Draftniks - early looksie at Dallas draft

[Nors]

My first stab -

Trade players / future picks to garner 2nd #1.....
Assume we have all picks later rounds (some traded etc)

1a) Ngata NT Fergi backup in 2006
1B) Pat Watkins - S 6-4 205 4.5
2) I'm sold - Klopfenstein TE 6-5+ 245 4.59
3) Jonathan Orr WR - 6-1 193 4.31 SLEEPER
4) Dontrell my man Moore RB - STEAL of draft
5) J Lewis DT - 6-1 310 DT depth
6) M Lawson DE/OLB 6-5 230 4.7 TWEENER
7) Ricky Santos!!!! RS sophomore :) QB/RB UNH rewriting 1 -AA record books.... Next crayton

[AsthmaField]

Who does Watkins play for Nors? I know nothing about him... I'm all for getting a good FS though.

[Hostile]

Who does Watkins play for Nors? I know nothing about him... I'm all for getting a good FS though.Florida State.

I like Laron Landry of LSU myself.

[blindzebra]

Now that's funny.

We have the first, Glover is gone post.

Mark it down!:rolleyes:

[junk]

My first stab -

Trade players / future picks to garner 2nd #1.....
Assume we have all picks later rounds (some traded etc)

1a) Ngata NT Fergi backup in 2006
1B) Pat Watkins - S 6-4 205 4.5
2) I'm sold - Klopfenstein TE 6-5+ 245 4.59
3) Jonathan Orr WR - 6-1 193 4.31 SLEEPER
4) Dontrell my man Moore RB - STEAL of draft
5) J Lewis DT - 6-1 310 DT depth
6) M Lawson DE/OLB 6-5 230 4.7 TWEENER
7) Ricky Santos!!!! RS sophomore :) QB/RB UNH rewriting 1 -AA record books.... Next crayton

Granted its early, but...

I'd like NT depth and a young guy there, but who exactly are you going to trade for that other #1?

I don't think Dallas values the FS position. I'd be surprised if they use an early pick on one. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go with Pile/Davis/Beriault next year, in fact.

I think Lawson probably goes before 6. I've seen him in 1 in some mocks. Isn't he a little small for your liking anyway? :D

Why would a I-AA guy come out two years early? Undersized I-AA QBs put up sick numbers all the time and typically end up undrafted unless they are rare McNair type talents. I watched one Santos game and he looked OK, but I think he would be best served to get some seasoning before he tried to make the jump.

[AsthmaField]

Florida State.

I like Laron Landry of LSU myself.

Thanks Hos. I have watched almost no college football this year. I'm not sure why... maybe because the hurricane screwed up the early part of the schedules for me.

I know that Landry has been called special by a few preseason mags. Do you think he's a special player?

[Nors]

Who does Watkins play for Nors? I know nothing about him... I'm all for getting a good FS though.

FSU - Has freakish size speed, coverage skills. May be first safety drafted.....

[John813]

1a) Ngata NT Fergi backup in 2006



Unless we blow the second half of the season or we trade up Ngata will be long gone.


I would like to see Huff or Landry drafted in the first round

[Billy Bullocks]

Im a DUCK. Ngata is by far the biggest reason this defense has been so stout this year. Devan Long is a good DE, but no doubt, the presence of Ngata makes him better. The guy is an incredible athlete, and he's HUGE. Great guy too, the 2 times I've met him

[AsthmaField]

FSU - Has freakish size speed, coverage skills. May be first safety drafted.....

What about Landry, like Hos said? I haven't seen either, so I don't know.

[Hostile]

Thanks Hos. I have watched almost no college football this year. I'm not sure why... maybe because the hurricane screwed up the early part of the schedules for me.

I know that Landry has been called special by a few preseason mags. Do you think he's a special player?Per Lindy's Football Magazine...

"As a Sophomore, rated among the bestplayers at his position in the past two decades."

He's a ball hawk and sure tackler.

[Chocolate Lab]

Hey man... I was first on the Watkins bandwagon... :mad: :mad: :mad:

He is just what we need though. Tall, very athletic, rangy... The "centerfielder" free safety we haven't had since... Well, forever.

[The30YardSlant]

:lmao2:

[Cbz40]

Well!!!!I would like to have Huff........I'm first on that bandwagon.

[Hostile]

Hey man... I was first on the Watkins bandwagon... :mad: :mad: :mad:

He is just what we need though. Tall, very athletic, rangy... The "centerfielder" free safety we haven't had since... Well, forever.I do remember that. Back when we were discussing him and Bing of USC.

[Hostile]

:lmao2:Just curious. What are you laughing at?

[Billy Bullocks]

You think Ngata lasts past top 10? The guy is a monster.

[Cbz40]

I want Huff so close the dang thread..discussion over.......LOL!!!!!!!!

[Hostile]

You think Ngata lasts past top 10? The guy is a monster.No way he slips out of the top 10 and I agree. He's a bull.

[blindzebra]

Just curious. What are you laughing at?

I'd guess the sheer agenda lurking beneath the surface.

He's trading Glover.

Bringing back his original stance on Julius by bringing in another RB.

Ignoring LB until a late hybrid.

[ghst187]

Any of those FS's sound pretty good to me...Huff, Bing, Landry, Watkins. I've seen them all play, impressive. Seem like coverage types we need.
I'm a little concerned about Ngata though since he already has one major knee injury. Also, to get him way late in the first would be a steal. Minus the knee injury, I would rank him higher than Rod Wright and Gabe Watson.
Jonathan Orr is very impressive. Like his game.
I have to think we'll use a first day pick on a OL and maybe a LB.
I'm also a proponent of trading out of the first for an extra '07 first.

HOWEVER, after this last draft, I'm going to trust our scouts for once....I really liked the BPA

[Nors]

[QUOTE=junk]Granted its early, but...

Trade Glover and future pick to get back into #1, Ngata is a stud 3-4 NT and Glover will be 34?

I wouldn't say value FS - I Think more it was not a priority with all our other holes......

SANTOS IS MY ALL WORLD SLEEPER - I think he could walk on the field and be an NFL RB tomorrow. But also has arm to put up crazy stats as he has as a QB. He could also play WR tomorrow.... Sic athlete

[Nors]

Hey man... I was first on the Watkins bandwagon... :mad: :mad: :mad:

He is just what we need though. Tall, very athletic, rangy... The "centerfielder" free safety we haven't had since... Well, forever.

Cool I'll ride shotgun on your bandwagon. He's a fast riser. I want a FS to be starter day 1 in camp....

[Nors]

PS - I was sour on Ellis last offseason, not Glover. In fact I was a huge advocate that Glover could play 4-3 and 3-4. And he has. He was a bridge to our future. At his age, size, Cap, its time to move on like Coak last offseason.....

It's amazing how many resist change - a change that WAS NEEDED to upgrade this team out of 5-11 vat of suck....

[scottsp]

I would also prefer Huff. Not as a first, but perhaps in the second. I know I will hear "Huff won't last until then." We don't know about any of this for certain.

Huff is a ball hawking safety who is always around the action. Also, he can play corner which could definitely help his draft stock. Depending on how he tests out in workouts, that might end up being his projection as a pro.

But again, way too early to know a lot of these things for certain.

[Chocolate Lab]

Cool I'll ride shotgun on your bandwagon. He's a fast riser. I want a FS to be starter day 1 in camp....
Ha, just kidding you Nors...

He was just a guy I noticed early last year (maybe against Miami?) because the FSU left corner kept getting beat on fly patterns, and this tall safety was fast enough to get to the sideline and either break up the pass or tackle the receiver and save a TD. It's pretty rare to see a safety look faster than a corner at a big school like FSU. So I posted on some board, maybe this one, asking who he was, and a Fla State fan told me who he was and said he'd broken a few of the FSU speed and agility drills for DBs. I was actually very disappointed he didn't come out this past draft. He might not turn out to be worth a darn, but since I touted him early, I thought I should own up to it. ;)

Oh well, I don't know anything about his character or if he tackles well or not -- actually I doubt he does, as skinny as he is. But I do think Parcells would like his height.

And hey, we tried to draft Bullocks last year but missed... If nothing else, this year we could take his twin brother. :D

BTW, I agree on Huff, he looks like he can't miss. Fortunately for us, there seem to be several good FS prospects this year.

[Cbz40]

I would also prefer Huff. Not as a first, but perhaps in the second. I know I will hear "Huff won't last until then." We don't know about any of this for certain.

Huff is a ball hawking safety who is always around the action. Also, he can play corner which could definitely help his draft stock. Depending on how he tests out in workouts, that might end up being his projection as a pro.

But again, way too early to know a lot of these things for certain.

Finally!!!!!! a man with some intelligence....... :D


Huff will not make it out of the first round.........You can put it in the bank.

[blindzebra]

PS - I was sour on Ellis last offseason, not Glover. In fact I was a huge advocate that Glover could play 4-3 and 3-4. And he has. He was a bridge to our future. At his age, size, Cap, its time to move on like Coak last offseason.....

It's amazing how many resist change - a change that WAS NEEDED to upgrade this team out of 5-11 vat of suck....

There's the redirect.

If we disagree with your ideas we are against making changes.

Been there, done that, won't waste my time ripping you apart on it again.

[Tricky-22]

4) Dontrell my man Moore RB - STEAL of draft


I have to agree with you on this one. He isn't the fastest back in the draft or the shiftiest. All he does is score touchdowns.

The NCAA record holder for touchdowns by a running back.

And someone is going to get him cheap because of injuries.

[Sitting Bull]

I'll repost my Bye-Week Boredom Dream Mock, since it was buried in Sports Zone:

First Round: Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State- Also love Huff but I'm projecting any and every "son of a former player/coach" as a future Cowboy until Parcells stops picking them. This one's a no-brainer. He's projected as a high second rounder but I'm planning on picking late so it's not much of a reach... :D

Second Round: Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado- I watched this moose leave everything on the field even as the Buffs got rolled by Texas. He'll win the Mackey award and he sounds like a guy Parcells would draft.

Third Round: Dwayne Slay, FS, Texas Tech- Monster-sized FS (6,3, 215) who covers very well. After watching him dominate last week, did some research and found out he's also a feared headhunter on special teams. Money.

Fourth Round: Jovon Bouknight, WR, Wyoming- My sleeper. Exciting playmaker flying under the radar in the putrid Mountain West conference. Former HS QB, deadly on reverses, puts up biggest numbers against major-school competition. Excellent kick returner and appears to be a very solid character. Sounds like Crayton and could be a similar find.

[Nors]

Because I was for Keepin Glover in 05 does not mean I'm for keeping him in 2006....

Wise to back off as you know why the 4-3's advocated keeping Glover this year :lol: For all the wrong reasons - cough -

There were few that advocated Glover in 3-4. And he's done it - just time to move on in off season and get younger and bigger at NT. Thats how this works.....

[jbsg02]

manny lawson will def be gone before round 6

[Bizwah]

Gabe Watson of Michigan was supposed to be a stud. He's fallen off the face of the earth.

I like Pat Watkins. I've heard some question his toughness.....not good.

The most exciting thing about this draft is the fact that there's no glaring need anywhere. I feel we can truly sit back and let the best player land in our lap.

[Portland Fanatic]

Still early and always a crap shoot....

I'm not convinced we hae the OT issue resolved...even with Columbo....so

1) Eric Winston, or Joe Thomas, or Jonathon Scott (who ever falls) (OT)
2) LeRon Landry (FS)
3) Todd Watkins (WR)
4) No pick
5) Aldo De La Garza (OG)
6) Devan Long (DE/OLB Tweener)
7) Troy Bienemann (TE)

[The30YardSlant]

Just curious. What are you laughing at?

Just Nors inability to get off trading Glover only to draft his replacement. The man stcisk to his agenda, I'll give him that.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

My first stab -

Trade players / future picks to garner 2nd #1.....
Assume we have all picks later rounds (some traded etc)

1a) Ngata NT Fergi backup in 2006
1B) Pat Watkins - S 6-4 205 4.5
2) I'm sold - Klopfenstein TE 6-5+ 245 4.59
3) Jonathan Orr WR - 6-1 193 4.31 SLEEPER
4) Dontrell my man Moore RB - STEAL of draft
5) J Lewis DT - 6-1 310 DT depth
6) M Lawson DE/OLB 6-5 230 4.7 TWEENER
7) Ricky Santos!!!! RS sophomore :) QB/RB UNH rewriting 1 -AA record books.... Next crayton

Moore would never see the field.

And Id like to see a guard or two
And I think we resign Cambell, and if not Pierce is ok as a #2 TE
and I hear this Ngata is a stud and wont last to 32

[Hostile]

Just Nors inability to get off trading Glover only to draft his replacement. The man stcisk to his agenda, I'll give him that.Oh. I didn't catch that.

I figure draft favorite will change a 100 times between now and then. I like the Ngata pick, but we have no shot at him. We'd have to lose out and that isn't happening.

[Sitting Bull]

7) Troy Bienemann (TE)

Bingo. Best long snapper in the country....

[iceberg]

My first stab -

Trade players / future picks to garner 2nd #1.....
Assume we have all picks later rounds (some traded etc)

1a) Ngata NT Fergi backup in 2006
1B) Pat Watkins - S 6-4 205 4.5
2) I'm sold - Klopfenstein TE 6-5+ 245 4.59
3) Jonathan Orr WR - 6-1 193 4.31 SLEEPER
4) Dontrell my man Moore RB - STEAL of draft
5) J Lewis DT - 6-1 310 DT depth
6) M Lawson DE/OLB 6-5 230 4.7 TWEENER
7) Ricky Santos!!!! RS sophomore :) QB/RB UNH rewriting 1 -AA record books.... Next crayton

next crayton? can we let crayton be crayton first????

[bbgun]

A bus full of supermodels will break down in front of my house before we draft an o-lineman in the first round.

[Nors]

I have to agree with you on this one. He isn't the fastest back in the draft or the shiftiest. All he does is score touchdowns.

The NCAA record holder for touchdowns by a running back.

And someone is going to get him cheap because of injuries.

I was casually watching a game a few weeks back and this RB starts going off. Speed, burst, size, strength and toughness. He was playing inspite of ACL in February.....

Kid has 4 1000 yard seasons. He is a steal for somebody.... that may drop on knee = see Canty!

[coach316]

If we had Nors dream scenario of two first round picks, I'd rather see us take Chad Greenway LB high to replace Als and then go for a big WR on the 2nd pick.

Wishful thinking of course.

[Nors]

Just Nors inability to get off trading Glover only to draft his replacement. The man stcisk to his agenda, I'll give him that.


I'm a dog on a bone....

On Glover actually I was pro keeping him to play both 4-3 and 3-4. Many said he could not do that - they were wrong.....
2006 - its time to upgrade at his age/Cap/size....

[Portland Fanatic]

Bingo. Best long snapper in the country....

Pretty sold receiver and blocker too. Would be a great #4 TE/snapper...

[Nors]

Man - talking draft is the bomb!

And we are poised to make playof run. Props to Parcells/Ireland!

[Hostile]

Still early and always a crap shoot....

I'm not convinced we hae the OT issue resolved...even with Columbo....so

1) Eric Winston, or Joe Thomas, or Jonathon Scott (who ever falls) (OT)
2) LeRon Landry (FS)
3) Todd Watkins (WR)
4) No pick
5) Aldo De La Garza (OG)
6) Devan Long (DE/OLB Tweener)
7) Troy Bienemann (TE)That's as good as it gets right there.

I'll take that right now.

[junk]

[QUOTE=junk]Granted its early, but...

Trade Glover and future pick to get back into #1, Ngata is a stud 3-4 NT and Glover will be 34?

I wouldn't say value FS - I Think more it was not a priority with all our other holes......

SANTOS IS MY ALL WORLD SLEEPER - I think he could walk on the field and be an NFL RB tomorrow. But also has arm to put up crazy stats as he has as a QB. He could also play WR tomorrow.... Sic athlete

I don't know about trading Glover and not for the reasons you think. First, I don't think he will have much value. Young studs like James/Alexander can't get a second, I doubt Glover would be worth enough to warrant a first.

Second, next year is the last year of his deal. Cutting him doesn't save you much, but you lose a vet leader who is still, IMO, the best lineman on the team. Jim Burt agreed too! :D

I do think NT/DT depth and youth needs to be addressed. I'd like to have that rook learn from Glover too.

I agree he is aging and probably won't be in Dallas beyond next year, but I'd be surprised if he doesn't play out his deal.

I have watched Santos. I saw him get rocked by Montana last year in the I-AA playoffs. He played a decent game though. I-AA QBs need to do more than put up huge numbers to come out early and make it IMO. They need to do it for four years and then wow someone at the combine. Look at how guys like Romo, Ochs, Dickinson, Long, etc played in I-AA and struggled to get drafted or make a team. Not saying he couldn't be a good athlete in the NFL, but I just don't see him coming out early. Heck, look at the ridiculous numbers Crayton put up and he played out his eligibility and was still only a 7th rounder who got cut twice his rookie year.

[junk]

I'll repost my Bye-Week Boredom Dream Mock, since it was buried in Sports Zone:

First Round: Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State- Also love Huff but I'm projecting any and every "son of a former player/coach" as a future Cowboy until Parcells stops picking them. This one's a no-brainer. He's projected as a high second rounder but I'm planning on picking late so it's not much of a reach... :D

Second Round: Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado- I watched this moose leave everything on the field even as the Buffs got rolled by Texas. He'll win the Mackey award and he sounds like a guy Parcells would draft.

Third Round: Dwayne Slay, FS, Texas Tech- Monster-sized FS (6,3, 215) who covers very well. After watching him dominate last week, did some research and found out he's also a feared headhunter on special teams. Money.

Fourth Round: Jovon Bouknight, WR, Wyoming- My sleeper. Exciting playmaker flying under the radar in the putrid Mountain West conference. Former HS QB, deadly on reverses, puts up biggest numbers against major-school competition. Excellent kick returner and appears to be a very solid character. Sounds like Crayton and could be a similar find.

I like this a lot. I am a huge, huge Carpenter fan. If you could build a LB for this defense, it'd be Bobby Carpenter IMO. Size, coverage ability, even plays as a down lineman pass rusher at times. Not to mention the dad/coach connection.

A guy named Joe Klopfenstein can play on my team any day. Been hearing a lot about him, I need to catch a Buffs game.

[Nors]

I'm biased - Santos played in my backyard and was a freak in high school. He's totally dominated in college.

Some kids rise from that. This kid is that.

[junk]

I'm biased - Santos played in my backyard and was a freak in high school. He's totally dominated in college.

Some kids rise from that. This kid is that.

I know where you're coming from. I really like to watch I-AA. The playoffs are a hoot.

[silverbear]

My first stab -

Trade players / future picks to garner 2nd #1.....

Specifics, please?? Absent specifics, your opinions lack substance...

1a) Ngata NT Fergi backup in 2006

You must be expecting the Boys to trade for a pretty high first rounder...

1B) Pat Watkins - S 6-4 205 4.5

He's a second or third round prospect, and not as good as Laron Landry, Michael Huff, Jimmy Williams or even Jason Allen... I'd draft any of them (except Allen, on account of his hip injury) before I'd think about Watkins...
they're all faster than Pat is...

2) I'm sold - Klopfenstein TE 6-5+ 245 4.59

I know that Parcells likes to collect TEs, and would not be surprised to see him draft another late, I'd be shocked if he spent a first day pick on one, when the Boys have Witten and Campbell...

Mind you, I like Klopfenstein, I just don't see him fitting the Cowboys' needs...

3) Jonathan Orr WR - 6-1 193 4.31 SLEEPER

Hasn't been NEARLY productive enough to justify this high a pick...

4) Dontrell my man Moore RB - STEAL of draft

Uhhh, we don't have a 4th rounder...

5) J Lewis DT - 6-1 310 DT depth

Without something less specific to go on than "J Lewis", I can't comment on this one... a first name and a school would be helpful...

6) M Lawson DE/OLB 6-5 230 4.7 TWEENER

Manny intrigues me, he's apparently up into the 245-250 pound range... but you're dreaming if you think he's gonna still be on the board in the sixth round... he'll be long gone before the end of the 4th, perhaps even on the first day of the draft...

7) Ricky Santos!!!! RS sophomore :) QB/RB UNH rewriting 1 -AA record books.... Next crayton

LOL... you love you some Santos, don't you?? Sorry, the boy would be a card-carrying idiot to come out this early... he needs at least one more year of development...

Again, I like what I've read about him, but not this year...

Knowing you're a devoted draftaholic, I'm confident your future stabs will be a bit more realistic than this one was...

[silverbear]

Hey man... I was first on the Watkins bandwagon... :mad: :mad: :mad:

He is just what we need though. Tall, very athletic, rangy... The "centerfielder" free safety we haven't had since... Well, forever.

I would like the prospect of a 6-4 safety...

[MiStar]

First Round: Micheal Huff, FS, Texas
He covers a lot of ground from his free safety position and isn't afraid to make plays on the ball.
I like the other top safeties too, but Huff is definitely the best fit for this team.

Second Round: Mike Kudla, DE/OLB, Ohio State
Here's my sleeper. After suffering from a potentially life threatening disease, where he was bleeding from eyes and ears, Kudla has made a full recovery. He's having a break out year as a senior, and posseses incredible measureables. Pound for pound Kudla may be the strongest player in college football. He has enough speed and agility to play OLB in a 3-4 defense at the next level, and might even be strong enough to fill in as a 3-4 end.

Third Round: Mark Setterstrom, OG, Minnesota
This fast and nimble OG is one of the centerpieces to the nation's top rushing team. Should Larry Allen or Marco Rivera falter, they might not get their job back after this kid hits the field.

[Nors]

I would like the prospect of a 6-4 safety...
I agree - probably first Safety drafted....

I said in my post regarding day 2 that we would get back all draft picks IE 4th

Put your mock out there.

[burmafrd]

Ngata will probably be top 5, top 10 at least. No way we get near him.
Trading Glover is stupid- last year of contract, we need him and would not get much anyway.
If we get a NT, it will be down in the later rds to develope.
BP will be taking a good hard look at the tackles we have and decide if he wants anything more then late rdrs- Right NOW I don't see us going above 3 rd for any O linemen. Unless one that BP likes falls. I see us looking for another guard more then a tackle; we really only have Peterman developing now, and he is still unknown.
FS- same thing. LB- untill he has an idea about Burnett no high picks there.
Realistically WR MIGHT be the pick if we keep our first rd- but even that is questionable- depending on what happens with Price and Clayton.
Honestly, I see us trading out of the first rd, maybe even the second- to get more picks for next year: because that is when we willmake the decision about our young QB's- if BP thinks that one of them will be really good, we gorge ourselves on picks in 2007. IF NOT, we go after Brady Quinn.

[Nors]

Yeagh lets trade out of 1st and 2nd - thats great logic!

We can now draft BPA - WR is a weak draft.

My picks are solid - dance in the street.

[burmafrd]

Nothing about you is solid nors except your bias against fine players Like GLOVER, DAT, etc. Not exactly reason for anyone to take you seriously.

[Nors]

Glover is a fine player and aging DT that will be replaced by guys like Ngata -

Shanle is phasing Dat out - better player for the 3-4

Thats just reality.

[Nors]

See what Spears, Canty, Rat, BB3, Petitti can do - FOR THE FUTURE

Stop living in the PAST

[burmafrd]

No I prefer to live in the real world- try it sometimes, Nors.

[Nors]

Burma - post your mock

[Hiero]

1st Rd) WR/OT I think we take either a guy like Santonio Holmes who i like, or one of the many many OT's. Holmes is a great rac guy something the boys dont have. Martin Nance is an intriguing guy very tall not too sure on his speed though.
2) FS - Pat Watkins seems like a great fit for teh team. Tall and rangy exactly what I want. Tackling can be taught, speed and height can't.
3) WR/OT probably whichever we didnt get earlier.
5) the FB from Wisconsin is good, or any FB who can be a big lead blocker for JJ.
6) Kicker with a big leg and accuracy.

ive heard. We need a real FB one who can lead block because JJ is too small.
I think Pierce is a solid TE, and Parcells wont take a TE until the later rds.

[burmafrd]

I don't do mocks because I am not arrogant enough to think I know enough to make one that looks even halfway possible past the 2nd rd. I have a few players that I would like to see on the Boys but I am not cocky enough to try and predict where they go. After midway through the second rd its not possible anyway.
My only predictions are like with Ngata- gone by #10 at the latest.

[Doomsday101]

I don't do mocks because I am not arrogant enough to think I know enough to make one that looks even halfway possible past the 2nd rd. I have a few players that I would like to see on the Boys but I am not cocky enough to try and predict where they go. After midway through the second rd its not possible anyway.
My only predictions are like with Ngata- gone by #10 at the latest.

I agree and it also helps to know what picks your going to get and who the underclassmen may be.

[burmafrd]

This team right NOW needs to upgrade at FS and the O line. BUT we have some young people that might, by the end of the year, show that we have either more or less to worry about in those positions. That is why any mocks now are truly WORTHLESS.

[burmafrd]

Developmental guards and tackles should be our priority for the next draft- and that means 3rd rd AT BEST for them.

[Nors]

Hawthorne was supposed to be a top 15 - players slide.

I do a lot of research in offseason on draftee's. I've started the leg work and threw it out for feedback.

Thanks to those that did as I value that. The snipers that add nothing - stick it.

[burmafrd]

Yeah, sure, fine, Nors. Like we care.

[Nors]

1st Rd) WR/OT I think we take either a guy like Santonio Holmes who i like, or one of the many many OT's. Holmes is a great rac guy something the boys dont have. Martin Nance is an intriguing guy very tall not too sure on his speed though.
2) FS - Pat Watkins seems like a great fit for teh team. Tall and rangy exactly what I want. Tackling can be taught, speed and height can't.
3) WR/OT probably whichever we didnt get earlier.
5) the FB from Wisconsin is good, or any FB who can be a big lead blocker for JJ.
6) Kicker with a big leg and accuracy.

ive heard. We need a real FB one who can lead block because JJ is too small.
I think Pierce is a solid TE, and Parcells wont take a TE until the later rds.

FB would not suprise me

[Chocolate Lab]

FB would not suprise me
Brian Leonard might be as solid a lock as there could be for Parcells...

[visionary]

hi guys!!

i posted this on another thread but is likely better suited here.


i like to think of the team as a whole and as such the off season as a whole since that is how i think the coaches/personnel people will look at it. i think it is too early to specify who we will select in what round so i will comment only in generalizations

Free agency:

Center: preferably bentley
Free safety
Kicker

dont need to go overboard, last year was our 'splurge' year
use the left over money to sign our guys like witten etc

Draft:

i believe any draft is a combination of team need and BPA and not either/or

so here goes in reasonable order

OG
LB
Corner
WR: likely any WR we draft will be #4 (unless a 1st rounder) and need to play ST
DT/NT
FB

these additions along with what we already have will set us up for a long time

all this of course assumes that bledsoe continues to perform at a superior level since i dont necessarily subscribe to the bus driver theory. brady is no bus driver.

[Nors]

hi guys!!

i posted this on another thread but is likely better suited here.


i like to think of the team as a whole and as such the off season as a whole since that is how i think the coaches/personnel people will look at it. i think it is too early to specify who we will select in what round so i will comment only in generalizations

Free agency:

Center: preferably bentley
Free safety
Kicker

dont need to go overboard, last year was our 'splurge' year
use the left over money to sign our guys like witten etc

Draft:

i believe any draft is a combination of team need and BPA and not either/or

so here goes in reasonable order

OG
LB
Corner
WR: likely any WR we draft will be #4 (unless a 1st rounder) and need to play ST
DT/NT
FB

these additions along with what we already have will set us up for a long time

all this of course assumes that bledsoe continues to perform at a superior level since i dont necessarily subscribe to the bus driver theory. brady is no bus driver.


Post more - we will swing into draft talk more as offseason kicks in

[Hiero]

bentley is becoming my #1 fa target now. Would make a big difference instead of having to use two center's we have 1 pro bowl center.

hi guys!!

i posted this on another thread but is likely better suited here.


i like to think of the team as a whole and as such the off season as a whole since that is how i think the coaches/personnel people will look at it. i think it is too early to specify who we will select in what round so i will comment only in generalizations

Free agency:

Center: preferably bentley
Free safety
Kicker

dont need to go overboard, last year was our 'splurge' year
use the left over money to sign our guys like witten etc

Draft:

i believe any draft is a combination of team need and BPA and not either/or

so here goes in reasonable order

OG
LB
Corner
WR: likely any WR we draft will be #4 (unless a 1st rounder) and need to play ST
DT/NT
FB

these additions along with what we already have will set us up for a long time

all this of course assumes that bledsoe continues to perform at a superior level since i dont necessarily subscribe to the bus driver theory. brady is no bus driver.

[Reed]

we can get a solid safety later in the draft and his name is anthony smith, hes from syracuse, they are 1-7 get no publicity and recognition. In the begining of year this guy was a top candidate for jim thorpe award. He has 5 ints so far and is 6-1 strong, could put some weight on though, and fast, look into him if you want a good safety drafted later, if he has a good combine and workout though he could go second round.

[Nors]

Coach P has connections to Smith too

[Hiero]

we can get a solid safety later in the draft and his name is anthony smith, hes from syracuse, they are 1-7 get no publicity and recognition. In the begining of year this guy was a top candidate for jim thorpe award. He has 5 ints so far and is 6-1 strong, could put some weight on though, and fast, look into him if you want a good safety drafted later, if he has a good combine and workout though he could go second round.
sounds fine with me, as long as we get one guy like this somewhere along the line.

[Hiero]

What do you guys think of Santonio Holmes as a cowboy? The couple times ive seen him play hes a real playmaker and scores a lot of TD's. That one play he had the other day the 40 yard TD was pretty slick. I Love his quickness and speed, and he reminds me of Glenn except that he can do amazing things RAC.

Exactly the kind of young guy we would need opposite Crayton and the kind of guy who can help us score more td's instead of field goals, something i've been wanting to change for awhile and is just starting too this year. He's a bit small but i think Crayton is gonna be a good blocker though so itll be ok. He's currently my top choice along with a couple OT as first round pick.

He's gonna come out this year even though hes a junior. he has some kids to support so no way he passes up on the money.

[CFan_53]

I would love us to draft Elvis Dumerville from Louisville. He would be a perfect fit in the 3-4 as a linebacker.

[Dayton Cowboy]

What do you guys think of Santonio Holmes as a cowboy? The couple times ive seen him play hes a real playmaker and scores a lot of TD's. That one play he had the other day the 40 yard TD was pretty slick. I Love his quickness and speed, and he reminds me of Glenn except that he can do amazing things RAC.

Exactly the kind of young guy we would need opposite Crayton and the kind of guy who can help us score more td's instead of field goals, something i've been wanting to change for awhile and is just starting too this year. He's a bit small but i think Crayton is gonna be a good blocker though so itll be ok. He's currently my top choice along with a couple OT as first round pick.

He's gonna come out this year even though hes a junior. he has some kids to support so no way he passes up on the money.

I agree with you Hiero. Holmes is a playmaker. I almost feel its a better comparison between Holmes and Steve Smith. Holmes is a bit taller though. I don't think Holmes will be as injury plagued as Glenn has unfortunately been. I also agree that he'd be my choice as a mid to late first round draft pick. But I don't really think he'll be available to us, but this year is as an example of anything can happen. I never thought we could land both Ware and Spears this past draft!!! :starspin

[Hiero]

I agree with you Hiero. Holmes is a playmaker. I almost feel its a better comparison between Holmes and Steve Smith. Holmes is a bit taller though. I don't think Holmes will be as injury plagued as Glenn has unfortunately been. I also agree that he'd be my choice as a mid to late first round draft pick. But I don't really think he'll be available to us, but this year is as an example of anything can happen. I never thought we could land both Ware and Spears this past draft!!! :starspin
yep, I think he will be available. I think hagan will be the first wr taken, but i just dont see many wr going first round. Nance, Hagan and Holmes will be the top candidates atm. Holmes could slide to our pick mid 20's and I would love to get him.

[MichaelWinicki]

Hey man... I was first on the Watkins bandwagon... :mad: :mad: :mad:

He is just what we need though. Tall, very athletic, rangy... The "centerfielder" free safety we haven't had since... Well, forever.


Kendall Watkins?

We already drafted him. :)

[EastCoastLawnmowers]

the WR from ND, cant spell his last name. key and glenn are getting old. ND, crayton would be a good 1,2 in a few years

[Hiero]

the WR from ND, cant spell his last name. key and glenn are getting old. ND, crayton would be a good 1,2 in a few years
jeff samardzija is staying another year with Quinn i am willing to bet.

[Nors]

Road Grader Watkins - him and Gurode can share a duplex somewhere.

Ex Road grader to be's

[kevwun]

Michael Huff is tall and fast. He's also really bright, one of the smartest kids on Texas' team. He will be a good one. His stocks probably going to rise even more at the combine because of his workout, wonderlic score and interviews.

[MiStar]

I like S. Holmes, but I don't think that any WR's are worthy of a first round draft pick. Holmes wouldn't even get much playing time immediately, unless Glenn or Keyshawn decide to call it quits.

I don't think we'll be picking a WR high until one of those two retire, and maybe not even then.

[Doomsday101]

Michael Huff is tall and fast. He's also really bright, one of the smartest kids on Texas' team. He will be a good one. His stocks probably going to rise even more at the combine because of his workout, wonderlic score and interviews.

I agree. I think this kid is going to have a bright future in the NFL, he has a great nose for the ball and excellent speed.

[MichaelWinicki]

I honestly don't see us signing a FA center unless we cleared some cap room off of the present OL.

I also don't think Johnson has been the car wreck everyone seems to think he is.

[MichaelWinicki]

I like S. Holmes, but I don't think that any WR's are worthy of a first round draft pick. Holmes wouldn't even get much playing time immediately, unless Glenn or Keyshawn decide to call it quits.

I don't think we'll be picking a WR high until one of those two retire, and maybe not even then.


I don't think so either. Parcells isn't big on selecting wide receivers that high.

[Tristan]

Dream Scenario#1 Trade up and draft Matt Leinart! maybe Flozell and a couple picks to the Texans?
Wishfull Thinking#2 Trade down with our first round pick (ala Buff. Trade) to acquire an extra 2007 1st and have two 2nd's in 2006 and maybe recoup the fourth. Then with the two seconds we could get a FS and BPA OT/LB/DT, then in 2007 with two firsts we would be in position to trade up for Vince Young or Brady Quinn (unless Henson shows up big time) or draft a young wr or two like Dewayne Jarrett (USC), Calvin Johnson (GT) or Tedd Ginn Jr. (OSU) all superior IMO to the 2006 WR's.
Reality check #3 2006
Rd. 1= Santonio Holmes(OSU) or Jimmy Williams (FS,VT)
Rd. 2= Michael Huff(TX)/Steve Smith(USC)/Pat Watkins(FSU)
Rd. 3= Devon Hester (Pr/Kr, Miami)

On Record=#1 Keep Glover. Glover in a rotation is a huge assett and has a couple solid years left if used this way, as well as beeing key to our ability to to switch to the 4/3 at any time. D line is solid for a couple years IMO.
#2 Sign Reggie Wayne. He is exactly what we need at WR. Tall, Fast, Athletic with great hands. Glenn goes to slot. also love Brandon lloyd(SF) but I think the Niners will lock him up.

[Hiero]

Lloyd is a damn good player. Great hands, would like him on the team here as well.

[Nors]

I don't think so either. Parcells isn't big on selecting wide receivers that high.+

Not sure if he drafted Key #1 but he drafted Glenn Top 10.....

[junk]

+

Not sure if he drafted Key #1 but he drafted Glenn Top 10.....

And he wasn't very darn happy about it either.

I don't think he drafted Key either

[Tristan]

I really wanted us to draft Lloyd coming out of Illinois, I think it was the draft we took Brady James instead in the fourth. I guess that's working out pretty well now, but man I couldn't believe Lloyd slipped to the fourth, he is always making the most unreall catches.

[MichaelWinicki]

+

Not sure if he drafted Key #1 but he drafted Glenn Top 10.....


I don't think he was involved in either.

[Hiero]

I really wanted us to draft Lloyd coming out of Illinois, I think it was the draft we took Brady James instead in the fourth. I guess that's working out pretty well now, but man I couldn't believe Lloyd slipped to the fourth, he is always making the most unreall catches.
I get to watch all their games, he just made the craziest catch ever last week.

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2005/11/07/sp_giants49erscajc101.jpg

[MiStar]

Key was drafted the same year as Glenn. BP didn't want to take Glenn, and thus ended up leaving the Pats.

[Natedawg44]

Round 1 Martin Nance WR Miami Ohio
Round 2 Davin Joseph OG/OT Oklahoma
Round 3 Dominque Byrd TE USC
Round 4 Brodie Coyle QB Alabama
Round 5 Jason Allen CB/S Tennessee
Round 6 Lawerence Vickers FB Colorado
Round 7 Mike D'Andrea ILB Ohio State

[Nors]

I get to watch all their games, he just made the craziest catch ever last week.

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2005/11/07/sp_giants49erscajc101.jpg


I happened to catch that play live -

Holy Mackerall - that pass looked air mailed. Over his head and behind him. He somehow grabbed it one handed and brought it in. One of the most amazing catches I ever saw. Kick in the chestnuts it was called back on penalty....

[MarionBarberThe4th]

lloyd is a pretty underrated WR. Hes not a blazer, but he has some of the nicer hands in the league. Ive seen him make a few crazy catches.

Theese ones are nice

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http://www.nflgoddess.com/images2003/w17_brandon_lloyd_lg.jpghttp://gra.midco.net/techshark/images/Lloyd.jpg




I wonder when hes a FA. Hed make a nice cheap 3rd behind Crayton and --1st or 2nd round draft pick next year--
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[MarionBarberThe4th]

Brian Leonard might be as solid a lock as there could be for Parcells...

That guy will be a stud, as I mentioned in another thread.

I wont pretened to act like an expert, but seeing as hes a FB, and from a small school, I think hell go around round 3. Id love him on here bc he can be a serious weapon, he can run, block, and catch but Im not sure if we can use that pick on a bigger need.

[gimmesix]

This team right NOW needs to upgrade at FS and the O line. BUT we have some young people that might, by the end of the year, show that we have either more or less to worry about in those positions. That is why any mocks now are truly WORTHLESS.

I agree. As of right now, it looks like free safety will be our only starting need, which to me makes it the priority and the logical first round pick since you typically want to get someone who can contribute immediately with that pick.

But things can definitely change, and even if safety remained our only starting need, I would have to see who is available with the pick before feeling Dallas should take a FS No. 1.

[DeWare94]

Greg Blue For Fs!

[Hiero]

I happened to catch that play live -

Holy Mackerall - that pass looked air mailed. Over his head and behind him. He somehow grabbed it one handed and brought it in. One of the most amazing catches I ever saw. Kick in the chestnuts it was called back on penalty....
me too, I couldnt believe he caught it, it looked like he caught it with two fingers when i saw it live. Crazy stuff, I would love to steal him away from the 49ers. He can make some big plays if he has time to get open.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I can't imagine anybody giving up a 1st round pick for an eleven year vet.

[silverbear]

Put your mock out there.

Okey dokey... I'll do it just a bit differently, at first I'll offer a few alternatives for each pick, in order of my preference, then at the end I'll lay out how I'd do it if everything broke right... but I won't be projecting any trades of veterans...

FIRST ROUND:

Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn... 6-9, 340 pounds, 5.25 sec. 40
Jonathon Scott, OT, Texas... 6-7, 310 pounds, 5.2 sec. 40
Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas... 6-4, 316 pounds, 4.95 sec. 40

If the Cowboys stay in the first round (if they're drafting as low as I expect them to, certainly after pick 20, I'd think seriously about trading down into the early 2nd round and add another 2nd or 3rd rounder), then I say go for offensive line help...

SECOND ROUND:

Michael Huff, FS, Texas... 6-1, 205 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40
Martin Nance, WR, Miami-Ohio... 6-5, 216 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40...
Max-Jean Gilles, OG, Georgia... 6-4, 340 pounds, 5.25 sec. 40...
Mike DeGory, C, Florida... 6-5, 316 pounds, 5.25 sec. 40...
Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State... 6-3, 240 pounds, 4.55 sec. 40...
Elvis Dumerville, DE/OLB, Louisville... 6-1, 250 pounds, 4.6 sec. 40...

Gotta upgrade at FS, and I'd do so in free agency and in the draft... put a dynamic player in that slot, and this defense could get scary good, IMO... if the Boys did trade down some, Nance would be a solid addition at WR, or Gilles or DeGory would be quality additions to the interior of the OL...

THIRD ROUND:

Matt Bernstein, FB, Wisconsin... 6-1, 265 pounds, 4.7 sec. 40...
Jason Allen, FS/CB, Tennessee... 6-2, 200 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40...
Todd Watkins, WR, BYU... 6-3, 195 pounds, 4.35 sec. 40...
Thomas Howard, OLB, UTEP... 6-3, 240 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40...
Donnie McCleskey, CB/FS, Cal... 5-10, 195 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40...
Chijioke Oyenegeche, CB, Oklahoma... 6-1, 205 pounds, 4.35 sec. 40

The sheer number of interesting prospects in this round is one big reason why I'd contemplate trading down out of the first round, in the hopes of adding two players at this point... Bernstein seems to me to be a Parcells-type FB, he can run the ball and catch it too... Allen would have been a first rounder if he hadn't hurt his hip pretty bad this season, perhaps he could be this draft's Chris Canty... Watkins is the fastest of the blue-chip wideouts in this draft... Howard is blazing fast for a LB, I think of him as a bigger, more physical Dexter Coakley... he has a big-play rep...

FIFTH ROUND:

Ryan Cook, C/OT, New Mexico... 6-7, 340 pounds, 5.3 sec. 40...
Kwakou Robinson, DT, Virginia... 6-4, 325 pounds, 5.0 sec. 40...
Will Allen, OG/C Texas... 6-6, 310 pounds, 5.3 sec. 40...
Reed Doughty, S, Northern Colorado... 6-1, 210 pounds, 4.5 sec. 40

If the Boys want to get bigger at center, Cook is the way to go... Allen would also make a nice backup, with his ability to play center and guard... Robinson has experience working in a Parcells-type defense under Al Groh at Virginia, though he's not really a classic NT... injuries have kept him from reaching his potential in college... Doughty is leading the nation in tackles the last I checked, averaging right at 15 a game... he's had over 400 tackles in his career, and has some cover skills, racking up 12 ints thus far in his college career... he's one of my Super Sleeper Specials...

SIXTH ROUND:

Barrick Nealy, QB, Texas State... 6-4, 230 pounds, 4.75 sec. 40...
William Winston, OT, Texas... 6-7, 350 pounds, 5.35 sec. 40...
Zac Tubbs, OT, Arkansas... 6-6, 350 pounds, 5.35 sec. 40...

I strongly believe that the best value to be found in the late rounds of any draft is to be found on the offensive line... but Nealy is a really intriguing QB prospect on the I-AA level, leading Texas State to a 7-2 record this season (including a competitive, 44-31 loss to Texas A&M at A&M)...

SEVENTH ROUND:

Toby Ziegler, WR, Northwestern St. (La.)... 6-1, 195, 4.4 sec. 40...
Jerad Estes, RB, Midwestern State... 6-1, 210 pounds, 4.4 sec. 40...
Patrick Cobbs, RB, North Texas... 5-9, 200 pounds, 4.5 sec. 40...
Jose Garcia, OG, UTEP... 6-2, 316 pounds, 5.3 sec. 40...

My draft to this point hasn't really paid a lot of attention to the offensive skill positions, hence the choices here... these picks have a nice "local" flavor to them, too, 3 players from Texas, 1 from Louisiana...

So, if things shook out more or less the way I see them in this analysis, here's what I'd do:

2a) (trade down): Michael Huff, FS, Texas...
2b) Martin Nance, WR, Miami-Ohio...
3a) Matt Bernstein, FB, Wisconsin...
3b) Thomas Howard, OLB, UTEP...
5) Ryan Cook, C/OT, New Mexico...
6) Barrick Nealy, QB, Texas State...
7) Jose Garcia, OG, UTEP...

Hmmm, I just recognized that I have the Boys drafting 2 Miners here... yeah, I'm a little biased... LOL...

I believe this draft addresses a lot of holes on the roster, and I believe the players recommended are currently rated by the "experts" about where I have them listed... of course, what the Boys do in free agency will have some impact on their draft decisions, but at this early date, I could live with this mock...

[Hostile]

So, if things shook out more or less the way I see them in this analysis, here's what I'd do:

2a) (trade down): Michael Huff, FS, Texas...
2b) Martin Nance, WR, Miami-Ohio...
3a) Matt Bernstein, FB, Wisconsin...
3b) Thomas Howard, OLB, UTEP...
5) Ryan Cook, C/OT, New Mexico...
6) Barrick Nealy, QB, Texas State...
7) Jose Garcia, OG, UTEP...Sold. I'll take this right now. Be hard for me to pass up Rod Wright, Bobby Carpenter, and Todd Watkins on Day 1 if your projections turn out correct.

Add Will Demps from B-more in FA and I'd be giddy.

[silverbear]

Sold. I'll take this right now. Be hard for me to pass up Rod Wright, Bobby Carpenter, and Todd Watkins on Day 1 if your projections turn out correct.

Add Will Demps from B-more in FA and I'd be giddy.

Aw, a half a beer makes you giddy... :D

[Hostile]

Aw, a half a beer makes you giddy... :DNyquil buddy.

:wink2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nyquil buddy.

:wink2:

As I recall, Hos don't drink. He's high on life.

:)

[silverbear]

Nyquil buddy.

:wink2:

That stuff would make a veteran boozer giddy...

[Portland Fanatic]

Sold. I'll take this right now. Be hard for me to pass up Rod Wright, Bobby Carpenter, and Todd Watkins on Day 1 if your projections turn out correct.

Add Will Demps from B-more in FA and I'd be giddy.

I agree...I think Watkins stock will rise at the combines big time. 6'3/190 and runs 4.40...with great hands. I've seen BYU play twice this year and he's impressed big time.

Carpenter...if he's there how does BP pass??? Not sure he could do it...

I also like TE/Long snapper Troy Bienemann...a better TE then Robinson was as a 4th TE and we need that LS.

Let me add Will Blackmon to this list too as a big fast CB/WR/Special teams animal. Could serve as LCB in nickle Glenn role (T-new is in slot)...plays WR...could be 5th WR. I understand he is incredible in the return game...could be a late 2nd to late 3rd round player.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree...I think Watkins stock will rise at the combines big time. 6'3/190 and runs 4.40...with great hands. I've seen BYU play twice this year and he's impressed big time.

Carpenter...if he's there how does BP pass??? Not sure he could do it...

I also like TE/Long snapper Troy Bienemann...a better TE then Robinson was as a 4th TE and we need that LS.

Let me add Will Blackmon to this list too as a big fast CB/WR/Special teams animal. Could serve as LCB in nickle Glenn role (T-new is in slot)...plays WR...could be 5th WR. I understand he is incredible in the return game...could be a late 2nd to late 3rd round player.

I kind of like Baskett out of UNM. I think he could be a nice player in the NFL.

[5mics]

Who does Watkins play for Nors? I know nothing about him... I'm all for getting a good FS though.
Look no further than Michael Huff, FS, Texas..... :cool:

[bsheeern]

My first stab -

Trade players / future picks to garner 2nd #1.....
Assume we have all picks later rounds (some traded etc)

1a) Ngata NT Fergi backup in 2006
1B) Pat Watkins - S 6-4 205 4.5
2) I'm sold - Klopfenstein TE 6-5+ 245 4.59
3) Jonathan Orr WR - 6-1 193 4.31 SLEEPER
4) Dontrell my man Moore RB - STEAL of draft
5) J Lewis DT - 6-1 310 DT depth
6) M Lawson DE/OLB 6-5 230 4.7 TWEENER
7) Ricky Santos!!!! RS sophomore :) QB/RB UNH rewriting 1 -AA record books.... Next crayton
Although I would love to get Manny Lawson, I doubt he last past the 3rd round if that.

[5mics]

Well!!!!I would like to have Huff........I'm first on that bandwagon.
I've been on the bandwagon since Huff was a junior..... :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

Although I would love to get Manny Lawson, I doubt he last past the 3rd round if that.


I think a lot depends on what he weighs by end of season. I really like Lawson and if he checks in at 250 or so, he's gone in the late first, early second IMO. If he comes in at 235 or so, then I think he will be there in the third.

[Hiero]

Although I would love to get Manny Lawson, I doubt he last past the 3rd round if that.
Manny may end up going in the first with a good combine.

[VACowboy]

I love the idea of trading out of the first for a second and a third.

I think Bobby Carpenter and Dumervil would both be tough for Parcells to pass up.

[Hiero]

both of them? are just either or? we dont need two more olb's.

[BigDFan5]

I'm a dog on a bone....

On Glover actually I was pro keeping him to play both 4-3 and 3-4. Many said he could not do that - they were wrong.....
2006 - its time to upgrade at his age/Cap/size....


I just had to go back to see what you said very interesting indeed.


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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif We get that FA crop?


I'm rockin with ya, not buying Glover a true 3-4 NT - but a guy that can be moved around some. Also, Glenn has a bigger role.




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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Glover?



How old is he? Always been very small - did you see him getting blown into the end zone on that run play last week. They replayed it and he was driven seven yards off the line of scrimmage. He's a very good player towards the end of a career.

We are sorely lacking size on our front Seven thats for sure and its being exploited.




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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif lOOK AT THOSE dt, de NAMES! WHO?


Ellis can play at 280, Glover at 275 is a problem wherever you line him up. Coileman has size - we are lacking NT - Draft FA.

Hartwell and lots of 3-4 type DE/LB's in this draft. Look for DE's a tad small (Pollack) and LB's with size.

We get a destructive defense next year and solidify QB we can be real dangerous.




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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif hmmm


Maryland and Glover are very similar. Undersized DT's that had a good burst, penetration, disruptive.

I want a 6-6 DT that is a disrupter in the middle - go find him. Starks? lol




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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif What?
Ban someone for discussing what Parcells said today regarding 3-4?

Thats wrong.


Fact is Parcells said he had "plenty" of 3-4 De's. Glover is one of them.............

He said they were lacking the LB's. He said they were looking at DE's that he can move to LB.............. :eek:



I liked this one too

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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Does anyone listen?

I have NEVER advocated Base 3-4, I've advocated the ability to play 3-4 15-25% of the time. To be a diverse and not predictable D.




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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Glovers Play Is On Decline, I'm not staying 4-3 for him


The Defense is broken!!!!!!!!!! He will benefit from a large NT and 3-4 DE's are hybrid DT's in reality. He will excel at 3-4 DE. He's an interior player who will wreak havoc wherever you line him up.

4-3
3-4

We will play both next year!





There are so many more from looking at them Nors didn't think we would be 3-4 full time, Glover would be a DE and in one post he said Glover at LB, Said we would move Glenn or Henry To FS, Replace Glover in many many posts.

The best one is where he said he never advocated being a 3-4 team

[Nors]

Bingo on adding FerGuson as large 3-4 NT

Almost always have advocated 3-4 base defense with some 4-3 looks.

Thats what Bellicheck/Parcells have always done.

Glover is getting older and is too small to play full time 3-4 and his roatation is down. Ferguson will be on field more and more.

I liked Glover to be what he is - a transitional NT. I thought he could and still do play in both schemes! Veteran player.

I was much more critical on Ellis handling transition.

[Nors]

[QUOTE=BigDFan5]I just had to go back to see what you said very interesting indeed.

Hammerhead - thanks for making my points!

most all of that was pre signing NT Ferguson and drafting Front 7 beef!

[BigDFan5]

Bingo on adding FerGuson as large 3-4 NT

Almost always have advocated 3-4 base defense with some 4-3 looks.

Thats what Bellicheck/Parcells have always done.

Glover is getting older and is too small to play full time 3-4 and his roatation is down. Ferguson will be on field more and more.

I liked Glover to be what he is - a transitional NT. I thought he could and still do play in both schemes! Veteran player.

I was much more critical on Ellis handling transition.


Always advocated 3-4 with 4-3 looks? BS go back and read your posts:

have NEVER advocated Base 3-4, I've advocated the ability to play 3-4 15-25%

Seems to me the nothing but 3-4 argument came later



Glover is the starter you never expected that Heck you didnt expect him at NT


I liked Glover to be what he is - a transitional NT.

Nice try at the Spin but you said repeatedly he would be a DE not NT and he isnt situational he is the starter lol



I was much more critical on Ellis handling transition.


If by critical you mean wrong then ok

[BigDFan5]

[QUOTE=BigDFan5]I just had to go back to see what you said very interesting indeed.

Hammerhead - thanks for making my points!

most all of that was pre signing NT Ferguson and drafting Front 7 beef!



Have you figured out the difference between a delay and a draw yet? :lmao:

[pgreptom]

We're going to blow a mid-level on ANOTHER running back? Quit dreaming.

We've got our backs.

[Hostile]

[QUOTE=Nors]



Have you figured out the difference between a delay and a draw yet? :lmao:I have my doubts. I mean after all it's "1970's trivia."

[Nors]

Nice diversionary attempt to distract the fact that you were dead *** wrong. Very predictable and I will never answer that silly question you football guru you!

HAHA

[Nors]

You continue to prove all my points. Thanks

Ferguson NT signed, Aging Glovers role reduced - Fact
I said Glover could play in both schemes. Always contended that
3-4 and some 4-3 as I stated in your cut/paste - spot on

I'm suprised Ellis has handled 3-4 but with Spears, Canty, Rat getting increased reps it could prolong his career.


Thanks again for proving my points!

[Nors]

Okey dokey... I'll do it just a bit differently, at first I'll offer a few alternatives for each pick, in order of my preference, then at the end I'll lay out how I'd do it if everything broke right... but I won't be projecting any trades of veterans...

FIRST ROUND:

Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn... 6-9, 340 pounds, 5.25 sec. 40
Jonathon Scott, OT, Texas... 6-7, 310 pounds, 5.2 sec. 40
Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas... 6-4, 316 pounds, 4.95 sec. 40

If the Cowboys stay in the first round (if they're drafting as low as I expect them to, certainly after pick 20, I'd think seriously about trading down into the early 2nd round and add another 2nd or 3rd rounder), then I say go for offensive line help...

SECOND ROUND:

Michael Huff, FS, Texas... 6-1, 205 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40
Martin Nance, WR, Miami-Ohio... 6-5, 216 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40...
Max-Jean Gilles, OG, Georgia... 6-4, 340 pounds, 5.25 sec. 40...
Mike DeGory, C, Florida... 6-5, 316 pounds, 5.25 sec. 40...
Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State... 6-3, 240 pounds, 4.55 sec. 40...
Elvis Dumerville, DE/OLB, Louisville... 6-1, 250 pounds, 4.6 sec. 40...

Gotta upgrade at FS, and I'd do so in free agency and in the draft... put a dynamic player in that slot, and this defense could get scary good, IMO... if the Boys did trade down some, Nance would be a solid addition at WR, or Gilles or DeGory would be quality additions to the interior of the OL...

THIRD ROUND:

Matt Bernstein, FB, Wisconsin... 6-1, 265 pounds, 4.7 sec. 40...
Jason Allen, FS/CB, Tennessee... 6-2, 200 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40...
Todd Watkins, WR, BYU... 6-3, 195 pounds, 4.35 sec. 40...
Thomas Howard, OLB, UTEP... 6-3, 240 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40...
Donnie McCleskey, CB/FS, Cal... 5-10, 195 pounds, 4.45 sec. 40...
Chijioke Oyenegeche, CB, Oklahoma... 6-1, 205 pounds, 4.35 sec. 40

The sheer number of interesting prospects in this round is one big reason why I'd contemplate trading down out of the first round, in the hopes of adding two players at this point... Bernstein seems to me to be a Parcells-type FB, he can run the ball and catch it too... Allen would have been a first rounder if he hadn't hurt his hip pretty bad this season, perhaps he could be this draft's Chris Canty... Watkins is the fastest of the blue-chip wideouts in this draft... Howard is blazing fast for a LB, I think of him as a bigger, more physical Dexter Coakley... he has a big-play rep...

FIFTH ROUND:

Ryan Cook, C/OT, New Mexico... 6-7, 340 pounds, 5.3 sec. 40...
Kwakou Robinson, DT, Virginia... 6-4, 325 pounds, 5.0 sec. 40...
Will Allen, OG/C Texas... 6-6, 310 pounds, 5.3 sec. 40...
Reed Doughty, S, Northern Colorado... 6-1, 210 pounds, 4.5 sec. 40

If the Boys want to get bigger at center, Cook is the way to go... Allen would also make a nice backup, with his ability to play center and guard... Robinson has experience working in a Parcells-type defense under Al Groh at Virginia, though he's not really a classic NT... injuries have kept him from reaching his potential in college... Doughty is leading the nation in tackles the last I checked, averaging right at 15 a game... he's had over 400 tackles in his career, and has some cover skills, racking up 12 ints thus far in his college career... he's one of my Super Sleeper Specials...

SIXTH ROUND:

Barrick Nealy, QB, Texas State... 6-4, 230 pounds, 4.75 sec. 40...
William Winston, OT, Texas... 6-7, 350 pounds, 5.35 sec. 40...
Zac Tubbs, OT, Arkansas... 6-6, 350 pounds, 5.35 sec. 40...

I strongly believe that the best value to be found in the late rounds of any draft is to be found on the offensive line... but Nealy is a really intriguing QB prospect on the I-AA level, leading Texas State to a 7-2 record this season (including a competitive, 44-31 loss to Texas A&M at A&M)...

SEVENTH ROUND:

Toby Ziegler, WR, Northwestern St. (La.)... 6-1, 195, 4.4 sec. 40...
Jerad Estes, RB, Midwestern State... 6-1, 210 pounds, 4.4 sec. 40...
Patrick Cobbs, RB, North Texas... 5-9, 200 pounds, 4.5 sec. 40...
Jose Garcia, OG, UTEP... 6-2, 316 pounds, 5.3 sec. 40...

My draft to this point hasn't really paid a lot of attention to the offensive skill positions, hence the choices here... these picks have a nice "local" flavor to them, too, 3 players from Texas, 1 from Louisiana...

So, if things shook out more or less the way I see them in this analysis, here's what I'd do:

2a) (trade down): Michael Huff, FS, Texas...
2b) Martin Nance, WR, Miami-Ohio...
3a) Matt Bernstein, FB, Wisconsin...
3b) Thomas Howard, OLB, UTEP...
5) Ryan Cook, C/OT, New Mexico...
6) Barrick Nealy, QB, Texas State...
7) Jose Garcia, OG, UTEP...

Hmmm, I just recognized that I have the Boys drafting 2 Miners here... yeah, I'm a little biased... LOL...

I believe this draft addresses a lot of holes on the roster, and I believe the players recommended are currently rated by the "experts" about where I have them listed... of course, what the Boys do in free agency will have some impact on their draft decisions, but at this early date, I could live with this mock...Good take - I like Carpenter a LOT -

[junk]

Good take - I like Carpenter a LOT -

Dang it. We agree on something. Carpenter is by far my favorite draft prospect right now. A custom fit for this defense. Make Fujita a reserve.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see a mid round back picked up either. A RA clone.

[Rush 2112]

Dang it. We agree on something. Carpenter is by far my favorite draft prospect right now. A custom fit for this defense. Make Fujita a reserve.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see a mid round back picked up either. A RA clone.


Kumbaya...........

Carpenter is my favorite too.

[VACowboy]

Bobby Carpenter is my choice in the first round too. He's big and talented and is a perfect fit for the Dallas D. A real playmaker. But another guy I REALLY like is Elvis Dumervil. He had two sacks as a soph, 10 as a junior and has totaled *20* so far this year, 4 shy of Suggs' record. He's only 6' tall, but he weighs 256 pounds, has freakish long arms and a quick first step. (Freeney is 6-1, 265.) I think Dumervil may be a steal in the early second, a real impact-type player at the OLB spot in Parcells' 3-4.

[VACowboy]

Trade out of the first, per SilverBear.

2> Elvis Dumervil (OLB) - 6'0", 256
2> Max Jean-Gilles (OG/OT) - 6'4", 340
3> Todd Watkins (WR) - 6'3", 190
3> Greg Blue (FS) - 6'2", 215
5> Jeremy Trueblood (OT) - 6'8", 320
6> Lawrence Vickers (FB) - 6'2", 235
6> Troy Bieneman (TE) - 6'5", 360
7> Justin Holland (QB) - 6'3" 207

[Nors]

Blue goes in 1st to early 2nd.

I like Ngata, Carpenter as targets first 2 rounds. I can also see us trading plaers or future picks to get 2 1sts. Imagine 2 MEGA drafts back to back? The future is NOW

[DezBRomo9]

Trade out of the first, per SilverBear.

2> Elvis Dumervil (OLB) - 6'0", 256
2> Max Jean-Gilles (OG/OT) - 6'4", 340
3> Todd Watkins (WR) - 6'3", 190
3> Greg Blue (FS) - 6'2", 215
5> Jeremy Trueblood (OT) - 6'8", 320
6> Lawrence Vickers (FB) - 6'2", 235
6> Troy Bieneman (TE) - 6'5", 360
7> Justin Holland (QB) - 6'3" 207

Im thinking we are trading out of the first too. Instead of getting a 2nd, 3rd and late pick we get a 2nd,4th and a 1st next year.

2a. Chad Jackson WR UF
2b. Mike Huff FS- UT
3. Max-Jean Gilles, OG, Georgia
4. Matt Bernstein, FB, Wisconsin My favorite pick in this draft
5. Chijioke Oyenegeche, CB, Oklahoma
6. OG/OT depth
7. Dline depth/Developmental QB.
I also think we will chase after either Chris Hope or Will Demps.

[Nors]

What are the football games to watch today and tonight?

[scottsp]

Nors: absolutely LSU and Bama hooking up today. That's must see.

[Nors]

Nors: absolutely LSU and Bama hooking up today. That's must see.


Watching it now - players to watch?

I have Auburn/Georgia tonight -

Watch Auburn TE and Geogia Safety Blue

[scottsp]

God, I can't say enough about Michael Huff. I saw plenty of him at Nimitz HS in Irving, not far from here. But that kid keeps impressing every time out. He is a FS (can also play corner) and leader of a pretty darn salty UT secondary. Gene Chizik and Duane Akina, the Texas DCs have such confidence in the kid and his intelligence, he is allowed the freedom to check out of defensive calls and change coverages that were sent in originally.

Huff plays smart and he plays fast. Great ball skills too.

[Natedawg44]

We are starting to see some favorites on the board.
Micheal Huff
A few have mentioned Vickers from Colorado
Bobby Carpenter

Amhad Brooks was the rage last year but Bradie James and Shanle's play and Brooks not having an incredible year have tempered those.

Here's to picking 32 in the 2006 NFL draft

[Silverstar]

I seriously doubt we will draft another DL in the 1st round. We just drafted Spears, Canty, Ratliff and then got lucky with Johnson. Glover isn't going anywhere IMO, because BP's intention was to lessen his snaps and lengthen his career in Dallas with a solid rotation...we have that now. I have nothing against adding DT/NT depth, but not with our 1st round pick. With the additions of Scott Fujita, Quinton Caver and Kalen Thornton coming back next year, I seriously doubt we draft a LB early or even at all IMO.

And now for something completely different...


1. WR Jarrett Hicks 6-4 210/Texas Tech...Great size, good speed and can learn from KJ and Glenn next year. I have a feeling that he'll declare with Cody Hodges leaving and will be the next great #88 in Dallas. Simply put, we need to DRAFT our #1 receiver in 2006 and I really like Hicks and his potential.

2. RB Taurean Henderson 5-10 205/Texas Tech...Nose for the endzone and can catch anything thrown at him. A better prospect than Westbrook coming out and Parcells has said, you can never have enough good RB's.

3. CB/FS Jason Allen 6-0 200/Tennesee...Should slide because of season ending injury to hip. If not, FS Darrell Brooks 6-1 210/Arizona is another good prospect to consider in the 3rd round IMO.

4. Could trade 1 or 2 players for this selection...maybe a Dat Nguyen? :eek:
If so, I would go after an OL in this round. I would like to draft either Will Allen 6-6 305/Texas or Reggie Butler 6-6 345/Virginia Tech. Both are solid prospects from very good programs. Butler is on the heavy side, but so was Pettiti last year.

5. DT Kwakou Robinson 6-4 325/Virginia....Big and strong prospect with a tremendous upside. A no-brainer if he actually falls this far. If not, then maybe Anthony Montgomery 6-5 315/Minnesota...could probably play anywhere on the DL with his size.

6. FB Rashon Powers-Neal 6-2 245/Notre Dame...good all-around FB and will replace Polite almost immediately. Already played with JJ and is coming from Parcells' old buddy Weis to boot. Another possibility at FB I like is Jake Slaughter 6-1 245/Auburn.

7. WR Maurice Stovall 6-5 225/Notre Dame...Simply put, if he's still on the board we take him. Another guy I like in this round would be David Thomas 6-3 230/Texas...has great hands, tough, moves the chains and can score.


A little "over the top" maybe with this type of draft, but I'll take it anyday folks. :)

[scottsp]

Nors: I would say SS Roman Harper and OLB DeMeco Ryans from Alabama would be certainly worth checking out. Harper hits like a truck, but might be one of those kids who struggles more in the NFL when asked to cover a lot. Ryans can definitely play, I think. Very instinctive kid who makes plays off the edge. Might be a tad smallish for your tastes as a 3-4 OLB. Still, a very nice player.

LSU has a couple of guys though I have only seen them a couple times this season. David Jones is a pretty good TE (6'4" 265). Andrew Whitworth is a massive offensive tackle. Not quite the size of McNeill or Ferguson, but still 6'6" and 325. Certainly big enough and is a nice athlete. Wroten and Williams are pretty solid DTs for them, but I don't know as much about them except what I've read. Check those two Nors and lemme know your thoughts.

[scottsp]

2. RB Taurean Henderson 5-10 205/Texas Tech...Nose for the endzone and can catch anything thrown at him. A better prospect than Westbrook coming out and Parcells has said, you can never have enough good RB's.

Very good stuff, SS...

The Henderson mention particularly caught my eye. I do believe he's the NCAA all-time leader in receptions among running backs. Feel free to correct me if that's not the case, but I believe that is right. He is elusive and does indeed catch the ball really well.

[scottsp]

Oh, and what's not to like about Bobby Carpenter and AJ Hawk. Active and extremely disruptive LBs. What I like about them most is how physical they play. Those kids do not shy away from the point of attack.

[Hostile]

Oh, and what's not to like about Bobby Carpenter and AJ Hawk. Active and extremely disruptive LBs. What I like about them most is how physical they play. Those kids do not shy away from the point of attack.Don't forget how smart they both are too.

[junk]

I seriously doubt we will draft another DL in the 1st round. We just drafted Spears, Canty, Ratliff and then got lucky with Johnson. Glover isn't going anywhere IMO, because BP's intention was to lessen his snaps and lengthen his career in Dallas with a solid rotation...we have that now. I have nothing against adding DT/NT depth, but not with our 1st round pick. With the additions of Scott Fujita, Quinton Caver and Kalen Thornton coming back next year, I seriously doubt we draft a LB early or even at all IMO.



I don't know. I am not counting on a guy who couldn't beat out Al Singleton, a ST LB that has bounced around from team to team and an undrafted FA with an injury history to magically fill this OLB position. Bill mentioned it in a PC as being a tough position to fill. I'd be all for adding a talented guy there.

ILB as well. I like what James/Shanle/Dat have done there this year. I hope, at some point, Burnett gets it and is in the mix there too. Would I like an upgrade there? Certainly.

This team needs offensive playmakers in the worst way too though.

[jterrell]

I am a big Tech fan and Henderson will go in the top 3 rounds gauranteed but Hicks will not go round 1. He just doesn't have enough speed. I'd say he is a mid 2nd to mid 3rd round prospect.


Stovall will go in the same area as Hicks and probably before him. Stovall blocks extremely well and uses his size well. I'd take him over Hicks. If Stovall gets the speed training to run in the 4'5"s he will go late 1st. Not a tremendously different prospect from Mike Williams.

Taurean Henderson is a Westbrook type for sure. Unbeleivably good hands and the ability to regularly make the first guy miss. Probably not quite as good top end speed as Westbrook but a very good 3rd down back or WCO back.

Other Techies to watch are Dwayne Slay and Vincent Meeks at safety. Slay is a strong hitter who broke Derrick Johnson's long-lived(1 year, lol) fumble caused record. Meeks has coverage skills galore having played lots of CB and Slay is a monster tackler with very good range. I would think both are 2nd day selections tho Slay could go in round 3.

[Hiero]

Wisconsin vs iowa bernstein, joe thomas, hodge, greenway.

[Silverstar]

I am a big Tech fan and Henderson will go in the top 3 rounds gauranteed but Hicks will not go round 1. He just doesn't have enough speed. I'd say he is a mid 2nd to mid 3rd round prospect.


I hope all the other teams think just like you do, then Hicks will still be there when we pick....at #32 :)




:star:

[Reed]

anthony smith had another int today for cuse, keep your eye on him in draft workouts

[Nors]

Coach P ties at the cuse.....

[Reed]

yeah, coach p recruited him, hes got 6 ints on the year, hes 6-1 200 pounds, pretty athletic, keep a close eye on him

[Nors]

Thanks -I've added him to my database of prospects.

[Reed]

no problem, cuse is known for producing good nfl safeties too.

[Chocolate Lab]

Hey JT, what do you think about Saldi? Isn't he about a 6-5 linebacker? Is he hurt too much for Parcells to want him? He does have the NFL father going for him. :)

[Nors]

UGA Auburn on -

[5mics]

God, I can't say enough about Michael Huff. I saw plenty of him at Nimitz HS in Irving, not far from here. But that kid keeps impressing every time out. He is a FS (can also play corner) and leader of a pretty darn salty UT secondary. Gene Chizik and Duane Akina, the Texas DCs have such confidence in the kid and his intelligence, he is allowed the freedom to check out of defensive calls and change coverages that were sent in originally.

Huff plays smart and he plays fast. Great ball skills too.
Agree wholeheartedly!!! There's NO WAY Huff will last into the 2nd round! It's either the 1st round or someone else cuz he won't be available afterwards.....

[Silverstar]

Very good stuff, SS...

The Henderson mention particularly caught my eye. I do believe he's the NCAA all-time leader in receptions among running backs. Feel free to correct me if that's not the case, but I believe that is right. He is elusive and does indeed catch the ball really well.

The all-time I-A record for receptions from ANY PLAYER is 316 by Taylor Stubblefield of Purdue. After today's game, Henderson is currently in 5th place with 296.


Let me repeat that...

RB Taurean Henderson currently has 296 receptions and the I-A record is 316!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek:



Did I say 2nd round pick?


Ummm....I'm thinking here....that maybe.....hmmmmm :rolleyes:

[jterrell]

Hey JT, what do you think about Saldi? Isn't he about a 6-5 linebacker? Is he hurt too much for Parcells to want him? He does have the NFL father going for him. :)
He's way too small.
He is like 6'5" but only about 215.
His play at Tech has been up and down.

[jterrell]

I hope all the other teams think just like you do, then Hicks will still be there when we pick....at #32 :)




:star:
Hicks isn't even Tech's best WR.
In fact he is probably only the 3rd best behind Filani and Robert Johnson.
I am fairly certian both of those guys are better NFL prospects as both are faster.

Hicks is a junior and I don't see him coming out. He was disciplined earlier in the year and is currently 4th on the team in receptions.

He would have to run a blazing 40 to move updraft boards and he isn't considered a burner by any means.

[VACowboy]

Had an eye on a couple safeties yesterday. Watkins didn't impress me and Blue is definitely more of a SS than a coverage guy. How is Huff against the run?

[Cbz40]

How is Huff against the run?......excellent.....as someone said he's a ball hawk. Huff is an excellent tackler.

[Cbz40]

Writeup by Pete Fiutak

Who is Michael Huff? ... It's never a bad thing to have too many athletic defensive backs, and it's even better when you have defensive backs versatile enough to play several positions. That's what the Texas coaching staff likes to do with its DBs giving the stars some time at safety first before putting them on the corner island to face everyone's top receivers. San Diego Charger millionaire Quentin Jammer was the best example becoming an All-America corner after spending time as a big hitting safety.

The transition isn't going to be so easy for 6-1, 200-pound junior Michael Huff. Handling the corner job isn't the issue, but moving him from safety, where he's so valuable, is. Playing strong safety last year, he made 66 tackles and two interceptions showing the strength by becoming an intimidating hitter and the speed and athleticism to be deadly in coverage. When he gets the ball in his hands, it's all over as all four of his career interceptions have been returned for touchdowns.

A few years ago it was Jammer who was star of the secondary. Last year it was Nathan Vasher. Now it'll be Huff's time to shine as an All-Big XII caliber player no matter where he ends up. If he plays safety, he'll combine with budding star Phillip Geiggar to form one of the nation's deadliest tandems. If he plays corner, his size and speed will take out just about everyone's number one receiver. No matter where he plays, it'll be every quarterback's first priority to make sure they know where number seven is first.
Huff's best game so far was ... in the 2002 50-20 win over Texas A&M. Huff solidified his place on Freshman All-America teams with his best game of the year making a career-high 11 tackles with a tackle for loss against the Aggies. He also picked off a pass and took it for a touchdown.

Why you should care about Michael Huff ... He hasn't received a ton of press, but he has as much talent and ability as any defensive back in the country. While Phillip Geiggar is certainly a strong player, Huff is going to have to be a leader of a relatively young Longhorn secondary. If he comes through with another big season, he'll have the option to leave early and become very rich at either corner or safety at the next level.

Positives about Huff ... Obviously his versatility. It's a luxury to have a player as big as Huff is at corner much less to have one that athletic at safety. He's a good one-on-one open-field hitter able make the big stick when needed. It's always scary for opposing offensive coordinators when they have to think about a defensive back that scored on all four career interceptions. He's fast running a 10.46 in the 100 meters in high school.

Negatives about Huff ... Is he a jack-of-all-trades, master of none? There are some players that are natural corners and others who need time to learn the job. Quentin Jammer was able to simply outslug his way against college receivers, but he struggled out of the gate in the NFL when he was going up against players as physical as he was. Huff was a bit more comfortable right away at corner playing mostly there as a redshirt freshman, but pro scouts are going to wonder where to play him and where he fits in best.

A cool thing about Huff that you probably didn't know ... His nickname is Huff Daddy.

Career statistics
2003: 66 tackles, four tackles for loss, six broken up passes, two interceptions, two touchdowns
2002: 70 tackles, ten tackles for loss, ten broken up passes, two interceptions, two touchdowns

Thanks to Texas for all the tidbits

[VACowboy]

On the Virginia guys: Ahmad Brooks would be my dream pick in the 2006 draft. His injury rreally wasn't an "injury." He had a cyst behind his knee that was removed. He's legit 6-4, up to 259 and still one of the fastest players on the team. He's a beast of an ILB, in all phases. He's not the only stud in the Virginia linebacking corps, though. Kai Parham plays strong side ILB in Groh's 3-4. He's big and fast, 6-3, 253. He leads the team in tackles and the ACC in sacks with 7.5. Kwakou Robinson came to VA as a heralded DE. He kind of disappointed at the position so Groh moved him to NT, which his size allowed him to to (6-4, 328). He's never especially impressed me. He was suspended from the GA Tech game for breaking team rules.

[VACowboy]

Thanks, Cbz. Huff sounds like what I envision to be a true FS. Is he a first or second round prospect?

[Cbz40]

Thanks, Cbz. Huff sounds like what I envision to be a true FS. Is he a first or second round prospect?


I would doubt he makes it out of the first round. I would say late 1st early 2nd.

[kartr]

Florida State.

I like Laron Landry of LSU myself.

I like Landry too. Did you see him knock the stuffing out of Brodie Coyle of Alabama, ala, Roy Williams style. He also is good at covering.

[MRTRIPOD]

Im thinking we are trading out of the first too. Instead of getting a 2nd, 3rd and late pick we get a 2nd,4th and a 1st next year.

2a. Chad Jackson WR UF
2b. Mike Huff FS- UT
3. Max-Jean Gilles, OG, Georgia
4. Matt Bernstein, FB, Wisconsin My favorite pick in this draft
5. Chijioke Oyenegeche, CB, Oklahoma
6. OG/OT depth
7. Dline depth/Developmental QB.
I also think we will chase after either Chris Hope or Will Demps.

CHAD JACKSON will be a STEAL!

[Sitting Bull]

I'll repost my Bye-Week Boredom Dream Mock, since it was buried in Sports Zone:

First Round: Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State- Also love Huff but I'm projecting any and every "son of a former player/coach" as a future Cowboy until Parcells stops picking them. This one's a no-brainer. He's projected as a high second rounder but I'm planning on picking late so it's not much of a reach... :D

Second Round: Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado- I watched this moose leave everything on the field even as the Buffs got rolled by Texas. He'll win the Mackey award and he sounds like a guy Parcells would draft.

Third Round: Dwayne Slay, FS, Texas Tech- Monster-sized FS (6,3, 215) who covers very well. After watching him dominate last week, did some research and found out he's also a feared headhunter on special teams. Money.

Fourth Round: Jovon Bouknight, WR, Wyoming- My sleeper. Exciting playmaker flying under the radar in the putrid Mountain West conference. Former HS QB, deadly on reverses, puts up biggest numbers against major-school competition. Excellent kick returner and appears to be a very solid character. Sounds like Crayton and could be a similar find.

Nothing like quoting myself..

I see Dwayne Slay broke into Kiper's Top 25 Big Board this week. Dude is riding my coattails. Stay tuned for Jovon Bouknight to break into the middle of his Top 25 WR list once he stops phoning it in and cues up some tape.