Updated Draft Order as of 12/26

[Hostile]

I am already assuming New England will beat the Jets tonight. I know, bad move. I just don't see the Jets winning under any scenario. Yet another MNF game to end the season that is hardly worth watching. This is how I wanted to measure post 19k.

Coming soon...

http://nfldrafttracker.com/

1. Texans, 2-13, .545

2. Saints, 3-12, .517
3. Jets, 3-12, .533
4. Packers, 3-12, .542
5. 49ers, 3-12, .546

6. Titans, 4-11, .508
7. Raiders, 4-11, .538

8. Rams, 5-10, .548
9. Bills, 5-10, .500
T10. Lions, 5-10, .504
T10. Cardinals, 5-10, .504
12. Browns, 5-10, .513

13. Ravens, 6-9, .517
14. Eagles, 6-9, .529

15. Dolphins, 8-7, .458
16. Vikings, 8-7, .483
17. Falcons, 8-7, .492

18. Chiefs, 9-6, .513
19. Cowboys, 9-6, .521
20. Broncos (via Redskins, 9-6, .546)
21. Chargers, 9-6, .554

22. Buccaneers, 10-5, .446
23. Panthers, 10-5, .454
24. Giants, 10-5, .496
T25. Steelers, 10-5, .500
T25. Patriots, 10-5, .500

27. Bears, 11-4, .446
28. Jaguars, 11-4, .463
29. Bengals, 11-4, .471

30. Broncos, 12-3, .504

31. Seahawks, 13-2, .421
32. Colts, 13-2, .463

[Yeagermeister]

Hey maybe we can get DeAngelo ;)

[jazzcat22]

I would love to end up with #32

[big dog cowboy]

Thanks Hos I was already looking for that this morning!

[Hostile]

Taking a shot at this. Haven't really studied teams needs or player rankings yet. Therefore, I know, I know, "_____________ won't be there at _________"...

1. Texans, 2-13, .545...Reggie Bush, RB, USC

2. Saints, 3-12, .517...Vince Young, QB, Texas
3. Jets, 3-12, .533...Matt Leinart, QB, USC
4. Packers, 3-12, .542...D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
5. 49ers, 3-12, .546...AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State

6. Titans, 4-11, .508...Jimmy Williams, CB, Va Tech
7. Raiders, 4-11, .538...Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon

8. Rams, 5-10, .548...Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
9. Bills, 5-10, .500...Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn
T10. Lions, 5-10, .504...Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
T10. Cardinals, 5-10, .504...DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
12. Browns, 5-10, .513...Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State

13. Ravens, 6-9, .517...DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama
14. Eagles, 6-9, .529...Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State

15. Dolphins, 8-7, .458...Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
16. Vikings, 8-7, .483...Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
17. Falcons, 8-7, .492...Orien Harris, DT, Miami

18. Chiefs, 9-6, .513...Elvis Dumervil, DE, Louisville
19. Cowboys, 9-6, .521...Ahmad Brooks, LB, Viginia
20. Broncos (via Redskins, 9-6, .546)...Thomas Howard, LB, UTEP
21. Chargers, 9-6, .554...Jonathon Scott, OT, Texas

22. Buccaneers, 10-5, .446...Eric Winston, OT, Miami
23. Panthers, 10-5, .454...Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
24. Giants, 10-5, .496...Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Georgia
T25. Steelers, 10-5, .500...Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
T25. Patriots, 10-5, .500...Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State

27. Bears, 11-4, .446...Michael Huff, S, Texas
28. Jaguars, 11-4, .463...Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
29. Bengals, 11-4, .471...D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Maryland

30. Broncos, 12-3, .504...Kyle Williams, DT, LSU

31. Seahawks, 13-2, .421...Darryl Tapp, DE, Virginia
32. Colts, 13-2, .463...Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State

[CactusCowboy]

I like the pick as long as we get some OT help in FA.

[joseephuss]

That Texans-49ers game should be a classic next week.

[Hostile]

That Texans-49ers game should be a classic next week.The Toilet Bowl personified.

[joseephuss]

Taking a shot at this. Haven't really studied teams needs or player rankings yet. Therefore, I know, I know, "_____________ won't be there at _________"...

1. Texans, 2-13, .545...Reggie Bush, RB, USC

2. Saints, 3-12, .517...Vince Young, QB, Texas
3. Jets, 3-12, .533...Matt Leinart, QB, USC
4. Packers, 3-12, .542...D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
5. 49ers, 3-12, .546...AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State

6. Titans, 4-11, .508...Jimmy Williams, CB, Va Tech
7. Raiders, 4-11, .538...Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon

8. Rams, 5-10, .548...Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
9. Bills, 5-10, .500...Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn
T10. Lions, 5-10, .504...Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
T10. Cardinals, 5-10, .504...DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis State
12. Browns, 5-10, .513...Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State

13. Ravens, 6-9, .517...DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama
14. Eagles, 6-9, .529...Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State

15. Dolphins, 8-7, .458...Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
16. Vikings, 8-7, .483...Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
17. Falcons, 8-7, .492...Orien Harris, DT, Miami

18. Chiefs, 9-6, .513...Elvis Dumervil, DE, Louisville
19. Cowboys, 9-6, .521...Ahmad Brooks, LB, Viginia
20. Broncos (via Redskins, 9-6, .546)...Thomas Howard, LB, UTEP
21. Chargers, 9-6, .554...Jonathon Scott, OT, Texas

22. Buccaneers, 10-5, .446...Eric Winston, OT, Miami
23. Panthers, 10-5, .454...Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
24. Giants, 10-5, .496...Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Georgia
T25. Steelers, 10-5, .500...Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
T25. Patriots, 10-5, .500...Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State

27. Bears, 11-4, .446...Michael Huff, S, Texas
28. Jaguars, 11-4, .463...Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
29. Bengals, 11-4, .471...D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Maryland

30. Broncos, 12-3, .504...Kyle Williams, DT, LSU

31. Seahawks, 13-2, .421...Darryl Tapp, DE, Virginia
32. Colts, 13-2, .463...Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State


That has to be the worse mock I have ever seen. :D

[Hostile]

That has to be the worse mock I have ever seen. :DDoesn't surprise me. I didn't really study anything. Just shot from the hip.

[BigWillie]

I'm not so sure of that draft order for two reasons...

1.) The Chargers would draft before us due to head-to-head tiebreakers. The only thing that makes me uncertain is the head-to-head matchups between the Broncos and Chargers.

2.) As of right now, the Colts would draft ahead of the Seahawks due to head-to-head matchups.

[Hostile]

I'm not so sure of that draft order for two reasons...

1.) The Chargers would draft before us due to head-to-head tiebreakers. The only thing that makes me uncertain is the head-to-head matchups between the Broncos and Chargers.

2.) As of right now, the Colts would draft behind the Seahawks due to head-to-head matchups.Head to head tie breaker is not the first tie breaker. It is Opponent's Winning %. Therefore the order is on the money.

[MichaelWinicki]

Head to head tie breaker is not the first tie breaker. It is Opponent's Winning %. Therefore the order is on the money.

Thank you for taking the effort and doing that Hos.

And if we don't make the playoffs I wouldn't shed too many tears if we picked up Brooks.

[kingwhicker]

19-YUCK :puke:

[Fletch]

Taking a shot at this. Haven't really studied teams needs or player rankings yet. Therefore, I know, I know, "_____________ won't be there at _________"...

1. Texans, 2-13, .545...Reggie Bush, RB, USC

2. Saints, 3-12, .517...Vince Young, QB, Texas
3. Jets, 3-12, .533...Matt Leinart, QB, USC
4. Packers, 3-12, .542...D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
5. 49ers, 3-12, .546...AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State

6. Titans, 4-11, .508...Jimmy Williams, CB, Va Tech
7. Raiders, 4-11, .538...Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon

8. Rams, 5-10, .548...Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
9. Bills, 5-10, .500...Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn
T10. Lions, 5-10, .504...Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
T10. Cardinals, 5-10, .504...DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis State
12. Browns, 5-10, .513...Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State

13. Ravens, 6-9, .517...DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama
14. Eagles, 6-9, .529...Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State

15. Dolphins, 8-7, .458...Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
16. Vikings, 8-7, .483...Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
17. Falcons, 8-7, .492...Orien Harris, DT, Miami

18. Chiefs, 9-6, .513...Elvis Dumervil, DE, Louisville
19. Cowboys, 9-6, .521...Ahmad Brooks, LB, Viginia
20. Broncos (via Redskins, 9-6, .546)...Thomas Howard, LB, UTEP
21. Chargers, 9-6, .554...Jonathon Scott, OT, Texas

22. Buccaneers, 10-5, .446...Eric Winston, OT, Miami
23. Panthers, 10-5, .454...Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
24. Giants, 10-5, .496...Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Georgia
T25. Steelers, 10-5, .500...Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
T25. Patriots, 10-5, .500...Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State

27. Bears, 11-4, .446...Michael Huff, S, Texas
28. Jaguars, 11-4, .463...Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
29. Bengals, 11-4, .471...D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Maryland

30. Broncos, 12-3, .504...Kyle Williams, DT, LSU

31. Seahawks, 13-2, .421...Darryl Tapp, DE, Virginia
32. Colts, 13-2, .463...Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State

Hey, I definitely give you an "E" for effort my friend. You would make my older brother's year if the Cowboys picked up Ahmad Brooks.

He is the prototypical size LB. Ultimately a freak of nature if you ask me. I wouldn't mind selecting him either.

[Cajuncowboy]

If Cutler is gone when we pick and Santonio Holmes is there, we should take him. On top of that, I don't know if we go D again with a first rounder. Just my opinion.

[DefendeR]

Cards should pick ahead of Detroit...Detroit beat them back in Nov 13.

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Taking a shot at this. Haven't really studied teams needs or player rankings yet. Therefore, I know, I know, "_____________ won't be there at _________"...
1. Texans, 2-13, .545...Reggie Bush, RB, USC
Reggie won't be there at #1... :D :D :D :D

[DefendeR]

That Texans-49ers game should be a classic next week.


Funny thing is,that a guy named Gore may have cost the Niners a guy named Bush.... :D

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Funny thing is,that a guy named Gore may have cost the Niners a guy named Bush.... :D
:lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao:

Now move this thread to the political zone!!

[big dog cowboy]

If Cutler is gone when we pick
I saw that as well. We don't stand much of a chance of getting him. Even if he was there, do you think BP is ready to go QB in the first round?

[Maikeru-sama]

Anybody seen the Tackle from Miami play? Also, is he a Left Tackle or Right Tackle?

Thanks for the effort Hos


- Mike G.

[Maikeru-sama]

Oh, I missed Scott from Texas. Another draft scenario had him gone already. Man if that guy is still on the board, we really need to take a look at that.

[Cbz40]

Anybody seen the Tackle from Miami play? Also, is he a Left Tackle or Right Tackle?

Thanks for the effort Hos


- Mike G.

Is this the Guy Mike?
Eric Winston, Miami (FL)
He possesses great size and intelligence, and can play either on the left or right side.

[Maikeru-sama]

Is this the Guy Mike?
Eric Winston, Miami (FL)
He possesses great size and intelligence, and can play either on the left or right side.

Yes.

One Mock draft I saw showed that possibly 3 OTs could be available when the Cowboys pick


Eric Winston

If the names Anthony Davis and Kenyatta Walker don't sound too familiar to you don't worry, they don't strike much fear into the hearts of opposing defensive ends either. Those two are actually the Buccaneers starting offensive tackles, Davis a former undrafted free agent on the left side and Walker a former first round pick and frequent resident of Jon Gruden's doghouse on the right side. Needless to say this is a team in desperate need of a stud blocker on the outside. Eric Winston is a former tight end who is still learning the position but has all the tools to possibly be a top left tackle at the next level and, at worst, a right tackle. In fact, had it not been for a serious knee injury Winston may have entered the draft last year and been the first offensive lineman chosen. He struggled early this year while still working his way back to 100% but came on late in the season and began to look like his old self. It usually takes a couple of years to come back from the type of injury he suffered so if teams base his draft grade on the way he played in 2005 someone could end up getting a major steal when he is fully recovered. They might also be in the market for a young quarterback and a name to keep an eye on is Jay Cutler, although this might be a little early for him right now.


WINSTON JUSTICE

There are very few teams with as glaring of a need as the Dallas Cowboys have at offensive tackle. Rob Petitti has done an admirable job starting on the right side as a rookie but they have had to give him a lot of help which has affected their entire offense and I doubt they will want to go into next season without upgrading the position. Winston Justice is still raw and has some maturity questions he must answer but from a pure talent standpoint he would likely rank very high should he choose to make himself eligible for the 2006 NFL Draft. In fact, he might very well be long gone by this point. A gifted athlete with good size, Justice plays right tackle for the Trojans but could possibly move to the left side at the pro level and he would dramatically improve all facets of the Dallas offense. If they were going to go in another direction free safety would probably be the most likely option because there has been next to nothing alongside Roy Williams in the deep middle since Darren Woodson hung up his cleats a couple of years ago. With offensive tackle being such a prominent weakness though it would be real hard to justify looking anywhere else as long as there is any type of value left.


Jonathan Scott
Strengths:
Has excellent size with long arms and the frame to add even more weight...Lithe and very athletic with good quickness...Has tremendous feet...Moves extremely well and gets to the second level...Smart player with top intangibles...Has a lot of experience and has been very durable...Led the way for one of the most productive offenses in the nation throughout his career...Still has a lot of upside.

Weaknesses:
Suffers from bouts of inconsistency...An underachiever who doesn't always play up to his talent level...Needs to work on a refining his technique as he will overextend and get sloppy with his footwork at times...Needs to his the weights and get stronger...Not very physical...Doesn't always finish and lacks a nasty demeanor.

Notes:
Father Ray enjoyed a short stint with the New York Jets...In terms of measurables and physical tools this guy is the total package and the majority of his faults are correctable...Has the potential and ability to be a top left tackle in the NFL.

[Cbz40]

And I would definitely consider Huff, safety from Texas

[Maikeru-sama]

And I would definitely consider Huff, safety from Texas

Yeah, as much as I would love to have a Texan on the roster, I dont know if I want to tie up more money in the secondary.

We have 2 first rounders and Henry is making a crap load.

I dont know if Mr. Parcells can justify going defense in the 1st round.

I know we need a linebacker, but the way I look at it, I think a 1st Round Tackle would have more of an effect than a 1st Round LB.

Actually...I keep forgetting about Adams coming back, so we could still protect the Right side, but who wants to be held hostage again by the Left Tackle position next year?

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah, as much as I would love to have a Texan on the roster, I dont know if I want to tie up more money in the secondary.

We have 2 first rounders and Henry is making a crap load.

I dont know if Mr. Parcells can justify going defense in the 1st round.

I know we need a linebacker, but the way I look at it, I think a 1st Round Tackle would have more of an effect than a 1st Round LB.

Actually...I keep forgetting about Adams coming back, so we could still protect the Right side, but who wants to be held hostage again by the Left Tackle position next year?


I just don't think we'll go for a OT in the first round. Maybe in round 2 but not in the 1st round. If we stay in the first round, I think we go ILB.

[Cbz40]

Yeah, as much as I would love to have a Texan on the roster, I dont know if I want to tie up more money in the secondary.

We have 2 first rounders and Henry is making a crap load.

I dont know if Mr. Parcells can justify going defense in the 1st round.

I know we need a linebacker, but the way I look at it, I think a 1st Round Tackle would have more of an effect than a 1st Round LB.

Actually...I keep forgetting about Adams coming back, so we could still protect the Right side, but who wants to be held hostage again by the Left Tackle position next year?


Agree.....OL must be 1st priority. The question would be do we fix it in the draft or FA ?

If we can obtain at least one that can start immediately and with our current players plus Flo we should be in pretty good shape.

I also think our center position is a little suspect as well even with Johnson having a great game Saturday.

[Cbz40]

I just don't think we'll go for a OT in the first round. Maybe in round 2 but not in the 1st round. If we stay in the first round, I think we go ILB.


I believe our highest drafted OL was was Steve Wisniewski....2nd rd (1989) ever hear of him??????

We drafted Eric Williams and Mark Stepnoski in the 3rd.

[Maikeru-sama]

Agree.....OL must be 1st priority. The question would be do we fix it in the draft or FA ?

If we can obtain at least one that can start immediately and with our current players plus Flo we should be in pretty good shape.

I also think our center position is a little suspect as well even with Johnson having a great game Saturday.


Yeah, I keep forgetting about FA. I hate building lines this way but I dont know who is available. Also, do we know if Jerry is going to be conservative like in 2004 offseason or go all out like in 2005 offseason?

Yes, I think we need to be looking at Guard, Center and Tackle.

Dang it...if only that Rogers and Peterman pick would have worked out, we could be trying to address other things... :banghead:

Mikey is probably right though, we probably take a LB in the 1st. I just think the Defense is there (especially if you get rid of Zimmy), I am getting sick of defenders foaming at the mouth when we march out there with the tackles and center we have.

- Mike G.

[RCowboyFan]

:lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao:

Now move this thread to the political zone!!

Thats actually Boomer line from ESPN.

[Maikeru-sama]

I believe our highest drafted OL was was Steve Wisniewski....2nd rd (1989) ever hear of him??????

We drafted Eric Williams and Mark Stepnoski in the 3rd.

CBz, are you saying ever or in recent history?

I believe we got Mr. Ralph Neely in the first or either we gave up a first for him, let me look it up.

[Cbz40]

CBz, are you saying ever or in recent history?

I believe we got Mr. Ralph Neely in the first or either we gave up a first for him, let me look it up.


Recent history.....lol


Wasn't the Neely deal w/the Oilers......I think we ended up having to give a draft pick to the Oilers. I don't remember the details of the dispute.

[Maikeru-sama]

Recent history.....lol


Wasn't the Neely deal w/the Oilers......I think we ended up having to give a draft pick to the Oilers. I don't remember the details of the dispute.

You got a great memory lol.

No Choice - Traded to Baltimore for Ralph Neely.

1966 Draft (http://www.dallascowboyz.com/DraftInfo.asp?PageName=Draft.asp&DraftYear=1966&QVal=3)

Round 1 No Choice - Given along with second-round and two fifth-round choices, to Houston for Ralph Neely.
Round 2 No Choice - Given along with first and two fifth-round choices, to Houston for Ralph Neely.


1967 Draft (http://www.dallascowboyz.com/DraftInfo.asp?PageName=Draft.asp&DraftYear=1967&QVal=3)

Man, never saw the guy play but that is alot of picks to give up for one guy. Im sure he was worth every penny.

[Cbz40]

He was worth every draft pick......All pro starter 67-69

[MichaelWinicki]

He was worth every draft pick......All pro starter 67-69

Exactly.

Maybe a notch below Rayfield Wright in ability... maybe.

[Hiero]

I dont see vince young going before leinart, but I wouldnt mind ahmad brooks as our first pick.

[Yeagermeister]

Go oline early and often

[Hostile]

Anybody seen the Tackle from Miami play? Also, is he a Left Tackle or Right Tackle?

Thanks for the effort Hos


- Mike G.Eric Winston is a RT.

[Charles]

Hostile you don't know how much joy I get every time am reminded that the Broncos hold the Redskin's 2006 1st RD pick :lmao:

[Hostile]

I believe our highest drafted OL was was Steve Wisniewski....2nd rd (1989) ever hear of him??????

We drafted Eric Williams and Mark Stepnoski in the 3rd.In 1964 we used the 4th overall pick in the Draft for Scott Appleton, an OT from Texas.

In 1966 we used the 6th overall pick for OG John Niland from Iowa.

In 1979 we used the 27th overall pick for Robert Shaw, C from Tennessee.

In 1981 we used the 26th overall pick for Howard Richards, OT from Missouri.

All would be selected before Wisniewski whom we traded to the Raiders.

[Hostile]

Hostile you don't know how much joy I get every time am reminded that the Broncos hold the Redskin's 2006 1st RD pick :lmao:Warms my heart too.

[Clove]

I say go OT, it's not glamorous, but we will defenitely see a difference when it's time to move the ball on the ground and thru the air.

I promise you, if we build this OLine, we will start a dynasty for years to come - pick up a prospect QB in the middle rounds for grooming, and pick up that speedy WR "Curtis" from St Louis, get an outside demon LB in the 3rd or 4th round, and I think we're on our way.

[zagnut]

I say go OT, it's not glamorous, but we will defenitely see a difference when it's time to move the ball on the ground and thru the air.

I promise you, if we build this OLine, we will start a dynasty for years to come - pick up a prospect QB in the middle rounds for grooming, and pick up that speedy WR "Curtis" from St Louis, get an outside demon LB in the 3rd or 4th round, and I think we're on our way.

:hammer:

I can think of plenty of Super Bowl winners with mediocre QB, mediocre defenses, mediocre RBs, mediocre WRs, etc. I can't think of any off the top of my head who got there compensating for mediocre offensive line play.

While Jerry may not like taking an offensive tackle in the first, Parcells has no such problem. Left Tackles are worth a first rounder.

[big dog cowboy]

My standard answer: wait until we sign our free agents and see what holes are left.

[MichaelWinicki]

In 1964 we used the 4th overall pick in the Draft for Scott Appleton, an OT from Texas.

In 1966 we used the 6th overall pick for OG John Niland from Iowa.

In 1979 we used the 27th overall pick for Robert Shaw, C from Tennessee.

In 1981 we used the 26th overall pick for Howard Richards, OT from Missouri.

All would be selected before Wisniewski whom we traded to the Raiders.


Other than Niland... that list doesn't knock my socks off. Shaw was horrid. Richards nearly so. I'm much happier taking a lineman in round 2.

[MichaelWinicki]

:hammer:

I can think of plenty of Super Bowl winners with mediocre QB, mediocre defenses, mediocre RBs, mediocre WRs, etc. I can't think of any off the top of my head who got there compensating for mediocre offensive line play.

While Jerry may not like taking an offensive tackle in the first, Parcells has no such problem. Left Tackles are worth a first rounder.


You've got a left tackle.

[zagnut]

I believe our highest drafted OL was was Steve Wisniewski....2nd rd (1989) ever hear of him??????

We drafted Eric Williams and Mark Stepnoski in the 3rd.

Steve Wisniewski was drafted with the 29th overall pick, the first overall 2nd round pick at the time. I'm not sure Jerry has any problem drafting a o-lineman in the first, just maybe not in the early first.

Larry Allen - 2nd rd. (17th pick) - also went with a fairly high draft pick.

[Cbz40]

Steve Wisniewski was drafted with the 29th overall pick, the first overall 2nd round pick at the time. I'm not sure Jerry has any problem drafting a o-lineman in the first, just maybe not in the early first.

Larry Allen - 2nd rd. (17th pick) - also went with a fairly high draft pick.


I dont think either Jerry or Bill would hesitate drafting an OL with a high draft choice depending on the player that would be there.

My point that over the years we have done well drafting OL in the later rds.

[big dog cowboy]

IMy point that over the years we have done well drafting OL in the later rds.
Like last year getting Petitti in the 6th. :D :D :D

[zagnut]

You've got a left tackle.

I have a 30 going on 31 year old left tackle coming off a season ending knee injury who was never the quickest or most disciplined player to begin with. Hoping for the best, but anyone thinking Flo has many more years at the LT position is lying to themselves.

My point is it's the position on the line you build around. It already costs much money to fill the position with even average players and is therefore worth a first rounder.

It's also the position on the line most responsible for protecting the blind side of most teams' big money player -- another reason why it's a position worth taking.

It's also the most difficult line position to fill, current difficulties with our Centers notwithstanding -- another reason why it's worth taking.

[Cbz40]

Like last year getting Petitti in the 6th. :D :D :D


Hey.....say what you will.....as things turn out it was a good thing we drafted him. :D The book is still open on Rob. ;)

[big dog cowboy]

Hey.....say what you will.....as things turn out it was a good thing we drafted him. :D The book is still open on Rob. ;)
Next year, we will be happy he is a Cowboy. His improvement will be very noticeable.

[zagnut]

I dont think either Jerry or Bill would hesitate drafting an OL with a high draft choice depending on the player that would be there.

My point that over the years we have done well drafting OL in the later rds.

Absolutely. I can't find the thread but I think Junk posted something about how many of the OLs considered to be among the best in the league are built using later rounders and even undrafted free agents.

(The main exception to most of those top lines was the LT position.)

It's one of the reasons I'm hopeful for guys like Petitti and Peterman. Like Boxer puppies, I don't expect to see greatness from day one. :)

[Alexander]

I am reading some disturbing thoughts in this thread.

Don't draft a OL high because we have never done well with them and draft them later because historically we hae done better?

That is completely and utterly foolish and superstitious.

[Cbz40]

I am reading some disturbing thoughts in this thread.

Don't draft a OL high because we have never done well with them and draft them later because historically we hae done better?

That is completely and utterly foolish and superstitious.


I think you may be missreading the thread......Most agree that they would not be opposed to drafting an OL in the early rounds.

Some were simply posting that in the past we have been fortuanate in some of the players that were taken in the latter rds.

[Clove]

It's the hardest thing to do is to draft a player out of the spotlight positions in the 1st round.

You just have to suck it up, be strong, and go after a Tackle and Center or Guard. Then you can refocus and start looking at WR, OLB, MLB, FS, DT, Kicker - Get what you want in these areas, but you have to fix the line.

[Cbz40]

It's the hardest thing to do is to draft a player out of the spotlight positions in the 1st round.

You just have to suck it up, be strong, and go after a Tackle and Center or Guard. Then you can refocus and start looking at WR, OLB, MLB, FS, DT, Kicker - Get what you want in these areas, but you have to fix the line.


and that is another good debate......do you draft for need or do you draft for Best player avaiable?

[StarMan]

Hey.....say what you will.....as things turn out it was a good thing we drafted him. :D The book is still open on Rob. ;)

No doubt Rob has struggled. His struggles have been magnified since the loss of Flozell. But you cannot discount the fact that he's a rookie 6th round pick.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think an offseason in the weight room and a year of starting experience under his belt will help Rob immensely.

[MichaelWinicki]

I have a 30 going on 31 year old left tackle coming off a season ending knee injury who was never the quickest or most disciplined player to begin with. Hoping for the best, but anyone thinking Flo has many more years at the LT position is lying to themselves.

My point is it's the position on the line you build around. It already costs much money to fill the position with even average players and is therefore worth a first rounder.

It's also the position on the line most responsible for protecting the blind side of most teams' big money player -- another reason why it's a position worth taking.

It's also the most difficult line position to fill, current difficulties with our Centers notwithstanding -- another reason why it's worth taking.


I'm betting $$ we don't draft a 1st round offensive lineman.

[Maikeru-sama]

I'm betting $$ we don't draft a 1st round offensive lineman.


Of course we wont Mikey, it makes too much sense :).

[Cbz40]

No doubt Rob has struggled. His struggles have been magnified since the loss of Flozell. But you cannot discount the fact that he's a rookie 6th round pick.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think an offseason in the weight room and a year of starting experience under his belt will help Rob immensely.

absolutely.......

Rob has proven he's a hard worker and has a good head on his shoulders. I'm more than willing to give him time to fine tune his skills.

[Maikeru-sama]

absolutely.......

Rob has proven he's a hard worker and has a good head on his shoulders. I'm more than willing to give him time to fine tune his skills.

Yeah, as a backup though.

We cannot allow this guy to hold us hostage next year.

He should get the opportunity to compete for the starting job but we really need to draft a Tackle in the 1st Round. Teams do it all the time, I dont know why we cant, but then again, teams draft QBs in the 1st round, we take the road less taken :banghead: .

- Mike G.

[Cbz40]

Yeah, as a backup though.

We cannot allow this guy to hold us hostage next year.

He should get the opportunity to compete for the starting job but we really need to draft a Tackle in the 1st Round. Teams do it all the time, I dont know why we cant, but then again, teams draft QBs in the 1st round, we take the road less taken :banghead: .

- Mike G.


and I agree ..... w/out the OL problems this season we would not be needing help getting into the playoffs.

[MichaelWinicki]

Of course we wont Mikey, it makes too much sense :).

Ah, I dunno Mike. I see things like inexperience and injuries causing much of our O-line problems. I believe you have to think long-term with the o-line and believe that either Petitti or Tucker will progress and at least become acceptable right tackles. Adams isn't ancient and a repaired ACL isn't the crippling injury for a lineman that it would be for any other player.

Longterm, I'm much more afraid of our situation at guard. I would not be shocked to have either Allen or Rivera retire after this season. Maybe both.

But you don't draft guards in round 1. You just don't.

And with what I've seen by our ILB's not named Brady and our FS position, I think an argument could be made that any of the 3 positions, O-line, ILB or FS could be prime picks in the 1st round.

But my gut says ILB. Parcells wants a "player" there.

So I'll say ILB in round 1, an O-lineman in round 2 and a FS in round 3.

[Hostile]

Ah, I dunno Mike. I see things like inexperience and injuries causing much of our O-line problems. I believe you have to think long-term with the o-line and believe that either Petitti or Tucker will progress and at least become acceptable right tackles. Adams isn't ancient and a repaired ACL isn't the crippling injury for a lineman that it would be for any other player.

Longterm, I'm much more afraid of our situation at guard. I would not be shocked to have either Allen or Rivera retire after this season. Maybe both.

But you don't draft guards in round 1. You just don't.

And with what I've seen by our ILB's not named Brady and our FS position, I think an argument could be made that any of the 3 positions, O-line, ILB or FS could be prime picks in the 1st round.

But my gut says ILB. Parcells wants a "player" there.

So I'll say ILB in round 1, an O-lineman in round 2 and a FS in round 3.But you said Niland was our best OL taken in round 1.

:wink2:

[MichaelWinicki]

and I agree ..... w/out the OL problems this season we would not be needing help getting into the playoffs.


Yeah CBZ I agree with that but even if the oline was in better shape my gut tells me our problems at LB and FS would be critical enough to doom any sort of long-term jaunt in playoffs.

My goodness we fixed a ton of problems this season. I think it's unrealistic to have fixed them all in one offseason.

[MichaelWinicki]

But you said Niland was our best OL taken in round 1.

:wink2:


He was... that was like 1920, when CBZ was in his early 50's. ;)

[Alexander]

I'm betting $$ we don't draft a 1st round offensive lineman.

Then we are turning a blind eye to one of this teams biggest problems.

If it isn't an OL, it had better be a LBer.

[Hostile]

Then we are turning a blind eye to one of this teams biggest problems.

If it isn't an OL, it had better be a LBer.When I was doing my Mock in this thread those were my 2 focus areas. Ultimately as I thought of Nguyen possibly retiring I thought we might look ILB. Brooks playing for Groh at Virginia just made too much sense.

I won't be the least bit shocked if we go OL instead.

[Maikeru-sama]

Ah, I dunno Mike. I see things like inexperience and injuries causing much of our O-line problems. I believe you have to think long-term with the o-line and believe that either Petitti or Tucker will progress and at least become acceptable right tackles. Adams isn't ancient and a repaired ACL isn't the crippling injury for a lineman that it would be for any other player.

Longterm, I'm much more afraid of our situation at guard. I would not be shocked to have either Allen or Rivera retire after this season. Maybe both.

But you don't draft guards in round 1. You just don't.

And with what I've seen by our ILB's not named Brady and our FS position, I think an argument could be made that any of the 3 positions, O-line, ILB or FS could be prime picks in the 1st round.

But my gut says ILB. Parcells wants a "player" there.

So I'll say ILB in round 1, an O-lineman in round 2 and a FS in round 3.

I know, but it is really time to start drafting guys with the "Pedigree" of a 1st Rounder now.

We have built up the Defensive Line, The Secondary, the Halfabcks, Linebackers, and even upgraded QB temporarily. Time to start drafting Franchise Right Tackle or even a guard so we can pound our East Coast Rivals and all of them are out east in December.

Seriously, Offensive Line has held this team hostage long enough. What would be better than...

Flozell Adams LT
Larry Allen LG
Al Johnson C
Marco Rivera RG
1st Round Young Buck RT

And you know what, I will go ahead and put my ENTIRE agenda out there. I wouldnt mind going Guard or Center in the 1st round in 2007 as well.

We cannot allow this team to be held hostage. Flozell could get hurt again. But if you have a young guy in the 1st Round, then you dont have to help 2 tackles.

Mikey, I am a little surprised that you dont want Tucker on the bench like me. He is fine for 1 or 2 games but I dont ever want to see this guy on the field and hold us hostage again.

Most Mock Drafts have 3 OTs available, I am assuming they all could be taught to play Right Tackle. That is our biggest weakness, besides Mr. Zimmy, so why wouldnt address that.

[MichaelWinicki]

Then we are turning a blind eye to one of this teams biggest problems.

If it isn't an OL, it had better be a LBer.


I'm betting linebacker.

I think Purcells and company are going to give Petitti and Tucker every opportunity to improve over the offseason.

I think guard is potentially a much more serious problem. I think Petitti and Tucker both have upside, where Allen and Rivera are only going to decline.

I don't have the man-hate for Johnson either that many do. If we could get the center from NO for a reasonable price I would say, "do it", if not I would be very hesitant and drafting another center early (like in round 2).

[MichaelWinicki]

I know, but it is really time to start drafting guys with the "Pedigree" of a 1st Rounder now.

We have built up the Defensive Line, The Secondary, the Halfabcks, Linebackers, and even upgraded QB temporarily. Time to start drafting Franchise Right Tackle or even a guard so we can pound our East Coast Rivals and all of them are out east in December.

Seriously, Offensive Line has held this team hostage long enough. What would be better than...

Flozell Adams LT
Larry Allen LG
Al Johnson C
Marco Rivera RG
1st Round Young Buck RT

And you know what, I will go ahead and put my ENTIRE agenda out there. I wouldnt mind going Guard or Center in the 1st round in 2007 as well.

We cannot allow this team to be held hostage. Flozell could get hurt again. But if you have a young guy in the 1st Round, then you dont have to help 2 tackles.

Mikey, I am a little surprised that you dont want Tucker on the bench like me. He is fine for 1 or 2 games but I dont ever want to see this guy on the field and hold us hostage again.

Most Mock Drafts have 3 OTs available, I am assuming they all could be taught to play Right Tackle. That is our biggest weakness, besides Mr. Zimmy, so why wouldnt address that.


Purcells has said he won't allow Petitti to fail... and he won't. I think they give him every opportunity in the world to stay as the incumbent RT starter... consequently no 1st round OT. A 2nd round guard? You bet!

[Alexander]

I think Purcells and company are going to give Petitti and Tucker every opportunity to improve over the offseason.

Are you deliberately attempting to scare me?

I think guard is potentially a much more serious problem. I think Petitti and Tucker both have upside, where Allen and Rivera are only going to decline.

Allen and Rivera (along with Gurode) can tough it out for another year. Besides, you can hide a subpar guard.

You cannot do that with a tackle, which we should have learned the hard way this season.

I don't have the man-hate for Johnson either that many do. If we could get the center from NO for a reasonable price I would say, "do it", if not I would be very hesitant and drafting another center early (like in round 2).

I don't think Johnson is in any danger. I am like you, he is not the worst. At least not in the way some people around here think he is Clay Shivers Part two.

[Maikeru-sama]

Purcells has said he won't allow Petitti to fail... and he won't. I think they give him every opportunity in the world to stay as the incumbent RT starter... consequently no 1st round OT. A 2nd round guard? You bet!


See, I cannot take Bill's word for that judging by what happened to Peterman and Jacobs.

Also, he bragged heavily on Delroy and Willie and they didnt turn out so hot.

I just dont see why he is so scared to draft a Tackle. Yes, it is not sexy and glamourous, but it is holding us hostage at the moment, with or without Flozell Adams.

I really dont know how the Braintrust can justify picking a Linebacker over a OT, unless Parcells thinks this draft is OT deep.

Nobody should be comfortable with Petitti and Tucker coming back. Tucker has had all the opportunity in the world.

I have defended Petitti to the death on this board but I am really starting to move over into Rack's camp.

I mean...my GOSH...a false start on a QB sneak on 3rd and inches....I still cant believe he did that Sunday.

[Cbz40]

Yeah CBZ I agree with that but even if the oline was in better shape my gut tells me our problems at LB and FS would be critical enough to doom any sort of long-term jaunt in playoffs.

My goodness we fixed a ton of problems this season. I think it's unrealistic to have fixed them all in one offseason.

I have no problem w/the holes BP concentrated on fixing in the offseason. The D last year had to be first prioroty.


With a little more pass protection and a minute better running game ..... :eek: and a kicker :) ,

Some of those 3 point losses would have been Ws

No doubt LB & FS are the two ingredients missing on our soon to be better than excellent D.

I think we take the BPA at those positions in the first round.......We can only hope he can finish the D and fill alot of holes on O this offseason.

If he can, we should be real close.

[Alexander]

See, I cannot take Bill's word for that judging by what happened to Peterman and Jacobs.

Also, he bragged heavily on Delroy and Willie and they didnt turn out so hot.

I just dont see why he is so scared to draft a Tackle. Yes, it is not sexy and glamourous, but it is holding us hostage at the moment, with or without Flozell Adams.

I really dont know how the Braintrust can justify picking a Linebacker over a OT, unless Parcells thinks this draft is OT deep.

Nobody should be comfortable with Petitti and Tucker coming back. Tucker has had all the opportunity in the world.

I have defended Petitti to the death on this board but I am really starting to move over into Rack's camp.

I mean...my GOSH...a false start on a QB sneak on 3rd and inches....I still cant believe he did that Sunday.

I fully expect a draft like the one he did with New York in 1988 when he took Eric Moore and Jumbo Elliott one-two.

[Maikeru-sama]

I fully expect a draft like the one he did with New York in 1988 when he took Eric Moore and Jumbo Elliott one-two.

Names are familiar, but how did they turn out?

[Alexander]

Names are familiar, but how did they turn out?

Jumbo Elliot was a great player for him.

Eric Moore, not so much.

[MichaelWinicki]

See, I cannot take Bill's word for that judging by what happened to Peterman and Jacobs.

Also, he bragged heavily on Delroy and Willie and they didnt turn out so hot.

I just dont see why he is so scared to draft a Tackle. Yes, it is not sexy and glamourous, but it is holding us hostage at the moment, with or without Flozell Adams.

I really dont know how the Braintrust can justify picking a Linebacker over a OT, unless Parcells thinks this draft is OT deep.

Nobody should be comfortable with Petitti and Tucker coming back. Tucker has had all the opportunity in the world.

I have defended Petitti to the death on this board but I am really starting to move over into Rack's camp.

I mean...my GOSH...a false start on a QB sneak on 3rd and inches....I still cant believe he did that Sunday.


Mike you may not want to take Parcell's word on o-lineman but my friend that's who's calling the shots.

I think it could be a very debatable argument on who would perform better for this team in 2006... a rookie draft pick taken in round 1 or Petitti entering his second year, with a offseason dedicated to getting better? I've seen a lot of 1st round OT's fail in this league... We've got one about 70 miles north of me in Buffalo, NY. At this point, Rob Petitti is a better player than Mike Williams. And there are many more like Williams out there.

If Rob Petitti cut his sacks allowed and penalties in half would that make him a decent RT? I think it would and I think that's a very reasonable expectation going into next season.

And that's why you won't see a OT drafted in the first round.

[Alexander]

At this point, Rob Petitti is a better player than Mike Williams.

Williams has done terribly and lost his job. But I don't think there are many General Managers in this league that would judge Petitti in a better light, at least not significantly.

[MichaelWinicki]

Williams has done terribly and lost his job. But I don't think there are many General Managers in this league that would judge Petitti in a better light, at least not significantly.


Significantly? No, not at all. But at least in my opinion Rob is the better player at this point... for whatever the hell that's worth. :)

[Alexander]

Significantly? No, not at all. But at least in my opinion Rob is the better player at this point... for whatever the hell that's worth. :)

You just hate Buffalo Bills.

[MichaelWinicki]

You just hate Buffalo Bills.


Yeah I do. :)

[Maikeru-sama]

Yeah, I have not given up on Petitti, but Mikey, do you really think Petitti is progressing?

I really dont think he is progressing all that much. I wish like heck he could be the future and he played well early in the season but he is making too many mistakes and I dont know if there is a difference between the first half of the second and the second half.

Man we will see, but Parcells has really whiffed on OL picks.

I just dont want to see that position hold us hostage in 2006 when we could have picked a 1st Rounder (whether that pick is good are not dont know, but you gotta go with the guys that think he deserves to be a first rounder).

- Mike G.