Something We Overlooked

[dargonking999]

Ekubust is coming back to town with denver this week.

Hmm i wonder what LA and the O-line will have for him.:D:D

[Eddie]

Ekuban is playing well in Denver. Myers is also. He'll finish with double digit sacks.

Isn't it amazing someone can do when you play to their strengths, instead of forcing him to play a read and react system???

[TheHustler]

Ekuban is playing well in Denver. Myers is also. He'll finish with double digit sacks.

Isn't it amazing someone can do when you play to their strengths, instead of forcing him to play a read and react system???

Uh, Ekuban has 2 sacks. Myers has 2 sacks. These guys have no strengths.

They won't even get to double digit sacks combined.

[czmtzc]

Yeah, when this topic was first posted I was going to respond about how Eb had improved the minute he left here, but I looked at his stats, and while he had 8 sacks last year with Cleveland, he only had two this year. So I guess it was just an anomoly. I don't expect much from him.

[dallasblue05]

Yeah, when this topic was first posted I was going to respond about how Eb had improved the minute he left here, but I looked at his stats, and while he had 8 sacks last year with Cleveland, he only had two this year. So I guess it was just an anomoly. I don't expect much from him.

It wasnt an anomoly at all, 8 sacks is barely respectable!! well to me anyway.

[Rush 2112]

I'm not sure EK, Myers, or Pryce (the guy who plays in front of EK) will get to 10 sacks combined.

Other than that we dread the day we got rid of EK.

Marcellus Ekuban........please go away.

[NovaCowboy]

Uh, Ekuban has 2 sacks. Myers has 2 sacks. These guys have no strengths.

They won't even get to double digit sacks combined.

and the truth shall set you free!

[mr.jameswoods]

It wasnt an anomoly at all, 8 sacks is barely respectable!! well to me anyway.

Well that's what Greg Ellis achieves in a good year so I hope 8 sacks is respectable.

[te0002]

This game is another reason I'd love to see Flozell still in the line-up. I was really looking forward to the Hotel abusing Ek & Myers all day.

[RCowboyFan]

This game is another reason I'd love to see Flozell still in the line-up. I was really looking forward to the Hotel abusing Ek & Myers all day.

Yeah, sure Hotel Abused Ekuban last year when they played Cleveland :rolleyes:

Gave him a sack and got Julius Jones bust his shoulder blade, both to Ekuban I believe. Altough I don't remember if Julius Jones got his sholder blade busted, when Ekubust beat Flozell or not. Flozell can be good, but boy never could figure out when he will play well.

[RCowboyFan]

Well that's what Greg Ellis achieves in a good year so I hope 8 sacks is respectable.

RIght, since Greg Ellis is soo not being accounted for when teams played Dallas previous years :rolleyes:

While Ekuban was being double and triple teamed while he got to his 8 sacks last year!! Man no wonder Cleveland let him go, with him being such scary talent.

[joseephuss]

Well that's what Greg Ellis achieves in a good year so I hope 8 sacks is respectable.

So, he is 1 away from respectability this season. :D

[mr.jameswoods]

RIght, since Greg Ellis is soo not being accounted for when teams played Dallas previous years :rolleyes:

While Ekuban was being double and triple teamed while he got to his 8 sacks last year!! Man no wonder Cleveland let him go, with him being such scary talent.

"Ellis is always triple teamed on every down." Ahhh, the classics never get old

:laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

Ebenezer couldnt sack groceries at the local Albertsons, let alone a QB...

[Smith22]

Well that's what Greg Ellis achieves in a good year so I hope 8 sacks is respectable.

Did the guy beat you up in school or something? Unreal. Did you notice who had a sack and forced fumble yesterday?:p: I sure did.

[mr.jameswoods]

Did the guy beat you up in school or something? Unreal. Did you notice who had a sack and forced fumble yesterday?:p: I sure did.

Did he carry your books and walk you to the bus stop every day after school?

Please, what right does any of us have to attack another DE for 8 sacks when your holiness himself averages that every year.

[Smith22]

Did he carry your books and walk you to the bus stop every day after school?

Please, what right does any of us have to attack another DE for 8 sacks when your holiness himself averages that every year.

:laugh2:

Good stuff James.

I wouldn't attack any DE for having 8 sacks, especially after some of the production we have had to put up with guys like Wiley and Ekubust.

Ellis is what he is, a guy that is underrated by most, but quietly goes about his job every season and gets the job done. His production doesn't match his draft status, but I don't really care about that at all. If every pick we had didn't perform to their status, then I would have a problem. I'm a big Ellis fan though and admire the way he plays the game.

Go back to older posts around training camp and see how many people were ready to axe him off the team when all of the 3-4 talk came about, and look his production this year. The guy is a player period, regardless of the scheme, regardless of which round he was drafted.

[mr.jameswoods]

:laugh2:

Good stuff James.

I wouldn't attack any DE for having 8 sacks, especially after some of the production we have had to put up with guys like Wiley and Ekubust.

Ellis is what he is, a guy that is underrated by most, but quietly goes about his job every season and gets the job done. His production doesn't match his draft status, but I don't really care about that at all. If every pick we had didn't perform to their status, then I would have a problem. I'm a big Ellis fan though and admire the way he plays the game.

Go back to older posts around training camp and see how many people were ready to axe him off the team when all of the 3-4 talk came about, and look his production this year. The guy is a player period, regardless of the scheme, regardless of which round he was drafted.


Smith22

You have always known me for being fair despite my cynicsm, so I will say that Greg Ellis is the last person who deserves any criticism. He deserves a lot of credit and if I haven't given him that credit then it's my bad because he clearly deserves it. And it finally looks like he will break the double digit sack barrier. This new scheme has suited him well and yes, a lot of fans were criticizing him this preseason upon the announcement of the 3-4.

I just don't believe in double standards and that's what I felt was going on when someone attacked Ekuban for only having 8 sacks. I mean cmon, who are we to talk when Ellis has been doing that for years and is still praised. And maybe you disagree but I don't think his failure to achieve more sacks is because he faces double and triple coverage on every down.

[Smith22]

Smith22

You have always known me for being fair despite my cynicsm, so I will say that Greg Ellis is the last person who deserves any criticism. He deserves a lot of credit and if I haven't given him that credit then it's my bad because he clearly deserves it. And it finally looks like he will break the double digit sack barrier. This new scheme has suited him well and yes, a lot of fans were criticizing him this preseason upon the announcement of the 3-4.

I just don't believe in double standards and that's what I felt was going on when someone attacked Ekuban for only having 8 sacks. I mean cmon, who are we to talk when Ellis has been doing that for years and is still praised. And maybe you disagree but I don't think his failure to achieve more sacks is because he faces double and triple coverage on every down.

:beer2:

[DWAREZ]

Uh, Ekuban has 2 sacks. Myers has 2 sacks. These guys have no strengths.

They won't even get to double digit sacks combined.

:laugh2::laugh1::D Eddie did not do his homework :)

[Chuck 54]

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[joseephuss]

Smith22

You have always known me for being fair despite my cynicsm, so I will say that Greg Ellis is the last person who deserves any criticism. He deserves a lot of credit and if I haven't given him that credit then it's my bad because he clearly deserves it. And it finally looks like he will break the double digit sack barrier. This new scheme has suited him well and yes, a lot of fans were criticizing him this preseason upon the announcement of the 3-4.

I just don't believe in double standards and that's what I felt was going on when someone attacked Ekuban for only having 8 sacks. I mean cmon, who are we to talk when Ellis has been doing that for years and is still praised. And maybe you disagree but I don't think his failure to achieve more sacks is because he faces double and triple coverage on every down.

There is a difference. Ellis has achieved 8 sacks in more than one season. Four seassons actually and about to be five. Ekuban did it only once and of course that was not with Dallas. There is a difference in level of acheivment and consistency between the two.

I always chuckle when people say Ellis is constantly double and triple teamed. He certainly sees his share of multiple blockers, but it is nowhere near being constant. I do think he has been double teamed more than Ekuban ever has in a season.

I also chuckle when people say that Ekuban was limited by the scheme in Dallas. Ellis was in the same scheme and got 8 sacks, yet Ekuban could not do the same. Ekuban was supposed to be the better pass rusher. He was more athletic and faster and of course played the weak side, which usually provides more opportunities since it is the QBs blind side. Ekuban never worked out. Happens. I really think his back injury in 2001 ended any chance of him becoming better than what he is. He has found a niche as a back up in Denver. I thought he would be good in that capacity if Dallas stayed in the 4-3. No ill feelings toward him. Just hopes he does nothing on Thursday.

I know you haven't been unfair to Ellis. Except in saying that Wistrom is better. :D

[kartr]

There is a difference. Ellis has achieved 8 sacks in more than one season. Four seassons actually and about to be five. Ekuban did it only once and of course that was not with Dallas. There is a difference in level of acheivment and consistency between the two.

I always chuckle when people say Ellis is constantly double and triple teamed. He certainly sees his share of multiple blockers, but it is nowhere near being constant. I do think he has been double teamed more than Ekuban ever has in a season.

I also chuckle when people say that Ekuban was limited by the scheme in Dallas. Ellis was in the same scheme and got 8 sacks, yet Ekuban could not do the same. Ekuban was supposed to be the better pass rusher. He was more athletic and faster and of course played the weak side, which usually provides more opportunities since it is the QBs blind side. Ekuban never worked out. Happens. I really think his back injury in 2001 ended any chance of him becoming better than what he is. He has found a niche as a back up in Denver. I thought he would be good in that capacity if Dallas stayed in the 4-3. No ill feelings toward him. Just hopes he does nothing on Thursday.

I know you haven't been unfair to Ellis. Except in saying that Wistrom is better. :D

Ekuban never had a DT with the talent of Glover playing next to him either. He was much better in Cleveland with a better supporting cast. We had a chance to find out how good he could be, but passed on Kevin Williams, who's now one of the best players in the league at his position. Newman's numbers aren't any better than Rashean Mathis of Jacksonville who was drafted in the second round.

[Rush 2112]

EK never played next to a guy with the talent level of Glover :lmao2:.

Got it.

Thanks.

[joseephuss]

Ekuban never had a DT with the talent of Glover playing next to him either. He was much better in Cleveland with a better supporting cast. We had a chance to find out how good he could be, but passed on Kevin Williams, who's now one of the best players in the league at his position. Newman's numbers aren't any better than Rashean Mathis of Jacksonville who was drafted in the second round.

Ellis put up better numbers than Ekuban on the same team for several seasons. That is all you have to know to see that Ekuban just did not work out.

I don't know what that has to do with Newman and Mathis. Newman is a great player. I don't have to compare him to anyone to know that he is a great player.

[mr.jameswoods]

There is a difference. Ellis has achieved 8 sacks in more than one season. Four seassons actually and about to be five. Ekuban did it only once and of course that was not with Dallas. There is a difference in level of acheivment and consistency between the two.

I always chuckle when people say Ellis is constantly double and triple teamed. He certainly sees his share of multiple blockers, but it is nowhere near being constant. I do think he has been double teamed more than Ekuban ever has in a season.

I know you haven't been unfair to Ellis. Except in saying that Wistrom is better. :D

Oh I agree with you. I'm not that much of a hater to compare Ellis and Ekuban. The problem is 8 sacks is 8 sacks which is respectable but of course not dominate. Even if Ekuban achieved 8 sacks one season, he deserve some props even if it is for just that season.

If Ellis was drafted a year later and in the second round, no one would speak ill of Ellis but you have to remember the context in which he was drafted. He was really expected to be our next great pass rusher. There was a lot of expectations placed on him because we passed on Moss for him essentially. Maybe those expectations were unfair which I will agree to.

I never said Wistrom was the overall better DE but I do think he is a better pass rusher when he is healthy. That's a major distinction :)