Giants Extra Home Game

[juck]

I seriously think this is a load of crap.First ,home games mean everything this day and age.Second,Have u guys noticed they havent won away yet?This may matter a lot and the end of the season,i personally think manning chokes away from home.

[Padd]

I hated this from the moment it was announced....a total competitive advantage.

[Manster68]

They will get their first road win this Sunday in Frisco.

SF played their Super Bowl last week against Tampa.

Either way, with NYG or SF losing, we'll be happy.

[AbeBeta]

Dude -- this extra home game was the result of a terrible disaster that caused tremendous loss of life. Those surviving had their lives altered permanently and for the worse.

Get some perspective. This is so much bigger than football.

[juck]

I understand the devestating loss,but thats neither here nor there in regards to playing the game in nyc.it could have been played elsewhere neutral.its bullcrap.

[AbeBeta]

I understand the devestating loss,but thats neither here nor there in regards to playing the game in nyc.it could have been played elsewhere neutral.its bullcrap.

Where? you think the NFL didn't try to work that out? Here's bulletin - there are not a ton of unused venues capable of taking on an event of that magnitude on short notice.

Stop complaining -- the Giants beat NO any day of the week, any location.

[Vertigo_17]

Dude -- this extra home game was the result of a terrible disaster that caused tremendous loss of life. Those surviving had their lives altered permanently and for the worse.

Get some perspective. This is so much bigger than football.

And how did playing this game in NY make any difference on those who suffered? Most of those affected (from LA) have said they would have preferred the game being in LA. Having it in NY was about making $$$ - and I find it hard to believe that it couldn't have been played anywhere else in the US. And, If they're were so set on a big $$ $market, why not play it Los Angeles?

This could have a big effect on the NFC East this year.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

They could of easily had it anywhere else. Thats a fact.

[juck]

This may be the deciding factor at the end of the season.

[Vertigo_17]

It could also have been rescheduled.

[fortdick]

Dude -- this extra home game was the result of a terrible disaster that caused tremendous loss of life. Those surviving had their lives altered permanently and for the worse.

Get some perspective. This is so much bigger than football.

It was a terrible shame. . . but bigger than football? ;)

[JDSmith]

Dude -- this extra home game was the result of a terrible disaster that caused tremendous loss of life. Those surviving had their lives altered permanently and for the worse.

Get some perspective. This is so much bigger than football.

That argument is beyond weak. If you want to use that argument then you'd have to argue that there should have been no games at all. And then you'd have to cancel all sports, since there are always tragedies that are clearly much more important for anyone with perspective. So now I guess your Sundays will be freed up to do charity work around the world.

Just because there was a tragedy has nothing to do with the mishandling of the entire event by the NFL, nor does it have any bearing on the competetive advantage that the Giants enjoyed because of the game being played in their stadium. Even the Saints players and coaches were disgusted that the game was in NY. Were they lacking your sense of perspective?

[Portland Fanatic]

Not to mention that the HOME record for NFC east is 13-1...our loss to Skins...should be 14-0. That said the Saints game is in the win column...with the way Gints play on the road...this could have been a loss!

[JDSmith]

Overall on the season the home team has won 66% of the time. Home field advantage is HUGE in today's NFL. Basically, if you want to look smart you just have to pick the home team every week (obviously this is just wins and losses, not point spreads), and tweak it with a few of the more obvious teams who really suck or are really good no matter where they play.

[Vertigo_17]

Where? you think the NFL didn't try to work that out? Here's bulletin - there are not a ton of unused venues capable of taking on an event of that magnitude on short notice.

Stop complaining -- the Giants beat NO any day of the week, any location.

I wouldn't just blindly assume that the Giants beat any team, any week, at any location. I think we've see plenty of upsets this season.

Bottom line, this is an unfair advantage to the NYG.

[AbeBeta]

That argument is beyond weak. If you want to use that argument then you'd have to argue that there should have been no games at all. And then you'd have to cancel all sports, since there are always tragedies that are clearly much more important for anyone with perspective. So now I guess your Sundays will be freed up to do charity work around the world.

Just because there was a tragedy has nothing to do with the mishandling of the entire event by the NFL, nor does it have any bearing on the competetive advantage that the Giants enjoyed because of the game being played in their stadium. Even the Saints players and coaches were disgusted that the game was in NY. Were they lacking your sense of perspective?

How does playing a game on National TV with proceeds going to hurricane relief constitute mishandling the situation? The league did something that made a considerable amount of $$ for charity.

[juck]

its ok they will get theres.The giants arent all that.

[The30YardSlant]

Does anyone here really believe NO would have beaten NY, anywhere? Get off your soapbox...

[AbeBeta]

They could of easily had it anywhere else. Thats a fact.

MBIV -- Generally facts come with some form of support. Ya got any?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Getting the WC might actually be beneficial in the long run seeing as wed play the NFC North winner if we were the 5 seed/best wildcard team.

[JDSmith]

How does playing a game on National TV with proceeds going to hurricane relief constitute mishandling the situation? The league did something that made a considerable amount of $$ for charity.

They could have done that anywhere. They didn't even sell out Giants stadium, which was supposedly their argument for having the game there. They could have had it in San Antonio or anyplace else and still televised it. There was simply no reason to give the Giants an extra home game, and the relief effort has no bearing on that decision.

[JDSmith]

Does anyone here really believe NO would have beaten NY, anywhere? Get off your soapbox...

66% on the season - home team record in the entire NFL with over 110 games played this year. I'd say the odds are MUCH better that the Saints would have won that game away from Giants stadium, and the numbers back that up.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

How about the fact that about 30 other stadiums were vacant at the time

They made a knee jerk decision 2 weeks before the game, and it was the wrong one, its a fact, only Giants fans disagree.

Now, if they would of won the game or not if it was in LA,SA, or w/e well never know but it was the wrong decision to have the game in New Jersey, simple as that, I really dont see how anyone could see otherwise

[AbeBeta]

How about the fact that about 30 other stadiums were vacant at the time

They made a knee jerk decision 2 weeks before the game, and it was the wrong one, its a fact, only Giants fans disagree.

Now, if they would of won the game or not if it was in LA,SA, or w/e well never know but it was the wrong decision to have the game in New Jersey, simple as that, I really dont see how anyone could see otherwise

Vacant does not mean available. You sure there was nothing planned at all those locations? Where else would you have the fan base to fill the seats? Remember, proceeds went to charity -- you don't want to play that game somewhere that the fans aren't going to care.

[Jammer]

How does playing a game on National TV with proceeds going to hurricane relief constitute mishandling the situation? The league did something that made a considerable amount of $$ for charity.
The Saints were very upset having to go to New York for their home game. They knew it was a sham. The NFL had time to move it to a different stadium so there really was a visiting team.

[Padd]

Plus, there was precedent. The wildfires outside SD a few years ago which forced a Charger game location change....not to Miami, who was the opponent, but to Sun Devil Stadium. A neutral site. And if I remember correctly, they sold it out.

[Vertigo_17]

Does anyone here really believe NO would have beaten NY, anywhere? Get off your soapbox...

Anything can happen...the game still has to be played, regardless of what the "experts" predict.

[JDSmith]

Vacant does not mean available. You sure there was nothing planned at all those locations? Where else would you have the fan base to fill the seats? Remember, proceeds went to charity -- you don't want to play that game somewhere that the fans aren't going to care.

I'm pretty sure that San Antonio made a public offer before they decided to have it in Giants Stadium. And there were about 25,000 unsold seats 2 days before the game - not sure what the final numbers were. I don't know if they ever released them - the whole blackout discussion 2 days before the game was embarrassing enough.

Anyone who believes the game should have been held in Giants stadium has got to be a Giants fan. I live in NJ and even here there were Giants fans surprised (pleasantly) that they'd have the game here - but they wouldn't complain about it because they were happy to get an edge.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

They didnt even sell out in NJ.

Im pretty sure the game they played at SA, was a bigger draw.

And the NFL, a multi billion dollar business, could have matched w/e they thought the estimation would of been for a sell out. You would think they'd at least make a half-*** attempt to give the Saints and their fans a break

[Vertigo_17]

Vacant does not mean available. You sure there was nothing planned at all those locations? Where else would you have the fan base to fill the seats? Remember, proceeds went to charity -- you don't want to play that game somewhere that the fans aren't going to care.

blah blah blah

[Danny White]

Does anyone here really believe NO would have beaten NY, anywhere? Get off your soapbox...
How many road games has Eli Manning won in his career... oh yeah, that's right, ZERO.

Saints were coming of a big week one win AT Carolina... I think they take the Giants on a neutral/home field.

That game was a farce.

[JDSmith]

How many road games has Eli Manning won in his career... oh yeah, that's right, ZERO.

Saints were coming of a big week one win AT Carolina... I think they take the Giants on a neutral/home field.

That game was a farce.

Sorry, you are wrong. Eli has won one road game... of course it was AT Giants stadium. But they did put the Saints name and emblem on the field, so that's the same thing as winning on the road. At least according to the NFL.:rolleyes:

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Itd be interesting to see ELi's QB rating @ home and away...anyone?

[AbeBeta]

Plus, there was precedent. The wildfires outside SD a few years ago which forced a Charger game location change....not to Miami, who was the opponent, but to Sun Devil Stadium. A neutral site. And if I remember correctly, they sold it out.

No, they gave tickets away. That's how it filled up.

[JDSmith]

Itd be interesting to see ELi's QB rating @ home and away...anyone?

This year it's probably pretty good on the road. He had a high rating when his team got shellacked by San Diego. Of course SD was pretty comfortable sitting on their 20 pt lead, and that might have made it a tiny bit easier for him to complete passes in garbage time (the second half, basically).

[SuspectCorner]

I seriously think this is a load of crap.First ,home games mean everything this day and age.Second,Have u guys noticed they havent won away yet?This may matter a lot and the end of the season,i personally think manning chokes away from home.

the NFL scrod the pooch on that one. but it's spilt milk now. the Cowboys need to take care of their own business. this shouldn't be an issue - or an excuse.

[percyhoward]

Plus, there was precedent. The wildfires outside SD a few years ago which forced a Charger game location change....not to Miami, who was the opponent, but to Sun Devil Stadium. A neutral site. And if I remember correctly, they sold it out.
And they did it on two days' notice.

I'm offically a 49er fan this week.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Does anyone here really believe NO would have beaten NY, anywhere? Get off your soapbox...

Given Eli Manning has never won a game not played at Giants' Stadium, there is a pretty good likelihood they would have lost to the Saints had the game been played other than East Rutherford, New Jersey.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I know this much, there is no way Dallas would have gotten an extra home game.

[The30YardSlant]

I know this much, there is no way Dallas would have gotten an extra home game.

Obviously, because of the blatant media bias against us, right?

Give me a break..... :rolleyes:

You people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Obviously, because of the blatant media bias against us, right?

Give me a break..... :rolleyes:

You people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

We'll see if you are singing the same tune if by chance we finish one game behind the Giants because they had nine home games to our eight. It is a competitive advantage, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

[The30YardSlant]

We'll see if you are singing the same tune if by chance we finish one game behind the Giants because they had nine home games to our eight. It is a competitive advantage, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

If the Giants finish one game ahead of us, it will not be because they got an extra home game against a bottom feeder of the NFC :rolleyes:

Me thinks we are looking for an excuse in case they do, in fact, finish ahead of us.

And this perceived "media bias" against Dallas is just that, perception. Every team thinks the media hates THEIR team, go to the NY site, go to Extremeskins, etc. and they all claim there is a media bias against them. It's a fantasy created so fans have something to blame their lack of national respect on.

I guess what I'm trying to say is.....


























GET OVER IT!!!

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Ok, say for example, our records are basically mirrors or each other, remember we play the same schedule as the Giants except for the two extra conference games. So say in the 14 same games, our record is identical, then we each win our extra home game against an NFC opponent (they against Vikings and we against Detroit). It then comes down to the game against the NFC South. We have to go to Carolina and they got to play New Orleans at home. We lose on the road and they won their extra game at home.

Don't you think that gives them an advantage? If not, why not?

As an aside, you can stop with the rolling eyes emoticon.

[The30YardSlant]

Ok, say for example, our records are basically mirrors or each other, remember we play the same schedule as the Giants except for the two extra conference games. So say in the 14 same games, our record is identical, then we each win our extra home game against an NFC opponent (they against Vikings and we against Detroit). It then comes down to the game against the NFC South. We have to go to Carolina and they got to play New Orleans at home. We lose on the road and they won their extra game at home.

Don't you think that gives them an advantage? If not, why not?

As an aside, you can stop with the rolling eyes emoticon.

1: The odds are heavily against such an occurence

2: No, it doesnt give them the advantage, because Carolina would have a VERY good chance to beat us at Texas Stadium, while NY and NO could play 10 times on any field and NY would win 9 of them.

Carolina >>>>>> New Orleans

And why, does it offend your sensative, excuse seeking nature? :rolleyes:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

1: The odds are heavily against such an occurence

2: No, it doesnt give them the advantage, because Carolina would have a VERY good chance to beat us at Texas Stadium, while NY and NO could play 10 times on any field and NY would win 9 of them.

Carolina >>>>>> New Orleans

And why, does it offend your sensative, excuse seeking nature? :rolleyes:

There are none so blind as those who will not see. If you think it is ok for one team to play nine home games and the rest eight, that is up to you. You are clearly wrong and just won't admit it.

You won't even consider the fact that when the game was played, New Orleans was not playing badly or that Manning has never won outside Giants' Stadium. All you do is roll your eyes and say, it makes no difference. You are wrong, pure and simple.

[Givincer]

Dude -- this extra home game was the result of a terrible disaster that caused tremendous loss of life. Those surviving had their lives altered permanently and for the worse.

Get some perspective. This is so much bigger than football.

So you honestly believe this game couldn't have been hosted ANYWHERE else in the country but NY? Very highly unlikely this was done solely to raise money for the disaster, it definitely could have been done any other place in the country just as effectively. Everybody understands there was a tragedy, but that does not mean you have to give the Giants an extra home game. That game could have been held anywhere's and raised just as much money if it were on national television.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Julius, haven't you heard, the Giants getting an extra game is irrelevant anyway ;)

BTW, do you like the way you have been portrayed on the HBO series Rome? I don't like the actor playing Caesar, a little bland for me. My wife asked me why I like the show since it is nothing but sex and violence. I said, that's good enough for me, especially the nice lesbian scenes between Caesar's ex lover and Caesar's niece.

[The30YardSlant]

There are none so blind as those who will not see. If you think it is ok for one team to play nine home games and the rest eight, that is up to you. You are clearly wrong and just won't admit it.

You won't even consider the fact that when the game was played, New Orleans was not playing badly or that Manning has never won outside Giants' Stadium. All you do is roll your eyes and say, it makes no difference. You are wrong, pure and simple.

What is New Orleans "home" record? Who have they lost to at "home"? Exactly, average to bad teams have beaten them at "home". If Miami could beat them, I'm fairly certain a very good New York team would have made short work of them.

If you want to think I'm wrong, that's fine with me, but I'm also a realist. If you want to play 3rd grader and whine about it not being fair, that's your business, but you know as well as I do the odds are against New Orleans beating anyone, anywhere. As the saying goes, life isnt fair, and there's nothing you can do about it, so please excuse me for not shedding a tear.

"I'm wrong, pure and simple." Big statement for someone who thinks New Orleans can compete with, right now, one of the 2 best teams in the conference. :rolleyes:

[The30YardSlant]

Another thing, to a degree, home field advantage is overrated in the NFL. It college, it is everything, as CF is fueled on the emotion of 18-21 year olds who arent composed mentally.

A good NFL team should be able to to compose themselves and play through it, especially since New Orleans "home games" are hardly intimidating these days.

[JDSmith]

Another thing, to a degree, home field advantage is overrated in the NFL. It college, it is everything, as CF is fueled on the emotion of 18-21 year olds who arent composed mentally.

A good NFL team should be able to to compose themselves and play through it, especially since New Orleans "home games" are hardly intimidating these days.

80 wins and 38 losses say home field advantage isn't overrated. Because that's the record of home teams on the season.

[silverbear]

Dude -- this extra home game was the result of a terrible disaster that caused tremendous loss of life. Those surviving had their lives altered permanently and for the worse.

Get some perspective. This is so much bigger than football.

Doesn't mean the league had to give the Giants an extra home game... maybe you're the one who needs some perspective-- or can you offer us some RATIONAL reasons for giving them such a competitive advantage??

That game could have just as easily been played in San Antonio, rather than in New York...

And none of that has ANYTHING to do with the "terrible disaster that caused tremendous loss of life", so do us all a favor and spare us your self-righteous pontification...

[silverbear]

How does playing a game on National TV with proceeds going to hurricane relief constitute mishandling the situation? The league did something that made a considerable amount of $$ for charity.

Oh, the game couldn't have been on national TV, with proceeds going to hurricane relief, if it wasn't played in New York City?? Gee whiz, that's REALLY strange, since the COWBOYS game was on national TV, and they made a considerable amount of $$ for charity...

Your arguments get stupider and stupider...

[The30YardSlant]

80 wins and 38 losses say home field advantage isn't overrated. Because that's the record of home teams on the season.

The better team wins more often than the home team in the NFL. Also, better teams usually have better home field advantages, so while good teams win at home alot, they also win on the road.

[JDSmith]

The better team wins more often than the home team in the NFL. Also, better teams usually have better home field advantages, so while good teams win at home alot, they also win on the road.

So good teams have had twice as many home games thus far in the season? How do you define the 'better team' since the home team is winning twice as often as losing? Most teams aren't simply 'better' or 'worse' - there is this nifty thing called parity that the NFL tries hard to promote. There simply isn't much difference between teams at this point most of the time. There are a few good teams, a few bad teams, and then there is a massive collection of teams that could go either way on any given weekend. And that's where home field advantage comes in. The Saints are not so far below the Giants that they couldn't compete at home against them, just like the Niners weren't so far below us that they couldn't compete. They didn't win, but had that game been played in Dallas you can bet it wouldn't have been close.

[silverbear]

Vacant does not mean available. You sure there was nothing planned at all those locations?

Are you sure there WEREN'T any other venues available?? To quote you earlier in this thread, "Generally facts come with some form of support. Ya got any?"

Strange how you demand factual backup of others, yet are willing to resort to "you sure there was nothing planned at all those locations"?? Well, if you had been paying attention at the time, there WERE alternative sites considered...

Where else would you have the fan base to fill the seats? Remember, proceeds went to charity -- you don't want to play that game somewhere that the fans aren't going to care.

Uhhh, they didn't fill up the Meadowlands, moron... it had over 8000 empty seats... yeah, I think there are more than a few NEUTRAL sites, or even sites in proximity to the Saints' home base, that could have put 68,000 fans in the seats for that game...

No matter how much you argue otherwise, the NFL screwed the Saints, and stuck it to the rest of the NFC East as well, by giving the Giants a 9th home game this year...

[silverbear]

Another thing, to a degree, home field advantage is overrated in the NFL.

Yup, it's official-- you're clueless...

Check out the W-L percentage for home teams in the NFL this season, then tell us all how the home field advantage is "overrated"...

Then, ponder that Eli Manning has yet to win a game outside of the friendly confines of the Meadowland, and tell us all how it wouldn't have made any difference at all if they had played the Saints on the road, or in their own park... make sure to ignore how the Saints had beaten the Panthers the week before...

[The30YardSlant]

So good teams have had twice as many home games thus far in the season? How do you define the 'better team' since the home team is winning twice as often as losing? Most teams aren't simply 'better' or 'worse' - there is this nifty thing called parity that the NFL tries hard to promote. There simply isn't much difference between teams at this point most of the time. There are a few good teams, a few bad teams, and then there is a massive collection of teams that could go either way on any given weekend. And that's where home field advantage comes in. The Saints are not so far below the Giants that they couldn't compete at home against them, just like the Niners weren't so far below us that they couldn't compete. They didn't win, but had that game been played in Dallas you can bet it wouldn't have been close.

Dallas: 3-1 at home

New York: 5-0 at home

Seattle: 4-0 at home

Pittsburgh: 2-2 at home

Denver: 5-0 at home

Indy: 3-0 at home

Carolina: 3-1 at home

Atlanta: 3-1 at home

Cincy: 3-1 at home

New England: 2-1 at home

Now, these are, IMO, the 10 best teams in football. Your opinion might vary, but I think you would agree with at least 7-8 if not more of the choices. Now, these teams are 33-7 at home, so I think its clear that good teams have good home field advantages. I agree that the better the team, usually the better home field advantage.

Now, the worst team's records at home:

San Francisco: 2-2 at home

New Orleans: 1-2 at "home"

Green Bay: 1-2 at home

Houston: 1-3

Cleveland: 1-2 at home

Baltimore: 2-1 at home

Minnesota: 2-1 at home

Arizona: 2-2 at home

Tennessee: 1-3 at home

New York Jets: 2-2 at home

Again, you may disagree with a few, but the point is gotton. These 10 teams are 13-20 at home. So, I think it's clear that good teams have good home field advantage because they are better, but also that if you arent a good team, home field means very little.

[silverbear]

The better team wins more often than the home team in the NFL. Also, better teams usually have better home field advantages, so while good teams win at home alot, they also win on the road.

Then the Giants must not qualify as a "better team", since they're 5-0 at home, 0-2 on the road...

But NOOOOOOOO, getting an extra home game was no advantage at ALL to a team that's unbeaten at home, winless on the road...

[The30YardSlant]

Yup, it's official-- you're clueless...

Check out the W-L percentage for home teams in the NFL this season, then tell us all how the home field advantage is "overrated"...

Then, ponder that Eli Manning has yet to win a game outside of the friendly confines of the Meadowland, and tell us all how it wouldn't have made any difference at all if they had played the Saints on the road, or in their own park... make sure to ignore how the Saints had beaten the Panthers the week before...

If home field meant so much, then over a third of the teams in the NFL wouldnt have losing records at home, and over half be .500 or worse.

And the Saints beat the Panthers in part because of one of the biggest emotional surges in NFL history. I know I said emotion doesnt play as big a role in the NFL, but obviouslt after what NO went through, they had incentive.

[The30YardSlant]

Then the Giants must not qualify as a "better team", since they're 5-0 at home, 0-2 on the road...

But NOOOOOOOO, getting an extra home game was no advantage at ALL to a team that's unbeaten at home, winless on the road...

The two teams they've lost to on the road:

Dallas
San Diego

Dallas is a consensus top 5-6 team at SD has played as good as anyone in the AFC since beating NY. Both are playoff bound teams. New York isnt losing to the likes of New Orleans on the road.... :rolleyes:

Facts: Only applicable when they dont prove how clueless you really are

[Scotman]

HH, are you seriously arguing that homefield does not have an advantage for ANY team? I understand that it was unlikely for NO to beat NY. But their odds were surely better outside Giant Stadium.

Also, your statistical analysis of the "top 10" and the "bottom 10" to support your argument is terribly flawed. You've neglected the middle third. You've neglected the games played away. You've neglected the overall W/L record of every team.

Home field supplies a statistically significant and relevant advantage. NY received this advantage for one more game than anyone else.

It shouldn't matter in the end. We need to take care of our own business to ensure that it doesn't. But when we win the division it will not justify a poor call on the part of the NFL. I bet if it ever comes up again, they'll do it differently.

[AbeBeta]

Uhhh, they didn't fill up the Meadowlands, moron... it had over 8000 empty seats... yeah, I think there are more than a few NEUTRAL sites, or even sites in proximity to the Saints' home base, that could have put 68,000 fans in the seats for that game...



A. The empty seats likely would have been much more severe somewhere else -- where neither team had fans. The last game that got moved resulted in tickets being GIVEN away.

B. You can't just drop a MNF game in any location. There is a considerable amount of infrastructure necessary to accomodate that crew to make for a decent TV product. Perhaps you don't understand the technology involved. Not every stadium has it - maybe though, since I'm the moron you need to explain that to me as well.

Did other options exist? Yes. Would they have worked out as well? Hmm, your analysis vs. the NFL's. Informed vs. self-proclaimed loose cannon. Ignorant fans assume that the league is biased against their team. Are you one of those ignorant fans?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Dallas is a consensus top 5-6 team

On here maybe. Nationally they are in the 10-12 range

And the Saints beat the Panthers in part because of one of the biggest emotional surges in NFL history

Andt that emotion is all gone the next week? Even though they saw the positive reactions of their fans after the win and the news overall pertaining to the hurricane was still bad

[silverbear]

And the Saints beat the Panthers in part because of one of the biggest emotional surges in NFL history. I know I said emotion doesnt play as big a role in the NFL, but obviouslt after what NO went through, they had incentive.

And you don't think that in a more hospitable "home" environment, the Saints could have built on that "emotional surge"??

Nobody's guaranteeing that the Saints would have won at a neutral site, or even if the game had been able to be played in the Superdome... what we ARE saying, what common sense tells us, is that it would have been somewhat tougher for the Giants than getting an extra home game was...

No matter how you try to spin it, giving the Giants a 9th home game DID give them a competitive advantage this year... period...

[silverbear]

The two teams they've lost to on the road:

Dallas
San Diego

Dallas is a consensus top 5-6 team at SD has played as good as anyone in the AFC since beating NY. Both are playoff bound teams. New York isnt losing to the likes of New Orleans on the road.... :rolleyes:

Facts: Only applicable when they dont prove how clueless you really are

The facts are, the Giants have yet to win a game on the road, and have yet to lose at home... spin that however you like, they are simply not as good on the road as they are at home...

Oh, and it's kinda comical, watching you insist that the Chargers are a "playoff bound team"... at this point, they are a .500 team, and are seeded 8th in the AFC... they're hardly a lock to make the playoffs, in fact if they hope to make the playoffs they're gonna have to play better than they have to this point... and since beating the Giants, they have gone 3-2, which is hardly "played as good as anybody in the AFC" over those 5 games...

Combine that with your breezy assessment of the Cowboys as "a consensus top 5-6 team", and it's quite clear that your critique is utterly lacking in facts...

[silverbear]

A. The empty seats likely would have been much more severe somewhere else -- where neither team had fans. The last game that got moved resulted in tickets being GIVEN away.

LOL... YOU were the one who talked about "Where else would you have the fan base to fill the seats?"

YOU made an issue of "filling the seats", then when it was noted that the over 8000 fans came dressed as empty seats, you try to change the argument... well, tapdance all you want, the point remains they DIDN'T fill the seats, so that argument doesn't hold water...

Fact is, both San Antonio and Baton Rouge averaged over 60,000 fans per game in the Saints' "other" home games...

B. You can't just drop a MNF game in any location.

Oh, give me a break... they "drop" MNF games in virtually every stadium in the country over the course of a few years... it would have posed San Antonio or Baton Rouge no problems at all to provide the necessary infrastructure...

Did other options exist? Yes. Would they have worked out as well? Hmm, your analysis vs. the NFL's.

And of course, the NFL has ALWAYS made the right decision... like when they went ahead and held games the Sunday after JFK was assassinated...

It is rapidly becoming clear that you don't HAVE an argument, by all the weak crap you keep flinging up against the wall, hoping SOME of it will stick...

Sorry, nothing's stuck so far... the NFL's giving the Giants another home game this season was unfair to the rest of the league...

I need no further proof of that than the Saints' reaction to being forced to play their "home" game in the Meadowlands-- THEY certainly thought they were being screwed...

They were right, and you're wrong...

[BigDFan5]

Where? you think the NFL didn't try to work that out? Here's bulletin - there are not a ton of unused venues capable of taking on an event of that magnitude on short notice.

Stop complaining -- the Giants beat NO any day of the week, any location.


Actually San Antonio offered their venue but was told no thanks

[BigDFan5]

I'm pretty sure that San Antonio made a public offer before they decided to have it in Giants Stadium. And there were about 25,000 unsold seats 2 days before the game - not sure what the final numbers were. I don't know if they ever released them - the whole blackout discussion 2 days before the game was embarrassing enough.

Anyone who believes the game should have been held in Giants stadium has got to be a Giants fan. I live in NJ and even here there were Giants fans surprised (pleasantly) that they'd have the game here - but they wouldn't complain about it because they were happy to get an edge.


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[Billy Bullocks]

They will get their first road win this Sunday in Frisco.

SF played their Super Bowl last week against Tampa.

Either way, with NYG or SF losing, we'll be happy.

If this was 1992 maybe

[Tobal]

It was stupid, but it wasn't done with the thought that it was giving an advantage. If we win they games we should it will be a moot point.

[Jarv]

All I know is that BP and the Saints themselves hated it.

It wasn't the right thing to do. If you watched the begining of the game, before the Cowboys game started, you would have seen and heard the crowd rooting for their HOME team...The Giants.

Look, we are Cowboys fans and we don't like the extra edge given to the Giants...But on another level, take it from the Saints point of view...They were pissed.

If it was played at a nuetral or even better...LA or SA location, they probably would have had an edge from the 12th man. The crowd. Of course people in the NJ region are Giants fans and root for their team. But the NFL wanted a showcase and actually hurt fans and players from NO by putting it in NY, were the crowd was against them.

Okay, a tornado rip through Texas stadium. So the NFL feels bad for the Cowboys and takes one of our HOME games against NY and plays it in Giants stadium....instead of the Cotton bowl or another close by location...How would you feel. You would feel how the Saints and there fans felt.

It was just wrong.

[TruBlueCowboy]

There should be an asterisk next to the New York Giants standings if they win the NFC East by one game. :mad: