

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[DBoys]

First let me say the Giants are not a bad Football team, but really how good are they?

So far they have beat a

1-4 Arizona Team
2-3 New Orleans Team
2-3 St. Louis Team

All games also played in New York.

These 3 teams are a Recipe for any team in the NFL to whip in their own Stadium, and here is why.

Points Allowed Rankings-
Arizona - #27
New Orleans - #30
St.Louis - #31

Turn Over Diff Rankings -
Arizona -#24
New Orleans - #32
St. Louis #26

IMO they have played 3 bad football teams in their own Stadium who can not play defense and turn the ball over.
That is a recipe for any Football team to win at home.

The one decent Football Team they played was San Diego, in Charger land and they got thumped by 20 Points.

Now they come down to Big "D". We are no NO, ARZ, or STL. We do not turn the ball over, and we are playing some good D right now, and we are at home, and have a lot of confidence going in.

If we play our game I really like our chances in this one.

I think Henry will take Plax out of this game. He knows how to play him, and has had success before against him. We did a great job against Moss, and TO in limiting them, and Plax should be no different. He has been Eli's best weapon.

Newman will take out Toomer one on one.

I think our secondary matches up very well with their receivers without needing much help. That leaves a lot of guys left to watch Shockey and Barber.

The NY Giants are no bottom feeder in the NFL like the teams they have beat, but are they what everyone thinks they are? Way to early to tell, but their schedule so far has been a huge advantage for them.

They always play us tough, and I expect a good game, but I really see us winning this Football game.

Good post

[AmericasTeam31]

We simply have to many offensive weapons for you guys to shut us down.

And also if you will remember in the charger game we came back and it was 21-20 at the half, defense shows up and we win that one.

Also I believe our defense will be hungry for this one. They will come out with something to prove, with a chip on their shoulder.

Should be a great game though

And how do you plan on stopping all our offensive weapons... We are very similar teams. Great RBs, Great TEs, QB who have a little more to prove than just 4 or 5 games, and inconsistent defenses. What's your plan?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

ll games also played in New York.
New Jersey, but no one ever cares....

[tig22]

[QUOTE=Champsheart]You have some weapons I will give you that.

But don't think they will have the same success they have had against the bottom feeder defenses you have faced so far in your house.

Philly has just as many weapons as you do, actually I would say they have better weapons. We held them to 3 points.

I do expect you all to have a little more success than Philly and you probably will make a few plays, but it will not be enough.[/QUOTE

I stopped reading at the Philly has better weapons that us part.

No way. Ya the defenses we played werent the best but we did what your supposed to do to defenses like that.

You wont stop our offense and if the defense half way shows up we will win. The "D" in the second half of the Chargers game shows up and were done.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

ll games also played in New York.


New Jersey, but no one ever cares... :o:

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Mcnabb > Eli

Owens > Buress

Toomer, Tim Carter = Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown

LJ smith = cockey

Eagles Line > NJ's line

[Eddie]

I give the Gmen all the respect they deserve. 3-1 teams aren't to be taken lightly.

I still remember all the 41-3 predictions we made vs the Redskins. I also remember the 45-0 predictions for the Pickle Bowl.

The Giants will be our benchmark. One game at a time, and we close the gap to the NFC East title. It's a long ways away, but we have to take it one step at a time.

We not only have to beat the Giants, we have to thrash them in all phases of the game. The 92-95 Cowboys didn't just win games, they demolished their opponents.

The 90's Cowboys are not today's Patriots ... who win games in the last second via Vinetieri's leg.

I don't want to resemble the Patriots. I wanna be the 90's Cowboys again. Utterly destroy the enemy.

If we're to prove a point, we do so against the Giants. I want another total dismantling of an NFCE opponent.

[tig22]

And how do you plan on stopping all our offensive weapons... We are very similar teams. Great RBs, Great TEs, QB who have a little more to prove than just 4 or 5 games, and inconsistent defenses. What's your plan?

More than likely the same way we have beat the other teams, Score often and make you play catch up and make you one dimensional. Defense bends but doesn't break.

We give up a lost of yards between the 20s but get tough inside the red zone and create turnovers.

[AmericasTeam31]

[QUOTE=Champsheart]You have some weapons I will give you that.

But don't think they will have the same success they have had against the bottom feeder defenses you have faced so far in your house.

Philly has just as many weapons as you do, actually I would say they have better weapons. We held them to 3 points.

I do expect you all to have a little more success than Philly and you probably will make a few plays, but it will not be enough.[/QUOTE

I stopped reading at the Philly has better weapons that us part.

No way. Ya the defenses we played werent the best but we did what your supposed to do to defenses like that.

You wont stop our offense and if the defense half way shows up we will win. The "D" in the second half of the Chargers game shows up and were done.

Not to be a jerk here, but what is it that makes you think your defense is sooo good? What have they done?

[DBoys]

[QUOTE=Champsheart]You have some weapons I will give you that.

But don't think they will have the same success they have had against the bottom feeder defenses you have faced so far in your house.

Philly has just as many weapons as you do, actually I would say they have better weapons. We held them to 3 points.

I do expect you all to have a little more success than Philly and you probably will make a few plays, but it will not be enough.[/QUOTE

I stopped reading at the Philly has better weapons that us part.

No way. Ya the defenses we played werent the best but we did what your supposed to do to defenses like that.

You wont stop our offense and if the defense half way shows up we will win. The "D" in the second half of the Chargers game shows up and were done.

Lets talk about Giants offensive and Cowboys defensive matchups

Burress? We have played him before last year and he was shutdown. Ben is better than Eli in my opinion. Fast receivers have burned our secondary and Burress is not fast. How about because he is tall? So is A. Henry and T. Newman the only short guy is A. Glenn but he did a good job against Owens last week.

Toomer? Played him over and over and he is Roy Williams pet monkey.

Eli? He has not seen a good pass rush yet. Lets see how he does with people in his face.

OL? Inconsistent so far and will be playing against a very deep Cowboys DL.

Shockey? Palying man to man on the recievers will allow us to double cover him if necessary. Ware, Burnet, and Roy could handle him the way I see it.

[Champsheart]

[QUOTE=Champsheart]You have some weapons I will give you that.

But don't think they will have the same success they have had against the bottom feeder defenses you have faced so far in your house.

Philly has just as many weapons as you do, actually I would say they have better weapons. We held them to 3 points.

I do expect you all to have a little more success than Philly and you probably will make a few plays, but it will not be enough.[/QUOTE

I stopped reading at the Philly has better weapons that us part.

No way. Ya the defenses we played werent the best but we did what your supposed to do to defenses like that.

You wont stop our offense and if the defense half way shows up we will win. The "D" in the second half of the Chargers game shows up and were done.

You should not stop reading, it may halt your knowledge level.

I will give it to you honestly, with no blinders.

McNabb vs Eli. This may change someday, but Mcnabb gets the edge right now.

Barber vs. Westbrook. Edge goes to Westbrook. I will say though I think NY utilizes Barber a little better. Philly should give Westbrook more carries. But Westbrook scares me a whole lot more than Barber.

TO vs. Plax. Not even a conversation worth having. TO

Greg Lewis vs. Toomer. Right now even.

Shockey vs. LJ. Edge goes to Shockey, but not by much this year.

Philly O-Line vs. G Girl O-Line. Definetly Philly.

This is no disrespect to your weapons, like I said they are good. But if you give me the choice of which group I would take on my team for 1 year, I definetly take Phiily's.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Tiki is better than Westbrook.

...Tiki can run the ball.

[Next_years_Champs]

More than likely the same way we have beat the other teams, Score often and make you play catch up and make you one dimensional. Defense bends but doesn't break.

We give up a lost of yards between the 20s but get tough inside the red zone and create turnovers.

There will be some turnovers but it will be the Giants coughing them up, your team has put up lots of points against defenses who couldn't pressure the QB or play tight match-up coverage by the cornerbacks.

McNabb has been the best QB in the NFC east at handling pressure and making plays, but he couldn't handle this Cowboys line because the pressure is coming from the middle of the pocket as well as the outside. You do run the ball a little better than the Eagles but not good enough. This Cowboys defense will control the line of scrimmage, it will be the Giants forced into a "one dimensional" game.

Your juggernaut offense is built on the teams that haven't stopped anyone, you won't find that waiting Sunday in Texas Stadium.

[DBoys]

Tiki is better than Westbrook.

...Tiki can run the ball.

No way just because Philly choses not to use him in the running game don't label him as a bad runner.

Westbrook is bigger, faster, more shifty, and is a bigtime threat catching the ball.

[AmericasTeam31]

Yeah Tiki's vision out of the BACKFIELD is better, but as a reciever (which Westbrook basically is) Westbrook is much better. I'd say they're even as weapons, one can run one can catch.

[DBoys]

There will be some turnovers but it will be the Giants coughing them up, tour team has put up lots of points against defenses who couldn't pressure the QB or play tight match-up coverage by the cornerbacks.

McNabb has been the best QB in the NFC east at handling pressure and making plays, but he couldn't handle this Cowboys line because the pressure is coming from the middle of the pocket as well as the outside. You do run the ball a little better than the Eagles but not good enough. This Cowboys defense will control the line of scrimmage, it will be the Giants forced into a "one dimensional" game.

Your juggernaut offense is built on the teams that haven't stopped anyone, you won't find that waiting Sunday in Texas Stadium.

Here comes the BOOM!

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Westbrook is like 5'8" 200. Tikis something like 5'9" 215.

I hate the giants more than anyone, but Tiki had been gettign it done, he can run inside and outside, and is a pain in the *** with his vision and cut backs.

They dont screen a ton, but hes also a pain in the *** on screens.

Westbrook is a big playmaker, and usually a headache, but hes not Tiki Barber

[AtlCB]

First let me say the Giants are not a bad Football team, but really how good are they?

So far they have beat a

1-4 Arizona Team
2-3 New Orleans Team
2-3 St. Louis Team

All games also played in New York.

What???? Tagliabue told me that the Giants were the road team against New Orleans!! :eek:

[tig22]

Mcnabb > Eli

Owens > Buress

Toomer, Tim Carter = Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown

LJ smith = cockey

Eagles Line > NJ's line

Better check that... QB Rating Eli 97.8, McNabb 95.9

Sacks allowed..NY 6 Philly 10 Our line is much improved

Shockey > Smith..check the stats on Nfl.com

[JDSmith]

Hmmmm....I sense the second coming of Todd Pinkston this Sunday....

I think it's more likely the second coming of 'the bull.'

[DBoys]

Better check that... QB Rating Eli 97.8, McNabb 95.9

Sacks allowed..NY 6 Philly 10 Our line is much improved

Shockey > Smith..check the stats on Nfl.com

Philly has 10 sacks because we got 4 Sunday so you guys would be tied at 6 considering they have one more game than you.

[tig22]

[QUOTE=tig22]

Not to be a jerk here, but what is it that makes you think your defense is sooo good? What have they done?

They haven't done much and I dont recall saying they have, but if they can keep creating turnovers and stay tough in the redzone like they have...bend but dont break...we will be ok.

But if the defense plays like in the chargers game it will be a long day

[JDSmith]

Better check that... QB Rating Eli 97.8, McNabb 95.9

Sacks allowed..NY 6 Philly 10 Our line is much improved

Shockey > Smith..check the stats on Nfl.com

This is too easy...

You neglected to mention the fact that McNabb's numbers took a hit from our game. Prior to that game his numbers looked like this:

100.6 QB rating, 6 sacks... Expect Eli's numbers to dip a bit following this game as well.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Better check that... QB Rating Eli 97.8, McNabb 95.9

Sacks allowed..NY 6 Philly 10 Our line is much improved

Shockey > Smith..check the stats on Nfl.com

LJ Smith 28 rec. for 287 yards and 2 TD's

Cockey 17 for 251 2 TD's

[JDSmith]

[QUOTE=AmericasTeam31]

They haven't done much and I dont recall saying they have, but if they can keep creating turnovers and stay tough in the redzone like they have...bend but dont break...we will be ok.

But if the defense plays like in the chargers game it will be a long day

The only problem you have is that your turnover were created against some of the most turnover prone teams in the league. Even without your games against them they average 2.6 turnovers per game. The Cowboys average 1 turnover per game. So the question is, did you generate those turnovers or did you simply take the turnovers you were given by teams prone to do so?

[tig22]

LJ Smith 28 rec. for 287 yards and 2 TD's

Cockey 17 for 251 2 TD's


You neglected to mention the fact that he has had an extra game than Shockey.


Wasnt that what i was told about Mcnabbs Qb rating???

Guess the same applies here

[AtlCB]

Better check that... QB Rating Eli 97.8, McNabb 95.9

Sacks allowed..NY 6 Philly 10 Our line is much improved

Shockey > Smith..check the stats on Nfl.com
Eli and McNabb are almost identical in ratings, but McNabb has played some tough defenses (Dallas and Atlanta). The toughest defense that Eli has faced was San Diego. The other three teams that they faced are pathetic. Philly has played one more game than New York and has played a couple of defenses that seriously get after the quarterback. I seriously doubt that McNabb would have been sacked 6 times playing the Giants' schedule. I'll give you Shockey > Smith, and I don't think it's even close.

[JDSmith]

You neglected to mention the fact that he has had an extra game than Shockey.


Wasnt that what i was told about Mcnabbs Qb rating???

Guess the same applies here

You are correct, without the game against us LJ Smith has 26 catches for 265 yards. Still more than Shockey.

[DBoys]

You neglected to mention the fact that he has had an extra game than Shockey.


Wasnt that what i was told about Mcnabbs Qb rating???

Guess the same applies here

You said

"Shockey > Smith..check the stats on Nfl.com"

Marion did and posted them

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Cockey wont get 11 catches this week

[tig22]

Eli and McNabb are almost identical in ratings, but McNabb has played some tough defenses (Dallas and Atlanta). The toughest defense that Eli has faced was San Diego. The other three teams that they faced are pathetic. Philly has played one more game than New York and has played a couple of defenses that seriously get after the quarterback. I seriously doubt that McNabb would have been sacked 6 times playing the Giants' schedule. I'll give you Shockey > Smith, and I don't think it's even close.

I agree with you abou facing tough defenses, but against SD Eli had his best passing game yardage wise, course we were in a shoot out too and what he did under those cirucmstances with the crowd and all was pretty impressive. Remember he hasnt played a whole seasons worth of games yet.

I think its gonna be a great game. Looking foward to it

[AtlCB]

I agree with you abou facing tough defenses, but against SD Eli had his best passing game yardage wise, course we were in a shoot out too and what he did under those cirucmstances with the crowd and all was pretty impressive. Remember he hasnt played a whole seasons worth of games yet.

I think its gonna be a great game. Looking foward to it
San Diego's defense really hasn't played very well this season. Their offense is really good, but that fact doesn't really help your argument.

[DBoys]

Westbrook is like 5'8" 200. Tikis something like 5'9" 215.

I hate the giants more than anyone, but Tiki had been gettign it done, he can run inside and outside, and is a pain in the *** with his vision and cut backs.

They dont screen a ton, but hes also a pain in the *** on screens.

Westbrook is a big playmaker, and usually a headache, but hes not Tiki Barber

36 Westbrook, Brian RB 5-8 203
21 Barber, Tiki RB 5-10 200

My bad Westbrook looks so much Bigger than Tiki I guess because he is shorter.

[JDSmith]

I agree with you abou facing tough defenses, but against SD Eli had his best passing game yardage wise, course we were in a shoot out too and what he did under those cirucmstances with the crowd and all was pretty impressive. Remember he hasnt played a whole seasons worth of games yet.

I think its gonna be a great game. Looking foward to it

Last year Vinny Testaverde had 3 games with over 100 QB ratings. The interesting thing is that two of those games were blowout losses, much like your 'shootout' with SD. Sorry, I can't really call it a shootout when you lose by 20 pts, I call that a blowout. Vinny threw for 308 yards and a 103 QB rating in one 20+ pt loss, and 254 yards and a 103 rating in another. Sometimes, depending on the D you face and their disposition, it's easier to put up nice numbers when you are getting stomped. Eli did a nice job in the first half, bringing the Giants back, but almost everything in the second half was garbage time.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Westbrook has thicker legs.

Also, Tiki has gained 10 pounds in the off season ( like Julius did, another reason they remind me of each other)

Tikis at about 210-215

[tig22]

You said

"Shockey > Smith..check the stats on Nfl.com"

Marion did and posted them


Not entirely

Smith... 5 gms, 287 Rec yds, 57.4 yds/g, long 23, avg 10.3, 2 tds, 20+ 3

Shockey 4 gms, 251 yds, 62.8 yds/g, long 32, avg 14.8
2 tds, 20+ 5

So if you look at over all stats not just bits a pieces you see
Shockey> Smith

[AmericasTeam31]

I don't understand why it matters whether Shockey is better than Smith or vise versa.

[tig22]

Your missing the part about the enviorment. You know everyone in San Diego wanted to see Eli demolished because of the draft and all, which would make the chargers play harder.

On another note Eli played well last year against some great D's
namely Pitt and hes only gotten better since then. I think he will be fine. Then again he might come out and remind us hes somewhat a rookie, but I wouldnt count on it. He does his homework

[tig22]

It really doesnt, it was just posted earlier that Philly has better offensive weapons that us, and I dont agree with it.

Just all about proving a point I guess.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

LJ Smith doesnt get 15 yard taunting penalties after 5 yard catches.

Plus hes from Rutgers

[Next_years_Champs]

I agree with you abou facing tough defenses, but against SD Eli had his best passing game yardage wise, course we were in a shoot out too and what he did under those cirucmstances with the crowd and all was pretty impressive. Remember he hasnt played a whole seasons worth of games yet.

I think its gonna be a great game. Looking foward to it


Cowboy's stats from our game against San Diego

PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
D.Bledsoe 24 18 226 4/34 3 32 0 143.4

PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
D.Brees 35 18 209 2/21 2 33 2 65.1


Giant's stats from the game against San Diego

PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
E.Manning 41 24 352 2/14 2 44 0 102.9

PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT
D.Brees 22 19 191 0/0 2 27 0 133.1



This was also our offensive and defensive lines first game together they have shown substantial improvement. Like I stated earlier The Giants haven't faced anything like the defense that will be coming at you Sunday.

[AmericasTeam31]

Got it! I think over time they may be better. I think next year the Giants or the Boys will have as good, or better, of an offense than Philly. But both are very unproven right now. We killed the Iggles and I know as well as most fans here that are willing to admit it that we aren't as good offensively as the Iggles CONSISTENTLY!!!! I think that deep down everyone on this board knows that NEITHER of these teams are better offensively than Philly. Competitive? Maybe, but not better. And I think deep down, you know that too.

[tig22]

This the same D that couldnt stop the Raiders or the Skins?

And you haven't faced an offense like you will Sunday yet either.


and to AT31, I think we have a better offense than the Eagles just not the D to go with it yet.

[Eddie]

This the same D that couldnt stop the Raiders or the Skins?



You mean this weak D who gave up a stunning 19 points to the Raiders and a WHOLE 14 points to the Redskins?

Do the math bro ...

[AmericasTeam31]

This the same D that couldnt stop the Raiders or the Skins?

And you haven't faced an offense like you will Sunday yet either.


and to AT31, I think we have a better offense than the Eagles just not the D to go with it yet.

Homer:blind: :nana:

[superpunk]

Actually, we've faced two offenses that were BETTER, and beat them both. ;)

[Hoov]

This the same D that couldnt stop the Raiders or the Skins?

And you haven't faced an offense like you will Sunday yet either.


and to AT31, I think we have a better offense than the Eagles just not the D to go with it yet.

couldnt stop the raiders ? they scored 19 points in their own stadium, thats pretty good. lets see how much they score against your squad.

Skins score twice at the end of the game, other than that they were never in a position to even kick a FG for 55 minutes.

Chargers Defense let gimpy hamstring pull Hines Ward run all over them in their own stadium. But they seemed to keep your squad from scoring too many points. :D

[Next_years_Champs]

This the same D that couldnt stop the Raiders or the Skins?

And you haven't faced an offense like you will Sunday yet either.


and to AT31, I think we have a better offense than the Eagles just not the D to go with it yet.

The Skins put up 14 points and the Raiders put up 19 points at home against this defense. And this defense has as many as 9 new players including 5 rookies playing in rotation. The Cowboy's defense has made mistakes but played a complete game last week, what hasn't happened is them getting out played.

Even at that the defense played well enough to win every game we've played. As far as offensive teams go we have played at least 2 teams better than your group, The Chargers and the Eagles and we won both games.

LOL if you think you are going put up a bunch of points against this Cowboy defense, I expect a close game because its the Cowboys and the Giants. But your going to face a defense that is for real on Sunday and I doubt the offense your fielding will be up to the challenge.......

[Shocker80]

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Cool. Another clip of Roy leading with his helmet. No wonder he seems lost in the backfield, too may shots to the noggin.

[Chocolate Lab]

Wow, I can't believe Giants fans think their offense is better than the Eagles' offense, which was number one in the league before they played us.

Even if the Giants beat us, which is possible, they're going to find the sledding a LOT tougher when they don't get to play the Rams, Saints, and Cards at home.

[AmericasTeam31]

He hit him with his helmet alright, but it's a legal hit. Alot of forearm too. Be careful you're starting to sound like a Pigs fan...

[Next_years_Champs]

Cool. Another clip of Roy leading with his helmet. No wonder he seems lost in the backfield, too may shots to the noggin.

I'll tell you what is cool, cool is watching Toomer and all the other receivers short arm passes after getting "Jacked Up" by Roy Williams. Its hilarious to watch guys miss passes because they don't know where RW is LOL..........

[Shocker80]

I'll tell you what is cool, cool is watching Toomer and all the other receivers short arm passes after getting "Jacked Up" by Roy Williams. Its hilarious to watch guys miss passes because they don't know where RW is LOL..........

Know what's even better. Watching Roy running his a$$ off 10 strides behind a receiver who beat him on a post route. But I digress. And to the guy who said I was sounding like a Pigs fan, that's a low blow man.

[tig22]

Funny we lead the NFL with 34 points a game next is SD with 29, Eagles are 24 and Cowboys are 24. So thats why I say we have a better offense.

[Hoov]

Funny we lead the NFL with 34 points a game next is SD with 29, Eagles are 24 and Cowboys are 24. So thats why I say we have a better offense.

Fine, but your average points per game will take a dive after this sunday.

[tig22]

Fine, but your average points per game will take a dive after this sunday.

You don't know that, that's why we play the game.

I respect Dallas, and think it will be a great game if our defense plays halfway decent we can win but if we dont get any pressure on Bledsoe its gonna be a shoot out.

[JDSmith]

This the same D that couldnt stop the Raiders or the Skins?

And you haven't faced an offense like you will Sunday yet either.


and to AT31, I think we have a better offense than the Eagles just not the D to go with it yet.

The Raiders scored a whopping 19 pts, the Skins scored 14...

[JDSmith]

Funny we lead the NFL with 34 points a game next is SD with 29, Eagles are 24 and Cowboys are 24. So thats why I say we have a better offense.

You've also had the best starting field position in the NFL, in large part due to the fact that you are +10 in turnovers - primarily because you played a bunch of really bad teams who turn the ball over a ton. The one good team you played, who only turned it over once, shut you out in the second half because you didn't get to work with the short field. Even when you scored in the first half one of your drives was only 34 yards, and came from a turnover. But SD was too good to simply keep feeding you the ball the way the scrub teams do, and as a result you suddenly couldn't buy a point.

[Hoov]

You don't know that, that's why we play the game.

I respect Dallas, and think it will be a great game if our defense plays halfway decent we can win but if we dont get any pressure on Bledsoe its gonna be a shoot out.

well, i know you meant to type "blow out" not shoot out, so i'll just take the liberty of correcting that for ya. :p: Its ok, we all make typo's from time to time.

[tig22]

well, i know you meant to type "blow out" not shoot out, so i'll just take the liberty of correcting that for ya. :p: Its ok, we all make typo's from time to time.

:eek: Shoot out is what i meant and I dont think you have the "ammo" to out gun us ;)

[JDSmith]

I'm honestly not sold on the Giants offense. I really believe they are a product of the teams they've played against, the field position they've started with and the turnovers they've gotten (which comes from point one and creates point two). I think that facing our D this week will be a much different situation for Eli and he's very likely to look like the young QB he is. Because this D is going to go after him, and this O isn't going to give up the ball like the Cards/Rams/Saints. So he's going to have to move the team the length of the field repeatedly to score, and unless we have some very serious defensive lapses he's going to have a very tough go of it. Now there is always a chance for a blown coverage, as we've seen in the first few games, but as our D gets more comfortable those lapses are becoming less frequent. We had 1 against the Raiders and Moss and none against the Eagles and TO - I don't think we'll have more than 1 against Burress. And without those big plays I don't think the Giants are going to look half as scary as they did against the scrubs.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Giants don't reach 21 pts in this game. I think 14 - 17 is about as much as they'll manage.

[Jarv]

You don't know that, that's why we play the game.

I respect Dallas, and think it will be a great game if our defense plays halfway decent we can win but if we dont get any pressure on Bledsoe its gonna be a shoot out.

Welcome to our house. I think you'll find it different than playing your away game against NO.

I think you'll find our defense a little tougher than NO, Arizona, SD and the Rams. As you said though, that is why we play the games.

You have a good coach, he'll use max protect to try to keep Eli alive.

Just out of curiosity, how many points are you predicting you'll score against us ?

[JDSmith]

:eek: Shoot out is what i meant and I dont think you have the "ammo" to out gun us ;)

You don't have anywhere near the DBs to cover our top 4 receiving threats. And Bledsoe isn't like Eli. At this point in his career Eli is basically throwing to one guy, Burress. Bledsoe will throw the ball to whomever is open, as evinced by the fact that we have 4 guys with over 220 receiving yards after only 5 games. If that continues to play out we'll end up with 4 guys with over 700 yards each by the end of the year. That's doing a pretty good job of spreading the ball around.

[tig22]

I think its a higher scoring game....28-24, 34-28 type game

[tig22]

You don't have anywhere near the DBs to cover our top 4 receiving threats. And Bledsoe isn't like Eli. At this point in his career Eli is basically throwing to one guy, Burress. Bledsoe will throw the ball to whomever is open, as evinced by the fact that we have 4 guys with over 220 receiving yards after only 5 games. If that continues to play out we'll end up with 4 guys with over 700 yards each by the end of the year. That's doing a pretty good job of spreading the ball around.

I agree, Eli is focusing on one receiver too much, but that will get better. He also is forcing the ball a little much.

You guys can rack up all the yards you want, as long as we keep you out of the endzone and hold you to field goals, which is how our defense has been playing so far this year, so thats what I look for on Sunday.

[JDSmith]

I agree, Eli is focusing on one receiver too much, but that will get better. He also is forcing the ball a little much.

You guys can rack up all the yards you want, as long as we keep you out of the endzone and hold you to field goals, which is how our defense has been playing so far this year, so thats what I look for on Sunday.

It didn't play that way against SD, and I don't expect it to play that way against us. Let's look at the teams your D 'prevented' from scoring in the redzone, and their scoring efficiency (not including your game):

Rams 50% (14 trips, 7 TDs)
Saints 36% (14 tirps, 5 TDs)
Cards 8% (13 trips, 1 TD)

BTW, the Rams efficiency against you was 60%. So did you hold those teams, or did you simply play teams that shoot themselves in the foot in the redzone time and time again? The stats appear to favor the latter.

BTW, our redzone efficiency on the season is 55% (20 trips, 11 TDs).

[sonnyboy]

That 203 for Westbrook is a joke. At the combine he was just under 5-8 and weighed less than 180lbs if I recall. Seriously doubt he put on 25lbs in three years. This has been a pet peeve of mine for years. Teams for some reason insist on lying about the height and weight of players. It's silly. Philly listed Westbrook at 5-10 205 last year. Same size as J.Jones. I had an argument with some moron eagle fan that westbrook was as big as Jones. I'd bet dollars to donuts that if I got Westbrook on the scale, he would tip it at 175lb.

[Next_years_Champs]

Know what's even better. Watching Roy running his a$$ off 10 strides behind a receiver who beat him on a post route. But I digress. And to the guy who said I was sounding like a Pigs fan, that's a low blow man.

Being as our defense won't have to play cover 2 since your team has such SLOW and meager receivers. You won't see Roy having to play deep our cornerbacks will be more than up to the task of covering your slug receivers.

That way we will be able to see Shockey and Toomer run for the sideline because they know what awaits in the Roy Williams zone. I'll bet Roy Williams is fast enough to cover your fleet of slow mediocre receivers.

[NYFootballGIANTS]

If we get the running game going I think this one will be $ in the bank. We run succesfully we will completly control this game.

The NY Giants rank 31st in total Defense.

They rank #31 against the pass, and are in the middle of the pack against the run.

That run defense is a false stat though.

They have had only had to defend the run 91 times, the fewest in the NFL.

They are giving up an average of 4.5 yards per carry, which ranks #26 in the NFL.

Those stats are completely skewed and aren't really of much use to you. The reason teams haven't run on us is because we have shut down their running games and that is coupled with the fact that they fall behind and need to pass against us. Most of the run yards against us were from LaDainian Tomlinson and he is definitely better than any of your running backs. Excluding the chargers, teams have only run for 145 yards in 59 attempts. Basically less than 3 yards a carry.

Because teams have fallen behind against us, they have had to pass a lot. The Cardinals made 46 passing attempts, The Saints had 45, and The Rams had 62. Because we were playing soft zone with the lead it allowed them to rack up yards.

With Jones not playing I do not fear Dallas's run game. The Cowboys will have to win this one in the air. They may be able to do that, but I think Eli will definitely be able to keep up offensively. Will probably be a high scoring game.

[Next_years_Champs]

With Jones not playing I do not fear Dallas's run game. The Cowboys will have to win this one in the air. They may be able to do that, but I think Eli will definitely be able to keep up offensively. Will probably be a high scoring game.

Amusing those high scoring predictions were the same for our game against the Eagles, everyone seemed to think if we were to beat the Eagles it would be a high scoring affair.

Well we kept up our end of the prediction scoring 33 points and we even furnished the Eagles with 7 points on a turnover, but the Eagles #1 rated offense could only come up with 3 points against our defense.

Its good to hear you don't fear the Dallas running game because Julius is injured, unfortunately I'm sure your coaching staff is much better informed that the Giants rather unknowledgable fans. There is a rookie on our roster you'll know the name of this time next week, after you learn your false image of the Giants was a product of playing three of the worst teams in the NFL in your first 4 games

[Bizwah]

I fear the Giant's offense a heckuva lot more than Philly's. Barber has been a thorn in our side ever since his rookie year......Toomer is a solid WR, and Burress (when his head's in the game) is one of the best WRs in the game. Shockey is a big-time threat that we have no answer for.

Philly had three big time players to worry about.....McNabb, Westbrook, and TO. But by shutting McNabb down, we had nothing to worry about from the other two....mainly because they can't run the ball.

This is not true with the GMen. Barber always seems to come up big against us.

Now, the Giants defense can be beaten. I think we can beat them all day long. But I would expect us to try to keep their powerful offense off the field. So, we'll run.......big problem though.....JJ will probably not play. I don't think TT will be quite ready.

This will be a tough game.....anyone that doubts this may be setting themselves up for a surprise.

I think we can win.....I think we can win going away....But the same can be said for them.

[Tio]

Better check that... QB Rating Eli 97.8, McNabb 95.9

Sacks allowed..NY 6 Philly 10 Our line is much improved

Shockey > Smith..check the stats on Nfl.comAnd what good defense have the giants faced? Your in for a big surprise this sunday.

[dmq]

Why are we comparing the Giants roster to Phillies. Here is an idea, lets compare our rosters to theirs.

Bledsoe > Eli. This all has to do w/ keeping Bledsoe on his feet, but when he has time, he has the arm and experience to cripple a defense.

Julius Jones> Tiki Julius is just plain more explosive.

Dallas OLine> Giants OLine Our unit is finally getting on the same page and its showing.

Wittten> Cocky Face it, Cocky drops too many balls. He looks great for one play then disappears. Witten isn't as flashy, but he is very consistent and has great hands.

Glenn> Burress Different style of player, but Glenn is averaging 22.5 yrds per catch.

Keyshawn> Tooma No contest even.

Crayton> your third stringer. Your third string is so bad, I don't even know his name.

Top that all off w/ the fact that our defense is way better than yours not to mention much deeper.

The G-men beat us twice last year. It crushed BP so badly to lose to such a rotten team that we overhauled our entire team.

The G-men have some real issues in the secondary. Those weakness alone should be enough for you guys to get kicked around just like our defense did last year when we were having issues at corner. Our offense can be very explosive and its only now starting to gel, just as our defense does. If we lose, it will be a real step back for our team. I am forced to watch the Giants every week being here in NY. Without the turnovers the Rams would have definitely beat you. In fact they gave you the game. Arizona, you guys didn't look much better than them either. Another team that handed the game to you.

[Tio]

Crayton> your third stringer. Your third string is so bad, I don't even know his name.

You were being a homer to that point, but this line takes the cake...

[dmq]

Actually it is true, your third stringer stands out so littlle in games and I have watched a few that I don't even remember who he is.

OK looked it up, its Tyree right?

I am sure Bledsoe is sleepless at night thinking how he has to sneak passes into the blanket coverage of Curtis Deloatch. :lmao:

[JDSmith]

Actually it is true, your third stringer stands out so littlle in games and I have watched a few that I don't even remember who he is.

OK looked it up, its Tyree right?

I am sure Bledsoe is sleepless at night thinking how he has to sneak passes into the blanket coverage of Curtis Deloatch. :lmao:

Forget their third WR. Crayton has more yards per game and more catches per game than Toomer does, he also has a better per catch average and more TDs. Now the TDs could be due to the extra game, but the others are per game or per catch measurements and extra games don't help. So their number 2 WR has done less than our number 3 WR. Essentially Eli throws it to either Burress or Shockey at this point in his career. He's not comfortable enough to really spread the ball around yet IMO.

[jazzcat22]

The NY Giants are no bottom feeder in the NFL like the teams they have beat, but are they what everyone thinks they are? Way to early to tell, but their schedule so far has been a huge advantage for them.

They always play us tough, and I expect a good game, but I really see us winning this Football game.

I agree with everthing yousaid, but the above can also be said about us, until we show we can be consistant. So I think we, the Giants, and even the Redskins are all in the same boat, with the Eagle towing the line until they get knocked off a few more times. At this point of the season anyway, which is still early.

And yes, the Giants has definately played the weakest teams so far.