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StevenOtero

12-07-2005, 11:44 PM

OK OK, lets seperate the faithful from the un-faithful.

Will Dallas beat KC?

I say yes.

GoChiefs

12-07-2005, 11:55 PM

I like KC. I just think we match up pretty well. Your offensive line has got to be making Gunther Cunningham drool.

Archie F. Swin

12-08-2005, 12:03 AM

This game is the Boys Defense's to win or lose. If Larry Johnson is allowed to run wild on your "RealGrass", it will be a long day for Drew and Co.

TonyS

12-08-2005, 05:40 AM

OK OK, lets seperate the faithful from the un-faithful.

Will Dallas beat KC?

I say yes.

Faithful and blind faith are two very different things. Going by what I've seen this season, I know we CAN win, but I don't think we WILL win.

Rooting for the Boys to win is being faithful. Overlooking major issues on offense is blind faith.

I think Bledsoe needs to put together a good game for us to have a chance. Can he do that? Its up for debate.

lspain1

12-08-2005, 06:02 AM

Faithful and blind faith are two very different things. Going by what I've seen this season, I know we CAN win, but I don't think we WILL win.

Rooting for the Boys to win is being faithful. Overlooking major issues on offense is blind faith.

I think Bledsoe needs to put together a good game for us to have a chance. Can he do that? Its up for debate.

I deperately want the Cowboys to win on Sunday. Even at my age, I have trouble preventing it from affecting my whole week when they lose. But I voted no on the poll. The O-Line must demonstrate they can block, and it hasn't been good for many weeks now (since Az). Until they do I can only surmise our flaws are going to end our season when the regular season ends. I can still be convinced. But I need to see a couple of wins first.

demdcowboys#1

12-08-2005, 06:17 AM

Dal:24
Kc:14

REDVOLUTION

12-08-2005, 07:14 AM

Dallas will win.

kingwhicker

12-08-2005, 07:25 AM

I'm afraid not.

hipfake08

12-08-2005, 07:29 AM

We win on Defense this week. :starspin :star: :starspin

Aikmaniac

12-08-2005, 07:43 AM

Yes, the Cowboys will win.

I have total confidence that either Henry or Glenn can handle Kennison or Parker/Hall/Horn one-on-one and certainly Newman handle the other side. This will leave tZimmer the luxury of keying on Larry Johnson.

The Chiefs are similar to the Cowboys in many ways, especially offensively. They use the run to set up the playaction pass. The difference between the teams, obviously, is the offensive line play. KC has one of the best in the biz, while our Cowboys are struggling with injuries and productivity at this point.

Keys of this game are: Can they stop Larry Johnson? If so, Green will be forced to pass against (if healthy) one of the best secondaries in football. Tony Gonzalez may be the focus of the passing game against Roy and/or Keith Davis. This is a big game of the Cowboys DL. They need to be able to pressure Green and hold their own against the running game.

So...my key matchup would be the Cowboys DL vs. the Chiefs OL.

I think Dallas will be able to stop Larry Johnson. They have stopped the games top backs all season save an overtime scamper by Ron Dayne. Therefore, with Johnson stopped the Cowboys can tee off on Trent Green who's not the most mobile of QB's.

I predict Dallas winning this game, 13-7.

cowboy404

12-08-2005, 07:47 AM

I don't think we match up as good as most people think. They're D is going to Tee Off on Bledsoe because he's immobile, which leaves our running game. They haven't allowed a hundred yard back in 19 games. We're doomed!!!! Man, it's tough being a cowboy fan!

panther1012

12-08-2005, 08:41 AM

After watching the Chiefs score all those points against a good Bronco defense and considering our absent pass rush, I have my doubts. I don't see us matching up well with this high powered offense. We would have to be alot more aggressive in our defensive and offensive gameplans. We need to score at least 24 points to have any chance of winning this game!!

Aikmaniac

12-08-2005, 08:43 AM

Yakuza Rich

12-08-2005, 09:14 AM

I think the Chiefs are the better team right now, but something is giving me the feeling that Dallas will pull out a win.

I say Dallas 23 KC 20

Rich.......

vicjagger

12-08-2005, 10:08 AM

This is a quandry.

We'd love the Cowboys to win out, but that ain't gonna happen. We need them to go 3-1 minimum. So which game do they lose? Most would say Carolina, but the best one to pick for play-off purposes would be Kansas City. They need to win the NFC games.

They, and we, certainly don't need a 3 game loosing streak. Loosing 3 and then winning the last 3 seems very improbable.

So this is the best game to loose and a must-win.

A real quandry.

Go Cowboys!!!

SuspectCorner

12-08-2005, 10:17 AM

it's likely to boil down, game-by-game, to the same question for the rest of the regular season...

can the Cowboys get a significant contribution from the offensive line?

they have an opportunity to win each time they do. and they have only an outside shot each time they don't...

in the last month the O-line has transitioned from barely mediocre to horrible. and until they show me something better i'm betting this trend will continue.

the chiefs can score some points - can dallas keep up? i don't think so.

if i can't be called a "faithful", "true", or "real" fan because i'm aware of a crushing deficiency in the team - that's okay, too. long as it doesn't affect my TV priveleges on gameday......

StevenOtero

12-09-2005, 10:56 AM

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mwmilsted

12-09-2005, 10:58 AM

brokeback

12-09-2005, 11:01 AM

I say no. Chiefs win their 4th in a row. Cowboys continue their free-fall and lose their 3rd in a row...board melts down...draft talk starts.

Mansta54

12-09-2005, 11:16 AM

hardcorebob

12-09-2005, 11:30 AM

If the line blocks for Bledsoe, I think we can rape and pillage KC's crappy secondary. If he gets pressured like in the NY, no way in hell we will win. Defensively if Dallas can keep pressure on T Green and keep their running game in check, I think we can shut them down very well. If our DB's play well, this will be another close last possession type of game.

My prediction: 28-24 Dallas

brokeback

12-09-2005, 11:33 AM

Our D will shut them down just like they've done to other TOP ranked offenses all year long. KC D can be had, especially in their secondary. Big day for Glenn and Crayton. I look for JJ to get off this weekend too. We WIN 28-17...

What top ranked offenses have you shut down? I notice you managed to hold San Francisco to only 31 points.

hardcorebob

12-09-2005, 11:34 AM

What top ranked offenses have you shut down? I notice you managed to hold San Francisco to only 31 points.

Try the Eagles (with Mcnabb and TO) and the Chargers for starters.....

Doomsday101

12-09-2005, 11:35 AM

Try the Eagles (with Mcnabb and TO) and the Chargers for starters.....

Giants rank in the top 10 and the seahawks as well.

brokeback

12-09-2005, 11:38 AM

If the line blocks for Bledsoe, I think we can rape and pillage KC's crappy secondary.

Sorry, but our secondary isn't crappy at all now that Warfield and Surtain are healthy. Surtain's been to multiple Probowls. Warfield was a below average #1 corner, but he's a strong #2. Sammy Knight leads the NFL in turnovers forced in the last 7 years or so. Greg Wesley has 6 INTs and 69 tackles.

You'd better hope that Bledsoe doesn't throw for a lot of yards because it won't be in your gameplan. If you're throwing the ball all over the yard it means you're playing from behind. If the Cowboys fall behind by 10-14 points, the game's over.

TunaFan33

12-09-2005, 11:39 AM

What top ranked offenses have you shut down? I notice you managed to hold San Francisco to only 31 points.

Yep-however, that was early in the season when our new 3-4 was a work in progress. Back then, even Anthony Henry looked AWFUL. Now, Henry et al have really played wonderfully.

It's alot like Gunther Cunningham with your team-as the Chiefs D was learning his new schemes, they got better.

Aikmaniac

12-09-2005, 11:42 AM

Sorry, but our secondary isn't crappy at all now that Warfield and Surtain are healthy. Surtain's been to multiple Probowls. Warfield was a below average #1 corner, but he's a strong #2. Sammy Knight leads the NFL in turnovers forced in the last 7 years or so. Greg Wesley has 6 INTs and 69 tackles.

You'd better hope that Bledsoe doesn't throw for a lot of yards because it won't be in your gameplan. If you're throwing the ball all over the yard it means you're playing from behind. If the Cowboys fall behind by 10-14 points, the game's over.

You do know you don't have a prayer in the playoffs, don't you?

brokeback

12-09-2005, 11:45 AM

Yep-however, that was early in the season when our new 3-4 was a work in progress. Back then, even Anthony Henry looked AWFUL. Now, Henry et al have really played wonderfully.

It's alot like Gunther Cunningham with your team-as the Chiefs D was learning his new schemes, they got better.

Oh I know. I'm just stirring the pot. Dallas has a very good D. Chiefs fans are well aware of it. It's your secondary that worries me. The Chiefs don't have great WRs, but our offensive line makes a living by dominating rushers and giving the WRs time to get open. Even the best secondary can't cover NFL WRs for more than a few seconds and Green is great at finding the open man and progressing through his reads.

TunaFan33

12-09-2005, 11:48 AM

You do know you don't have a prayer in the playoffs, don't you?

And the same thing can be said for the Chargers.

Heck-both the Chiefs and Chargers are a heck of alot better than the Gints and Seahawks. But sadly, they happen to be in that beast AFC, unlike this panty-weight NFC.

ChiefsGirl

12-09-2005, 11:50 AM

You do know you don't have a prayer in the playoffs, don't you?

And that will make two teams playing on Sunday in Texas Stadium that likely won't make much noise in the playoffs.

brokeback

12-09-2005, 11:51 AM

You do know you don't have a prayer in the playoffs, don't you?

That has a lot to do with this game. Excellent observation!

Alexander

12-09-2005, 11:52 AM

You do know you don't have a prayer in the playoffs, don't you?

I would be hesistant to throw stones at a team that has a better record than we do and has just as much of a chance to do damage in the playoffs as we do.

TunaFan33

12-09-2005, 11:55 AM

That has a lot to do with this game. Excellent observation!

Too bad your team isn't in this panty-weight NFC.

Frankly-if the 04 Iggles were in the AFC, TO would have screamed at Donovan on the sidelines EVERY week. :eek:

Boyzmamacita

12-09-2005, 12:01 PM

Sorry, but our secondary isn't crappy at all now that Warfield and Surtain are healthy. Surtain's been to multiple Probowls. Warfield was a below average #1 corner, but he's a strong #2. Sammy Knight leads the NFL in turnovers forced in the last 7 years or so. Greg Wesley has 6 INTs and 69 tackles.

You'd better hope that Bledsoe doesn't throw for a lot of yards because it won't be in your gameplan. If you're throwing the ball all over the yard it means you're playing from behind. If the Cowboys fall behind by 10-14 points, the game's over.

Conversely, if the Chiefs fall behind 10-14, the game will be over. The Dallas defense aint no joke.

BHendri5

12-09-2005, 12:04 PM

From the rooter to the tooter

jspchief

12-09-2005, 12:06 PM

You do know you don't have a prayer in the playoffs, don't you?Right now, I'd say that's a realistic opinion.

However, if KC makes the play-offs, they'll have to get there by beating 3 and likely 4 very good teams in the next 4 weeks. So if we are able to win 6 of our last 7 to get there, then we will have accomplished enough to convince me that we have a shot at winning some post-season games.

A bad start and some stupid stumbles along the way make me skeptical of what this team is really capable of. A successful run at the end of the season against tough competition would change my mind. If we get there, we'll have earned it.

And it's never a bad thing to be peaking at the right time.

brokeback

12-09-2005, 12:13 PM

Conversely, if the Chiefs fall behind 10-14, the game will be over. The Dallas defense aint no joke.

The Chiefs could fall behind 14-0 in the first quarter and still win a 34-30 type of game. That's not a swipe at your defense. It's just the way the Chiefs are build. We score on offense, force a lot of turnovers and give up a lot of points on defense, and can score in the blink of an eye on special teams.
Now that our secondary is healthy, we can really force teams into mistakes when they are playing from behind. Ask Tom Brady about his career-high 4 INTs 2 weeks ago.

Aikmaniac

12-09-2005, 01:16 PM

That has a lot to do with this game. Excellent observation!

Well, from the tone of the Chiefs fans' posts in this thread, you'd think that they've already got reservations for Detroit.

Here's an observation: The Chiefs stink on the road. How's that?

DeathToTheSkinS

12-09-2005, 01:56 PM

20-17 Dallas

Chief3188

12-09-2005, 02:58 PM

Well, from the tone of the Chiefs fans' posts in this thread, you'd think that they've already got reservations for Detroit.

Here's an observation: The Chiefs stink on the road. How's that?

I think in order for a team to stink on the road I think they would have a losing record on the road. Dont you ?? the Chiefs are 3-3 on the road. The boys are 2-3 on the road right now I believe and that would quality for a stinky road team.

Aikmaniac

12-09-2005, 03:03 PM

I think in order for a team to stink on the road I think they would have a losing record on the road. Dont you ?? the Chiefs are 3-3 on the road. The boys are 2-3 on the road right now I believe and that would quality for a stinky road team.

OMG...one game? Spin it however you will, but your team isn't as good as you think they are. The members of this board know just how good (or mediocre) the Cowboys are.

I will guarantee you that this game will not be as easy as you think. How much faith do you have in Trent Green? Larry Johnson will be the focus of the defense.

DMX690

12-09-2005, 03:07 PM

I think in order for a team to stink on the road I think they would have a losing record on the road. Dont you ?? the Chiefs are 3-3 on the road. The boys are 2-3 on the road right now I believe and that would quality for a stinky road team.

All i know is, if a team like Buffalo can't stop your offence and you guys couldn't stop a Qb like J.P lostman. Then, i wouldn't be this confident in my own team. I would respect the Cowboys a little more.

Chief3188

12-09-2005, 03:07 PM

OMG...one game? Spin it however you will, but your team isn't as good as you think they are. The members of this board know just how good (or mediocre) the Cowboys are.

I will guarantee you that this game will not be as easy as you think. How much faith do you have in Trent Green? Larry Johnson will be the focus of the defense.

Where in my statement did I try and spin anything. I just stated a simple fact. I know this game will not be easy and I have a lot of respect for the Cowboys ( mainly because I have Keyshawn and Julius on FF ) and I know they have a wicked defense lead by the monster Roy Williams. I am not stuck up about my team in any shape or form but I am confident in them due to the way they have been playing especially since we got healthy. I have plenty of faith in Green as long as the Oline protects him but that goes for any QB as far as protection goes. And the only way to know how good either of our teams are will be in the postseason if they get there so dont say my team isnt as good as I think they are.

Chief3188

12-09-2005, 03:09 PM

First off on that game we were missing some Olineman mainly Roaf and 2nd we shut down Losman besides 2 passing plays that were perfect passes. We shut down their running game but I wouldnt look at that game as an indicator of how good the Chiefs are anymore than I would look at the game against San Fran to determine how good the boys are. I think it is you who are underestimating the Chiefs. I mean look at Indy only putting up 13 against Cleveland at the RCA dome -- Teams have bad games and that was easily our worst game.

brokeback

12-09-2005, 03:10 PM

Well, from the tone of the Chiefs fans' posts in this thread, you'd think that they've already got reservations for Detroit.

Here's an observation: The Chiefs stink on the road. How's that?

Our .500 winning percentage doesn't bear that out. In fact, we have the same road record as you. The difference is we have a better home record.

Asklesko

12-09-2005, 03:13 PM

No chance.

brokeback

12-09-2005, 03:21 PM

OMG...one game? Spin it however you will, but your team isn't as good as you think they are. The members of this board know just how good (or mediocre) the Cowboys are.

I will guarantee you that this game will not be as easy as you think. How much faith do you have in Trent Green? Larry Johnson will be the focus of the defense.

Trent Green's started every game for a team that has had one of the most productive offenses in NFL history over a 5 year period. I've got a little faith in him.
The best thing Bledsoe's done for his team in the last 5 years is get injured...enter Tom Brady. People are bagging on Losman in this thread. Bledsoe was dumped from Buffalo for Losman. He's had a QB rating over 77 once in the last 6 full seasons. Green has had a rating of at least 82 in 6 of his 7 years as a starter.
When was the last time Bledsoe played for a good offensive team again?

TunaFan33

12-09-2005, 05:19 PM

Trent Green's started every game for a team that has had one of the most productive offenses in NFL history over a 5 year period. I've got a little faith in him.
The best thing Bledsoe's done for his team in the last 5 years is get injured...enter Tom Brady. People are bagging on Losman in this thread. Bledsoe was dumped from Buffalo for Losman. He's had a QB rating over 77 once in the last 6 full seasons. Green has had a rating of at least 82 in 6 of his 7 years as a starter.
When was the last time Bledsoe played for a good offensive team again?

FWIW-Bledsoe had his very best years when he played with Parcells in NE.

In 96(the year they went to the Super Bowl)-Parcells hired Chris Palmer to help clean up his faulty mechanics. Apparently, it made a big difference.

brokeback

12-09-2005, 11:18 PM

FWIW-Bledsoe had his very best years when he played with Parcells in NE.

In 96(the year they went to the Super Bowl)-Parcells hired Chris Palmer to help clean up his faulty mechanics. Apparently, it made a big difference.
as far as football is concerned, 1996 might as well be an entirely different decade than 2005...I mean century...I mean millennium...You know what I mean.

Trip

12-09-2005, 11:35 PM

brokeback

12-10-2005, 12:34 AM

I can see where the J.P. Losman wise crack comes from because he and his Bills beat the Chiefs.

But you don't have to rationalize how Losman is better than Bledsoe to convince yourself KC has a chance this week, because it wasn't really Losman that beat the Chiefs, it was that potent KC offense that lost the game by scoring 3 points.

Some of these Chiefs fans are questioning the young, Dallas defense, but I can assure you after looking at your schedule, this will be the best D that your team has faced this season.
I just think it's telling that the Bills were willing to let Bledsoe go when they only had Losman waiting in the wings. We looked like garbage on offense against Buffalo. I'll be the first to admit it. (Losman did make 2 incredible TD throws that day. They were perfection.) I don't think Losman's better, but I don't think Bledsoe's got much left in the tank either.
Dallas has a good D. There's no denying that. I tend to think that our offense, which is finally healthy and hitting on all cylinders, is better than your defense. I base this on our offensive line's dominance. If your d-line can get pressure on Green and take away Dante Hall's KR opportunities, you will win the game. If not, we will win. Green is a surgeon when he has space to step up and throw. Larry Johnson is a monster, and Dante Hall is Dante Hall.
Our successes and failures on offense have been due to the level of offensive line play. Green doesn't have a strong arm by any means. He really has to step up and throw with his entire body. I kind of think it's a bad habit he developed due to his incredible protection over the last 4 years. We have had a patchwork line all year that got healthy 2 weeks ago. Now they're dominating. If your defense can get past the 4 Probowlers (2004) who block for Green (Shields G, Roaf T, Watters G, Richardson FB) then more power to you.