Whats up with Roy

[JIGGYFLY]

Why is he going for everybodys legs what happened to the Whoo hits. It seems that all of his tackles are below the waist or is it just me. I think Roy is playing well but the intimidation factor seems to be missing I think he could have had some kill shots on Barber yesterday but went for his legs instead.

[Aikmaniac]

Wow...

[joseephuss]

I have no problems with going for Barber's legs as long as he wraps up. He didn't on one play. Other than that one play, he did his job. I will add that Tiki is hard to tackle up high for defensive backs.

[Alexander]

Going for the kill shot is what gets him into trouble. There is nothing wrong with him.

[TheHustler]

Going for the legs is a better tackle. Can't run if your feet are in the air....

[JIGGYFLY]

Going for the kill shot is what gets him into trouble. There is nothing wrong with him.
OK I agree that is a better tackling technique but the question I have is does that take away the intimidation factor and if so IMO this makes Roy a run of the mill safety and not worth the money we pay him, its certainly not for his coverage ability.

[JPM]

I'm just worried that they will install a Roy Williams below the belt tackling rule next year....

[JIGGYFLY]

I have no problems with going for Barber's legs as long as he wraps up. He didn't on one play. Other than that one play, he did his job. I will add that Tiki is hard to tackle up high for defensive backs.
Thats the thing he does not wrap up on the leg tackles it seems to me he is hitting the nsame way just he goes low now instead of up high. IMO he does not wrap up either way.

[joseephuss]

OK I agree that is a better tackling technique but the question I have is does that take away the intimidation factor and if so IMO this makes Roy a run of the mill safety and not worth the money we pay him, its certainly not for his coverage ability.

I think there was some intimidation factor in the game. How many wide receivers were running crosssing routes deep against Dallas yesterday? I didn't see many. Carter sort of caught one, but that really was a short crossing route just behind the linebackers and was caught after he crossed the whole field, not in the middle where Roy roams. Toomer and Burres are both big physcial receivers, yet neither were going into Roy's territory. I think that is intimidation.

[JIGGYFLY]

Going for the legs is a better tackle. Can't run if your feet are in the air....
I agree but you don't cause fumbles hiting low and thats what he is supposed to do is cause havok with the ball carrier.

[SuspectCorner]

puh - leez... roy williams is one of the most reliable tacklers in the NFL.

[ManofSteel2331]

who gives a crap how he tackles, as long as he makes the tackles

[Jay9508]

i like that way he's tackling now, it's a better chance the ballcarrier would go down. you for the kill shots when the ballcarrier is near the sideline, that way, if the ballcarrier does not go down, he would a least go out of bounds.

[JIGGYFLY]

I think there was some intimidation factor in the game. How many wide receivers were running crosssing routes deep against Dallas yesterday? I didn't see many. Carter sort of caught one, but that really was a short crossing route just behind the linebackers and was caught after he crossed the whole field, not in the middle where Roy roams. Toomer and Burres are both big physcial receivers, yet neither were going into Roy's territory. I think that is intimidation.
Now that you mention it there were not many patterns thrown over the middle so you would have to factor that in the equation. IMO there were a couple of times he could have laid the wood on a couple of ball carriers and he hit them low and I don't remember him doing this much in the past. It could be that he wants to make sure he gets the tackle but if just wraps up when hitting up high he could get the job done that way also.

[JIGGYFLY]

puh - leez... roy williams is one of the most reliable tacklers in the NFL.
Did I question his ability to tackle NO. Lets be realistic the reason Roy gets so much hype is because of how hard he hits not the number of tackles.

[JIGGYFLY]

who gives a crap how he tackles, as long as he makes the tackles
He was not drafted that high to just make tackles it was for his ability to change the momentum of the game by causing turnovers. If thats the case we can save a lot of money if we just want a safety that tackles.

[SuspectCorner]

Did I question his ability to tackle NO. Lets be realistic the reason Roy gets so much hype is because of how hard he hits not the number of tackles.

i love the huge blasts he puts on opponents, too. but i also appreciate him for being one of the leagues surest tacklers. when he's one-on-one in open field he ALMOST ALWAYS brings down his man.

[JIGGYFLY]

This was not meant to be a rip Roy thread some of you are just to sensitive. The point I am trying to make is if he is not laying the wood then what makes him All Pro caliber or worthy of a high dollar salary on his next contract.

[baj1dallas]

when you're flying out of the secondary to make a diving tackle short of the first down, it's hard to hit them hard enough to make highlight reels.

[JIGGYFLY]

So whats separates him from being a average safety?

[JIGGYFLY]

when you're flying out of the secondary to make a diving tackle short of the first down, it's hard to hit them hard enough to make highlight reels.
So do you think he is playing better now than in years past?

[joseephuss]

So whats separates him from being a average safety?

The key interception against the Eagles, the key caused fumble against the Giants at home. Those kinds of plays. There is a reason Eli had a bad game yesterday. Roy was part of that reason.

[JIGGYFLY]

The key interception against the Eagles, the key caused fumble against the Giants at home. Those kinds of plays. There is a reason Eli had a bad game yesterday. Roy was part of that reason.
I have to agree with you on one those plays but the interception was more a bad throw on Mcnabbs part than a great play by Roy.I do not feel that he is an average safety but IMO there semms to be something missing in his play this year.

[50cent]

I have no problem with him tacking low for this game. As much as he does intimidate I think its like a boxer. Most boxers get knocked early when they aren't warmed up enough. We were playing in very cold weather and going for woo hit can do something to him as well. Roy is smart, which not too many people give him credit for, so him going low is to ensure Tiki goes down is smart. And IMO its too damn cold to try to knock people out and ding yourself as well.

[joseephuss]

I have to agree with you on one those plays but the interception was more a bad throw on Mcnabbs part than a great play by Roy.I do not feel that he is an average safety but IMO there semms to be something missing in his play this year.

Look at his play last season. This year, he is better.

[JIGGYFLY]

I have no problem with him tacking low for this game. As much as he does intimidate I think its like a boxer. Most boxers get knocked early when they aren't warmed up enough. We were playing in very cold weather and going for woo hit can do something to him as well. Roy is smart, which not too many people give him credit for, so him going low is to ensure Tiki goes down is smart. And IMO its too damn cold to try to knock people out and ding yourself as well.
I can see were you coming from. I think with the improved play of the D overall we should se Roy at his best being let lose to make more game changing plays.I also have noticed this leg tackling going on for the last couple of weeks.

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

OK I agree that is a better tackling technique but the question I have is does that take away the intimidation factor and if so IMO this makes Roy a run of the mill safety and not worth the money we pay him, its certainly not for his coverage ability.

Wow...this from a Dallas fan? I thought that Roy Williams was every Cowboys fan beloved hero that came to save the day?

Roy tackling like this is better, he is currently doing what Sean Taylor should be doing. Although it's nice to see Taylor on Jacked up every week, he still misses too many tackles in a game by going for the killshot.

[JIGGYFLY]

Look at his play last season. This year, he is better.
Do you think he is a better SS than Woodson and what do you think the difference is between them.

[50cent]

I can see were you coming from. I think with the improved play of the D overall we should se Roy at his best being let lose to make more game changing plays.I also have noticed this leg tackling going on for the last couple of weeks.
IMO, he is being let loose. The GP didn't call for him to blitz this week because of Shockey and their WR core. If Roy blitzes on NY then Eli just lobs the ball up to Buress over Ag like they did a couple of times and if Burress breaks a tackle it could get ugly. Good GP and without the INts and fumbles by Bledsoe we executed to prefection on defense. You can't put your defense in those positions and expect for them to cover your butss every game.

[50cent]

Do you think he is a better SS than Woodson and what do you think the difference is between them.
The difference between Roy and Woody will always be coverage. Roy will probably cause as many impact plays as Woody did, but he can't cover like Woody.

[JIGGYFLY]

Wow...this from a Dallas fan? I thought that Roy Williams was every Cowboys fan beloved hero that came to save the day?

Roy tackling like this is better, he is currently doing what Sean Taylor should be doing. Although it's nice to see Taylor on Jacked up every week, he still misses too many tackles in a game by going for the killshot.
I agree to a point this is better but I never felt he missed that many tackles before. I do not feel he will ever be a big INT guy so what is going to make him a difference maker in this D.

[Maikeru-sama]

Why is he going for everybodys legs what happened to the Whoo hits. It seems that all of his tackles are below the waist or is it just me. I think Roy is playing well but the intimidation factor seems to be missing I think he could have had some kill shots on Barber yesterday but went for his legs instead.

Hmmm

You do realise that this kind of tackling by Roy Williams resulted in a forced fumble against the Broncos right?

Roy is fine, always making plays.

- Mike G.

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

I agree to a point this is better but I never felt he missed that many tackles before. I do not feel he will ever be a big INT guy so what is going to make him a difference maker in this D.

Think about this...your team is blessed with 3 great DB's. Williams doesn't have to be a big int guy.

[JIGGYFLY]

The difference between Roy and Woody will always be coverage. Roy will probably cause as many impact plays as Woody did, but he can't cover like Woody.
Thats my point Woody was never a consistent All Pro because he did not have the INTS but everybody looks at Roy in that light, but he does not have those high INT numbers either. Actually I would like to know what are Roy's turnover numbers this year as opposed to other yrs. I think Woodson was what all SS should be judged by and it was a crime that he did not make the Pro Bowl more than he did.

[JIGGYFLY]

Think about this...your team is blessed with 3 great DB's. Williams doesn't have to be a big int guy.
I realize that but if he is not knocking people out what is his real value. I have followed Roy since his OU days and I love him as a player I have just not seen him with so many low hits before and if he is not laying the wood his value diminishes.

[Wheat]

Roy can't do it all by himself. He needs help back there.

[Dallas4ever]

Why is he going for everybodys legs what happened to the Whoo hits. It seems that all of his tackles are below the waist or is it just me. I think Roy is playing well but the intimidation factor seems to be missing I think he could have had some kill shots on Barber yesterday but went for his legs instead.


I'm sure that there is nothing wrong with Roy but I did notice this on yesterday too. The ideal tackling technique is to shoot for the legs while locking them up with your arms. Roy mostly likes to hit with force and he only wraps up when he has to.

[joseephuss]

Do you think he is a better SS than Woodson and what do you think the difference is between them.

I am biased because Woody is one of my all time favorites. Woody could cover receivers one on one better than Roy. I think Roy sees things a little bit better in zone coverage. Woody was a better tackler and that is no slight to Roy who is a good tackler. I think Roy is a much better blitzer. It is still too early to tell who is better. Roy is used differently than Woody. He is still used off the line more than Woody was used.

[Dallas4ever]

Roy can't do it all by himself. He needs help back there.


You're absolutely right. Keith Davis is dang near invisible back there.

[koolaid]

Why is he going for everybodys legs what happened to the Whoo hits. It seems that all of his tackles are below the waist or is it just me. I think Roy is playing well but the intimidation factor seems to be missing I think he could have had some kill shots on Barber yesterday but went for his legs instead.
nothing is wrong with him, hes playing great, only one playing better is newman

[Kilyin]

One of the knocks on Roy is that he doesn't wrap up enough on tackles and always goes for the big killshot. Maybe he's making an effort to change that.

[conner01]

roy makes a whopping 866k, why do you say we pay him so much? there are guys on the bnench of most teams making more and never even play. roy is fine.

[JIGGYFLY]

I'm sure that there is nothing wrong with Roy but I did notice this on yesterday too. The ideal tackling technique is to shoot for the legs while locking them up with your arms. Roy mostly likes to hit with force and he only wraps up when he has to.
You saw it to. This was not a rip Roy thread I just thought that I had noticed this against Denver also and wondered why would he change his tackling style its king of strange because he still is not wrapping up just taking peoples legs out Troy made a comment about this on a tackle of Barber, something to the effect of why are you going low to tackle someone if your 240 lbs.

[JIGGYFLY]

roy makes a whopping 866k, why do you say we pay him so much? there are guys on the bnench of most teams making more and never even play. roy is fine.
Roy was drafted in the top 10 number 5 I think? in the draft so he gets paid at that rate you left out signing bonus in that 866k he is getting a lot more than that.

[JIGGYFLY]

One of the knocks on Roy is that he doesn't wrap up enough on tackles and always goes for the big killshot. Maybe he's making an effort to change that.
That could be but does that take away from his effectiveness and how does that affect his value to the team. I would like to know what your opinion is.

[Everlastingxxx]

Why you guys are questioning Roy’s game is beyond me. His value to this team is second to none. Roy and Witten should be the highest paid players on this team.

[irishwaste]

Roy was all over the field yesterday. Even my friend, whos a Giants fan, commented on how Roy was contributing to the ground defense a ton for a safety. He is fine.

[tyke1doe]

Wrap up leg tackles are hard to do when you're coming toward a speeding player at an angle.

Wrap up tackles only work if you're in front of the player and your rate of speed is greater than his.

Imagine you trying to stop and wrap up a tackler who is running fast and you're at an angle.

Roy is using his speed and angle to cut a player at the legs. You can't run if your legs stop moving.

[Jay9508]

One of the knocks on Roy is that he doesn't wrap up enough on tackles and always goes for the big killshot. Maybe he's making an effort to change that.I Agree

[EMMITTnROY]

Roy is the best tackler in the game.. when he hits people, they either stop or they go backwards.. they dont pick up extra yardage.. and trust me, the intimidation factor is still sky high with Roy

[Hoods]

This was not meant to be a rip Roy thread some of you are just to sensitive. The point I am trying to make is if he is not laying the wood then what makes him All Pro caliber or worthy of a high dollar salary on his next contract.

I've seen him make some hard hits the last few weeks. Especially on pass blockers. Sometimes you're just not in a position to make a big hit. Did you see the angle he came in while he tripped up Tiki? There was no way in hell he could have got a kill shot in. He was lucky to make a tackle.