Eddie George on ESPN RADIO- says that Dallas is one

[ljs44]

of 3 teams he is lloking into if/when he gets cut. What does everyone think?

[Bill the Butcher]

As much as I like Eddie I would probably pass. He's a little worn out and I would like to see JJ get the lions share of the carries. You can plug in Richie, Rashard, or maybe even Cason to spell JJ depending on down and distance. Think it will just serve to muddy up the waters.........

[Rack Bauer]

What does everyone think?


Troy Hambrick Part II... that's what I think.


George is washed up. If I wanted an old, washed up RB on my team I'd want it to be Emmitt (who is better then George right now anyway).

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that as long as expectations are clear and the price is reasonable, it's a good move.

I believe that Eddie George if healthy and used in moderation can be an excellent addition. I think he could be great in short yardage. I believe we need a big back to get a tough yard if necessary. I think he would be a great locker room guy and I believe a young feature back could do worse then learning how to be a pro from a guy like Eddie George.

[Wimbo]

I saw a rumor today that Eddie George would be cut by 4pm today... not sure what time zone.

Eddie is a little long in the tooth, but I think it is a bit harsh to compare him to Hambrick. At least EG plays with heart.
I also think Eddie would be an excellent addtion to the Cowboys backfield in a RB by committee approach. I am guessing he is also a better pass blocker than Julius Jones (at this point in his career, anyway). For the right price and a short contract, I say bring him in.

[Doomsday101]

If we are talking a 1 year deal at around vet minimum then yes I would bring him to camp and let him compete for the backup job.

[AJM1613]

What were the other two teams? :D

I don't want George to go to Dallas, but isn't Anderson the same type of back? I guess with George he would be able to run with a fullback.

[joseephuss]

No, thanks. George was best used as a feature back. In his best days, he had to get a lot of carries to get into a rthym and wear the other team out. He would get stronger and better the more carries he got. If brought to Dallas he would not get those opportunities. So, why use a guy who is not as good as he used to be and won't be used to his strengths.

[Charles]

of 3 teams he is lloking into if/when he gets cut. What does everyone think?
I hope Eddie George comes to Dallas. If Parcells can get Eddie 10-15 carries a game he could be very effective. I think his days as a work horse are numbered.

I don't see it happening because I doubt Eddie will play on special teams thias late in his career and if he isn't the featured RB, he'll take up a roster spot that could be used for a young RB like Lee or 2nd FB whom will also play on Special teams ( KO defense or KO returns).

[Tio]

What were the other two teams? :D

I don't want George to go to Dallas, but isn't Anderson the same type of back? I guess with George he would be able to run with a fullback.Anderson is a very finesse type of back, I always thought it was stupid of him to play fb.

[Jack]

It is all about the $$$

[Doomsday101]

Anderson is a very finesse type of back, I always thought it was stupid of him to play fb.

Parcells does not look at the FB spot as a pure blocker as so many around here seem to do. When he 1st took over and brought Anderson in he talked of the old version of the FB like Jim Brown (granted Anderson is no Jim Brown) but more in the mold of Larry Centers or Keith Byers where FB role is not used as a primary lead blocker but as an extra weapon in the backfield. Anderson did that and did it well enough to be reconized at least by his teammates as the offensive MVP. I think if our fans keep looking at FB position with what we had in Moose they are going to be disappointed because that is not what Parcells is look for.

[ghettogandhi]

we are one injury in the backfield to being back where we were last year...
I say sign George- 1 year -1 million- he can come in on the goal line and spell jones during the game, jones=20 carries, george=10 carries a game+ one of the deepest lines in the league= top 5 running game in the league


last year with the worst back in the league I believe we finished 12th- just imagine what we can do this year with a healthy gurode, allen and johnson + jones and george.....

DO IT

[Ken]

I would feel very good if we signed George for the right money.

The man is a Warrior and would make me feel alot better about our RB situation. He is much better than Hambrick. Maybe the numbers do not bear that out, but just watch him play with toughness and abandon and then contrast that with Hambrick tripping over blades of grass. I would take Eddie George on my team any day of the week.

He would be an excellent addition.

[MichaelWinicki]

I hope Eddie George comes to Dallas. If Parcells can get Eddie 10-15 carries a game he could be very effective. I think his days as a work horse are numbered.

I don't see it happening because I doubt Eddie will play on special teams thias late in his career and if he isn't the featured RB, he'll take up a roster spot that could be used for a young RB like Lee or 2nd FB whom will also play on Special teams ( KO defense or KO returns).


Why in God's name would you give him 10-15 carries per game?

And where the heck would they come from?

I'm puzzled by this Q... You're usually better than that.

[Woods]

For the right price, I'd definitely sign George.

We have no experienced RB on our roster right now, except Anderson, who is more of a tweener. And as much as I hope J Jones is the answer, we won't know for some time. R Lee is in the same situation as J Jones. IMO, Cason is more of a 3rd down back as well.

I think George could still keep a defense honest in Parcells' system as long as George didn't have to be the featured back.

[Ken]

Why in God's name would you give him 10-15 carries per game?

And where the heck would they come from?

I'm puzzled by this Q... You're usually better than that.


I actually agree with him, it must be an apologist thing. :)


I think it is insane to think, or at least expect, Jones to come in a carry the load in his rookie season. I think a mix of Jones, Anderson, and George would be great. It probably would be more like 6-10 carries a game though.

Oh, and do you remember a guy named Otis Anderson under Parcells?

[chargrove]

Okay, I've changed my mind. Bring him in for the right price.

[AJM1613]

Did anyone hear the interview? Did anyone hear where he was most likely going to sign? The chance he goes to Dallas is very small.

I didn't hear the interview but the people over on the Skins board seemed pretty sure where he was going to sign. :)

[chargrove]

Did anyone hear the interview? Did anyone hear where he was most likely going to sign? The chance he goes to Dallas is very small.

I didn't hear the interview but the people over on the Skins board seemed pretty sure where he was going to sign. :)

I am so sick of the Redskins signing every warm body in a jockstrap.

[Tony D]

Did anyone hear the interview? Did anyone hear where he was most likely going to sign? The chance he goes to Dallas is very small.

I didn't hear the interview but the people over on the Skins board seemed pretty sure where he was going to sign. :)

I heard it. He said if he was cut he'd like to go to Philly, Tampa or Dallas. If our chances are slim of signing him, it's because Parcell's doesn't want him. You want him in Philly? Is he the final piece to the puzzle?

[Bluefin]

Losing projected short yardage runner Erik Bickerstaff to a season ending achilles snap may increase the Cowboys' interest in a veteran, short yardage option like Eddie George.

I won't be in favor of the move until I see what Julius Jones, Richie Anderson and ReShard Lee (?) have to offer as a committee.

George, with over 2700 attempts and 10000 yards, has taken a beating as the Titans workhorse during his eight seasons with the club.

I just don't see the point in adding him to the mix before seeing what the others have to offer.

George does appear interested in joining the team and that may make it easier to negotiate a contract, but would he endorse his role of a mentor/back-up?

Unknown.

There is no position in the league where it's easier to get solid production from young players, I want to see Dallas' kiddies in action before stunting their growth by signing a warhorse.

[Tio]

Losing projected short yardage runner Erik Bickerstaff to a season ending achilles snap may increase the Cowboys' interest in a veteran, short yardage option like Eddie George.

I won't be in favor of the move until I see what Julius Jones, Richie Anderson and ReShard Lee (?) have to offer as a committee.

George, with over 2700 attempts and 10000 yards, has taken a beating as the Titans workhorse during his eight seasons with the club.

I just don't see the point in adding him to the mix before seeing what the others have to offer.

George does appear interested in joining the team and that may make it easier to negotiate a contract, but would he endorse his role of a mentor/back-up?

Unknown.

There is no position in the league where it's easier to get solid production from young players, I want to see Dallas' kiddies in action before stunting their growth by signing a warhorse.Bickerstaff's injury does raise some interest in a power, goaline back, but George will damand more money then I wanna give him. You could get an ufa that would do just as good of a job with 5-7 carries...

[junk]

Bickerstaff's injury does raise some interest in a power, goaline back, but George will damand more money then I wanna give him. You could get an ufa that would do just as good of a job with 5-7 carries...

I agree here. Stacey Mack and James Stewart are, I believe, both still available. You could probably get either of them for the vet min and they probably have more left in the tank (Mack should anyway).

[Hollywood Henderson]

I have no interest in George & I doubt the Cowboys do ether...

RB is the easiest position to come in & play as a rookie...
With our Improved Oline, I expect J.Jones to have a very good rookie season!

Jones will be fine and he won't have to shoulder the whole load anyway.

Now if a good Vet ballhawking FS became available....Then I would be interested!
:)

[LaTunaNostra]

Anderson is a very finesse type of back, I always thought it was stupid of him to play fb.
RW, you are correct that RA was never a power fullback, a brusiing blocker. Always the "versatile" receiving type. But for many year he was a successful blocker for Curtis Martin, who maintained Richie has the vision and patience to set up blocks for him, and the shiftiness to lead him out well. Called him the ideal blocker for his own running style. And Martin is a guy who was blocked for by the likes of Sam Gash.

RA probably would never have had as long a career as he had if he had tried to make it as a tail. Certainly never had the makings of a starting feature back. In fact, it was only compared to Tham that I ever even imagined him a tailback. :D

[blur2122]

I heard the interview, and as was posted Eddie mentioned Philadelphia, Tampa Bay and Dallas as possible destinations - in that order. I agree with everyone who says he would be great in a limited role and as a locker room presence. The problem is, that's what the Titans want him to be and he wants no part of it.

He and his agent (also interviewed) said they feel he is still in the prime of his career, and that the only reason for the recent decline in his numbers is the way the Titans have used him. The agent also spoke about a "league-wide conspiracy" against running backs 30 and over, citing John Riggins and others as examples of RBs excelling after 30. I kept waiting for him to mention ol #22, but he didn't! He obviously knows nothing and should be fired immediately. :)

It all boils down to the fact that George will likely go where he can get the most carries. I doubt that will be Dallas, and I hope that it isn't. Let him go take carries away from Westbrook and Buckhalter.

[AJM1613]

I am so sick of the Redskins signing every warm body in a jockstrap.
Wrong team :)

[LaTunaNostra]

I heard it. He said if he was cut he'd like to go to Philly, Tampa or Dallas.

So of course those 'experts'at profootballtalk have him going where they have everyone going - Oakland.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[Jimz31]

Ummmmm.....No thanks.

[Nors]

of 3 teams he is lloking into if/when he gets cut. What does everyone think?

knows his role - hell yeagh

[Nors]

Why in God's name would you give him 10-15 carries per game?

And where the heck would they come from?

I'm puzzled by this Q... You're usually better than that.

http://nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-RUSHING/2003/regular?sort_col_1=3&_1:col_1=4

Mikey he's not as far off as you think.

We averaged 32.2 attempts a game last season.
We should amp that to 35 with better line

20 Jones
10 George (15 is too high but 10 not)
5 Anderson

[junk]

http://nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-RUSHING/2003/regular?sort_col_1=3&_1:col_1=4

Mikey he's not as far off as you think.

We averaged 32.2 attempts a game last season.
We should amp that to 35 with better line

20 Jones
10 George (15 is too high but 10 not)
5 Anderson

I am expecting BP to give Anderson some serious TB carries early. I am thinking in that 10-12 range.

[AJM1613]

George has asked to be released by the Titans. My Inside Sources told me so :p .





ESPN News bottom corner. :D

[AJM1613]

Titans | George Requests Release - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:08:10 -0700

ESPNews reports Tennessee Titans RB Eddie George has asked the team to release him.

Titans | George Doesn't Like Team's Offer - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:13:31 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, Associated Press reports Tennessee Titans RB Eddie George said Monday, July 19, he doesn't like the restructured contract the team is offering him because the deal is only for the 2004 season. While the Titans have repeatedly talked about keeping George until the end of his career, George said he doesn't see himself as retiring as a member of the Titans because he doesn't plan to retire next year.

[Sarge]

of 3 teams he is lloking into if/when he gets cut. What does everyone think?

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[TruBlueCowboy]

We have ten million in cap space and our worst position last year was at running back! God forbid we make a signing like this. :rolleyes:

[Nors]

We have ten million in cap space and our worst position last year was at running back! God forbid we make a signing like this. :rolleyes:

Cap friendly deal and this is a future Hall of Fame RB who if healthy at 240 pounds fits our mold.

[InmanRoshi]

PLEASE, do not sign Eddie George.

I can't take another year of having a RB who needs a gaping hole, a defender slipping, 2 missed tackles and a huge lunge forward to make a 10 yard run. God help me, I just can't.

Quit looking at the name at the back of the jersey, rub the stars out of your eyesk, and start looking at the stat sheet.

2000 3.7 ypc
2001 3.0 ypc
2002 3.4 ypc
2003 3.3 ypc

League average is 4.2. George is worse than Hambrick at this point in his career.

There is absolutely no way Julius could be worse than George is, unless he tragically loses a leg between now and training camp.

[VThokie7]

I'm all for signing Eddie George and not just for the minimum. We have plenty of cap room, so to spend a little bit of it for Eddie George is well worth it. After the years of Hambrick it would be nice to have a RB who acctually runs with heart. Eddie George may not be what he once was, but he still gives 110% on every play and runs with authority. Anybody who questions this look at the playoff game against the Ravens last year. Considering our only RB on this team is Julius Jones at the moment, i'm all for signing George and get a Vet in here to back him up and split a few carries. George and JJ could be a good 1-2 punch for us, plus he'd be a good mentor to Julius for this coming year. Parcells could do alot with a back like Eddie, look what he did with Otis Anderson.

[InmanRoshi]

Frankly, I don't give a flip how hard George runs, I care about how effective he runs. Every runningback that runs for Parcells is going to run with heart, because Parcells will settle for nothing less. 3.3 ypc is PATHETIC !!! Hambrick ran for 3.5.

[Nors]

"Anybody who questions this look at the playoff game against the Ravens last year"


I saw that game and George is a quality veteran backup to JJ.

JJ blows a knee gang of wise . Who is our starting RB?

[big dog cowboy]

of 3 teams he is lloking into if/when he gets cut. What does everyone think?
Said it before and I'll say it again....just say "NO".

[AJM1613]

League average is 4.2. George is worse than Hambrick at this point in his career.

There is absolutely no way Julius could be worse than George is, unless he tragically loses a leg between now and training camp.
You don't watch too much football do you?

[Danny White]

Cap friendly deal and this is a future Hall of Fame RB who if healthy at 240 pounds fits our mold.

I think we should definitely consider Eddie. He'd be a solid back up and team leader/veteran lockerroom presence.

But I have to disagree with you Nors... Hall of Fame? I don't think he's there.

[billknows]

"Anybody who questions this look at the playoff game against the Ravens last year"


I saw that game and George is a quality veteran backup to JJ.

JJ blows a knee gang of wise . Who is our starting RB?





Rashard Lee, there's your answer

[TruBlueCowboy]

Rashard Lee, there's your answer

I'd feel better with Eddie George. And let's remember that we don't know if Julius Jones is even the answer yet. It would be nice to have some insurance. We have cap room, it's time to spend it on a position of need.

[Danny White]

George Asks for Release
Associated Press
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Eddie George, Tennessee's all-time leading rusher, rejected the Titans' latest contract offer Monday and asked the team to release him quickly so he can seek a job with a new team.

George and Lamont Smith, his agent, considered the Titans' offer over the weekend, but the proposal had not changed significantly from what the team initially offered in March.

"I'm not accepting it," George told The Associated Press on Monday night. "My expectation when making the decision is to be released. At that point, I'm looking at other options."

Smith said he told the Titans earlier Monday that George had rejected the offer and wanted to be released. He was told that team officials wanted to "kick it around" and get back to them.

"Eddie was clear to me -- no more discussions," Smith said. "There's nothing else to discuss."

A Titans spokesman said the team would not comment Monday night.

Owner Bud Adams said in May that he was "pessimistic" that a new deal could be reached, although general manager Floyd Reese said last week that the team remained hopeful.

"I guess in a way they are trying to point me out to be the bad guy," George said.

"I'm not being greedy. I've always tried to help this organization win. That's all I've wanted is to help this organization win and be the best I could possibly be and earn a decent living, and get paid what the market value's supposed to be."

George is under contract through 2006 and was due to make $4.25 million this season. The Titans asked him in February to rework his contract and paid him a $1 million roster bonus in March.

But the salary cap-strapped Titans, whose woes are only expected to worsen in 2005, need to clear space to sign their 13 draft picks before training camp starts July 31.

Smith said they gave the Titans a counteroffer two to three months ago that would have shaved $3 million from their salary cap, only to see team officials stick close to a proposal of approximately $1.5 million this season with less money each year through 2006.

"In essence, the deal we had on the table doesn't assure me of anything but a one-year deal," George said. "I don't plan on retiring after next year."

George attended the team's offseason minicamps as he recovered from arthroscopic surgeries on his right knee and left ankle. But NFL teams start opening camps over the next two weeks.

He has a franchise-best 10,009 yards, and he has never missed a start since the franchise drafted the 1995 Heisman Trophy winner out of Ohio State. His 112 consecutive starts are behind only Walter Payton (170) and Ricky Watters (114).

George, who turns 31 in September, spoke of Tampa Bay, Philadelphia and Dallas as potential options and said he wants to join a team with a chance of winning a Super Bowl if he leaves Tennessee.

"Change may be good," George said of playing for a different team.

"I hate to sever the ties here. My first and only option was to finish a Tennessee Titan under fair circumstances. Unfortunately, that's not how I perceive it at this point. I look to move forward in a new situation."

George, who rushed for 1,031 yards last season, said his best season came in 2000 with fullback Lorenzo Neal as his blocker. The Titans have evolved into an offense that now looks to pass first behind Steve McNair, who was named co-MVP last season after leading the NFL with a quarterback rating of 100.4.

Both George and Smith said the Titans never made upgrading the offensive line a priority in the draft, preferring to let Hall of Fame lineman Mike Munchak coach low picks into shape.

"The priority for me to be successful wasn't a high priority on their list," George said.

Releasing George would leave the Titans with second-year rusher Chris Brown, veteran Robert Holcombe and rookies Troy Fleming, Vick King and Jarrett Payton at running back.

Brown rushed for 221 yards last year, averaging 3.9 yards per carry. George averaged 3.3 yards a carry and had five touchdowns.

Smith said he used Carolina running back Stephen Davis to help gauge George's market value. Davis, like George, entered the league in 1996, and signed a five-year deal worth $15.5 million including a $2.5 million signing bonus last year.

[Roughneck]

Exactly. If Julius Jones goes down, who do we have waiting behind him? A group of RBs that weren't even good enough to beat out Troy Hambrick last year, that's who. Bring in George for a reasonable contract, let him get 10 carries a game, and be a mentor to Julius.

[TruBlueCowboy]

What's even worse is the Eagles are probably going to be the team that grabs him if we don't. The thrifty Eagles decided that Kearse was worth the money, and they may think the same thing for George. The thrifty Patriots decided Dillon was worth a high draft pick. It's time we spend a little. Let's not go into the season with a fullback as our most legit backup tailback and a 2nd round rookie as the starter.

[Sarge]

PLEASE, do not sign Eddie George.

I can't take another year of having a RB who needs a gaping hole, a defender slipping, 2 missed tackles and a huge lunge forward to make a 10 yard run. God help me, I just can't.

Quit looking at the name at the back of the jersey, rub the stars out of your eyesk, and start looking at the stat sheet.

2000 3.7 ypc
2001 3.0 ypc
2002 3.4 ypc
2003 3.3 ypc

League average is 4.2. George is worse than Hambrick at this point in his career.

There is absolutely no way Julius could be worse than George is, unless he tragically loses a leg between now and training camp.

Hmmm....and I thought we got rid of Hambrick.


;)

[Tio]

Well, I guessIf were going to keep Vinny, we could spend money on george for the same reason. He could be a good mentor.

If were interested in him, why didn't we just go after hearst?

[Sarge]

Well, I guessIf were going to keep Vinny, we could spend money on george for the same reason. He could be a good mentor.

If were interested in him, why didn't we just go after hearst?

If that's the reasoning, we should have just kept Emmitt.

[starfrombirth]

Does anyone remember#22 when he was a rookie. He blasted over the goal line, short yardage situations, whatever it took. Don't cut the rookie short. I think he can do the job in any yardage! JMO :D

[joseephuss]

http://nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-RUSHING/2003/regular?sort_col_1=3&_1:col_1=4

Mikey he's not as far off as you think.

We averaged 32.2 attempts a game last season.
We should amp that to 35 with better line

20 Jones
10 George (15 is too high but 10 not)
5 Anderson

I think the stats include Quincy's runs. He had 68 attempts which averages out to 4.25. He will probably have the same amount this season.

[InmanRoshi]

What's even worse is the Eagles are probably going to be the team that grabs him if we don't. The thrifty Eagles decided that Kearse was worth the money, and they may think the same thing for George. The thrifty Patriots decided Dillon was worth a high draft pick. It's time we spend a little. Let's not go into the season with a fullback as our most legit backup tailback and a 2nd round rookie as the starter.

How is our rival signing the worst starting RB in football the past 3 years a bad thing for the Cowboys?

[InmanRoshi]

And let's remember that we don't know if Julius Jones is even the answer yet.

I KNOW Eddie George is not the answer. Look at his stats !!! They are God Awful. And its not misleading when they've been God Awfull for 4 years running.

I know he's a nice guy and he plays hard, but that is what makes him so dangerous. People get so caught up in what a good guy he is that they overlook the fact that he's the worst starting RB in the NFL for several years now.

I

[BrAinPaiNt]

For all of those moaning and groaning about Eddie Georges numbers.....just remember that is him as a starter....just as hambricks sucked as a starter.

However If we bring in eddie george, he will not be brought in to be a starter....he will be brought in for part time duty....and just think of how good Hambrick did in spot duty while emmitt was still here.

I think too many of you think that others want him to be brought in as the starter...when that is not the case at all.

I also find it almost on the scary side that some of you are ok with Reshard Lee and R.Anderson being the only backups to J.Jones...and we do not even know how J.Jones will do let alone if he gets hurt.

THINK.

[InmanRoshi]

George will be even worse as a part time runner because he''s a "wear the defense down" kind of runner that needs 25-30 carries to be effective. He's the type of RB who doesn't do anything in the first or second quarters, and you just hope by the 4th quarter that defenders are tired of hitting him. Parcells was talking in his press conference that RB is a position where you need carries to get a feel for the game. He talked in length about how he had talks with Curtis Martin about why he started so slow at the beginning of last year and how it had to do with how he tried to conserve himself in preseason and he didn't find his hone his vision or find his rhythem until mid-season.


Look, RB is not rocket science. You take the ball, you run to a certain assigned spot and you make as many yards as you can. So when you say "I don't know what Julius Jones is going to do", I know exactly what he's going to do. He's going to take the ball, he's going to run to a certain assigned spot, and he's going to make as many yards as he can. Either you have the ability to be good at it or you don't. That's why rookie 4th round draft picks become rookie of the year. That's why the Denver Broncos can plug in any 5th round spare and turn them into 1000 yard rushers. What do yo think Rashard Lee is going to do? Run to the wrong goal? Forget to take the handoff?

Despite what many may think, Its not hard to find a RB who can run for 3.3 ypc. We signed a washed up RB off the street last year who hadn't played football in 3 years who ran for 3.8. The Cowboys could go out and sign Stacey Mack right now, and he'd be better than George at this point in his career.

[BrAinPaiNt]

George will be even worse as a part time runner because he''s a "wear the defense down" kind of runner that needs 25-30 carries to be effective. He's the type of RB who doesn't do anything in the first or second quarters, and you just hope by the 4th quarter that defenders are tired of hitting him. Parcells was talking in his press conference that RB is a position where you need carries to get a feel for the game. He talked in length about how he had talks with Curtis Martin about why he started so slow at the beginning of last year and how it had to do with how he tried to conserve himself in preseason and he didn't find his hone his vision or find his rhythem until mid-season.


Look, RB is not rocket science. You take the ball, you run to a certain assigned spot and you make as many yards as you can. So when you say "I don't know what Julius Jones is going to do", I know exactly what he's going to do. He's going to take the ball, he's going to run to a certain assigned spot, and he's going to make as many yards as he can. Either you have the ability to be good at it or you don't. That's why rookie 4th round draft picks become rookie of the year. That's why the Denver Broncos can plug in any 5th round spare and turn them into 1000 yard rushers. What do yo think Rashard Lee is going to do? Run to the wrong goal? Forget to take the handoff?

Despite what many may think, Its not hard to find a RB who can run for 3.3 ypc. We signed a washed up RB off the street last year who hadn't played football in 3 years who ran for 3.8.


The second part of your post gave me a good laugh....you could take any bum off the street and hand him the ball....but to act like you know if one will be good or not is just laughable.

Gee....call Jerry we have Miss Cleo.

As far as Eddie...it still makes no difference....he would be better as a backup then what we have now.

We are talking about a running back that was not drafted and could not even beat out Troy Hambrick last year.

So let me get you on record....you would rather have an old FB turned RB in Anderson....and an unknown RB who was not even the main starter on his college team .....as your backup running back to an untested rookie RB that NOBODY (no matter how much they THINK they know) knows how they will do or if they wind up injured and missing the season after his first handoff.

[LaTunaNostra]

George will be even worse as a part time runner because he''s a "wear the defense down" kind of runner that needs 25-30 carries to be effective. He's the type of RB who doesn't do anything in the first or second quarters, and you just hope by the 4th quarter that defenders are tired of hitting him. Parcells was talking in his press conference that RB is a position where you need carries to get a feel for the game. He talked in length about how he had talks with Curtis Martin about why he started so slow at the beginning of last year and how it had to do with how he tried to conserve himself in preseason and he didn't find his hone his vision or find his rhythem until mid-season.


This is so true. However, I want George not so much to play change up, tho I think he can contribute in the redzone even if he doesn't get many carries, but as insurance behind JJ, so it's a nervous nellie response in this corner, I admit. If JJ got hurt, George would be getting them mega carries he needs to be effective.

I also don't know how much of Eddie's YPC was due to that injured ankle and how much was just general wearing down. Or the Titan line play? That's the key question in my mind. That is a lousy YPC but what was behind it? If George is beat up and that's the best he can do, I sure don't want him, but that doesn't seem clear.

Where is our power, goal line runner? Richie? We have none since Bickerstaff went down, and I want to see one in the mix in preseason. Whoever.

PS, on Martin. it was a coaching decision to preserve him in preseason, not Curtis, who wants the damn ball any time he can get it. And it is true that hurt his early season performance but he was coming off TWO serious high ankle sprains, so it made sense at the time (preseason).

[InmanRoshi]

if you took the name off the back of George's jersey and just judged him a player off the street, he couldn't beat out Hambrick last year. He wouldn't have made an NFL team last year. He was worse than Hambrick by an objective statistical measure imaginable. I don't know what part of 3.3 ypc people don't understand. That wasn't a fluke, he's been absolutely terrible since we left the last melleinum. His star power and name recognition are the only reason he's held a job in the NFL for the last 3 years.


He's just a bad football player who is too old to ever get any better. So yes, I would rather have every guy on our roster than Eddie George, I don't care what he did in 1998.

[BrAinPaiNt]

if you took the name off the back of George's jersey and just judged him a player off the street, he couldn't beat out Hambrick last year. He wouldn't have made an NFL team last year. He was worse than Hambrick by an objective statistical measure imaginable. I don't know what part of 3.3 ypc people don't understand. That wasn't a fluke, he's been absolutely terrible since we left the last melleinum. His star power and name recognition are the only reason he's held a job in the NFL for the last 3 years.


He's just a bad football player who is too old to ever get any better. So yes, I would rather have every guy on our roster than Eddie George, I don't care what he did in 1998.


Just like the same hamrick that had a great YPC average before being named starter...and then had a crappy YPC average?

Once again even if you do not want him...surely you can not be happy with the idea of Anderson and Lee being the only backups on this team to a rookie RB that we have no idea other then wishful thinking if he can be a decent runner...and that is if he stays healthy.

[InmanRoshi]

If we need a RB in a pinch, then there will be plenty of washed up and bad RB's to choose from on the street if that's what we have to resort to. No need to make such a desperation move until we know we're desperate.

I don't know how many times I can stress that Eddie George is just a bad, bad runningback at this point in his career. You can speak to me about "what ifs" and "worst case scenerios", but Eddie George is currently a bad and washed up football player and that's a constant. That's not going to change.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we need a RB in a pinch, then there will be plenty of washed up and bad RB's to choose from on the street if that's what we have to resort to. No need to make such a desperation move until we know we're desperate.

I don't know how many times I can stress that Eddie George is just a bad, bad runningback at this point in his career. You can speak to me about "what ifs" and "worst case scenerios", but Eddie George is currently a bad and washed up football player and that's a constant. That's not going to change.


Ok....I think you are crazy...but we can agree to disagree.

[LaTunaNostra]

Once again even if you do not want him...surely you can not be happy with the idea of Anderson and Lee being the only backups on this team to a rookie RB that we have no idea other then wishful thinking if he can be a decent runner...and that is if he stays healthy.
Come on BP, we have more than 'wishful thinking' that JJ can produce. We have the assessement of Bill Parcells.

Where the wishful thinking comes in is automatically thinking this kid will be able to stand up to 25 plus carries a game. If he can't, it is RB by committee time, and we need a bruiser in the mix. And I'd prefer an experienced one.

The other wishful thinking is that JJ can be a mega carry feature back, but that he doesn't sustain a few knicks and at least minor injuries...god willing, no major ones.

The O hinges on the viability of the run game in Tuna's scheme, I sure don't wanna see Vinnie behind center w/o a serious play action option, and we saw that Q can only 'carry' it so far ....

Insurance, wishy washy, chicken little, 'wasted' roster spot, and scaredy cat as it is - let's see it. The cap space is there. George, or someone else. Or it could be another call to Murrell in November.

[LaTunaNostra]

I don't know how many times I can stress that Eddie George is just a bad, bad runningback at this point in his career. You can speak to me about "what ifs" and "worst case scenerios", but Eddie George is currently a bad and washed up football player and that's a constant. That's not going to change.

You speak passionately enough about George's current level of play to convince me you've been watching him closely the past few years (I have not) and have seen the decline. YPC can be misleading. It's not some fantasy football disappointment rearing its head, is it?

If you have been watching the Titans consistently and have concluded George is washed up, I have no problem defefring to your take, based on your past posting.

But if not Eddie, somebody else needs to be brought into the mix.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Come on BP, we have more than 'wishful thinking' that JJ can produce. We have the assessement of Bill Parcells.

Where the wishful thinking comes in is automatically thinking this kid will be able to stand up to 25 plus carries a game. If he can't, it is RB by committee time, and we need a bruiser in the mix. And I'd prefer an experienced one.

The other wishful thinking is that JJ can be a mega carry feature back, but that he doesn't sustain a few knicks and at least minor injuries...god willing, no major ones.

The O hinges on the viability of the run game in Tuna's scheme, I sure don't wanna see Vinnie behind center w/o a serious play action option, and we saw that Q can only 'carry' it so far ....

Insurance, wishy washy, chicken little, 'wasted' roster spot, and scaredy cat as it is - let's see it. The cap space is there. George, or someone else. Or it could be another call to Murrell in November.


Bill Parcells CAN be wrong from time to time after all he was the guy that stuck with Hambrick last year going into the season as starter was he not?....plus we do not know if Jones will have injuries or not early one.....either way Anderson and Lee do not comfort me in the back RB spot.

Sorry I just call it as I see it....wishful thinking is the idea that Reshard Lee and Anderson can take the job if Jones either gets hurt or does not pan out.

We see bill bring in Vinny as insurance...an old aging QB who is on his last legs....but once again he is just brought in as insurance....so I just do not see what the big deal is of bringing a similar player in for insurance...at a reasonable price.

Of course there is always A.Smith, S. Mack...which IMO is no better.

[LaTunaNostra]

Bill Parcells CAN be wrong from time to time after all he was the guy that stuck with Hambrick last year going into the season as starter was he not?....plus we do not know if Jones will have injuries or not early one.....either way Anderson and Lee do not comfort me in the back RB spot.

Sorry I just call it as I see it....wishful thinking is the idea that Reshard Lee and Anderson can take the job if Jones either gets hurt or does not pan out.

We see bill bring in Vinny as insurance...an old aging QB who is on his last legs....but once again he is just brought in as insurance....so I just do not see what the big deal is of bringing a similar player in for insurance...at a reasonable price.

Of course there is always A.Smith, S. Mack...which IMO is no better.
Sure Bill can be wrong but I'm wiling to wager he and Mo Carthon are not wrong about JJ's ability/potential.

Doesn't matter tho, if JJ is one of those rookie tails who make it all the way to the Pro Bowl. I still want that insurance of which you speak.

Today's grenade lobbed courtesy of BrainPaint, btw.

May I head it off on this beautiul peaceful day by saying Vin wasn't just brought in for insurance? :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

You speak passionately enough about George's current level of play to convince me you've been watching him closely the past few years (I have not) and have seen the decline. YPC can be misleading. It's not some fantasy football disappointment rearing its head, is it?

If you have been watching the Titans consistently and have concluded George is washed up, I have no problem defefring to your take, based on your past posting.

But if not Eddie, somebody else needs to be brought into the mix.

At the end of the day, BP will make the right decision. If he feels that Eddie George can not bring what is needed to the table, he won't be signed. However, I do recall the same basic discussion's regarding OJ Anderson years ago. He was basically the same type of runner George was. Anderson came in and had good productivity with the Giants so nothing is impossible. BP will do the right thing.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sure Bill can be wrong but I'm wiling to wager he and Mo Carthon are not wrong about JJ's ability/potential.

Doesn't matter tho, if JJ is one of those rookie tails who make it all the way to the Pro Bowl. I still want that insurance of which you speak.

Today's grenade lobbed courtesy of BrainPaint, btw.

May I head it off on this beautiul peaceful day by saying Vin wasn't just brought in for insurance? :D


Yes the whole Insurance issue is what has me worried.

I seen us going into last year with that stable of RBs and hated the idea of it....now we are doing about the same thing but with a rookie.

I really do not care if it is George, Smith (although I would rather have george over Smith because at least george will give more effort IMO), Mack or any other scrub out there that could help.
Cause let's face it....there is not much left out there right now.

To be honest the guy I wanted was Famous Amos to take over for the Lee and Cason. Get rid of two players for one.

BTW....I did not lob a grenade....I just do not agree with some people's takes all the time....however it is far from flaming like some do with a certian topic. :cool:

[chargrove]

It may not have anything to do w/ what Parcells wants. It will most likely come down to (if George is released) who offers the most cash for his services.

[BrAinPaiNt]

It may not have anything to do w/ what Parcells wants. It will most likely come down to (if George is released) who offers the most cash for his services.


Yes I am curious if George is wanting 2.5 mill.....the titans are only going to offer 1.5

I just wonder what he will actually get on the open market.

I do NOT think he will get the 2.5 he is asking for because he is not worth that type of money IMO.

My gut feeling is we will not take him and we will go into the season with what we have....I am just HOPEFUL we get a cheap vet RB for insurance this season.

[LaTunaNostra]

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To be honest the guy I wanted was Famous Amos to take over for the Lee and Cason. Get rid of two players for one.


Who picked Thunder Thighs up, Oakland?

If so, keep yer eyes peeled. They've brought so many tails into the mix somebody has to be let go.

Had to laugh to see dufus Mike Florio at Daily Scatological Reference saying that was where George was going too.

[chargrove]

Yes I am curious if George is wanting 2.5 mill.....the titans are only going to offer 1.5

I just wonder what he will actually get on the open market.

I do NOT think he will get the 2.5 he is asking for because he is not worth that type of money IMO.

My gut feeling is we will not take him and we will go into the season with what we have....I am just HOPEFUL we get a cheap vet RB for insurance this season.


Since I have officially changed my opinion on picking him up if available, I would respectfully disagree and give him the 2.5 mil for one year if Dallas has the money. At least he is fairly solid "insurance" and could actually score a few touchdowns inside the 5 yard line.

[LaTunaNostra]

Since I have officially changed my opinion on picking him up if available, I would respectfully disagree and give him the 2.5 mil for one year if Dallas has the money. At least he is fairly solid "insurance" and could actually score a few touchdowns inside the 5 yard line.
Not 2.5, no way.

I'd want my insurance gift wrapped from Lloyd's of London for that money.

He would be insurance for the team , but aging receivers with recent injuries in themselves are poor insurance. These aren't Betty Grables legs we're insuring. Or Eddies' 1995 legs.

Over at DC.com there is a Ranch Report dated yesterday in which Mickey mentions George just got a million buck roster bonus recently from Tenn. So if he took the 1.5 from the Titans, he wouldn't be that far from the 4.2 he wants (think that was the number, and love Mickey's math) . But Spags did make the sane remark that when these contract talks break down, a player is sometimes willing to settle for the same number from a new team he just rejected from his former.

If he's not "washed up" he still shouldn't get a penny over 1.55. Give him the slight extra to make him feel good. Even that is high.

Mick seems to think Eddie needs to jump high and fast on an offer or he'll end up playing for his vet min. Also mentioned he might not even make it thru a camp and could be released again..all of it plausible.

We shall see.

[junk]

A couple things to consider:
1. I believe, a vet signed after week 1 of the season does not have his salary guaranteed. This may be when a move is made.
2. Minnesota has a glut of RBs. Oakland too as mentioned earlier. Someone better may shake loose in TC. RB doesn't take a rocket scientist to step in and play so learning the offense in a week is not that big of deal.

[MichaelWinicki]

http://nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-RUSHING/2003/regular?sort_col_1=3&_1:col_1=4

Mikey he's not as far off as you think.

We averaged 32.2 attempts a game last season.
We should amp that to 35 with better line

20 Jones
10 George (15 is too high but 10 not)
5 Anderson


Number 1, Nors don't assume 35 carries per game.

Number 2, What about fullback carries? They're going to get 2-4 per game.

Number 3, What about QB carries? The do get carries.

Number 4, What about WR carries? Probably a couple per game.


Go fire up the TI Nors... your math needs to be refigured.

[MichaelWinicki]

if you took the name off the back of George's jersey and just judged him a player off the street, he couldn't beat out Hambrick last year. He wouldn't have made an NFL team last year. He was worse than Hambrick by an objective statistical measure imaginable. I don't know what part of 3.3 ypc people don't understand. That wasn't a fluke, he's been absolutely terrible since we left the last melleinum. His star power and name recognition are the only reason he's held a job in the NFL for the last 3 years.


He's just a bad football player who is too old to ever get any better. So yes, I would rather have every guy on our roster than Eddie George, I don't care what he did in 1998.


Inman... I think these folks are nuts. George played behind a better line than Hambrick AND he had a lower average. That in itself is incredible. But there are folks here clamoring for his signing.

I've got some inhabitable swamp land too I want to peddle. I think I've found some suckers... er... buyers.

[Mike 1967]

Troy Hambrick Part II... that's what I think.


George is washed up. If I wanted an old, washed up RB on my team I'd want it to be Emmitt (who is better then George right now anyway).


Although George may be washed up due to mileage.....I totally disagree with your Hambrick analogy.

George was a winner. Hambrick never was and never will be.

[jobberone]

Bickerstaff's injury does raise some interest in a power, goaline back, but George will damand more money then I wanna give him. You could get an ufa that would do just as good of a job with 5-7 carries...

What we need is a feature back more than a power back around the goal if Julius/OL is not the answer. Smith scored a lot of TDs without being a power back. He had the vision, enough power and a great OL. We didn't need a power back. Hopefully Julius and this OL can do the same and we won't need to bring someone in around the goal or on short and 3.

Now we have a suspect at least unproven OL, an unproven rookie RB, no running attack already here before Jones, and a bruising but also untested RB who is now injured and out for the year. Bickerstaff was a hope not a known answer.

If you wait for George you will likely loose him. He needs to go somewhere for job security and also to learn a new offense. That's assuming he is going to get cut.

George is not a breakaway threat. He needs carries to produce. He needs an OL that can wear another team down with him. He needs enough of a passing attack/varied offense the other teams can't key on him. He is gonna produce yds but he won't manufacture a lot by himself other than 3+yds and a cloud of dust.

I think we can pick up a bruiser assuming someone here can't get you 2-3 yds when you need it. Let George go. He will have a good year doing that for a team very near a championship for sure. Like Philly. He doesn't have enough gas/mileage left to take him over a possible longer term solution.

The cons outway the negatives IMO.

[Mike 1967]

What we need is a feature back more than a power back around the goal if Julius/OL is not the answer. Smith scored a lot of TDs without being a power back. He had the vision, enough power and a great OL. We didn't need a power back. Hopefully Julius and this OL can do the same and we won't need to bring someone in around the goal or on short and 3.

Now we have a suspect at least unproven OL, an unproven rookie RB, no running attack already here before Jones, and a bruising but also untested RB who is now injured and out for the year. Bickerstaff was a hope not a known answer.

If you wait for George you will likely loose him. He needs to go somewhere for job security and also to learn a new offense. That's assuming he is going to get cut.

George is not a breakaway threat. He needs carries to produce. He needs an OL that can wear another team down with him. He needs enough of a passing attack/varied offense the other teams can't key on him. He is gonna produce yds but he won't manufacture a lot by himself other than 3+yds and a cloud of dust.

I think we can pick up a bruiser assuming someone here can't get you 2-3 yds when you need it. Let George go. He will have a good year doing that for a team very near a championship for sure. Like Philly. He doesn't have enough gas/mileage left to take him over a possible longer term solution.

The cons outway the negatives IMO.

I think your assesment is in line with Parcells goal.

He is looking for the next Curtis Martin. He wants a player that will not make mistakes...make steady yardage and bust an occasional game changer. Speed is a necessary ingredient for the latter.

[LaTunaNostra]

Inman... I think these folks are nuts. George played behind a better line than Hambrick AND he had a lower average. That in itself is incredible. But there are folks here clamoring for his signing.

I've got some inhabitable swamp land too I want to peddle. I think I've found some suckers... er... buyers.
I'm ripe for suckering, Mike, as are many fans, but good thing Jerry and Bill are made of sterner stuff.

I did not b*tch and moan all offseason when the party line was don't jump on the over priced FAs, didn't challenge the myth so many so called pearls would drop off in camp (yeh rite), and shut up when the Winfields weren't even let in for an interview.

Now when the true trash is being taken out, I want to bring it in. It must be that extra cap money burning a hole in my, err, Jerry's pocket. :p

Still, no way Eddie George should make more than ...well go look at that salary page and see who is getting paid what around here.

[Yeagermeister]

I say sign him for vet min for insurance

[Charles]

This is a great thread. Good debate Imanroshi, Mick, BP, Tuna.......

Not to side track, but I just listened to the phone call George had with Trey Wingo (ESPN). This is what stood out.....................


Asked during an interview on ESPN radio on Monday where he'd like to play if he doesn't return to the Titans, George singled out the Eagles, Buccaneers and Cowboys.


"I'd like to get with a team that's on the brink of possibly winning the Super Bowl," George told Trey Wingo on The Dan Patrick Radio Show. "Obviously, a team with a need at the position. ... Of those three, that would be a possibility that I would be looking forward to".......................

It's nice to know that our team is regarded by George as being on the brink of a SuperBowl. Defenses win championships.

Mick in reply to your post..........

I can envision George getting 10-15 carries per game. Parcells has utilised running back by committee (see Giants). I think the back-up point has been raised by many posters. I doubt George will sign because he won't be featured on any Special teams units this late in his career, plus Aveion Cason seems to be a forgotten man in all this conversation. He can play on kicking units and has shown a little something toting the ball with limited caries. He's bulked up. It's hard to envision going into the season with Cason and Lee as back-up Rbs should Julius go down, but in Parcells we trust.

[Dale]

I wouldn't mind having George on this team. A successful back like him (not necessarily his current performance level, but as far as his career) could give Julius a few pointers. He also has a lot of heart and would no doubt make a great presence in the locker room.

I just feel uncomfortable with Lee and Cason as our only other options at running back other than Julius. If Jones were to get hurt, it'd be nice to have a George come in for a game or two and take the load. While he might take the spot of a young player like Lee, I'd prefer to have Lee earn the roster spot than have it given to him because there is no one else competing for the job. If Lee is impressive enough, I'm sure the contract George would be given would be light enough to where he could technically be released without killing our cap (if he's wanting a lot of money, all bets are off).

[Charles]

I wouldn't mind having George on this team. A successful back like him (not necessarily his current performance level, but as far as his career) could give Julius a few pointers. He also has a lot of heart and would no doubt make a great presence in the locker room.

I just feel uncomfortable with Lee and Cason as our only other options at running back other than Julius. If Jones were to get hurt, it'd be nice to have a George come in for a game or two and take the load. While he might take the spot of a young player like Lee, I'd prefer to have Lee earn the roster spot than have it given to him because there is no one else competing for the job. If Lee is impressive enough, I'm sure the contract George would be given would be light enough to where he could technically be released without killing our cap (if he's wanting a lot of money, all bets are off).

Ditto..........

[MichaelWinicki]

This is a great thread. Good debate Imanroshi, Mick, BP, Tuna.......

Not to side track, but I just listened to the phone call George had with Trey Wingo (ESPN). This is what stood out.....................


Asked during an interview on ESPN radio on Monday where he'd like to play if he doesn't return to the Titans, George singled out the Eagles, Buccaneers and Cowboys.


"I'd like to get with a team that's on the brink of possibly winning the Super Bowl," George told Trey Wingo on The Dan Patrick Radio Show. "Obviously, a team with a need at the position. ... Of those three, that would be a possibility that I would be looking forward to".......................

It's nice to know that our team is regarded by George as being on the brink of a SuperBowl. Defenses win championships.

Mick in reply to your post..........

I can envision George getting 10-15 carries per game. Parcells has utilised running back by committee (see Giants). I think the back-up point has been raised by many posters. I doubt George will sign because he won't be featured on any Special teams units this late in his career, plus Aveion Cason seems to be a forgotten man in all this conversation. He can play on kicking units and has shown a little something toting the ball with limited caries. He's bulked up. It's hard to envision going into the season with Cason and Lee as back-up Rbs should Julius go down, but in Parcells we trust.


But Q, where are the carries going to come from? Here's the math:

Say we average 33 carries per game... not an unreasonable figure right?

Now lets subtract 2 per game for the QB.

We have 31 carries per game.

Now lets subtract 2 per game for the WRs.

We now have 29 carries per game.

I'm betting Richie Anderson gets at least 5 carries per game.

We now have 24 carries per game.

The fullbacks will get 4 carries per game.

We now have 20 carries per game.


20 carries per game. And if Julius Jones doesn't get at least 15 of those somone needs to be tossed in prison or at least room with Hos for one year... which ever is deemed more cruel.

So how are you getting 10-15 carries per game for George?

[MichaelWinicki]

I wouldn't mind having George on this team. A successful back like him (not necessarily his current performance level, but as far as his career) could give Julius a few pointers. He also has a lot of heart and would no doubt make a great presence in the locker room.

I just feel uncomfortable with Lee and Cason as our only other options at running back other than Julius. If Jones were to get hurt, it'd be nice to have a George come in for a game or two and take the load. While he might take the spot of a young player like Lee, I'd prefer to have Lee earn the roster spot than have it given to him because there is no one else competing for the job. If Lee is impressive enough, I'm sure the contract George would be given would be light enough to where he could technically be released without killing our cap (if he's wanting a lot of money, all bets are off).


If Julius Jones gets hurt?

What if Emmitt got hurt?

For that matter you had "Eddie George" on the roster. Any washed up back can get 3.3 ypc. If I'm going to even consider a vet backup give me someone that has hit 4.0 since George Dubya was elected. Geez.

[InmanRoshi]

I just wish I could find as much solace and comfort in "insurance" as you guys do, especially when our "insurance" has proven to be a bad football player. I don't find comfort knowing we have proven bad players on our football team. Especially when those bad players are old, and have no shot of getting better.

I mean ... come on. You think Hambrick was bad? Hambrick had a better ypc than George. George had 300 carries last year and his longest run was 27 yards. Hambrick had 275 carries and had a long run of 42 yards. George only had 5 games last year where he had a run for 15 yards or longer. Hambrick had 6 games last year where he had a run of 15 yards or longer.

You have to suck pretty bad to make Troy Hambrick look like a breakaway threat.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I just wish I could find as much solace and comfort in "insurance" as you guys do, especially when our "insurance" has proven to be a bad football player. I don't find comfort knowing we have proven bad players on our football team. Especially when those bad players are old, and have no shot of getting better.

I mean ... come on. You think Hambrick was bad? Hambrick had a better ypc than George. George had 300 carries last year and his longest run was 27 yards. Hambrick had 275 carries and had a long run of 42 yards. George only had 5 games last year where he had a run for 15 yards or longer. Hambrick had 6 games last year where he had a run of 15 yards or longer.

You have to suck pretty bad to make Troy Hambrick look like a breakaway threat.


George did not play against the invisible defensive line of the Redskinz like Hambrick did...

Ok Sorry..I saw a chance to rip on the skins and had to take advantage. :p

[MichaelWinicki]

I just wish I could find as much solace and comfort in "insurance" as you guys do, especially when our "insurance" has proven to be a bad football player. I don't find comfort knowing we have proven bad players on our football team. Especially when those bad players are old, and have no shot of getting better.

I mean ... come on. You think Hambrick was bad? Hambrick had a better ypc than George. George had 300 carries last year and his longest run was 27 yards. Hambrick had 275 carries and had a long run of 42 yards. George only had 5 games last year where he had a run for 15 yards or longer. Hambrick had 6 games last year where he had a run of 15 yards or longer.

You have to suck pretty bad to make Troy Hambrick look like a breakaway threat.

Honestly Inman I don't know how people, all of whom I respect like "Regan" (AKA LaTuna), would dare suggest we dig up this corpse and put him on the roster. Eddie George is the living dead. The only place he should be seen is in the next George Romero flick.

[LaTunaNostra]

Memo to BP, memo to BP.

Eddie George did not play for Marshall. ;)

Good debate tho. Pretty persuasive arguments on both sides.

Might just come down to that coin toss after all.

[LaTunaNostra]

Honestly Inman I don't know how people, all of whom I respect like "Regan" (AKA LaTuna), would dare suggest we dig up this corpse and put him on the roster. Eddie George is the living dead. The only place he should be seen is in the next George Romero flick.

So I'm (sorta) buying the swampland, Mikey. (insert emoticon ping pong ball)

Make that re-make the "Creature from the Black Lagoon".

later :p

[Mike 1967]

Honestly Inman I don't know how people, all of whom I respect like "Regan" (AKA LaTuna), would dare suggest we dig up this corpse and put him on the roster. Eddie George is the living dead. The only place he should be seen is in the next George Romero flick.

Mike

Why do you keep putting those semi nude pictures of your Mom on your signature line ? :D

[MichaelWinicki]

Mike

Why do you keep putting those semi nude pictures of your Mom on your signature line ? :D


SOB Mike... I was told they were your mom!

At least that's what your dad said. :D

[BrAinPaiNt]

Memo to BP, memo to BP.

Eddie George did not play for Marshall. ;)

Good debate tho. Pretty persuasive arguments on both sides.

Might just come down to that coin toss after all.


Trust me if you have watched Marshall football over the years you would know that a good RB coming out of HS would never go to marshall...that place is all about the QB and WRs aka Passing game.

And before you get the wrong idea....I am not thinking that Eddie is the be all end all to put us over the top.

I just want insurance and to be honest he seems like the best of the bunch currently available....you do not see me calling for them to bring in A.Murrell (who played at WVU).

But I could see EG playing a roll similar to what Hoard did for Minnesota a few years back.

I think Madden kept saying that Hoard would tell him...If you need me to get 2 yards I will give you 3.....if you need me to get you 15 I will get you 3 LOL

But he did serve well for Minny in some situations....I do NOT want eddie to come in here to be the starter.

Now like I said before I think he is the best of the bunch out there....but if not him then lets look at someone else that is out there and cheap like A.Smith or Mack or someone.

IMO it is still better then a combo of Lee and Cason ...and Anderson mixed in...incase one of them has to take over the starting spot.

I really wish there were BETTER options out there...but as it stands IMO bill screwed up last year by not bringing in more RBs and I think they did the same this year with the money they had.

Now maybe my worries will go away if Julius pans out and stays healthy this year...but just like I was worried last year (and later found to be with good cause as hambrick sucked as a STARTER)....I will worry this year until proven otherwise.

[jobberone]

RW, you are correct that RA was never a power fullback, a brusiing blocker. Always the "versatile" receiving type. But for many year he was a successful blocker for Curtis Martin, who maintained Richie has the vision and patience to set up blocks for him, and the shiftiness to lead him out well. Called him the ideal blocker for his own running style. And Martin is a guy who was blocked for by the likes of Sam Gash.

RA probably would never have had as long a career as he had if he had tried to make it as a tail. Certainly never had the makings of a starting feature back. In fact, it was only compared to Tham that I ever even imagined him a tailback. :D

Anderson is a throwback to a day when fullbacks were weapons with versatility. They weren't one dimensional.

He has managed to hang on this long by not being a problem but a solution.

I didn't know Martin thought that much of him as a blocker. I guess we didn't have a good enough runner to take advantage of him. I'm adjusting my impression of his abilities. Let's see how Jones and Anderson team up.

I'd like to think that Parcells won't just feed the ball to someone to satisfy their hunger for numbers. I don't think we have a ball club that can prosper with an offensive plan of here we come, you know what we're going to do and we not only dare you to stop it, but you can't. Smith et al are gone. But who knows. I wouldn't mind a reincarnation of the early 90s offense as long as it's as successful. :)

[jobberone]

Trust me if you have watched Marshall football over the years you would know that a good RB coming out of HS would never go to marshall...that place is all about the QB and WRs aka Passing game.

And before you get the wrong idea....I am not thinking that Eddie is the be all end all to put us over the top.

I just want insurance and to be honest he seems like the best of the bunch currently available....you do not see me calling for them to bring in A.Murrell (who played at WVU).

But I could see EG playing a roll similar to what Hoard did for Minnesota a few years back.

I think Madden kept saying that Hoard would tell him...If you need me to get 2 yards I will give you 3.....if you need me to get you 15 I will get you 3 LOL

But he did serve well for Minny in some situations....I do NOT want eddie to come in here to be the starter.

Now like I said before I think he is the best of the bunch out there....but if not him then lets look at someone else that is out there and cheap like A.Smith or Mack or someone.

IMO it is still better then a combo of Lee and Cason ...and Anderson mixed in...incase one of them has to take over the starting spot.

I really wish there were BETTER options out there...but as it stands IMO bill screwed up last year by not bringing in more RBs and I think they did the same this year with the money they had.

Now maybe my worries will go away if Julius pans out and stays healthy this year...but just like I was worried last year (and later found to be with good cause as hambrick sucked as a STARTER)....I will worry this year until proven otherwise.

What I'm worried about is Eddie's perception of himself being a starter for more than a year and wanting the ball a lot.

I have no problem if Parcells brings him here to start as long as Jones gets enough carries to learn the game for next year. In fact the more I think of it the more I like that aspect of it.

However, I do have a problem with George taking someones roster spot that could contribute close to the same for less money and have a future here.

If we found we didn't have much at RB several weeks into camp and George was available then I'd take him to play a limited role. Don't ask me to define that as it would be everchanging and depend on injuries, the team up next, how they did in the game, yada.

I'd like to think someone steps up but George is an option even if I don't like it. He's the older second car in the driveway. You don't want to drive it long distances but it will get you to your job.

George is super dependable or at least has been and he can get the job done although he can't win the Daytona 500. He'll just be there at the end somewhere.

I think he will sign somewhere else to get a chance to be productive this year. However, I'm often wrong. Hope he doesn't go to Philly. Come on Oakland. Don't let me down (I have no idea if they even need him. Just stay in the AFC Eddie).

[joseephuss]

George did not play against the invisible defensive line of the Redskinz like Hambrick did...

Ok Sorry..I saw a chance to rip on the skins and had to take advantage. :p

I know you were being funny(that was funny), but George actually faced a worse ranked rushing defense than Washington(24th) in Houston(31st) and Oakland(32nd). In those three games he had 58 carries for 181 yards.

[Mike 1967]

SOB Mike... I was told they were your mom!

At least that's what your dad said. :D

.................. ouch

[MichaelWinicki]

.................. ouch

I'm sorry Mike I didn't mean it!

Please don't get mad!

I take it back!

[Mike 1967]

I'm sorry Mike I didn't mean it!

Please don't get mad!

I take it back!

How could I get mad when I'm the one who started it :D

[MichaelWinicki]

How could I get mad when I'm the one who started it :D


Oh yeah you did!

I feel much better now.

Thanks Mike!

[BrAinPaiNt]

What I'm worried about is Eddie's perception of himself being a starter for more than a year and wanting the ball a lot.

I have no problem if Parcells brings him here to start as long as Jones gets enough carries to learn the game for next year. In fact the more I think of it the more I like that aspect of it.

However, I do have a problem with George taking someones roster spot that could contribute close to the same for less money and have a future here.

I think Eddie may have that in his head...but I also think he will face a harsh reality that many do not see him as a starter anymore...I think this will also hit him in the wallet in terms of money he thinks he will get and what he will have to settle for in the end.

If we found we didn't have much at RB several weeks into camp and George was available then I'd take him to play a limited role. Don't ask me to define that as it would be everchanging and depend on injuries, the team up next, how they did in the game, yada.

I can understand that...this will serve 3 purposes as well.

One it will give Eddie some time to test the market and find out that he probably will not get the money he wants...and also let it set in that he is no longer a starter but a role player/backup back. The last purpose is that who knows...maybe Lee or Cason really stands out and impresses the staff.

I'd like to think someone steps up but George is an option even if I don't like it. He's the older second car in the driveway. You don't want to drive it long distances but it will get you to your job.

George is super dependable or at least has been and he can get the job done although he can't win the Daytona 500. He'll just be there at the end somewhere.

That is what I am saying...just insurance if we can find nothing else better.

I think he will sign somewhere else to get a chance to be productive this year. However, I'm often wrong. Hope he doesn't go to Philly. Come on Oakland. Don't let me down (I have no idea if they even need him. Just stay in the AFC Eddie).

Just curious...If you are not too high on eddie...then why do you not want him to go to philly?

[Mike 1967]

Oh yeah you did!

I feel much better now.

Thanks Mike!

So who was your favorite General of the Civil War.

I like Grant, Stonewall and Sherman.

[MichaelWinicki]

So who was your favorite General of the Civil War.

I like Grant, Stonewall and Sherman.


I take a different view on CW generals.

I like Dan Sickles, Joe Hooker, Phil Kearny, AA Humphreys, Lafayette McLaws.

Not necessarily generals without flaws but interesting none the less.

[Mike 1967]

I take a different view on CW generals.

I like Dan Sickles, Joe Hooker, Phil Kearny, AA Humphreys, Lafayette McLaws.

Not necessarily generals without flaws but interesting none the less.

I'm familiar with Hooker...the rest I do not recognize.

Wasn't Hooker overly cautious ?

I like Grant because he was a staunch realist who understood what was required to win and made it happen.

I liked Stonewall because he was willing to take huge gambles......understood how to impact a battle......had strong faith in God and IMO was the best Calvary tactician of the War.

[Nightshade]

Eddie George?
Sure why not. He wants 1.5 - 2 mil for 4 years from Tennessee. He thinks he's still a feature back. But if he takes a one year vet min - 1mil contract from Dallas to back up a second round rookie then again, why not.

Even if he was willing to take that contract, I don't think Dallas is interested.
They passed on Stephen Davis in favour of Adrian Murrell and Bickerstaff. When it comes to RB, Bill's all about walking around the beach with a metal detector.

Anyway, Dallas isn't interested in big name FA's this year. Maybe next year?

Geez man, I can't wait for training camp to start so we can talk about the team instead of these off hand comments from old FA's and tapped out sportswriters. :(

[Nightshade]

I'm familiar with Hooker...the rest I do not recognize.

Wasn't Hooker overly cautious ?

I like Grant because he was a staunch realist who understood what was required to win and made it happen.

I liked Stonewall because he was willing to take huge gambles......understood how to impact a battle......had strong faith in God and IMO was the best Calvary tactician of the War.

Grant maybe my favourite historical personage. There is no greater example of perseverence through adversity that I can name. Lincoln's cool too. :)

[jobberone]

For all of those moaning and groaning about Eddie Georges numbers.....just remember that is him as a starter....just as hambricks sucked as a starter.

However If we bring in eddie george, he will not be brought in to be a starter....he will be brought in for part time duty....and just think of how good Hambrick did in spot duty while emmitt was still here.

I think too many of you think that others want him to be brought in as the starter...when that is not the case at all.

I also find it almost on the scary side that some of you are ok with Reshard Lee and R.Anderson being the only backups to J.Jones...and we do not even know how J.Jones will do let alone if he gets hurt.

THINK.

RB is scary as there is no known starter and nothing but question marks. However, I personally think it is better to wait and see what we have via OL and what our current RBs do. All of the offense fits together. A better OL makes everything better. A better QC makes everything better. Better RBs make QC and the OL look better. A better balanced and explosive offense makes everything look better. Put in the WRs and TEs, too.

I think we can pick up someone who can pick up three yds when you need it assuming we need to pick up someone at all. Jones and Anderson may be able to do what you want.

It's a scary position for this team but the easiest one to fix. George is too expensive, too old, and doesn't have it anymore IMO. But he isn't a terrible fix either. So I won't commit ritual suicide if he's signed.

[Skeptic]

I hope Eddie George comes to Dallas. If Parcells can get Eddie 10-15 carries a game he could be very effective. I think his days as a work horse are numbered.

I don't see it happening because I doubt Eddie will play on special teams thias late in his career and if he isn't the featured RB, he'll take up a roster spot that could be used for a young RB like Lee or 2nd FB whom will also play on Special teams ( KO defense or KO returns).
All I have to say about that sig is......wow.

[Charles]

But Q, where are the carries going to come from? Here's the math:

Say we average 33 carries per game... not an unreasonable figure right?

Now lets subtract 2 per game for the QB.

We have 31 carries per game.

Now lets subtract 2 per game for the WRs.

We now have 29 carries per game.

I'm betting Richie Anderson gets at least 5 carries per game.

We now have 24 carries per game.

The fullbacks will get 4 carries per game.

We now have 20 carries per game.


20 carries per game. And if Julius Jones doesn't get at least 15 of those somone needs to be tossed in prison or at least room with Hos for one year... which ever is deemed more cruel.

So how are you getting 10-15 carries per game for George?After reading your hypothetical breakdown I understand how one can come to the conclusion that 10-15 carries a game for Eddie isn’t plausible.

In your hypothetical breakdown, the assumption is Julius Jones will be good enough to carry the ball 15-20 times game. Nobody knows whether or not Julius Jones is good enough to handle 1 or 20 carries a game in the NFL. Eddie George even though he’s on the down side of his career, he’s a proven commodity.

Playing with injuries last season Eddie avg. 20 carries a game. The year before Eddie avg. 21 carries a game. A healthy and limited Eddie George would be more effective running behind a FB than dishing out 2 carries to a FB like Richie, Martin, Barnes on a FB option. Richie has been moved to 3rd down back duties. I doubt Parcells will ask him to get the tough yards when Julius is getting a breather or struggling. I’d rather have a limited Eddie than unproven Martin, Barnes over whoever.

I agree with the sentiment that we should go into the season with the hopes that Julius will become a stud RB carrying the ball 20-25 times a game, but don’t I understand why you can’t see the logic behind of having a proven player like Eddie as a back-up with the caveat that his carries will be determined by how good Julius proves.

Until Julius proves other wise I don’t see why Eddie can’t tot the ball 10-15 times a game like Otis Anderson, but I consider it highly unlikey Eddie will sign with the Cowboys because historically other than the projected primary ball carrier (Julius) other backs on a Parcells coached team have played on Special teams.

[MichaelWinicki]

After reading your hypothetical breakdown I understand how one can come to the conclusion that 10-15 carries a game for Eddie isn’t plausible.

In your hypothetical breakdown, the assumption is Julius Jones will be good enough to carry the ball 15-20 times game. Nobody knows whether or not Julius Jones is good enough to handle 1 or 20 carries a game in the NFL. Eddie George even though he’s on the down side of his career, he’s a proven commodity.

Playing with injuries last season Eddie avg. 20 carries a game. The year before Eddie avg. 21 carries a game. A healthy and limited Eddie George would be more effective running behind a FB than dishing out 2 carries to a FB like Richie, Martin, Barnes on a FB option. Richie has been moved to 3rd down back duties. I doubt Parcells will ask him to get the tough yards when Julius is getting a breather or struggling. I’d rather have a limited Eddie than unproven Martin, Barnes over whoever.

I agree with the sentiment that we should go into the season with the hopes that Julius will become a stud RB carrying the ball 20-25 times a game, but don’t I understand why you can’t see the logic behind of having a proven player like Eddie as a back-up with the caveat that his carries will be determined by how good Julius proves.

Until Julius proves other wise I don’t see why Eddie can’t tot the ball 10-15 times a game like Otis Anderson, but I consider it highly unlikey Eddie will sign with the Cowboys because historically other than the projected primary ball carrier (Julius) other backs on a Parcells coached team have played on Special teams.


OK I see your point BUT, last year we didn't sign an experienced corner in the event Terrance Newman didn't work out. The year before that we didn't sign an experienced safety in the event Roy Williams didn't work out.

I think Julius Jones deserves every opportunity to prove he can carry the rock 15-20 times per game. If we get through 3 weeks of training camp and he hasn't shown anything then I'll worry. But truthfully if we can't find a RB that can't do what Eddie George has done for Tennessee over the past few then I would be shocked.

AND it isn't like a backup RB is the difference between this team being a Superbowl team or not... because it isn't. I say let's Jones prove his worth, let's see if Quincy can step it up, let's see if Hunter can play, let's see if we can get more sacks. Let's see if this team has the stones to make a drive in 2005.

[blindzebra]

We have been passing on viable vets at QB, CB, DT, and RT so why should RB be any different?

We are building this team for the long haul, not just this year. George MIGHT help us in 2004, but is it worth it if it limits Jones, Lee, and Cason?

[Charles]

OK I see your point BUT, last year we didn't sign an experienced corner in the event Terrance Newman didn't work out. The year before that we didn't sign an experienced safety in the event Roy Williams didn't work out.

I think Julius Jones deserves every opportunity to prove he can carry the rock 15-20 times per game. If we get through 3 weeks of training camp and he hasn't shown anything then I'll worry. But truthfully if we can't find a RB that can't do what Eddie George has done for Tennessee over the past few then I would be shocked.

AND it isn't like a backup RB is the difference between this team being a Superbowl team or not... because it isn't. I say let's Jones prove his worth, let's see if Quincy can step it up, let's see if Hunter can play, let's see if we can get more sacks. Let's see if this team has the stones to make a drive in 2005.

You have point too. The signing of Eddie George will go against what Parcells did last year in the off-season.

Guys like Cason, Lee etc should be given the chance. All reports indicate that they have had stellar off-seasons. It would be a slap in their face if Eddie was brought in without giving them a chance in training camp to prove their worth.

But let's not put Julius in the same category as Newman and Williams. They were top 10 picks. RBs can be found throughout the draft, but a top 10 pick carries higher a cap figure and potential label.

Eddie value will go up the closer the season gets, because some teams will lose players to injuries or poor play.

In Bill we Trust bro.

[MichaelWinicki]

In Bill we Trust bro.



QC... we have no other option at this point.

[junk]

Guys like Cason, Lee etc should be given the chance. All reports indicate that they have had stellar off-seasons. It would be a slap in their face if Eddie was brought in without giving them a chance in training camp to prove their worth.


I agree. I think if a vet RB is brought in, it will be after the first week of the season. After these guys have had their chance and shown if they could or could not do it.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Guys like Cason, Lee etc should be given the chance. All reports indicate that they have had stellar off-seasons. It would be a slap in their face if Eddie was brought in without giving them a chance in training camp to prove their worth.

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Same could be said of Antonio Bryant before Keys was brought in.
Same could be said of QC when both drew and Vinney were brought in.

Your first thing should be to try and make the team better...even through depth.

I think bill has said something along the lines of too bad if someone is brought in as competition.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Same could be said of Antonio Bryant before Keys was brought in.
Same could be said of QC when both drew and Vinney were brought in.

Your first thing should be to try and make the team better...even through depth.

I think bill has said something along the lines of too bad if someone is brought in as competition.

This is absolutly correct in my view. Hell with who ever when it comes to bringing in talent. If we can get it, do it. If player xyz feels slighted, he can feel slighted in Az or somewhere. That's just part of the game in my view.

[MichaelWinicki]

This is absolutly correct in my view. Hell with who ever when it comes to bringing in talent. If we can get it, do it. If player xyz feels slighted, he can feel slighted in Az or somewhere. That's just part of the game in my view.


Yeah but you're confusing Eddie George with "talent". Please don't compare a washed up, over the hill, geriatric Eddie George with any seriously talented back.

3.3 ypc--get otta town and take that limp ypc with you--be gone!