Dallas vs. KC

[EveryoneElse]

I just got this bad feeling in my gut as I saw the preview of Trent Green's interview on NFL Network. Dallas and KC are two teams that are in common situations. Both are in a fight to make the playoffs. The big difference I see, is the ATTITUDE of both teams. They are in, and have been in fight back mode for most the season, while we were in the cat birds seat for a while there and now we're hanging on by a thread.

Basically what I'm saying is.....

IMO, and I could be totally off base here, we are in a panic. We had a shot to slap the giants in the face and cruise into the playoffs last week. Now we, more than likely, have to go atleast 3-1 to make the playoffs.

The Cheifs on the other hand have been getting better as the year has worn on, and they have an "Us against the world" type attitude. That is what scares me.

With that being said....

My heart says Dallas 8-5 after this game....
My head says Dallas 7-6 after this game.

I hope my heart is right.

Any thoughts?

[Archie F. Swin]

It will be the 'Boys ability to stuff the run vs the Chiefs' ability to get at Drew. My view is horrorably skewed, but I see KC as a more dynamic team offensively. You can't deny the fact that the 'Boys have allowed far fewer points than the Chiefs this season. One weakness of the Chiefs of late has been defending kick returns. This game could easilly be won by Hall or Thompson takin one all the way. There's no doubt Dante has one left in him this season.

[DallasDomination]

If I were just a normal NFL fan without following the Boys I would tell you that KC will destroy DAllas.

But seriously can we argue?

I mean we got a very good Defense that is and will be the only reason we win or stay in the game....But come on if our offense is a bigger threat to us then how can we expect to win.

MY heart says DAllas puts it together and comes out with a win but my head is saying OH crap not again.

[DallasDomination]

It will be the 'Boys ability to stuff the run vs the Chiefs' ability to get at Drew. My view is horrorably skewed, but I see KC as a more dynamic team offensively. You can't deny the fact that the 'Boys have allowed far fewer points than the Chiefs this season. One weakness of the Chiefs of late has been defending kick returns. This game could easilly be won by Hall or Thompson takin one all the way. There's no doubt Dante has one left in him this season.

The chiefs have 2 strengths coming into the game. One is a balanced offense and the second is a good Special teams.

DAllas on the other hand only has a very good Defense with an Average, mediocore at times Offense.

But I will say this much if JJ does decide to step up regardless of this horrific Oline Watch out because then that just turns the tables and it allows a team such as DAllas or any for that matter to open the play book and be productive.

[Shaun]

Apparently, the Chiefs are more talented on both sides of the ball. Add to that Surtain is better than Newman, Knight and Roy Williams are about the same player, and Warfield is easily better than Anthony Henry.

This is what goes wrong when you judge talent from a stat sheet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=130802

[DallasDomination]

Judging talent on pure stats is idiotic....But either way Henry Glenn and Newman are very good regardless of your personal opinion about them.

[Shaun]

Judging talent on pure stats is idiotic....But either way Henry Glenn and Newman are very good regardless of your personal opinion about them.

That isn't my opinion. I am referring to the opinion of the individual who started the post I linked.

[demdcowboys#1]

Apparently, the Chiefs are more talented on both sides of the ball. Add to that Surtain is better than Newman, Knight and Roy Williams are about the same player, and Warfield is easily better than Anthony Henry.

This is what goes wrong when you judge talent from a stat sheet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=130802

Wow, those guys are fools

one of em predicting another 160 yd game and 3 td performance for larry johnson

boy will he be in for a suprise

[Archie F. Swin]

Apparently, the Chiefs are more talented on both sides of the ball. Add to that Surtain is better than Newman, Knight and Roy Williams are about the same player, and Warfield is easily better than Anthony Henry.

This is what goes wrong when you judge talent from a stat sheet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=130802

Gotta give the guy credit...that's lots of typing and the Kennison vs. Glenn thing is hilarious!

[bbgun]

Just don't start with the "we're still alive if ..." chatter if we lose this game. I won't be in the mood.

[panther1012]

I just finished watching the KC-Denver game again from this past weekend. Fellas, it does not look good. KC has an OL that can flat out dominate. They have a big, fast back that will break at least 1-2 long runs on us. They have Dante for getting good field position on the punt and kick-return game. To put it mildly, this is probably the best offensive team we have faced this year. If they score more than 24, we're done for.

They only saving grace is the fact their defense is weak on the pass game. Our only shot is to control the clock by running the ball to keep that high octane offense at the Gatorade cart. We must keep Drew upright to complete his passes and we need a big game from one of our recievers.

[wesleyc288]

I just finished watching the KC-Denver game again from this past weekend. Fellas, it does not look good. KC has an OL that can flat out dominate. They have a big, fast back that will break at least 1-2 long runs on us. They have Dante for getting good field position on the punt and kick-return game. To put it mildly, this is probably the best offensive team we have faced this year. If they score more than 24, we're done for.

They only saving grace is the fact their defense is weak on the pass game. Our only shot is to control the clock by running the ball to keep that high octane offense at the Gatorade cart. We must keep Drew upright to complete his passes and we need a big game from one of our recievers.

Yep, right on.....We better show up this Sunday, or we are done for

[Bob Sacamano]

I just got this bad feeling in my gut as I saw the preview of Trent Green's interview on NFL Network. Dallas and KC are two teams that are in common situations. Both are in a fight to make the playoffs. The big difference I see, is the ATTITUDE of both teams. They are in, and have been in fight back mode for most the season, while we were in the cat birds seat for a while there and now we're hanging on by a thread.

Basically what I'm saying is.....

IMO, and I could be totally off base here, we are in a panic. We had a shot to slap the giants in the face and cruise into the playoffs last week. Now we, more than likely, have to go atleast 3-1 to make the playoffs.

The Cheifs on the other hand have been getting better as the year has worn on, and they have an "Us against the world" type attitude. That is what scares me.

With that being said....

My heart says Dallas 8-5 after this game....
My head says Dallas 7-6 after this game.

I hope my heart is right.

Any thoughts?

I dont' know why you expected us to cruise past the Giants, and dont' you think Dallas will have that same attitude the chiefs had, if both are fighting for a playoff spot, now that we lost 2 straight?

[TunaFan33]

I dont' know why you expected us to cruise past the Giants, and dont' you think Dallas will have that same attitude the chiefs had, if both are fighting for a playoff spot, now that we lost 2 straight?

Yep-a fluke play was the difference in the Giants game. It wasn't like Eli set the world on fire either.

[Bob Sacamano]

Apparently, the Chiefs are more talented on both sides of the ball. Add to that Surtain is better than Newman, Knight and Roy Williams are about the same player, and Warfield is easily better than Anthony Henry.

This is what goes wrong when you judge talent from a stat sheet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=130802

dude in the 1st post said A Henry is having a "decent" year

but other than that, he did a pretty good job, although I dont' like the shot he took at Spears, Spears is doing pretty well, although it doesn't show up on the stat sheet

[Bob Sacamano]

I just finished watching the KC-Denver game again from this past weekend. Fellas, it does not look good. KC has an OL that can flat out dominate. They have a big, fast back that will break at least 1-2 long runs on us.

call me a homer, but the Chief's O doesn't impress me, I think we've shutdown better offenses

[Bob Sacamano]

Yep-a fluke play was the difference in the Giants game. It wasn't like Eli set the world on fire either.

doesn't matter, the Giants are a good team, so are we

still dont' see how any of the 2 could expect to just cruise past the other...

[GoChiefs]

call me a homer, but the Chief's O doesn't impress me, I think we've shutdown better offenses

Wow. I think you've made a gross miscalculation.

How can you not be impressed? We just put 171 yards on the #1 run defense.

[TunaFan33]

doesn't matter, the Giants are a good team, so are we

still dont' see how any of the 2 could expect to just cruise past the other...

I know. The Giants are one of the elite teams in the NFL-acknowledged.

However-was just pointing out that they didn't cruise past us either. IF, let's say, WE came out on top instead, the headlines would have said "Eli isn't up to par like his brother", and not "The old shades of Drew are coming back".

Just from an objective POV-both QBs played subpar.

[Bob Sacamano]

Wow. I think you've made a gross miscalculation.

How can you not be impressed? We just put 171 yards on the #1 run defense.

guess I'll have to wait and see

we've shutdown alot of great running teams

[Shaun]

Wow. I think you've made a gross miscalculation.

How can you not be impressed? We just put 171 yards on the #1 run defense.

Really, I think you have made a gross miscalculation. This defense has been playing lights out.

And the ranking you are quoting is misleading. They are number 1 in yards because nobody attempts to run the ball against them. The Denver defense would be less impressive if you were to look at YPC.

[GoChiefs]

The Denver defense would be less impressive if you were to look at YPC.

That's an interesting statement.

Dallas YPC allowed: 4.2

Denver YPC allowed: 3.9

Does this mean KC will run over Dallas as well?

[SkinsandTerps]

:D Go with your head.

Your heart is in the wrong place.

[TunaFan33]

That's an interesting statement.

Dallas YPC allowed: 4.2

Denver YPC allowed: 3.9

Does this mean KC will run over Dallas as well?

FWIW-this 05 season has had many, many wrinkles. At one moment, the Falcons were the favorites to win the Super Bowl. However, at the next, they've folded.

Both Dallas and KC are pretty darn good football teams. However-I would bet on the home team in this head-head matchup.

[juice28]

I know I'm totally biased, but the glass is half full. We were in every game this season. Not too many teams can say that. And remember what Bill said in the beginning of the season about close games and the sooner or later you're going to start winning more than you're losing....well it's time for the averages to go in our favor. Again, I'm biased, but I think we're a couple of games from being serious SB contenders. On the downside, we're a couple of games from "Who should we draft?"

[Doomsday101]

Cowboys are favored by 3 points in the game and I think they will cover the spread.

[MS17]

Have read a few lines from pundits who claim the KC/Dallas game Sunday keeps one team's playoff hopes alive, and the loser in all probability goes home, no playoffs. If we lose Sunday, I dont want to hear statistical probabilities or what-ifs either. This is the second "must win" game in two weeks.
Get it done, Cowboys.

[Doomsday101]

Have read a few lines from pundits who claim the KC/Dallas game Sunday keeps one team's playoff hopes alive, and the loser in all probability goes home, no playoffs. If we lose Sunday, I dont want to hear statistical probabilities or what-ifs either. This is the second "must win" game in two weeks.
Get it done, Cowboys.

I agree it is a big game. I will say until the league office tells the Cowboys they are out of the playoff race I will still expect the Cowboys to go out and put the best players they have on the field to achive the post-season.

[brokeback]

Apparently, the Chiefs are more talented on both sides of the ball. Add to that Surtain is better than Newman, Knight and Roy Williams are about the same player, and Warfield is easily better than Anthony Henry.

This is what goes wrong when you judge talent from a stat sheet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=130802

His analysis is almost spot on. Newman is a very good CB. Surtain has made multiple Probowls. He gave Surtain a 6/4 edge. At worst it's 5/5.

He gave Roy Williams a 7/3 edge over Sammy Knight. That's generous. Williams is a stud, but Knight leads the NFL in turnovers forced over the last 5 years.

Henry and Warfield are both solid #2 CBs. Notice that he gave Warfield the edge because of the fact that Henry is nowhere near 100%.

Kennison and Glenn are the same guy. Their ages are almost as identical as their stats. Any unbiased analysis would call this a push. I actually looked at ESPN and noticed that Kennison is a higher pick in their fantasy leagues and is owned by more players than Glenn.

[brokeback]

Really, I think you have made a gross miscalculation. This defense has been playing lights out.

And the ranking you are quoting is misleading. They are number 1 in yards because nobody attempts to run the ball against them. The Denver defense would be less impressive if you were to look at YPC.

Lights out?

You've given up almost 300 yards rushing in the last 2 weeks. Denver also gives up considerably fewer ypc than do the Cowboys. It's not like you didn't try to run the ball against them when you played them. You ran 29 times for 85 yards (2.9 ypc). The following week, we ran 37 times for 168 yards and 2 TDs (4.5 ypc).

[Doomsday101]

Lights out?

You've given up almost 300 yards rushing in the last 2 weeks. Denver also gives up considerably fewer ypc than do the Cowboys. It's not like you didn't try to run the ball against them when you played them. You ran 29 times for 85 yards (2.9 ypc). The following week, we ran 37 times for 168 yards and 2 TDs (4.5 ypc).

And what has the KC defense done? not a damn thing they rank around the bottom of the league and your bragging on them? Give me a break your team is overrated and your cry baby coach is ridiculas every time I turn around he is boo hooing over some lame ars . If KC defense was that great they would not be ranked 27 and giving up 21 points a game. Compared that to Dallas who is giving up 17 points a game.

[jspchief]

Personally, I think this will be LJ's biggest test. Dallas is incredibly stingy against the run, and it will take patience from Saunders if we're going to get the job done.

A big part of Denver's run D success has to do with teams abandoning the run early on them. LJ's 4th qtr success against them seems to support that theory.

I don't think Dallas has had the luxury of big leads to force teams out of their run game, so in many ways, I think that legitimizes their run Defense more.

LJ and KC's O-line is probably going to be the best run attack you've seen all year. I don't know if that mean's it will be successful, but I do think it will be your biggest test.

[brokeback]

And what has the KC defense done? not a damn thing they rank around the bottom of the league and your bragging on them? Give me a break your team is overrated and your cry baby coach is ridiculas every time I turn around he is boo hooing over some lame ars . If KC defense was that great they would not be ranked 27 and giving up 21 points a game. Compared that to Dallas who is giving up 17 points a game.

What has our defense done? If you could read, you'd already know. We haven't given up a 100 yard rusher in nearly 20 games. We're 3rd in the AFC in forcing TOs. We've been giving up around 285 ypg over the last month. The Chiefs have had a high scoring offense the last few years. As a result, there have been a lot more total plays run per game. This inflates the number of yards and points allowed.
There's a reason the Chiefs have a better record than the Cowboys despite the fact that we play in the strongest division in the strongest conference and the Cowboys play in the NFC (aka the JV league.)
I'll take a team coming off of 3 straight wins and starting to peak over a team that's in a free-fall any day. (That's your cue to start making excuses for losing 2 in a row at the most critical point in the season.)

[Doomsday101]

What has our defense done? If you could read, you'd already know. We haven't given up a 100 yard rusher in nearly 20 games. We're 3rd in the AFC in forcing TOs. We've been giving up around 285 ypg over the last month. The Chiefs have had a high scoring offense the last few years. As a result, there have been a lot more total plays run per game. This inflates the number of yards and points allowed.
There's a reason the Chiefs have a better record than the Cowboys despite the fact that we play in the strongest division in the strongest conference and the Cowboys play in the NFC (aka the JV league.)
I'll take a team coming off of 3 straight wins and starting to peak over a team that's in a free-fall any day. (That's your cue to start making excuses for losing 2 in a row at the most critical point in the season.)

No excuse we lost 2 close games. Your D is ranked 27 sing their praise all you want I'm not impressed at all with KC defense or lack of. Offense they do present a challenge but defense is a fricken joke.

[GoChiefs]

No excuse we lost 2 close games. Your D is ranked 27 sing their praise all you want I'm not impressed at all with KC defense or lack of. Offense they do present a challenge but defense is a fricken joke.

No, it's not. Our run defense is ranked among the league leaders. You think that is a joke?

[TunaFan33]

No, it's not. Our run defense is ranked among the league leaders. You think that is a joke?

Huh? Gunther Cunningham has been the best thing to their D. He's definitely alot better than that incompetent s*** Greg Robinson, IMHO.

Who said your D was a joke?

I'm just glad we're playing in Texas Stadium. If we were playing in Arrowhead, we would be DOOMED.

[brokeback]

No, it's not. Our run defense is ranked among the league leaders. You think that is a joke?

These guys think pass defense is a good indicator of a team's defense. They probably think that throwing for 300 yards is a positive thing for a team to do. Me? I'd love Green to throw 21 times for 185 yards and no INTs and Bledsoe to throw 42 times for 320 yards.

[brokeback]

Who said your D was a joke?

UMMMMMMMM I would say the guy he quoted in his post was the culprit.

[jspchief]

No excuse we lost 2 close games. Your D is ranked 27 sing their praise all you want I'm not impressed at all with KC defense or lack of. Offense they do present a challenge but defense is a fricken joke.Maybe it is a bit of a "joke". Although I think our run D is legitimate, and our scoring D is solid.

That begs the question, how good does our joke of a defense have to be to slow down your mediocre offense?

It should be an interesting game. Strength versus strength, weakness versus weakness. I think we'll both get a good idea of where our teams are headed after this game. If KC loses, I think it establishes the we are nothing better thana middle of the road team. I Dallas losing would say pretty much the same thing.

[brokeback]

This should be an interesting game because of the contrasting styles. I think the Chiefs are going to try to stretch the field on the opening drive and put the Cowboys on their heels knowing that they aren't a team built to play from behind and may start to hang their heads if they get down by 14 points. If the Cowboys can disrupt our offense by getting into the backfield the way Denver did in week 3, the Chiefs may push the panic button again and get blown out.

[TunaFan33]

This should be an interesting game because of the contrasting styles. I think the Chiefs are going to try to stretch the field on the opening drive and put the Cowboys on their heels knowing that they aren't a team built to play from behind and may start to hang their heads if they get down by 14 points. If the Cowboys can disrupt our offense by getting into the backfield the way Denver did in week 3, the Chiefs may push the panic button again and get blown out.

If we were playing at Arrowhead, NO WAY our O would be able to overcome the hostile crowd noise there.

At the very least-am relieved about THAT.

[brokeback]

But but but I thought Tatum Bell said Dallas was louder than Arrowhead. Or was he just trying to piss off Chiefs fans?

[ConcordCowboy]

Well as far as I'm concerned this is the true test for Dallas.

Loss of a big game last week. Now if you can't beat Kansas City at home with everything on the line ( I know they won't be out Officially ) then you don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

It's time to cut the BS...They just lost two games in a row that they really needed to win in order to show that they were a playoff team...This is the last straw.

They need to beat KC no excuses.

[EveryoneElse]

I dont' know why you expected us to cruise past the Giants, and dont' you think Dallas will have that same attitude the chiefs had, if both are fighting for a playoff spot, now that we lost 2 straight?

I never stated that we should "Cruise past the Giants". I said we had a chance to beat them and cruise into the playoffs.

There is a difference in attitudes. We are in a PANIC. The Cheifs have a confidence of sorts.