If Brady Quinn entered the draft?

[Cbz40]

On Colin Cowherd's ESPN show today, Mel Kiper finally said if Brady Quinn entered the draft this year, he'd be picked ahead of Leinart hands-down and would challenge Reggie Bush for the top spot! Cowherd agreed 100% with Kiper.

I doubt that Quinn will come out........but

What do you think? :confused:

[Hostile]

On Colin Cowherd's ESPN show today, Mel Kiper finally said if Brady Quinn entered the draft this year, he'd be picked ahead of Leinart hands-down and would challenge Reggie Bush for the top spot! Cowherd agreed 100% with Kiper.

I doubt that Quinn will come out........but

What do you think? :confused:Quinn would be a top 5 pick, no doubt about it. He could push Leinart for top QB.

[DeWare94]

Mel Kiper also said that Mike Williams would be picked in the top 5

[Cbz40]

Quinn would be a top 5 pick, no doubt about it. He could push Leinart for top QB.


I agree Hos......I would think Bush goes #1 but I think that would probably depend on who has the first pick.

[Hostile]

I agree Hos......I would think Bush goes #1 but I think that would probably depend on who has the first pick.Every year there is a QB rush in the Draft. Houston IMO needs to go OL. If they stay at the #1 slot and Leinart and Quinn are both in the picture you can bet teams like the Jets, Browns, Dolphins, Saints, Cardinals, Ravens, and Titans all could be in the mix to make a big trade.

[Cbz40]

Every year there is a QB rush in the Draft. Houston IMO needs to go OL. If they stay at the #1 slot and Leinart and Quinn are both in the picture you can bet teams like the Jets, Browns, Dolphins, Saints, Cardinals, Ravens, and Titans all could be in the mix to make a big trade.


absolutely.......The Texans should come out of this draft smelling like a rose.

[Hostile]

Mel Kiper also said that Mike Williams would be picked in the top 5He was a top 10 pick after missing an entire year of football. If he had played, he's easily in the top 5 last year.

[bbgun]

We need him to wait a year and make a big run at him in 2007.

[Hostile]

We need him to wait a year and make a big run at him in 2007.If he stays (I support that decison for all Jr. QBs. That Sr. year is vital for development.) he'll be the overall #1 in 2007. The price will be too high.

[Rack Bauer]

I wouldn't mind having a Notre Dame QB handing off to a Notre Dame RB. Hell, throw in Stovall or Samarzdija and he can throw to some Notre Dame players too.


Wouldn't mind their TE either.

[CactusCowboy]

I was listening also and Mel said he could go ahead of Leinart and he would not be surprised. I did not hear any " hands down" comment. Maybe he did say that, but I was listening the entire time and did not her that.

[Hiero]

Honestly I think he is coming out, he just really seems to be leaning that way recently. I think he'd be an easy top 5 pick, possibly even above Leinart if his shoulder still has some issues. Too bad we couldnt get him

[thewivil]

If he stays (I support that decison for all Jr. QBs. That Sr. year is vital for development.) he'll be the overall #1 in 2007. The price will be too high.

If we play our cards right, they may not be the case.

What if we traded our first-round pick this year to a bad team that's willing to give us their first-round pick next year along with another pick this year. (i.e. Buffalo a couple drafts ago)

That would allow us to have two-first round picks next year and would enable us to have a lot more resources to make a run at Quinn. We could package our two-first round picks to move up to the first spot and grab our QB of the future.

[burmafrd]

Quinn has already said the he is coming back. he wants that extra year learning under Charlie.

[baj1dallas]

Every year there is a QB rush in the Draft. Houston IMO needs to go OL. If they stay at the #1 slot and Leinart and Quinn are both in the picture you can bet teams like the Jets, Browns, Dolphins, Saints, Cardinals, Ravens, and Titans all could be in the mix to make a big trade.

Why trade up for Quinn if Lienhart is gonna fall?


hmm Kiper is about to come on Mike & Mike and say who is gonna be better between Young, Lienhart, and Quinn.

[Chuck 54]

On Colin Cowherd's ESPN show today, Mel Kiper finally said if Brady Quinn entered the draft this year, he'd be picked ahead of Leinart hands-down and would challenge Reggie Bush for the top spot! Cowherd agreed 100% with Kiper.

I doubt that Quinn will come out........but

What do you think? :confused:
That's weird...I just saw Kiper on TV two days ago saying that Bush was clearly the #1 pick, Leinart #2, Young #3....and then he added that Quinn would be in the top 5.

When pressed about Young moving ahead of Leinartt, Kiper was very clear that there was no way....it's possible a couple of teams might have him there, but it would be a mistake because he's only had this one year of better decision making....Leinart has been consistant for 3 years according to Kiper. That was also his knock on Quinn....that he improved dramatically under Weiss, but Leinart had to be #1 among QBs because of his consistancy over 3 years, losing only 1 game.

He also said that Leinart had taken his game to another mental level this year, and that this is the time of year when scouts make the mistake of looking for reasons not to like a guy, but that it's also easy to argue that Leinart isn't only surrounded by great players, but perhaps is responsible for making the guys around him better and more successful.

Brady Quinn will not be selected ahead of either USC guy, and I'm shocked that Kiper would contradict himself that way.

[CrazyCowboy]

Who the hell is Mel Kiper Jr anyway?

[Chuck 54]

BTW....Kiper also said that Houston would love to pick #1 and use the selection on Bush....that it would make a huge impact on their team and offense, and that it was unlikely a QB would go ahead of Bush this year.

He also said that if he comes out early, the other USC RB Lindale White would be selected in round 1.

If Young and Quinn both came out this year, I believe firmly today's NFL would select the QBs in this order:

1. Matt Leinart
2. Vince Young
3. Brady Quinn

Reggie Bush will be the first player selected unless a team in need of a QB has the first pick. I don't see any trades for the top spot this year. Whoever has that spot will be thrilled to use it on either Leinart or Bush....period.

[Cbz40]

Well what I heard him say is that he would not be surprised if he were picked ahead of
Leinart & he would most definitely go in the top 5......that alot of coaches simply liked Quinn more.


It will all depend on who's picking number 1 and team needs.

[Yeagermeister]

Who the hell is Mel Kiper Jr anyway?
The Eddie Munster looking dude that is on the ESPN coverage of the draft. He's supposedly a draft guru but he's never right about our picks.

[Chuck 54]

Well what I heard him say is that he would not be surprised if he were picked ahead of
Leinart & he would most definitely go in the top 5......that alot of coaches simply liked Quinn more.


It will all depend on who's picking number 1 and team needs.
Quinn are YOung are both guys just like many QBs who have gone bust in the past, imo. Neither has had a good year till this season. That's a dangerous omen and a dangerous guy to take #1 overall. Young threw as many ints and tds just last season in Texas, and Quinn was nothing special last year at ND, part of the reason his coach was fired.

They may both turn out to be great NFL QBs, but if either wants to be the first QB taken in the draft, I think they have to prove they can do it 2 years in a row, which may be what keeps Quinn in college. It's looking very much like Young will come out, and with his size and athleticism, Quinn could just as easily end up the 3rd QB taken. He would be wise to return to school and prove his consistancy, imo.

I just don't see how any team could put the #1 pick and money into any QB other than Leinart based on their college careers...it would be a major gamble.

[Yeagermeister]

If I were a GM and my team had the #1 pick I'd be hard pressed to pick a qb over Bush even if I needed one.

[kingwhicker]

Well, we will never get him. We are never bad enough to have a chance at a legit first round talent at QB- the only one we've had a shot at in the last several years was Leftwich.

[Hostile]

Who the hell is Mel Kiper Jr anyway?You can't be serious. He is Santa Claus for draftniks. He only comes once a year and it's on Christmas day, a.k.a. the NFL Draft.

[thewivil]

If I were a GM and my team had the #1 pick I'd be hard pressed to pick a qb over Bush even if I needed one.

If Houston ends up with the top pick, they better draft Bush. They can draft O-line later. But to get an opportunity to draft a rare talent like Bush is something you just can't pass up.

[Jarv]

Can Quinn play center ?

[scottsp]

Mel Kiper has forgotten more about college prospecting than I'll ever know, but I would be utterly shocked if Leinart isn't the top player taken. I understand the dynamics involved. If Houston...or if SF has the top pick...yeah I get it.

Right now, in December, it's somewhat fashionable to make Reggie Bush out as the top pick. I'll pass on that. Great player, but I don't see him going off the board first with all that is available. Same with Quinn. Very good players, but no.

Once personal workouts commence, once film is thoroughly processed and reviewed by NFL front office people who make draft day decisions, these matters will work themselves out.

[Hostile]

Mel Kiper has forgotten more about college prospecting than I'll ever know, but I would be utterly shocked if Leinart isn't the top player taken. I understand the dynamics involved. If Houston...or if SF has the top pick...yeah I get it.

Right now, in December, it's somewhat fashionable to make Reggie Bush out as the top pick. I'll pass on that. Great player, but I don't see him going off the board first with all that is available. Same with Quinn. Very good players, but no.

Once personal workouts commence, once film is thoroughly processed and reviewed by NFL front office people who make draft day decisions, these matters will work themselves out.I'll be shocked as well, if for no other reason than Houston really needs OL and I expect them to trade out of the top spot with a team horny for the blue chip QB. Several teams need to address QB. Unless Quinn or Young declare there are only a couple who will go that high making it a bidding war.

[thewivil]

I'll be shocked as well, if for no other reason than Houston really needs OL and I expect them to trade out of the top spot with a team horny for the blue chip QB. Several teams need to address QB. Unless Quinn or Young declare there are only a couple who will go that high making it a bidding war.

I just don't know if Houston will trade down.

Take a look throughout the NFL. There tons of great offensive linemen who were drafted in the later rounds. Houston can get an awesome player in Bush and use their other picks to shore up their O-line.

[Hostile]

I just don't know if Houston will trade down.

Take a look throughout the NFL. There tons of great offensive linemen who were drafted in the later rounds. Houston can get an awesome player in Bush and use their other picks to shore up their O-line.The question is would you rather give up on Domanick Davis and roll the dice that you can find the OL pieces you need?

Or, stockpile some draft picks and fix the biggest hole in your team?

I'd stockpile the picks any day. I admire Reggie Bush but he isn't worth passing up 3 or 4 picks when you already have a decent RB.

[scottsp]

I'll be shocked as well, if for no other reason than Houston really needs OL and I expect them to trade out of the top spot with a team horny for the blue chip QB. Several teams need to address QB. Unless Quinn or Young declare there are only a couple who will go that high making it a bidding war.


Yep. This could very well be one of those trade out years, up top. Looks like it anyway.

[Chuck 54]

The question is would you rather give up on Domanick Davis and roll the dice that you can find the OL pieces you need?

Or, stockpile some draft picks and fix the biggest hole in your team?

I'd stockpile the picks any day. I admire Reggie Bush but he isn't worth passing up 3 or 4 picks when you already have a decent RB.
Comparing Davis to Bush is like comparing Quincy Carter to Troy Aikman. Houston will draft Bush if given the opportunity.

[Hiero]

I just don't know if Houston will trade down.

Take a look throughout the NFL. There tons of great offensive linemen who were drafted in the later rounds. Houston can get an awesome player in Bush and use their other picks to shore up their O-line.
they just resigned Davis to a 4 year deal. plus their OL is horrible, no way they choose Bush,they are positioning themselves for a bigtime trade down.

[Portland Fanatic]

Quinn has already said the he is coming back. he wants that extra year learning under Charlie.

This would be the smart choice for Quinn...I bet he does. He will go into next year as a top Heisman candidate, and potential #1 pic written on him. It makes sense for him to wait....love to get this kid, but the chances are slim to none.

[Hiero]

He said earlier he was staying, yet lately he's been dropping a couple hints along with Vince Young that if they have a good bowl game and their stock is high enough they will enter. I think all three qb's could be top 10 picks so I wouldnt be surprised at all if theyentered.

[Portland Fanatic]

The question is would you rather give up on Domanick Davis and roll the dice that you can find the OL pieces you need?

Or, stockpile some draft picks and fix the biggest hole in your team?

I'd stockpile the picks any day. I admire Reggie Bush but he isn't worth passing up 3 or 4 picks when you already have a decent RB.

Good post Hos...I agree 100%. If they only needed that one player to put them over the top...is one thing, but they have a horrid oline.

Trade down..get another first...heck by then they would have 3 of the top 33 picks in the draft. With a very good OT draft and some promising OG's...they could build that line...and still get a good playmaker type player with their 65th pic. Not smart to put all that $$ in one player with so many issues....get as many 1st and 2nd round players as they can and build.

[Portland Fanatic]

He said earlier he was staying, yet lately he's been dropping a couple hints along with Vince Young that if they have a good bowl game and their stock is high enough they will enter. I think all three qb's could be top 10 picks so I wouldnt be surprised at all if theyentered.

Hmmmm....if they both enter it certainly will make everything interesting. I bet all three will still be out of our range for us....

We should look hard at a Cutler type player...kinda like a Charlie Frye type pick.

We desperately need a top OT IMO....man o man...will be an interesting off-season.

[baj1dallas]

If he stays (I support that decison for all Jr. QBs. That Sr. year is vital for development.) he'll be the overall #1 in 2007. The price will be too high.

Do you think Lienhart developed any his senior year? I think all it did was give critics more time to pick apart his game. He would have been a consensus #1 pick last year but look at him now...not even a guaranteed #2.

[baj1dallas]

You can't be serious. He is Santa Claus for draftniks. He only comes once a year and it's on Christmas day, a.k.a. the NFL Draft.

I think he's just joking, that's a Bill Polian quote iirc.

[Hiero]

Hmmmm....if they both enter it certainly will make everything interesting. I bet all three will still be out of our range for us....

We should look hard at a Cutler type player...kinda like a Charlie Frye type pick.

We desperately need a top OT IMO....man o man...will be an interesting off-season.
Ya Cutler has a lot of potential, i wouldnt mind seeing him wearing the star. Quinn would still be my ideal pick, but i'd be happy to see the boys take a chance on a QB sometime first day. I've allbut given up on Henson personally, and I never thought romo was gonna start.

[silver]

bush is the best player to come out since randy moss. unfortunately he will not fall to the 20's like randy did. i fully believe he'll end up in green bay. for some strange reason i think houston is jinxed and will win 2 out of the last 4 and earn themselves the second overall pick. green bay will not win another game IMHO.

[burmafrd]

Big Irish fan here. Those HINTS some are claiming are not coming from Brady- they are coming from other sources. Some people are dreaming of the big bucks that Brady could get coming out now- and that is where its ALL coming from. Brady HIMSELF said that another year learning from Charlie would make him a better QB for the Pros. He acknowledged that many would think he was a one year wonder if he came out now. therefore he could slip deep into the first rd. And THAT would cost him millions. So from that HARD PRACTICAL point of view he will stay in school and learn from the best THERE.

[BHendri5]

I am also a big Brady Quinn fan. I say that right now he is the best college QB. He would be ready for the NFL now if he came out. I'm glad that he is staying. I liked him as a freshman, he took over as the starter as a freshman mid late in the season, and then he was the starter as a sophmore. He was not the reason Willingham got fired, I believe the powers that be at Notre Dame just got the hots for Urban Meyer. Willingham is not the QB coach that Weis is but Brady was going to be good anyway.

I was upset at the way Willingham got fired, I thought it was unfair, but I was glad that Weis was hired, and I knew that he would help Quinn Tremendously, and aanother year under Charlie will make Quinn ready to step in without going thru a lot of the natural rookie growing pains that Rookie QBs go thru.

Charlie has that NFL system going there in Southbend, both on Defense and offense.
Someone mentioned the WRs and the TE at Notre Dame, I was just thinking about those guys yesterday. Man if we could at least get the TE, we would not have the problem we have when we bring in Campbell, because that TE can block as well as catch and run routes.

No doubt in my mind that Quinn already is better than Leinart, and hands down better than Young, he definitely would go before YOung this season and the next.

Young is the better athlete, as far as running, but Quinn is no slouch. Quinn is and will be a complete QB, Young we do not know if he will make it that far. But as a runner VY is very good, I still say he would make an excellent WR in the NFL.

[Hostile]

Comparing Davis to Bush is like comparing Quincy Carter to Troy Aikman. Houston will draft Bush if given the opportunity.I didn't compare Davis to Bush. I said they can get by with Davis easier than they can get by with that OL. Their focus needs to be OL and trading down. Play on other team's greed. Use it and capitalize.

[Hostile]

Do you think Lienhart developed any his senior year? I think all it did was give critics more time to pick apart his game. He would have been a consensus #1 pick last year but look at him now...not even a guaranteed #2.Yes, I do think he developed in his senior year, though it would have been a lot more if he hadn't lost Norm Chow as his OC. No disrespect meant to Steve Sarkisian.

Leinart was more efficient in 2005 than he was in 2004 when he won the Heisman. He threw more TDs and fewer INTs and if I'm not mistaken his completion % went up. I'd call that development.

The #1 development of any Sr. year for a QB though is maturity level. You can't put a number on that.

[Danny White]

I would laugh myself to tears if Matt Leinart fell below Brady Quinn in the draft. That would just make my day!

[burmafrd]

For a lot of the first half against UCLA, Leinart stank the place up. It was all Bush.
I really think that Leinart will not be a top QBi in the NFL- more like a Trent Green, type.

[baj1dallas]

The #1 development of any Sr. year for a QB though is maturity level. You can't put a number on that.


I don't see it. I didn't really mature any my senior year of college. I matured a whole hell of a lot a couple years later after having a real job.

[Hostile]

I don't see it. I didn't really mature any my senior year of college. I matured a whole hell of a lot a couple years later after having a real job.You weren't asked to be under a microscope as the unquestioned leader of a 60+ man football squad.

Forgive me if I see a difference.

[burmafrd]

It really depends on the individual. Types like Leaf never really mature; others do.
I really have not seen all that much improvement in Leinart this year- and how much his stats are due to Bush and White and company is something else to consider.
Remember the Miami QB's of the 90's that had all that great talent around them- and none of them distinguished themselves in the Pro Ranks.

[Hostile]

It really depends on the individual. Types like Leaf never really mature; others do.
I really have not seen all that much improvement in Leinart this year- and how much his stats are due to Bush and White and company is something else to consider.
Remember the Miami QB's of the 90's that had all that great talent around them- and none of them distinguished themselves in the Pro Ranks.Leaf didn't stay for his Sr. year so how can you say he didn't mature?

Also, saying a QB should stay for their Sr. year doesn't have anything to do with whether they were already a pro prospect or not. Some of the Miami QB were not pro prospects.

[scottsp]

I don't know how much better Matt Leinart could have been this year. Of course, it would have been next to impossible for him to top his junior season. Funny thing, his best season is still the one he put up his sophomore year. He hasn't suffered any dropoff. The way they run the ball now is astounding.

You didn't hear anything out of Leinart this year except for what he did on the field. He is incredibly accurate and can make every throw an NFL team would require. He likely would have been the top pick in 2005. I don't see how he has diminished, in any way, from his draft stock.

Carson Palmer was obviously a tremendous prospect coming out of SC. Leinart picked up where he left off. They never missed a beat. In fact, they've only lost once since Palmer's departure three years ago. Leinart has been a model of consistency during that stretch. Yes, he has a wealth of talent around him. So did Palmer. So does Reggie Bush. So do Steve Smith, LenDale White, Dominique Byrd, and Dwayne Jarrett.

[Bob Sacamano]

Quinn are YOung are both guys just like many QBs who have gone bust in the past, imo. Neither has had a good year till this season. That's a dangerous omen and a dangerous guy to take #1 overall. Young threw as many ints and tds just last season in Texas, and Quinn was nothing special last year at ND, part of the reason his coach was fired.

They may both turn out to be great NFL QBs, but if either wants to be the first QB taken in the draft, I think they have to prove they can do it 2 years in a row, which may be what keeps Quinn in college. It's looking very much like Young will come out, and with his size and athleticism, Quinn could just as easily end up the 3rd QB taken. He would be wise to return to school and prove his consistancy, imo.

I just don't see how any team could put the #1 pick and money into any QB other than Leinart based on their college careers...it would be a major gamble.

Carson Palmer did nothing until his Senior year, and look how that turned out

[Bob Sacamano]

Ya Cutler has a lot of potential, i wouldnt mind seeing him wearing the star. Quinn would still be my ideal pick, but i'd be happy to see the boys take a chance on a QB sometime first day. I've allbut given up on Henson personally, and I never thought romo was gonna start.

I wouldn't mind taking Cutler

behind Oline...

and drafing Cutler, and keeping Henson would be ideal IMO let the 2 talented youngsters battle it out, and develop behind Bledsoe, after all, Henson is still under a very, cheap deal

1st round: OT
2nd round: Cutler
3rd round: OG

[ghst187]

If we play our cards right, they may not be the case.

What if we traded our first-round pick this year to a bad team that's willing to give us their first-round pick next year along with another pick this year. (i.e. Buffalo a couple drafts ago)

That would allow us to have two-first round picks next year and would enable us to have a lot more resources to make a run at Quinn. We could package our two-first round picks to move up to the first spot and grab our QB of the future.

that is actually a great idea that I've also brought up several times on this board. I'm 100% for it. It would also allow us to recoup our 4th round pick that we lost for Canty. (I think its a 4th).
Quinn is worth the wait, esp if he stays another year under Weis. Quinn is exponentially more NFL-ready than Young. Quinn has moxie like no one's business. I think Bush is the #1 pick even if Quinn came out this year but Quinn would be #2. Quinn is hands down the best college QB right now.

Without 2x #1's next year, it would cost us most of our 2007 and some 2008 picks, which is a lot....but what is a franchise QB worth?

[zagnut]

I'm in the minorities of minorities. I just don't see an every down back when I look at Reggie Bush. Maybe he can be as good as Marshall Faulk, but Faulk was just a pretty good RB until he was traded to the Rams. Marshall had to go to the right offense in order to really succeed.

Quinn? I think he's better than Leinart. Leinart plays kind of similar to Harrington minus the late game heroics (for obvious reasons). Actually, I thought Harrington was a better player in college. I just don't see it. He's the Heath Shuler/Rick Mirer of this draft.

[Hiero]

I wouldn't mind taking Cutler

behind Oline...

and drafing Cutler, and keeping Henson would be ideal IMO let the 2 talented youngsters battle it out, and develop behind Bledsoe, after all, Henson is still under a very, cheap deal

1st round: OT
2nd round: Cutler
3rd round: OG
Cutler's stock has been rising a lot lately it seems, he isnt gonna be there when we pick in the 2nd. He may sneak into the end of the 1st rd.

[Bob Sacamano]

I changed my mind

my 3 round mock, sorry, I love the draft

1st: Jonathan Scott, OT, UT
2nd: D'Qwell Jackson, MLB, Maryland (tackling machine, solid in coverage)
3rd: Hank Baskett, WR, New Mexico

[Smith22]

Quinn stays in school IMO. Put up another season like he has had this year and I don't see how he couldn't be a top 5 pick.

[burmafrd]

If he puts up another season like this one he is the #1 for 2007.

[Chuck 54]

Carson Palmer did nothing until his Senior year, and look how that turned out
Not exactly correct...Palmer played under 3 different OCs and 2 different Head Coaches and was still very successful, but simply not up to the level he was predicted. Even in his weaker years, he was better than Young or Quinn last year...his stats were never that bad...then when he had the same offense for 2 years in a row, he blossomed.

[burmafrd]

Bottom line was that Carson Palmer was no one untill his senior year- and despite fears that he was a one year wonder the Bungles made a good call and got him.
Its a risk- and for once it paid off for them.