TO - Trotter

[Nors]

Trotter on NFL network asked for TO to be brought back. If the players want him back and Reid is ok - Maybe TO deserves a mulligan. I'm not an Eagles fan but maybe TO deserves some slack and a second chance.

He has apologized and maybe is remorseful and sincere.

[roughneck266]

I hope they bring him back. I don't want him here and to be honest now that we have swept them maybe he can help to kill off the rest of the division. I will take help anywhere we can get it.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

If Owens wants back he should fire Rosenhaus as a jesture of goodwill to the Eagles.

[Maikeru-sama]

Trotter on NFL network asked for TO to be brought back. If the players want him back and Reid is ok - Maybe TO deserves a mulligan. I'm not an Eagles fan but maybe TO deserves some slack and a second chance.

He has apologized and maybe is remorseful and sincere.

Well I guess everyone deserves a second chance. But to be honest, T.O. will have not gotten a new contract, so I dont see how he will be able to restrain himself when this entire episode is a distant memory.

But why not just cut your losses with the guy. They are going to start a backup, the franchise is about to go under the knife and Jim Johnson's defense has been average this season.

Only way I would do it is to bring him back, make people think he will be a part of the team so people that just wait until you cut him so they dont have to give up a draft pick.

- Mike G.

[TheSkaven]

Trotter on NFL network asked for TO to be brought back. If the players want him back and Reid is ok - Maybe TO deserves a mulligan. I'm not an Eagles fan but maybe TO deserves some slack and a second chance.

He has apologized and maybe is remorseful and sincere.Let's be truthful here, the reason TO is no longer with the team is Donovan McNabb. TO bruised his fragile ego. It isn't because he parked in the handicap space or because he fought with Hugh Douglas in the locker room. Trotter has a local radio show and has said many times that the players don't have any problems with Owens.

Anyway I think we're all Eagles' fans this weekend against the Giants. I'd like to see TO back with the team, he'll get them to 8-8 and might just help them beat the Giants and/or Redskins.

[Nors]

As the Eagles start to tank, McNabb is out.

TO is going to be the winner - Management keeping the man down and taking his money is going to be an issue. Tomorrow is arbitration. TO will win. I'm no advocate of him but he may legally win this battle....

[Maikeru-sama]

T.O. should not have ever signed that contract. The NFLPA told him not to sign his current contract, but he signed it anyway.

Im all for a guy getting his money but...

If you venture to a new team and you come in as a Top 1-5 Receiver in the NFL, the onus is on you and your agent to make sure the new TEAM is paying you as such.


It isnt like this guy was a scrub when he joined the Eagles, had a breakout season with them and then wanted more money. He was a top 5 Receiver, he had no business not making Top 5 Receiver money.

Sorry T.O. you are the "Weakest Link"!!!

- Mike G.

[TheSkaven]

As the Eagles start to tank, McNabb is out.

TO is going to be the winner - Management keeping the man down and taking his money is going to be an issue. Tomorrow is arbitration. TO will win. I'm no advocate of him but he may legally win this battle....I think he will win too. The maximum you can suspend any player is 4 games, and since the Eagles announced their intention to deactivate him for the rest of the season as punishment, it is effectively a suspension. If Keyshawn had appealed he would have won too. I believe the arbitrator will force the Eagles to cut Owens this season.

I watched calico's Tivo recording of the game today for the first time. Look at McNabb move. Look at him dance in the end zone. Look at the hits he took, yet he popped right up. But after he is gently pushed to the ground after the interception, he suddenly can't stand up. When will people stop calling this guy a warrior and start calling him a head case?

[yesfan]

If Owens wants back he should fire Rosenhaus as a jesture of goodwill to the Eagles.

Couldn't agree more.That guy flamed the fire.

[Rush 2112]

Players desperate for savior now that McChoke is out.

Rallying around TO to pull them out of tailspin.

Management rationalizing it in their heads now to keep TO off of NFC playoff team.

Cut TO, goes to Dallas, wins SB.

Even the usually cut throat Eagles front office couldn't stomach that.

TO and the Cowboys defeating Corey Simon and the Colts in Detroit would cause riots for weeks in Philly.

[Maikeru-sama]

I highly doubt T.O. is coming to Dallas....

I know me and whole bunch of other natives would start rooting for the Texans until he exits the building but it will never happen.

Every player that gets cut, has issues with management/team, etc etc is always linked to the Cowboys.

Never understood this.

- Mike G.

[Jimz31]

Did he apologize to his former OC in SF?
Did he apologize to Garcia for the things he said about him?

Sure...NOW he apologizes. When his bluff is called.

He isn't sorry about ANYTHING except that he isn't getting paid for 4 games.

It's ALL about T.O. and it always will be.

Nope....I have no hard feelings for whatever happens to the guy. I don't care how nice he is in private....there are things that shouldn't be done in sports and he's done them.....he's the one that took it public....NOT the Eagles.

He's done this crap everywhere he's been. They need to nip it now or he will ofrever live with a feeling of being entitled to everything.

[Nors]

What disturbs me with TO - Is JJ flat out left the door open.

[Rush 2112]

What disturbs me with TO - Is JJ flat out left the door open.

Why do you think the Eagles are rethinking their stance?

TO in Dallas and Detroit Bowl is done deal.

Now all of a sudden the stuff he did wasn't so bad.

They'd rather have him ripping organization/McMahon apart rest of year then to see us win our 6th before their first.

[Nors]

Why do you think the Eagles are rethinking their stance?

TO in Dallas and Detroit Bowl is done deal.

Now all of a sudden the stuff he did wasn't so bad.

They'd rather have him ripping organization/McMahon apart rest of year then to see us win our 6th before their first.


I have yet to get anything - but Collusion would not be beyond JJ/BP. Eagles might be scared TO gets declared FA in process. Though thats very unlikely.

Tomorrow is good theatre.... BTW this arbitrator sided with Glenn over Pats.....

[big dog cowboy]

If Owens wants back he should fire Rosenhaus as a jesture of goodwill to the Eagles.
If Owens wants back he should fire Rosenhaus as a jesture of goodwill to the entire NFL!!!

[junk]

I highly doubt T.O. is coming to Dallas....

I know me and whole bunch of other natives would start rooting for the Texans until he exits the building but it will never happen.



Really? I'll always like the Cowboys even if they do sign an all world turd like TO. I coped with that knucklehead Tyson Walter.

Heck, I'd still like 'em if they moved to L.A. (or anywhere else for that matter).

I certainly wouldn't ditch them for the Texans just because they make a move I don't like.

I'm a Cowboys fan.

[Seven]

If Owens wants back he should fire Rosenhaus as a jesture of goodwill to the Eagles.

That. Right there......is the ticket.

[silverbear]

Trotter on NFL network asked for TO to be brought back. If the players want him back and Reid is ok - Maybe TO deserves a mulligan. I'm not an Eagles fan but maybe TO deserves some slack and a second chance.

He has apologized and maybe is remorseful and sincere.

Hey, Nors, I've got this really great piece of land down in Florida I'd like to get rid of, I'll let you have it for a VERY good price...

Just pump a couple-three feet of water off of it, run off a few gators, and you're good to go...

Whaddaya say, bud, you up for being one of those guys that PT Barnum told us about??

[Doomsday]

Personally I think the Eagles should either play him or release him. Its a bunch of BS that they stated they dont care about the money they just want him gone! If that was the case they would just release him and be done with it.

[Nors]

Hey, Nors, I've got this really great piece of land down in Florida I'd like to get rid of, I'll let you have it for a VERY good price...

Just pump a couple-three feet of water off of it, run off a few gators, and you're good to go...

Whaddaya say, bud, you up for being one of those guys that PT Barnum told us about??

I am not interested - I have property in Siesta Key - very familiar with the Sarasota area and PT Barnum history.

But thanks for the offer none the same.

[WV Cowboy]

After all that the Eagles organization and Reid did and said about and to TO, if they bring him back, they will be a laughing stock to me.

What a joke. :rolleyes:

[WV Cowboy]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5078694

[dbair1967]

He has apologized and maybe is remorseful and sincere.

and the cow jumped over the moon...

David

[jimmy40]

Trotter on NFL network asked for TO to be brought back. If the players want him back and Reid is ok - Maybe TO deserves a mulligan. I'm not an Eagles fan but maybe TO deserves some slack and a second chance.

He has apologized and maybe is remorseful and sincere.Second chance? I thought his second chance came during training camp.

[1fisher]

Second chance? I thought his second chance came during training camp.


I hope the eagles give a second third and fourth chance!!! That way he will not become a Cowboy and the 60 something people who voted for him in another thread will shut up about him being here!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[TheSkaven]

I know me and whole bunch of other natives would start rooting for the Texans until he exits the building but it will never happen.Well, that's sad for you, I guess. I root for the uniform and the star, not the players. I can't stand TO, just as I couldn't stand Deion Sanders in 1994. But when he was on the field, he was a Cowboy, and that's good enough.

If, somehow, TO ends up here and is the good soldier that I expect him to be for the rest of the year, I will root for him and the Cowboys and our Superbowl will taste just as sweet.

[1fisher]

Well, that's sad for you, I guess. I root for the uniform and the star, not the players. I can't stand TO, just as I couldn't stand Deion Sanders in 1994. But when he was on the field, he was a Cowboy, and that's good enough.

If, somehow, TO ends up here and is the good soldier that I expect him to be for the rest of the year, I will root for him and the Cowboys and our Superbowl will taste just as sweet.


That's one more reason I don't want him here. Can you see the headlines "T.O. leads Dallas to SuperBowl victory"...... It would be ALL about TO and I for one DON'T want to see that. It's a team and not one player. I want to see how far we can go with what we have. We've already beat the NFC champs twice! Who knows where else we can go?

[WV Cowboy]

That's one more reason I don't want him here. Can you see the headlines "T.O. leads Dallas to SuperBowl victory"...... It would be ALL about TO and I for one DON'T want to see that. It's a team and not one player. I want to see how far we can go with what we have. We've already beat the NFC champs twice! Who knows where else we can go?
So you hate TO so much, that you would rather we don't win than win with him ??

I would rather win without him too, but if he is here and we win a SB , that won't bother me.

[LeonDixson]

It's Philly and they can do whatever they want. I hate T.O. with a passion and probably always will. However, if they want to give him a another chance or if they have to because the arbitration goes against them, then that's okay with me.

It actually would be refreshing to see T.O. act like a decent human being. And if he's truly remorseful, then maybe he will. That would go a long way towards lessening my hate for him, not that it matters an iota to him.

[Nors]

TO has made mistakes. To is apologetic and remorseful. He deserves another chance.
Any Reid needs to forgive and open the good book up.

[Kangaroo]

I think he will win too. The maximum you can suspend any player is 4 games, and since the Eagles announced their intention to deactivate him for the rest of the season as punishment, it is effectively a suspension. If Keyshawn had appealed he would have won too. I believe the arbitrator will force the Eagles to cut Owens this season.

I watched calico's Tivo recording of the game today for the first time. Look at McNabb move. Look at him dance in the end zone. Look at the hits he took, yet he popped right up. But after he is gently pushed to the ground after the interception, he suddenly can't stand up. When will people stop calling this guy a warrior and start calling him a head case?

The arbitrator has no power to force the eagles to cut him in the NFL. As long as they still plan to pay him they can deactivate him like any other player on game day. So Skaven there is nothing TO or the arbitrator can do about that not even the NFLPA can force them to cut him because it is part of the bargaining agreement they made. The only thing the arbitrator can reduce is the amount of suspend games with out pay period end of story. TO sits the rest of the year and if I am Philly top brass I do not budge.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

TO has made mistakes. To is apologetic and remorseful. He deserves another chance.
Any Reid needs to forgive and open the good book up.

Gulp...umm...umm......weird I agree with Nors.

If I'm TO.. I fire and blame my agent. TO could save face by saying he was acting on advice he received from his agent.

[LeonDixson]

Will having T.O. back help the eagles or hurt them? I think it helps them. Ergo, the Redskins season ticket holder arbitrator will probably rule against T.O. to give his beloved Skins an advantage.

[1fisher]

So you hate TO so much, that you would rather we don't win than win with him ??

I would rather win without him too, but if he is here and we win a SB , that won't bother me.

It would bother me...... I think we have just as good a chance without him. All it would do is make his head fatter!!!!!!

[TheSkaven]

The arbitrator has no power to force the eagles to cut him in the NFL. As long as they still plan to pay him they can deactivate him like any other player on game day. So Skaven there is nothing TO or the arbitrator can do about that not even the NFLPA can force them to cut him because it is part of the bargaining agreement they made. The only thing the arbitrator can reduce is the amount of suspend games with out pay period end of story. TO sits the rest of the year and if I am Philly top brass I do not budge.Here's the issue -

CBA states that 4 games is the maximum allowed to suspend a player for conduct detrimental to the team. You can't use the inactive list to extend a suspension.

Yes, a team can deactivate whomever they want. However the Eagles are also trying to force TO from joining the team, using the facilities, etc. You can't do that.

So, here is what the arbitrator will decide - you either treat TO like a player (allow him to attend the meetings, use the facilities, etc) and deactivate him on game day or you release him. You can't put him on the inactive list AND force him to stay away - that's a defacto suspension.

In fact, I guarantee this outcome. I'd say chances are better than 60/40 that TO is a free agent this season, with the 40% being the Eagles either take him back or find a financial settlement (I seriously doubt the latter).

[hipfake08]

The Eagles will never bring him back.
Reid will have major issues every time TO talks.
Your undermining the coach - who happens to be the GM also.
:suxiggle: :iggles: :trophy: :iggles: :suxiggle:

[Fletch]

How many second chances is this guy going to get?

[Jimz31]

Here's the issue -

CBA states that 4 games is the maximum allowed to suspend a player for conduct detrimental to the team. You can't use the inactive list to extend a suspension.

Yes, a team can deactivate whomever they want. However the Eagles are also trying to force TO from joining the team, using the facilities, etc. You can't do that.

So, here is what the arbitrator will decide - you either treat TO like a player (allow him to attend the meetings, use the facilities, etc) and deactivate him on game day or you release him. You can't put him on the inactive list AND force him to stay away - that's a defacto suspension.

In fact, I guarantee this outcome. I'd say chances are better than 60/40 that TO is a free agent this season, with the 40% being the Eagles either take him back or find a financial settlement (I seriously doubt the latter).

I'll guarantee that he will NOT be a FA before the season is over.

The arbitrator can NOT force a team to take an accelerated cap hit.

All that they can do is allow T.O. to use the facilities.

The Eagles can release T.O. on their own accord but the arbitrator can NOT force the Eagles to do ANYTHING.

Oh yes.....and lets not forget what his contract states.....there already is a cluse of "conduct detrimental to the team". If what he has done has met that, they CAN force him to do more than you think.

[ABQCOWBOY]

TO has made mistakes. To is apologetic and remorseful. He deserves another chance.
Any Reid needs to forgive and open the good book up.

Question:

Would TO have appoligized if it were not going to cost him money?

[dallasblue05]

Let's be truthful here, the reason TO is no longer with the team is Donovan McNabb. TO bruised his fragile ego. It isn't because he parked in the handicap space or because he fought with Hugh Douglas in the locker room. Trotter has a local radio show and has said many times that the players don't have any problems with Owens.

Anyway I think we're all Eagles' fans this weekend against the Giants. I'd like to see TO back with the team, he'll get them to 8-8 and might just help them beat the Giants and/or Redskins.

He wouldnt be playing anyway would he? He hasnt finished his 4 game suspension......and I think the arbitrator is deciding whether or not the eagles can deactivate him for the season.......even if the guy ruled in TOs favor, I still dont think he'd play.

[dallasblue05]

Gulp...umm...umm......weird I agree with Nors.

If I'm TO.. I fire and blame my agent. TO could save face by saying he was acting on advice he received from his agent.


I'd love to see this......Drew Rosenhaus would need a "will work for food" sign withing a few years, lol. If TO dropped him, I dont see him getting any major clients for a while......that would be swell.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Here's the issue -

CBA states that 4 games is the maximum allowed to suspend a player for conduct detrimental to the team. You can't use the inactive list to extend a suspension.

Yes, a team can deactivate whomever they want. However the Eagles are also trying to force TO from joining the team, using the facilities, etc. You can't do that.

So, here is what the arbitrator will decide - you either treat TO like a player (allow him to attend the meetings, use the facilities, etc) and deactivate him on game day or you release him. You can't put him on the inactive list AND force him to stay away - that's a defacto suspension.

In fact, I guarantee this outcome. I'd say chances are better than 60/40 that TO is a free agent this season, with the 40% being the Eagles either take him back or find a financial settlement (I seriously doubt the latter).

I agree that the NFLPA nor the arbitrator can make the Eagles keep TO active. I agree that the Eagles will have to allow TO access to the facility and even practice him. Having said that, what will happen if the Eagles organization decides that TO will field punts and kick offs all day long? Do you think the Rosenhorsesarse will let TO participate in this, especially when he knows that the Eagles are not going to activate him? The best that can possibly happen, in that scenario is that TO manages to stay healthy the rest of the season. The worst is that he sustains a career threatening injury and is either done or places his chances of getting a decent contract in worse jeopardy then they already are. I think all this talk of TO being around the practice facility is BS. I don't see his agent allowing TO to take the chance for no reason. The first practice TO misses is going to be another suspension. As long as TO is getting paid, I think he stays away from Eagles camp entirely. If he shows up, he has to practice. If he practices, he could sustain injury. Simple as that IMO.

[Maikeru-sama]

Really? I'll always like the Cowboys even if they do sign an all world turd like TO. I coped with that knucklehead Tyson Walter.

Heck, I'd still like 'em if they moved to L.A. (or anywhere else for that matter).

I certainly wouldn't ditch them for the Texans just because they make a move I don't like.

I'm a Cowboys fan.

That's good to know Junk, makes me feel all gushy inside.

If the Cowboys move to L.A. or sign Owens, im outy...


Why would I ever root for a team located in a city I have NEVER been too and have no ties with?
- Mike G.

[Maikeru-sama]

Well, that's sad for you, I guess. I root for the uniform and the star, not the players. I can't stand TO, just as I couldn't stand Deion Sanders in 1994. But when he was on the field, he was a Cowboy, and that's good enough.

If, somehow, TO ends up here and is the good soldier that I expect him to be for the rest of the year, I will root for him and the Cowboys and our Superbowl will taste just as sweet.

Deion Sanders was never Deactivated for a game. Yeah, I know Keyshawn was, but Keyshawn never totally disrespected the Dallas Cowboys Star.

I will never root for him or nor any team he happens to be on, including the Cowboys.

I will just start paying more attention to the Mavericks and Stars, other two professional squads in my home town.

- Mike G.

[junk]

That's good to know Junk, makes me feel all gushy inside.

If the Cowboys move to L.A. or sign Owens, im outy...


Why would I ever root for a team located in a city I have NEVER been too and have no ties with?
- Mike G.

Not meant to make you feel "gushy". Just surprised more than anything. You have a terrific Cowboys site that obviously took a massive amount of work, but you'd drop them for the Texans because of TO or relocation? It just seemed awfully finicky and I was very surprised.

I was a Cowboys fan for years before visiting the city (of course, I had at least a state in between myself and the nearest football city on any side). Its certainly not the team being in Texas or being in Dallas that makes me a fan. Its also most certainly not the players since they change all the time and I have no control over it.

[dbair1967]

Gulp...umm...umm......weird I agree with Nors.

If I'm TO.. I fire and blame my agent. TO could save face by saying he was acting on advice he received from his agent.

sorry, but TO was a huge turd before Rosenhaus ever got involved with him

David

[dbair1967]

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In fact, I guarantee this outcome. I'd say chances are better than 60/40 that TO is a free agent this season, with the 40% being the Eagles either take him back or find a financial settlement (I seriously doubt the latter).

I guarantee you he wont be a free agent

David

[Nors]

He won't be a free agent this season.

He will be available in some capacity in the offseason. Eagles keep TO out for the year no sense bringing him back.

[TheSkaven]

I guarantee you he wont be a free agentOK, call it a gentleman's bet then. He won't be declared a free agent by the arbiter, but the team will be forced to allow him to use all facilities, attend all meetings, etc. even if he is deactivated, and that will be enough to force Philly's hand and release him.