Can some of you football guys please explain to me...

[50cent]

Why is it so hard for our staff to see that evry team we play is copying the same format to beat us? We run on first and second down, then on 3rd and 8 we try to run some 3 step drop that Bledsoe is horrid at doing. But on 3rd and 1 we throw the deep ball? The one damn game we came out threw the ball, it put our opponent on their heels for the entire game. Check this out, we were still able to control the game with the run after getting out front.

Fellas, I'm at the point that I rather throw it like Philly and then control the game with the run once we get out in front. I mean, Bledsoe is still throwing INTs and fumbling like Hutch. Why not just give it a shot? Can someone please explain our thought process, because even I am starting to second guess BP.

[ghosttown cowboy]

50, I feel your pain. I have a hard time watching this High School offense also!

[50cent]

That still doesn't help me, what are you seeing that solifies Bps stance to run, run, run.

[rojan]

The game we had today is a perfect example of why we dont pass every down...Did you see Bledsoe, He was scared and had no time to pass the ball...We have to run so the DE's dont know what is coming and they cant just pass rush all game

[NorTex]

We threw the ball more than we ran it, didn't we.

It didn't seem to matter which down we ran and which down we threw. Our pass protection was bad all day long.

[EveryoneElse]

We threw the ball more than we ran it, didn't we.


You have to when the game plan(the same one we've been rolling out there for a long time now) is a pile of crap, and you fall behind.

I say we come out ATTACKING for once. Screw it, if we're going down, lets go down FIGHTING.

[50cent]

You have to when the game plan(the same one we've been rolling out there for a long time now) is a pile of crap, and you fall behind.

I say we come out ATTACKING for once. Screw it, if we're going down, lets go down FIGHTING.Now here is a man that I like. Go down firing away. And to answer someone above, even though we did throw, we were doing it on obvious downs.

[EveryoneElse]

even though we did throw, we were doing it on obvious downs.

Thats the problem, I agree. We need to be more creative.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

when it was third and half an inch and we threw deep, thats what bothered me. The play after Uminyora beat JJ to the outside.

Get the 1st, then take a shot

[Chocolate Lab]

Parcells said just this week that the most important thing to him is controlling the clock.

Now it's debatable how much that's worth if you aren't scoring when you have the ball. IMO, some of that is simply the style he likes, like the 3-4 defense, big players, and a fullback that's more a runner than a blocker. It's not that those things are necessarily better, it's just how he likes to play the game.

And I think a lot of it is that he doesn't trust the young tackles, and to some extent Bledsoe. I think he even said this week that he simply couldn't ask these young tackles to pass protect 40 times a game. But it does seem strange in that it almost seems like a strategy you'd use to protect a defense that you don't trust, when surely Parcells doesn't doubt any longer that his defense is for real.

[EveryoneElse]

when it was third and half an inch and we threw deep, thats what bothered me. The play after Uminyora beat JJ to the outside.

Get the 1st, then take a shot

I kinda agreed with the call. My favorite time to take a shot down field is in short yardage situations. It only works when your successful at running the ball tho.

Remeber the OT game with the skins back about 4 or 5 years ago on opening day? 3rd and 1 yard. Playaction deep to Rocket. Everyone in the stadium thought Emmitt was getting that ball to pick up the first.

[big dog cowboy]

Hey I saw a pass attempt on first down today. Maybe 2!!!!!!

[EveryoneElse]

Parcells said just this week that the most important thing to him is controlling the clock.



Maybe he should focus more on scoring points. T.O.P. doesn't put points on the board, and his close to the vest, low scoring afairs have been back-Firing more than anything lately.

[jimnabby]

Folks, when you can't block, you can't do much of anything on offense. And this line cannot block. The complete inability of the line to pass-protect drives the game plan, not the other way around.

[50cent]

Parcells said just this week that the most important thing to him is controlling the clock.

Now it's debatable how much that's worth if you aren't scoring when you have the ball. IMO, some of that is simply the style he likes, like the 3-4 defense, big players, and a fullback that's more a runner than a blocker. It's not that those things are necessarily better, it's just how he likes to play the game.

And I think a lot of it is that he doesn't trust the young tackles, and to some extent Bledsoe. I think he even said this week that he simply couldn't ask these young tackles to pass protect 40 times a game. But it does seem strange in that it almost seems like a strategy you'd use to protect a defense that you don't trust, when surely Parcells doesn't doubt any longer that his defense is for real.This is exactly what I was looking for. My point is not to throw it 40 times a game, not even 30. But damnit switch up the downs on which we throw it. The DL already has an advantage knowing when we are going to snap the ball, don't let em know its a run too. Do you think Clancy had any doubt that we were going to run that ball to start the 2nd half? I don't. Every team we play knows we run on first down about 80% of the time. The odds are with them on guessing right. Oh yeah, they also know we run the ball on 1st down every time in the red zone.

[Bob Sacamano]

You have to when the game plan(the same one we've been rolling out there for a long time now) is a pile of crap, and you fall behind.

I say we come out ATTACKING for once. Screw it, if we're going down, lets go down FIGHTING.

and risk more DTs coming free up the middle to strip Bledsoe? no thanks

[Asklesko]

Change the gameplan? LMAO.

[Bob Sacamano]

Remeber the OT game with the skins back about 4 or 5 years ago on opening day? 3rd and 1 yard. Playaction deep to Rocket. Everyone in the stadium thought Emmitt was getting that ball to pick up the first.

gotta get to 3rd and 1 1st, we find ourselves in 3rd and long situations way too much

[EveryoneElse]

and risk more DTs coming free up the middle to strip Bledsoe? no thanks

Whatever. Les stick to what we're doing then, it seems to be working well....right?

[Bob Sacamano]

how about get ourselves an offensive line? that's what we need to do, so that Bill can can give into your demands

[EveryoneElse]

gotta get to 3rd and 1 1st, we find ourselves in 3rd and long situations way too much

Did you bother reading the post I replied to? He said he didn't like the pass play on third and short today. I said I did.

[Bob Sacamano]

Did you bother reading the post I replied to? He said he didn't like the pass play on third and short today. I said I did.

do you just like to argue with me? that play only works on 3rd and short, but we hardly find ourselves in 3rd and short

don't see how I'm disagreeing with you

[50cent]

Folks, when you can't block, you can't do much of anything on offense. And this line cannot block. The complete inability of the line to pass-protect drives the game plan, not the other way around.Not much difference in 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 8. Especially when you run on 1st and 2nd for 2 yards. If the line can only get you 2 yards on first and second, I think we have a better chance throwing to the back out of the backfield than pounding our hears against a wall. Hey we might just get 8 yards on 1st and 2nd throwing and then running for 2 yards on 3rd. Just try something new for gods sakes.

[EveryoneElse]

how about get ourselves an offensive line? that's what we need to do, so that Bill can can give into your demands

It doesn't take a great mind to realize that what we're doing is LOSING games right now. What is worse than losing? Nothing? Thats right. I'm saying we try a new aproach, it beats laying down and dying like we're doing now.

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't mind a new approach, but pass, pass, pass, and looking deep, is going to kill Bledsoe, and ultimately our team

think about it, we coughed up the ball 4 times today...playing "conservatively"

[EveryoneElse]

do you just like to argue with me? that play only works on 3rd and short, but we hardly find ourselves in 3rd and short

don't see how I'm disagreeing with you

I'm not arguing with you about this. I never advocated running it more. I was stating that I agreed with the call today. I'm not saying we should run it everytime we are in a 3rd and short.


I ageed with the call today.....you came back with a reason we don't run it more.

[Bob Sacamano]

I ageed with the call today.....you came back with a reason we don't run it more.

ok, what's the problem then? is it not true?

[EveryoneElse]

I don't mind a new approach, but pass, pass, pass, and looking deep, is going to kill Bledsoe, and ultimately our team

think about it, we coughed up the ball 4 times today...playing "conservatively"

Personally, I don't care if Bledsoe gets "killed". He's paid to play the position. He's not doing us much good handing the ball off for 2.5 yards a pop.

I don't have a problem losing if our coaches give our guys the best chance to win. If they fight it out and give it everything, and lose.....the best team won that day. Thats not happening, and hasn't been for a while.

[EveryoneElse]

ok, what's the problem then? is it not true?

It is true.....why are you telling me? Thats my point. I never asked why we don't run it more. Or never said we SHOULD run it more.

WHy are you telling me.....that was my point, I guess.

[Bob Sacamano]

you don't care if Bledsoe gets killed? you must have alot of faith in Tony Romo then

you catch my last sentence there? the part where we gave up the ball 4 times, playing "conservatively"? the point there, is to say, imagine if we leave Bledsoe hanging out there to dry, behind this terrible Oline, which you are suggesting...heh, what happened today is gonna be nothing compared to what we'll see then

the Giants are a pretty good team, so are the Broncos, last I checked, so if that's not, "the best team won", I dont' know what is then

[Bob Sacamano]

It is true.....why are you telling me? Thats my point. I never asked why we don't run it more. Or never said we SHOULD run it more.

WHy are you telling me.....that was my point, I guess.

I was just giving my 2cents, that's all

[EveryoneElse]

you don't care if Bledsoe gets killed? you must have alot of faith in Tony Romo then



I have no faith in Romo or Henson. My point is.....what good is Bledsoe, if he's not THROWING the football? Run. Run. Pass on 3rd and 8 is killing our playoff chances. Why not PASS to set up the RUN?

[Bob Sacamano]

simple

we don't have the Oline

[EveryoneElse]

simple

we don't have the Oline

We don't have the o-line to run either, so maybe we should just forfeit the rest of our games.

[Juke99]

It's beginning to look (alot like Christmas)...uh, no no..wait...It's beginning to look alot like Parcells has the creativity of a shoe tree.

A long time ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, Bill won a game vs the Buffalo Bills (that he wasn't supposed to win) in the super bowl...

He did it with ball control and a conservative game plan.

And he's tried to do it again and again and again since then.

The problem isn't so much that the offense has lousy players but that the game plan and the offensive philosophy is structured around perfect execution.

This offense is the anti Jimmy Johnson offense, which stressed play makers making plays.

[Bob Sacamano]

We don't have the o-line to run either, so maybe we should just forfeit the rest of our games.

no, just give us the best chance to stay in games, which is what we are doing

still haven't addressed my point about the turnovers

[EveryoneElse]

It's beginning to look (alot like Christmas)...uh, no no..wait...It's beginning to look alot like Parcells has the creativity of a shoe tree.

A long time ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, Bill won a game vs the Buffalo Bills (that he wasn't supposed to win) in the super bowl...

He did it with ball control and a conservative game plan.

And he's tried to do it again and again and again since then.

The problem isn't so much that the offense has lousy players but that the game plan and the offensive philosophy is structured around perfect execution.

This offense is the anti Jimmy Johnson offense, which stressed play makers making plays.

I was thinking the same thing today Juke. This isn't the NFL 20 years ago. I think BP was/is a great football mind. I do think he's too set in his ways to change or admit he is going about some things wrong.

[Bob Sacamano]

Bill is set in his ways about his D

yet noone's complaining about that part of the team

I guess it's only after a loss that BP is doing things wrong...

[EveryoneElse]

no, just give us the best chance to stay in games, which is what we are doing

still haven't addressed my point about the turnovers

Turnovers?

Two fumbles and two picks.

Is that all you want? Stay in games? I wanna win games. We're losing a lot of games that we are in.

[EveryoneElse]

Bill is set in his ways about his D

yet noone's complaining about that part of the team

I guess it's only after a loss that BP is doing things wrong...

The D is whats keeping us in games. We need to address the conservative offense that CAN'T do enough to justify being on the same field as the defense.

[Bob Sacamano]

Turnovers?

Two fumbles and two picks.

Is that all you want? Stay in games? I wanna win games. We're losing a lot of games that we are in.

you don't get my point...

we play conservative

we give up the ball 4 times

now imagine if we try to turn into the Rams, or Eagles...pass, pass, pass, with how bad our Oline is...

so yes, I want to stay in games, I don't want to get into a huger hole than we were today, by giving up the ball more than we did today, against a good team, which we'll see plenty of the rest of the reg. season, and playoffs

[Bob Sacamano]

The D is whats keeping us in games. We need to address the conservative offense that CAN'T do enough to justify being on the same field as the defense.

yes, address the "conservative" offense...BUILD A COMPETENT OLINE

and my point is, the D is the same D that Parcells has ran for his whole coaching career, so "he's stuck in his ways" regarding defense, now, name me a weak link on our D, that's setting them back...

I bet you can't think of one, because nothing's setting our D back, so I don't hear anyone complaining about Parcells being "stuck in his ways" how he runs his Defense

but the Oline is setting our offense back, it limits what we can do on offense, so that we MUST play "conservative", and it's as much execution as it is gameplanning, and frankly, I don't see much executing going on from our offense

see my point? there's a really weak link on offense, Oline; therefore, our offense is scaled back and sucks, while there isn't really on D; therefore, our defense is great

fix the Oline

and look at BIll's past, he isn't afraid to throw the football...

[EveryoneElse]

you don't get my point...

we play conservative

we give up the ball 4 times

now imagine if we try to turn into the Rams, or Eagles...pass, pass, pass, with how bad our Oline is...

and yes, I want to stay in games, I don't want to get into a huge hole by giving up the ball more than we did today, against a good team, which we'll see plenty of the rest of the reg. season, and playoffs

IMO, your just playing into my arguement. WE ARE LOSING. Simple as that. We're losing game. Why continue to do just enough to where the score board looks respectable, when we could TRY TO WIN A GAME. If we're gunna go down, go down SWINGING. The season is slipping. The turnovers, imo, are a result of the players playing scared.....because thats the kind of game plan that their being given. What confidence do they have if the coaches aren;t confident in them?

[Bob Sacamano]

IMO, your just playing into my arguement. WE ARE LOSING. Simple as that. We're losing game. Why continue to do just enough to where the score board looks respectable, when we could TRY TO WIN A GAME. If we're gunna go down, go down SWINGING. The season is slipping. The turnovers, imo, are a result of the players playing scared.....because thats the kind of game plan that their being given. What confidence do they have if the coaches aren;t confident in them?

*shakes head* you still dont' get it

they're playing scared because they have a right to be, and even by playing it safe, close to the vest, whatever, they give up 4 turnovers

now if we want to pass, pass, pass, like some of y'all want, we'll take protection away from Bledsoe, increasing the risk for forced fumbles and bad decisions by Drew, INTs, caused by immense pressure, and hell, even when we max-protected Bledsoe, and the Gints only sent 3 rushers, they still got to Bledsoe

[EveryoneElse]

yes, address the "conservative" offense...BUILD A COMPETENT OLINE

and my point is, the D is the same D that Parcells has ran for his whole coaching career, so "he's stuck in his ways" regarding defense, now, name me a weak link on our D, that's setting them back...

I bet you can't think of one, because nothing's setting our D back, so I don't hear anyone complaining about Parcells being "stuck in his ways" how he runs his Defense

but the Oline is setting our offense back, it limits what we can do on offense, so that we MUST play "conservative", and it's as much execution as it is gameplanning, and frankly, I don't see much executing going on from our offense

see my point? there's a really wink link on offense, Oline; therefore, our offense is scaled back and sucks, while there isn't really on D; therefore, our defense is great

Our line sucks.....everyone with a brain knows that. DUH. I wouldn't have a problem being a running team if we COULD RUN. Thats the problem. We can't run, so why not pass more often? To me, running our backs 2 plays out of 3 is a waste of time. Drew is getting hit because the only time we pass is when it's an obvious passing down or situation. MIX IT UP.

[EveryoneElse]

*shakes head* you still dont' get it

they're playing scared because they have a right to be, and even by playing it safe, close to the vest, whatever, they give up 4 turnovers

now if we want to pass, pass, pass, like some of y'all want, we'll take protection away from Bledsoe, increasing the risk for forced fumbles and bad decisions by Drew, INTs, caused by immense pressure, and hell, even when we max-protected Bledsoe, and the Gints only sent 3 rushers, they still got to Bledsoe

*Shakes Head* You don't get it.

What don't you understand about us LOSING? Being stubborn about trying to establish a running game that isn't there is killing this teams chances. Every game we spend 3 and a half qtrs trying to run the ball. then we're down by a score and THEN WE START PASSING. FOr once I'd like to see what we could do if we went on the ATTACK.

[DMX690]

Our line sucks.....everyone with a brain knows that. DUH. I wouldn't have a problem being a running team if we COULD RUN. Thats the problem. We can't run, so why not pass more often? To me, running our backs 2 plays out of 3 is a waste of time. Drew is getting hit because the only time we pass is when it's an obvious passing down or situation. MIX IT UP.


You answer your own question man. The oline does suck... therefore it doesn't matter what type of gameplan your try to implore it not going to work. Everything start and end with your ability to control the LOS and right now we can only dream off making positive runs of even give Drew enough time to set his feet. So you can come with your fancy gameplans but it not going to change the fact that this oline look like crap.

[Bob Sacamano]

You answer your own question man. The oline does suck... therefore it doesn't matter what type of gameplan your try to implore it not going to work. Everything start and end with your ability to control the LOS and right now we can only dream off making positive runs of even give Drew enough time to set his feet. So you can come with your fancy gameplans but it not going to change the fact that this oline look like crap.

THANK YOU!!

someone gets it

[EveryoneElse]

You answer your own question man. The oline does suck... therefore it doesn't matter what type of gameplan your try to implore it not going to work. Everything start and end with your ability to control the LOS and right now we can only dream off making positive runs of even give Drew enough time to set his feet. So you can come with your fancy gameplans but it not going to change the fact that this oline look like crap.

MY point is TRY dammit. TRY something that you haven't failed at yet. We have failed with this game plan(run till you have to pass). TRY something different. Drew threw 39 frickin times today, he isn't dead yet. I'm not saying throw 40 times a game. Come with something new. When I know your going to run for a yard...shock me and throw the ball.

[Bob Sacamano]

We can't run, so why not pass more often?

:bang2:

CUZ WE CAN'T

!!!

when you run the football, the only risk is losing a fumble, or a couple of yards

but when you pass the football, the risks are losing a fumble, losing 10+yards, or throwing an INT

and since our Oline sucks, we can't do either effectively, but all the risks involved with passing the football, behind an Oline that can't pass-block, increases the chances of a team finding themselves in a hole more than running the football

the whole basis behind Parcells' philosophy this year, is to stay in games instead of being blown out because the offense gives up the ball too much, our Oline is too weak for us to control games against good teams

[EveryoneElse]

:bang2:

CUZ WE CAN'T

!!!

when you run the football, the only risk is losing a fumble, or a couple of yards

but when you pass the football, the risks are losing a fumble, losing 10+yards, or throwing an INT

and since our Oline sucks, we can't do either effectively, but all the risks involved with passing the football, behind an Oline that can't pass-block, increases the chances that a team will find themselves in a hole, than running the football

Whatever you say. The offense could be more creative. Bledsoe isn't dead after throwing 39 times today. If we're gunna lose these close games, we might as well go down swinging(being more creative), rather than lying down(running for 2.6 yards a carry).

Your right, let these next 4 teams whore us by stopping the run and dictating what we do.

Good job :clap:

[Rack Bauer]

Why is it so hard for our staff to see that evry team we play is copying the same format to beat us? We run on first and second down, then on 3rd and 8 we try to run some 3 step drop that Bledsoe is horrid at doing. But on 3rd and 1 we throw the deep ball? The one damn game we came out threw the ball, it put our opponent on their heels for the entire game. Check this out, we were still able to control the game with the run after getting out front.

Fellas, I'm at the point that I rather throw it like Philly and then control the game with the run once we get out in front. I mean, Bledsoe is still throwing INTs and fumbling like Hutch. Why not just give it a shot? Can someone please explain our thought process, because even I am starting to second guess BP.



1. The eagles blitzed a lot and stupidly left their CBs one on one with our WRs.

2. We had Flozell Adams at that time and were able to protect Bledsoe. We can no longer protect him w/o leaving 2 or 3 guys in the help. When you do that it leaves only 2 or 3 available targets for Bledsoe. That hurts your passing game.


I wish people would get that through their thick skulls.

[Rack Bauer]

Your right, let these next 4 teams whore us by stopping the run and dictating what we do.



If we can't run on the Chiefs sorry defense I'll be incredibly disappointed.


But not surprised.

[DMX690]

MY point is TRY dammit. TRY something that you haven't failed at yet. We have failed with this game plan(run till you have to pass). TRY something different. Drew threw 39 frickin times today, he isn't dead yet. I'm not saying throw 40 times a game. Come with something new. When I know your going to run for a yard...shock me and throw the ball.


I really understand your frustration , i also would like to see more passing plays. But i realize under the current situation, with the state of this putrid O-line. We have to play a vanilla type offensive gameplan, because quite frankly that the only chance we have of sustaining drive. By doing this, we give our defence a chance to win the game.

[Bob Sacamano]

Bledsoe isn't dead after throwing 39 times today.
no, but he accounted for 4 turnovers

If we're gunna lose these close games, we might as well go down swinging(being more creative), rather than lying down(running for 2.6 yards a carry). if we turn into the Rams or Eagles, we won't be in any close games

still can't believe that it's BIll's fault, and not the Oline's, you see how horrible they're playing?

[EveryoneElse]

If we can't run on the Chiefs sorry defense I'll be incredibly disappointed.


But not surprised.

I expect to get blown out next week. Our defense will hold up for a half or so, but I expect to lose by atleast 17.

[Bob Sacamano]

I expect to lose by atleast 17.

LMFAO!

[Bob Sacamano]

our Oline's performance:

allowed 4 sacks and countless pressure on Bledsoe, which led to 2 INTs and 2 FFs

we averaged 3 yards per carry

and you guys wonder why Parcells plays "conservatively"...

try pointing SOME of the blame on lack of execution from our players, and yes, even Bledsoe

[Rack Bauer]

I expect to get blown out next week. Our defense will hold up for a half or so, but I expect to lose by atleast 17.



They better not... I'll be at that game.

[Billy Bullocks]

You have to when the game plan(the same one we've been rolling out there for a long time now) is a pile of crap, and you fall behind.

I say we come out ATTACKING for once. Screw it, if we're going down, lets go down FIGHTING.

well our crap game plans have got us 7-5 so far. And barring some late collapses it could be better. So I dont think that it's nessecarily the game planning. With the way the Giants front 4 got pressure today, how do you want to romp any 7 strops.

The run wasn't that bad today. Jones broke off a few decent ones.

[Rack Bauer]

For like the 200th time, we didn't lose cuz of the game plan. We lost cuz we didn't execute. Especially in our pass protection.

[Martice]

our Oline's performance:

allowed 4 sacks and countless pressure on Bledsoe, which led to 2 INTs and 2 FFs

we averaged 3 yards per carry

and you guys wonder why Parcells plays "conservatively"...

try pointing SOME of the blame on lack of execution from our players, and yes, even Bledsoe

I agree Summer. Why would we "come out throwing" when Drew's accuracy appears to increase with the longer passes. Unfortunately, he needs time from the 'O' line to get those types of passes off. Short passes are not his thing as well as throwing on the run. His short passes are well.. short, behind, too high, too low or too hard. I don't know how many short passes he was off on yesterday. Yeah the 'O' line was terrible but Drew had plenty of plays where he could get the ball out of there and they were just off. To put this into perspective, say if KJ had a nice 15 yarder in his hands while facing a good secondary and he dropped it. He would be crucified because we expect him to make those catches. Especially if they are hard to come by. Drew being off on short and screen passes has been happening all year but because his long game was on, all was forgiven and some even ignored this flaw in his game.

We only have one deep threat and 3 other receivers taking up the same space. P. Price must have really sucked because we never sent him deep and if we did, we never went to him. TG is playing great but he is not the type of WR that can take over a game regardless how teams defend him. I will say that I love and respect the effort that TG has given this year but he is no T.O.. Teams know that KJ, Crayton and Witten are not going deep. This creates an advantage for the opposing defense because the LB's and at least one safety can play up on the run while snuffing out our short and intermediate pass plays.

Drew is not THE reason our offense sucks but he is surely doing his part to screw things up. In addition, giving the ball to this guy even more is not the most sensible choice because he is not the best decision maker a lot of the times. Did it ever dawn on some of us that maybe the reason we run so much is because the alternative will ensure sudden death for our team and a rise in INT's and sacks for the opposing defense?

[30yrheel]

Folks, when you can't block, you can't do much of anything on offense. And this line cannot block. The complete inability of the line to pass-protect drives the game plan, not the other way around.


exactly right, well said.

[TunaFan33]

The game we had today is a perfect example of why we dont pass every down...Did you see Bledsoe, He was scared and had no time to pass the ball...We have to run so the DE's dont know what is coming and they cant just pass rush all game

Yeah-there were times when Bledsoe DID have time to throw-but he just didn't make the plays.

Remember the SD and SF games where he was smacked around a good one-but managed to light it up nonetheless. This definitely isn't the same Drew anymore.

[50cent]

1. The eagles blitzed a lot and stupidly left their CBs one on one with our WRs.

2. We had Flozell Adams at that time and were able to protect Bledsoe. We can no longer protect him w/o leaving 2 or 3 guys in the help. When you do that it leaves only 2 or 3 available targets for Bledsoe. That hurts your passing game.


I wish people would get that through their thick skulls.I'm not buying this bull. Teams are still blitzing us like the Eagles. Once again Bledsoe is throwing the ball 20-25 times a game. Why not get those same throws on different downs. This is what I'm talking about. If your going to throw it 3rd and 8 , why not take a chance on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 8. Run run pass is killing me.

[Rack Bauer]

I'm not buying this bull. Teams are still blitzing us like the Eagles. Once again Bledsoe is throwing the ball 20-25 times a game. Why not get those same throws on different downs. This is what I'm talking about. If your going to throw it 3rd and 8 , why not take a chance on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 8. Run run pass is killing me.


Fine, don't buy. The truth hurts, but it's still the truth. Use your common sense and you should be able to see it.

What's better for a QB, 4 or 5 recieving options, or 2 or 3 recieving options?

What's better for a QB, bad protection, or good protection?

That sinking in yet?


And the Giants blitzed maybe 5 times yesterday. They doubled Glenn almost every play. It's difficult to blitz AND double cover someone at the same time.

[ODawg]

Why is it so hard for our staff to see that evry team we play is copying the same format to beat us? We run on first and second down, then on 3rd and 8 we try to run some 3 step drop that Bledsoe is horrid at doing. But on 3rd and 1 we throw the deep ball? The one damn game we came out threw the ball, it put our opponent on their heels for the entire game. Check this out, we were still able to control the game with the run after getting out front.

Fellas, I'm at the point that I rather throw it like Philly and then control the game with the run once we get out in front. I mean, Bledsoe is still throwing INTs and fumbling like Hutch. Why not just give it a shot? Can someone please explain our thought process, because even I am starting to second guess BP.


WAY TO CONSERVATIVE

[CaptainAmerica]

Fine, don't buy. The truth hurts, but it's still the truth. Use your common sense and you should be able to see it.

What's better for a QB, 4 or 5 recieving options, or 2 or 3 recieving options?

What's better for a QB, bad protection, or good protection?

That sinking in yet?


And the Giants blitzed maybe 5 times yesterday. They doubled Glenn almost every play. It's difficult to blitz AND double cover someone at the same time.

Rack,

I agree with your point. It's a very good observation. But, I think the original point of the thread was about the play selection and the same formula we come out with offensively each week. It's a very valid point.

Go back in the game and look at the offense once we were down 17- 0.
You could see that Parcells took the reigns off the play-calling just a little and immediately we started moving the ball. A couple of longer completions to Glenn come to mind. It was more of an attack mode and not the "ball-control" offense we play with every week.

It is exactly what we did in the Monday night Philly game when we got behind. 3 or 4 plays and Bledsoe is throwing it to Glenn for a TD and up until that point we had done nothing offensively.

Now obviously, yesterday we didn't execute offensively in either half, but you just knew that after the score went to 17- 0 we changed our mindset offensively.

Did you not see that in the game yesterday?

[50cent]

Fine, don't buy. The truth hurts, but it's still the truth. Use your common sense and you should be able to see it.

What's better for a QB, 4 or 5 recieving options, or 2 or 3 recieving options?

What's better for a QB, bad protection, or good protection?

That sinking in yet?


And the Giants blitzed maybe 5 times yesterday. They doubled Glenn almost every play. It's difficult to blitz AND double cover someone at the same time.
What part isn't sinking in with you? When we throw we were going to use those same guys to protect our Tackles. I'm saying why not throw more on 1st down and stop being so predictable with the run and pass calls. Regardless of what down we throw those guys werent going in to their routes, so why not on obvious run downs mix it up and throw? You getting it yet.?

[dguinta1]

simple

we don't have the Oline

Bingo!

[Rack Bauer]

What part isn't sinking in with you? When we throw we were going to use those same guys to protect our Tackles. I'm saying why not throw more on 1st down and stop being so predictable with the run and pass calls. Regardless of what down we throw those guys werent going in to their routes, so why not on obvious run downs mix it up and throw? You getting it yet.?



The clueless one asking me if I get it... hilarious.



But, I think the original point of the thread was about the play selection and the same formula we come out with offensively each week. It's a very valid point.


Every team in the NFL, EVERY ONE OF THEM, goes out with their same formula every week. From the passing offense of the Rams to the running offense of the Steelers. It's not about playcalling, it's about execution. And it ALWAYS will be.

[50cent]

The clueless one asking me if I get it... hilarious.






Every team in the NFL, EVERY ONE OF THEM, goes out with their same formula every week. From the passing offense of the Rams to the running offense of the Steelers. It's not about playcalling, it's about execution. And it ALWAYS will be.Go take a nap, your not smart enough to figure this one out. We have a poor Ol, thats not going to change anytime soon, but our playcalling can. I don't care how many people we use to protect Bledsoe. I do care that even my 5 year can tell when we are going to run and pass. If you can't see it, then you should be sleep like he is right now.

[CaptainAmerica]

Every team in the NFL, EVERY ONE OF THEM, goes out with their same formula every week. From the passing offense of the Rams to the running offense of the Steelers. It's not about playcalling, it's about execution. And it ALWAYS will be.

Agree.

But think about my question. Did you notice a difference in our offense in the Monday Night game when we fell behind and Parcells had to open it up?

Did you notice a difference in our offense yesterday once we got behind 17-0? We clearly changed from a "ball control" mindset to an "attack" mindset.

[Rack Bauer]

Go take a nap, your not smart enough to figure this one out. We have a poor Ol, thats not going to change anytime soon, but our playcalling can. I don't care how many people we use to protect Bledsoe. I do care that even my 5 year can tell when we are going to run and pass. If you can't see it, then you should be sleep like he is right now.



So when you get your arse handed to you in a thread you resort to insults?


You? You should WAKE UP and learn a thing or two about the game.



Did you notice a difference in our offense yesterday once we got behind 17-0? We clearly changed from a "ball control" mindset to an "attack" mindset.


And we got 3 points out of it. Not exactly supporting your theory. The other 7 came after the int and we started off at the 5.


Would I LIKE to open it up more? Sure. But I KNOW that with our OL situation, it would not make a difference. If anything, it would hurt us even more.

[50cent]

So when you get your arse handed to you in a thread you resort to insults?


You? You should WAKE UP and learn a thing or two about the game.






And we got 3 points out of it. Not exactly supporting your theory. The other 7 came after the int and we started off at the 5.


Would I LIKE to open it up more? Sure. But I KNOW that with our OL situation, it would not make a difference. If anything, it would hurt us even more.
This is your problem. You keep refering to OPENING IT UP. Nobody is advocating that we open it up, just stop being so obvious with every 1st down play being a run. We can't afford to send 4 and 5 guys into routes with Pettiti and Tucker at the helm, but what we can do is max protect like we always do and throw on first down to see if throws the defense off. We have tried that once this season and it worked, why not try it again. Get off you OPEN IT UP chair and come back to reality. You could never hand me my ARSE. But you can learn to comprehend better.

[Rack Bauer]

Get off you OPEN IT UP chair and come back to reality


I was never on that chair. Never have been. I've been trying to knock people off that chair.



And I hand you your arse at least once a week.


That said, I admit I misinturpreted (sp?) your point. Throwing a bit more on first down would be nice, but it wouldn't magically make our offense good. And it sure wouldn't help the running game. It's not like teams are playing 8 man fronts against us. They're stopping our run with their front 7, for the most part.

[50cent]

You what once a week? I hardly post every week to debate with other members.

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree Summer. Why would we "come out throwing" when Drew's accuracy appears to increase with the longer passes. Unfortunately, he needs time from the 'O' line to get those types of passes off. Short passes are not his thing as well as throwing on the run. His short passes are well.. short, behind, too high, too low or too hard. I don't know how many short passes he was off on yesterday. Yeah the 'O' line was terrible but Drew had plenty of plays where he could get the ball out of there and they were just off. To put this into perspective, say if KJ had a nice 15 yarder in his hands while facing a good secondary and he dropped it. He would be crucified because we expect him to make those catches. Especially if they are hard to come by. Drew being off on short and screen passes has been happening all year but because his long game was on, all was forgiven and some even ignored this flaw in his game.

We only have one deep threat and 3 other receivers taking up the same space. P. Price must have really sucked because we never sent him deep and if we did, we never went to him. TG is playing great but he is not the type of WR that can take over a game regardless how teams defend him. I will say that I love and respect the effort that TG has given this year but he is no T.O.. Teams know that KJ, Crayton and Witten are not going deep. This creates an advantage for the opposing defense because the LB's and at least one safety can play up on the run while snuffing out our short and intermediate pass plays.

Drew is not THE reason our offense sucks but he is surely doing his part to screw things up. In addition, giving the ball to this guy even more is not the most sensible choice because he is not the best decision maker a lot of the times. Did it ever dawn on some of us that maybe the reason we run so much is because the alternative will ensure sudden death for our team and a rise in INT's and sacks for the opposing defense?

I totally agree, that's why in my last post, I said that Bledsoe too, needed to execute, the whole offense needs to execute better