View Full Version : Anyone else surprised and ready to eat Crow on Mark Brunnel?
Charles
10-26-2005, 09:06 AM
I am surprised at the way he's performed. I have no doubt that the game in Dallas got his mojo back.
He is making plays and is delievering the ball with velocity, accuracy and 90% of the time giving his WRs chances to make plays.
He only has 2 INTs :eek:
If you watched Brunnel a couple of years ago, you'd see a veteran QB with shot knees and legs that reduced his arm strenght and mobility to little league status. I wanted no part of him when he was a free agent. I didn't believe like some did on this forum that he still had some gaas in the tank. I pawned it off to some wanting ABC........ :p:
I am not ready to eat crow yet, but I am surprised. If he's able to go into NY this weekend. play well and lead the Skins to a victory, I'll take my fair share of crow. I don't really care about the unit rankings. The Eagles came into the Cowboys game with the best offense and we shut them down, therefore I don't pay that much attention to the Giants defensive ranking when they play a divisional opponent.
Champsheart
10-26-2005, 09:08 AM
Lets see how long he can go before he is injured again.
SultanOfSix
10-26-2005, 09:09 AM
No one is ready to give Drew the benefit of the doubt yet, so why should anyone give Brunell it?
Drew has a rookie and just lost his pro-Bowl left tackle. Brunell hasn't lost anyone on his offensive line.
Yes, he's playing very well, but we haven't even got to the halfway point of the season. It's amazing what two lucky throws can do to one's confidence.
VACowboy
10-26-2005, 09:13 AM
I'm not eating any crow. I never bashed Brunell or the Skins. In fact, I've been pretty consistent in my physical illness as I post my fear that the Skins are for real. Good defense. Decent OL. Pro Bowl RB. Legit deep threat/big play guy at WR. HOF coach. (Hall is a top-5 kicker when he's in the game.) All that was missing was consistent, error-free QB play and Brunell is giving them much more than that. Pardon me while I puke.
Charles
10-26-2005, 09:17 AM
No one is ready to give Drew the benefit of the doubt yet, so why should anyone give Brunell it?
Drew has a rookie and just lost his pro-Bowl left tackle. Brunell hasn't lost anyone on his offensive line.
Yes, he's playing very well, but we haven't even got to the halfway point of the season. It's amazing what two lucky throws can do to one's confidence.
I wouldn't call it luck because Brunnel has proven in the past that he can lead a team deep into the play-offs. Their excution on those 2 plays were text book perfect.
Drew Bledsoe hadn't fallen to the depths that Brunnel had in Jacksonville. Most around the league considered Brunnel a back-up at best and last year somewhat proved the point.
This year the Skins don't have a dominant running game.
Brunnel in my opinion (even though stats might reflex differently) is playing better than Drew. He rarely if ever makes any bone head plays. He protects the ball and buys time with his legs and shows exceptional zip on the ball while on the run (backpedalling or running sideline to side line).
Injuries happen to every team. Even if he doesn't play-out the entire season I think if Brunnel leads the Skins to a victory on Sunday, the contract he got last doesn't look too Synder-esque.
VACowboy
10-26-2005, 09:21 AM
Drew's better than Brunell if he's not being hit every play. JMO.
Charles
10-26-2005, 09:22 AM
I'm not eating any crow. I never bashed Brunell or the Skins. In fact, I've been pretty consistent in my physical illness as I post my fear that the Skins are for real. Good defense. Decent OL. Pro Bowl RB. Legit deep threat/big play guy at WR. HOF coach. (Hall is a top-5 kicker when he's in the game.) All that was missing was consistent, error-free QB play and Brunell is giving them much more than that. Pardon me while I puke.
Can I join in :puke:
CrazyCowboy
10-26-2005, 09:25 AM
Yes, however let's give him a few more games.......remember Bledsoe looked awesome until the past two games.
kingwhicker
10-26-2005, 09:27 AM
He'll got popped yet- don't worry. I see a broken bone in his future.
Brunell does not have the arm Bledsoe does. Bledsoe does not have the mobility the Mark has.
Brunells arm is strong enough so even with Bledsoe having a stronger arm, I would go with Brunell as the better QB right now.
Big plays happen when a QB can buy just a little time...Drew just doesn't have that.
As far as reading defenses. Well, with Mark having only 2 interceptions compared to Drews 4, I would say Brunell has him there too...and I know INT's are not always the QB's fault, just trying to be un-biasd.
ps...I'm not dissing Drew either, he is the best so far that we have seen since 2000. Just wish he had a little better mobility.
VACowboy
10-26-2005, 09:30 AM
Yes, however let's give him a few more games.......remember Bledsoe looked awesome until the past two games.
Can only judge a guy on what he's done. We'll judge them again next week.
Lifer
10-26-2005, 09:41 AM
Brother, please. I could have thrown for 300 yards against the 49ers last week. You're views are far too myopic.
kartr
10-26-2005, 09:46 AM
Drew's better than Brunell if he's not being hit every play. JMO.
That's what makes Brunell better than Drew. He can make plays with his legs and deliver the ball accurately. He also doesn't fumble all the time.
Doomsday101
10-26-2005, 09:48 AM
No doubt Brunnel has done a great job for the skins to this point. Regardless of how people feel about the Redskin you can't denie the fact that Brunnel makes them a better team and they can't be considered a push over any longer.
InmanRoshi
10-26-2005, 09:56 AM
I'll eat crow. He's been far better than I ever dreamed he would be.
I wanted Brunell before he went to the skins. Then I was glad he went to the skins after seeing his performance there. Now, who knows?
I will say this, I was wrong on the skins. I thought they'd be a five win team at best.
BrAinPaiNt
10-26-2005, 10:10 AM
He is doing much better then I expected....but at the same time he was much worse last year then I expected.
I think the O-line is making a big difference and it appears he is no longer injured like last year.
kartr
10-26-2005, 03:30 PM
I am surprised at the way he's performed. I have no doubt that the game in Dallas got his mojo back.
He is making plays and is delievering the ball with velocity, accuracy and 90% of the time giving his WRs chances to make plays.
He only has 2 INTs :eek:
If you watched Brunnel a couple of years ago, you'd see a veteran QB with shot knees and legs that reduced his arm strenght and mobility to little league status. I wanted no part of him when he was a free agent. I didn't believe like some did on this forum that he still had some gaas in the tank. I pawned it off to some wanting ABC........ :p:
I am not ready to eat crow yet, but I am surprised. If he's able to go into NY this weekend. play well and lead the Skins to a victory, I'll take my fair share of crow. I don't really care about the unit rankings. The Eagles came into the Cowboys game with the best offense and we shut them down, therefore I don't pay that much attention to the Giants defensive ranking when they play a divisional opponent.
Not surprised at all, he's always been one of my favorite qb's. I like play-making qb's who have enough escapability to protect themselves a little without forcing the O-line to over-protect him. It gives greater flexibility to the offense.
Hostile
10-26-2005, 03:36 PM
Not surprised at all, he's always been one of my favorite qb's. I like play-making qb's who have enough escapability to protect themselves a little without forcing the O-line to over-protect him. It gives greater flexibility to the offense.It can also handicap an offense. It depends upon when the QB decides to run. Too many run too soon so pass patterns don't get run deep enough to open up. You give up a 30 yard completion for a 6 yard run.
summervillain
10-26-2005, 03:41 PM
give me my serving, and I heard the Bledsoe, if you have to wait and see for him, why not Brunell too, argument, and while I agree with it, it's to an extent, which is, Brunell sucked arse last year, Bledsoe wasn't that bad, but Brunell was just apathetic, you saw how the REdskin offense fuctioned last year with him at the helm, and I too thought the skins would be giving the Broncs a top-5 pick in this year's draft, seems I was wrong on that account too...
TheHustler
10-26-2005, 03:42 PM
It can also handicap an offense. It depends upon when the QB decides to run. Too many run too soon so pass patterns don't get run deep enough to open up. You give up a 30 yard completion for a 6 yard run.
We're talking about an old Mark Brunell, not Vick :)
The guy is making plays. The Redskins are playing really well right now.
dal0789
10-26-2005, 03:42 PM
I hate brunell
Hostile
10-26-2005, 03:54 PM
We're talking about an old Mark Brunell, not Vick :)
The guy is making plays. The Redskins are playing really well right now.No, he was talking about making plays on the run.
ghettogandhi
10-26-2005, 04:13 PM
YES
unfortunately the skins and Brunell have played very well on offense since the game against us
kartr
10-26-2005, 05:48 PM
It can also handicap an offense. It depends upon when the QB decides to run. Too many run too soon so pass patterns don't get run deep enough to open up. You give up a 30 yard completion for a 6 yard run.
In the beginning, yes sure, but with experience most qb's learn when to run and when to wait, see Aikman,Elway and Young. If you're talking about Vick, he's only in his 5th year and has played under multiple coaches and offensive systems and receivers,plus he only started at Va. Tech for a year and half. I expect next year he will come into his own and people will stop referring to him as a glorified RB. Contrast that to Phillip Rivers who's learning to read NFL defenses and can't run and can't throw deep, so what good is he. At least Vick can do something now.
AbeBeta
10-26-2005, 05:52 PM
I don't know what happened with him. It seemed like during the monday night game he started off looking like the same old, washed up QB that he'd been for the past few years. His balls floated, he was too slow to recognize open receivers, made poor decisions, etc. Then, all of a sudden, he's got zip on his passes, he's making good quick decisions -- he's been playing great ever since.
It is very strange.
SkinsandTerps
10-26-2005, 05:55 PM
Troy Aikman was not a running QB. He was a scrambler. I think Troy has about 1000 yds rushing total for his entire career.
Steve Young has over 4000. Elway has around 3500
Cowchips
10-26-2005, 06:45 PM
2 big differences between Brunnell and Bledsoe are.
Bledsoe has been in the league for the same number of years but has 40% more production in terms of yds and touchdowns.
Bledsoe is durable and Brunnell is a ragdoll and tends to get injured a lot.
You be the judge!!
In the beginning, yes sure, but with experience most qb's learn when to run and when to wait, see Aikman,Elway and Young. If you're talking about Vick, he's only in his 5th year and has played under multiple coaches and offensive systems and receivers,plus he only started at Va. Tech for a year and half. I expect next year he will come into his own and people will stop referring to him as a glorified RB. Contrast that to Phillip Rivers who's learning to read NFL defenses and can't run and can't throw deep, so what good is he. At least Vick can do something now.
Those....uh...."reasons" sound eerily familiar.
Cowboy Junkie
10-26-2005, 07:11 PM
Lets see how long he can go before he is injured again.
Put me in for one of those...
Plus lets see if he wears down due to age thats if ofcourse he stays healthy
Rack Bauer
10-26-2005, 07:42 PM
Speaking of eating crow, I wonder what Maurice Clarett is doing these days...
TheHustler
10-26-2005, 07:48 PM
No, he was talking about making plays on the run.
Not disagreeing with you, not exactly at least. What I meant was that Vick tends to look run too easily and I don't think Brunell does that. He uses his feet to give his WRs more time to get open.
mr.jameswoods
10-26-2005, 08:01 PM
I don't think so Charles. I was one of the few guys on here a year ago that had to eat crow because I stated Brunell was a good addition for the Redskins. I didn't see you or anyone else join me nor did I hear any of you state that the Cowboys should have pursued Brunell in the 2004 offseason.
It seems like any time some random guy has success, someone out of the woodwork has to put their stamp on it.
I don't mind the "I toldja so" game but I only respect those who play fair meaning they don't hide when their prognostication is wrong and only come out when they are right about something.
BrAinPaiNt
10-26-2005, 08:18 PM
I don't think so Charles. I was one of the few guys on here a year ago that had to eat crow because I stated Brunell was a good addition for the Redskins. I didn't see you or anyone else join me nor did I hear any of you state that the Cowboys should have pursued Brunell in the 2004 offseason.
It seems like any time some random guy has success, someone out of the woodwork has to put their stamp on it.
I don't mind the "I toldja so" game but I only respect those who play fair meaning they don't hide when their prognostication is wrong and only come out when they are right about something.
Good to see you posting...maybe I have just missed it but it seems it has been awhile.
For the record I agree with you. I always liked Brunell...I don't know if I went far in defending him when the skins signed him...I may have bashed it for the price but other then that I had no problem with it.
However once again I was surprised by how bad he looked last year, but as I stated earlier his injuries must have been worse then believed at the time..and the troubles with the O-line as well.
Later
mr.jameswoods
10-26-2005, 08:30 PM
Good to see you posting...maybe I have just missed it but it seems it has been awhile.
For the record I agree with you. I always liked Brunell...I don't know if I went far in defending him when the skins signed him...I may have bashed it for the price but other then that I had no problem with it.
However once again I was surprised by how bad he looked last year, but as I stated earlier his injuries must have been worse then believed at the time..and the troubles with the O-line as well.
Later
Hey Brain
Good to hear from you too. School has been keeping me busy. I can't come on here as much as I would like. I liked Brunell too. I knew he was aging and his arm strength wasn't what it was but he was always a very bright QB who could read defenses and create something out of nothing when he was forced to. I didn't think he was Pro Bowl worthy but I thought he could help that team to a few more victories. Last year suprised me because he really looked like he lost all of that ability and he made a lot of uncharacteristic boneheaded plays.
LaTunaNostra
10-26-2005, 08:57 PM
He is doing much better then I expected....but at the same time he was much worse last year then I expected.
I think the O-line is making a big difference and it appears he is no longer injured like last year.
Ditto. He played like pure crap for several years. Not just last year, tho that was pretty bad.
The topic of his resurrection was discussed on NFT tv this week..someone said he got his legs back by working out thos offseason. :rolleyes:
He got a whole lot more back than that..like timing and accuracy, on the run and from the pocket.
Good for him.
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