Charles Haley on DeWare, Canty, and Dat (See also Gryphon merged post #14)

[BlueStar22]

He preferenced it by saying that he think that the kid is special. He went on to say that he sees Ware thinking too much. He said that Ware is hesitating for a split second at the snap of the ball. Ware is too focused on the backfield and seeing if it's a run or pass. Haley said of himself, his agressiveness caused him to make a ton of mistakes but his athleticism allowed him to get back into the play, even making the play most of the time. He said once D-Ware gets his confidence level up and realizes that his athleticism gives him the ability to gamble more and still make plays, that's when we will see him become something special.


....Not his exact words, but it's pretty close.

[Maikeru-sama]

He preferenced it by saying that he think that the kid is special. He went on to say that he sees Ware thinking too much. He said that Ware is hesitating for a split second at the snap of the ball. Ware is too focused on the backfield and seeing if it's a run or pass. Haley said of himself, his agressiveness caused him to make a ton of mistakes but his athleticism allowed him to get back into the play, even making the play most of the time. He said once D-Ware gets his confidence level up and realizes that his athleticism gives him the ability to gamble more and still make plays, that's when we will see him become something special.


....Not his exact words, but it's pretty close.

Good post.

Again...the last thing Cowboys fans should be worried about is Demarcus Ware.

Im thinking he is way at the bottom of the list of our concerns. Heck rookies are actually playing and making plays, something that is new to the Cowboys in recent years.

Merriman is making plays because he has an innovative Defensive Coordinator who moves him around and that DT he plays next, Castillo or whatever, that guys is a beast and certainly has to help Merriman out.

[parchy]

I think this is Parcells' doing. He has his guys thinking too much, trying to force them into not making any mistakes instead of just playing with their god-given talent.

[diehard2294]

He preferenced it by saying that he think that the kid is special. He went on to say that he sees Ware thinking too much. He said that Ware is hesitating for a split second at the snap of the ball. Ware is too focused on the backfield and seeing if it's a run or pass. Haley said of himself, his agressiveness caused him to make a ton of mistakes but his athleticism allowed him to get back into the play, even making the play most of the time. He said once D-Ware gets his confidence level up and realizes that his athleticism gives him the ability to gamble more and still make plays, that's when we will see him become something special.


....Not his exact words, but it's pretty close.thanks for posting,where did you here this from.

[Cbz40]

He preferenced it by saying that he think that the kid is special. He went on to say that he sees Ware thinking too much. He said that Ware is hesitating for a split second at the snap of the ball. Ware is too focused on the backfield and seeing if it's a run or pass. Haley said of himself, his agressiveness caused him to make a ton of mistakes but his athleticism allowed him to get back into the play, even making the play most of the time. He said once D-Ware gets his confidence level up and realizes that his athleticism gives him the ability to gamble more and still make plays, that's when we will see him become something special.

....Not his exact words, but it's pretty close.


Good stuff thanks for the post.


Excellent point.........confidence level, makes sense to me.

[BlueStar22]

thanks for posting,where did you here this from.
on the Monday Moose Call on ESPN 1033 this evening. Moose and one of the local guys do a show on Mondays. Moose usually has a guest and today it was Haley who of course still lives here.

[WoodysGirl]

I think this is Parcells' doing. He has his guys thinking too much, trying to force them into not making any mistakes instead of just playing with their god-given talent.I think most rookies have that problem. I don't think it's just a Parcell's effect. He went strictly on athleticism earlier in the year and several big runs were on his side. Now he's a lil more cautious before he commits and that lessens his effectiveness. Once he gets it, I think he'll be fine.

Remember Ross had god-given talent and gambled so much, he gambled himself out of the league and on to a new career in street sales.

[chinch]

I think this is Parcells' doing. He has his guys thinking too much, trying to force them into not making any mistakes instead of just playing with their god-given talent.
Yup. he's trying to coach them to reach their potential and have a great career.

Some you prefer the derek ross types who play streetball.

[parchy]

I think most rookies have that problem. I don't think it's just a Parcell's effect. He went strictly on athleticism earlier in the year and several big runs were on his side. Now he's a lil more cautious before he commits and that lessens his effectiveness. Once he gets it, I think he'll be fine.

Remember Ross had god-given talent and gambled so much, he gambled himself out of the league and on to a new career in street sales.

I wouldn't have said anything if it was just Ware. Roy Williams has had the same thing happen to him, as has Julius and when you think about it, just about every other 2nd and 3rd year player under BP.

[Clove]

Good post.

Again...the last thing Cowboys fans should be worried about is Demarcus Ware.

Im thinking he is way at the bottom of the list of our concerns. Heck rookies are actually playing and making plays, something that is new to the Cowboys in recent years.

Merriman is making plays because he has an innovative Defensive Coordinator who moves him around and that DT he plays next, Castillo or whatever, that guys is a beast and certainly has to help Merriman out.Merriman is bigger and stronger at this point. Wait until this offseason, and hopefully BP let's him just play and stop worrying about mess ups.

[CM Duck]

what Mr Haley said AND he probably "hit the rookie wall". Remember that he is from a small school that may not have played in that many bowl games. I am not sure of that, just throwing it against the wal to see if it sticks.

[ghst187]

I wouldn't have said anything if it was just Ware. Roy Williams has had the same thing happen to him, as has Julius and when you think about it, just about every other 2nd and 3rd year player under BP.

you're right on the money dude.
That's the most frustrating thing about it all.
Ever notice how many DE's we haven't been able to develop..? esp into effective pass rushers.
Even Greg Ellis, who's been good, can't get a double digit sack year.
Merriman, who's a rookie and missed a few games, has 9 or 10 already with two games to go. WHAT IS THAT?!?!?
that's freakin coaching.
Roy was a beast his first year. Go look at Calico's highlight reel of his first year. He was a monster. He had 80 something tackles or more, 5 interceptions (I said FIVE INTs, we don't have any CBs or FSs with 5 in a season in a LONG time!) several sacks, a lot of FF and a few FR. I know Woodson helped us a lot but c'mon, put your biggest playmaker in a position to make plays.
JJ was great last year, flat out sucks this year. Hopefully MBIII won't listen to the coaches.
I think Torrin Tucker is a coaching failure more than he is a playing failure. He's a GUARD people, not a tackle! BP forced the switch.
Ware looked better in preseason than he does now.
Why did it take Brady James 3 seasons to figure it out? Maybe the coaches could've done more. He was a great college player....hmmmm
I wouldn't be so suspicious except how obviously bad our coaching has been during games all year. Schemes incessantly suck and are flat out WRONG, adjustments either aren't made or are too late. Playcalling usually sucks.
And the cream of all this is my FIRM BELIEF THAT OTHER TEAMS ARE DOING MORE (I.E. WINNING) WITH MUCH LESS TALENT!!!!
Go down the roster of some of the teams we've lost to....starting with Wash.
Stack them up man vs man at their respective positions. You can't tell me we don't have more talent than a lot of teams. You also can't tell me that everyone else's OL is THAT much better than ours. Everyone else in the league has had serious injuries to their OL yet still put it together, figured it out, gameplanned to hide it, and gotten by. Here's a thought THE DA** SHOTGUN FORMATION, heard of it? HERE'S ANOTHER, short drops and quick passes ala WC. When playing against the CPU of 90's Madden games, the CPU makes better adjustments than we do about half the time.
The bottomline is that we're more talented than how we've played and there is nothing and no one that can be blamed except the coaches. IMO, the coaching staff needs more overhaul in the offseason than the player roster. I'm not saying BP needs to go or anything brash like that, but I do have piques in my yard for Zimmer and Sporano.

[Nors]

Ware needs an NFL offseason in weight room anad adapt to new position. Merriman was bigger, stronger, more used to position and ready to play day 1 in NFL. I was always adamaent on that at #11 wanting Merriman over Ware....

Ware has more upside as an edge rusher but gets chewed up by NFL TACKLES ONCE THEY GET INTO HIM.

I'm being patient - I'm GM we drafted Merriman/Spears....

And scurry like hell on how to get back up to draft Heath Miller or Odell Thurman....

[Gryphon]

Originally posted by midnightCow from another sports forum:

Former great Charles Haley was on the "Moose Call" with Daryl Johnston on 103.3 tonight. Charles explained what he thought about the Cowboys D line.

He said he was high on Demarcus Ware and Canty. But he said he thought they were playing like robots. At the snap, they were trying to read and react, instead of taking chances.

He said when Dat Nguyen was around, Dat would make sure everyone was in position. With the new 3-4 scheme and without Dat, the D line lost some of their comfort level.

Charles said when he was a player, he knew he would make mistakes. But he knew he had the athletic ability to recover. Charles said the Boys D line did not trust in their athleticism.

for more updates visit http://gryphononcowboys.blogspot.com/

THE GRYPHON

[Clove]

you're right on the money dude.
That's the most frustrating thing about it all.
Ever notice how many DE's we haven't been able to develop..? esp into effective pass rushers.
Even Greg Ellis, who's been good, can't get a double digit sack year.
Merriman, who's a rookie and missed a few games, has 9 or 10 already with two games to go. WHAT IS THAT?!?!?
that's freakin coaching.
Roy was a beast his first year. Go look at Calico's highlight reel of his first year. He was a monster. He had 80 something tackles or more, 5 interceptions (I said FIVE INTs, we don't have any CBs or FSs with 5 in a season in a LONG time!) several sacks, a lot of FF and a few FR. I know Woodson helped us a lot but c'mon, put your biggest playmaker in a position to make plays.
JJ was great last year, flat out sucks this year. Hopefully MBIII won't listen to the coaches.
I think Torrin Tucker is a coaching failure more than he is a playing failure. He's a GUARD people, not a tackle! BP forced the switch.
Ware looked better in preseason than he does now.
Why did it take Brady James 3 seasons to figure it out? Maybe the coaches could've done more. He was a great college player....hmmmm
I wouldn't be so suspicious except how obviously bad our coaching has been during games all year. Schemes incessantly suck and are flat out WRONG, adjustments either aren't made or are too late. Playcalling usually sucks.
And the cream of all this is my FIRM BELIEF THAT OTHER TEAMS ARE DOING MORE (I.E. WINNING) WITH MUCH LESS TALENT!!!!
Go down the roster of some of the teams we've lost to....starting with Wash.
Stack them up man vs man at their respective positions. You can't tell me we don't have more talent than a lot of teams. You also can't tell me that everyone else's OL is THAT much better than ours. Everyone else in the league has had serious injuries to their OL yet still put it together, figured it out, gameplanned to hide it, and gotten by. Here's a thought THE DA** SHOTGUN FORMATION, heard of it? HERE'S ANOTHER, short drops and quick passes ala WC. When playing against the CPU of 90's Madden games, the CPU makes better adjustments than we do about half the time.
The bottomline is that we're more talented than how we've played and there is nothing and no one that can be blamed except the coaches. IMO, the coaching staff needs more overhaul in the offseason than the player roster. I'm not saying BP needs to go or anything brash like that, but I do have piques in my yard for Zimmer and Sporano.Agree

[Dave_in-NC]

I wouldn't have said anything if it was just Ware. Roy Williams has had the same thing happen to him, as has Julius and when you think about it, just about every other 2nd and 3rd year player under BP.

Parcells is responsible for some stuff but do you really think he has told RW to tackle with his shoulder? Because thats Roys biggest problem, other than he isnt athletic enough to cover well. He either goes for the kill shot and misses or he goes in with his shoulder and who ever keeps running.

JJ is hurt (go figure) and he needs to hold on to the ball.

Newman struggled last season and is fine this season, its called learning the game in the pros.

What isnt Parcells fault with some of you guys?

[Clove]

Parcells is resposible for some stuff but do you really think he has told RW to tackle with his shoulder? Because thats Roys biggest problem, other than he isnt athletic enough to cover well. He either goes for the kill shot and misses or he goes in with his shoulder and who ever keeps running.Speaking or RW, (love the guy) I would consider making him lose 12 pounds and moving him back to FS where he was killing WR's in coverage, and use Berriult as SS.

[JPM]

What isnt Parcells fault with some of you guys?

Well, he is the reason for the high gas prices. Right ?

[Dave_in-NC]

Well, he is the reason for the high gas prices. Right ?

Ofcourse. :laugh1:

[WoodysGirl]

He said when Dat Nguyen was around, Dat would make sure everyone was in position. With the new 3-4 scheme and without Dat, the D line lost some of their comfort level.Yet another reason why Dat is missed...

[jcollins28]

Charles should just say the truth. The Boys should have drafted Merrimen. Period point blank!

[Nors]

We went on a defensive rampage for weeks after Dat was out early on....

This teams ills of late has nothing to do with Dat but moreso on oLine and offensive meltowns and secondary issues with Henry, Glenn injuries and safeties limitations....

Dats teams did what in his tenure? Exactly -

[Clove]

We went on a defensive rampage for weeks after Dat was out early on....

This teams ills of late has nothing to do with Dat but moreso on oLine and offensive meltowns and secondary issues with Henry, Glenn injuries and safeties limitations....

Dats teams did what in his tenure? Exactly -Glad Dats gone IMO - My suggestion, if we see another Merriman type in the draft, grab him and don't look back.

[Nors]

Agree with most but...

We went on a 4-6 week tear on D without Dat playing mid season.

[Cbz40]

Yet another reason why Dat is missed...

Exactly.....esp. by the young players.....

[BlueStar22]

Yet another reason why Dat is missed...
but he also said he knew Dat's days were numbered with the new scheme. Said no way Dat can handle 300 lb offensive lineman for 16 games.

[burmafrd]

Actually Dat was in during the critical plays up untill he was hurt- THAT is when the D started to go downhill. Morons like NORS can't admit it- BUT HALEY flat out says it. Moose as well. And they know a WHOLE LOT MORE THEN IDIOTS LIKE NORS.

[Chuck 54]

I think most rookies have that problem. I don't think it's just a Parcell's effect. He went strictly on athleticism earlier in the year and several big runs were on his side. Now he's a lil more cautious before he commits and that lessens his effectiveness. Once he gets it, I think he'll be fine.

Remember Ross had god-given talent and gambled so much, he gambled himself out of the league and on to a new career in street sales.
It's a little different when the guy you drafted to rush the QB gambles to get into the offensive backfield and when a CB gambles in the secondary.

[CrazyCowboy]

Great job on that recap.....thanks!

[alancdc]

Did anyone watch the SD/Indy game Sunday? The one thing that I noticed was that SD is using Merrimen ALL OVER THE FIELD. I agree with Haley. Ware is probably thinking too much. Merrimen was full blast 110% crazy up the field Sunday, and that is scheme, and using a players abilities to the fullest. I remember before the season that some people were saying that we should line Ware up in different spots to take advantage of his athleticism. Not ready to give up on Ware. Just wish we were as creative as SD in using him.

[Juke99]

Thanks on the recap...good stuff.

"Playing like robots"

Yep...Ware was better in the preseason than he is now because he was more instinctive...I'm sure he made a ton of mistakes....but he also made a ton of plays....I thought that was the idea behind running the 3-4...confuse the offense, create turn overs and a short field for our offense.

I truly think Parcells has these guys so worried about making mistakes, he just drains all the life out of them. I've been saying that for a while.

I've never seen a coach SO worried about his team making a mistake. Sure, every coach wants good execution but there has to be a balance.

[burmafrd]

terrifying your players into being robots and playing cautious hurts a lot more then an occasional mistake.

[joseephuss]

Did anyone watch the SD/Indy game Sunday? The one thing that I noticed was that SD is using Merrimen ALL OVER THE FIELD. I agree with Haley. Ware is probably thinking too much. Merrimen was full blast 110% crazy up the field Sunday, and that is scheme, and using a players abilities to the fullest. I remember before the season that some people were saying that we should line Ware up in different spots to take advantage of his athleticism. Not ready to give up on Ware. Just wish we were as creative as SD in using him.

If Ware is thinking too much, then putting him all over the field may lead to more thinking and less playing. Different positions on the field leads to more mental mistakes. I actually have been seeing him line up in different spots. He is being moved around. Probably not as much as Merriman, but he is moved around.

One of the reasons he isn't moved as much as Merriman is because he doesn't have the same supporting cast at the linebacker position. Foley is a heck of a pass rusher for the Chargers. He was all over Peyton Manning in last season's game. With he and Merriman on the field at the same time,the Chargers can do several things the Cowboys can't because they don't have another linebacker of Foley's quality.

[joseephuss]

Good post.

Again...the last thing Cowboys fans should be worried about is Demarcus Ware.

Im thinking he is way at the bottom of the list of our concerns. Heck rookies are actually playing and making plays, something that is new to the Cowboys in recent years.

Merriman is making plays because he has an innovative Defensive Coordinator who moves him around and that DT he plays next, Castillo or whatever, that guys is a beast and certainly has to help Merriman out.

Of course he is a beast, he is on steroids.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Charles should just say the truth. The Boys should have drafted Merrimen. Period point blank!


I have NEVER known Haley to not tell the truth...heck that was part of his problem in the NFL he was considered a bit of a nutcase because he was so outspoken.

[SultanOfSix]

We went on a defensive rampage for weeks after Dat was out early on....

This teams ills of late has nothing to do with Dat but moreso on oLine and offensive meltowns and secondary issues with Henry, Glenn injuries and safeties limitations....

Dats teams did what in his tenure? Exactly -

Seriously Nors, pleast just shut up. I mean your agenda against Dat is really getting pathetic.

Dat was a player. I'm tired of you trying to minimize what he meant to the team.

[wileedog]

Thanks on the recap...good stuff.

"Playing like robots"

Yep...Ware was better in the preseason than he is now because he was more instinctive...I'm sure he made a ton of mistakes....but he also made a ton of plays....I thought that was the idea behind running the 3-4...confuse the offense, create turn overs and a short field for our offense.

I truly think Parcells has these guys so worried about making mistakes, he just drains all the life out of them. I've been saying that for a while.

I've never seen a coach SO worried about his team making a mistake. Sure, every coach wants good execution but there has to be a balance.

Yes because Marty Schottenheimer is known for his "warm & fuzzy" approach to players.

Please.

[Nors]

Seriously Nors, pleast just shut up. I mean your agenda against Dat is really getting pathetic.

Dat was a player. I'm tired of you trying to minimize what he meant to the team.

No I won't, he was good player who played on a lot of sub average teams. He's not started for 3 months. Mystically now its not "lost" cuz he's out.

[joseephuss]

No I won't, he was good player who played on a lot of sub average teams. He's not started for 3 months. Mystically now its not "lost" cuz he's out.

His replacement is playing very poorly right now. Dat is better than Shanle. That much is obvious. This team needs better than Dat at that interior linebacker position. Shanle and Fowler are back ups. This team needs a better than average starter.

[SultanOfSix]

No I won't, he was good player who played on a lot of sub average teams. He's not started for 3 months. Mystically now its not "lost" cuz he's out.

And yet we've got progressively worse on D with both him and Singleton out. "Mystically", that's supposedly not the case. Losing a defensive team captain wouldn't have an affect on any team. ;)

Don't you know how stupid you look by reiterating this point over and over again? Not only are you contradicting your positive stance on BP by implicitly denying his decision to start both of them, you've invented myths that say BP and Dat had a falling out and that's why he's been progressively taken out of the lineup.

You're becoming a laughing stock more and more everyday.

[burmafrd]

everyone laughs at NORS - that is what he is for. He is trying to say that DAT has not been starting for 3 months- the idiot cannot even tell time or count. For those that use to use the ESPN board, he reminds me of sportsexpert.

[joseephuss]

And yet we've got progressively worse on D with both him and Singleton out. "Mystically", that's supposedly not the case. Losing a defensive team captain wouldn't have an affect on any team. ;)

Don't you know how stupid you look by reiterating this point over and over again? Not only are you contradicting your positive stance on BP by implicitly denying his decision to start both of them, you've invented myths that say BP and Dat had a falling out and that's why he's been progressively taken out of the lineup.

You're becoming a laughing stock more and more everyday.

At one time he said that the defense got better because Dat was hurt. It wasn't because they had a little time to play together and start gelling as a whole. It was specifically because Dat was out. That was the coorelation he tried to prove over and over. Quite comical.

[jimmy40]

At one time he said that the defense got better because Dat was hurt. It wasn't because they had a little time to play together and start gelling as a whole. It was specifically because Dat was out. That was the coorelation he tried to prove over and over. Quite comical.So they started playing better because they had time to gel but now that they've had even MORE time to gel they're playing worse?

[SultanOfSix]

Sometimes Nors offers some insight, when he isn't blinded by his agenda or isn't focused on telling all that he was right as if that was the end goal. That's why I haven't put him on my ignore list as of yet. But, this agenda driven nonsense that he keeps broaching, even in threads unrelated to his agenda (this doesn't happen to be one), has got to stop. It just makes him look foolish.

[iceberg]

Thanks on the recap...good stuff.

"Playing like robots"

Yep...Ware was better in the preseason than he is now because he was more instinctive...I'm sure he made a ton of mistakes....but he also made a ton of plays....I thought that was the idea behind running the 3-4...confuse the offense, create turn overs and a short field for our offense.

I truly think Parcells has these guys so worried about making mistakes, he just drains all the life out of them. I've been saying that for a while.

I've never seen a coach SO worried about his team making a mistake. Sure, every coach wants good execution but there has to be a balance.

you make a lot more sense when i've not been drinking juke. coincidence? : )

what i really CAN NOT STAND and is likely to make me smart off and get in trouble the fastest are the fans that come in and GAME BY GAME - BLOW BY BLOW analyze every move as if it were the defining move of the career.

i'm glad merriman is having a great year. he was projected to, wasn't he? but to sign him would run the risk of a comedy of errors w/agents and we'd wind up on some bang cartoon with merriman hurt in some tragic stip poker incident. well, maybe not - but the postons would make me take pause also.

ware started off so damn well by 1/3 of the way through the season ROOKIE OF THE YEAR was shouted out. well, by those fans who must analyze every move as if the last. the ware slows down and merriman picks up and OH MY GOD THEIR FIRST YEAR ISN'T OVER BUT LORD DID WE SCREW UP.

in a few weeks he could well be back into ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!!

i realize it's fun to gauge progress - we all do it. but to take a bad day after 3 good ones and cry out to the lords of cowboy football and bemoan yet again another bad decision is just a tad melodramatic, i would think.

players have careers that are looked back on for a reason. i'm already pretty open about how i see things long term and day to day is just a small measure overall - so maybe that's why the "chicken littles" irk me so. give 'em a good day they're happy for a week. get a bad one they're unhappy for a week. it's like pavlovs dogs of football and you just know what respone you'll get based on a single play or two.

ware will be fine. this whole team went sideways at 7-3 when someone dared to mention superbowl contenders. melodrama? the sky is flying? but at 8-6 all of a sudden our rookie draft pick was such a mistake.

let's wait and see how the career unfolds, not the day. then we'll know who got the better deal

[jimmy40]

you make a lot more sense when i've not been drinking juke. coincidence? : )

what i really CAN NOT STAND and is likely to make me smart off and get in trouble the fastest are the fans that come in and GAME BY GAME - BLOW BY BLOW analyze every move as if it were the defining move of the career.

i'm glad merriman is having a great year. he was projected to, wasn't he? but to sign him would run the risk of a comedy of errors w/agents and we'd wind up on some bang cartoon with merriman hurt in some tragic stip poker incident. well, maybe not - but the postons would make me take pause also.

ware started off so damn well by 1/3 of the way through the season ROOKIE OF THE YEAR was shouted out. well, by those fans who must analyze every move as if the last. the ware slows down and merriman picks up and OH MY GOD THEIR FIRST YEAR ISN'T OVER BUT LORD DID WE SCREW UP.

in a few weeks he could well be back into ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!!

i realize it's fun to gauge progress - we all do it. but to take a bad day after 3 good ones and cry out to the lords of cowboy football and bemoan yet again another bad decision is just a tad melodramatic, i would think.

players have careers that are looked back on for a reason. i'm already pretty open about how i see things long term and day to day is just a small measure overall - so maybe that's why the "chicken littles" irk me so. give 'em a good day they're happy for a week. get a bad one they're unhappy for a week. it's like pavlovs dogs of football and you just know what respone you'll get based on a single play or two.

ware will be fine. this whole team went sideways at 7-3 when someone dared to mention superbowl contenders. melodrama? the sky is flying? but at 8-6 all of a sudden our rookie draft pick was such a mistake.

let's wait and see how the career unfolds, not the day. then we'll know who got the better deal
The question I have is why wouldn't you take the player that's the best NOW, when your trying to win NOW?

[iceberg]

The question I have is why wouldn't you take the player that's the best NOW, when your trying to win NOW?

whoah - that's a TOTAL PARTY FOUL to ask me to even ATTEMPT to explain parcells logic. close as i can tell parcells didn't want to deal with the postons, not "plan for the future". that was probably a side effect he couldn't control to get the main goal of not dealing with the postons and by accident, parcells made a move for the future. : )

seriously, i do think he wanted to avoid the postons as a primary motivation, but again, this is parcells and who knows. he even chances his stance to fit the weather, so don't look to me to predict anything.

[silver]

I'm Ok with Ware. He has more athletic ability that Merriman. In addition he plays the weakside wich is more difficult to find. Merriman plays the strongside. In time both may prove to be excellent picks. So Merriman had a good game and was in the national spotlight because the beat Indy. So what. Nobody is inducting him in the HOF just yet. and last time i checked the super bowl hadn't been decided. All this knee jerk reactions are killing me.

[danzig]

I feel part of the difference between Ware and Merriman is the play of the respected D lines. San Diego is getting a better push up the middle than Dallas is. This forces teams O lines to concentrate on Blocking the middle thus allowing Merriman easier shots at the QB. When Playing Dallas teams Olines our Doubling on the outside and we still arent getting much of a push inside.Also if im not mistaken, this is San Diego's 2nd year running the 3-4 .Their players have had more time in the system. You cant always just look at the idividual stats and expect it to tell the whole story.

[jimmy40]

whoah - that's a TOTAL PARTY FOUL to ask me to even ATTEMPT to explain parcells logic. close as i can tell parcells didn't want to deal with the postons, not "plan for the future". that was probably a side effect he couldn't control to get the main goal of not dealing with the postons and by accident, parcells made a move for the future. : )

seriously, i do think he wanted to avoid the postons as a primary motivation, but again, this is parcells and who knows. he even chances his stance to fit the weather, so don't look to me to predict anything.Sorry Ice, I've asked the same question several times. I know there is no logical answer except maybe the Poston angle.
The stupidest thing Parcells has done here is compare Ware to LT. Coming out of college LT was a 100%, absolute, no doubt about it can't miss terror on defense. Ware was a 100% question mark coming from Troy.

[jimmy40]

I feel part of the difference between Ware and Merriman is the play of the respected D lines. San Diego is getting a better push up the middle than Dallas is. This forces teams O lines to concentrate on Blocking the middle thus allowing Merriman easier shots at the QB. When Playing Dallas teams Olines our Doubling on the outside and we still arent getting much of a push inside.Also if im not mistaken, this is San Diego's 2nd year running the 3-4 .Their players have had more time in the system. You cant always just look at the idividual stats and expect it to tell the whole story.
Nobody is doubling Ware. Nobody. That's what's so disappointing for me. Ware was supposed to be this pass rush specialist but LTs are flat out owning him by themselves. I hear people talking about all these qb pressures, but hell, when a LT takes four steps into the backfield and waits for Ware to run into their chest I guess that would be a pressure.

[Chocolate Lab]

Parcells and this team may do some things that make me worry and scratch my head, but taking Ware over Merriman is definitely not one of them. Didn't anyone read what Haley had to say? Merriman gets to attack and use his instincts, while Ware is having to first think, then read, then react, etc. Those fractions of seconds make all the difference.

Plus, as Parcells has said 100 times, Ware is undergoing a big position change. Merriman isn't.

Really, who cares if Merriman is better than Ware four months into their careers. I'll take Ware's long-term future anytime. He's a better kid, a better athlete IMO, and Lavar Arrington isn't his idol. :rolleyes:

[joseephuss]

Sorry Ice, I've asked the same question several times. I know there is no logical answer except maybe the Poston angle.
The stupidest thing Parcells has done here is compare Ware to LT. Coming out of college LT was a 100%, absolute, no doubt about it can't miss terror on defense. Ware was a 100% question mark coming from Troy.

That is not true. Sure, there was some question marks, but there was also many who believed he would make a good pro. San Diego would have taken him if Dallas took Merriman. If you said he had less question marks than Merriman, I could buy that arguement. I don't buy that he was a 100% question mark at all.

All guys have question marks. Merriman apparantly had his, too. At least for Dallas. Maybe he won't have the off field problems that some predict and maybe he will. He is a very good player. The Chargers were willing to take a chance with him and Castillo. They were hammered for taking the steroid user Castillo.

In the end, Ware may never be as good as Merriman. It is too late now to worry about that. I think Ware can still be a major contributor to Dallas' defense. I have seen him improve this season. I expect and hope him to improve and play very well next season.

[iceberg]

Sorry Ice, I've asked the same question several times. I know there is no logical answer except maybe the Poston angle.
The stupidest thing Parcells has done here is compare Ware to LT. Coming out of college LT was a 100%, absolute, no doubt about it can't miss terror on defense. Ware was a 100% question mark coming from Troy.

heh, he's done stupider. is that a word?

[Hostile]

I feel part of the difference between Ware and Merriman is the play of the respected D lines. San Diego is getting a better push up the middle than Dallas is. This forces teams O lines to concentrate on Blocking the middle thus allowing Merriman easier shots at the QB. When Playing Dallas teams Olines our Doubling on the outside and we still arent getting much of a push inside.Also if im not mistaken, this is San Diego's 2nd year running the 3-4 .Their players have had more time in the system. You cant always just look at the idividual stats and expect it to tell the whole story.There is quite a bit of truth in this. Pressure up the middle collapses the pocket and makes the QB take more time to set up giving the pass rush more time to capture him.

[L-O-Jete]

terrifying your players into being robots and playing cautious hurts a lot more then an occasional mistake.

When you lose they are terrified cautious robots, when you win they are a well oiled executing machine... Name your top 5 head coaches all time and tell me, were (or are) they disciplinarian perfectionist who care for fundamentals or are they Gung-ho lets go out there and just play types?

[joseephuss]

There is quite a bit of truth in this. Pressure up the middle collapses the pocket and makes the QB take more time to set up giving the pass rush more time to capture him.

Yep. Jamal Williams is a load in the middle. Ferguson is good for the Cowboys. He can hold the middle, but Williams can actually get a push up field.

[burmafrd]

I have been saying that this team is terrified of making mistakes for while now- the young guys- not the vets- and that is what is hurting us in part.

[Hiero]

Another year of experience should do wonders for our defense. Offense on the other hand is slowly deteriorating so we need to add a lot of youth. I thinki f parcells does this draft we will be real contenders next year.

[Hiero]

I feel part of the difference between Ware and Merriman is the play of the respected D lines. San Diego is getting a better push up the middle than Dallas is. This forces teams O lines to concentrate on Blocking the middle thus allowing Merriman easier shots at the QB. When Playing Dallas teams Olines our Doubling on the outside and we still arent getting much of a push inside.Also if im not mistaken, this is San Diego's 2nd year running the 3-4 .Their players have had more time in the system. You cant always just look at the idividual stats and expect it to tell the whole story.
i agree. Castillo and Williams are both beasts on the Dline. Spears is unfortunately/fortunately exactly what i thought he would be when we got him. a solid big guy, but wont dominate or get a lot of push. Either way it would be damn nice to have a real dominant guy in the middle like Jamal. Would be a huge help to our lb corps.

we also need to start mixing it up more. How many times can ware do the exact same play? if the team knows exactly where he is coming from all teh LT has to do is stand there and fight with him. No stunts, no blitzing, not enough creativity from the defense just the same old thing everytime and I think that is really killing us.

[Hiero]

Good post.

Again...the last thing Cowboys fans should be worried about is Demarcus Ware.

Im thinking he is way at the bottom of the list of our concerns. Heck rookies are actually playing and making plays, something that is new to the Cowboys in recent years.

Merriman is making plays because he has an innovative Defensive Coordinator who moves him around and that DT he plays next, Castillo or whatever, that guys is a beast and certainly has to help Merriman out.
ever notice Merriman actually gets to move around in motion etc? Ware just stands there it seems, while Merriman has free reign to create Havoc, Ware is stuck in read and react run stopping... If we had been using Ware like SD is using Merriman, Ware's stats would be much better than they are.

[junk]

Ware needs an NFL offseason in weight room anad adapt to new position. Merriman was bigger, stronger, more used to position and ready to play day 1 in NFL. I was always adamaent on that at #11 wanting Merriman over Ware....

Ware has more upside as an edge rusher but gets chewed up by NFL TACKLES ONCE THEY GET INTO HIM.

I'm being patient - I'm GM we drafted Merriman/Spears....

And scurry like hell on how to get back up to draft Heath Miller or Odell Thurman....

Could have had Odell Thurman....he went after Burnett.

Of course, he has already gotten himself a benching for disiplinary issues. Do you only want low character guys if they are guys you like?

[AbeBeta]

ever notice Merriman actually gets to move around in motion etc? Ware just stands there it seems, while Merriman has free reign to create Havoc, Ware is stuck in read and react run stopping... If we had been using Ware like SD is using Merriman, Ware's stats would be much better than they are.

Yeah but Ware is making a much bigger jump from playing against guys who go to Cal Poly and use football to pay for their schooling to the pros. Merriman played a schedule packed with top 25 teams.

Ware is behind Merriman development-wise. That is exactly what everyone should have expected. Merriman is able to move around etc. because he's more comfortable right now -- because he has a more pro-ready background. That doesn't mean that Ware isn't going to get there. He certainly has shown flashes -- just not the gaudy, dominating game that Merriman had last week.

[Clove]

Yeah but Ware is making a much bigger jump from playing against guys who go to Cal Poly and use football to pay for their schooling to the pros. Merriman played a schedule packed with top 25 teams.

Ware is behind Merriman development-wise. That is exactly what everyone should have expected. Merriman is able to move around etc. because he's more comfortable right now -- because he has a more pro-ready background. That doesn't mean that Ware isn't going to get there. He certainly has shown flashes -- just not the gaudy, dominating game that Merriman had last week.I hope you're right, cause from what I've been seeing of Merriman, he's a complete future Super Star

[RCowboyFan]

Sorry Ice, I've asked the same question several times. I know there is no logical answer except maybe the Poston angle.
The stupidest thing Parcells has done here is compare Ware to LT. Coming out of college LT was a 100%, absolute, no doubt about it can't miss terror on defense. Ware was a 100% question mark coming from Troy.


Here is a good reason that nobody seems to make. Ware, is a DE in 4-3 and seems to hold up the point of attack pretty well against OT's almost 100 Lbs more than him.

The original draft plan, was that they were going to get guys who could play both 3-4 and 4-3. Ware can be a DE in 4-3 and LB in 3-4. LB part he is still learning. But if he is switched to DE, I bet he creates havoc.

Thats the big difference between Merriman and Ware. And don't be fooled by Merriman's highlights. He is not as strong at the point of attack as Ware has been. I have seen him blocked easily by a RB or fullback, just by standing him up. I have rarely seen Ware blocked like that.

Sure Merriman is more prepared to play this year. But questionable characters always show up in future. Just like Odel Thurman, for all the great plays he has shown on the field, he has also shown why people stayed away from him. Hasn't NE provided enough example of Character and then Talent? It might not show up immediately and NE didn't win SB with their rookies either. It will take time.

[kingwhicker]

Ware needs an NFL offseason in weight room anad adapt to new position. Merriman was bigger, stronger, more used to position and ready to play day 1 in NFL. I was always adamaent on that at #11 wanting Merriman over Ware....

Ware has more upside as an edge rusher but gets chewed up by NFL TACKLES ONCE THEY GET INTO HIM.

I'm being patient - I'm GM we drafted Merriman/Spears....

And scurry like hell on how to get back up to draft Heath Miller or Odell Thurman....

Yeah, well I was ridiculed right after the pick for voicing my displeasure at taking Ware over Merriman, so join the club.

[tyke1doe]

Here is a good reason that nobody seems to make. Ware, is a DE in 4-3 and seems to hold up the point of attack pretty well against OT's almost 100 Lbs more than him.

The original draft plan, was that they were going to get guys who could play both 3-4 and 4-3. Ware can be a DE in 4-3 and LB in 3-4. LB part he is still learning. But if he is switched to DE, I bet he creates havoc.

Thats the big difference between Merriman and Ware. And don't be fooled by Merriman's highlights. He is not as strong at the point of attack as Ware has been. I have seen him blocked easily by a RB or fullback, just by standing him up. I have rarely seen Ware blocked like that.

Sure Merriman is more prepared to play this year. But questionable characters always show up in future. Just like Odel Thurman, for all the great plays he has shown on the field, he has also shown why people stayed away from him. Hasn't NE provided enough example of Character and then Talent? It might not show up immediately and NE didn't win SB with their rookies either. It will take time.

Boy, it's refreshing to find posters who have a clue, perspective and an eye on the big picture.