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[Jay9508]

NFC LEADING VOTE-GETTERS
Pos.Name, TeamVotesPos.Name, TeamVotes

QBEli Manning, Giants667,608
DEMichael Strahan, Giants348,765
RBShaun Alexander, Seahawks1,110,575
ILRod Coleman, Falcons307,839
FBChris Cooley, Redskins422,314
OLBDemorrio Williams, Falcons244,419
WRSteve Smith, Panthers752,723
ILBBrian Urlacher, Bears420,983
TEJeremy Shockey, Giants872,102
CBDeAngelo Hall, Falcons287,958
TOrlando Pace, Rams185,095
SSRoy Williams, Cowboys216,180
GLarry Allen, Cowboys248,561
FSBrian Dawkins, Eagles193,166
COlin Kreutz, Bears207,047
PJosh Bidwell, Buccaneers236,305
KNeil Rackers, Cardinals533,004
STBrendon Ayanbadejo, Bears91,303
KRWillie Ponder, Giants182,228

[Chuck 54]

Okay..........

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

lmao...Brian Dawkins over Darren Sharper? I cant wait until this guy retires...Eagle fans just overlaod the votes.

[TheHustler]

Eli I cant complete more than 50% of my passes Manning?

Laughable.

[TonyS]

Larry Allen and Roy Williams...what a joke! Talk about past reputation getting you in.

[RCowboyFan]

Since fan voting accounts only for 1/3 of the vote, I doubt all the guys listed in here will make the actual Pro-bowl. Too many people here think just because they got most fan voting they will be in pro-bowl.

So lets wait till tomorrow for the actual pro-bowl roster.

[AdamJT13]

Larry Allen and Roy Williams...what a joke! Talk about past reputation getting you in.

Sorry, but Roy is having the best season of any strong safety in the NFC. He has more big plays than any of them, and he is making them all over the field. Roy is the only defensive back in the past four years to have at least 2.5 sacks, two interceptions and three forced fumbles for turnovers, and he's the first defensive back in at least five years to have all of those plus a defensive touchdown and a fumble recovery.

Roy's biggest competition for the strong safety spot comes from Mike Brown and Michael Lewis. If you add up all of Roy's big plays (sacks, interceptions, forced fumbles for turnovers, fumble recoveries and touchdowns), he has more of them than Brown and Lewis COMBINED (9.5 to 9.0). If Roy doesn't make the Pro Bowl, THAT will be a joke.

[TonyS]

My bad Roy....you definitely deserve the Pro Bowl. I wonder how he compares to those guys with giving up big plays?

[conner01]

why would'nt you think roy is deserving? he is having a good year.

[AdamJT13]

My bad Roy....you definitely deserve the Pro Bowl. I wonder how he compares to those guys with giving up big plays?

Roy hasn't given up many big plays -- Shockey's tying TD, mostly. He just gets blamed whenever someone else gets burned.

[AbeBeta]

Roy has played very well -- Doesn't anyone remember Philly or Denver? Wasn't that long ago folks. What do you expect? Guess what SS's aren't great cover guys. That's why they play the strong side.

Larry Allen begs the question. How many years can you get in on reputation? What is this 5 undeserved ones now?

[Nors]

Yeagh -

Never the safeties fault on deep coverage. LOL
Roy's range and pass recognition skills are average at best.

[RCowboyFan]

Roy hasn't given up many big plays -- Shockey's tying TD, mostly. He just gets blamed whenever someone else gets burned.

Yes, for both the Cowboys Fans, and Analysts, its a favorite theme to bash Roy on a failed play. Its like no other FS/SS gives up a play or two, including the now favorite Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu and Colts SS.

Roy makes his set of mistakes but thats not unlike any other Star Player in NFL.

[Aikmaniac]

Yeagh -

Never the safeties fault on deep coverage. LOL
Roy's range and pass recognition skills are average at best.


You're right...I believe Tony Dixon is still available. He was a ball hawk, let's get that beast back there and try him at SS where he can shutdown everything 3 yards and further from the LOS.

[demdcowboys#1]

Everyone bashes on Roy and its mainly because of 2 things............The moss td's on Monday night. Noone else looks at what he's done all season, Roy is playing very well this year, and he deserves to be in th pro bowl!!! Look at the NYG game(1st one) He forced the fumble at the 1 yard line, eventually we won the game by 3. Look at the SEA game, he intercepted the ball in SEA territory, led to a measly FG, but we still got on he board and took the lead!!! Roy has made plays, and you cant bash on him, saying he cant cover b/c of 2 plays in week 2.
That is why i think ppl say he cant cover!!!!
Everyone gives up big plays now and then, you cant sit here and tell me that pro bowl DB's havent gotten burned. The best DB's give up big plays now and then, so dont JUST say Roy does!!

[jay cee]

Roy hasn't given up many big plays -- Shockey's tying TD, mostly. He just gets blamed whenever someone else gets burned.
Thank you Adam, I was wondering if I was the only one to take notice of that fact.

[jimmy40]

Roy hasn't given up many big plays -- Shockey's tying TD, mostly. He just gets blamed whenever someone else gets burned.Hell he got burned in the Washington game or was that someone else's fault too?

[jimmy40]

Larry Allen and Roy Williams...what a joke! Talk about past reputation getting you in.No kidding.

[jimmy40]

Yes, for both the Cowboys Fans, and Analysts, its a favorite theme to bash Roy on a failed play. Its like no other FS/SS gives up a play or two, including the now favorite Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu and Colts SS.

Roy makes his set of mistakes but thats not unlike any other Star Player in NFL.Comes with the territory. He gets WAY to much hype.

[AtlCB]

I'm surprised that DeAngelo Hall is leading at CB. He has had some great games and has some interceptions, but he also has gotten torched repeatedly in a lot of other games this season. He is a good CB, but he is far from being the best in the NFC.

Eli Manning leading the voting is an absolute joke!

[AdamJT13]

____ he got burned in the Washington game or was that someone else's fault too?

Those were Aaron Glenn's fault, not Roy's. Like I said, some people blame Roy when someone else gets burned.

[jimmy40]

I'm surprised that DeAngelo Hall is leading at CB. He has had some great games and has some interceptions, but he also has gotten torched repeatedly in a lot of other games this season. He is a good CB, but he is far from being the best in the NFC.

Eli Manning leading the voting is an absolute joke!The Pro Bowl itself is an absolute joke. Hell, bring back the College All Star game.

[jimmy40]

Those were Aaron Glenn's fault, not Roy's. Like I said, some people blame Roy when someone else gets burned.Aaron Gleen was supposed to cover the tight end? Bull****.

[AdamJT13]

I'm surprised that DeAngelo Hall is leading at CB. He has had some great games and has some interceptions, but he also has gotten torched repeatedly in a lot of other games this season. He is a good CB, but he is far from being the best in the NFC.

Don't forget that when people go to vote online, it lists the conerbacks' interceptions right next to their name. So a lot of people pick the guys with the most interceptions.

Not to mention that Hall might be the biggest self-promoter in the NFL and has a coach who promotes his players, as well.

[Clove]

Has anyone scored or made a big play on Newman all year long?

[AdamJT13]

Aaron Gleen was supposed to cover the tight end?

I thought you were talking about the first Redskins game. And no, Roy didn't allow any completions this week, let alone a touchdown. Cooley's three touchdowns came against Ware, Barrow and Fujita.

[AdamJT13]

Has anyone scored or made a big play on Newman all year long?

Nope. Nobody has gotten closer than the 13-yard line against him, and the longest catch he has allowed is 23 yards (on a short catch-and-run). He's allowing 2.0 catches for 22.0 yards per game.

[jimmy40]

Don't forget that when people go to vote online, it lists the conerbacks' interceptions right next to their name. So a lot of people pick the guys with the most interceptions.

Not to mention that Hall might be the biggest self-promoter in the NFL and has a coach who promotes his players, as well.AdamJT13 saying not to just look at stats? Amazing.

[Clove]

Nope. Nobody has gotten closer than the 13-yard line against him, and the longest catch he has allowed is 23 yards (on a short catch-and-run). He's allowing 2.0 catches for 22.0 yards per game.Sounds like a Pro Bowler to me.

[AtlCB]

Eli I cant complete more than 50% of my passes Manning?

Laughable.

Eli Manning ranks 10th in the NFC in QB rating and 22nd in the NFL. Seasquawks fans have got to be mad about this one. Hasselbeck has a QB rating over 20 points higher than Manning's.

:lmao2:

[AtlCB]

AdamJT13 saying not to just look at stats? Amazing.AdamJT13 is saying do not look at only interceptions, but also look at the receptions and yards that a wide receiver gives up.

[AdamJT13]

AdamJT13 saying not to just look at stats? Amazing.

I'm saying to look at more than interceptions for cornerbacks. Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't keep official stats for what cornerbacks allow. If a cornerback gambles a lot and gets eight interceptions but allows 1,500 yards and 12 touchdowns, I wouldn't even want him on my team, let alone put him in the Pro Bowl. But a lot of voters would pick him because of the eight interceptions, with no way of knowing about the 1,500 yards and 12 touchdowns he has allowed.

[superpunk]

I'm saying to look at more than interceptions for cornerbacks. Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't keep official stats for what cornerbacks allow. If a cornerback gambles a lot and gets eight interceptions but allows 1,500 yards and 12 touchdowns, I wouldn't even want him on my team, let alone put him in the Pro Bowl. But a lot of voters would pick him because of the eight interceptions, with no way of knowing about the 1,500 yards and 12 touchdowns he has allowed.

So there's no way of comparing Newman's 2 catches for 22 yards average against other top corners? I'd be interested in seeing that - and the actual completion pct. on newman.

[Clove]

Newman has a little of the Deon factor. No one throws his way, because the receiver is covered.

[AdamJT13]

So there's no way of comparing Newman's 2 catches for 22 yards average against other top corners? I'd be interested in seeing that - and the actual completion pct. on newman.

Newman has allowed a 44.4-percent completion rate. At some point, I'll break that down by the length of attempt. The majority of the completions he has allowed were thrown less than 10 yards downfield.

And the only place where we might get a comparison against other corners is from KC Joyner, an ESPN Insider columnist. He tracks that kind of thing, among other stuff, but his numbers aren't always perfectly accurate. They give you a pretty good idea, though.

[Future]

God I Hate Eli!!!

[JBRockBottom31]

God I Hate Eli!!!

ME TOO :bang2:

[demdcowboys#1]

God I Hate Eli!!!

The media f' in loves him:eek:

[C-BoysFaninMIA]

Sorry, but Roy is having the best season of any strong safety in the NFC. He has more big plays than any of them, and he is making them all over the field. Roy is the only defensive back in the past four years to have at least 2.5 sacks, two interceptions and three forced fumbles for turnovers, and he's the first defensive back in at least five years to have all of those plus a defensive touchdown and a fumble recovery.

Roy's biggest competition for the strong safety spot comes from Mike Brown and Michael Lewis. If you add up all of Roy's big plays (sacks, interceptions, forced fumbles for turnovers, fumble recoveries and touchdowns), he has more of them than Brown and Lewis COMBINED (9.5 to 9.0). If Roy doesn't make the Pro Bowl, THAT will be a joke.
thank u!! at leats someone knows

[TheEnigma]

AdamJT13 saying not to just look at stats? Amazing.

Amazingly, he is looking at the games in order to get those stats. So in essence, he is looking at more than just stats.

[Future]

The media f' in loves him:eek:

its a shame i want to study broadcasting....

[Yakuza Rich]

Newman has allowed a 44.4-percent completion rate. At some point, I'll break that down by the length of attempt. The majority of the completions he has allowed were thrown less than 10 yards downfield.

And the only place where we might get a comparison against other corners is from KC Joyner, an ESPN Insider columnist. He tracks that kind of thing, among other stuff, but his numbers aren't always perfectly accurate. They give you a pretty good idea, though.

I was emailing KC about a week or so ago about Newman. He hasn't seen every game yet. He's seen about 7-8 games of every team so far. He also hasn't put together his statistics in full blown mode yet.

He said from first glance it appears that Newman is a legit pro bowl candidate. But he seemed higher on Rashean Mathis (this was before the second Indy game) and Deltha O'Neal.

Rich..........

[Yakuza Rich]

Sorry, but Roy is having the best season of any strong safety in the NFC. He has more big plays than any of them, and he is making them all over the field. Roy is the only defensive back in the past four years to have at least 2.5 sacks, two interceptions and three forced fumbles for turnovers, and he's the first defensive back in at least five years to have all of those plus a defensive touchdown and a fumble recovery.

Roy's biggest competition for the strong safety spot comes from Mike Brown and Michael Lewis. If you add up all of Roy's big plays (sacks, interceptions, forced fumbles for turnovers, fumble recoveries and touchdowns), he has more of them than Brown and Lewis COMBINED (9.5 to 9.0). If Roy doesn't make the Pro Bowl, THAT will be a joke.

Not only that but Brown plays a lot of free safety, regardless of what the official depth chart says. You could also look at tackles for a loss and tackles as well.

Rich.......

[alancdc]

I think that before Henry got hurt that he was deserving. I also think, after all my ranting about Carloina, Ken Lucas might be playing better at corner than anyone in the league.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

QBEli Manning, Giants667,608

Thats sad

[CrazyCowboy]

Congrats to all our Cowboy reps!