***Official Tired of Talking TO Thread***

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Link (http://sports.iwon.com/news/11092005/v0423.html?PG=home&SEC=news)

Players Union Asking That Eagles Reinstate Owens After Suspension
By DAVE GOLDBERG

NEW YORK (AP) - The NFL Players Association wants the Philadelphia Eagles to cut Terrell Owens if they're not going to reinstate him after his four-game suspension is over.

"We're not asking them to play him, we can't force them to do that," Gene Upshaw, the NFLPA's executive director, said Wednesday. "But if they're not going to let him come back to practice and do all the other things associated with that, then we want them to cut him, let him become a free agent now."

The union already has appealed the four-game suspension levied on the wide receiver by the Eagles for what coach Andy Reid called "a large number of situations that accumulated over a long period of time."

The appeal will be heard before arbitrator Richard Bloch on Nov. 19.

But Upshaw said that even if the suspension is upheld, the Eagles can't just tell Owens to stay away from the team and its practice facility.

"We are taking the position that's additional punishment," Upshaw told The Associated Press. "It's not fair to a player not to have an additional chance."

Upshaw differentiated between the Eagles' suspension of Owens and Tampa Bay's decision two years ago to make Keyshawn Johnson inactive for the final six games of the season. Johnson signed in 2004 with Dallas, for whom he now plays.

"There was no suspension there. A team has the right to inactivate a player for whatever reason it wants," he said. "But in T.O.'s case, this is a team suspension, not a commissioner's deal. They're different. When we bargained in those rules, there was a reason for it. The most a player can be suspended is four games. You can't go beyond that."

[Duane]

Way to go Gene, make the players union look even worse.

[JDSmith]

A team has the right to inactivate a player for whatever reason it wants

I've always felt that Upshaw was an idiot. This only confirms it.

Edit: Damnit, that's actually a word. I think Upshaw lucked out.

[Fletch]

Gotta love how Upshaw is handling Quincy Carter and T.O. respectively. I don't have too much respect for a man like that. He sure is mucking up the integrity of the game.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Upshaw to Leary: Cummmmoonnnn.............. Just let him go outside and play.

Leary to Upshaw: Go to bed and shut your bedroom door.


What an idiot.

[joseephuss]

Bring back T.O. Let him practice. Let him suit up for games and just don't play him.

There is precedent to pay a player to stay home. The Eagles don't have to change their minds just because Upshaw asks them.

[JDSmith]

Gotta love how Upshaw is handling Quincy Carter and T.O. respectively. I don't have too much respect for a man like that. He sure is mucking up the integrity of the game.

He's like a defense attorney. His job isn't to get guys off who are innocent, it's to get everyone off regardless of their crime.

[JDSmith]

As long as they pay him they can do whatever they want with him. They might have to say that he's not 'suspended' in order to placate Upshaw, but they surely won't have to play TO.

[ABQCOWBOY]

As long as they pay him they can do whatever they want with him. They might have to say that he's not 'suspended' in order to placate Upshaw, but they surely won't have to play TO.


Straight up. This is stupid. The players union can't say about this.

[joseephuss]

I didn't see Upshaw rush to Jeff Robinson's defense when Dallas asked Jeff not to attend team workouts this past off season. :)

[Yeagermeister]

Great they helped him get his way last year so what will stop them now?

When TO doesn't get his way he whines to the union.

[Yeagermeister]

Bring back T.O. Let him practice. Let him suit up for games and just don't play him.

There is precedent to pay a player to stay home. The Eagles don't have to change their minds just because Upshaw asks them.
Nah make him a gunner on punts and nothing else :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't really see what the big deal is here. TO probably wants to work on his round ball game anyhow. I think the CBA season starts the 16th. That's right around the corner.

:)

[blindzebra]

He's like a defense attorney. His job isn't to get guys off who are innocent, it's to get everyone off regardless of their crime.

Actually that is not what a defense attorney's job is supposed to be. It was not designed to get anyone off, it was to make sure they got a fair trial.

Neither side should be about winning, it's supposed to be about justice being served fairly.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually that is not what a defense attorney's job is supposed to be. It was not designed to get anyone off, it was to make sure they got a fair trial.

Neither side should be about winning, it's supposed to be about justice being served fairly.

To me, this whole thing is the epitome of justice. TO gets suspended and then grounded. Philly gets there upcomings for snaking Baltimore to begin with. The world keeps spinning and we pummel Philly, in Philly, this Monday.

How is this not a good deal?

;)

[JDSmith]

Actually that is not what a defense attorney's job is supposed to be. It was not designed to get anyone off, it was to make sure they got a fair trial.

Neither side should be about winning, it's supposed to be about justice being served fairly.

But we all know that what a defense attorney's job is supposed to be, and what a defense attorney actually does are two different things. Guilty people don't want a fair trial, they are guilty, they want someone to get them off. And if a defense attorney wants to eat he's going to get as many of those guilty bastards off as possible, so that he can get more of their business.

[TobiasEagle77]

If the players union get's their way, I wonder what the Eagles options are.

Could they appoint a special coach to work with Owens independently? Effective making him his own team. That's what I'd like to see. They could go off, do some situps in the parking lot, play b-ball, listen to music with their headsets, put on some camo and have a paintball war, practice catching the ball cleanly, practice running routes when you know the ball won't come your way, practice run blocking, right sentences on the chalk board, collectively stroke TO's ego, work on loosening up TO's "groin injury". Whatever they want, as long as it keeps him away from the rest of the team.

[Doomsday101]

If the players union get's their way, I wonder what the Eagles options are.

Could they appoint a special coach to work with Owens independently? Effective making him his own team. That's what I'd like to see. They could go off, do some situps in the parking lot, play b-ball, listen to music with their headsets, put on some camo and have a paintball war, practice catching the ball cleanly, practice running routes when you know the ball won't come your way, practice run blocking, right sentences on the chalk board, collectively stroke TO's ego, work on loosening up TO's "groin injury". Whatever they want, as long as it keeps him away from the rest of the team.

Even the union rep has admitted that they can't force the eagles to activate him on game day. They can allow him to come back to practice and team meetings but Reid still controls who is active on game day and who sits.

[joseephuss]

Even the union rep has admitted that they can't force the eagles to activate him on game day. They can allow him to come back to practice and team meetings but Reid still controls who is active on game day and who sits.

They could let him come back. It would then just be a matter of time before he did something that would allow Philly to suspend him without pay again.

[TheSkaven]

Bring back T.O. Let him practice. Let him suit up for games and just don't play him. I think they should bring him back, make him active and force him to play on special teams only. That'd be fun.

:lmao:

[TonyS]

Wouldn't cutting him mid-season make a huge influence on their salary cap? I wouldn't think any sane GM would do such a thing.

TO chose the spot, TO dug the hole, TO buried himself, now TO needs to lie there until March. "I live for this!"

[Jimz31]

And people wonder why TO is a jerk when it comes to getting his way?!?!?!?!?!

He got his way when he shouldn't have to begin with....he should be with the Ravens. The NFL backed him when another players agent did THE EXACT SAME THING and screwed up his FA....he forgot to send the paperwork in as well. Yet, they only waived it for TO.

The 49er's gave him his way at every turn.....now, the Union is trying to help him out.

No wonder he has a feeling of "Give it to me....I derserve it....I'm the good guy in this....".

Message to Eagles brass: Stick to your guns!

[joseephuss]

Wouldn't cutting him mid-season make a huge influence on their salary cap? I wouldn't think any sane GM would do such a thing.

They have plenty of room to absorb the cap hit. More than likely, he would be cut once the off season hit and absorb the same hit. They won't wait until June 1st to carry it over. In fact, they could save money by cutting him now. Any team that signed him would pick up the rest of his base salary for the season.

[Fletch]

Just looking at this awesome board and I noticed 7 of the first 10 threads have either something to do with T.O. or the Iggles in general. :rolleyes:

Can't we just merge all these Iggle threads into one massive thread? Or better yet, let's just create another message board for all Iggle banter.

:bang2:

[Duane]

Eagles are our next opponent. If they Redskins were next we'd have Redskin posts on the main board.

[1fisher]

Just looking at this awesome board and I noticed 7 of the first 10 topics have either something to do with T.O. or the Iggles in general. :rolleyes:


Sad indeed........ Where the heck is Phoenix Talon??? Tobias seems to be the only bird lurking..... I figured there would be some pretty good smack talk going on leading up to the game..... oh well, too many distractions I guess. :D

[silver]

merge this thread too

[TobiasEagle77]

The Cowboys play the Eagles on MNF. I imagine that has something to do with it. But I'm 100% behind you on merging TO threads. The Cowboys will not face TO on MNF, so he is rather irrelevant.

[sacase]

Any player who pays his dues is entitled to representation by the players union reguardless of what happend.

I think the problem the Players union has is that they are suspending him for 4 games then making him inactive. I don't think it owul dhave been an issue if they would not have suspended him for the four games. It is like a double punishment. Kinda makes sense. But hey. NOT MY PROBLEM.

[Danny White]

I think TO is going to win at least a partial battle with his grievance.

While I think his conduct has been detrimental to the team, I think it's going to be hard for the team to make that charge stick... plus, TO will trot out all the reasons why the Eagles antagonized the situation (sending Douglas in to "send him a message" was a huge mistake).

In the end, I think TO will end up getting at least a portion of the money he's losing because of this suspension.

[Houstonboys13]

:lmao2: merge this thread too

After we crush the Eagles on Monday night, we won't need to talk about them anymore.

[StanleySpadowski]

I usually despise unions as a general rule, but in this case the union has a legitimate grievance. They collectively bargained a de facto double jeopardy like clause into the agreement.

The maximum penalty is a four game suspension without pay. One could reasonably argue that Keyshawn Johnson's penalty of suspension with pay was a lesser punishment. If Owens is indeed suspended for the four games, any other punishment in addition to that violates the agreement.

I do agree that the Eagles can inactivate Owens for the remainder of the season even after the suspension, but I do believe that he is entitled to other benefits such as access to the Eagles' medical staff and training facilities, any per diems etc. that any other Eagle receives.

[Doomsday101]

Any player who pays his dues is entitled to representation by the players union reguardless of what happend.

I think the problem the Players union has is that they are suspending him for 4 games then making him inactive. I don't think it owul dhave been an issue if they would not have suspended him for the four games. It is like a double punishment. Kinda makes sense. But hey. NOT MY PROBLEM.

Eagles can simply point to the TB situation with Keyshawn.

[trickblue]

Eagles can simply point to the TB situation with Keyshawn.

I've never had a situation with Key!!!

[TobiasEagle77]

Where the heck is Phoenix Talon???
Wherever he is, I'm sure he'll check in shortly. Be careful what you wish for, I'm sure he'll give you some smack talk atleast... if you can call it that.

[Doomsday101]

I've never had a situation with Key!!!

I was talking about Terry Bradshaw. LOL

[ABQCOWBOY]

To what ends? If it comes down to it, the Eagles can have him shagg punts all day. TO is not going to want to do this. This is all about PR for TOs next victum. If the truth be known, Owens is probably fine just sitting home playing x-box for the remainder.

[WoodysGirl]

Wherever he is, I'm sure he'll check in shortly. Be careful what you wish for, I'm sure he'll give you some smack talk atleast... if you can call it that.~snicker~ Eagles' fan fight on a Cowboys board... :D

j/k

Most of the threads originated from official news sources, so there's no need to merge all the monster threads, IMO. If they were all opinion-based, then I would see the need for it. Eventually when they're not as much of a hot-topic, then they'll be moved.

[braw]

But we all know that what a defense attorney's job is supposed to be, and what a defense attorney actually does are two different things. Guilty people don't want a fair trial, they are guilty, they want someone to get them off. And if a defense attorney wants to eat he's going to get as many of those guilty bastards off as possible, so that he can get more of their business.


I can't believe a person who can't stand someone( TO) yet in almost every thread associated with him you have voiced your opinion. You have been screaming it from the roof tops.

You remind me of one of the characters in the movie "12 Angry Men". The one who says thats kids don't appreciate anything and wanted to condemn the "guilty" kid.

Mr. Upshaw is the head of the players union, his job is to make sure that players get a fair treatment from the owners(the guys with the money and power) but I know You think players get paid to much more than us common folk. Yet if one of the owners woke up with TO money he would probably not like that very much. If you think TO makes money trust me when I tell you its a small portion of what influence, power, and money an owner has yet fans always complain about what the player makes.

Thats called institutionalized thinking.

[1fisher]

Wherever he is, I'm sure he'll check in shortly. Be careful what you wish for, I'm sure he'll give you some smack talk atleast... if you can call it that.

I'm not wishing for anything.... just wondering where PT is.....

Not too much to "smack" about if you're an eagle fan..

I saw a guy wearing an Eagle t-shirt at Lowes today...... He was parked next to me and I have Cowboy decals all over my truck. I just looked and smiled!!!!
Shoulda yelled out: "HOW 'BOUT THEM COWBOYS"...... :lmao2:


:starspin

[sacase]

Eagles can simply point to the TB situation with Keyshawn.

However key was not suspended for four games. That is the important piece of information. What they are saying is it is a double penalty. Being suspended and being made inactive.

I don't think that TO wants to get cut right now anyways that means the waiver wire and that means the worst teams get first shot at him.

[Doomsday101]

However key was not suspended for four games. That is the important piece of information. What they are saying is it is a double penalty. Being suspended and being made inactive.

I don't think that TO wants to get cut right now anyways that means the waiver wire and that means the worst teams get first shot at him.

Vaid point, I will say the NFLPA could make them being TO back but they can't make them play him. At this point I think it is highly unlikely T.O. will ever play a down with Philly

[Yeagermeister]

I'm not wishing for anything.... just wondering where PT is.....

Not too much to "smack" about if you're an eagle fan..

I saw a guy wearing an Eagle t-shirt at Lowes today...... He was parked next to me and I have Cowboy decals all over my truck. I just looked and smiled!!!!
Shoulda yelled out: "HOW 'BOUT THEM COWBOYS"...... :lmao2:


:starspin
Did you have your foam fingers with you? :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

Vaid point, I will say the NFLPA could make them being TO back but they can't make them play him. At this point I think it is highly unlikely T.O. will ever play a down with Philly


To me, this whole thing is BS. TO doesn't want to come back if he's not going to play.

Think about it. If your TO, what is the reason for practicing? Your getting paid either way so why do it? Drew Rosenhorsesass won't want him there either. Lets say Philly sticks him on the kickoff return/punt return team. TO gets hurt and what is the upside? TO gets hurt seriously and there screwed. All for what? No, this is Bovinian Scatoligy.

There will be a few more tremors before the body actually grows cold but for the most part, this thing is done IMO.

[JDSmith]

I can't believe a person who can't stand someone( TO) yet in almost every thread associated with him you have voiced your opinion. You have been screaming it from the roof tops.

You remind me of one of the characters in the movie "12 Angry Men". The one who says thats kids don't appreciate anything and wanted to condemn the "guilty" kid.

Mr. Upshaw is the head of the players union, his job is to make sure that players get a fair treatment from the owners(the guys with the money and power) but I know You think players get paid to much more than us common folk. Yet if one of the owners woke up with TO money he would probably not like that very much. If you think TO makes money trust me when I tell you its a small portion of what influence, power, and money an owner has yet fans always complain about what the player makes.

Thats called institutionalized thinking.

Actually, I have posted in 2 threads. I'd hardly call that shouting from the rooftops considering that there have been literally dozens of threads about him recently. I also find it interesting that you 'know' how I feel about player salaries. I have never begrudged any player for what he earns, and I'm sure if you felt compelled you could do some searches of the archives and find that out. I think you were just looking for an excuse to go off on your tangent about institutionalized thinking, maybe you just learned about it and felt compelled to show off - who knows?

[AbeBeta]

you folks make me laugh. this is the union's job. they represent the players and get a cut of player salaries to do so.

any action a team takes against a player -- any action involving that player not getting their salary -- is subject to the grievance process.

the union is not taking TOs side so much as they are making this action subject to a hearing with the league office. the Eagles decided to suspend TO -- the union grieves and the hearing decides whether the Eagles' actions are justified.

[1fisher]

Did you have your foam fingers with you? :D

I didn't but next time I will...... I bought two helmet decals and I'm debating on wheather I should put them on the helmet I have or stick them on my truck?!??!?!

Fridays are casual days at our office and you can bet I will be decked in silver and blue!!!!!

[cobra]

Just thought I'd ask because so many star idolators seem interested in discussing a worthless slimebag instead of a team.

I thought this was cowboyszone.com; a website for the football team in Dallas.

The vast majority of the threads appear to be confused people who are fans of Madden/fantasy football/"superstars" as opposed to this team and feel it necessary to constantly discuss some scumbag who has never nor will ever be on this team.

Can we get back to discussing the team and leave the wet dreams of a bunch of kids out of it? If I wanted read that tripe, I'd go to tHuGZ.cOm or whatever crap these people read. At the very least, can we move all discussions of other players to the NFL forum instead of it cluttering here since this guy has nothing to do with the Cowboys?

Please. I, for one, would be greatly appreciative with this change.

[cobra]

Yikes. How ironic. I just made a similar complaint thread. Doh!

[fortdick]

But it so much fun to see the Iggles going through this. It is really fun to say "I told you so!"

[TobiasEagle77]

I'm not wishing for anything.... just wondering where PT is.....

Not too much to "smack" about if you're an eagle fan..
Oh I'll give you some smack alright, when I'm ready to. Before the game for sure.

PT is alright with me, just a little bit odd. He's told me that he thinks I'm odd too, so I think we're OK.

[Juke99]

We extend lattitude when people want to discuss an upcoming opponent and therefore allow "non Cowboy" talk on the main forum because it is, in fact, our next opponent.

I'd suggest next time, if you don't like the threads, don't read them. It's not that difficult. :D

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I know you were expecting this answer, so Ill say it first


This is another thread on Owens too, your not helping.
You coulda made a thread about Newman being so damn good or something

[luvtheboys]

I don't think that TO wants to get cut right now anyways that means the waiver wire and that means the worst teams get first shot at him.

I could be wrong, but as a vested veteran I think that he is not subject to waivers. I think he would become a free agent and could sign with any team.

[LaTunaNostra]

Frankly, I hate TO so much I need at least another two days of venting to get it all out of my system.

By Friday it will be time to turn attention to the rest of the Eagles, like that smug head coach who needs that self-satisfied smirk wiped off his face for the rest of the season.

[joseephuss]

I could be wrong, but as a vested veteran I think that he is not subject to waivers. I think he would become a free agent and could sign with any team.

Chris Mortenson mentioned that topic on the radio the other day. That is how it works before the trade dead line. After the trade dead line, any player has to go through waivers wether they are a vested veteran or not.

[AbeBeta]

hold on. we are so sick of talking about TO that we need a thread about how sick we are of talking about him?

[jimmy4713]

There are SEVEN TO and Eagle realted threads in the forum currently. Let's not obsess over these clowns. :)

[Big Country]

Eagles are our next opponent. If they Redskins were next we'd have Redskin posts on the main board.


no not SEVEN threads we wouldn't... sorry I'm with Fletch... oughta be merged

:rolleyes:

[Juke99]

hold on. we are so sick of talking about TO that we need a thread about how sick we are of talking about him?


On the nosey!

It's kinda silly.

Ya know, if I walk past a hammer, I don't pick it up, whack myself over the head with it and them blame it on the hammer.

If someone doesn't want to read a TO thread, it's not that difficult to simply bypass that thread.

[BARRYRAY]

The lawyer in me says the union is right, they will have to pay him if he's inactive, they're trying to punish him beyond the four games, Keyshawn was sent home without pay, while you can argue about what's "right", it's more about what's legal under the collective bargaining agreement, bet they end up doing what TB did if they really don't want him back..

[WoodysGirl]

On the nosey!

It's kinda silly.

Ya know, if I walk past a hammer, I don't pick it up, whack myself over the head with it and them blame it on the hammer.

If someone doesn't want to read a TO thread, it's not that difficult to simply bypass that thread.I don't know, Juke. I've heard you like pain... ;) :p:

[cobra]

Juke, that is fine when there is one or two. But its getting ridiculous. We have had a good 50 threads about this one player on a forum dedicated to discussions about a team he isn't even on which exists on a website dedicated to a team that he is not nor will ever be on.

You made other forums on this website for talk about other NFL players and teams.

But this forum, designed to discuss Cowboys is awash with threads about him. It becomes increasingly difficult to sift through the noise to find threads about the team, and to be honest, we shouldn't have to sift through anything on this message board.

"Just skip it" doesn't work when it requires one to skip half the threads.

[WoodysGirl]

My opinion. Don't like the threads being discussed. Create one. One that is Cowboy-related. Pretty simple to me.

Me, I'd just go find another article... :)

[cobra]

We extend lattitude when people want to discuss an upcoming opponent and therefore allow "non Cowboy" talk on the main forum because it is, in fact, our next opponent.

Can I infer from this comment that come next Tuesday, after the game is over, we will be deleting or moving any such "T.O. to Dallas" thread based on the reasoning you are permitting them now?

(Of course, I would vote for banning, tar and feathering, drawn and quartering, and drowning people in the sea of my burning contempt for those who post such things. But deleting and moving can do.)

[dbair1967]

Just looking at this awesome board and I noticed 7 of the first 10 threads have either something to do with T.O. or the Iggles in general. :rolleyes:

Can't we just merge all these Iggle threads into one massive thread? Or better yet, let's just create another message board for all Iggle banter.

:bang2:

I agree...I almost created this same thread yesterday...hearing about this clown constantly and seeing thread after thread created to talk about him is real OLD

David

[Juke99]

I don't know, Juke. I've heard you like pain... ;) :p:



I'm a moderator, ain't I? :D

[Doomsday101]

To me, this whole thing is BS. TO doesn't want to come back if he's not going to play.

Think about it. If your TO, what is the reason for practicing? Your getting paid either way so why do it? Drew Rosenhorsesass won't want him there either. Lets say Philly sticks him on the kickoff return/punt return team. TO gets hurt and what is the upside? TO gets hurt seriously and there screwed. All for what? No, this is Bovinian Scatoligy.

There will be a few more tremors before the body actually grows cold but for the most part, this thing is done IMO.

I agree I don't think he is coming back and I know the eagles are not interested in having him come back.

[AbeBeta]

The lawyer in me says the union is right, they will have to pay him if he's inactive, they're trying to punish him beyond the four games, Keyshawn was sent home without pay, while you can argue about what's "right", it's more about what's legal under the collective bargaining agreement, bet they end up doing what TB did if they really don't want him back..

This is more correctly about making a preemptive move against the Eagles -- they may want to recover some of TO's signing bonus -- that would be the only way the Eagles could keep money past the 4 game suspension.

and you know the union is going to fight signing bonus give backs -- regardless of the player.

[Juke99]

Can I infer from this comment that come next Tuesday, after the game is over, we will be deleting or moving any such "T.O. to Dallas" thread based on the reasoning you are permitting them now?

(Of course, I would vote for banning, tar and feathering, drawn and quartering, and drowning people in the sea of my burning contempt for those who post such things. But deleting and moving can do.)


No...you can't infer that about a "TO to Dallas" thread....because it's still Cowboy related.

On the other hand...anything having to do with TO that is not Cowboy related, just as with any other player, should be posted in the NFL Zone.

Honestly, I don't understand what the big deal is. It's news right now...it'll vanish in a short period of time.

Is this any different that the QC vs Hutch threads that went on forever? The board was ultimatly battling over two guys who would eventually be out of the NFL. I found that MUCH more disturbing than a week's worth of TO threads.

:)

[AbeBeta]

On the nosey!

It's kinda silly.

Ya know, if I walk past a hammer, I don't pick it up, whack myself over the head with it and them blame it on the hammer.

If someone doesn't want to read a TO thread, it's not that difficult to simply bypass that thread.

just pointing out the irony.

I've learned that irony and sarcasm need to be explicitly pointed out to some of the ijits on this board.

[1fisher]

Just thought I'd ask because so many star idolators seem interested in discussing a worthless slimebag instead of a team.

I thought this was cowboyszone.com; a website for the football team in Dallas.

The vast majority of the threads appear to be confused people who are fans of Madden/fantasy football/"superstars" as opposed to this team and feel it necessary to constantly discuss some scumbag who has never nor will ever be on this team.

Can we get back to discussing the team and leave the wet dreams of a bunch of kids out of it? If I wanted read that tripe, I'd go to tHuGZ.cOm or whatever crap these people read. At the very least, can we move all discussions of other players to the NFL forum instead of it cluttering here since this guy has nothing to do with the Cowboys?

Please. I, for one, would be greatly appreciative with this change.

Guess what??? You have the option to read the threads you want to read. If you don't like the subject then I suggest you don't open it!!!!!

Oh, and by the way, I have NEVER played Madden. So, I'm not one of the confused ones you referred to! Move along and read something else! :D

[1fisher]

There are SEVEN TO and Eagle realted threads in the forum currently. Let's not obsess over these clowns. :)

With only 26 posts it looks like you are not obsessing over anything..... :lmao2:

[1fisher]

Can I infer from this comment that come next Tuesday, after the game is over, we will be deleting or moving any such "T.O. to Dallas" thread based on the reasoning you are permitting them now?

(Of course, I would vote for banning, tar and feathering, drawn and quartering, and drowning people in the sea of my burning contempt for those who post such things. But deleting and moving can do.)

My suggestion would be to go to another board, :lmao2: turn on ESPN, listen to talk radio....... or shut up and move on.....

[1fisher]

Oh I'll give you some smack alright, when I'm ready to. Before the game for sure.

PT is alright with me, just a little bit odd. He's told me that he thinks I'm odd too, so I think we're OK.

To quote PT............. Bring it!!! :D

[big dog cowboy]

With only 26 posts it looks like you are not obsessing over anything..... :lmao2:
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[1fisher]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[AtlCB]

The lawyer in me says the union is right, they will have to pay him if he's inactive, they're trying to punish him beyond the four games, Keyshawn was sent home without pay, while you can argue about what's "right", it's more about what's legal under the collective bargaining agreement, bet they end up doing what TB did if they really don't want him back..Keyshawn was sent home with pay. The Eagles are trying to send T.O. without pay for four weeks and are paying him his weekly paycheck afterwards even though he is inactive. T.O.'s money is guaranteed (except for four games due to suspension) whether the Eagles cut him or make him inactive.

[Juke99]

just pointing out the irony.

I've learned that irony and sarcasm need to be explicitly pointed out to some of the ijits on this board.


Oh, I know...I was simply agreeing.

[stag hunter]

Bring back T.O. Let him practice. Let him suit up for games and just don't play him.

There is precedent to pay a player to stay home. The Eagles don't have to change their minds just because Upshaw asks them.

Why would you go through the trouble of having TO around and being a distraction and then throwing out the only benefit of his presence, which is his performance on the field?

[TobiasEagle77]

I'm tired of talking about being tired of talking about tio :(

[Cbz40]

I'm tired of talking about being tired of talking about tio :(


I bet you are......There is nothing worse that being sick and tired of being sick and tired. :Wink:

[The30YardSlant]

Terrell Owens once walked down the street with a massive erection. There were no survivors.

Terrell Owens can win a game of Monopoly without owning any property.

There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Terrell Owens allows to live.

In an average living room there are 1,242 objects Terrell Owens could use to kill you, including the room itself.

Terrell Owens is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

Terrell Owens once beat Super Mario Bros 3 without even touching his Nintendo controller. He just yelled at his TV in between bites of his "Filet of Child" sandwich, and the game beat itself out of fear.

Terrell Owens can set ants on fire with a magnifying glass. At night.

Terrell Owens has two speeds: walk and kill.

When Terrell Owens jumps into a body of water, he doesn't get wet. The water gets Terrell instead.

Terrell Owens was the hunter who shot Bambi's Mother. He then wore her carcass like it was a coat while he made his rounds at the local children's hospital.

Terrell Owens coined the phrase, "I could eat a Horse" after he ate every last unicorn in existence.

It takes 14 puppeteers to make Terrell Owens smile, but only 2 to make him destroy an orphanage.

Terrell Owens is not lactose intolerant, he just refuses to put up with lactose's shiate.

On his birthday, Terrell Owens randomly selects one lucky child to be thrown into the sun.

You are what you eat. That is why Terrell Owens' diet consists entirely of bricks, steel, and the tears of small children.

When Terrell Owens runs with scissors, other people get hurt.

Magnetic compasses do not point toward true North - they point in the direction of Terrell Owens. He just likes to sit on a lawn chair and shout, "Jackets are for *******!" at the Acrtic researchers.

In fine print at on the last page of the Guiness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Terrell Owens, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone has ever come to matching him.

Terrell Owens can divide by zero.

Terrell Owens invented cancer because he was tired of killing off people one by one.

During a stay at Neverland Ranch in the 80's, Terrell Owens was awoken by Michael Jackson who was trying to sneak into his bed. Terrell punched Jackson so hard that he knocked the black right off of him.

[dback]

Very nice...I wish I could divide by zero.

[notherbob]

Terrell can't take credit for all of it, some of the credit goes to his parents, who could obviously multiply by zero. :D

[Irving Cowboy]

Terrell Owens once walked down the street with a massive erection. There were no survivors.

Terrell Owens can win a game of Monopoly without owning any property.

There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Terrell Owens allows to live.

In an average living room there are 1,242 objects Terrell Owens could use to kill you, including the room itself.

Terrell Owens is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

Terrell Owens once beat Super Mario Bros 3 without even touching his Nintendo controller. He just yelled at his TV in between bites of his "Filet of Child" sandwich, and the game beat itself out of fear.

Terrell Owens can set ants on fire with a magnifying glass. At night.

Terrell Owens has two speeds: walk and kill.

When Terrell Owens jumps into a body of water, he doesn't get wet. The water gets Terrell instead.

Terrell Owens was the hunter who shot Bambi's Mother. He then wore her carcass like it was a coat while he made his rounds at the local children's hospital.

Terrell Owens coined the phrase, "I could eat a Horse" after he ate every last unicorn in existence.

It takes 14 puppeteers to make Terrell Owens smile, but only 2 to make him destroy an orphanage.

Terrell Owens is not lactose intolerant, he just refuses to put up with lactose's shiate.

On his birthday, Terrell Owens randomly selects one lucky child to be thrown into the sun.

You are what you eat. That is why Terrell Owens' diet consists entirely of bricks, steel, and the tears of small children.

When Terrell Owens runs with scissors, other people get hurt.

Magnetic compasses do not point toward true North - they point in the direction of Terrell Owens. He just likes to sit on a lawn chair and shout, "Jackets are for *******!" at the Acrtic researchers.

In fine print at on the last page of the Guiness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Terrell Owens, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone has ever come to matching him.

Terrell Owens can divide by zero.

Terrell Owens invented cancer because he was tired of killing off people one by one.

During a stay at Neverland Ranch in the 80's, Terrell Owens was awoken by Michael Jackson who was trying to sneak into his bed. Terrell punched Jackson so hard that he knocked the black right off of him.
You forgot how he invented sliced bread.

[1fisher]

I can't believe I just read that junk.......... did you write that or C&P?

[adbutcher]

I can't believe I just read that junk.......... did you write that or C&P?
:hammer:

[Erik_H]

However key was not suspended for four games. That is the important piece of information. What they are saying is it is a double penalty. Being suspended and being made inactive.

I don't think that TO wants to get cut right now anyways that means the waiver wire and that means the worst teams get first shot at him.

But it's not a double penalty, after the four games are up, he'll get his paychecks.

[SultanOfSix]

I would like to know what exactly is "conduct detrimental to the team." For example, was sexboat escapade of the Vikings "conduct detrimental to the team," or is that something that is subject to enforcement only when the team says it is?

I'd like to know how the Eagles would prove something like this and what exactly TO did to have his actions fit under this label.

[CrazyCowboy]

Owens is gone, but talk still centers on him

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Life after Hank Fraley began for the Eagles yesterday.

All right, so nobody actually asked anybody in the Eagles' locker room about how they're going to handle playing the second half of the season without their starting center. On a normal day in a normal football season, the news of Fraley's season-ending shoulder surgery to repair a torn left rotator cuff would probably qualify as the top story.

Normal, of course, has not set foot in the Eagles' locker room this season. The Eagles are hoping for its return now that No. 81 - old what's-his-name - has been exiled to his off-season home in Atlanta.

Coach Andy Reid held a team meeting and conducted a closed practice at the NovaCare Complex for the first time since Monday's decision to essentially fire wide receiver Terrell Owens for insubordination.

The coach's message beforehand?

"He said some things, but it wasn't anything different from what [Brian] Dawkins, Donovan [McNabb], Jeremiah [Trotter] or myself has said," defensive end Jevon Kearse said. "It's the second half of the season, the distractions are out of the way, and now it's time to play football. No more excuses now, and whatever happens happens."

Dawkins, McNabb and Trotter all opted not to speak to reporters yesterday. Dawkins and McNabb will be available today in the auditorium at the NovaCare Complex.

Trotter addressed the media with six words: "I am not talking about T.O."

Cornerback Sheldon Brown, who is emerging as a team mouthpiece in the same manner as his mentor, former Eagles cornerback Troy Vincent, took management's side when asked whether Owens should be brought back after apologizing Tuesday in front of his Moorestown home.

"That's the organization," Brown said. "I stand behind them 100 percent. I don't know how much a man can take. I think Andy's been fair. He's given a lot of opportunities, and I'm pretty sure if [Owens] gave us that apology when he had the opportunity before we went to Washington, then he would still be here today."

Owens always maintained he had friends and supporters inside the Eagles' locker room and confirmation of that came from Greg Lewis, who, as a fellow wide receiver, spent as much time as anyone hanging around with Owens.

"I consider him a friend of mine, and he thinks the same of me," Lewis said. "It was an unfortunate situation, but he's not here any longer, so we need to do what everybody expects us to do, which is make plays when given the opportunity. He taught us a lot when he was here. I wish him the best. We've talked, and he wished us good luck. We can all learn from it and move on."

Lewis said Reid added "a few new wrinkles" to the offense during practice. He also said that he didn't think that the Eagles have a No. 1 receiver in T.O.'s absence, but that they still have enough weapons to put points on the board.

Truth be told, the offense was struggling as much with Owens in the last month as it did in Sunday night's loss against the Redskins without him. In Owens' final three games, the Eagles scored just four touchdowns and went 1-2. He scored two of the four touchdowns. Rookie Reggie Brown, who replaced Owens in the lineup Sunday, scored the Eagles' only touchdown against the Redskins on a 56-yard reception.

"I wouldn't say we're better with him or without him," Lewis said. "He was a good player when he was here, and he did what he was supposed to do when he was on the field. He taught us a lot and we picked up a lot of things he does. Now, we have to go use what we learned from him."

Kearse and tight end L.J. Smith both believe the Eagles can recover from their 4-4 first half and salvage this season, which started with the dream of returning to the Super Bowl.

"We still have the second half of the season," Smith said. "People are looking at us as 0-8 instead of 4-4. I still think we can make a run at it. We have the talent to do it, and it's about going on the field and doing it."

The Eagles will not have to wait long to find out whether they are still a contender. If they don't beat the Dallas Cowboys on Monday night, they will drop to 4-5 overall, 0-3 in the NFC East, and 1-4 against conference opponents.

"The T.O. thing is in the past now, and we have another half of the season to play," Kearse said. "There's only one way to get people's minds off talking about T.O. We have to go out and win ball games and show them that we're the Philadelphia Eagles, not the Philadelphia Terrell Owenses."

[REDVOLUTION]

I have a serious question... I am prepared to take a lickin' for it... but it begs to be answered....

IF Terrell Owens came to Dallas and straightened out and helped with 1-3 Super Bowls... would we really all be hating... I know that Keyshawn is not T.O. but alot had reservations about him going to Dallas....

If T.O. = Super Bowls... can we live with that?

Yo, Aaaaaadrian!

[lurkercowboy]

If TO came and we won 3 super bowls with him playing a dominant role, then yes, I would forgive him. But only if he went out and kissed the star before every home game.

[Doomsday101]

I have a serious question... I am prepared to take a lickin' for it... but it begs to be answered....

IF Terrell Owens came to Dallas and straightened out and helped with 1-3 Super Bowls... would we really all be hating... I know that Keyshawn is not T.O. but alot had reservations about him going to Dallas....

If T.O. = Super Bowls... can we live with that?

Yo, Aaaaaadrian!

That is a big IF you’re talking about. Should some day TO mature into a man and stop acting like a little punk then sure he could be forgiven regardless if he was a Cowboy or not. Thing about a team sport it is easy to get along when everything is going great but you find the guys you can count on when the going gets tough. That is why I have the utmost respect for a guy like Ellis who has spent the majority of his career playing on a team that has struggled but has remained positive through out

[dbair1967]

I have a serious question... I am prepared to take a lickin' for it... but it begs to be answered....

IF Terrell Owens came to Dallas and straightened out and helped with 1-3 Super Bowls... would we really all be hating... I know that Keyshawn is not T.O. but alot had reservations about him going to Dallas....

If T.O. = Super Bowls... can we live with that?

Yo, Aaaaaadrian!

he wont...he hasnt helped any other team win a super bowl...he didnt even play last yr in the playoffs to help Philly GET to the super bowl

you people that think TO is going to suddenly become a good citizen and great team guy to come help us (or anyone) are high as a freaking kite

there is ZERO hope for this clown...please give it up...I want nothing to do with a pathetic team cancer like this on our team

David

[CosmicCowboy]

If TO, was to come to Dallas..and become a real 'team-mate' here...well that would be the biggest 'turnaround'..in sports history..well since 'Rene Richards'....IMO.

[Kangaroo]

Bring back T.O. Let him practice. Let him suit up for games and just don't play him.

There is precedent to pay a player to stay home. The Eagles don't have to change their minds just because Upshaw asks them.

Nope set TO with a personal training time from 3am to 6am and then he has to be off the premises and deactivate him for games etc etc.

The team can do things like that and still be in compliance :lmao2:

[Next_years_Champs]

If TO, was to come to Dallas..and become a real 'team-mate' here...well that would be the biggest 'turnaround'..in sports history..well since 'Rene Richards'....IMO.


I hate to tell you this but most of these people probably have no idea who Rene Richards is. Your giving away you age LOL !!!!

I've stayed out of all these TO threads because I think the guy is a wasted space and discussing him is a waste of time and effort. I personally think this team is a year from being Super Bowl ready because of the personel turnover and the coordination and timing it takes to play at the Super Bowl level.

But if this team manages to mature this year and make its way into the Super Bowl, That will happen because of positive chemistry in the locker room since I feel the talent is here. TO brings nothing but talent and bad chemistry, something that will only hurt this team in its current state of development.

[REDVOLUTION]

Could it be that T.O. did that star thing because he is jealous and envious of the Cowboys and really wants to be a Cowboy... he thought McNabb was real deal... not knowing that he wasnt and that Reid wasnt.... but probably coming to the realization that BP and Cowboys are for real... Deep down the guy wants to win a SB... IMO

[Doomsday101]

Could it be that T.O. did that star thing because he is jealous and envious of the Cowboys and really wants to be a Cowboy... he thought McNabb was real deal... not knowing that he wasnt and that Reid wasnt.... but probably coming to the realization that BP and Cowboys are for real... Deep down the guy wants to win a SB... IMO

Every player in the NFL wants to win a SB but not all act like an idiot.

[Falcon]

Just say NO to TO.

[CactusCowboy]

f*** T.O., just say NO!

[CosmicCowboy]

I hate to tell you this but most of these people probably have no idea who Rene Richards is. Your giving away you age LOL !!!!

I've stayed out of all these TO threads because I think the guy is a wasted space and discussing him is a waste of time and effort. I personally think this team is a year from being Super Bowl ready because of the personel turnover and the coordination and timing it takes to play at the Super Bowl level.

But if this team manages to mature this year and make its way into the Super Bowl, That will happen because of positive chemistry in the locker room since I feel the talent is here. TO brings nothing but talent and bad chemistry, something that will only hurt this team in its current state of development.

LOL..yep I, know it was just a 'testing of the water' sorta speak...but I could not agree with you more on TO. All that talent, and what now looks like not to many teams to go to.

[Yeagermeister]

And if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's arse when it jumps


TO will NEVER change because he doesn't think he has done anything wrong....EVER

[Fletch]

I have a serious question... I am prepared to take a lickin' for it... but it begs to be answered....

IF Terrell Owens came to Dallas and straightened out and helped with 1-3 Super Bowls... would we really all be hating... I know that Keyshawn is not T.O. but alot had reservations about him going to Dallas....

If T.O. = Super Bowls... can we live with that?

Yo, Aaaaaadrian!

Hey, I would be one of the ones who would love it. No hate here.

YoMick! Great avatar buddy! Cracked me up. :D

[REDVOLUTION]

Look he may never become a cowboy and thats fine. I just think all of this "Just say no to T.O." is a kneejerk reaction. You have to sometimes look at it for what he brings to the table. T.O. is a Michael Irvin-type. Yes, I know he is NOT MI. You get my point.

Hey Fletch, Thanks.

[Doomsday101]

Look he may never become a cowboy and thats fine. I just think all of this "Just say no to T.O." is a kneejerk reaction. You have to sometimes look at it for what he brings to the table. T.O. is a Michael Irvin-type. Yes, I know he is NOT MI. You get my point.

Hey Fletch, Thanks.

I don't think it is knee jerk at all, many of us said after his stint in San Fran that the eagles were making a mistake and just as predicted things fell apart in Philly. This is not the 1st time and I doubt it will be the last.

[Fletch]

Look he may never become a cowboy and thats fine. I just think all of this "Just say no to T.O." is a kneejerk reaction. You have to sometimes look at it for what he brings to the table. T.O. is a Michael Irvin-type. Yes, I know he is NOT MI. You get my point.

Hey Fletch, Thanks.

Definitely hear what you are saying. And I guarantee you that half of this posturing on this message board would become a moot point IF Terrell Owens (which most likely won't happen) indeed became a Cowboy.

They might still pitch a fit, but deep down they'd be gitty as a little girl in spring who just began to sprout up top at the possibilities of getting to that all-allusive Super Bowl. :D

[Yeagermeister]

Look he may never become a cowboy and thats fine. I just think all of this "Just say no to T.O." is a kneejerk reaction. You have to sometimes look at it for what he brings to the table. T.O. is a Michael Irvin-type. Yes, I know he is NOT MI. You get my point.

Hey Fletch, Thanks.
TO is no Michael Irvin. On the field Mike was the ultimate team player. TO is only about TO.

[CrazyCowboy]

I have a serious question... I am prepared to take a lickin' for it... but it begs to be answered....

IF Terrell Owens came to Dallas and straightened out and helped with 1-3 Super Bowls... would we really all be hating... I know that Keyshawn is not T.O. but alot had reservations about him going to Dallas....

If T.O. = Super Bowls... can we live with that?

Yo, Aaaaaadrian!

If this was true.....I admit......I would be lovin it.

Then again, I would pull for anyone who helps us win the Super Bowl.....it is all about the trophies for me......I want #6 before any other team.

[WoodysGirl]

Sad when even Vick doesn't want him...

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Falcons | Vick Discusses Owens
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Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick (http://www.kffl.com/player/96/nfl) said that he could play with Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.kffl.com/team/29/nfl) WR Terrell Owens (http://www.kffl.com/player/1608/nfl), but he would need to understand who is boss. Vick said, "He would have to understand my style of play and what I do and if he can do that, he can be here. Other than that, this is my team. I run the ball a little bit more than other quarterbacks. It would take away from some of his catches. You've got to be a team player when you come here." Vick didn't sound too enthusiastic about the Falcons (http://www.kffl.com/team/7/nfl) possibly pursuing Owens. "I don't know. It would help but I feel like we've got all the right pieces here to be successful and to win football games," Vick said.

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Even the 1-7 Texans don't want him

McNair says Texans don't want Owens (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3451298)
During a break in preparations for Sunday's game at unbeaten Indianapolis, McNair was asked if he would consider signing Owens once Philadelphia has washed its hands of him.
"He's almost dismantled the Eagles; why would you wish that on us?" McNair said with a laugh. "I've already got enough problems."

[dbair1967]

They might still pitch a fit, but deep down they'd be gitty as a little girl in spring who just began to sprout up top at the possibilities of getting to that all-allusive Super Bowl. :D

he hasnt helped anyone win a super bowl...we dont become anymore of a super bowl contender with him than we are without him because of the damage he causes internally

and not all of us would be happy if TO is signed...I certainly wont be, and would never cheer for him even if he's running 80 yds for a TD...I truly hope Jones and Parcells have no intention of pursuing this bumbling fool

David

[Next_years_Champs]

LOL..yep I, know it was just a 'testing of the water' sorta speak...but I could not agree with you more on TO. All that talent, and what now looks like not to many teams to go to.

Yeah and don't take me wrong what you said was hilarious, but the humor will be missed by many.........

[Rockytop6]

You are correct. You do have a serious problem. What is all this fascination with TO? He has caused problems, disruptions, etc. with every team he has been associated with. He gives every coach major headaches. He disses every QB he has played with. He has not been the reason that any team has made it to the SB.

You said IF he would do all these things. You wouldn't know that without first signing him and why would you sign him in HOPES he would do these things?

Everybody talks about TO being the key to the Boys going to the SB. There are several WRs who would make a far greater contribution to the Boys making it to the SB. They have talent, attitude, good locker room presence, leaders and they are team players. The only one of that group TO has is the talent.

TO dominates the sports talk shows; the news and he is the center of all the games that are played when he is not even at a game. He has orchestrated all of this beautifully. He feeds off it. He is addicted to the center stage. He should quit football and go to Hollywood where he belongs. He would fit in with most of that crowd. He might play for other teams now but he will never fit it with them. What team needs his circus? He will NEVER be the reason that any team makes it to the SB.

[Danny White]

If TO, was to come to Dallas..and become a real 'team-mate' here...well that would be the biggest 'turnaround'..in sports history..well since 'Rene Richards'....IMO.
You might be onto something here... get on the horn to Drew Rosenhaus.

TO loves basketball, but isn't good enough to play the NBA.
The WNBA desperately needs something to boost their ratings.

It's a match made in heaven!

[ravidubey]

... having a big mouth? What he did:

- Held out for part of camp.
- Said the organization was not as classy as they claim to be.
- Got in a fight with Hugh Douglas (who is not even on the team) after Douglas accused T.O. of faking an injury.
- Said the team would have won more games if Donovan McNabb was healthy or a healthy Brett Favre were the QB. The context of the Favre comment was more about how well Favre would do on a team with a supporting cast instead of languishing on a bad team in Green Bay-- not that Favre was better than Donovan McNabb.
- He also apologized. Profusely.

I'm not a fan of how T.O. has handled his contract situation, but this warrants a four game suspension? That's nothing different than what a Corey Dillon, Carl Pickens, Jeff George, Keyshawn Johnson, or even Warren Sapp has done. Jerks? Of course! But not criminals. Make T.O. inactive if you want, but suspending him for this long is unjustified.

Suspensions are for when players use or sell drugs or otherwise break the law. Suspensions are for when you stand on the Dallas star like a bozo starting fights during a game or when you pick Jim McMahon up and slam him to the ground-- after the play is over.

If T.O. has any kind of decent representation, he should get at least half of that suspension repealed.

[Doomsday101]

... having a big mouth? What he did:

- Held out for part of camp.
- Said the organization was not as classy as they claim to be.
- Got in a fight with Hugh Douglas (who is not even on the team) after Douglas accused T.O. of faking an injury.
- Said the team would have won more games if Donovan McNabb was healthy or a healthy Brett Favre were the QB. The context of the Favre comment was more about how well Favre would do on a team with a supporting cast instead of languishing on a bad team in Green Bay-- not that Favre was better than Donovan McNabb.
- He also apologized. Profusely.

I'm not a fan of how T.O. has handled his contract situation, but this warrants a four game suspension? That's nothing different than what a Corey Dillon, Carl Pickens, Jeff George, Keyshawn Johnson, or even Warren Sapp has done. Jerks? Of course! But not criminals. Make T.O. inactive if you want, but suspending him for this long is unjustified.

Suspensions are for when players use or sell drugs or otherwise break the law. Suspensions are for when you stand on the Dallas star like a bozo starting fights during a game or when you pick Jim McMahon up and slam him to the ground-- after the play is over.

If T.O. has any kind of decent representation, he should get at least half of that suspension repealed.

Ravi your only listing thing you know in the press according to the eagles there is more than what has been written but of course they would not get into details with the hearing still pending.

[Bullet22]

Hurting Mcflabb feelings...

[Hostile]

I have a serious question... I am prepared to take a lickin' for it... but it begs to be answered....

IF Terrell Owens came to Dallas and straightened out and helped with 1-3 Super Bowls... would we really all be hating... I know that Keyshawn is not T.O. but alot had reservations about him going to Dallas....

If T.O. = Super Bowls... can we live with that?

Yo, Aaaaaadrian!Which team has he helped win even 1 Super Bowl so far?

[Bullet22]

If Mcflabb hadn't gotten sick, maybe last years Eagles...

[Doomsday101]

Which team has he helped win even 1 Super Bowl so far?

None!!!!! I get a kick out of hearing how TO just wants a SB as if he is the only player in the NFL who wants a ring as if that is justification for his behavior. Wake up call all players would love to get the ring and if you have a player who does not want the ring then that player needs to be released.

[ravidubey]

Ravi your only listing thing you know in the press according to the eagles there is more than what has been written but of course they would not get into details with the hearing still pending.

So I still wonder about the official reasons-- on the surface it is unjustified. Terrell Owens hasn't broken any rules, and that's what long-term suspensions are for.

[Doomsday101]

So I still wonder about the official reasons-- on the surface it is unjustified. Terrell Owens hasn't broken any rules, and that's what long-term suspensions are for.

I'm sure the eagles and the NFL will present their case during the hearing.

[Sportsbabe]

This article expresses my exact feelings on the whole topic (EXCERPTS):

Terrell Owens is, plainly, a narcissist. He can't even apologize to the Philadelphia Eagles without talking about himself. The Eagles don't buy his apology and have concluded that he should play football somewhere else. Better yet, maybe he should be self-employed.

Narcissism is not a crime. If that's Owens's worst offense, why are the Eagles dealing so harshly with him? Owens and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, seem baffled that the Eagles are unforgiving. They have filed a union grievance, and protest that he has not been arrested, he doesn't have a rap sheet, nor has he broken any rules. But that's how fed up the Eagles are with Owens -- they'd apparently sooner keep a felon. Until Owens understands that narcissism is possibly as damaging to a team as criminal behavior, he'll be a detriment to any organization he plays for.

The Eagles are perfectly right to get rid of Owens, as any expert in workplace dynamics knows. "He's useless to them," said Richard Boyatzis, an author for the Harvard Business School Press ......It's tempting to look at Owens's receiving statistics and rippling physique, at his talent, energy and abilities, and say that surely the 4-4 Eagles are better off with him than without him. But that would be to underestimate the problem that is Terrell Owens. "He's not really a great player," Boyatzis said. "He's technically proficient. But great players can play with others." Owens can't get along with anybody. And while that may not be a contractual violation or a crime, it's intolerable.

Terms like "chemistry" and the saying, "There is no 'I' in team" are idiotically vague bromides. But Owens's unbalanced ego has a very specific and diagnosable effect on others. Narcissistic behavior in the workplace has been studied before, and it's often discussed in terms of "malignancy" for a good reason, because it has a tendency to infect entire buildings. Management experts and prosecutors alike have theorized that corporate narcissism was at least partly responsible for the abuses at Tyco, WorldCom and Enron.

What happened between Owens and the Eagles "was so utterly predictable," said Prof. David Carter, executive director of USC's Sports Business Institute. "What happens with a lot of athletes is they become the most high-profile employee in the organization and there's a sliding scale of tolerance where the coaches or the managers give those athletes, just like star sales people, just enough rope to hang themselves. And by the time they've hung themselves, they've really gone a long way to impacting the morale of the rest of the organization, and done a fine job of contaminating the company in the marketplace."

A football team is intensely interdependent -- it's really more of an organism than an organization. Owens's brand of narcissistic behavior is perhaps especially virulent in that framework. According to Sam Vaknin, author of "Malignant Self Love -- Narcissism Revisited," narcissists are disruptive on several levels. They are unable to abide criticism, they work autonomously, refuse to succumb to guidelines. And they provoke intense emotional counter-reactions from colleagues. "They mentally monopolize," he said. No doubt, that will sound familiar to the Eagles.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/09/AR2005110902106.html

[NotReally]

"So I still wonder about the official reasons-- on the surface it is unjustified. Terrell Owens hasn't broken any rules, and that's what long-term suspensions are for."

The suspension (4 games) is for "conduct detrimental to the team" . . . absolutely justified. The de-activation is to prevent him from causing further problems with the team. Everybody keeps saying this is "double punishment", but how can T.O. say getting his full salary without having to report for work is "punishment". Gee, I wish my boss would "punish" me like that ! LOL!

[joseephuss]

Anyone have Nader's open letter to Taglibue?

Basically said that the Eagles are infringing on T.O.'s right to free speech. That they should either reinstate him or cut him so he can become a free agent.

I whole heartedly disagree.

This situation is based on more than one comment made by T.O. utilizing free speech. There may be stuff that hasn't even made it out to the public yet. He does have a right to speak his mind and the Eagles have a right to react. T.O. isn't being arrested for speaking.

Nader also said that it is unfair to fans who have paid for tickets to see T.O. I would think most Eagles fans buy tickets to see the team no matter which guys are playing. There may be some that only bought tickets to see T.O. I think they can ask the Eagles orginization for their money back and could win, but I doubt this is a high percentage of ticket holders. The Eagles probably understand that this could be a repurcussion of their decision. That doesn't mean they should let T.O. have whatever he wants.

[LaTunaNostra]

Damn these shrinks, psuedo and otherwise, they've stolen my diagnosis.

[AdamJT13]

The players collectively bargained away their "right" to speak out against their own team and their teammates, so Nader's point doesn't apply to the agreed-upon penalty (a four-game suspension).

[31smackdown]

Great Article...and I agree completely with it. I've seen the same scenario play out in the work environment and as an effect I'm constantly aware of the personalities around me and within any team I work with. You have be very careful in the way that you cater to this personality type in team settings even knowing of it's potential high return if supplemented. It's a very gentle game you play. Everybody is motivated by different things, for some it's money, some security, some a feeling of value, others it's equality. It's the ability to foster those individual needs within a team environment that takes great effort and awareness, so as not to disrupt the balance.

If you look at the way that Parcells handles his players you can learn a lot about team management. Honesty goes a long way, along with giving the player a firm understanding of their individual value to the team, along with where they can improve to be even more valuable.

If you think about it, who's another player potentially of this ilk?..Chad Johnson..just maybe?...What did Marvin Lewis just do?... He gave him a list of how he could be even better than he thinks he already is... something to work towards.. things that included such items as... Make someone else around you a better player... things that foster that team mindset... earlier in the year you also heard that he was mentoring Chris Henry... These players need to be given things to work on... you can't just say, hey..show up, do your own thing and catch touchdowns with all that skill you have. They get bored with that.

[AbeBeta]

I think Eskimo disagnosed him with narcissistic personality disorder a few days ago.

[BigDFan5]

Someone should tell Nader that The 1st amendment does NOT mean you can say whatever you want about anything with no reprocussions. It says the Govt. can not supress your speech against THE GOVT

[Danny White]

Someone should tell Nader that The 1st amendment does NOT mean you can say whatever you want about anything with no reprocussions. It says the Govt. can not supress your speech against THE GOVT

Nader's a tool... that said, I think that when this whole thing shakes out, TO's going to end up with a certain level of vindication.

There's no way the Eagles end up winning this dispute in a rout... TO will get SOME consession.

[LaTunaNostra]

I think Eskimo disagnosed him with narcissistic personality disorder a few days ago.
Let me pull a Norish chest thumper here and proclaim myself the first armchair shrink to have pinned TO.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5206&highlight=narcissistic

But narcissism is only half the diagnosis; the full range of symptoms fall under 'narcissistic exhibitionism', in my layman opinion. :)

[TobiasEagle77]

:eek:

[JonJon]

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7966/owens0if.jpg

Coming to a city near you....

[LeonDixson]

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7966/owens0if.jpg

Coming to a city near you....

I hate you. lol

[The30YardSlant]

Fits him well...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/tnj13as/TerrellEndorsement.jpg

:lmao2:

[dargonking999]

great, that was my laugh of the day