Gado vs. JJ

[bbgun]

Someone please explain to me how a Nigerian practice squad guy, who's very new to football, and who runs behind an offensive line just as awful as the Cowboys, can amass several more 100 yd games than JJ? The phantom ankle injury/excuse is getting tiresome.

[JohnsKey19]

what does the fact that he's "Nigerian" have anything to do with it?????

[baj1dallas]

Nigerian = "came out of nowhere"

I'd say it's due to coaching.

[JohnsKey19]

Didn't he play college ball at Liberty University??

[bbgun]

what does the fact that he's "Nigerian" have anything to do with it?????

It means he's raw and new to the game.

[Naruto]

Easy just watch them play. Gado is a lot quicker, makes better cuts and has better vision. Not hard to see why he's better.

[JohnsKey19]

trouble-making ??? why, because I asked a simple question? Just wanted to see your reason for including the player's nationality.

[goshan]

cause JJ runs with two hands on the ball, always runs in the called hole (instead of bouncing out side) and is now too bulky. also he is top heavy and has mediocre leg strength.

any more questions?

[JohnsKey19]

oh well i see bbgun's post was edited by a mod...

[JohnsKey19]

as for the relevant part of the question...

I think Gado's running style better fits GB's running game than JJ's does here in Dallas. We have a power running game and JJ simply is not a power RB. I think thats why(among other reasons) you see Barber look more effective than JJ this season.

[bbgun]

trouble-making ??? why, because I asked a simple question? Just wanted to see your reason for including the player's nationality.

I know what you were implying, and I don't like it. If he was from France, that would have been noted too.

[JohnsKey19]

I know what you were implying, and I don't like it. If he was from France, that would have been noted too.



you know what i was implying????? OK. I actually wasn't implying anything. i was asking a simple question. Your answer was because he's raw and new to the game. But I still don't see what relevance a player's nationality has when that player played at least 3-4 years of college(Liberty) ball in the US. Now if I'm wrong on that then thats my mistake. I mean, it's not like he just picked up a football for the 1st time and suddenly found his was onto the GB Packers.

[AdamJT13]

Someone please explain to me how a Nigerian practice squad guy, who's very new to football, and who runs behind an offensive line just as awful as the Cowboys, can amass several more 100 yd games than JJ? The phantom ankle injury/excuse is getting tiresome.

It's probably the same reason Scott Fujita can get cut by the Chiefs, start only half the season and still make more big plays than first-rounder Derrick Johnson. Like Naruto says, "he's just better."

[CaptainAmerica]

I know what you were implying, and I don't like it. If he was from France, that would have been noted too.


OVERREACTION.

[theogt]

you know what i was implying????? OK. I actually wasn't implying anything. i was asking a simple question. Your answer was because he's raw and new to the game. But I still don't see what relevance a player's nationality has when that player played at least 3-4 years of college(Liberty) ball in the US. Now if I'm wrong on that then thats my mistake. I mean, it's not like he just picked up a football for the 1st time and suddenly found his was onto the GB Packers.Your inability to see his meaning speaks to both your intelligence and the adequacy of his inference. I don't think he was being racist (or nationalist for that matter). Get over it. The guy came out of nowhere and is putting up nice stats. It's a great point.

[utrunner07]

Well, Gado is not sharing time with MB III, another good running back, Gado is and has been healthy all season( just becuase your tired of hearing about the high ankle sprain does not make it any less legit), Green Bay is playing a lot of meaningless games against poor teams, and becuase this is Gado's first season he is new to all teams so they are still figuring out how to game plan against them.

[Dallas]

OVERREACTION.
Agreed -

You people are so sensitive around here. We are talking about Nigeria. Tell me how many times the kid watched NFL football growing up in NIGERIA??

Thats what was meant and thats how folks viewed it. Well...excepct Mr. Sensitive.

[bbgun]

Your inability to see his meaning speaks to both your intelligence and the adequacy of his inference. I don't think he was being racist (or nationalist for that matter). Get over it. The guy came out of nowhere and is putting up nice stats. It's a great point.

As the Fonz would say, "Exactamundo." I can't help that he came from Nigeria, nor will I be cowed from pointing out that he did. His origins and inexperience (compared to JJ's) are relevant. Politically correct race hustling has no place on this board.

[fortdick]

Your inability to see his meaning speaks to both your intelligence and the adequacy of his inference. I don't think he was being racist (or nationalist for that matter). Get over it. The guy came out of nowhere and is putting up nice stats. It's a great point.

Actually, the reader drew the inference, and that was a perceived implication. That the writer did not mean to imply what was inferred is just a matter of perception. I too, wondered what the retort meant, as I inferred from the original statement that being from Nigeria, Gado did not have as much experience, and therefor it could be surmised that he would not have as great a chance to succeed.

However, if I could have been mistaken, and it could have been a reference to the consaguinuity of the Nigerian people that was the premise, or that being from Nigeria, he was at some genetical or social disadvantage.

I personally find it all hilarious

:laugh2:

[fortdick]

Didn't he play college ball at Liberty University??

Would this have been more relevant if he had come from Liberia?

[theogt]

Actually, the reader drew the inferenceYes, I recognized this after i re-read my post. I'm just too lazy to hit the edit button.

[fortdick]

Yes, I recognized this after i re-read my post. I'm just too lazy to hit the edit button.

LOL!!!!! I know the feeling! I was just being a butthead.

[JohnsKey19]

As the Fonz would say, "Exactamundo." I can't help that he came from Nigeria, nor will I be cowed from pointing out that he did. His origins and inexperience (compared to JJ's) are relevant. Politically correct race hustling has no place on this board.

C'mon man. Race hustling??? You've got it all wrong. The guy could've been from (insert country here) for all I care. The only reason I raised the question was because I thought Gado had played several years of college ball in the US and at this point should be sufficiently schooled on the game of football to at least function in the NFL IF physically talented enough, particularly for a RB. That's why I questioned the inclusion of his origins. Where he was born and lived for 17-18 years seemed insignificant IMO given he has effectively played college ball and I'm sure watched the NFL some while in the US. Now obviously it's not an ideal situation but it is feasible. It's not like he's playing a position on the field where vast exposure to the game may be viewed as being essential. He's big with decent speed, has good feet and hits the hole hard. I haven't watched him too much, but I'm assuming he's in primarily on running downs where his task is simple - run the ball.

[jem88]

I know what you were implying, and I don't like it. If he was from France, that would have been noted too. Well maybe you just shouldn't mention it and all would be fine, no?

[jem88]

Just find this bio on the guy
http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/sam_gado/

it's not like he just arrived in the country. 39 games at Liberty and high school football as well. I wonder if basketball fans felt the same incredulity when Hakeem Olajuwon was tearing it up and a good old American player like Sam Bowie wasn't.

[conner01]

mr political correctness. being as he is from a country that does'nt play football i see the relavance of using his country of origin.how many nigerians have ever played in the nfl? one is all i can think of. as for why he is doing well. who knows but before i pencil him as great i would like to see him do something against some good teams, it also helps to have brett in the backfield and keeping the safties back

[jem88]

One more thing, I just read that he moved here when he was 8 years old. Any thoughts on that bbgun? Maybe you should think before you post next time.

[superpunk]

I believe every single NFL broadcast that I have seen of the Packers has pointed out in some way that he's Nigerian. I fail to see the big deal.

[Doomsday101]

I believe every single NFL broadcast that I have seen of the Packers has pointed out in some way that he's Nigerian. I fail to see the big deal.

I guess because football is not a big sports in Africa so not many guys from there play professional football.

[jem88]

I believe every single NFL broadcast that I have seen of the Packers has pointed out in some way that he's Nigerian. I fail to see the big deal.
It's one thing to point out where someone is from, it's quite another to use that information as a factor in comparing his performance to that of another player. I don't think the original poster had any racist intent but he surely shouldn't go off the handle when another poster asks for some clarification of the original statement.

[superpunk]

I guess because football is not a big sports in Africa so not many guys from there play professional football.

I know why the NFL broadcasters do it. I just don't see why anyone would jump on the guy who started this thread for mentioning the same thing.

[JohnsKey19]

I believe every single NFL broadcast that I have seen of the Packers has pointed out in some way that he's Nigerian. I fail to see the big deal.


It's not a big deal. Doesn't mean questions can't be asked. I think people were irritated when there was a perception of implied racism, when it never was on my part.

[superpunk]

It's one thing to point out where someone is from, it's quite another to use that information as a factor in comparing his performance to that of another player. I don't think the original poster had any racist intent but he surely shouldn't go off the handle when another poster asks for some clarification of the original statement.

I don't see why any clarification was necessary. If someone thought it was, the ONLY reason they could possibly want clarification is becasue or some percieved nationalism or racism. I just don't get that, when every NFL broadcast makes mention of the same fact. It's pretty cool that a guy from Nigeria is performing so well. It would be just as cool if some giant white guy from Lithuania became a good WR. I think it's interesting that some guy from Nigeria (again, not known for it's football prowess) is outperforming our ND RB. No reason to even question why he mentioned it.

[superpunk]

It's not a big deal. Doesn't mean questions can't be asked. I think people were irritated when the perception was racism was implied, when it never was on my part.

Even if you weren't, it seems others are. :rolleyes:

[wileedog]

The phantom ankle injury/excuse is getting tiresome.

What other excuse would you like?

[Doomsday101]

I know why the NFL broadcasters do it. I just don't see why anyone would jump on the guy who started this thread for mentioning the same thing.

I agree there is no reason why anyone should be upset for mentioning that this guy came from Nigeria. It is a great story that a person who did not grow up playing the sport is now playing the game at its highest level. Same intrigue took place here in Houston with Hakeem Olajuwon a guy who grew up playing soccer in Nigeria and turns into one of the all time best Centers in the NBA

[jem88]

mr political correctness. being as he is from a country that does'nt play football i see the relavance of using his country of origin.how many nigerians have ever played in the nfl? one is all i can think of.
Who cares? How many basketball players can you think of who spent a majority of their childhood Italy and then went on to become NBA superstars? I can only think of one. The point is, living in a place until you are eight years is not likely to have a big impact on your future sport endeavours.

[bbgun]

What other excuse would you like?

Because it's clear he wasn't the same player before the injury and before Flo's departure.

[jem88]

I don't see why any clarification was necessary. If someone thought it was, the ONLY reason they could possibly want clarification is becasue or some percieved nationalism or racism. I just don't get that, when every NFL broadcast makes mention of the same fact. It's pretty cool that a guy from Nigeria is performing so well. It would be just as cool if some giant white guy from Lithuania became a good WR. I think it's interesting that some guy from Nigeria (again, not known for it's football prowess) is outperforming our ND RB. No reason to even question why he mentioned it.
Again if the commentators are using that fact as a source of amazement/bemusement/amusement or whatever, then they are bringing up irrelevant information.

[wileedog]

Because it's clear he wasn't the same player before the injury and before Flo's departure.

Again, what answer are you looking for?

Are you shooting for the whole nonsensical "Parcell's coached it out of him" angle?

Or will you settle for the rational explanation that perhaps he bulked up a little too much in the offseason, lost some confidence and is/was trying to do too much?

[Doomsday101]

Again if the commentators are using that fact as a source of amazement/bemusement/amusement or whatever, then they are bringing up irrelevant information.

And you find that a new concept that these guys covering the game bring up irrelevant information? LOL Personally I don't think it is a big deal talking about a kid who came from Nigeria no more than how Madden would comment on Nate Newton sweaty butt all the time. LOL

[Doomsday101]

Again, what answer are you looking for?

Are you shooting for the whole nonsensical "Parcell's coached it out of him" angle?

Or will you settle for the rational explanation that perhaps he bulked up a little too much in the offseason, lost some confidence and is/was trying to do too much?

Yeah it is all Parcells fault. LOL Jones is having some trouble and all of a sudden it is Bill's fault.

[superpunk]

Again if the commentators are using that fact as a source of amazement/bemusement/amusement or whatever, then they are bringing up irrelevant information.

And it's just as relevant to bring it up when comparing him to our RB who grew up playing football in this country. It's an interesting fact, and totally relevant.

[jem88]

And you find that a new concept that these guys covering the game bring up irrelevant information? LOL Personally I don't think it is a big deal talking about a kid who came from Nigeria no more than how Madden would comment on Nate Newton sweaty butt all the time. LOL
Me neither. But again using his nationality as some kind of measuring stick for his outperforming JJ just doesn't make sense, especially when he came to the U.S. when he was 8 years old. And if some idiot like Paul McGuire does it, that doesn't make it any less dodgy.

[Doomsday101]

Me neither. But again using his nationality as some kind of measuring stick for his outperforming JJ just doesn't make sense, especially when he came to the U.S. when he was 8 years old. And if some idiot like Paul McGuire does it, that doesn't make it any less dodgy.

I agree and frankly I don't pay too much attention to the guys in the booth during a game.

[bbgun]

With apologies to Christian Okoye, this has become the Nigerian Nightmare Part 2.

[jem88]

And it's just as relevant to bring it up when comparing him to our RB who grew up playing football in this country. It's an interesting fact, and totally relevant.
Which part of he moved here when he was eight, played high school football and finally college football did you not understand? Strikes me as a guy with a fairly extensive background in football

[NewEraCowboy]

It's probably the same reason Scott Fujita can get cut by the Chiefs, start only half the season and still make more big plays than first-rounder Derrick Johnson. Like Naruto says, "he's just better."

WOW, Finally Adam makes a mistake. Fujita wasn't cut, he was actually traded to us. I am honored to be able to correct a statistical machine in ADAMJT13. Just messin with ya, your still the greatest. :bow:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Didn't he play college ball at Liberty University??

That explains it then, Jerry Falwell prayed for him to do well.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I believe every single NFL broadcast that I have seen of the Packers has pointed out in some way that he's Nigerian. I fail to see the big deal.

It's better than having to listen to stories about how Favre's wife's Aunt's cousin stubbed her toe the night before the game so Favre is playing with a heavy heart and will win one for the relative by rumour.

[Bob Sacamano]

wow, look, a petty argument

why does this suprise me?

[jem88]

wow, look, a petty argument

why does this suprise me?
The only thing petty was the original posters paranoid response to a legitimate question.

[jem88]

It's better than having to listen to stories about how Favre's wife's Aunt's cousin stubbed her toe the night before the game so Favre is playing with a heavy heart and will win one for the relative by rumour.
I agree. I like Favre but the whole commentator schtick with him gets really tiresome. The same with Brady. Brady got called for an illegal block the other night and the disappointment in the commentators' voices was tangible. They were just about to start up on a 'look at Brady out there blocking' bit when the ref made the call.

[Chuck 54]

hmmmm....after reading through 4 pages of overly sensitive BS, I'm rating this one of the dumbest arguments I've seen between adults in a long while.

But it was pretty funny...this is the type of BS that comedians create entire "politically correct" routines out of.

[BAZ]

Not being from the States myself I thought that someone from a different country starting and doing well in the NFL was a big deal. Finding out that he has lived there since he was 8 makes the point redundant & I think the commentators are just looking to give people nicknames. If I was Gado I would be chuffed being called the Nigerian Nightmre.

[Boston Cowboy]

Maybe we can trade JJ for Gado??

For the love of football, stop with all of these comparisons to players from other teams! We have a team that is in pretty good shape to make the playoffs, yet everyone is clamoring about the demise of our team! Do you think Gado is really better than JJ? Lets see how he does next year when there are higher expectations. Sure, JJ hasn't played as well as everyone, including him, had thought he would. Is it the increased bulk on the small frame? Maybe. Is it the coaching (the way JJ now carries the ball as if he is covering a baby from a burning building, the lack of cuts and jukes)? Maybe. Is it the offensive line? Maybe. Most likely, it's a combination of all of these.

But we have a great combo at the RB position. Good enough that Parcells decided that we didn't need a former rookie of the year as insurance.

[jem88]

hmmmm....after reading through 4 pages of overly sensitive BS, I'm rating this one of the dumbest arguments I've seen between adults in a long while.

But it was pretty funny...this is the type of BS that comedians create entire "politically correct" routines out of. I fail to see where political correctness entered into the thread.