How do you feel about Terence Newman returning punts? Yeah or Nay? [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

TruBlueCowboy

11-22-2005, 11:17 AM

I haven't seen much discussion about this since the game but am I the only one who thought our punt return situation looked a hell of a lot better with TNew back there? Guy looked like he was going to get a touchdown. If you listened to his post-game comment, he told Brad & Babe he felt like both of them were going for TDs. Peerless doesn't look like a natural at the position. I feel incredibly nervous having our shutdown star corner returning punts but it's the best I've felt since Deion relinquished control of the duties.

What say you fellas about it?

mullet

11-22-2005, 11:18 AM

Definate - YEA. there are only 16 games - got to put the best players in.

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 11:19 AM

ive been sayin that since week 1.....some people on here kill me how they wanna protect him.

newman got some BURNERS.

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 11:21 AM

The best we could hope for is that he would score a TD some game.

The worst is he would suffer a season-ending injury.

As much as I like seeing him back there, the reward does not seem worth the risk.

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 11:22 AM

oh brother.u can use that same best/worst case scenario for keyshawn or terry glenn too.

stop this nonsense this is football.

Cowboy4ever

11-22-2005, 11:24 AM

With only 6 games left, I like what BP has done,, by rotating the PR in situations. It changes the way the punt coverage unit has to defend the punt return and puts alot of pressure on thier outside guys to get there fast. I wouldn't want Tnew back there every punt, way to dangerous. But in certain situations, I like him back there.. esp when there is a short field to work with. I was jsut thinking earlier today how much he reminded me of Deon back there. If not for a block in the back and a lucky tackle,, Tnew would have set both punts he feilded in very good places for the Dallas O.

bobtheflob

11-22-2005, 11:25 AM

oh brother.u can use that same best/worst case scenario for keyshawn or terry glenn too.

stop this nonsense this is football.

It's just that with punt returns there is a much stronger likelyhood of injury than with other positions.

It seemed like in that game TNew was in there in key situations when a good return would be especially useful and I think that is a good idea by Parcells.

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 11:25 AM

Where is the middle ground? I think there are times that using Newman on punt returns would be of great advantage for the Cowboys. I like the way Bill used him when Det was forced to punt from their own endzone, Newman had a very good return but was called back because of a stupid push in the back.

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 11:26 AM

i dont recall a recent injury to a punt returner this year really.but thats just me

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 11:26 AM

oh brother.u can use that same best/worst case scenario for keyshawn or terry glenn too.

stop this nonsense this is football.
Last time I looked, Glenn & Johnson aren't returning punts.

How smart do we look if our "shutdown corner" tears up his knee returning a punt for 3 yds ?

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 11:27 AM

but i will say i am OBSESSED with seeing newman return punts because deion was/is my favorite player EVER, and i think newman can be equal deion on punt returns.

thats all

Chocolate Lab

11-22-2005, 11:30 AM

I wish he did it more often, but I guess I'll settle for times they are backed up. :)

I just wonder why Parcells finally decided to put him in. We've had several situations like that this year, and every time it was the regular returner back there. Has he just finally seen enough of Price to be convinced that he's not that good at it?

TruBlueCowboy

11-22-2005, 11:32 AM

i dont recall a recent injury to a punt returner this year really.but thats just me

I guess that Jason Sehorn injury still rattles everyone. :o:

TruBlueCowboy

11-22-2005, 11:32 AM

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 11:33 AM

sehorns was a kick return.

i just dont see many injuries from punt returns EVER.

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 11:34 AM

sehorns was a kick return.

i just dont see many injuries from punt returns EVER.

I agree. I also don't think you can coach a game with concerns over injuries, if you have a chance to break a game wide open and Newman gives us that advantage then you put him out there.

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 11:34 AM

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 11:37 AM

I could see it if it was in a playoff game, the NFC Championship, or the Super Bowl, and the game was on the line or something.

But take Sunday for example, what if he did run one back?

We win 27-7 instead of 20-7, so what ?

If he gets hurt, it will seem pretty stupid.

I don't think you can coach being concerned over injuries they are playing to win the game not save a player from a could be injury. If Newman gets hurt in pass coverage he is still hurt. It is just part of football injuries will happen but I don't think you can try and protect players

Yakuza Rich

11-22-2005, 11:38 AM

mullet

11-22-2005, 11:38 AM

i dont recall a recent injury to a punt returner this year really.but thats just me

exactly. when is the last time a cowboy punt returner got hurt?

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 11:38 AM

wv cowboy.

do u know how many games are broken open due to special teams plays?honestly

lets look at all the close games we lost this year,one newman td wins us those games since you wanna go back to past games.

but whatever,i just hope parcells listens to newman and puts him back there.PRICE IS HORRID

TruBlueCowboy

11-22-2005, 11:42 AM

I'd rather see him occasionally return punts when it's either needed (trying to make a comeback) or it's advantageous (opposing team is kicking from their endzone).

Sure, I wish Newman could be a full-time returner, but it's tough doing so when you're a starting CB.

Rich......

Just curious, but does anyone know how many starting corners since PrimeTime have tried the double duty at least one year?

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 11:43 AM

Chocolate Lab

11-22-2005, 11:45 AM

Just curious, but does anyone know how many starting corners since PrimeTime have tried the double duty at least one year?
I don't know that one... But I'm pretty sure Buchanon has, both for the Raiders and Texans. Terrance McGee of the Bills did (maybe still does?) kickoff returns, and those are even more dangerous than punts.

IMO our offense is going to be sluggish the rest of the year, and we could use all the field position, and maybe points, we can get.

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 11:46 AM

If he goes down returning a punt for 3 yds, we will all suffer through watching this team without him at corner.

If he gets hurt playing corner there isn't much we can do to stop that.

But we can prevent him from getting hurt runnng back punts.

Just like I would discourage my QB from running in the NFL.

If he gets hurt while in the pocket, that is one thing because I want him in the pocket throwing passes.

But if he gets hurt running around like a RB that is another. (*cough* Vick *cough*)

As I said I don't advocate using Newman all the time at returning punts but I think it certain situations it can be a big help to the Cowboys. In the Lions game when Newman came in to return the punt the score was 10 to 7 and Newman did get off a very good return but Thompson blocks in the back to wipe out the run

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 11:47 AM

anybody who believes in protecting newman is insane.im sorry

austintodallas

11-22-2005, 11:50 AM

Regular season...no. Post season...yes.

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 11:52 AM

maybe we dont get to the postseason if he doesnt start going back there?..............................

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 11:52 AM

maybe we dont get to the postseason if he doesnt start going back there?..............................

Sometimes a team just needs a spark and a big punt return can certainly give a team a boost. I know it did when Deion was here.

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 11:56 AM

As I said I don't advocate using Newman all the time at returning punts but I think it certain situations it can be a big help to the Cowboys. In the Lions game when Newman came in to return the punt the score was 10 to 7 and Newman did get off a very good return but Thompson blocks in the back to wipe out the run
And this example is supposed to support your argument ?

We put him at risk and got nothing.

Ok, let's say best case scenario, he returns a punt for a TD and we win by one. That's one game.

Now, worst case scenario, he gets hurt and is out for 3, 4 wks or the rest of the season.

Him not being there impacts our defense almost as much as Deion not being there.

With the season he is having, it would be devastating loss.

Risk not worth the reward .. IMO.

Look, I have stated my opinion, and the reasons why I feel that way. I am not trying to make everyone agree with me.

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 12:00 PM

maybe we dont get to the postseason if he doesnt start going back there?..............................
You're kidding, right ?

Dude we are 7-3, are tied for first in the division, and are pursuing HFA WITHOUT him returning punts.

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 12:00 PM

im sure when newman returns the game winnin punt against the skins and gives us homefield advantage well come back to this topic.

hopefully wv cowboy is present:D

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 12:01 PM

And this example is supposed to support your argument ?

We put him at risk and got nothing.

Ok, let's say best case scenario, he returns a punt for a TD and we win by one. That's one game.

Now, worst case scenario, he gets hurt and is out for 3, 4 wks or the rest of the season.

Him not being there impacts our defense almost as much as Deion not being there.

With the season he is having, it would be devastating loss.

Risk not worth the reward .. IMO.

Look, I have stated my opinion, and the reasons why I feel that way. I am not trying to make everyone agree with me.

I'm just saying Bill is out to win football games not to protect players and I also don't think Bill will use Newman all the time at punt returns but yes he will do it if he feels it can change a game or give his team an added spark. As for injuries in my eye an injured player is an injured player regardless if it happens in coverage or punt return the results is the same.

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 12:02 PM

im sure when newman returns the game winnin punt against the skins and gives us homefield advantage well come back to this topic.

hopefully wv cowboy is present:D

I don't always agree with WV but he is a class guy.

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 12:02 PM

we are also playing our toughest stretch of teams in the past 3 years.

not to mention our offense has been playing like trash recently.

and again how many times did deion win games for dallas?

how many times did he get hurt?

nuff said

cwbyfan72

11-22-2005, 12:03 PM

ive been sayin that since week 1.....some people on here kill me how they wanna protect him.

newman got some BURNERS.

I as well. I as well.

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 12:04 PM

im sure when newman returns the game winnin punt against the skins and gives us homefield advantage well come back to this topic.

hopefully wv cowboy is present:D
stilltheguru, you and me both hope we don't need a PR against the skins to win !!

I wanna win by 20 !! :yourock:

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 12:07 PM

I don't always agree with WV but he is a class guy.
Dooms, we agree a lot more here than we did on A-360 ... :lmao2:

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 12:08 PM

Dooms, we agree a lot more here than we did on A-360 ... :lmao2:

On some things. LOL... I don't always agree with you but I do have respect for you based on our conversations

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 12:17 PM

On some things. LOL... I don't always agree with you but I do have respect for you based on our conversations
Me too.

(but I still think we agree more now) :D

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 12:18 PM

Me too.

(but I still think we agree more now) :D

No we don't!!! LOL

WV Cowboy

11-22-2005, 12:26 PM

No we don't!!! LOL
Whadda ya think about Newman returning punts ??

Doomsday101

11-22-2005, 12:27 PM

Whadda ya think about Newman returning punts ??

Sometimes yes and sometimes no.

onetrickpony

11-22-2005, 12:30 PM

Price isn't the answer, that's for sure. He seems very sure handed in catching the punts, but doesn't seem to be very aggressive when it comes to the run back. He seems tentative at best.

I like using Newman the way we used to use Deion, though. Bring him in depending on the situation. He really looked quick against the Lions. Too bad TT had the penalty call on the nice return to the 15.

Charles

11-22-2005, 12:33 PM

Yes.........He was the 5th overall pick. He wasn't drafted that high solely on his Cornerback abilities. He was also a great punt returner (track star) on the collegiate level.

The Cowboys should put him back there in certain spot.......like when we have their punter in his End Zone or really backed up, where the opposing team is forced to protect more against the block and the punter has less time to get the kick off.

Duane

11-22-2005, 12:33 PM

I hate it. We don't need another Jason Sehorn.

JackMagist

11-22-2005, 12:43 PM

I don't mind using him in special situations when we have a chance to get one down close with the opposing team kicking from the back of the end zone. Newman is a threat to take it to the house or at least get us some really good field position with a short field but I do NOT want to see him back there each and every time. It just isn't worth the risk we would take having him return all the punts. BP is handling this one just right.

31smackdown

11-22-2005, 12:49 PM

He's very much like Deion back there... half of it may have to do with the fact that he replicates Deion's wardrobe with the socks and the gloves... etc.. but he has that Deion hesitation to acceleration. He's way more dangerous than anyone else we have, besides maybe Terry Glenn, with the ball in his hands.

I could definitely see using him in big games, and good field position, much like Deion. He represents a threat that no other player on this team can. The only time I remember Deion getting hurt was when he put his head down and some guy headbutted him and knocked him a little silly.

stilltheguru

11-22-2005, 12:59 PM

if only he switched his number to 21.................j/p

Erik_H

11-22-2005, 01:30 PM

sehorns was a kick return.

i just dont see many injuries from punt returns EVER.

That's correct.

While I am sure there have been injuries on Punt returns, Kickoff refturns are actually a good deal more dangerous.

I like what Newman brings to the table on a punt return, but there's no way I'd want to see him on a kickoff return.They may look similar but they're very different

Dayton Cowboy

11-22-2005, 02:35 PM

I agree with BP's philosphy of putting Newman back when the opposing teams are kicking deep from their own territory. I do worry about the risk of our corner getting injured, especially with a still healing Henry.

Fletch

11-22-2005, 02:39 PM

YEA X infinity. He was a special teams threat all through college. I am tired of hearing how he could get hurt. Well, it's football. Get over it.

koolaid

11-22-2005, 02:40 PM

id love to have newman return punts, with the way our offense is, consistantly good field position or even an occasional TD could make us very hard to beat

te0002

11-22-2005, 03:02 PM

Isn't Newman a more physical player than Deion? If so, why didn't anyone bring up the "injury factor" with Deion? The risk of injury never had anyone else bemoaning the fact Deion was our PR.

Newman can get the same results.

Reed

11-22-2005, 03:59 PM

http://www.wildcatfootball.net/Foot...ts/allVideo.php

Newmans highlights from college, hes under defensive mvp and special teams, he sure can return punts, its amazing, if was the full time returner he could be the best at it in the nfl, he had a few punt return tds in his last year at kansas state, he also led them to the number 1 defense in college

Dallas4ever

11-22-2005, 05:31 PM

I'd say yes....but in key situations only. Is it really practical to put your best corner in that role full time? Most teams wouldn't be willing to do it.

HDC

11-22-2005, 05:46 PM

If win/loss may depend on abig punt return,yes; otherwise, no.

wsmith_1972

11-22-2005, 06:34 PM

Save him for the playoffs.

Punt returner in playoffs.

ddh33

11-22-2005, 07:30 PM

I like Newman back there situationally because he's so good at it. I don't feel like the rewards outweight the risks though. I'd hate to lose him or get him worn down because he was also the full-time punt returner.

STSINAZ

11-22-2005, 07:54 PM

if tnew returns punts IMO we will dominate all facets of special teams...with mcbriar, the new cundiff and all the coverages we have...keith davis...and tyson doesnt do a bad job running back kicks...

Trip

11-22-2005, 08:25 PM

There have been studies done about NFL injuries, and by far the riskiest positions are the players applying the collisions, corners and safetys, and not the ones taking the brunt of the hits. Injuries just rarely happen to punt returners, not saying it's impossible of course, but it rarely happens. And if Newman is being protected, why is he covering punts, which is far more risky? Not only that, returning punts is something Newman can do probably better than anyone on the team, surely there is a backup player that can cover punts as well as Newman. It makes no sense.

Price is horrible, has no experience doing it except at the NFL level, and is a threat to lose us a game at any moment on a botched punt return, so yes, Newman should be returning punts IMO, and it's baffling why he isn't.