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There's no deserts in the South West - OK
Classic -
Yep - no snow/ice on the North Pole!
That's just it, LTN. Nors life is so pathetic being "right" about something on an internet message board (even when he's not really right) is the highlight of his life.
so important you keep replying
:eek:
I am right more than wrong and thats fact. Dude
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 04:40 PM
Such an easy put down......
Must suck being wrong SO OFTEN ON ALL THINGS PARCELLS AND CHANGE!
"Bledsoe to back up Henson"
CLASSIC hos!
Better yet the epic Howard is coming/trade and we can't move to a 3-4. Parcells is now 90% THERE! And its good.
I'm laughing my hybrid *** off!
Save yourself the Ty Law reply, we should have traded Rogers for Him! And all those that said he'd never play this year - hello - 4 interceptions in 8 games.....
^^ Notice he did not deny he was nothing but a troll
No way we take ware over merriman Nors, right?
I was big into adding Hybrid DE/OLB.
i THOUGHT mERRIMAN WAS THE SAFER PICK AT #11. I wrote many positive posts on Ware all pre draft.
Merriman has more sacks than Ware in less games- maybe both are going to be good.
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 04:44 PM
Sigh.
So is Eskimo 'right more than wrong'.
So is Jack.
So is Junk.
So is Adam.
So is WG.
So is Charles.
So is Rack, etc, etc, etc.
So what?
We can read each others takes and realize when someone has a sound one, or one that needs re-thinking, without having to constantly call on some invisible tally for validation.
I was big into adding Hybride DE/OLB.
i THOUGHT mERRIMAN WAS THE SAFER PICK AT #11. I wrote many positive posts on Ware all pre draft.
Merriman has more sacks than Ware in less games- maybe both are going to be good.Don't try and spin now, you stated in a post that there is "no way we take ware at #11". But thats not the issue, I only brought it up because you seem to be obsessed with those of us who backed henson over romo in preseason. Well, newsflash, you are wrong way too many times to obsess over other posters' mistakes.
Oh, and two of merrimans sacks have been when he went unblocked. I doubt you see ware without a blocker committed to him all year.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 04:54 PM
This is a Dallas discussion board
When Dorsett played for DALLAS what did he run better the draw or delay?
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 05:00 PM
I was big into adding Hybrid DE/OLB.
i THOUGHT mERRIMAN WAS THE SAFER PICK AT #11. I wrote many positive posts on Ware all pre draft.
Merriman has more sacks than Ware in less games- maybe both are going to be good.
First you were saying Ware was a 2nd rounder, then maybe at #20, Way to risky for #11 and then stated you had him listed a distant 3rd behind Merrimn and Pollack
STSINAZ
11-12-2005, 05:14 PM
People fight anything I talk about - even when they are defensing losing issues. Thats what amuses me the most. I'm not teflon, put it out there and all things Parcells - I've been in Ct during his Giant run, was in Boston for his Pat run and LOVING the Dallas era.
We are bigger, we are better. Those with crosshairs on their backs are few now. What a 2 year transformation of talent.
Kudo's on turning this entire organization around. I hope to be playing in January and February.
most people on here dont know football..they were brainwashed into believing smaller is better...i wonder why they think that? lol
STSINAZ
11-12-2005, 05:20 PM
what's funny is if Parcells posted on here he would be lambasted everyday and he is the freakin coach of the team that the naysayers on here are following! In my book that is hilarious...
he would tell you that al singleton was too small for the 3-4....thats why he brought in fugita....you would say well then why did you play him there to begin with? he would say that you cant change everything overnight!
he would tell you that dat was too small and had to hide in the 3-4...you naysayers would argue back like Dat is your God that you bown down to everynight in worship!
he would tell you romo is going to be a starting qb one day...you would argue that
he would tell you that shanle is better than dat against the run.....you would argue
he would tell you that bigger is better when it comes to football...as long as they are fast as well.....you would argue
HOW DO I KNOW ALL OF THAT? BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD HIM SAY IT IN PRESS CONFERENCES....GET ONBOARD OR RIDE ON BECAUSE YOU ARE WAY WAY OFF FROM WHAT OUR TEAM IS DOING....ALIGN YOURSELF WITH PARCELLS BUT IF YOU DONT, DONT PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH LIKE HE IS SAYING SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT HE IS SAYING...JUST SAY YOU ARE WRONG AND MOVE ON...
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 05:20 PM
most people on here dont know football..they were brainwashed into believing smaller is better...i wonder why they think that? lol
Go ahead ask nors a football question LOL
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 05:23 PM
what's funny is if Parcells posted on here he would be lambasted everyday and he is the freakin coach of the team that the naysayers on here are following! In my book that is hilarious...
he would tell you that al singleton was too small for the 3-4....thats why he brought in fugita....you would say well then why did you play him there to begin with? he would say that you cant change everything overnight!
he would tell you that dat was too small and had to hide in the 3-4...you naysayers would argue back like Dat is your God that you bown down to everynight in worship!
he would tell you romo is going to be a starting qb one day...you would argue that
he would tell you that shanle is better than dat against the run.....you would argue
he would tell you that bigger is better when it comes to football...as long as they are fast as well.....you would argue
HOW DO I KNOW ALL OF THAT? BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD HIM SAY IT IN PRESS CONFERENCES....GET ONBOARD OR RIDE ON BECAUSE YOU ARE WAY WAY OFF FROM WHAT OUR TEAM IS DOING....ALIGN YOURSELF WITH PARCELLS BUT IF YOU DONT, DONT PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH LIKE HE IS SAYING SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT HE IS SAYING...JUST SAY YOU ARE WRONG AND MOVE ON...
He didnt say that stuff in his PC's lol
Duane
11-12-2005, 05:37 PM
Funniest thing I have read in a while (ever) on the board.
what's funny is if Parcells posted on here he would be lambasted everyday and he is the freakin coach of the team that the naysayers on here are following! In my book that is hilarious...
he would tell you that al singleton was too small for the 3-4....thats why he brought in fugita....you would say well then why did you play him there to begin with? he would say that you cant change everything overnight!
he would tell you that dat was too small and had to hide in the 3-4...you naysayers would argue back like Dat is your God that you bown down to everynight in worship!
he would tell you romo is going to be a starting qb one day...you would argue that
he would tell you that shanle is better than dat against the run.....you would argue
he would tell you that bigger is better when it comes to football...as long as they are fast as well.....you would argue
HOW DO I KNOW ALL OF THAT? BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD HIM SAY IT IN PRESS CONFERENCES....GET ONBOARD OR RIDE ON BECAUSE YOU ARE WAY WAY OFF FROM WHAT OUR TEAM IS DOING....ALIGN YOURSELF WITH PARCELLS BUT IF YOU DONT, DONT PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH LIKE HE IS SAYING SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT HE IS SAYING...JUST SAY YOU ARE WRONG AND MOVE ON...
I agree - listen to Parcells - all these moves were predictable and happened.
And at the end of the day we are a vastly better team than we were. You'd think the naysayers would be tired of the constant bleeding...
First you were saying Ware was a 2nd rounder, then maybe at #20, Way to risky for #11 and then stated you had him listed a distant 3rd behind Merrimn and Pollack
Not rue - Pollack was a different cat than Merriman/Ware.
I posted my top 300 list? Did you have sack to go on record? Huh?
I posted Beware and was very high on the Htbrid Ware after Senior bowl. I studied all the ESPN and NFL film of practices and deemed him 1st round worthy. Great player but small school raised a tad bit of concern.
Merriman has more sacks than Ware in less games - Hardly wrong on that evaluation if thats what you are insinuating. Possible both are good?
Players I were very high on this board, I also was very pro Spears and went as far to compare him to Seymour....
Thomas Davis
Heath Miller
Odell Thurman
Petitti - many laughed at me when he was 370 and a poor Senior Bowl, Combine......
Don't try and spin now, you stated in a post that there is "no way we take ware at #11". But thats not the issue, I only brought it up because you seem to be obsessed with those of us who backed henson over romo in preseason. Well, newsflash, you are wrong way too many times to obsess over other posters' mistakes.
Oh, and two of merrimans sacks have been when he went unblocked. I doubt you see ware without a blocker committed to him all year.
Ware/Merriman
I leaned Merriman and thought Ware was a reach at #11. Thought we could get him at #20 or second. Small school kid moving positions. If SD or Dallas didn't grab him he'd have fallen maybe far.....
Merriman has more sacks than Ware in less games - jury still out on better player. Maybe both will be great.
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 06:27 PM
Ware/Merriman
I leaned Merriman and thought Ware was a reach at #11. Thought we could get him at #20 or second. Small school kid moving positions. If SD or Dallas didn't grab him he'd have fallen maybe far.....
Merriman has more sacks than Ware in less games - jury still out on better player. Maybe both will be great.
Boy Nors I don't agree with this at all... I don't think Ware would have fallen far. Not at all. Ourlads had him rated #13th or #14 overall. He was a decent choice.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 06:29 PM
Not rue - Pollack was a different cat than Merriman/Ware.
Not true? you think i would have posted it without advance searching it first?
We draft Ware at #11 I think its a tremendous reach
I'm on record - love both Merriman and Pollack
Ware is a distant 3rd
This #11 talk is nonsense
Ware. Merriman, Spears is the rage. Ala S Jackson and K Jones exactly a year ago.
We can trade out of #11 and still get one of them.
Target is Pollack in trade down? He's getting no love and this Ware now a top 5 is getting outrageous.
I posted my top 300 list? Did you have sack to go on record? Huh?
I saw a 200 and a 153 and in both you had Ware in the 39-45 range Pollack top 15 above even Merriman.
What kind of "sack" does it take to post a list of names? lol
I posted Beware and was very high on the Htbrid Ware after Senior bowl. I studied all the ESPN and NFL film of practices and deemed him 1st round worthy. Great player but small school raised a tad bit of concern.
Deemed him first round yet alway said he wasnt worth the pick, and listed him on your "list in the 39-45 range ok....
You were high on Ware just not as high as like 45 other guys
Merriman has more sacks than Ware in less games - Hardly wrong on that evaluation if thats what you are insinuating. Possible both are good?
Never said Merriman wasn't good. It should be noted though that Merriman was coming in for some pass rush plays only some of which he got sacks untouched because of the play design. When he started and hd to play as an all around LB he got burned
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 06:35 PM
Boy Nors I don't agree with this at all... I don't think Ware would have fallen far. Not at all. Ourlads had him rated #13th or #14 overall. He was a decent choice.
San Diego stated they would have taken him if we took merriman, I believe the texans were interested as well
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24175&highlight=nors
This is it all out there - also factor in Merriman was only 20......
And has more sacks than Ware in less games. Maybe both are good. Ware doesn't get drafted by Chargers he free falls.....
I had Ware rated around #30 on my board, If that makes me bad so be it.
MarionBarberThe4th
11-12-2005, 06:50 PM
ABQ in Roswell:
What do you think about Dontrell Moore in the draft?
Could be steal of draft and will slip to knee injury. Kids a stud.
Seriosuly though, what use would we have for him?
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21936&highlight=nors
Ware love
Dontrell Moore is a 2nd round back that might fall to day 2 based on knee injury. He's push the crap out of TT and MB3 for roster spot. May be a future star in the NFL.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15019&highlight=WARE
I was Pro Ware in December - note all those STEADFAST against 3-4 and hybrids....
Many in this thread now loving it. Good reading!
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:14 PM
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24175&highlight=nors
This is it all out there - also factor in Merriman was only 20......
And has more sacks than Ware in less games. Maybe both are good. Ware doesn't get drafted by Chargers he free falls.....
I had Ware rated around #30 on my board, If that makes me bad so be it.
I can show you a dozen posts from YOU that say different than you say in that thread
Had Ware at 30? on which board?
#44 here http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16328&highlight=pollack+ware
less than a month later #74 here http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17798&highlight=pollack+ware
a week later back to #40 http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18236&highlight=pollack+ware
#40 again http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20108&highlight=pollack+ware
#39 http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22142&highlight=pollack+ware
Hell you didn't even think Ware could be an everydown starter
Parcells is usually risk averse when drafting. I think Ware is a huge reach and risk at #11. IS NOT AN EVERYDOWN GIVEN STARTER!
At best a 4-3 Situational pass rusher and he's never played up at OLB and ne 3-4 experience.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=338890&highlight=ware#post338890
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 07:16 PM
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15019&highlight=WARE
I was Pro Ware in December - note all those STEADFAST against 3-4 and hybrids....
Many in this thread now loving it. Good reading!
The fact is Nors there are many that think Ware could be an effective defensive end in a 4-3. He's no smaller than Dwight Feeney or Jason Taylor.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:18 PM
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15019&highlight=WARE
I was Pro Ware in December - note all those STEADFAST against 3-4 and hybrids....
Many in this thread now loving it. Good reading!
Sorry man you have been busted you made it clear you DIDN'T want Ware. I noticed you hyped about 20 players throwing stuff at walls seeing what sticks eh
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:22 PM
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21936&highlight=nors
Ware love
Dontrell Moore is a 2nd round back that might fall to day 2 based on knee injury. He's push the crap out of TT and MB3 for roster spot. May be a future star in the NFL.
LMAO thanks for pointing out your inconsistency
March 15th 2005 you said
Demarcus Ware is 6 to 7 years younger and a serious thought.....
Ware can play 4-3 DE, 3-4 olb.......
1 month later on April 21st you said
Parcells is usually risk averse when drafting. I think Ware is a huge reach and risk at #11. IS NOT AN EVERYDOWN GIVEN STARTER!
At best a 4-3 Situational pass rusher and he's never played up at OLB and ne 3-4 experience.
Merriman has and can do both. Is bigger, stronger, more experienced at ACC level competition. Spears is also Pro coached in a 3-4. I just can't see us taking Ware at #11.
There is too much "if" next to Ware at #11....
SO tell us Nors did Ware lose his ability in the month between these posts or were you playing both sides as you usually do so you could try and claim to be right later?
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 07:24 PM
http://loz.the-pub.org/photos/WarDemoApril03/Mad_Old_Man.sized.jpg
tHIS WAS MY FINAL TOp 30 - Ware at 27, had him at 39 in March upgraded him up as draft drew near.... Post your top 200, curious how you did. Thanks!
rank NAME POS TEAM HGT wgt SPD RATING
1 5 EDWARDS Braylon WR MICH 6- 2.5 209 4.45 428.35 428.35 - 428.35
2 6 ROLLE Antrell . CB MIAM 5-11.5 205 4.51 428.02 428.02 - 428.02
3 XXX Rodgers, Aaron QB Cal 400.00 25.00 425.00
4 3 JOHNSON Derrick LB TX 6- 3.0 234 4.52 432.25 432.25 (9.00) 423.25
5 1 WILLIAMS Mike WR USC z 6- 5.0 236 4.56 447.08 447.08 (28.00) 419.08
6 2 WILLIAMS Carnell RB AUB 5-11.0 202 4.44 434.79 434.79 (24.00) 410.79
7 7 BROWN Ron RB AUB 6- 1.0 216 4.44 417.62 417.62 (7.00) 410.62
8 10 BARRON Alex T FSU 6- 7.4 322 5.20 409.76 409.76 - 409.76
9 XXX Smith, Alex QB Utah 369.00 38.00 407.00
10 XXX Davis, Thomas S Georgia 405.38 (3.00) 402.38
11 4 POLLACK David DE GEO 6- 2.0 274 4.72 430.93 430.93 (30.00) 400.93
12 XXX MERRIMAN, Shawne BRID 6-4 1/2 262 390.00 10.00 400.00
13 8 BENSON Cedric RB TX 5-11.0 221 4.49 415.25 415.25 (17.00) 398.25
14 12 CLAYTON Mark WR OKLA 5-10.0 185 4.45 397.75 397.75 (5.00) 392.75
15 9 JACKSON Marlin CB MICH 6- 1.0 208 4.47 414.22 414.22 (25.00) 389.22
16 30 SPEARS Marcus DE LSU 6- 4.0 296 4.99 366.53 366.53 17.00 383.53
17 11 JAMES Erasumus DE WISC 6- 5.1 258 4.68 398.03 398.03 (17.00) 381.03
18 24 CODY Shaun DT USC 6- 3.5 285 4.92 368.94 368.94 8.00 376.94
19 29 JONES PAC MAN CB WV 5- 9.0 170 4.34 366.77 366.77 8.00 374.77
20 XXX Miller, Heath TE Virginia 6-5 254 378.88 (5.00) 373.88
21 XXX Miller, Justin CB Clemson 5-11 200 385.00 (12.00) 373.00
22 13 FRYE Charlie . QB AKRON 6- 3.3 223 4.74 384.99 384.99 (14.00) 370.99
23 32 CODY Dan . DE OKLA 6- 4.0 278 4.85 365.14 365.14 5.00 370.14
24 48 JOHNSON Travis - DT FSU 6- 3.0 265 4.68 358.12 358.12 12.00 370.12
25 21 ROGERS Carlos - CB AUB 5-11.8 197 4.45 372.36 372.36 (3.00) 369.36
26 XXX THURMAN, Odell LB Georgia 6-1 240 370.00 (1.00) 369.00
27 75 WARE Demarcus . DE TROYs 6- 4.0 236 4.58 348.98 348.98 20.00 368.98
28 47 ROTH Matt DE IOWA 6- 3.0 262 4.78 358.20 358.20 9.00 367.20
29 28 SMITH Alex TE STAN 6- 4.6 255 4.76 366.85 366.85 - 366.85
30 19 BAAS David C MICH 6- 4.5 322 5.39 374.77 374.77 (8.00) 366.77
31 17 BROWN Elton G VIRG 6- 4.5 338 5.33 377.85 377.85 (12.00) 365.85
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:31 PM
tHIS WAS MY FINAL TOp 30 - Ware at 27, had him at 39 in March upgraded him up as draft drew near.... Post your top 200, curious how you did. Thanks!
rank NAME POS TEAM HGT wgt SPD RATING
1 5 EDWARDS Braylon WR MICH 6- 2.5 209 4.45 428.35 428.35 - 428.35
2 6 ROLLE Antrell . CB MIAM 5-11.5 205 4.51 428.02 428.02 - 428.02
3 XXX Rodgers, Aaron QB Cal 400.00 25.00 425.00
4 3 JOHNSON Derrick LB TX 6- 3.0 234 4.52 432.25 432.25 (9.00) 423.25
5 1 WILLIAMS Mike WR USC z 6- 5.0 236 4.56 447.08 447.08 (28.00) 419.08
6 2 WILLIAMS Carnell RB AUB 5-11.0 202 4.44 434.79 434.79 (24.00) 410.79
7 7 BROWN Ron RB AUB 6- 1.0 216 4.44 417.62 417.62 (7.00) 410.62
8 10 BARRON Alex T FSU 6- 7.4 322 5.20 409.76 409.76 - 409.76
9 XXX Smith, Alex QB Utah 369.00 38.00 407.00
10 XXX Davis, Thomas S Georgia 405.38 (3.00) 402.38
11 4 POLLACK David DE GEO 6- 2.0 274 4.72 430.93 430.93 (30.00) 400.93
12 XXX MERRIMAN, Shawne BRID 6-4 1/2 262 390.00 10.00 400.00
13 8 BENSON Cedric RB TX 5-11.0 221 4.49 415.25 415.25 (17.00) 398.25
14 12 CLAYTON Mark WR OKLA 5-10.0 185 4.45 397.75 397.75 (5.00) 392.75
15 9 JACKSON Marlin CB MICH 6- 1.0 208 4.47 414.22 414.22 (25.00) 389.22
16 30 SPEARS Marcus DE LSU 6- 4.0 296 4.99 366.53 366.53 17.00 383.53
17 11 JAMES Erasumus DE WISC 6- 5.1 258 4.68 398.03 398.03 (17.00) 381.03
18 24 CODY Shaun DT USC 6- 3.5 285 4.92 368.94 368.94 8.00 376.94
19 29 JONES PAC MAN CB WV 5- 9.0 170 4.34 366.77 366.77 8.00 374.77
20 XXX Miller, Heath TE Virginia 6-5 254 378.88 (5.00) 373.88
21 XXX Miller, Justin CB Clemson 5-11 200 385.00 (12.00) 373.00
22 13 FRYE Charlie . QB AKRON 6- 3.3 223 4.74 384.99 384.99 (14.00) 370.99
23 32 CODY Dan . DE OKLA 6- 4.0 278 4.85 365.14 365.14 5.00 370.14
24 48 JOHNSON Travis - DT FSU 6- 3.0 265 4.68 358.12 358.12 12.00 370.12
25 21 ROGERS Carlos - CB AUB 5-11.8 197 4.45 372.36 372.36 (3.00) 369.36
26 XXX THURMAN, Odell LB Georgia 6-1 240 370.00 (1.00) 369.00
27 75 WARE Demarcus . DE TROYs 6- 4.0 236 4.58 348.98 348.98 20.00 368.98
28 47 ROTH Matt DE IOWA 6- 3.0 262 4.78 358.20 358.20 9.00 367.20
29 28 SMITH Alex TE STAN 6- 4.6 255 4.76 366.85 366.85 - 366.85
30 19 BAAS David C MICH 6- 4.5 322 5.39 374.77 374.77 (8.00) 366.77
31 17 BROWN Elton G VIRG 6- 4.5 338 5.33 377.85 377.85 (12.00) 365.85
Where is the link to this thread I didnt see it. BTW reply to my last post about your inconsistencys thanks :)
Parcells said he can't play Ware 100% at DE in a 4-3 Point blank documented
I stated that concern and he would have been a situational rusher in a 4-3
He's a 3-4 hybrid - Nice for us.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:33 PM
Parcells said he can't play Ware 100% at DE in a 4-3 Point blank documented
I stated that concern and he would have been a situational rusher in a 4-3
He's a 3-4 hybrid - Nice for us.
That is NOT what you said in those posts. Try a different spin
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:34 PM
Parcells said he can't play Ware 100% at DE in a 4-3 Point blank documented
I stated that concern and he would have been a situational rusher in a 4-3
He's a 3-4 hybrid - Nice for us.
BTW Parcells was saying that AFTER the draft your posts are from before
Where is the link to this thread I didnt see it. BTW reply to my last post about your inconsistencys thanks :)
post the link to your list. Thanks -
I cut and pasted my last list from my database.
What did YOU advocate?
BTW Parcells was saying that AFTER the draft your posts are from before
Thanks! I was stating before the draft what Parcells stated after the draft on Ware and 4-3 DE.
Again, thanks for proving my point!
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:37 PM
post the link to your list. Thanks -
I cut and pasted my last list from my database.
What did YOU advocate?
Oh so the list that had him highest just happened to be the list you didnt post LMAO
I noticed you are trying to get off subject of your inconsistent statements I don't blame you I guess you NorthEasterners aren't good at this sort of thing when your words have been documented ;)
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:38 PM
Thanks! I was stating before the draft what Parcells stated after the draft on Ware and 4-3 DE.
Again, thanks for proving my point!
Nice try you were talking out both sides of your mouth and have been exposed as a fraud
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 07:38 PM
Parcells said he can't play Ware 100% at DE in a 4-3 Point blank documented
I stated that concern and he would have been a situational rusher in a 4-3
He's a 3-4 hybrid - Nice for us.
Parcells might feel that concern but obviously other coaches do not.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:39 PM
Parcells might feel that concern but obviously other coaches do not.
Forgive nors Miki he is scrambling on the ropes to find some more spin
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 07:46 PM
Forgive nors Miki he is scrambling on the ropes to find some more spin
LOL!
That boy Nors can definitely scramble!
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:46 PM
LOL!
That boy Nors can definitely scramble!
Yeah but its tough to spin when your posts are brought back up and say totally different things lol
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 07:56 PM
Yeah but its tough to spin when your posts are brought back up and say totally different things lol
Nors is a champion "spinner". ;)
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 07:59 PM
Nors is a champion "spinner". ;)
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http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/0553714430.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 08:00 PM
.....
http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/0553714430.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
:lmao:
The 90's defense was stat wise all that. They were very good but did benefit from arguably the best offensive unit that ever played the game....
Nice try you were talking out both sides of your mouth and have been exposed as a fraud
No you are a fraud - where is your top 300 list link?
I stated pre draft what Parcells said post draft on Ware. Next - I was spot on and very pro Ware by my at least 3 links referenced?
What do you have on the table dude - Maybe I archive that? My bet is you have no balls or original opinions.
You called me - I'm raising.
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 08:26 PM
http://chrico.mazca.com/images/boast.gif
big dog cowboy
11-12-2005, 08:32 PM
I stated pre draft what Parcells said post draft on Ware. Next - I was spot on and very pro Ware by my at least 3 links referenced?
Many people were right about Ware pre-draft Nors.
On the other hand, that Ty Law prediction..............
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 08:48 PM
No you are a fraud - where is your top 300 list link?
I stated pre draft what Parcells said post draft on Ware. Next - I was spot on and very pro Ware by my at least 3 links referenced?
What do you have on the table dude - Maybe I archive that? My bet is you have no balls or original opinions.
You called me - I'm raising.
What I keep hearing from you is blah blah blah Ware sucks Blah blah ware 3-4 blah ware cant play 3-4 blah blah Ware situational blah I love merriman
You stated Predrft 2 DIFFERENT THINGS
You were not rpo ware accoding to number links I posted
What I have on the table is your own words being used against you. Like I said YOU ARE A FRAUD BOOK IT! lol
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 08:49 PM
Many people were right about Ware pre-draft Nors.
On the other hand, that Ty Law prediction..............
problem is Big Dog he wasn't pro ware he was sitting bot sides of the fence so he could try and beat his chest later
You weren't here then dude?
And yes Law for Rogers (#2) was a great trade at the time - you have a problem with that now?
You multi personality? Looking that way based on that post. You were welcomed not that long ago as a new poster but have 2 years of Hostery?:)
To your credit some Bledsoe love but all in all you have ZERO skin in the game. No proactive posts - just a sniper. Grow a pair you want to get in this game.
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 08:58 PM
problem is Big Dog he wasn't pro ware he was sitting bot sides of the fence so he could try and beat his chest later
Well BDF5, sometimes Nor's balls hurt too from his fence riding. ;)
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 09:00 PM
You weren't here then dude?
And yes Law for Rogers (#2) was a great trade at the time - you have a problem with that now?
You multi personality? Looking that way based on that post. You were welcomed not that long ago as a new poster but have 2 years of Hostery?:)
To your credit some Bledsoe love but all in all you have ZERO skin in the game. No proactive posts - just a sniper. Grow a pair you want to get in this game.
Nors, I see that you're still beating me by 8 votes! LOL!
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 09:00 PM
Well BDF5, sometimes Nor's balls hurt too from his fence riding. ;)
Wait a minute!! He has balls?
You weren't here then dude?
And yes Law for Rogers (#2) was a great trade at the time - you have a problem with that now?
You multi personality? Looking that way based on that post. You were welcomed not that long ago as a new poster but have 2 years of Hostery?:)
To your credit some Bledsoe love but all in all you have ZERO skin in the game. No proactive posts - just a sniper. Grow a pair you want to get in this game.The fact is you stated both pro and anti ware. I can just see if we took merriman and ware dropped to the late first you would be thumping your chest. You, me, and everyone on this board knows this is true.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 09:03 PM
The fact is you stated both pro and anti ware. I can just see if we took merriman and ware dropped to the late first you would be thumping your chest. You, me, and everyone on this board knows this is true.
:hammer:
What I keep hearing from you is blah blah blah Ware sucks Blah blah ware 3-4 blah ware cant play 3-4 blah blah Ware situational blah I love merriman
You stated Predrft 2 DIFFERENT THINGS
You were not rpo ware accoding to number links I posted
What I have on the table is your own words being used against you. Like I said YOU ARE A FRAUD BOOK IT! lol
Get a clue - I have 4 posts++++ back to well before your day stating merit of Ware AS A HYBRID. In fact extensively scouted him at Senior bowl. Had him at #27 on my board.
Yes - I ranked Merriman over him. Does that make me wrong or anti Ware - get another clue.
Still waiting for your draft top 300 you promised. Post that link - thanks.
Archived you - you bring nothing - classic fence sitter that likes to second guess those that have the balls to have
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 09:13 PM
Get a clue - I have 4 posts++++ back to well before your day stating merit of Ware AS A HYBRID. In fact extensively scouted him at Senior bowl. Had him at #27 on my board.
Yes - I ranked Merriman over him. Does that make me wrong or anti Ware - get another clue.
Still waiting for your draft top 300 you promised. Post that link - thanks.
Archived you - you bring nothing - classic fence sitter that likes to second guess those that have the balls to have
LOL! I guess all us have balls that ache from fence-sitting once in a while.
The fact is you stated both pro and anti ware. I can just see if we took merriman and ware dropped to the late first you would be thumping your chest. You, me, and everyone on this board knows this is true.
Tio - Tio -
I archived you on this topic - be ware:)
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:18 PM
Damnit it to hell. I went to a football game and this thread got better without me.
BigDFan5, hilarious stuff. If you were a lawyer and he was on the stand I'd be in contempt of court for :lmao2:
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 09:19 PM
Get a clue - I have 4 posts++++ back to well before your day stating merit of Ware AS A HYBRID. In fact extensively scouted him at Senior bowl. Had him at #27 on my board.
and I have shown 4++++ Links where you were saying Ware wasnt worth it, ware was a "distant" 3rd behind Merriman and Pollack.
and its amazing the one "board" where you had him rated highest was the one you didn't post. LOL you post 10 boards throughout the year but not that one Sure....
Yes - I ranked Merriman over him. Does that make me wrong or anti Ware - get another clue.
Make you wrong yes since he went before merriman. Did I say you were Anti-Ware? No I just stated what you actually said instead of what you want people to believe
Still waiting for your draft top 300 you promised. Post that link - thanks
Really I promised that huh? Show me the link to where I said I would give a top 300 (even you didnt have a top 300) I believe my exact words were something to the effect of "how does posting a list take b alls" or something
Archived you - you bring nothing - classic fence sitter that likes to second guess those that have the balls to have
I bring nothing except your own words to expose you as the fraud you are.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 09:19 PM
Damnit it to hell. I went to a football game and this thread got better without me.
BigDFan5, hilarious stuff. If you were a lawyer and he was on the stand I'd be in contempt of court for :lmao2:
I been looking for you Hos watching him squirm is good stuff
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:22 PM
:lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao:
:worthy2: :bravo: :toast:Rack, I found a picture of him.
I google searched "legacy."
http://www.acmewebpages.com/graphics/furst.jpg
Flounder.
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:23 PM
I been looking for you Hos watching him squirm is good stuffI went to see my Wildcats give Washington a Pac 10 victory.
Nors, I see that you're still beating me by 8 votes! LOL!
Miki - you did it
You admitted it
and yet I'm going to jail -man o man
I hope there is an appeal process here
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 09:25 PM
I went to see my Wildcats give Washington a Pac 10 victory.
I want to see the Dorsett draw/delay riddle solved. :D
Tio - Tio -
I archived you on this topic - be ware:)Your point being? I didn't predict anything, but I know what your probably looking for, so archive this.
Ware will be better than Merriman.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 09:27 PM
I went to see my Wildcats give Washington a Pac 10 victory.
ouch thats sux what was the score
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:28 PM
I want to see the Dorsett draw/delay riddle solved. :DPost # 95.
Notice he acts like he never sees it and still does.
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:31 PM
ouch thats sux what was the scoreWe were up 14-7 with 5 seconds to go in the 1st half. Washington QB goes Doug Flutie and scores to tie it.
38-14 final score after 4 2nd half turnovers.
Painful.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 09:34 PM
Post # 95.
Notice he acts like he never sees it and still does.
Football_For_Dummies (http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-400.html) Hey Hos they have one on the Slant too ;)
http://media.wiley.com/assets/2/33/fg0-7645-5054-3_0605.jpg
Figure 1: In the draw play, the QB drops back to pass and then hands off to the running back (RB), who's pretending to pass-block.
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 09:35 PM
Post # 95.
Notice he acts like he never sees it and still does.
95?
Now I am even more confused. :rolleyes:
All these years I've been considering a delay as a pass to a running back in which the tail fakes the D into thinking he is going to help out in pass protection, but instead he releases into a receiving pattern, and a draw as a run play that draws linemen into thinking pass.
That's what my dad taught me anyway. And he played semi pro tail.
Now I find out we were both wrong..... :bang2:
But of those two plays as I described them, regardless of the nomenclature, (I will accept anyone's differing definitions) which one was Tony best at?
Because I don't wanna go another sleepless night. :D
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 09:35 PM
You know I just love the two votes for Reality!!!! :D
That's so good!
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 09:37 PM
You know I just love the two votes for Reality!!!! :D
That's so good!
I wonder who cast those.... :D
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:37 PM
95?
Now I am even more confused. :rolleyes:
All these years I've been considering a delay as a pass to a running back in which the tail fakes the D into thinking he is going to help out in pass protection, but instead he releases into a receiving pattern, and a draw as a run play that draws linemen into thinking pass.
That's what my dad taught me anyway. And he played semi pro tail.
Now I find out we were both wrong..... :bang2:
But of those two plays as I described them, regardless of the nomenclature, (I will accept anyone's differing definitions) which one was Tony best at?
Because I don't wanna go another sleepless night. :DI don't recommend asking Nors. he's not good at "70's Trivia."
big dog cowboy
11-12-2005, 09:38 PM
which one was Tony best at?
Both. Anyone who didn't have the opportunity to see him run really missed out on something. He was amazing after he got his hands on the ball.
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 09:40 PM
Both. Anyone who didn't have the opportunity to see him run really missed out on something. He was amazing after he got his hands on the ball.
Somehow I knew that was gonna be the answer, Big Dog.
Thanks :)
Tio SAID
It was one of those you send it things. HH saw it too (well, he saw one of them, not sure if its the same one...shoulda saved it.) and he was a merriman fan prior. Ware is a risk but just about every player in this draft save 4-5 are, in any other draft guys like ware and merriman would hope to go late 1st.
__________________
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:43 PM
Football_For_Dummies (http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-400.html) Hey Hos they have one on the Slant too ;)
http://media.wiley.com/assets/2/33/fg0-7645-5054-3_0605.jpg
Figure 1: In the draw play, the QB drops back to pass and then hands off to the running back (RB), who's pretending to pass-block.Yeah, but do they have the passing tree?
I had to break that out before. I actually felt bad for the guy who got whooped with it.
Tio SAID
It was one of those you send it things. HH saw it too (well, he saw one of them, not sure if its the same one...shoulda saved it.) and he was a merriman fan prior. Ware is a risk but just about every player in this draft save 4-5 are, in any other draft guys like ware and merriman would hope to go late 1st.
__________________I think I said that, wish you woould provide a link.
I stand by everything I said as well. Ware would be a late first rounder in say, 2003's draft.
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 09:44 PM
Yeah, but do they have the passing tree?
I had to break that out before. I actually felt bad for the guy who got whooped with it.
Here ya go Hos :)
http://www.glenellynfootball.com/images/passingtree2.gif
Hos/LTN
Either of you ever see the great TD play in person? Not talking preseason..... Date - where and impressions?
LTN - how many games did you see in person at Foxborough past 20 years?
big dog cowboy
11-12-2005, 09:45 PM
Somehow I knew that was gonna be the answer, Big Dog.
Thanks :)
He was a threat to go all the way at anytime. We ran beautiful screens back in that day and Tony really scared the opposing D with his speed. He was a RB with true 'vision' that is why they called him "Hawkeye".
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:46 PM
Here ya go Hos :)
http://www.glenellynfootball.com/images/passingtree2.gifI may need to bookmark that site for future reference.
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 09:51 PM
Would someone please tell Nors that if I had seen Tony D play in person, I wouldn't be asking the board these questions about him.
Yes, some of us can admit when there is something we don't know.
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 09:52 PM
Rack, I found a picture of him.
I google searched "legacy."
http://www.acmewebpages.com/graphics/furst.jpg
Flounder.
I guess someone else is darned good at looking up stuff too huh?
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 09:53 PM
Hos/LTN
Either of you ever see the great TD play in person? Not talking preseason..... Date - where and impressions?
LTN - how many games did you see in person at Foxborough past 20 years?
Nors that isn't right to call Barb out.
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 09:55 PM
Nors that isn't right to call Barb out.
Instigator. :rolleyes:
I'll answer his question tho...since I hate his team the f'in Pats with an unbridled passion, not many.
Would someone please tell Nors that if I had seen Tony D play in person, I wouldn't be asking the board these questions about him.
Yes, some of us can admit when there is something we don't know.
Doesn't really matter. Nors has watched his favorite team (the pats) live many times in the last several years. He is constanly prattling on about it.
However, he can't say anything more to the 3-4 other that it "attacks and confuses" and its "not a WUSSY 4-3 cover 2". Press him on it and the best he can do is pull out BP press conference references about it.
Then he has the nerve to mock people that go to games live....yet uses it as a rationale for any argument he wants to make. D'oh!
BigDFan5
11-12-2005, 09:56 PM
since I hate his team the f'in Pats with an unbridled passion, not many.
:laugh1:
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:57 PM
Hos/LTN
Either of you ever see the great TD play in person? Not talking preseason..... Date - where and impressions?
LTN - how many games did you see in person at Foxborough past 20 years?Yes.
More than once.
He was crazy fast and what I call slippery.
Not sure why this is pertinent.
Probably isn't.
I was lucky enoght to ses Tony D circa 77/8-81 at the Meadowlands..... Saw Roger, Drew, TonY d and our Fab Front 4 on D.....
They ran as good a screen play as I ever saw. Roger and Drew Pearson were clutch/Money.
I was lucky as a kid to witness that at the Meadowlands.....
Hostile
11-12-2005, 09:58 PM
Doesn't really matter. Nors has watched his favorite team (the pats) live many times in the last several years. He is constanly prattling on about it.
However, he can't say anything more to the 3-4 other that it "attacks and confuses" and its "not a WUSSY 4-3 cover 2". Press him on it and the best he can do is pull out BP press conference references about it.
Then he has the nerve to mock people that go to games live....yet uses it as a rationale for any argument he wants to make. D'oh!That was a clinic.
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 10:02 PM
Then he has the nerve to mock people that go to games live
Live games in desert areas don't count.
Hostile
11-12-2005, 10:02 PM
Live games in desert areas don't count.Mirages trick the eyes.
MichaelWinicki
11-12-2005, 10:04 PM
I was lucky enoght to ses Tony D circa 77/8-81 at the Meadowlands..... Saw Roger, Drew, TonY d and our Fab Front 4 on D.....
They ran as good a screen play as I ever saw. Roger and Drew Pearson were clutch/Money.
I was lucky as a kid to witness that at the Meadowlands.....
You were lucky.
LaTunaNostra
11-12-2005, 10:05 PM
Mirages trick the eyes.
Yeah like that "mirage" you Lobos had that Bill likes Drew Henson.
Your eyes were tricking you... Tuna was really giving Drew a sounder thrashing than he did Todd Haley. :D
MichaelWinicki
11-13-2005, 06:58 AM
Bump.
:)
Does anyone else think Hostile and Nors are one and the same. That there is some guy out there scheming how to mess with our heads, all while having 30 k posts in a little over 2 years? They seem way too obsessed with eachother to be an authentic rivalry.
The jigg is up Norhos...
Hostile
11-13-2005, 09:38 AM
Does anyone else think Hostile and Nors are one and the same. That there is some guy out there scheming how to mess with our heads, all while having 30 k posts in a little over 2 years? They seem way too obsessed with eachother to be an authentic rivalry.
The jigg is up Norhos...Bite your tongue. I play stupid for no one.
Bite your tongue. I play stupid for no one.Thats exactly what someone who didn't want to get caught would say!!!
:ohboy:...hmmm...
MichaelWinicki
11-13-2005, 10:01 AM
Thats exactly what someone who didn't want to get caught would say!!!
:ohboy:...hmmm...
You know we mods have known about this charade for a long time now. :)
I'm back on the clock
What is this thread about again? LOL
MichaelWinicki
11-13-2005, 10:36 AM
I'm back on the clock
What is this thread about again? LOL
I think you and some others were playing nice.
LaTunaNostra
11-13-2005, 10:39 AM
Thats exactly what someone who didn't want to get caught would say!!!
:ohboy:...hmmm...
Tio, I think you're on to something here.
It isn't playing stupid..it's expressing the childlike and irrational side of your personality. The me-focused, chest thumping, endlessly redundant center-of-the-universe stage that Piaget maintained all toddlers pass through.
I miss that freedom too, TH.
Can I borrow your alter ego sometime?
LTN:
Me thinks you analyze yourself into a perpetual and never ending cat chasing nuclear generated pulsesational transformance enduced macro apocalyptic little chicken enhanced sneek peek like waldenesque look into the abyss of windows eyes and sole mass like tizzy fizzle end start stop go no yes arghhhhh
46 defense making comeback in Southwestern Pop Warner
Santa Fe Gazette
The 46 defense (also known as the "46") is an American football defensive formation popularized by Chicago Bears defensive coordinator Buddy Ryan who later became head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. The formation is comprised of four down-lineman, three linebackers, and four defensive backs.
The name "46" originally came from the jersey number of Doug Plank, who was a starting safety for the Bears when Ryan originally developed the defense, and typically played in that formation as a surrogate linebacker. It also refers to the idea that the cornerbacks often play bump and run coverage and blitz, acting almost like two extra linebackers.
The key feature of the "46" is that both outside linebackers play on the same side of the formation. The linebackers line up behind the linemen two or three yards from the line of scrimmage. The primary tactic is to blitz five to eight players on each play, either to get to the quarterback quickly or disrupt running plays. The scheme has many of the attributes of an aggressive 3-4 defense run by (See Coach Parcells, Bellicheck) American Coaches.
The formation was very effective in the 1980s NFL because it often eliminated a team's running game and forced them to throw the ball. This was difficult for many teams at the time because most offensive passing games centered around the play action pass.
Currently, the "46" is rarely used in modern professional and college football due to the emergence of the West Coast Offense, popularized by San Francisco 49ers head coach Bill Walsh, and other offensive schemes that rely on short, timed passes from formations that use multiple receivers. A major weakness of the "46" is that too many defensive players line up near the line of scrimmage to blitz, leaving areas wide open for receivers to catch passes. Also, the short, timed passes are thrown before the players blitzing have a chance to reach the quarterback. Another problem is that most teams do not have enough impact players to run the "46" as effectively as the 1980s Bears did.
A variation of the "46" defense is more often used in the modern game by bringing a fourth defensive back (usually the strong safety) up closer to the line of scrimmage.
[edit]
See also 3-4 Defense
MichaelWinicki
11-13-2005, 10:56 AM
LTN:
Me thinks you analyze yourself into a perpetual and never ending cat chasing nuclear generated pulsesational transformance enduced macro apocalyptic little chicken enhanced sneek peek like waldenesque look into the abyss of windows eyes and sole mass like tizzy fizzle end start stop go no yes arghhhhh
That had a slight edge to it Nors...
LaTunaNostra
11-13-2005, 11:00 AM
That had a slight edge to it Nors...
Instigator. :lmao2:
MichaelWinicki
11-13-2005, 11:10 AM
Instigator. :lmao2:
Where? Where?
:)
who miki?
no way - get out!
Minny just picked Eli
MichaelWinicki
11-13-2005, 01:09 PM
who miki?
no way - get out!
Minny just picked Eli
Exactly!
I'm just a fun-loving soul.
Nors stirs the forum his way and I stir it mine. ;)
Geez - that Sharper FS looks pretty good
Hostile
11-15-2005, 10:54 PM
20 votes Nors, 20 votes the rest of the candidates.
:grin:
Funniest thing was the voting after the confession.
blindzebra
11-18-2005, 10:43 PM
20 votes Nors, 20 votes the rest of the candidates.
:grin:
Funniest thing was the voting after the confession.
Better still was after all the accusations and whining I got one vote...from Nors.
FYI, Winicki confessed to voting first on THIS THREAD, what about all the others?
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