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InmanRoshi
11-04-2005, 11:30 AM
Since its bye week, so draft nerds like myself can look ahead and think about the draft ... like we can help ourselves.

My dream Cowboys draft at this point...

Round 1: DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil, Louisville ... 20 sacks this season. The next Terrel Suggs. The missing piece to a dominant Cowboys 3-4 defense.

Round 2: OT Andrew Whitworth, LSU ... would have been a 1st round pick last year, but a the deepest OT class in recent memory combined with his likely inability to play left tackle drops him to Round 2.

Round 3: QB Omar Jacobs ... He's had a injury filled year which has dropped his stock. Maybe the one time 1st round pick drops to the 3rd round.

Round 4: (Traded to Philly in the Canty deal)

Round 5: S DWayne Slay, Texas Tech ... 6'4" 215 lbs. Poor man's Sean Taylor http://media.putfile.com/DwayneSlay Uhmm .. .yeah.


Round 6, pick 1 (pick obtained by the Jets for Pete Hunter): WR Michael Robinson, Penn State ... raw, converted scrambling QB who has good size/speed combination, and good run after the catch ability.

Round 6, pick 2 (obatined from the Eagles in the Canty deal): C Pat Ross Boston College ... Cowboys need a replacement for Gurode who walks in free agency. Can't have enough Boston College offensive linemen.

Round 6, pick 3 (Cowboys pick) .. traded to KC in the Fujita trade.

Round 7 .. K Jon Scrifes SW Missouri .. best K in a weak draft class for the position. Also kickoffs and punts.

AbeBeta
11-04-2005, 11:35 AM
I think our pick for Hunter is in 2007.

junk
11-04-2005, 11:37 AM
Dumervil is a handful. I don't know how he projects to the NFL, but you can't argue the production.

I really like Bobby Carpenter of Ohio State.

Whitworth in 2 would be a solid pick.

AmericasTeam31
11-04-2005, 11:37 AM
I don't think Robinson is going to be around in the 6th round. Living in PA I get to see alot of him, and he's going to be good as a WR/RB in the NFL. He's very strong as well, he runs at least one defender over in every game.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 11:42 AM
My dream picks:
1) Santonio Holmes - reminds me a lot of Glenn, I really have been impressed by him this year. makes huges plays and would be excellent alongside Crayton.
2) OT - maybe whitworth, Colledge from BC a couple other guys might be here, extremely deep OT this year.
3) FS - charlie peprah would be a great choice for FS, and would compete with Beriault for the starting job next year.
the rest we need a kicker, center/guard depth.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 11:44 AM
Round 3: QB Omar Easy ... He's had a injury filled year which has dropped his stock. Maybe the one time 1st round pick drops to the 3rd round.

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Im gonna guess you mean Omar Jacobs and if we got him in the 3rd i'd be doing backflips. 41/4 td/int ratio. big and strong and is athletic. Seems like a good decision maker and has all the measurables, just needs a bit of mechanics work. I know im gonna be minority, but I wouldnt even mind taking this guy in the second round if we had to. He can sit behind Bledsoe and learn and then be ready to play when he needs to. He reminds me a bit of Leftwich just a little less polished but more athletic.

Lifetimeboyzfan
11-04-2005, 11:46 AM
I would love to see us get Slay! He is a stud at safety. I could not imagine he and Roy lining up at safety together. With the coverage skills of our corners and those two monsters at safety...

Yakuza Rich
11-04-2005, 11:47 AM
Round 1: DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil, Louisville ... 20 sacks this season. The next Terrel Suggs. The missing piece to a dominant Cowboys 3-4 defense.

Not sure we really need him and he’ll likely be gone anyway. Ware should get better and Fujita should get better as well as he gets more reps. Kalen Thornton will be back and with the way Shanle is playing, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them move Burnett to LOLB to compete. Plus, Singleton will be around to be a nice backup.


Round 2: OT Andrew Whitworth, LSU ... would have been a 1st round pick last year, but a the deepest OT class in recent memory combined with his likely inability to play left tackle drops him to Round 2.

I think O-Line is an issue, but OT becomes less of one if Pettiti is decent throughout the rest of the year and Tucker continues to play well. I’m more concerned about the guards because of the age of Allen and Rivera, plus I’m not satisfied with center. I’d prefer them to go after a guy who has played center and guard in college here.


Round 3: QB Omar Easy ... He's had a injury filled year which has dropped his stock. Maybe the one time 1st round pick drops to the 3rd round.

I think you meant Omar Jacobs. Personally, I’ve been thoroughly unimpressed with Jacobs. His arm isn’t as good as advertised, weird throwing motion, and doesn’t throw the deep ball accurately. He’s also coming out of a system that appears more and more gimmicky each week. I doubt Charlie Whitehurst will be available in round 3, but if he is and Dallas takes him, I’d do a backflip.


Round 5: S DWayne Slay, Texas Tech ... 6'4" 215 lbs. Poor man's Sean Taylor http://media.putfile.com/DwayneSlay Uhmm .. .yeah.

I’d like a true cover free safety as they really don’t have that. Sure, Pile is playing well but we only have 1 INT by our safeties at this point.


Round 6, pick 1 (pick obtained by the Jets for Pete Hunter): WR Michael Robinson, Penn State ... raw, converted scrambling QB who has good size/speed combination, and good run after the catch ability.

I don’t have a problem with him as a pick this late per say. But, I think they need a WR who is a good return guy in round 2. Have to build up for the future with Glenn and Keyshawn getting long in the tooth.


Round 6, pick 2 (obatined from the Eagles in the Canty deal): C Pat Ross Boston College ... Cowboys need a replacement for Gurode who walks in free agency. Can't have enough Boston College offensive linemen.

Yeah, at this point I’m thinking more O-Line help.


Round 7 .. K Jon Scrifes SW Missouri .. best K in a weak draft class for the position. Also kickoffs and punts.

Is he related to Mike Scifres? If so, that’s at least some good blood lines. If Dallas can just get a kicker who hits 80% of his field goals and about 65% from 40-49 yards, I’d be happy.

I think they also need to look at CB with Aaron Glenn being 33 years old and Jacques Reeves having yet to prove himself.


Rich……..

JohnsKey19
11-04-2005, 11:49 AM
As long as we get a speedy WR and an OL on the first day, I'll be happy. I think those are our biggest needs.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 11:49 AM
I personally think OLB is a nonissue in the draft. maybe depth.

ABQCOWBOY
11-04-2005, 12:17 PM
Here is a quick and dirty I posted some time back on who I would like to see us draft.

Haloti Ngata DT
Mike Huff FS
Manny Lawson OLB
Will Allen OG
Hank Baskett WR
Antonio Thomas CB
Ryan Cook C/OT

Portland Fanatic
11-04-2005, 12:26 PM
I hope rumors are true about locking up Fugita...no need to get 1st rd OLB with that IMO...

~ I think a first round LT is in order...we must secure oline and assure very strong swing OT. (It's possible Columbo may work out, but if not we have to draft a good OT)
~ FS...Gotta secure FS...Pile as back up will be a nice two deep position.
~ A young NT...if either Glover or Fergi went down...what do we have? Pepper??? More of a DE right?
~ OG...gotta get some promising guards to replace LA when he's done...

I don't think we can afford to land another oline FA...cost to much. We have to get a minimum of one potential starter on oline. FS or NT could be had via FA, but I think we look draft.

Alexander
11-04-2005, 12:29 PM
Round 6, pick 1 (pick obtained by the Jets for Pete Hunter): WR Michael Robinson, Penn State ... raw, converted scrambling QB who has good size/speed combination, and good run after the catch ability

We do not get this choice until 2007. It would have been a fifth if Hunter stuck.

Nors
11-04-2005, 12:37 PM
Dontrell Moore - RB New Mexico in 3rd

Ngata

Carpenter - LB

ABQCOWBOY
11-04-2005, 12:39 PM
Dontrell Moore - RB New Mexico in 3rd

Ngata

Carpenter - LB


I think you would regreat taking Moore.

Portland Fanatic
11-04-2005, 12:42 PM
I think you would regreat taking Moore.

I would not be against a late second day RB, but at this point (first in many years)...I stay with the 3 we have....

Aikmaniac
11-04-2005, 12:46 PM
What happened to Ernest Shazor? Is he injured...no stats with the Cards...?

Nors
11-04-2005, 12:46 PM
ABQ - what do you see wrong with Moore? Seen him play?Your opinion appreciated

50cent
11-04-2005, 12:55 PM
Round 1 - Vince Young or Bradie Quinn (Need a young QB that can develop for a year or two that hasn't actually played baseball)

Round 2 - Jason Allen (Will drop due to injury, bu should be well by combine to show his skills)

Round 3 - Kai Parham (LB that can play inside or outside at UVA, BP will have inside knowledge of what he can do)

Off-season Pick ups - LeCharles Bentley -C
John Abraham

Dream draft -

Round 1 - Ahmad Brooks
Round 2 - Bradie Quinn

Portland Fanatic
11-04-2005, 12:57 PM
Round 1 - Vince Young or Bradie Quinn (Need a young QB that can develop for a year or two that hasn't actually played baseball)

Round 2 - Jason Allen (Will drop due to injury, bu should be well by combine to show his skills)

Round 3 - Kai Parham (LB that can play inside or outside at UVA, BP will have inside knowledge of what he can do)

Off-season Pick ups - LeCharles Bentley -C
John Abraham

Dream draft -

Round 1 - Ahmad Brooks
Round 2 - Bradie Quinn

I don't know why Quinn would come out this year...if he remotely puts up numbers next year like this year...he will have heisman and 1st pic....Cha ching..........

Nors
11-04-2005, 12:57 PM
I want this years Heath Miller!

Imagine having TWO Wittens!

50cent
11-04-2005, 01:04 PM
I want this years Heath Miller!

Imagine having TWO Wittens!I love Vernon Davis from Maryland. Kid is a freak that competes.

AbeBeta
11-04-2005, 01:19 PM
What happened to Ernest Shazor? Is he injured...no stats with the Cards...?

Wow -- Shazor -- folks were freaking around here when we didn't get him. Let's see -- too slow to play safety, too small to play LB, and the real kicker is he didn't like contact.

ABQCOWBOY
11-04-2005, 01:28 PM
Yes, I have had opportunity to watch Moore at length. He plays right here in Albuquerque and went to school in Roswell NM. Very product RB in HS and in College. He won a state championship while at Roswell in 2000. He lead the state in rushing his Jr. and Sr. season. Parade All-American and a 3 time All State selection. Decent Basketball player as well. He's a 4 time thousand yard rusher and I've watched him since he got to UNM. He's a red shirt Sr. now. He's had some injuries but the biggest thing about this kid is that he doesn't show up for big games and he fumbles the ball in pressure situations. I hate that about him. As an example, last week against Colorado St., he fumbled the ball on the CSU 40 yard line. That fumble allowed CSU to drive late and score the winning TD. Cost UNM a tie in the conference. A win would have allowed for 4-2 and a tie with CSU. Instead, 3-3 and 4-1 for CSU. You study his career and you see that he has down games against stiffer comp and he really makes mistakes at critical times. He just is not the kind of player that I think you can trust. He has talent, there is no question but I think he hurts you as well. Also, he doesn't have great speed.

Aikmaniac
11-04-2005, 01:35 PM
Wow -- Shazor -- folks were freaking around here when we didn't get him. Let's see -- too slow to play safety, too small to play LB, and the real kicker is he didn't like contact.


So I guess that means he's buried on the depth chart...?

utrunner07
11-04-2005, 01:51 PM
Round 1 - Vince Young or Bradie Quinn (Need a young QB that can develop for a year or two that hasn't actually played baseball)



I am a huge UT football fan but there is no way that I would want Young or any other running QB as the future QB of the Cowboys. There is too much uncertainty with them, running around a lot leaves them always hurting, and when was the last time a young/ vick type guy won the super bowl. On top of that Dallas looks like they are building the team around a pocket passer; lots of other reasons not to draft young but, those are the big ones

Bradie Quinn - I dont think there is any way he comes out this year, but maybe next year if everything is going wel at other positions, we trade up to get him, if romo or henson hasnt worked out (who knows about those guys).

I do agree though that in the next two years, we need to draft/find the QB of the future, 10 year future not 3-4.

jbsg02
11-04-2005, 01:53 PM
Slay is a HITTER

Letemburn
11-04-2005, 01:53 PM
Since its bye week, so draft nerds like myself can look ahead and think about the draft ... like we can help ourselves.

My dream Cowboys draft at this point...

Round 1: DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil, Louisville ... 20 sacks this season. The next Terrel Suggs. The missing piece to a dominant Cowboys 3-4 defense.




Love to have a Louisville player play for Dallas, but i dont know. Ive seen everygame of his. Even games that he rode the bench his freshman year when he was 4th string. Yes Dumervil was 4th string. Dumervil is very very small for a DE or for the NFL period. Dumervil has a lot of talent at the college level but i think his speed and moves, wont full some of the bigger OL in the NFL and wont be as big in the NFL. I say pass on him early 1st, near end of 1st snatch him up.

50cent
11-04-2005, 02:07 PM
I am a huge UT football fan but there is no way that I would want Young or any other running QB as the future QB of the Cowboys. There is too much uncertainty with them, running around a lot leaves them always hurting, and when was the last time a young/ vick type guy won the super bowl. On top of that Dallas looks like they are building the team around a pocket passer; lots of other reasons not to draft young but, those are the big ones

Bradie Quinn - I dont think there is any way he comes out this year, but maybe next year if everything is going wel at other positions, we trade up to get him, if romo or henson hasnt worked out (who knows about those guys).

I do agree though that in the next two years, we need to draft/find the QB of the future, 10 year future not 3-4.
The thing about Young this year is that Ive actually seen him try to stay in the pocket longer. I'm not an expert on UT, but the runs have been on designed plays for him to run. He really is trying to stay in the pocket on pass plays. I like his upside and his talent has really grown on me. As for Quinn, if the NFL commitee ensures him first round grade, he goes.

Reed
11-04-2005, 02:30 PM
syracuse usually produces good safteties. Ill take anthony smith, 5 int this year, very athletic, hits very hard, plays on a very bad syracuse team and gets no respect or recognition, i would love to get him. hes flying under the radar

Bizwah
11-04-2005, 02:33 PM
I believe Omar Jacobs is a Jr this year.

With his injury, I would think it would be logical for him to stay another year.

Alexander
11-04-2005, 02:34 PM
Love to have a Louisville player play for Dallas, but i dont know. Ive seen everygame of his. Even games that he rode the bench his freshman year when he was 4th string. Yes Dumervil was 4th string. Dumervil is very very small for a DE or for the NFL period. Dumervil has a lot of talent at the college level but i think his speed and moves, wont full some of the bigger OL in the NFL and wont be as big in the NFL. I say pass on him early 1st, near end of 1st snatch him up.

Sounds like a comparison to Demarcus Ware at this very time last season.

Letemburn
11-04-2005, 03:32 PM
I said full, lol meant fool. But no Dumervil is smaller.

silverbear
11-04-2005, 03:40 PM
Dumervil is a handful. I don't know how he projects to the NFL, but you can't argue the production.

Yup, Elvis is making quite a name for himself this year... however, he'd be playing the exact same position as Demarcus Ware, so is he really the best fit for this team's needs??

Portland Fanatic
11-04-2005, 03:50 PM
Yup, Elvis is making quite a name for himself this year... however, he'd be playing the exact same position as Demarcus Ware, so is he really the best fit for this team's needs??

Ware and Fugita are starters...so I don't see why we'd get a high draft pic for another OLB....jmo.

If Thornton is in the mix...then maybe we try and find a 5th round guy for depth.

ABQCOWBOY
11-04-2005, 03:54 PM
Ware and Fugita are starters...so I don't see why we'd get a high draft pic for another OLB....jmo.

If Thornton is in the mix...then maybe we try and find a 5th round guy for depth.

I suspect we will be going after another OLB. At this point, I think you say Singleton is gone next year. BP is on record, even today, as saying he would like to see more at LB. I would not be surprised at all to see us draft an OLB.

InmanRoshi
11-04-2005, 04:03 PM
I suspect we will be going after another OLB. At this point, I think you say Singleton is gone next year. BP is on record, even today, as saying he would like to see more at LB. I would not be surprised at all to see us draft an OLB.

Agreed. I look at the Patriots as the model of what Bill wants the organization to eventually mirror. Belichick had McGinnest and Vrabel when he went out and signed Rosie Colvin as a high dollar free agent from the Bears to be a pass rush specialist. I see Ware as the McGinnest. Fujita as the Vrabel. We still lack a Colvin.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 04:06 PM
Agreed. I look at the Patriots as the model of what Bill wants the organization to eventually mirror. Belichick had McGinnest and Vrabel when he went out and signed Rosie Colvin as a high dollar free agent from the Bears to be a pass rush specialist. I see Ware as the McGinnest. Fujita as the Vrabel. We still lack a Colvin.
I agree except I think BB copied BP originally, then BP is just doing what he always did.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 04:07 PM
I personally think we have zero chance of going LB again this year. We have depth and starters now. No LB really stands out as must have besides AJ and Greenway neither of which we have a chance at.

InmanRoshi
11-04-2005, 04:13 PM
I personally think we have zero chance of going LB again this year. We have depth and starters now. No LB really stands out as must have besides AJ and Greenway neither of which we have a chance at.

We have depth at OLB? Parcells said yesterday that he's bringing in OLB's to workout on Monday because we are so thin on the position. He's been calling around the league asking street vets how good their conditioning in. We have absolute NO depth right now.

The depth wont be better next year when we cut Singleton. Especially if Burnett is moved to the mack position in the offseason, which is probably his best position in this defense.

PuertoricanBoy
11-04-2005, 04:13 PM
My DREAM DRAFT
picks
1 round- Martin Nance 6'5 210
2 round- Manny Lawson -DE/OLB 6'6 245 This guy is absolutely a freak. :D
http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=012243
http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/423979.html

3 round- Justin Blaylock- G/T 6'4 330

The FS we can fix during the offseason :)

ABQCOWBOY
11-04-2005, 04:15 PM
I like this guy. Manny Lawson

http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profiles/mannylawsonprofile.htm

InmanRoshi
11-04-2005, 04:15 PM
I like Manny Lawson as well. Plus he's a special teams demon. Holds the NCAA record for most blocked punts. Parcells will eat that up.

ABQCOWBOY
11-04-2005, 04:18 PM
I like Manny Lawson as well. Plus he's a special teams demon. Holds the NCAA record for most blocked punts. Parcells will eat that up.


I agree Rosh.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 04:18 PM
We have depth at OLB? Parcells said yesterday that he's bringing in OLB's to workout on Monday because we are so thin on the position. He's been calling around the league asking street vets how good their conditioning in. We have absolute NO depth right now.

The depth wont be better next year when we cut Singleton. Especially if Burnett is moved to the mack position in the offseason, which is probably his best position in this defense.
didnt say olb, it says LB. we could use a backup OLB as I think Fujita will resign. then burnett move inside. we have more than enough starters, no way do we get an LB first round. if we start ware james burnett fujita, we could use a little help at olb, but definitely not high up, more like a 2nd day pick. then we have shanle and dat in the middle, i see no need to upgrade that. so yes i do consider that depth.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 04:20 PM
If we had a chance at lawson in 2nd i'd take him. but that isnt gonna happen imo, he will shoot up the draft after the combine like people always do, and be a first rd pick.

silverbear
11-04-2005, 04:20 PM
OK, think I'll try my hand at this (never can resist a good draft thread)... I like to offer a couple-three options for each pick, ranked in order of preference:

FIRST ROUND:

FS/CB Michael Huff, Texas... I'm figuring the Boys to be drafting later in the first round, so a lot of really nice talent was taken off my board with that assumption... Huff has CB speed but is a solid FS who can hit and cover...

OT Marcus McNeil, Auburn... he's just massive, and can move some too... maybe it's time for the Cowboys to throw a premium pick at the OL...

DT Rodrique Wright, Texas... more of a classic 4-3 DT, but so is Glover...

SECOND ROUND:

WR Martin Nance, Miami-Ohio... very tall, very fast, good hands, ultra-productive... some history of injury...

WR Todd Watkins, BYU... perhaps the fastest WR in the draft, has a lanky, angular build... his playing style reminds me of Mike Sherrard...

C Mike DeGory, Florida... I believe the Boys need to get bigger in the middle of the OL, and DeGory is a legit 315... he's also the best center in this draft...

THIRD ROUND:

FS/CB Jason Allen, Tennessee... originally graded a first round prospect, his hip injury might well push him down in the draft, allowing the Cowboys another chance at a Chris Canty-type gamble...

FB Matt Bernstein, Wisconsin... Parcells wants his fullbacks to be able to do more than just block, and this 260 pounder qualifies...

OLB Thomas Howard, UTEP... a 240 pounder with sub-4.4 second speed in the 40 and a reputation for big plays... can rush the passer or drop into coverage...

CB Chijioke Oyenegeche, Oklahoma... nice physical package, has the size and speed you want in a CB...

FIFTH ROUND:

C/OT Ryan Cook, New Mexico... terrific size, and the versatility to play in the middle or swing out to tackle...

OG/C Will Allen, Texas... a solid blocker who also offers a team versatility... has the tools to be a solid NFL backup, I think... can you tell I'm focusing heavily on guys who can play center this year??

FS Dwayne Slay, Texas Tech... I'm sold on his hitting ability, but can he cover??

SIXTH ROUND:

DT Kwakou Robinson, Virginia... a 325 pounder with a Parcells background (Al Groh is his head coach, and runs a very similar scheme)...

DE Lennard Patten, Grambling... has the size you want in a 3-4 DE, and has reportedly been clocked in as fast as 4.6 seconds...

QB Barrick Nealy, Texas State... puts up big numbers, albeit against lesser competition... the kind of late round gamble I like, could he be a poor man's Tony
Romo??

SEVENTH ROUND:

S Reed Doughty, Northern Colorado... a tackling machine, averaging over 15 a game this year...

OG Jose Garcia, UTEP... I like adding offensive linemen in the late rounds, part I...

OT William Winston, Texas... I like adding offensive linemen in the late rounds, part II...

OT Zac Tubbs, Arkansas... I like adding offensive linemen in the late rounds, part III... and Jerry likes his Razorbacks...

ABQCOWBOY
11-04-2005, 04:21 PM
didnt say olb, it says LB. we could use a backup OLB as I think Fujita will resign. then burnett move inside. we have more than enough starters, no way do we get an LB first round. if we start ware james burnett fujita, we could use a little help at olb, but definitely not high up, more like a 2nd day pick. then we have shanle and dat in the middle, i see no need to upgrade that. so yes i do consider that depth.

I don't agree. BP collects LBs like your Gramma collects Hummels. I think that if an OLB fell, Bill would snatch him up and be happy to have him.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 04:21 PM
I don't agree. BP collects LBs like your Gramma collects Hummels. I think that if an OLB fell, Bill would snatch him up and be happy to have him.
you mean in the first round?

ABQCOWBOY
11-04-2005, 04:27 PM
No. I don't believe Lawson will go in the 1st round. I don't think he has prototypical size to rate that way. I think he's a little bit raw yet. He isn't Ware but he is a nice athlete. I think he'll probably be a 3rd pick. Possibly later depending on his season this year.

InmanRoshi
11-04-2005, 04:28 PM
you mean in the first round?

If the value was there, definitely. The Cowboys shouldn't be in a position where they have to depend on their draft picks to start right away next year. We should have plenty of cap space in free agency to fill immediate holes. They should take value.

And just because they're trying to resign Fujita doesn't mean that he's going to be a 50 snap player.

junk
11-04-2005, 04:33 PM
If the value was there, definitely. The Cowboys shouldn't be in a position where they have to depend on their draft picks to start right away next year. We should have plenty of cap space in free agency to fill immediate holes.

And just because they're trying to resign Fujita doesn't mean that he's going to be a 50 snap player.

Agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of linebackers come in at various points in the draft. They usually can play specials as well.

Everyone seems sold on Fujita. I really liked the trade and I still do, but is a guy that couldn't beat out Singleton without a season ending injury really the answer? I hope I can answer yes at some point, but its a concern IMO. Plus he is a free agent and depth is paper thin.

Who wouldn't want a guy like Carpenter is my question? Pass rush ability (he lines up as a DE quite a bit), coverage ability, coach's son, ties to BP.

If LB is the value pick, take it and run. Finalize your front seven for the next 5-10 years.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 04:34 PM
I have no problem bringing in lb's just not in the first round. only way i see that happening is if aj or greenway fell to us. or if brooks came out(not too sure he even will) and slipped to us and Parcells liked him. other than that it can wait til later, fujita isnt gonna play 50 snaps, but he will get a lot, and doesnt need a first rd pick to help him start.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 04:35 PM
Agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of linebackers come in at various points in the draft. They usually can play specials as well.

Everyone seems sold on Fujita. I really liked the trade and I still do, but is a guy that couldn't beat out Singleton without a season ending injury really the answer? I hope I can answer yes at some point, but its a concern IMO. Plus he is a free agent and depth is paper thin.

Who wouldn't want a guy like Carpenter is my question? Pass rush ability (he lines up as a DE quite a bit), coverage ability, coach's son, ties to BP.

If LB is the value pick, take it and run. Finalize your front seven for the next 5-10 years.
I think carpenter is a guy parcells would like, but maybe 3rd rd pick .

junk
11-04-2005, 04:38 PM
I think carpenter is a guy parcells would like, but maybe 3rd rd pick .

I think he may be off the board a bit before then.

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 05:27 PM
Since its bye week, so draft nerds like myself can look ahead and think about the draft ... like we can help ourselves.

My dream Cowboys draft at this point...

Round 1: DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil, Louisville ... 20 sacks this season. The next Terrel Suggs. The missing piece to a dominant Cowboys 3-4 defense.

Round 2: OT Andrew Whitworth, LSU ... would have been a 1st round pick last year, but a the deepest OT class in recent memory combined with his likely inability to play left tackle drops him to Round 2.

Round 3: QB Omar Jacobs ... He's had a injury filled year which has dropped his stock. Maybe the one time 1st round pick drops to the 3rd round.

Round 4: (Traded to Philly in the Canty deal)

Round 5: S DWayne Slay, Texas Tech ... 6'4" 215 lbs. Poor man's Sean Taylor http://media.putfile.com/DwayneSlay Uhmm .. .yeah.


Round 6, pick 1 (pick obtained by the Jets for Pete Hunter): WR Michael Robinson, Penn State ... raw, converted scrambling QB who has good size/speed combination, and good run after the catch ability.

Round 6, pick 2 (obatined from the Eagles in the Canty deal): C Pat Ross Boston College ... Cowboys need a replacement for Gurode who walks in free agency. Can't have enough Boston College offensive linemen.

Round 6, pick 3 (Cowboys pick) .. traded to KC in the Fujita trade.

Round 7 .. K Jon Scrifes SW Missouri .. best K in a weak draft class for the position. Also kickoffs and punts.

Whitworth lasts till late 2nd?

I'd be very suprised if we draft a QB on the 1st day, much less on any day in the '06 draft

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 05:28 PM
Im gonna guess you mean Omar Jacobs and if we got him in the 3rd i'd be doing backflips. 41/4 td/int ratio. big and strong and is athletic. Seems like a good decision maker and has all the measurables, just needs a bit of mechanics work. I know im gonna be minority, but I wouldnt even mind taking this guy in the second round if we had to. He can sit behind Bledsoe and learn and then be ready to play when he needs to. He reminds me a bit of Leftwich just a little less polished but more athletic.

the only problem I see with Omar Jacobs, is the fact that he runs a simplistic offense at BOwling Green, could take him awhile to learn how to do reads and checkdowns in the NFL

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 05:32 PM
I think you meant Omar Jacobs. Personally, I’ve been thoroughly unimpressed with Jacobs. His arm isn’t as good as advertised, weird throwing motion, and doesn’t throw the deep ball accurately. He’s also coming out of a system that appears more and more gimmicky each week. I doubt Charlie Whitehurst will be available in round 3, but if he is and Dallas takes him, I’d do a backflip.






yep, and good point about Jacob's throwing motion, I pointed it out on another board, after watching him play, that he holds it kinda like a waiter holds a tray, and would be an easy forced fumble in the NFL, all the defender has to do is reach in the back of his head and swipe at the football, that will surely be corrected when he reaches the pros, and because of the simplistic offense he runs at Bowling Green, it could set him back some, why bother when we can just go through that process with Henson, which we've been doing already

Nors
11-04-2005, 05:35 PM
DT/NT is where we go in first round. No WR's - weak draft. Look at Safety or the next Heath Miller/Witten.....

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 05:38 PM
or the next Heath Miller/Witten.....

huh?
why?

Chocolate Lab
11-04-2005, 05:41 PM
DT/NT is where we go in first round.So who are you demoting out of Spears, Ferguson, and Canty so you can start that first rounder?

Rush 2112
11-04-2005, 05:42 PM
Don't have to demote anyone.

Wilfork, the poster child for 3-4 NT's went 20 something and didn't start til his 2nd year.

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 05:43 PM
he asked for NOrs

oh wait, nvm

Rush 2112
11-04-2005, 05:46 PM
You've never been more wrong.

Oh wait there was that Dat thing.

Chocolate Lab
11-04-2005, 05:49 PM
Don't have to demote anyone.

Wilfork, the poster child for 3-4 NT's went 20 something and didn't start til his 2nd year.
Every single early pick Parcells has made since he got here has been to fill a need. If some transcendent talent is too great to turn down at that pick, okay, but I doubt Jerry gave Ferguson all that money to not start and play for at least a few years. And Glover's not gone yet, either.

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 05:52 PM
You've never been more wrong.

Oh wait there was that Dat thing.

and this was in response to what? Nors' alter-ego, you make no sense

Rush 2112
11-04-2005, 05:52 PM
Every single early pick Parcells has made since he got here has been to fill a need. If some transcendent talent is too great to turn down at that pick, okay, but I doubt Jerry gave Ferguson all that money to not start and play for at least a few years. And Glover's not gone yet, either.

We're also a Ferguson high ankle sprain way from being #25 vs run.

Both NT's wrong side of 30 and Fergie's deal is a 2 year deal disguised as a 4.

In with a Ngata or Watson, out with Coleman, Ogs, or Pepper.

What's wrong with securing a starting DL of Spears, Watson, Canty long term?

Rush 2112
11-04-2005, 05:54 PM
and this was in response to what? Nors' alter-ego, you make no sense

You're saying Nors and I are the same guy.

I'm saying your dead ___ wrong.........

As usual.

See your stance on Dat vs Shanle.

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 05:56 PM
We're also a Ferguson high ankle sprain way from being #25 vs run.


you forget we have Pepper Johnson and Parcells really likes Chris Van Hoy, and the fact that you don't need to spend a high pick to get a quality NT, big money invested in Ferg already, and then invest even more money on his backup, good thinking Nors

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 05:57 PM
You're saying Nors and I are the same guy.

I'm saying your dead ___ wrong.........

As usual.

See your stance on Dat vs Shanle.

ok, someone replied to Nors, but Nors doesn't respond to him, you do, and guess what, both of you have the exact, same argument, hmmm, looks fishy to me, and I'm not wrong on my stance with Dat, he isn't being phased out

Rush 2112
11-04-2005, 06:00 PM
you forget we have Pepper Johnson and Parcells really likes Chris Van Hoy, and the fact that you don't need to spend a high pick to get a quality NT, big money invested in Ferg already, and then invest even more money on his backup, good thinking Nors

You forgot Pepper hasn't suited up for a game yet. That's one.

Prove to us that BP really likes Chris Van Hoy.

Likes him so much he isn't on the roster or practice squad?

Explain that?

Van Hoy is such a good NT that BP moved him to OG for a while this TC.

Wilfork played behind RDE and NT his rookie year.

Good thinking Summer's Eve.

Cowboy Junkie
11-04-2005, 06:03 PM
I don't think Robinson is going to be around in the 6th round. Living in PA I get to see alot of him, and he's going to be good as a WR/RB in the NFL. He's very strong as well, he runs at least one defender over in every game.

I agree and I think Robinson will probably be a first day pick.
He is not exactly horrible as a QB either .
He has carried Penn State this year .
For me he is like a poor mans Vince Young from Texas.
Of course Young from Texas has a lot more talent around him .

Penn State has a very good defense but Robinson is the whole offense.

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 06:09 PM
You forgot Pepper hasn't suited up for a game yet. That's one.

Prove to us that BP really likes Chris Van Hoy.

Likes him so much he isn't on the roster or practice squad?

Explain that?

Van Hoy is such a good NT that BP moved him to OG for a while this TC.

Wilfork played behind RDE and NT his rookie year.

Good thinking Summer's Eve.

Parcells has bodies to work with behind Ferguson, who can play NT, and already has a shartload of money invested in Ferguson

Chocolate Lab
11-04-2005, 06:10 PM
We're also a Ferguson high ankle sprain way from being #25 vs run.

Both NT's wrong side of 30 and Fergie's deal is a 2 year deal disguised as a 4.

In with a Ngata or Watson, out with Coleman, Ogs, or Pepper.

What's wrong with securing a starting DL of Spears, Watson, Canty long term?
We also might be a Ware or Roy Williams knee injury from 3-5. So should we target a rush linebacker or strong safety? Or should we shore up the needs that this team still has?

We're not going to agree, so there's no point in going back and forth forever. But IMO some needs that may not be obvious right now are going to show up in the second half of the season. It might be that Shanle regresses and we need a huge, strong ILB. It might be that Fujita looks like merely a "pretty good" player, and need a more dominant SOLB. It might be that a receiver gets hurt and we realize how thin and pedestrian our WR corps is. It might be that the young tackles crater and we realize we need a top-notch tackle.

Point being, NT should be a position of strength right now considering we just brought in a Parcells favorite and gave him almost an eight figure signing bonus. If we want a project backup for the future, fine, but that's not what first rounders are for. There will be other positions that can use immediate upgrades, and that's where I think we'll look.

And while I'm here, I'll throw Pat Watkins' name into the ring at FS. :)

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 06:11 PM
We also might be a Ware or Roy Williams knee injury from 3-5. So should we target a rush linebacker or strong safety? Or should we shore up the needs that this team still has?

We're not going to agree, so there's no point in going back and forth forever. But IMO some needs that may not be obvious right now are going to show up in the second half of the season. It might be that Shanle regresses and we need a huge, strong ILB. It might be that Fujita looks like merely a "pretty good" player, and need a more dominant SOLB. It might be that a receiver gets hurt and we realize how thin and pedestrian our WR corps is. It might be that the young tackles crater and we realize we need a top-notch tackle.

Point being, NT should be a position of strength right now considering we just brought in a Parcells favorite and gave him almost an eight figure signing bonus. If we want a project backup for the future, fine, but that's not what first rounders are for. There will be other positions that can use immediate upgrades, and that's where I think we'll look.

And while I'm here, I'll throw Pat Watkins' name into the ring at FS. :)

:hammer: (http://str8thuggin.com/beyonce.htm#)

Cowboy Junkie
11-04-2005, 06:11 PM
If I am going to dream I will do so big...
RD1 Leinhart -QB
RD2 Rod Wright - DT
RD3 Jason Allen -S
RD4 Winstrom -OT

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 06:13 PM
If I am going to dream I will do so big...
RD1 Leinhart -QB
RD2 Rod Wright - DT
RD3 Jason Allen -S
RD4 Winstrom -OT

LOL, nice

Rush 2112
11-04-2005, 06:25 PM
We also might be a Ware or Roy Williams knee injury from 3-5. So should we target a rush linebacker or strong safety? Or should we shore up the needs that this team still has?

We're not going to agree, so there's no point in going back and forth forever. But IMO some needs that may not be obvious right now are going to show up in the second half of the season. It might be that Shanle regresses and we need a huge, strong ILB. It might be that Fujita looks like merely a "pretty good" player, and need a more dominant SOLB. It might be that a receiver gets hurt and we realize how thin and pedestrian our WR corps is. It might be that the young tackles crater and we realize we need a top-notch tackle.

Point being, NT should be a position of strength right now considering we just brought in a Parcells favorite and gave him almost an eight figure signing bonus. If we want a project backup for the future, fine, but that's not what first rounders are for. There will be other positions that can use immediate upgrades, and that's where I think we'll look.

And while I'm here, I'll throw Pat Watkins' name into the ring at FS. :)


It might be that BP has a philosophy that big guys early cuz there are only so many of them?

He may feel that his secondary is already young enough and he'd rather get an experienced FS in FA?

Maybe he's just looking for depth at OLB?

Maybe Price resigns and we have our 4 WR's set?

Maybe between Flo, Petiti, Tucker, Colombo, Rogers, Brooks we find 3-4 that stick?

BP said yesterday there are a couple more areas where he would like to be more dominant.

With him, there are only so many places that would be IMO.

ghst187
11-04-2005, 06:35 PM
You guys can't have a draft thread without me posting....

Ok here's mine straight up:
1) Santonio Holmes, gives us youth and speed and can return some kicks until Glenn retires. All the top OL will be gone by the time we pick and i think Ahmad Brooks is too much a thug for our team.
2) Micheal Huff or Jason Allen (depending on his return from injury) at S. I think FS is probably our biggest hole right now.
3) Best OL. I like Slay a lot although I prefer our FS to be a coverage guy moreso than a big hitter but if he can do both...bring him on

The real deal....
I'd like us to hedge our bets....I'd prefer to trade out of the first round for an extra first next year ('07 draft) in case we decide that Henson isn't going to make the cut. Having 2 #1's is the only way we'll have a legit chance at grabbing QB Brady Quinn.
Use the rest of our picks to grab a FS, OG (preferrably one that can play some Center), an extra LB and WR/KR.
Even if Henson turns out to be the dude, we have that option available to us in '07. And if Henson does get it, the '07 draft class should be MUCH better at WR than '06 so we'd have a chance at a big time WR. By '07 season, I think Key and Glenn will be living on borrowed time, or at least declining noticably.

mschmidt64
11-04-2005, 06:42 PM
Love to have a Louisville player play for Dallas, but i dont know. Ive seen everygame of his. Even games that he rode the bench his freshman year when he was 4th string. Yes Dumervil was 4th string. Dumervil is very very small for a DE or for the NFL period. Dumervil has a lot of talent at the college level but i think his speed and moves, wont full some of the bigger OL in the NFL and wont be as big in the NFL. I say pass on him early 1st, near end of 1st snatch him up.


I would agree. Dumerville will go rather high because of his stats, but I think he's a situational pass rusher.

He certainly is not a 3-4 lineman, and I don't know if he can make the same switch to LB.

I'd rather go with a guy like Manny Lawson, if we're in the business of converting another end.

Or a real linebacker like Carpenter.

mschmidt64
11-04-2005, 06:44 PM
I'd prefer to trade out of the first round for an extra first next year ('07 draft) in case we decide that Henson isn't going to make the cut. Having 2 #1's is the only way we'll have a legit chance at grabbing QB Brady Quinn.


I would not be shocked at all if this proves to be our course of action.

We put off making the ultimate decision another year, which is ok, because Bledsoe isn't done yet, and doesn't want to be rushed off, it gives us another season to let Henson blossom (which will put him right at Parcells' three year limit), and allows us to get better value.

mschmidt64
11-04-2005, 06:47 PM
Don't have to demote anyone.

Wilfork, the poster child for 3-4 NT's went 20 something and didn't start til his 2nd year.


Ayuh, and Glover's deal is not exactly long term at this point.

He's got what, one year left after 2005?

We could let him walk and then go with a rotation of real NTs.... not that Glover is playing poorly, but... BPA.... gotta take him if its an NT.

burmafrd
11-04-2005, 06:54 PM
Realistically, a high first rd pick is not something we will need next year.
We will not be looking for a QB, RB, or likely a WR. We are set on the D line.
The Cowboys do not draft first rd O line. We are not going high for a LB; we are not going to spend ANOTHER high pick on the secondary. Therefore trading out of the first rd is a definite possibility. Get 2 #1's for next year and go after Quinn if we want to; if not we can parlay two #1's into a bunch of picks. I would even be amenable to, in the 2006 draft, maybe using the #2 as feed to get a better second 1st for 2007.

Rush 2112
11-04-2005, 06:55 PM
Ayuh, and Glover's deal is not exactly long term at this point.

He's got what, one year left after 2005?

We could let him walk and then go with a rotation of real NTs.... not that Glover is playing poorly, but... BPA.... gotta take him if its an NT.

Stop using foresight.

Always go for those "immediate" needs.

Beware of the mirage in the dessert! :eek:

burmafrd
11-04-2005, 06:58 PM
Bottom line for next year is to find out if either Henson or Romo will be the next QB after Bledsoe hangs it up. If so, then we have those picks to get several good players.
If not, then we have those picks to get the best QB available- either in the draft or by trade.

Rush 2112
11-04-2005, 06:59 PM
NT, LB, OL in one or we're outta there.

mschmidt64
11-04-2005, 07:02 PM
Realistically, a high first rd pick is not something we will need next year.
We will not be looking for a QB, RB, or likely a WR. We are set on the D line.
The Cowboys do not draft first rd O line. We are not going high for a LB; we are not going to spend ANOTHER high pick on the secondary. Therefore trading out of the first rd is a definite possibility. Get 2 #1's for next year and go after Quinn if we want to; if not we can parlay two #1's into a bunch of picks. I would even be amenable to, in the 2006 draft, maybe using the #2 as feed to get a better second 1st for 2007.


Under the assumption that there is value available, I would be willing to select a DT, OLB, ILB, QB, WR, or OT in the first round next year.

Any other position there really isn't going to be an opportunity to crack into the lineup, barring something unforeseen (well.... you could at FS, as well, but spending another high pick on the secondary would make me puke).

The problem with QB and WR is that there aren't going to be any of value when we pick. The problem with DT or a LB is that they will have to be part of a rotation for a year or two... though technically, if you are picking at the bottom of the first, that's not the end of the world for a player.

An offensive tackle would be the only draftable position in the first round that would present real immediate upgrade potential. Preferably, we'd draft a guy who can play LT and then stick him at RT until Flozell is gone (sorry, Petitti fans.... maybe Rob ain't horrid, but he's no Pro Bowler, either).

Any other position really offers no value. RB? When's he going to play? CB? Aside from the value aspect, don't we have three pretty good ones? Safety? Not in the first. C or G? No thanks... maybe in the second.

So trading down could easily be a good option for us.

burmafrd
11-04-2005, 07:36 PM
I think Pettiti can develope into a very good RT- he has the physical tools, and he has the attitude and the drive. I think that BP will give him one year to prove that he can do it. At the end of the season BP will take a hard look and make a decision. Frankly, Pettiti has done about as good as one could expect. If he keeps improving BP will ride that horse.

junk
11-04-2005, 07:47 PM
I personally don't think the team spends a high pick on a FS. They just don't really seem to value it all that much. Let a healthy Beriault, Pile and maybe a FA like Hope compete for the job.

Front seven on defense is always a possibility. NT depth definitely concerns me. A serious injury to a guy like Ferguson and this defense goes down the tubes. Draft a stud tackle and play some more 4 man fronts. Other than Ware, any of the LBer positions could be addressed.

OL is a strong possibility. Both guards are aging/expensive. I'd be happy with ANY offensive playmaker irregardless of position. WR, TE, QB....heck maybe even RB if somebody special was there. Somebody game changing that coordinators have to plan around.

I'd probably think hardest about OL, WR, NT, LB (ILB, SOLB) though.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 07:55 PM
I agree, NT can wait. Pepper is still in the wings, and Parcells thought enough of him to keep him on the roster even though he isnt playing. We canalways get NT in the later rounds aswell, just like Ferguson was drafted late. Only way we take NT is if Ngata fell to us, otherwise not even close.

We also might be a Ware or Roy Williams knee injury from 3-5. So should we target a rush linebacker or strong safety? Or should we shore up the needs that this team still has?

We're not going to agree, so there's no point in going back and forth forever. But IMO some needs that may not be obvious right now are going to show up in the second half of the season. It might be that Shanle regresses and we need a huge, strong ILB. It might be that Fujita looks like merely a "pretty good" player, and need a more dominant SOLB. It might be that a receiver gets hurt and we realize how thin and pedestrian our WR corps is. It might be that the young tackles crater and we realize we need a top-notch tackle.

Point being, NT should be a position of strength right now considering we just brought in a Parcells favorite and gave him almost an eight figure signing bonus. If we want a project backup for the future, fine, but that's not what first rounders are for. There will be other positions that can use immediate upgrades, and that's where I think we'll look.

And while I'm here, I'll throw Pat Watkins' name into the ring at FS. :)


Nice draft. I would love that draft. I do think though that if Parcells doesnt have a guy he really likes this year, he will move down and still get the guy he wants, or a similar guy a la JJ draft. Then 2007 is the year of the QB. Parcells will make something happen to get one of those big names sitting behind Bledsoe as the future.
You guys can't have a draft thread without me posting....

Ok here's mine straight up:
1) Santonio Holmes, gives us youth and speed and can return some kicks until Glenn retires. All the top OL will be gone by the time we pick and i think Ahmad Brooks is too much a thug for our team.
2) Micheal Huff or Jason Allen (depending on his return from injury) at S. I think FS is probably our biggest hole right now.
3) Best OL. I like Slay a lot although I prefer our FS to be a coverage guy moreso than a big hitter but if he can do both...bring him on

The real deal....
I'd like us to hedge our bets....I'd prefer to trade out of the first round for an extra first next year ('07 draft) in case we decide that Henson isn't going to make the cut. Having 2 #1's is the only way we'll have a legit chance at grabbing QB Brady Quinn.
Use the rest of our picks to grab a FS, OG (preferrably one that can play some Center), an extra LB and WR/KR.
Even if Henson turns out to be the dude, we have that option available to us in '07. And if Henson does get it, the '07 draft class should be MUCH better at WR than '06 so we'd have a chance at a big time WR. By '07 season, I think Key and Glenn will be living on borrowed time, or at least declining noticably.

mschmidt64
11-04-2005, 07:58 PM
I think Pettiti can develope into a very good RT- he has the physical tools, and he has the attitude and the drive. I think that BP will give him one year to prove that he can do it. At the end of the season BP will take a hard look and make a decision. Frankly, Pettiti has done about as good as one could expect. If he keeps improving BP will ride that horse.

Its possible, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Sometimes he looks good, sometimes he looks pretty bad.

He's got some mobility issues, its not all recognition, meaning that it could be a physical limitation, not something he can learn.

And they still give him help on about half his pass blocking snaps. That's really pretty limiting.

Hiero
11-04-2005, 08:00 PM
My ideal situation is that Beriault starts at FS next year, however that is such a big question mark I think we will have to get a FS at some point in this draft, definitely not first round though.

I personally don't think the team spends a high pick on a FS. They just don't really seem to value it all that much. Let a healthy Beriault, Pile and maybe a FA like Hope compete for the job.

Front seven on defense is always a possibility. NT depth definitely concerns me. A serious injury to a guy like Ferguson and this defense goes down the tubes. Draft a stud tackle and play some more 4 man fronts. Other than Ware, any of the LBer positions could be addressed.

OL is a strong possibility. Both guards are aging/expensive. I'd be happy with ANY offensive playmaker irregardless of position. WR, TE, QB....heck maybe even RB if somebody special was there. Somebody game changing that coordinators have to plan around.

I'd probably think hardest about OL, WR, NT, LB (ILB, SOLB) though.

Chocolate Lab
11-04-2005, 08:05 PM
Sometimes he looks good, sometimes he looks pretty bad.A rookie sometimes looks pretty bad? :eek:

He'll never be any good. Cut the bum.

chicago JK
11-04-2005, 10:01 PM
This may fit in here:


By Rob Rang
NFLDraftScout.com
Sr. Analyst

November 04, 2005 - With the halfway point of the collegiate season passing this weekend, the foundations for scouting reports on senior prospects of the 2006 draft are being laid.

While there certainly is a lot of football left to be played, as well as the post-season all-star games and workouts, most teams entered the season with a general perception of the top prospects. That said, the annual re-shuffling of the deck is occurring with injuries taking their toll and the many of surprises and disappointments of the early season having developed into mid-season reality.

In this article we're talking offense, taking it position by position and exploring the trends, surprises, disappointments, and sleepers for the 2006 draft.

As an added bonus, we've added a brief sketch of the underclassmen establishing themselves as ones to watch for this draft or next.


Quarterback:

Position Trend: Entering the year only USC's Matt Leinart was considered a lock for the first round. Things haven't changed much. The steady, at times, spectacular play of Alabama's Brodie Croyle and the live arms and athleticism of Texas A&M's Reggie McNeal and Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler have certainly caught the attention of teams, but all still have plenty of work to do before being considered first round prospects. Small school quarterbacks could also play an interesting role in this year's draft as Eastern Washington's Erik Meyer, Linfield's Brett Elliott, Montana State's Travis Lulay, and Furman's Ingle Martin have all piqued the interest of scouts we’ve spoken with.


Biggest Surprise: Brodie Croyle's ascension has to be the biggest pleasant surprise of the position at this point of the season. Croyle has always been talented, but to this point had struggled with injury throughout his career, including a torn ACL in his left knee last year. Croyle has been steady and at times spectacular this season for the undefeated Crimson Tide and will have every opportunity at the Senior Bowl to continue his move up the charts.


Biggest Disappointment: While certainly good collegiate quarterbacks, Josh Betts of Miami (Ohio) and Bruce Gradkowski from Toledo have been exposed as marginal NFL prospects a bit this year, proving to have only average downfield accuracy due to relatively weak arms despite their hype.


Super Sleeper: There are plenty of small school prospects to keep in mind for the 2006 draft, but one player who is rapidly rising up boards is UCLA's Drew Olson. Blessed with solid size, plenty of experience, and a calm under pressure that has led the Bruins to four come from behind victories in their undefeated season thus far, Olson has the short to medium range accuracy West Coast Offensive minded coaches love. Considered a borderline draft pick entering the season, Olson is getting first day grades now from some scouts.


Underclassmen: Texas' Vince Young, Notre Dame's Brady Quinn, Bowling Green's Omar Jacobs, and Virginia Tech's Marcus Vick have all shown flashes of superstar ability. Young, Jacobs, and Vick have the combination of arm strength and athleticism to continue the NFL's trend of mobile, multi-talented quarterbacks. Of these three, Jacobs is the furthest along in his passing skills. Quinn might be the safest of the group, as many scouts feel after Charlie Weis' tutelage, he is actually the most NFL-ready.



Running Back:

Position Trend: Like quarterback, running back entered the year with one established star in Memphis' DeAngelo Williams and a bunch of other guys. Williams has proven himself once again to be one of the nation's elite runners, but the ascension of other backs makes his a considerably stronger position than it appeared to be in August.


Biggest Surprise: LSU's Joseph Addai emerging as a legitimate top round talent has to be considered a surprise even though he was extremely highly ranked by scouting services entering the year. While no one questioned his athleticism, LSU simply had such a strong stable of backs, Addai had been given the opportunity as the featured back in the past. However, Addai is currently third in the SEC in rushing attempts this season and has rushed for more yards in seven games this season (649) and is second in the conference with seven rushing touchdowns.

A mention of Washington State's Jerome Harrison is required here, as well. At the time of this article, Harrison led all Division I rushers with 1,310 rushing yards, including 147 yards Saturday against USC. Last year a Pac-10 running back broke the 2,000 yard mark while rushing for at least 100 yards in every game. That feat got JJ Arrington drafted in the second round. Harrison has rushed for at least 117 yards in every game this season and the elusive open field artist could be in for a similar draft position.


Biggest Disappointment: Even before an ankle injury finished his career prematurely, Tennessee's Gerald Riggs, Jr has never been the dominant performer his name and reputation would lead one to believe. He finished with 1,893 yards and thirteenth on the Vol career rushing yards, but lacks speed to the outside, has only marginal feel as an interior runner, and struggled with fumbles, at times. A legitimate NFL prospect to be sure, but not an elite talent.


Super Sleeper: Portland State's Joe Rubin continues to lead all of college football in rushing yards with 1,374 yards and 12 touchdowns. While he lacks breakaway speed, Rubin has a short, thick, powerful frame and enough agility to make people miss to gain yardage in chunks.


Underclassmen: The USC combination of Reggie Bush and LenDale White could join Matt Leinart at the top of the 2006 draft. Each player has been characterized to us as the best player in the country by at least one scouting director. While he certainly hasn't received the national attention the USC duo has, Minnesota's Laurence Maroney has enjoyed a Heisman caliber season (1,260 yards) and Florida's DeShawn Wynn is quietly moving up boards, as well.



Tight End:

Position Trend: The tight end position has re-established itself as one of prime importance in both the collegiate and professional game. Perhaps not surprisingly then, tight end is one of this year's strongest and deepest positions. UCLA's Marcedes Lewis is considered the best downfield threat due to his rare size, but the all-around games of Texas' Dave Thomas, Colorado's Joe Klopfenstein and Oregon's Tim Day have teams viewing this position as one they could address even in the middle rounds and still find solid help.


Biggest Surprise: Even though Big 12 followers have long pointed to Joe Klopfenstein as one of the country's top tight ends, the presence of highly recruited Quinn Sypniewski also at tight end diluted the national attention given to Klopfenstein. Klopfenstein (6-5, 247) has always been a solid prospect, showing ability as a receiver and a blocker, but has really emerged this season, going for nearly as many yards (373) and touchdowns (4) in the first eight games as he did all of last year (418, 5).


Biggest Disappointment: While statistics hardly tell the whole story, Oregon's Tim Day entered the season being ranked among the elite tight ends in the country. Through eight games this season, however, Day has only thirteen catches for 124 yards. Oregon's track record of tight ends is also a bit disconcerting. While the Ducks have seen both George Wrighster (2003) and Justin Peele (2002) enter the NFL as highly acclaimed prospects, neither has enjoyed much success at the next level.


Super Sleeper: Texas Tech is hardly known for producing tight ends, but the Red Raiders have one in Bristol Olomua. At 6-5, 236 pounds Olomua has the size teams are looking for and Olomua certainly has the experience in a passing offense to make a significant early contribution as a seam threat.


Underclassmen: Notre Dame's Anthony Fasano finished second in receptions (27) for the Irish last season and through seven games has already caught 32 this year. His combination of soft hands, good routes, and toughness has teams intrigued. Georgia' Leonard Pope and Duke's Ben Patrick have shown the athleticism the NFL is looking for, but still need seasoning.



Wide Receiver:

Position Trend: This year's senior class lacks the elite receiver talent of years past. Arizona State's Derek Hagan entered the year as the highest ranked prospect and has enjoyed another spectacular season. However, he has less than explosive speed and first round Pac-10 receivers over the past ten seasons, JJ Stokes (1995), Keyshawn Johnson (#1 overall, 1996), R. Jay Soward (2000), Freddie Mitchell (2001), and Reggie Williams (2004) have in nearly every case struggled mightily in living up to expectations over the past ten years. After Hagan, scouts are split as to who should be the second receiver selected, with New Mexico's Hank Baskett, BYU's Todd Watkins, Oregon State's Mike Hass, and Michigan's Jason Avant all having their believers.


Biggest Surprise: The ascension of New Mexico's Hank Baskett into one of the elite receivers in the country has been a remarkable one. While he lacks superb timed speed, Baskett at 6-4, 228 pounds could be a standout possession receiver due to not only the size, but his route-running and super-soft hands.


Biggest Disappointment: While not all of it has been his fault obviously, the expectations were high that Oklahoma speedster Travis Wilson would enjoy a breakout senior season and rise to the top of the receiver rankings. Battling injuries, as well as shoddy play at quarterback, Wilson has nonetheless struggled to make a positive impact. Through seven starts, Wilson has only 22 catches for 283 yards and hasn’t caught a touchdown pass to this point.


Super Sleeper: Scouts we talk to are buzzing about Central Missouri State's Delanie Walker. At 6-1, 232 pounds Walker has rare size for the position and solid speed. A JUCO transfer, Walker stepped in and immediately proved to be a difference-maker for the Mules, emerging as an all-conference receiver and kick returner.


Underclassmen: With a senior class of receivers lacking big playmakers, there could be a stable of juniors looking to enter this draft. Washington State's Jason Hill has already publicly expressed his interest in turning pro early. Florida's Chad Jackson, USC's Steve Smith, Pittsburgh's Greg Lee, and Notre Dame's Jeff Samardzija could be following him soon.



Offensive Line:

Position Trend: Reversing a trend of recent years, the 2006 crop of offensive linemen appears to be not only talented, but deep. Some scouts feel that they'll be no less than six offensive linemen selected in the first round alone. Considered among the elite offensive tackles are Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Texas' Jonathan Scott, Auburn's Marcus McNeill, Miami's Eric Winston, Boston College's Jeremy Trueblood; the elite guards include Georgia's Max Jean-Gilles, Oklahoma's Davin Joseph, and Boise State's Daryn Colledge. Center, while rarely offering one good enough for first round consideration, is talented and deep, as well, with Ohio State's Nick Mangold and Minnesota's Greg Eslinger proving the highest ranked.


Biggest Surprise: While Texas' Jonathan Scott has long been considered one of the top offensive linemen in the country, he has been especially dominant this season, averaging more than fifteen knockdown blocks a game. While D'Brickashaw Ferguson's rare footwork in pass blocking will likely keep him as the draft's top OT, Scott is garnering plenty of attention and moving up the board.


Biggest Disappointment: Both Auburn's Marcus McNeill and Miami's Eric Winston share this dubious honor. McNeill might be the most athletic offensive tackle in the country when you are 6-8, 335 pounds that means a top five selection. That said, after seemingly putting it all together for a spectacular junior season, the enigmatic McNeill is back to his inconsistent self. Winston is returning from a horrific knee injury that cost him much of the 2004 season. He has struggled to regain his old form thus far in 2005, giving up seven sacks in Miami's first seven games.


Super Sleeper: While prospects like Washington's Joe Toledo and Bloomsburg State's Jhari Evans are certainly deserving of attention, one player that is really surprising scouts right now and shooting up boards is Weber State's Paul McQuistain. At 6-6, 315 pounds McQuistan has the size teams are looking for and plays a ferocious brand of football. An all-conference honoree earlier in his career, he has really taken to the new coaching staff and their technique and has dominated this season. Paul's twin brother Pat is the starting left guard for the Weber State and also is emerging as prospect.


Underclassmen: Due to the strength of this year's draft class along the offensive line, underclassmen would be wise to remain in school rather than test the waters. That said, some of the more dominant performances of the year thus far have been turned in Wisconsin offensive tackle Joe Thomas, who could be emerging into a superstar.

chicago JK
11-04-2005, 10:02 PM
DEFENSE

Defensive End:

Position Trend: With NFL teams leaning on the passing game more and more, rushing the passer has become one of the more sought-after and thus, well-paid positions in football. For teams looking for pass rushers, the 2006 draft shapes up as another solid outlet. High ranking seniors Mathias Kiwanuka and Tamba Hali have been joined by numerous other defensive ends likely to hear their name called on the first day of the draft.

Biggest Surprise: Entering this season NFL scouts were pointing to Boston College's Mathias Kiwanuka and Penn State's Tamba Hali as being the top defensive ends in the country. While both of these players remains among the nation's best, the surprise development of several other senior defensive ends will prove to be one of the overriding stories of this draft season. Louisville's Elvis Dumervil leads the country with a staggering 20.5 sacks and broke the all-time NCAA record with nine forced fumbles thus far this season. Florida's Jeremy Mincey rarely gets the credit his athletic defensive tackle teammates Ray McDonald and Marcus Thomas receive, but earned Defensive Lineman of the Year honors for the Gators last year and simply leads the entire Florida defense with 51 tackles and 8.5 tackles for loss. His 3.5 sacks place him second. Ohio State's Mike Kudla might be the biggest surprise of the bunch, as the former linebacker has developed into one of the Buckeyes' most dependable defenders, coming through with 23 tackles, including seven tackles for loss (3rd on team) and 5.5 sacks (2nd on team).

Biggest Disappointment: Boston College's Mathias Kiwanuka has been considered one of the nation's top defensive ends for several years now. He made the surprising decision to return to Boston College after a junior season that saw him post 67 tackles and 25.5 tackles for loss, including 11.5 sacks on his way to earning Big East Defensive Player of the Year honors and be graded as a first round selection by the NFL Advisory Committee. This season Kiwanuka has been hampered by a sprained MCL in his right knee and has "only" 27 tackles and 4.5 tackles for loss (including 3.5 sacks). Assuming he checks out as healthy, Kiwanuka is a dominant force that he will almost surely remain as the top defensive line prospect in this draft. That said, his season has been far from the dominant one expected of him.

Super Sleeper: Cal Poly outside linebacker Jordan Beck proved to be one of the highest drafted "small school" players in the country last season when he was selected in the third round (90th overall) by Atlanta. This year, his former teammate, Chris Gocong could beat him. Gocong had previously been misused as a nose tackle despite his 6-2, 254 pound frame. While smaller than you like at defensive end, his explosiveness off the edge has made him a pass rushing terror. The senior has 11.5 sacks this season after posting 18 last year. Look for this kid to soar up post-season boards.

Underclassmen: The fact that this appears to be a solid senior class of defensive ends might keep some of the juniors in school for another year. Georgia's Quentin Moses and NC State's Mario Williams have established themselves as two of the better young pass rushers in the country. Miami's Baraka Atkins, who has seen time at both defensive end and defensive tackle, has shown flashes of being a high round prospect, as has Purdue's Ray Edwards.



Defensive Tackle:

Position Trend: If there is a position the NFL has historically gambled on the pure athleticism/size combination, it is defensive tackle. Luckily, there are several quality senior defensive tackles coming via the 2006 draft. Most feel that Michigan's Gabe Watson, Texas' Rodrique Wright, Tennessee's Jesse Mahelona, and LSU's Claude Wroten remain at the top of the heap. Each, however, has battled bouts of inconsistency. Florida State's Broderick Bunkley and Stanford's Babatunde Oshinowo have each moved up the charts and could further rise with strong post-season all-star campaigns.


Biggest Surprise: Despite the fact that he, like most Seminoles came in as an extremely highly touted prep, Broderick Bunkley's rise up the draft charts this year has been impressive. Entering 2005, Bunkley had only nine career starts to his credit, as high round picks Darnell Dockett and Travis Johnson each played ahead of him. Last season Bunkley finished with 12 tackles, including 3 tackles for loss. This season, however, Bunkley has posted 28 tackles, including 11 tackles for loss and 4 sacks. An athletically gifted prospect, Bunkley could enjoy a big move up the board if he played well in the Senior Bowl, if he is, as scouts hope, invited.


Biggest Disappointment: Since posting 36 tackles as a redshirt freshman, many have classified Orien Harris as "the next great Miami defensive lineman." While Harris is a legitimate NFL prospect, he isn't near the athlete of former Hurricane stars Cortez Kennedy, Warren Sapp, Damione Lewis, and Vince Wilfork. Harris is more of a two gap run plugger than the interior pass rush artist that often is drafted highly. While he is certainly a solid prospect (averaging more than 43 tackles each year of his career), Harris isn't the elite prospect his hype indicates.


Super Sleeper: If Stanford's Babatunde Oshinowo played for a national powerhouse, he'd be highly recognized as what he has proven to be: one of the country's top defensive linemen. As a 6-2, 320 pound nose tackle, Oshinowo has the size and power teams are looking for in an interior plugger and has posted solid numbers throughout his career, including a 41 tackle, 5.5 tackle for loss campaign last year. This year, Oshinowo has already neared those numbers, racking up 35 tackles and another 5.5 tackles for loss in his first seven games,


Underclassmen: Underclassmen have historically boosted the defensive tackle prospect for each draft. This year could be more of the same. Oregon's Haloti Ngata might be the most talented interior defensive lineman in the country. Blessed with incredible size at 6-5, 335 pounds and a 455 pound bench press, Ngata has shown flashes of dominance throughout his career. Ngata has struggled a bit with injuries throughout his career, however, including missing the 2003 season with a devastating knee injury. Ngata seemed to return to form late last season, but has been inconsistent this year. Still, his admission into the 2006 draft would not come as a surprise. Two prospects scouts are sure to pay attention to are the Florida Gator tandem of Marcus Thomas and Ray McDonald. Teams appear to be split on which Gator they like better. Each has battled bouts of inconsistency, but each also shows great burst for such large men and could move surprisingly high up draft boards should they decide to leave early.



Inside Linebacker:

Position Trend: Only a few years ago the NFL was being controlled up the middle by gargantuan 250 pound middle linebackers. With the success of smaller, faster players like Ray Lewis, however, the NFL seems more interested now in sideline to sideline defenders who can run around blocks to make plays in the backfield. This bodes well for the 2006 crop of senior inside linebackers as size limitations are some of the only concerns teams have with the two players most teams have ranked highest at the position: Iowa's Abdul Hodge and Maryland's D'Qwell Jackson.


Biggest Surprise: Despite the fact that Alabama's Freddie Roach is a natural inside linebacker and enjoyed great success there early in his career, the Tide chose to move Roach outside last season and move former outside linebacker, Cornelius Wortham, to the inside. The move paid off for Wortham in many ways, as he enjoyed his greatest statistical season to date and rode his success to a Senior Bowl berth and being selected by the Seahawks in the NFL draft. Roach struggled early with the transition outside before getting a bit acclimated as the season wore on. This year, however, moved back inside, Roach has proven himself to be one of the nation's best. A stout run defender, the 6-2, 248 pound Roach has the size teams have traditionally wanted in an inside linebacker, and has the experience to offer help on the outside, as well.


Biggest Disappointment: For those able to watch Washington State's Will Derting before injuries caught up to him, consider yourselves fortunate. Always undersized and slower than the NFL has traditionally required for the position, the instinctive and hyperactive Derting was a dominant performer for the Cougars for much of his career, earning Pac 10 honors after all three of his first seasons with the team. Torn ACLs in both knees, a surgically repaired wrist, and recurring ankle injuries later, Derting's body has begun to fail him. This season Derting has missed several games due to a sprained right knee and could struggle to pass an NFL physical.


Super Sleeper: While he lacks the pure athleticism and certainly the size most teams are looking for in an inside linebacker, Texas' Aaron Harris plays with good instincts, great physicality and toughness, and has certainly proven capable of playing at a high level on a national championship contending defense. Harris was nearly the statistical equal of first round pick Derrick Johnson last season, finishing second to Johnson in tackles (130 to 118) and also posting 8 tackles for loss, including 2 sacks. This season Harris has developed into the leader of the linebacking corps and currently is third in tackles with 68 tackles, including nine tackles for loss, three of which are sacks.


Underclassmen: Rarely do underclassmen inside linebackers make an appearance in the draft. In fact, last year three underclassmen inside linebackers entered for the first time in NFL history (Odell Thurman, Lofa Tatupu, and Channing Crowder). Up and coming inside linebackers Paul Posluszny (Penn State), Oscar Lua (USC), and the Virginia duo of Ahmad Brooks and Kai Pharham have all been noticed by the NFL, but of the group only Posluszny has proven to be truly consistent. While talented, any underclassmen inside linebackers should strongly consider consulting the NFL's Advisory Committee before leaving early.



Outside Linebacker:


Biggest Surprise: Entering the season scouts had pointed to Ohio State and Oregon State as the home of two of the country’s most consistent linebackers. The Buckeyes’ AJ Hawk was considered by some to be the best defensive prospect in the land. The Beavers’ Trent Bray, a second team Pac 10 honoree in his first season as the starter was considered an up and coming talent. The surprise at outside linebacker, however, is neither Hawk nor Bray (who plays inside linebacker for the Beavers), but the emergence of outside linebackers Bobby Carpenter and Keith Ellison for the Buckeyes and Beavers, respectively. Carpenter has long been considered a legitimate NFL talent, but this season he has taken advantage of his innate pass rushing skills and proven to be a 3rd down terror off the edge, accumulating 42 tackles, 10.5 tackles for loss, and a Big Ten leading 8 sacks. Similarly, Keith Ellison has turned into a big play artist for Oregon State this season, racking up 74 tackles, 12 tackles for loss, and 4 sacks.

Biggest Disappointment: With athletic, undersized outside linebackers enjoying a great deal of success at the NFL level, scouts often keep a keen eye out for similar prospects at the collegiate level. One such prospect, Terna Nande of Miami (Ohio) entered the year considered a likely first day selection. Dubbed “The Nigerian Nightmare” by his former coach, Terry Hoeppner, Nande was a First Team MAC performer last season and entered the year on the watch lists for the Lombardi and Nagusrki awards. Unfortunately, a lacerated liver suffered during Miami’s game against Kent State (Sept. 17th) has kept him out for much of the season. He considered redshirting, but has recently decided to return for the remainder of this season.

Super Sleeper: Despite the fact that he plays for one of the elite programs in the country, Virginia Tech’s James Anderson has yet to receive the national acclaim his athleticism and size warrant. At 6-3, 222 pounds Anderson was timed in the off-season by scouts in the high 4.4s. Considered by some to be a better athlete than football player early in his career, Anderson emerged as a starter last season and finished with 48 tackles, including 6.5 tackles for loss (2.5 of which were sacks). This season Anderson appears well on his way towards eclipsing his previous highs, as in eight games he already has 55 tackles, 5 tackles for loss, and 2 sacks. Still a bit raw, teams will consider him earlier than most anticipate. Athletes of this caliber and work ethic simply don’t come around often. The only player in Tech football history to earn the Excalibur Award - the top honor in Tech's strength and conditioning program four times…

Underclassmen: Many NFL teams feel that true outside linebackers, players fast enough to cover running backs and tight ends, yet stout enough to take on blockers, is one of the toughest positions to fill. Because of this fact, highly ranked underclassmen at this position often feel pressure to leave school early and take advantage of their financial opportunities. Several young stars have emerged in 2005, with Florida State’s Ernie Sims, Pittsburgh’s H.B. Blades, Oklahoma’s Rufus Alexander, and Florida’s Earl Everett leading the charge.



Cornerback:

Biggest Surprise: Astute fans have long ago penciled in Georgia’s Tim Jennings and Penn State’s Alan Zemaitis as legitimate NFL prospects. What scouts are quickly discovering however, is that the cornerbacks playing opposite these two big names are incredibly gifted, as well. The 5-08 Jennings, voted a Freshman All-American in 2002 and pre-season All-SEC this year, lacks the height NFL scouts prefer. His counterpart at Georgia, DeMario Minter, however, at 5-11, 198 pounds is the prototype and after a strong 2004 season (voted Most Improved Defender) and start to this season (35 tackles, 1 interception, team leading 4 passes broken up), some have moved Minter ahead of Jennings. Similarly, while Zemaitis has been a Big Ten honoree after each of the past two seasons, Anwar Phillips has emerged as a highly ranked prospect in his own right. Phillips, blessed with a rare combination of size (6-0, 190) and speed (4.46), led the team in interceptions last season (4) and has another pick, as well as seven pass breakups thus far in 2005.

Biggest Disappointment: Like the old chicken vs. egg debate, NFL scouts are often left to ponder if it is the player or the scheme that allows a prospect to perform well. USC’s Justin Wyatt is a legitimate cornerback prospect for the next level, and yet hasn’t proven to be the star that some expected. Entering this season with nineteen consecutive starts for the two time defending National Champion Trojans, Wyatt certainly has the name and accolades. He was voted First Team Pac-10 by ESPN last year and entered this season as a Preseason First Team Pac-10 from the Sporting News, as well. That said, Wyatt has only adequate size (5-09, 184) and speed (4.51) for the position and lacks the explosiveness to break on the ball when he is beaten. Wyatt is certainly a draftable prospect and a solid performer for the Trojans, but he is not the top cornerback in the West as some have labeled him.

Super Sleeper: Small school sleepers generally have to boast eye-popping statistics, size, or speed to get noticed. Ohio cornerback Dion Byrum’s 4.38 forty for NFL scouts this past spring certainly did the trick. At one time Byrum was considered a pure speedster with questionable upside on the gridiron. He finished second on the team in passes broken up last year (7), but had no interceptions. The Bobcats were forced to maximize Byrum’s speed as a kick returner, where he led the team in return yardage (330) despite only having fourteen opportunities (23.6 avg.). Dedicated himself to improvement this past off-season and has been a star, recording 5 interceptions (153 return yards, 2 touchdowns), returning a fumble 62 yards for a touchdown, and catching a touchdown pass (his only reception of the season, thus far), as well.

Underclassmen: An average of three underclassmen cornerbacks have entered the draft early over the past two seasons and this senior class appears average enough to attract at least as many juniors in 2006. Miami’s Devin Hester, Kansas’ Charles Gordon, Ohio State’s Ashton Youboty, Florida’s Dee Webb, and Fresno State’s Richard Marshall have all explored the possibility of leaving school early for the NFL, with each of these players likely earning first day grades from the NFL Advisory Committee.

chicago JK
11-04-2005, 10:03 PM
Safety:

Position Trend: The general consensus among the NFL is that safeties can be found in later rounds, and thus unless a special talent is available, few teams will spend a first round pick on the position. In fact, only one safety has been drafted per year in the first round over the past three drafts. That said, this appears to be a senior crop capable of breaking the trend. Alabama’s Roman Harper, Georgia’s Greg Blue, and Florida State’s Pat Watkins have all grabbed the attention of NFL teams.

Biggest Surprise: The transition of Harrison Smith, a former Cal cornerback, into a highly thought of free safety prospect, has certainly improved the depth of the safety position. Smith flashed ability as a cornerback, showing good open field tackling skills and knack of knocking down passes (Cal record 18 PBUs last season). His lack of straight-line speed remains a concern, but the 6-2 Smith’s long gait covers ground quicker on the field than off of it and could prove helpful to a team looking for a true centerfielder in the middle rounds.

Biggest Disappointment: The SEC lost one of their best players when a tragic hip injury sidelined Tennessee star Jason Allen for the remainder of this season during an early season loss to Georgia. The injury was prematurely labeled by some as potentially “career-ending.” Fortunately, unlike the injury suffered by Bo Jackson, Allen’s hip was dislocated and rolled back in almost immediately. There is concern that the hip will not receive proper circulation, which of course, would rob the talented defensive back of strength, flexibility, and ultimately, speed. Clearly Allen is out for the remainder of the season, but the hope is that he will have recovered in time to work out at the Combine. Allen had seen action at both cornerback and free safety over his career. As a free safety in 2004, Allen was the first non linebacker to lead Tennessee in tackles since their records began in 1970. His 123 tackles led the SEC. Allen surprised many when he elected to return to Tennessee this past season. Began the year at cornerback and looked capable of playing this position at the next level (though many scouts still considered his best potential at free safety) before the injury.

Super Sleeper: When considering sleepers at the safety position, it is difficult to not mention both Reed Doughty of Northern Colorado and Antoine Bethea of Howard. Doughty, at 6-1, 210 pounds has the size teams like at the position and with his 100 tackles in only seven games this season, is well on his way towards establishing himself as one of the nation’s most productive hitters. Bethea was lost a bit last year in the shadow cast by 2005 2nd round choice Ronald Bartell (St. Louis). That said, many close to the Howard program consider Bethea to be a better all-around football player than the former Bison cornerback, Bartell. Each is garnering post season all-star game attention and are considered potential mid to late round picks.

Underclassmen: The fact that this senior crop of safeties appears to be more talented and deep than usual could lead to less underclassmen venturing into the draft than last year. Last April, three underclassmen free safeties were selected in the first two rounds, as Georgia’s Thomas Davis was selected in the first, and Oklahoma’s Brodney Poole and Nebraska’s Josh Bullocks both hearing their names called in the second round. That said, three junior safeties who have already gained the attention of NFL scouting departments are LSU’s Laron Landry, USC’s Darnell Bing, and Purdue’s Bernard Pollard.

PullMyFinger
11-04-2005, 11:03 PM
Figures they give no props to VA Tech, they have a good defense for a reason. Tapp at DT, their trio of LBers, Williams at CB, and they have a good TE too.

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 11:46 PM
You guys can't have a draft thread without me posting....

Ok here's mine straight up:
1) Santonio Holmes, gives us youth and speed and can return some kicks until Glenn retires. All the top OL will be gone by the time we pick and i think Ahmad Brooks is too much a thug for our team.
2) Micheal Huff or Jason Allen (depending on his return from injury) at S. I think FS is probably our biggest hole right now.
3) Best OL. I like Slay a lot although I prefer our FS to be a coverage guy moreso than a big hitter but if he can do both...bring him on

The real deal....
I'd like us to hedge our bets....I'd prefer to trade out of the first round for an extra first next year ('07 draft) in case we decide that Henson isn't going to make the cut. Having 2 #1's is the only way we'll have a legit chance at grabbing QB Brady Quinn.
Use the rest of our picks to grab a FS, OG (preferrably one that can play some Center), an extra LB and WR/KR.
Even if Henson turns out to be the dude, we have that option available to us in '07. And if Henson does get it, the '07 draft class should be MUCH better at WR than '06 so we'd have a chance at a big time WR. By '07 season, I think Key and Glenn will be living on borrowed time, or at least declining noticably.

trading out of the 1st all depends on how the draft class stacks, if where we pick, nothing much seperates the players, from there, till where we pick in the 2nd round, we may do it, and recoup some extra picks, but if not, we'll stay and take the BPA, I hate speculating trade-down scenarios this early, like the idea of Santonio HOlmes though, but I don't know if the Cowboys are going to know if Henson is the guy or not, or even ROmo, until '08 at the earliest, Bledsoe has at least 2 more years left, at least, so we may not sniff Henson until the '08 season

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 11:47 PM
Bottom line for next year is to find out if either Henson or Romo will be the next QB after Bledsoe hangs it up.

that's gonna be a little hard to do if HEnson doesn't see the field next year, which he most likely won't

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 11:48 PM
My ideal situation is that Beriault starts at FS next year, however that is such a big question mark I think we will have to get a FS at some point in this draft, definitely not first round though.

my ideal situation would be to give Keith Davis another year to see if he's the man at FS or not, maybe even Pile

Bob Sacamano
11-04-2005, 11:50 PM
Its possible, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Sometimes he looks good, sometimes he looks pretty bad.

He's got some mobility issues, its not all recognition, meaning that it could be a physical limitation, not something he can learn.

And they still give him help on about half his pass blocking snaps. That's really pretty limiting.

Parcells says Pettiti has quick feet, that is a must-have for any OT, and he doesn't make mental mistakes, Pettiti just needs to learn how to grow into the position, and I think Parcells is gonna give him 3 years, and at the moment, I only see Pettiti getting better in those 3 years