Why isn't THIS Cowboy in the HOF?

[Silverstar]

Looking at his accomplishments it's just a travesty!

http://www.dallascowboys.com/history_roh_player.cfm?art=3

Even Landry said, he was the best LB he ever coached. It just makes no sense...he should have gone in years ago. The more you think about it, the more you shake your head in disbelief.


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[nathanlt]

Looking at his accomplishments it's just a travesty!

http://www.dallascowboys.com/history_roh_player.cfm?art=3

Even Landry said, he was the best LB he ever coached. It just makes no sense...he should have gone in years ago. The more you think about it, the more you shake your head in disbelief.


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Yep, I agree completely.

[AbeBeta]

You have to be like 80 years old to care about this post.

[jackrussell]

You have to be like 37 years old devoid of any knowledge or appreciation for any Cowboys that played before 1992 to not care about this post.

[jay cee]

Looking at his accomplishments it's just a travesty!

http://www.dallascowboys.com/history_roh_player.cfm?art=3

Even Landry said, he was the best LB he ever coached. It just makes no sense...he should have gone in years ago. The more you think about it, the more you shake your head in disbelief.


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Howley not going into the HOF goes against the belief that some of the Cowboys have not made the HOF because they were not placed in the ring of honor first.

And Abersonc, I really don't like to criticize other people for their posts.....
So I will not comment any further on this...... :D
You have to be like 80 years old to care about this post.

[Sarge]

You have to be like 80 years old to care about this post.

Don't you have a coloring boook you can play with?

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[burmafrd]

Just lump him in there with Kartr and those types.

[Maikeru-sama]

Nah, very good player for the Cowboys, but I dont think he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

I tell you what though, there is an undersized, fiesty linebacker that he played next too that most certainly should get a HOF look.

Killer (http://www.dallascowboyz.com/PlayerInfo.asp?PID=173&SearchKey=(14,15,16,33)&QVal=3&PosID=15&PageName=Players.asp&NavPage=1)

- Mike G.

[TruBlueCowboy]

One constant theme I notice when reading memoirs from the legends is that many of them feel our linebackers back in the day never got their proper due. Chuck Howley, Lee Roy Jordan, Hollywood Henderson, Bob Breunig, the list goes on.... I don't know where Jerry Jones got his concept on linebackers, but we've had some good ones in Big D. I guess he'll be forced to pay the money now that we're going 3-4.

[KoRn_BoYz_5]

lol he was a gymnastics in collage, very odd combo

[Erik_H]

You have to be like 80 years old to care about this post.
that is an ageist post

[dallasblue05]

You have to be like 80 years old to care about this post.

Wrong, I'm 20 and care a hell of a lot about this post. I take any opportunity I can to learn more about the Cowboys history. Thanks for this thread, unfortunately, I obviously have never heard of/seen him playing, but his "resume" looks prett darn good!! Is it HOF good? That could be left to interpretation, however, the stats only speak for one dimension of a players game, the way he played speaks the other 2!! (that was profound, lol.........I just made a quote, lol)

neway, abersonc-you should have more respect for "your team," if it wasnt for guys like this laying the groundwork for greatness and getting those first 2 championships, Americas Team would not be as storied as it is today.

[JackMagist]

One constant theme I notice when reading memoirs from the legends is that many of them feel our linebackers back in the day never got their proper due. Chuck Howley, Lee Roy Jordan, Hollywood Henderson, Bob Breunig, the list goes on.... I don't know where Jerry Jones got his concept on linebackers, but we've had some good ones in Big D. I guess he'll be forced to pay the money now that we're going 3-4.The first Big Money contract given to a LB in Dallas was given to Dexter Coakley and the second was given to Dat Nguyen both by Jones. I'm not sure what you are getting at about Jerry here.

[TruBlueCowboy]

The first Big Money contract given to a LB in Dallas was given to Dexter Coakley and the second was given to Dat Nguyen both by Jones. I'm not sure what you are getting at about Jerry here.

Don't know how long you've been following the Cowboys but I thought this was common knowledge. Dexter is the only big money linebacker we've had. Dat's contract was pretty cheap. Long-term deal with only a million or so a year and little salary cap damage. And Dexters contract still isn't much compared to some of the higher paid linebackers in the league. This is with ten plus years of control. Jerry doesn't pay linebackers nor draft them high. Until DeMarcus Ware, who you could argue is really a defensive end, Jerry never put much effort into his linebackers. .

[JackMagist]

Don't know how long you've been following the Cowboys but I thought this was common knowledge. Dexter is the only big money linebacker we've had. Dat's contract was pretty cheap. Long-term deal with only a million or so a year and little salary cap damage. And Dexters contract still isn't much compared to some of the higher paid linebackers in the league. This is with ten plus years of control. Jerry doesn't pay linebackers nor draft them high. Until DeMarcus Ware, who you could argue is really a defensive end, Jerry never put much effort into his linebackers. .I've been a fan since 1960 (claimed the 'Boys as my team at 7 years of age) and a Serious fan since 1969. My point was that the Cowboys have NEVER payed big money to LB's. It's just a continuation of our history so it is hard to single Jerry out for it; he has treated LB's better than Tex Schram ever did.

[MinnesotaCowboy]

Ladies and gentlemen, if you didn't see Howley play then don't attempt to criticize him! He was the most athletic, dynamic LB in the Cowboy's history. Very intelligent, very quick and terrific against both the run and pass. Along with Leroy Jordan he was the bright defensive star (along with Lily, of course) on the early Cowboy teams. He probably will never get into the HOF or ROH since very few of you young whippersnappers have ever even heard about him much less seen him play. He was easily as good as the Steelers Jack Ham.......who is naturally in the HOF :rolleyes:

[TruBlueCowboy]

I've been a fan since 1960 (claimed the 'Boys as my team at 7 years of age) and a Serious fan since 1969. My point was that the Cowboys have NEVER payed big money to LB's. It's just a continuation of our history so it is hard to single Jerry out for it; he has treated LB's better than Tex Schram ever did.

Well that's not fair because we didn't pay ANYONE their money's worth until free agency. ;) I love hearing the stories from players about what cheap SOBs Tex and Gil were.

[Maikeru-sama]

Actually Lee Roy Jordan got payed very well when he decided to actually stand up to Tex and management and demad a pay raise.

He purposely waited until Training Camp was over in 1974, held out and asked for a raise.

Schramm caved and gave Jordan his $100,000 but Jordan also lost because Schramm kept him out of the Ring of Honor forever.

- Mike G.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Actually Lee Roy Jordan got payed very well when he decided to actually stand up to Tex and management and demad a pay raise.

He purposely waited until Training Camp was over in 1974, held out and asked for a raise.

Schramm caved and gave Jordan his $100,000 but Jordan also lost because Schramm kept him out of the Ring of Honor forever.

- Mike G.

Was it Walt Garrison who had the story about the Cowboys throwing in some nice alligator skin shoes to get him to sign his first contract, and then he found that they had billed him for them when he received his first paycheck? :D

[Chuck 54]

Plenty of Cowboys fans love LeeRoy Jordan, and rightfully so, but Howley was so far superior to him in every way it's not a fair comparison.

Howley always came up big in the big games, including the Baltimore Super Bowl in which he remains to this day the only MVP of the super bowl ever named from the losing team...and he was the first ever defensive player MVP.

I've said many times Howley is the most deserving non HOF player the Cowboys ever had, even ahead of Hayes and Wright, though they both deserve it as well.

Guys like Cliff Harris and Drew Pearson are guys I don't really agree with as much. My only reason for thinking Pearson deserves it is because of the Steeler WRs who got in, also undeservedly, imo.

[percyhoward]

Plenty of Cowboys fans love LeeRoy Jordan, and rightfully so, but Howley was so far superior to him in every way it's not a fair comparison.
Totally agree. Nothing against Jordan, but Howley could have easily won Super Bowl MVP two years in a row. It could be argued that his performance in Super Bowl VI was even better than in SB V.

It's good to see people appreciating these great players of the 60's and 70's.


Oh, and abersonc
It's just a matter of time, isn't it?

[Maikeru-sama]

Was it Walt Garrison who had the story about the Cowboys throwing in some nice alligator skin shoes to get him to sign his first contract, and then he found that they had billed him for them when he received his first paycheck? :D

Might of been Walt too.

I know the same thing happened to Charlie Waters. Tex came to visit him for a recruiting visit, Waters makes a positive comment about Tex's shoes. Sometime later, Waters receives the same pair of shoes in the mail.

Waters' First paycheck, a deduction for a pair of shoes.

Tex Schramm was one cheap bastid.

[Maikeru-sama]

Of all the non-hof-cowboys fans I think Harvey Martin is the biggest snub.

[SuspectCorner]

Howley could be a Trivial Pursit answer for eons. a singularity. the only Superbowl MVP named from the losing team...

but he was no trivial player. the man flat turned into a demon come playoff time. i was just kid at the time - and the memory is still vivid with me. Howley was the original "49er killer"...

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

I never did understand why the 70s Cowboys were so under valued by the HOF. Jealousy by the voters. Too high a standard for a team with a 2-3 SB record. Coach Tom was the reason Dallas got there so often. None of it makes much sence to me. So I gave up on this debate a long time a go. Suffice it to say a Cowboys player has to be twice as good as the next best to be even considered. Three times as good to get in.

The sad part is after three wins in the 90s will any of the boys get in.

[Hostile]

Ladies and gentlemen, if you didn't see Howley play then don't attempt to criticize him! He was the most athletic, dynamic LB in the Cowboy's history. Very intelligent, very quick and terrific against both the run and pass. Along with Leroy Jordan he was the bright defensive star (along with Lily, of course) on the early Cowboy teams. He probably will never get into the HOF or ROH since very few of you young whippersnappers have ever even heard about him much less seen him play. He was easily as good as the Steelers Jack Ham.......who is naturally in the HOF :rolleyes::hammer:

[Silverstar]

Chuck Howley and Lee Roy Jordan were both inducted into the ROH.

Howley was inducted in 75' and Jordan in 89'.

Notice how quickly Howley went in, where it took Jordan 13 years after he retired.



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[Maikeru-sama]

Chuck Howley and Lee Roy Jordan were both inducted into the ROH.

Howley was inducted in 75' and Jordan in 89'.

Notice how quickly Howley went in, where it took Jordan 13 years after he retired.



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That has no relevance

Everyone knows Tex held a grudge against Jordan because of a vicious holdout back in 74....

- Mike G.

[jay cee]

That has no relevance

Everyone knows Tex held a grudge against Jordan because of a vicious holdout back in 74....

- Mike G.
Wasn't that the point you originally made, Mike? Jordan went in the ROH after Jones bought the team because Schramm would not put him in.