View Full Version : A question about Newman and coaching
StanleySpadowski
11-22-2005, 11:47 AM
I've seen several times where Purcells has mentioned the positive impact that Aaron Glenn has had on Newman. Newman's had an incredible season so far so there must be some truth to it, but that brings up my question.
Why the heck has Dallas been paying a secondary coach if Glenn is the one teaching?
I'm being serious. Does Newman not respond well to coaching from the staff or does the staff have a hard time making their point?
Doomsday101
11-22-2005, 11:49 AM
I've seen several times where Purcells has mentioned the positive impact that Aaron Glenn has had on Newman. Newman's had an incredible season so far so there must be some truth to it, but that brings up my question.
Why the heck has Dallas been paying a secondary coach if Glenn is the one teaching?
I'm being serious. Does Newman not respond well to coaching from the staff or does the staff have a hard time making their point?
I'm sure the secondary coach has helped Newman as well but players spend a lot more time with one another than coaches do with the players. A vet like Glenn has a lot to offer to younger players.
theogt
11-22-2005, 11:51 AM
Maybe some people are just more susceptible to their peer's advice.
TruBlueCowboy
11-22-2005, 11:52 AM
One thing I like about Parcells is he really believes in bringing in the vets to help the young guys. Marco and Larry for Rob & Torrin. Key & Terry for Crayton. Glenn for Newman. Bledsoe for Henson & Romo. And on.....
Chocolate Lab
11-22-2005, 12:00 PM
I've seen several times where Purcells has mentioned the positive impact that Aaron Glenn has had on Newman. Newman's had an incredible season so far so there must be some truth to it, but that brings up my question.
Why the heck has Dallas been paying a secondary coach if Glenn is the one teaching?
I'm being serious. Does Newman not respond well to coaching from the staff or does the staff have a hard time making their point?
Parcells has said several times that Newman is a good kid who is very conscientious and diligent about trying to improve. I think it's just that Zimmer wasn't the best secondary coach, while Todd Bowles is an excellent one. Roy was asked by the Eagles media in his conference call what the difference was this year with the secondary, and the first name he said was "Todd Bowles".
I would bet that Glenn is more a complement to what Bowles has brought, as well as being more of a friend and confidant than a coach is able to be.
trickblue
11-22-2005, 12:03 PM
One thing people are forgetting is that Newman played all of last season injured...
AbeBeta
11-22-2005, 12:10 PM
One thing people are forgetting is that Newman played all of last season injured...
and there is a huge difference between playing with Lance Frazier and Jaques Reeves versus Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn. Plus we have, for the first time in recent memory, some form of pass rush.
CooterBrown
11-22-2005, 12:41 PM
Good cop-bad cop. As the coach, Bowles can chew on his butt to make a point, and Glenn can praise him and encourage him as a friend and teammate. Between the two of them, he gets it. Newman hasn't had a mentor since he's been here. Instead of learning from a pro-bowl corner, he had to try to be one on his own.
WoodysGirl
11-22-2005, 12:49 PM
Newman in his post game show also mentions how Bowles emphasizes technique to compensate for his lack of size against big receivers...
Like someone mentioned earlier, Glenn complements what Bowles is prolly already teaching...
Also, I wouldn't say that Zim is a bad secondary coach. I think the fact that he was the DC didn't allow him to focus as much on the secondary as he should have. Attention to detail was divided...
I am sure Bowles has been helpful.
I would think that a different perspective would always help as well. BP has mentioned them having similar builds, so Glenn can give pointers in regards to technique.
Plus when a coach is off doing his X's and O's thing for an entire team, its sometimes easier for a player to ask another "Hey, how does this work again?"
I know I have been on both sides of that and it definitely helps.
Also, I wouldn't say that Zim is a bad secondary coach. I think the fact that he was the DC didn't allow him to focus as much on the secondary as he should have. Attention to detail was divided...
No, haven't you heard? Zimmy WUSS obviously doesn't know anything. :D
WoodysGirl
11-22-2005, 12:59 PM
No, haven't you heard? Zimmy WUSS obviously doesn't know anything. :DYeah, that's why he was fired as the DB's coach and retained as the DC.... :rolleyes: :cool:
jbsg02
11-22-2005, 01:18 PM
If atleast 1 of our corners doesnt make the pro-bowl, i will be convinced there is a conspiracy
InmanRoshi
11-22-2005, 01:35 PM
A father and a big brother can teach from different angles.
http://www.wildcatfootball.net/Football/virtual_cats/allVideo.php
Newmans highlights from college, hes under defensive mvp and special teams, he sure can return punts, its amazing, if was the full time returner he could be the best at it in the nfl
CowboysFan28
11-22-2005, 01:46 PM
Maybe Glenn will end up being a coach after he retires...
Hollywood Henderson
11-22-2005, 03:02 PM
Yeah, that's why he was fired as the DB's coach and retained as the DC.... :rolleyes: :cool:
If you knew football, you would KNOW that our DB's were the worst coached in the NFL...
Thats quite obvious with the praise coach Bowles has gotten and how our DB's have vastly improved their play & fundamentals...
That is why zimmy "Don't know greek" was canned as DB coach, he SUCKED...
Thats also why we could no longer trust zimmy to coach our scheme and its why Parcells HAD to make changes for the betterment of our TEAM!
Parcells did need someone to hold the clipboard this year anyway... :cool:
Some people would benefit from watching more football & posting less...
Then the world wouldn't know they don't know GREEK ether! :lmao2:
Fletch
11-22-2005, 03:07 PM
If you knew football, you would KNOW that our DB's were the worst coached in the NFL...
Thats quite obvious with the praise coach Bowles has gotten and how our DB's have vastly improved their play & fundamentals...
That is why zimmy "Don't know greek" was canned as DB coach, he SUCKED...
Thats also why we could no longer trust zimmy to coach our scheme and its why Parcells HAD to make changes for the betterment of our TEAM!
Parcells did need someone to hold the clipboard this year anyway... :cool:
Some people would benefit from watching more football & posting less...
Then the world wouldn't know they don't know GREEK ether! :lmao2:
Actually you should be giving credit to Anthony Henry for coming over in free agency, as well as Aaron Glenn. Terrence Newman is a first rounder anyway. He is just playing well because the guy is talented. The coaches can coach a scheme, but the players have to have the talent to execute.
We stunk last year because Terrence Newman had no help, and we were decimated by injuries in the secondary. Pete Hunter was injured and just plain stunk. We had rookies playing out there on the right side in Bruce Thorton and Jacques Reeves.
Bowles isn't the main reason why our secondary is vastly improved. It's because Bill got Jerry to open up the wallet and sign some real talent to go along with Terrence Newman. :cool:
joseephuss
11-22-2005, 03:09 PM
If you knew football, you would KNOW that our DB's were the worst coached in the NFL...
Thats quite obvious with the praise coach Bowles has gotten and how our DB's have vastly improved their play & fundamentals...
That is why zimmy "Don't know greek" was canned as DB coach, he SUCKED...
Thats also why we could no longer trust zimmy to coach our scheme and its why Parcells HAD to make changes for the betterment of our TEAM!
Parcells did need someone to hold the clipboard this year anyway... :cool:
Some people would benefit from watching more football & posting less...
Then the world wouldn't know they don't know GREEK ether! :lmao2:
To get to your grand level of football knowledge, most posters on here would have to have a portion of their brain removed. :D
Fletch
11-22-2005, 03:11 PM
To get to your grand level of football knowledge, most posters on here would have to have a portion of their brain removed. :D
Nah, he's just stuck with his little Zimmer avatar, knowing our defense has vastly improved and that Zimmer is still the defensive coordinator while constantly having to convince himself that he is right for fear that he will look rather silly.
:laugh2:
WoodysGirl
11-22-2005, 03:59 PM
If you knew football, you would KNOW that our DB's were the worst coached in the NFL...
Thats quite obvious with the praise coach Bowles has gotten and how our DB's have vastly improved their play & fundamentals...
That is why zimmy "Don't know greek" was canned as DB coach, he SUCKED...
Thats also why we could no longer trust zimmy to coach our scheme and its why Parcells HAD to make changes for the betterment of our TEAM!
Parcells did need someone to hold the clipboard this year anyway... :cool:
Some people would benefit from watching more football & posting less...
Then the world wouldn't know they don't know GREEK ether! :lmao2: As my boys Dbair and Rack would say:
*yawn*
:rolleyes:
Doomsday101
11-22-2005, 04:10 PM
HH just for you, a lesson in chain of command. See a DC is higher on the pecking order than the secondary coach. It works like this (see below)
Bill Parcells
Head Coach
Mike Zimmer
Defensive Coordinator
Gary Gibbs
Linebackers
Mike MacIntyre
Assistant Secondary/Defensive Quality Control
Kacy Rodgers
Defensive Line
Todd Bowles
Secondary
If you knew football, you would KNOW that our DB's were the worst coached in the NFL...
Thats quite obvious with the praise coach Bowles has gotten and how our DB's have vastly improved their play & fundamentals...
That is why zimmy "Don't know greek" was canned as DB coach, he SUCKED...
Thats also why we could no longer trust zimmy to coach our scheme and its why Parcells HAD to make changes for the betterment of our TEAM!
Parcells did need someone to hold the clipboard this year anyway... :cool:
Some people would benefit from watching more football & posting less...
Then the world wouldn't know they don't know GREEK ether! :lmao2:
So is BP just blind to retain Zim ?
Lets see...BP over 40 years coaching...HH frustrated internet poster....
Hmmm... I'll have to learn more football to see who knows more about Zim...BP or HH...hmmm
I'll get back to ya.
Hollywood Henderson
11-22-2005, 05:18 PM
So is BP just blind to retain Zim ?
Lets see...BP over 40 years coaching...HH frustrated internet poster....
Hmmm... I'll have to learn more football to see who knows more about Zim...BP or HH...hmmm
I'll get back to ya.
Why would I be frustrated? EVERYTHING I predict comes true...Get on the bandwagon instead of me running you all over day in & day out!
Just as I posted after I asked Bill PARCELLS about the 3-4 in the offseason, shortly after meeting Jerry Jones...Yep the 3-4 is coming...
The more you silly posters post the more it shows how little you know...
I think most of you still like davy the clown campy... :lmao2:
It tells ALOT how little Bill thinks of zimmy when he TOLD him to shut up, stop whinning and learn the 3-4... :cool:
AbeBeta
11-22-2005, 05:35 PM
I've seen several times where Purcells has mentioned the positive impact that Aaron Glenn has had on Newman. Newman's had an incredible season so far so there must be some truth to it, but that brings up my question.
Why the heck has Dallas been paying a secondary coach if Glenn is the one teaching?
I'm being serious. Does Newman not respond well to coaching from the staff or does the staff have a hard time making their point?
here's a question for you -- what is a better working environment -- one where you have a supervisor who always instructs you -- or one where you get help from your supervisor and an experienced co-worker?
Hostile
11-22-2005, 05:39 PM
As my boys Dbair and Rack would say:
*yawn*
:rolleyes:I think you should have gone with...
:lmao2:
Him bragging about football knowledge is like Janet Reno bragging about beauty contest wins.
Excuse me while I wait for the lame golf joke that will respond to this.
:hammock:
Kilyin
11-22-2005, 05:44 PM
Just as I posted after I asked Bill PARCELLS about the 3-4 in the offseason, shortly after meeting Jerry Jones...Yep the 3-4 is coming...
I'm not sure which smilie better suits this
:rolleyes:
or
:jerk:
WoodysGirl
11-22-2005, 05:49 PM
I think you should have gone with...
:lmao2:
Him bragging about football knowledge is like Janet Reno bragging about beauty contest wins.
Excuse me while I wait for the lame golf joke that will respond to this.
:hammock:His schtick bores me, Hos. Why feed into it?
Hostile
11-22-2005, 05:50 PM
His schtick bores me, Hos. Why feed into it?Beats sleeping pills. I agree though.
Back on topic.
Parcells has always felt Veterans are great teachers to the younger guys. Especially players that knows his system and what it takes. He's done it everywhere he goes. Sometimes a player can teach in ways that a coach can't.
Perfect example was Eddie George. Dude was lambasted and rediculed and obviouslt at end of a great career. But...... I guarantee you he taught JJ a lot in that season on work ethic, training, leadership, being a Pro. Reading D's etc. His "value" as a Vet transcended his doiminished skills as a backup RB.
He's a big believer in Vet leadership and passing on the tricks of the trade....
Kilyin
11-22-2005, 07:02 PM
Back on topic.
Parcells has always felt Veterans are great teachers to the younger guys. Especially players that knows his system and what it takes. He's done it everywhere he goes. Sometimes a player can teach in ways that a coach can't.
Perfect example was Eddie George. Dude was lambasted and rediculed and obviouslt at end of a great career. But...... I guarantee you he taught JJ a lot in that season on work ethic, training, leadership, being a Pro. Reading D's etc. His "value" as a Vet transcended his doiminished skills as a backup RB.
He's a big believer in Vet leadership and passing on the tricks of the trade....
Eddie George wasn't even around for the Cowboys offseason. Maybe a better example would be Al Singleton and the rookie linebackers.
NinePointOh
11-22-2005, 07:02 PM
if was the full time returner he could be the best at it in the nfl
Not so fast.
First of all, there's a big difference between the talent level at Kansas State and the talent level of an NFL team.
Second, Newman is too valuable to this team to put in harm's way several times per game. I'd rather not have Newman return another punt in his life than have him take a jarring hit that jeopardizes his season or career. We've got backups on this roster who can return kicks just fine and who are much more replaceable.
Eddie George wasn't even around for the Cowboys offseason. Maybe a better example would be Al Singleton and the rookie linebackers.
Eddie George was around a lot and a mentor to JJ - who stepped up and performed.
To campare George to Als is bad. The rookie he needed to mentor is burried on the bench.....aND gEORGE ONE THE BEST rb'S TO PLAY THE GAME. aLS A MARGINAL 3 YEAR STARTER. Sorry bout caps
Glenn - Newman
Glenn/Key - Crayton
Better examples -- JMO
Eddie George was around a lot and a mentor to JJ - who stepped up and performed.
To campare George to Als is bad. The rookie he needed to mentor is burried on the bench.....aND gEORGE ONE THE BEST rb'S TO PLAY THE GAME. aLS A MARGINAL 3 YEAR STARTER. Sorry bout caps
Glenn - Newman
Glenn/Key - Crayton
Better examples -- JMO
Al is a fine example. Both Ware and Fujita commended him for his vet leadership and what he brought to the team both on and off the field. A documented team leader.
Why do you take the time to write "Sorry bout caps". Why don't you just take the 2 seconds it takes to type that and fix it?
Junk - I'm a posting machine
I let typo's and stuff like that fly. I don't have time for spell check and perty up stuff.
Real answer I had to fly out and pick son up from basketball practice...... No Time to go back and retype.
2 seconds? My Commodore 64 is slow as Key - can't find any memory upgrades. You'd think someone would have stockpiled that stuff.
2 seconds? My Commodore 64 is slow as Key - can't find any memory upgrades. You'd think someone would have stockpiled that stuff.
:laugh2:
OK, thats a pretty good reason.
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