TO Done In Philly--Ultimate TO Finished in Philly Thread

[BybeeBlitz]

Espnews!!!! 4 Games And Then Andy Said After That He Wont Come Back!

[numnuts23]

New conf. right now. Has just announced he has a 4 game suspension, and WILL NOT be returning even after the susp. is up.

[Haley94]

Reid just read a statement that TO won't play for the Philly agian this season.
I'm sure there will be many reports to come.

[rgcowboys]

That was quick.

[TobiasEagle77]

CeLeBrAtE good times, COMEUN!

[AbeBeta]

4 game suspension -- that's the max the Eagles can do. TO gets checks for yesterday and 4 more weeks. The Eagles keep the suspended 4 weeks. TO will file a grevience through the NFLPA. Whatever the details, he isn't playing for the Eagles anymore.

Good for Reid.

[BybeeBlitz]

The NFC East is ours for the taking fellas....I don't care how it happens I just want us to be back in the big picture.

[AbeBeta]

The NFC East is ours for the taking fellas....I don't care how it happens I just want us to be back in the big picture.

Now hold on -- road games against all 3 division teams are going to be tough -- we'll be lucky to go 1-2.

[Portland Fanatic]

Loser!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao2: :lmao: :bang2:



Props to Iggles front office for dealing with this! This is sweet to because the 4 game suspension won't allow for release, then when he does/or if he does he'll most likely get claimed by losing team that he would hate to play for...

To make it any better any team that picks him up next year will be highly looked down upon by all fans and many coaches and front offices in this league.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't agree with the above. I think Philly is a much worse team with Owens in the lineup. This will serve to calvinise them. I would not be surprised to see Philly come out of this with a renewed purpose.

[Danny White]

I'm listening to the PC on WIP... there was a cell phone ringing in the background. It'd have been funny if Reid had cancelled the PC there ala Mike Sherman.

[AbeBeta]

This will serve to calvinise them.

Calvinise? Is that some form of conversion to Protestantism?

[Eddie]

I bet Washington and NY are gloating also ....

I don't care about TO, but I think Philly is ripe to be crushed.

[Danny White]

I don't agree with the above. I think Philly is a much worse team with Owens in the lineup. This will serve to calvinise them. I would not be surprised to see Philly come out of this with a renewed purpose.
I can see this point of view... but I think it's flawed.

They may be a more cohesive team now, but they have a serious lack of weapons on offense. They are a much less dangerous team without TO.

[MrPhil]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.......... :dance:

[Portland Fanatic]

I don't agree with the above. I think Philly is a much worse team with Owens in the lineup. This will serve to calvinise them. I would not be surprised to see Philly come out of this with a renewed purpose.


Without a doubt the players have something to prove...and guess where we are headed Monday night. This game scares me!

[BybeeBlitz]

I hope the 'Boys dont let up none whatsoever now, could be the only negative.

[SkinsandTerps]

There goes LTNs conspiracy theory.

haha.

Seriously though we all had to see it coming. This guy makes Keyshawns issues at Tampa look like a missed block.

[AbeBeta]

So here's what happens -- b/c it always goes down like this. Eagles go in the tank. McNabb opts for surgery with like 4 games left.

Eagles get a decent draft pick next year -- say in the early teens.

Some stud WR falls to them, leaving everyone scratching their heads thinking "wow, how did that guy last so long?"

[Danny White]

They're talking on WIP about having a big TO-jersey bonfire next Monday night.

For at least the next week, I think the team is going to be way more focused on TO-fallout than they will be on the Cowboys... at least the fans will be, and I suspect the team as well.

[Doomsday101]

The guy replacing TO may not be as good right now but Reggie Brown showed he can do the job yesterday with 5 catches for 95 yards and a TD catch and run of 56 yards. Dallas has to look at this upcoming game no different than if TO was there.

[Duane]

Props to the Eagle organization for putting TO in his place. I know it has to be tough to basically throw a season in the toilet by suspending your best player.

[WoodysGirl]

I don't agree with the above. I think Philly is a much worse team with Owens in the lineup. This will serve to calvinise them. I would not be surprised to see Philly come out of this with a renewed purpose.That's certainly one way to look at it. But I'll say this. The team I watched on TV last night, looked very pedestrian. There were several balls that went uncaught where I thought, T.O. would've caught it.

I think there will be an adjustment period where opposing teams will have a chance to roll on Philly. But once they get it together, then yeah I could see them coming together with renewed purpose.


Thing is, even w/T.O. they weren't playing good football. They were showing stats of them last night on ESPNews and the one thing that stood out to me is that their D is giving up alot more points per game than they have in previous years. So it just may not be the offense. It could very well be their D.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Calvinise? Is that some form of conversion to Protestantism?

LOL!!!!!!

Hey, no religious talk on this board homie!

Sorry, I believe what I was trying to say was Galvinize. Wasn't even in the general area though.

:lmao:

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's certainly one way to look at it. But I'll say this. The team I watched on TV last night, looked very pedestrian. There were several balls that went uncaught where I thought, T.O. would've caught it.

I think there will be an adjustment period where opposing teams will have a chance to roll on Philly. But once they get it together, then yeah I could see them coming together with renewed purpose.


Thing is, even w/T.O. they weren't playing good football. They were showing stats of them last night on ESPNews and the one thing that stood out to me is that their D is giving up alot more points per game than they have in previous years. So it just may not be the offense. It could very well be their D.


Good takes WG esp the Defense.

I guess the Loss of Simon as the plug in the middle has really hurt that D.

This year Jimmy Johnsons D is looking nothing like previous years.

[TobiasEagle77]

They're talking on WIP about having a big TO-jersey bonfire next Monday night.

For at least the next week, I think the team is going to be way more focused on TO-fallout than they will be on the Cowboys... at least the fans will be, and I suspect the team as well.
Man, I wish I lived in Philly, just to be at that party.

I don't own a TO jersey, I never considered him an Eagle.

But that's going to be one hell of a party.

[Glenn Carano]

Don't discount the Eagles. I know they're offense does not run the ball and their defense is no playing like it has in years past, but they did make the Super Bowl without TO last year. Don't take this team lightly. There won't be a TO distraction every so often. They may be more focused and a better team w/o TO, addition by subtraction. Who knows?

[DLCassidy]

Reid just read a statement that TO won't play for the Philly agian this season.


Works for me.:D

[joseephuss]

Good takes WG esp the Defense.

I guess the Loss of Simon as the plug in the middle has really hurt that D.

This year Jimmy Johnsons D is looking nothing like previous years.

Their defensive line has changed quite a bit from last season. Simon gone to Indy. Burgess gone to Oakland. McDougle unfortunately shot by some punks. Their quality depth isn't there like it was last season.

[superpunk]

Calvinize? Like a certain cartoon character with a talking stuffed tiger? This could get crazy, LOL.

[scottsp]

The division was there for the taking prior to this newest TO imbroglio. It's there for just about anyone in the division and Dallas is certainly part of that equation. Philly is not the 400 lb. gorilla anymore. They haven't been at any point this season.

[superpunk]

Meh, yours was better, ;-), Guess I should have kept reading, LOL.

[TobiasEagle77]

That's certainly one way to look at it. But I'll say this. The team I watched on TV last night, looked very pedestrian. There were several balls that went uncaught where I thought, T.O. would've caught it.

I think there will be an adjustment period where opposing teams will have a chance to roll on Philly. But once they get it together, then yeah I could see them coming together with renewed purpose.


Thing is, even w/T.O. they weren't playing good football. They were showing stats of them last night on ESPNews and the one thing that stood out to me is that their D is giving up alot more points per game than they have in previous years. So it just may not be the offense. It could very well be their D.
The Eagles aren't playing good football, atleast not good enough.

But TO wouldn't have made a difference last night.

We could pass, with a few notable exceptions. We couldn't run, which is not good. And we couldn't stop Wash. on 3rd and long. Also not good.

But finally ending the TO saga makes me feel FANTASTIC. GO EAGLES!

[Danny White]

Man, I wish I lived in Philly, just to be at that party.

I don't own a TO jersey, I never considered him an Eagle.

But that's going to be one hell of a party.
It was pretty funny being at the Skins/Iggles game last night. I saw TO jerseys turned inside-out... ones with his name x-ed out.

I wanted to make a #4 Favre Eagles jeresy and wear that just for kicks! :D

[Doomsday101]

Don't discount the Eagles. I know they're offense does not run the ball and their defense is no playing like it has in years past, but they did make the Super Bowl without TO last year. Don't take this team lightly. There won't be a TO distraction every so often. They may be more focused and a better team w/o TO, addition by subtraction. Who knows?

I agree with you. Philly in my opinion is still a dangerous team and Dallas better be focused on the game and not get caught up with all of this TO talk. I'm sure the media will be asking our guys about what is going on in Philly

[Verdict]

That's certainly one way to look at it. But I'll say this. The team I watched on TV last night, looked very pedestrian. There were several balls that went uncaught where I thought, T.O. would've caught it.

I think there will be an adjustment period where opposing teams will have a chance to roll on Philly. But once they get it together, then yeah I could see them coming together with renewed purpose.


Thing is, even w/T.O. they weren't playing good football. They were showing stats of them last night on ESPNews and the one thing that stood out to me is that their D is giving up alot more points per game than they have in previous years. So it just may not be the offense. It could very well be their D.

I agree they havent looked that good, with or without T.O. Listening to the announcers last night you would have thought the Eagles were the 1972 Dlophins or the 1985 Bears.

[AbeBeta]

Wow, I'm really proud. Not a single "we should sign TO thread" yet.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think what you see here is guys getting focused in Philly. I really don't buy into the whole no weapons thing. I think McNappie is getting healthier. I think you see guys doubling there efforts. I think you see this whole incident serve as a rally cry for Philly. Remember, were not talking about SuperBowl here. After all, this is the Philidelphia Eagles. Were talking about beating Dallas.Washington and/or NY. That's what we need to be concerned with. The guys suiting up for Philly get paid to play too. There not scrubbs. They have talent. It's simply a question of being able to apply it. Nobody in the NFL is devoid of talent. Some teams simply do a better job of drafting, coaching, or what have you, players that can apply it. I'm more worried about Philly now then I ever was with TO. I'm of the opinion that if Philly can play good defense and special teams, they can be in any game so long as they have McNappie.

[Wheat]

Props to the Eagles for putting this bum down for the year.

Will say this though.... I was in Ocean City (MD) a few weekends ago and saw a guy in a T.O. jersey. I was trying on a Skins hat at a store. He made some "We're coming in a few weeks" joke. My response was "Who do you ask for a refund for that #81?"

felt good.

[joseephuss]

I agree they havent looked that good, with or without T.O. Listening to the announcers last night you would have thought the Eagles were the 1972 Dlophins or the 1985 Bears.

The announcers led me to believe that the Eagles won the game last night.

[Danny White]

But TO wouldn't have made a difference last night.

I don't know how you can say that? They were deep into the red zone at the end of the game, but had no targets (esp with LJ out). With TO in there, he's a major red zone threat.

I think they win that game easily last night with TO. Without him, you have no weapons on offense.

[jbsg02]

His playing days in Phili are over, I just hope we don't sign him.

[Yeagermeister]

Wow, I'm really proud. Not a single "we should sign TO thread" yet.
It's still early :eek:

[2much2soon]

Calvinise? Is that some form of conversion to Protestantism?

ROTFLMAO!!! Best line I have read on this mb in a long time.

Or maybe this is what Calvin Hill does with misbehaving Cowboy players???

[joseephuss]

Wow, I'm really proud. Not a single "we should sign TO thread" yet.

He isn't available to sign. They aren't cutting him this season. Just suspending him for 4 games and then asking him to stay home with pay the other remaining games.

[Danny White]

The odds-on leader for signing TO has to be the Redskins, don't you think?

[JohnsKey19]

This week will truly test Parcells as a HC. He has to convince his team that not only is this Eagles team still dangerous w/out Owens but also that the Cowboys will have to play their best game of the year to get the W.

[TobiasEagle77]

I don't know how you can say that? They were deep into the red zone at the end of the game, but had no targets (esp with LJ out). With TO in there, he's a major red zone threat.

I think they win that game easily last night with TO. Without him, you have no weapons on offense.
Last night, McNabb threw for more yards, and a better rating than his last 3 games.

Against the #1 pass defense.

Without "weapons"

[Doomsday101]

The odds-on leader for signing TO has to be the Redskins, don't you think?

With Gibbs as the HC? I don't think so.

[Doomsday]

I don't agree with the above. I think Philly is a much worse team with Owens in the lineup. This will serve to calvinise them. I would not be surprised to see Philly come out of this with a renewed purpose.

There 10 points proved that last night. :lmao: Twist it anyway you want but the Eagles could not possibly be a better team without one of the best WRs in the league. Team were blitzing the crap out of them with Owens there now that their WRs dont scare anyone it is going to be open season on McNabb. They put up yards last night but couldnt substain it once they got in scoring range.

[Wheat]

Owens to................

Atlanta?
San Diego?
KC?
Jacksonville?
Seattle?

[WoodysGirl]

The odds-on leader for signing TO has to be the Redskins, don't you think?Oakland would be my guess... with Tampa a strong second...

Similar organizational philosophies where anything goes..

[TobiasEagle77]

He can't go anywhere this year. Trading deadline.

Eagles will cut him next year before the roster bonus sets in.

Anyone can have him. Help yourself!

[Rack Bauer]

I don't agree with the above. I think Philly is a much worse team with Owens in the lineup. This will serve to calvinise them. I would not be surprised to see Philly come out of this with a renewed purpose.


I agree 100%. Some people just don't understand the importance of team chemistry.

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree with you. Philly in my opinion is still a dangerous team and Dallas better be focused on the game and not get caught up with all of this TO talk. I'm sure the media will be asking our guys about what is going on in Philly

You're 100% right. I remember us playing a supposed "wounded" SF team at home and we had all the "cards"... HAH! We had our arses handed to us!

[Weber]

TO is the the best receiver in the game when he is on the field. This is a tremendous loss for the eagles...especially with absolutly no running game. I give credit to the eagles for cutting his $%@ because it will kill their offense. If we get Henry back this game is no contest...without Henry...I'm alittle nervous. I don't think there is a football fan in America that isn't happy about this move. Unless your an Eagle fan that only cares about winning games.

I know the eagles are going to come out hoping they can win without TO...but hoping is as far as their going to go.

That news just made my day!!! And I voted that he would be back.:lmao2: :lmao:

[Danny White]

I agree 100%. Some people just don't understand the importance of team chemistry.
I agree with you completely on the chemistry angle... I just think they lack the raw material to compete at the top of the league now.

[WoodysGirl]

from the DMN blog:
A timeout for TO


Philadelphia has booted Terrell Owens for the rest of the season (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/110805dnsponflowens.15319502.html). The gang at Valley Ranch is breathing a whole lot easier now. But don't tell me the Eagles will be better without Owens. They will be a better team - T-E-A-M - but they won't be better on the field.

Yet there is this to remember: they made it to the Super Bowl without him a year ago, so I don't know if they're dead yet.


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[Hoov]

well finally, an end to the circus. now football news up here in philly can more or less be about football. i wonder how long TO will still be talked about every time someone mentions the eagles.

[kingwhicker]

Calvinise? Is that some form of conversion to Protestantism?
Presbyterianism

[Verdict]

The announcers led me to believe that the Eagles won the game last night.

The only thing I can figure is the announcers were touting Philly so highly to make the Skins sound better than they really are.

[JohnsKey19]

Y'all must remember this is the same Philly team that limited LT to only 7 yds rushing in their last home game. So while their D is inconsistent, that effort against SD shows the capability is there. If we allow them to shut down JJ/Barber like that, we're in deep trouble

[Rack Bauer]

I agree with you completely on the chemistry angle... I just think they lack the raw material to compete at the top of the league now.



I disagree. They "Got by" without TO for years. They still have McNabb, Westbrook (one of the most dangerous players in the game), a good recieving TE (LJ Smith), and decent WRs.


They lack the "Superstar" but they still have solid weapons, especially Westbrook.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I disagree. They "Got by" without TO for years. They still have McNabb, Westbrook (one of the most dangerous players in the game), a good recieving TE (LJ Smith), and decent WRs.


They lack the "Superstar" but they still have solid weapons, especially Westbrook.

I agree with you Rack. The whole addition through subtraction works for me on this one. I think TO constintly taking pot shots at everybody served as a huge distraction. Now your going to get Vets singular in purpose and the young guys will follow that example. I'm not saying the Eagles will win the SuperBowl or even make the playoffs. I'm saying this team, possibly for the first time this year, will have one single focus and that can't be a good thing IMO.

[CowboysRule!]

"Addition through subtraction" has got to be one of the stupidest things that people have ever come up with. It only works if a team can make up for losing that extraordinary talent. How did the Vikings do losing Randy Moss?

The Eagles are a flawed team that is nowhere close to being as good as they were in the past because their management's cheapness squandered their window of opportunity. Without T.O., the opposing team's defense simply has to collapse on Westbrook and the Eagles' offense is stifled. Their defense is mediocre because they let quality linemen go rather than pay them as per usual. It is over for the Eagles.

[ABQCOWBOY]

"Addition through subtraction" has got to be one of the stupidest things that people have ever come up with. It only works if a team can make up for losing that extraordinary talent. How did the Vikings do losing Randy Moss?

The Eagles are a flawed team that is nowhere close to being as good as they were in the past because their management's cheapness squandered their window of opportunity. Without T.O., the opposing team's defense simply has to collapse on Westbrook and the Eagles' offense is stifled. Their defense is mediocre because they let quality linemen go rather than pay them as per usual. It is over for the Eagles.

They seem to be getting better. I have a somewhat unique idea here. Lets see what happens in Philly minus TO. Lets also see what happens with the Vikes.

Unless, of course, you feel that the "wait and see" approach is also amoung the stupidest ideas mankind has managed to invent as well.

:cool:

[Doomsday101]

"Addition through subtraction" has got to be one of the stupidest things that people have ever come up with. It only works if a team can make up for losing that extraordinary talent. How did the Vikings do losing Randy Moss?

The Eagles are a flawed team that is nowhere close to being as good as they were in the past because their management's cheapness squandered their window of opportunity. Without T.O., the opposing team's defense simply has to collapse on Westbrook and the Eagles' offense is stifled. Their defense is mediocre because they let quality linemen go rather than pay them as per usual. It is over for the Eagles.

Philly was able to make it to through the playoffs last season without TO. I agree about their defense not looking as dominate and I think that is the biggest disappointment for the eagles.

[SultanOfSix]

I dunno. I think this is all a result of the Eagles front office dispute with TO. If they would have paid him he probably wouldn't be like this. Lurie isn't exactly known as a generous owner. TO may or may not be a bad guy but a lot of everyone is biting on the media's portrayal that he is one. Methinks all the media outlets will be on board with this move. Tow the company line...

[Doomsday101]

I dunno. I think this is all a result of the Eagles front office dispute with TO. If they would have paid him he probably wouldn't be like this. Lurie isn't exactly known as a generous owner. TO may or may not be a bad guy but a lot of everyone is biting on the media's portrayal that he is one. Methinks all the media outlets will be on board with this move. Tow the company line...

After having problems with 2 different teams belittling both his QB's I would think TO is the problem not the other way around.

[joseephuss]

I dunno. I think this is all a result of the Eagles front office dispute with TO. If they would have paid him he probably wouldn't be like this. Lurie isn't exactly known as a generous owner. TO may or may not be a bad guy but a lot of everyone is biting on the media's portrayal that he is one. Methinks all the media outlets will be on board with this move. Tow the company line...

They did pay him. He is one of the top paid receviers in the league. That was the contract he signed and then complained about it after only 1 season.

[SultanOfSix]

I don't think it's as simple as having problems with 2 QBs.

Also, everyone and their mother knows that his contract really isn't for being one of the top paid receivers in the league. Most agents and "those in the know" thought he shouldn't have signed the contract, but he did just to be in Philly.

Yeah, he complains a lot, but the media enjoys putting him down too.

[TheSkaven]

A few things here (too many to quote specific responses) ..

(a) Those of you who want to blame the Eagles' losses on TO are misinformed. The team has problems across the board, depth problems, problems on the o-line, at cornerback (Shepard), a free safety who has lost a step, special teams woes, an injured QB and time management issues just to name a few.

(b) With or without TO, this team is the 4th best team in the division. People who still fear them need to come to grips with the fact that the 2005 Eagles are not the same team as the 2004 Eagles.

(c) The Eagles' "holier than thou" attitude is what got them here in the first place. They revel in being $15 mil under the cap but chose not to re-sign Burgess or Simon, two big reasons their defensive line is having problems.

All in all, they're done, cooked, and not just for this year, but for the next couple of years. They are the 1998 Cowboys, an 8-8 team coming off an impressive run (albeit without any Superbowl victories), a team whose window as closed and will now live in mediocraty until they can rebuild the team again.

[Doomsday101]

I don't think it's as simple as having problems with 2 QBs.

Also, everyone and their mother knows that his contract really isn't for being one of the top paid receivers in the league. Most agents and "those in the know" thought he shouldn't have signed the contract, but he did just to be in Philly.

Yeah, he complains a lot, but the media enjoys putting him down too.

Then he should not have signed the deal. Many teams pay out big money to FA and don't get their money worth out of the player but they still have to pay it out. If any player wants a pay as you go contract I'd be all for it but once you sign your name I expect a player to honor that contract.

[SultanOfSix]

Players' contracts are torn apart for better ones all the time. And it's not like millionaire owners can't afford to pay them.

TO put forth an effort last year when he didn't have to. Maybe he felt that should have showed the organization enough to redo his contract because both him and the organization knew that his contract wasn't really what it was. I'm not a big fan of Lurie either. He's a guy who's shown that he doesn't pay anyone either when push comes to shove, so I don't think he's a saint in all this. He's no JJ.

I'm telling you though, if TO was paid what he wanted, this crap wouldn't be happening. It's just been a slow volcano build up since January and I think this is the main reason, and now it just exploded.

[Doomsday101]

Players' contracts are torn apart for better ones all the time. And it's not like millionaire owners can't afford to pay them.

TO put forth an effort last year when he didn't have to. Maybe he felt that should have showed the organization enough to redo his contract because both him and the organization knew that his contract wasn't really what it was. I'm not a big fan of Lurie either. He's a guy who's shown that he doesn't pay anyone either when push comes to shove, so I don't think he's Mr. Saint.

I'm telling you though, if TO was paid what he wanted, this crap wouldn't be happening. It's just been a slow volcano build up since January and I think this is the main reason, and now it just exploded.

I'm not a fan of Lurie either but after all the stink TO made about not wanting to go to Balt. And whining about wanting to be with McNabb and then getting his wish and then signing the contract I think he should have honored it and shut his damn mouth. Right now I doubt any team is going to take a chance and pay out big money for this guy, his actions will hurt a team and a heavy investment puts a team at his mercy and no one in their right mind would do that at least without some safety net like a behavioral clause. Sorry I fault TO and TO only on this deal.

[ABQCOWBOY]

He's a three time loser in my eyes. I would not invest big capital in him.

[chinch]

the only thing this "calvinises" is a lead in the race for last place in the east for philly.

addition-buy-subtraction works for guys like Ross & Hunter not a pro-bowl WR. LOL.

[SultanOfSix]

Sorry, but I'm not one to blame TO completely, and the Philly organization isn't so angelic that I'm going to say they have no fault in the situation either.

The guy gave it his all in the SB, does so everyday on the football field, and that made me respect him more than I did in the past.

I'm just kind of tired of hearing a one sided, full fledged bashing of a single individual by the powerhouse of the media, i.e. what I call the propaganda machine. When they have an agenda, they really enforce it and don't let up.

[Doomsday101]

Sorry, but I'm not one to blame TO completely, and the Philly organization isn't so angelic that I'm going to say they have no fault in the situation either.

The guy gave it his all in the SB, and does so on the football field, and that made me respect him more than I did in the past.

I'm just kind of tired of hearing a one sided, full fledged bashing of a single individual by the powerhouse of the media, i.e. the propaganda machine. When they have an agenda, they really enforce it and don't let up.

Well maybe if TO did not continue to open his mouth and give them plenty of ammo this would not be happening but the fact is every time TO pops off it only hurts his cause. I don’t feel sorry for the eagles many of us knew what they were getting when they signed this jerk and sure enough problems are once again finding TO.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree with SOS here just a little bit. The Eagles have reeped what they've sown this season. As for TO, well, he'll sit the remainder out and come next season, find it difficult to sign a big bonus contract, IMO.

In my eyes, the only real winner here is Ozzie Newsom. Good for him, I say.

[silverbear]

Sorry, but I'm not one to blame TO completely, and the Philly organization isn't so angelic that I'm going to say they have no fault in the situation either.

The guy gave it his all in the SB, does so everyday on the football field, and that made me respect him more than I did in the past.

I'm just kind of tired of hearing a one sided, full fledged bashing of a single individual by the powerhouse of the media, i.e. what I call the propaganda machine. When they have an agenda, they really enforce it and don't let up.

Never mind that TO has EARNED his reputation, all by himself...

Never mind that he signed a rather large contract LAST YEAR, and is now screaming to have it renegotiated... apparently, he thinks he deserves to be paid like the best receiver in the league, even though his PRODUCTION has not been at a level that would justify such a contract (even in this season, which is his best in years, he is not the best receiver in the league statistically, ranking third in both receptions and receiving yards going into yesterday's play)... over the last 2 years, the guy hasn't even been in the top ten in either category...

Anybody who says "the Iggles should have given TO what he wanted" is simply not paying attention, the guy's not WORTH what he wants...

In fact, if you were to pay him what he's WORTH, he'd owe you money... no player anywhere is worth the hassles this PITA causes...

[SultanOfSix]

Wow. Stats don't tell the whole story for the receiver, especially when the deciding factor of who's throwing him the ball comes into play as well as the surrounding cast on offense. Michael Irvin was never the best receiver in the league statistically, but there wasn't anyone I would take over him, except for maybe Jerry Rice and he was arguably the best receiver in the league ever. And most people I've talked to think TO is currently the best reciever in the league, and even most NFL personnel men think so, regardless of attitude. I don't think he is - I think Randy Moss is when he wants to be, but I think he's a close second if not even.

And it's just silly to say that he would "owe" you money.

[ConcordCowboy]

A few things here (too many to quote specific responses) ..

(a) Those of you who want to blame the Eagles' losses on TO are misinformed. The team has problems across the board, depth problems, problems on the o-line, at cornerback (Shepard), a free safety who has lost a step, special teams woes, an injured QB and time management issues just to name a few.

(b) With or without TO, this team is the 4th best team in the division. People who still fear them need to come to grips with the fact that the 2005 Eagles are not the same team as the 2004 Eagles.

(c) The Eagles' "holier than thou" attitude is what got them here in the first place. They revel in being $15 mil under the cap but chose not to re-sign Burgess or Simon, two big reasons their defensive line is having problems.

All in all, they're done, cooked, and not just for this year, but for the next couple of years. They are the 1998 Cowboys, an 8-8 team coming off an impressive run (albeit without any Superbowl victories), a team whose window as closed and will now live in mediocraty until they can rebuild the team again.


I know..you would hear this every year and I was like so what! Spend the money on any and everything.

What's the sense in having all that money but not winning the Super Bowl?

Granted spending all the money dosen't guarantee a Super bowl win..but why let your window close without going for it all?

I would take a few years of salary cap hell for a few Super Bowls.

They've let to many people leave and made the rest mad by how they handle things....Dosen't make sense to me.

[SA_Gunslinger]

anyone else having one of the best day's of their lives, b/c i sure am!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao:

[NorthDalal]

Calvinize is when you add metal usually a zinc alloy to steel to coat it and make it stronger and Northern European based Protestant thought ends up in the trash can.

[JonJon]

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6734/tokoed5if.png

Philly KOs TO in round 9

[WoodysGirl]

per the dmn blog:

Worldwide Instigators


It's not my line - I wish I was this smart - but ESPN has been dubbed Al-Jazeera for athletes.

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Worldwide Instigators?


ESPN has once again blurred the line between making news and breaking news. The sports cable empire wants the entertaining Michael Irvin to make provocative statements like, "The Eagles would be undefeated if they had Brett Favre."

Then they send an ESPN.com reporter over to run that statement by Eagles receiver Terrell Owens, who agrees with Irvin. Now, you know ESPN was desperately hoping Owens would take the bait - and he did.
That was Thursday.

When the Eagles suspended Owens on Saturday, ESPN removed its "entertainment" cap and started doing some hardcore reporting.
I listened to the ESPN Sunday night crew talk about how awful it was that Owens would say disparaging things about his teammates.

Well, fellas, your network was practically begging him to do it.
Maybe I'm making too much of it, but something about all this stuff is bugging me.

OK, I have to go now because the 5 p.m. SportsCenter is about to start.

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RE: T.O.


I figured this was it for T.O., when Donovan McNabb basically said last night that he'd rather lose without T.O. than win with him. This doesn't make the Eagles a better team, though they might have more fun in the locker room.

They're still going to have to spend all week answering questions about T.O. and the ramifications and it's going to prove to be yet another huge distraction.

Add to that a hobbled McNabb and a defense that's been getting pummeled and the time appears right for the Cowboys to make a stand and end the Eagles' hopes for a sixth consecutive NFC East title.

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[davidyee]

Calvinise? Is that some form of conversion to Protestantism?

... funny! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao:

In all fairness I think he meant "galvanize". :D It's all good here. T.O is sitting at home thinking up his next string of ESPN quotes and we are here discussing religion. :)

[superpunk]

Last night, McNabb threw for more yards, and a better rating than his last 3 games.

Against the #1 pass defense.

Without "weapons"

And that got them a grand total of 10 points. TO is a horrible person, but that's a more dynamic offense when he's in there, with much more scoring ability. Add to that the fact that Andy Reid has forgotten he is allowed to run the ball, and no pass rush, and that equals a long second half for the Iggles.

[TobiasEagle77]

TO wasn't getting them many points either. He especially has never been successful against Shawn Springs.

Andy remembered to run against the Redskins. It didn't work well, but it did set things up some.

The Eagles have consistent "scoring ability" with or without TO - this I can prove.

What TO brings to the table is "big" plays. This I can prove as well. I consider this a blessing, and a bit of a curse.

The Eagles must find a pass-rush, and our second half will indeed be long. I prefer it that way, who wants a "fast" season?

[lspain1]

The Eagles must find a pass-rush, and our second half will indeed be long. I prefer it that way, who wants a "fast" season?


The Cowboys had a "long season" last year. It was painful. I'm guessing the Eagles have already had a long season. You are wondering now just how long it will be.