Some Of You Will Disagree...

[Hostile]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

If we had a Carson Palmer (just using him as an example) at QB I'd feel differently. I'd want a triplets scenario like Indy. I'd want lots of receiving options. I'd want to build an unstoppable offense with a bulldozer O-line.

We're not near that point here yet.

Therefore I focus the Free Agency period on Offense and getting a solid Kicker and I try and finish building a defense that destroys teams through the draft.

I'm very much a proponent of a balance of youth and veteran experience, but in the case of our defense I think it best we plug the holes and go for the long run.

Nothing would please me more than to build an offense around an elite QB again. I still believe one of our backups could be that guy, but there's no evidence to support that right now. Give Bledsoe more wily veterans around him for support and stockpile the defense with playmakers who will keep us in the game for a season or 2 until they build a chemistry that equals elite status.

That's what I would do. I'll understand if you disagree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why.

[marsbennett]

I agree, defensive shoring up is needed. Our LB corp is thin as well as quality safety. Don't be surprised if Glover gets his walking papers as well. Only if an amazing OT falls to us would I hit OL in the first round. LB, OL, and DB are the highest priorities.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I guess it all depends on the FA's we bring in or let go before the draft.

Sure we need some LBs and FS on D....but we also need O-Line help and another speed WR.

So as we said...it depends on what route you go via FA prior to the draft.

Maybe we get a decent LB and FS in FA and then decide to look at O-Line or WR in the draft...or vice versa.

[Woods]

I would hope that in FA we finally address the kicker position, and that we also address getting a FS (though we tried this past off-season as well). I also think we'll get another LB in FA. He may not be a top "name", but a guy who can play well in the 3-4.

Unless we can get one more OT in FA, I would still prefer to draft an OT in the 1st, IF a player worth a 1st is available. In other words, if an OT, LB, CB, or DT, for example, are all seen as "equal" in our eyes when we pick, I would still prefer to take the OL.

But I don't think it usually works out that way . . . .

[DBoys]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

If we had a Carson Palmer (just using him as an example) at QB I'd feel differently. I'd want a triplets scenario like Indy. I'd want lots of receiving options. I'd want to build an unstoppable offense with a bulldozer O-line.

We're not near that point here yet.

Therefore I focus the Free Agency period on Offense and getting a solid Kicker and I try and finish building a defense that destroys teams through the draft.

I'm very much a proponent of a balance of youth and veteran experience, but in the case of our defense I think it best we plug the holes and go for the long run.

Nothing would please me more than to build an offense around an elite QB again. I still believe one of our backups could be that guy, but there's no evidence to support that right now. Give Bledsoe more wily veterans around him for support and stockpile the defense with playmakers who will keep us in the game for a season or 2 until they build a chemistry that equals elite status.

That's what I would do. I'll understand if you disagree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why.

I totally agree with you. The positions we need on O we don't have the luxary of developing them. Next year we need guys to step in and go.

RT, C for sure

Defense we have more of a luxary in developing those guys.

Heavy dose of LBer for me and a FS

[Zaxor]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

If we had a Carson Palmer (just using him as an example) at QB I'd feel differently. I'd want a triplets scenario like Indy. I'd want lots of receiving options. I'd want to build an unstoppable offense with a bulldozer O-line.

We're not near that point here yet.

Therefore I focus the Free Agency period on Offense and getting a solid Kicker and I try and finish building a defense that destroys teams through the draft.

I'm very much a proponent of a balance of youth and veteran experience, but in the case of our defense I think it best we plug the holes and go for the long run.

Nothing would please me more than to build an offense around an elite QB again. I still believe one of our backups could be that guy, but there's no evidence to support that right now. Give Bledsoe more wily veterans around him for support and stockpile the defense with playmakers who will keep us in the game for a season or 2 until they build a chemistry that equals elite status.

That's what I would do. I'll understand if you disagree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why.

Actually Hos your plan is sound...but I don't particularly care for leftovers if we don't make the playoffs I hope to hear the chopping sound :chop:of veteran heads rolling on the Offense ... here is a list...let me know if you think any of these guys will improve with another offseason

Adams, Allen, Rivera, Key, Glenn, Bledsoe, Campbell

now if you do not think they will improve do you think they may be in decline (rarely do players stay the same...they reach a peak and then start a downward climb it is the speed at which they decline that seperates the great ones)

[Champsheart]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

If we had a Carson Palmer (just using him as an example) at QB I'd feel differently. I'd want a triplets scenario like Indy. I'd want lots of receiving options. I'd want to build an unstoppable offense with a bulldozer O-line.

We're not near that point here yet.

Therefore I focus the Free Agency period on Offense and getting a solid Kicker and I try and finish building a defense that destroys teams through the draft.

I'm very much a proponent of a balance of youth and veteran experience, but in the case of our defense I think it best we plug the holes and go for the long run.

Nothing would please me more than to build an offense around an elite QB again. I still believe one of our backups could be that guy, but there's no evidence to support that right now. Give Bledsoe more wily veterans around him for support and stockpile the defense with playmakers who will keep us in the game for a season or 2 until they build a chemistry that equals elite status.

That's what I would do. I'll understand if you disagree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why.

Well, I am usually of the mindset to draft the best player available. If we stockpiled on defense in the draft again at FS, LB, and DT I would be fine with it, I THINK.

With that being said I am of full belief we have to get a lot better on the O-Line. We have to start drafting these guys at some point, some good ones.
Next year we have to, IMO, have a new RT, C, and I am assuming FLO will be back. These are musts or our team will continue to be handcuffed. If we pick this up in FA I am fine going Defense in the Draft.

If we do not get these guys in FA, or the oppurtunity is not there, then I do not think we have any choice but to Draft a few O-Lineman, and probably in the first 3 rounds. If there is one area now, and over the next couple of years we need help it is there. Flo has a few years left, but Allen is winding down, we have no Center at this point, Rivera cant have to many years left, and RT has been a thorn for a long time. The only player I see could have a chance to step in is Peterman, but not even sure about that.

At some point we have to build this line with young talent.

[DBoys]

I guess it all depends on the FA's we bring in or let go before the draft.

Sure we need some LBs and FS on D....but we also need O-Line help and another speed WR.

So as we said...it depends on what route you go via FA prior to the draft.

Maybe we get a decent LB and FS in FA and then decide to look at O-Line or WR in the draft...or vice versa.

WR is imagination we all saw what happened to Price

[CrazyCowboy]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

If we had a Carson Palmer (just using him as an example) at QB I'd feel differently. I'd want a triplets scenario like Indy. I'd want lots of receiving options. I'd want to build an unstoppable offense with a bulldozer O-line.

We're not near that point here yet.

Therefore I focus the Free Agency period on Offense and getting a solid Kicker and I try and finish building a defense that destroys teams through the draft.

I'm very much a proponent of a balance of youth and veteran experience, but in the case of our defense I think it best we plug the holes and go for the long run.

Nothing would please me more than to build an offense around an elite QB again. I still believe one of our backups could be that guy, but there's no evidence to support that right now. Give Bledsoe more wily veterans around him for support and stockpile the defense with playmakers who will keep us in the game for a season or 2 until they build a chemistry that equals elite status.

That's what I would do. I'll understand if you disagree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why.

This IS NOT a bad thought process on getting the team better.....however, it would be hard for me personally to pass on a TALENTED OT if I felt he could anchor the line for 10 plus years and be Pro Bowl material........we need it badly IMO!

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree. All these folks that are thinking OT in round one are otta their gords.

I think Parcells is going to give Petitti every opportunity to claim that position for the next 10 years.

I say ILB in round 1.

UNLESS...

We trade out for more picks in rounds 2 & 3.

We know we need help at:

ILB
FS
O-line
WR depth
DT depth
And possibly some help at TE

[Cbz40]

I would agree ,finish what we started on D. LB......Safety. Please get a starting OT, C, Kicker.

If there is any money left get a young vet QB .

[Tio]

Imo it always depends who is there.

If Ahmad brooks or Huff were available (maybe wright) and we like them over the available OL and WR, than get them. Take who you think will be the best at a position of need.

Of course if some of these Junior qbs come out and a good one comes to us, pull the trigger and (hopefully) be done with it.

[Bach]

I'm all for having a strong defense. BUT, at some point we need to load the offense.
I know Tampa Bay and the Ravens won the Super Bowl with great defenses and average at best offenses with stopgaps at QB. But, that is by far the exception rather than the rule.

I think we have the makings of a very good defense, and I think we can add a piece or two to it through FA and the draft, like a FS and another LB, etc.

But we really need to start building a solid offense, instead of just relying on older veterans at key positions. Unless we just want to constantly have a revolving door every 2-3 years of stopgaps and never actually build.

I've heard the excuse of not drafting a QB high for 5-6 years now. It's risky - he won't contribute right away - blah, blah, blah. Well, if we always had that attitude then we never would've had Aikman. We could've just gone with Laufenberg, then Beurlein, then Rodney Peete, then Kosar and maybe won a division or two all the while squandering the rest of our talented roster.

At some point we need to pull the trigger, and I don't mean reach for some project like Quincy in the 2nd or 3rd round. And I know there isn't a 100% guarantee a 1st round QB will pan out. But I'd rather go down trying than go down with a stopgap every year.

[MichaelWinicki]

This IS NOT a bad thought process on getting the team better.....however, it would be hard for me personally to pass on a TALENTED OT if I felt he could anchor the line for 10 plus years and be Pro Bowl material........we need it badly IMO!

Crazy, I just can't see a OT at approximately #20 that has the proven skills to be a 10 year starter... I really don't. They all seem to lack strength and personally I think Petitti given an offseason to conditioning and improving lateral quickness would beat out any OT you bring in at #20.

[Woods]

Crazy, I just can't see a OT at approximately #20 that has the proven skills to be a 10 year starter... I really don't. They all seem to lack strength and personally I think Petitti given an offseason to conditioning and improving lateral quickness would beat out any OT you bring in at #20.

Not that I see much college football here across the pond, but what do you think of that OT from Texas? I think his name is Jonathan Scott?

[Cbz40]

Imo it always depends who is there.

If Ahmad brooks or Huff were available (maybe wright) and we like them over the available OL and WR, than get them. Take who you think will be the best at a position of need.

Of course if some of these Junior qbs come out and a good one comes to us, pull the trigger and (hopefully) be done with it.

Agree, Yes, it's past time to be done with it. ;)

[Bach]

Crazy, I just can't see a OT at approximately #20 that has the proven skills to be a 10 year starter... I really don't. They all seem to lack strength and personally I think Petitti given an offseason to conditioning and improving lateral quickness would beat out any OT you bring in at #20.


I've seen quite a few OT's who were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or later, who lasted 10+ years. I don't see any reason someone at #20 in round one couldn't.

Plus, why would you think a 2nd year former 6th round pick beat out the 20th pick in the draft? IF a 6th rounder who looks like crap in his rookie year can be that good in year two, then wouldn't it make sense that the 20th overall pick might be at least a tad better?

[kingwhicker]

I think you are right- the only obvious playmakers you will get at the position we will be drafting are linebackers, DTs, and free safeties.

[DBoys]

You guys gripe about Petitti and then you want to draft another rookie OL guy and go through it all again. OL is the one place we don't want to draft a starter we need to sign them in FA. It will be the difference in winning a SB next year or not.

[Maikeru-sama]

Nope.

You already have a very solid defense in place. You probably need a linebacker and maybe even another Nose Tackle, but if you take this same defense into next year, you still have a Top 10 Defense.

You have to balance things out. We went totally defensive next year. Go take a look at our drafts from 1998 up until now, alot of first day picks are on the defensive side of the ball, which is why at times, I defense was way ahead of our offense.

Is there any team in the National Football League that has a longer drought then us with regards to selecting a QB in the 1st Round?

The skill positions on the offensive side of the ball are getting stale and really dont put fear in the heart of the opponents.

Im sick of U, Strahan, Peppers, Kearse and heck, throw Phillip Daniels in there foaming at the mouth when they play us because they know their sack total could increase by 30%.

Nope. You MUST get an Offensive Tackle and a young Wideout in this draft with some speed.

I see 3 1st Round picks on the defensive side of the ball and a hell of alot of money tied up in others (Glover and Henry).

How many 1st rounders do we have on the offensive side of the ball (ones we drafted)?

Let's go offense this draft and I may just be open to getting a linebacker. But I dont know if Parcells can justify passing on these guys if we get the opportunity:


1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia 6-5 295 5.10
2. Eric Winston Miami (FL) 6-7 312 5.10
3. Winston Justice Southern Cal 6-6 300 n/a
4. Marcus McNeill Auburn 6-9 338 4.97
5. Jonathan Scott Texas 6-7 310 5.30


Heck, I am of the opinion that we need to go offense so bad that I would be open to drafting a Kicker with our first pick if one is good enough :eek: .

Time to bring this offense into the 21st Century....speed...size....pedigree.

[Tio]

Agree, Yes, it's past time to be done with it. ;) I think we might have the same one in mind :D

[Cbz40]

I think we might have the same one in mind :D


I know we do..... :D

[SteveOS]

Going off the thread title... Some of you will disagree... I'd say we need to get T.O. (Kill me) I don't care what issues he has, if he's helping this team win, I can deal w/ it. Parcells can help him, I don't think he'll be an issue at all, he seemed to be very truthful in his final PC when he was sorry for what he did. Whichever team he goes to will reap big benefits. We need a freakin' GAMEBREAKER on offense and T.O. brings that.

Obviously we need help on the O-line and I think we'll improve that via F.A or the draft. I'd love to get someone to replace Davis and get a few more stud LB's. It should be an interesting offseason.

[Maikeru-sama]

You guys gripe about Petitti and then you want to sign another rookie OL guy and go through it all again. OL is the one place we don't want to draft a starter we need to sign them in FA. It will be the difference in winning a SB next year or not.

Yes, I think the Rookie would struggle, but you have to think that rookie with the pedigree of a Ogden, Pace, Flo etc etc or another high valued Offensive Lineman would start picking things up when the season is almost at a conclusion.

Petitti deserves the opportunity to come back and compete for a job, and yes it is very unrealistic that he would get a fair shot if we draft a Tackle in the 1st Round.

I have defended this guy to the death and really have not given up on the kid but I dont see him progressing at all.

I hate to keep sounding like a broken record...but that false start on 3rd and inches on a Drew Bledsoe quarterback sneak play against Carolina really bugged the heck out of me.

[Bach]

You guys gripe about Petitti and then you want to draft another rookie OL guy and go through it all again. OL is the one place we don't want to draft a starter we need to sign them in FA.

:lmao2:
So, you're saying that ALL rookie OL are the same, regardless of whether they are taken in the 1st round or the 6th round? Is that what you're saying? Tell me that's not what you're saying.

[Double Trouble]

First off, this not drafting an OT in the 1st round seems silly. If the talent is there, you take the guy. I don't believe the bust % on tackles is as high as it is for many other positions.

Also, Petitti has been pathetic. We can't rely on him another year, nor can we go into a season without some serious OL upgrades. I wouldn't mind Tucker and Petitti back as reserves, but we have to get someone to play RT, or we'll be handicapped on offense again next year.

Dallas has drafted one offensive player in the first round since 1991, IIRC. They have to inject some young talent on that side of the ball soon.

[Maikeru-sama]

First off, this not drafting an OT in the 1st round seems silly. If the talent is there, you take the guy. I don't believe the bust % on tackles is as high as it is for many other positions.

Correct. You have a need...the need is available...you take that need...just that simple.[/QUOTE]


Dallas has drafted one offensive player in the first round since 1991, IIRC. They have to inject some young talent on that side of the ball soon.

I knew the QB drought in the 1st round was bad, didnt think it was that bad for offensive players as a whole.

I wonder if there is another Franchise that came make the claim that they too have not drafted a offensive player in the 1st round since that time.

Anybody else starting to put 2 and 2 together.....refusual to draft high in skill positions and multiple 5-11 seasons and only 1 playoff berth in what 10-12 seasons...I lost count.

[Rockytop6]

I agree to an extent. We need to finish out our D but we have some O woes that must be addressed.

I'm still of the opinion that we should go best player available. I think a LB or NT would be a great 1st rd pick if a real stud is there and I think one will be.

I would look at an OL, FS or WR in the 2nd and 3rd rds.

In fact, unless there is that elite player there at our pick, probably # 20, I would trade down if I could because this draft is heavy in OL. If JJ could finagle two seconds or a second and high 3rd for our first pick then we could definitely fill three holes in this draft.

The only way I would stay at # 20 (?) if I could find a trading partner, would be if a top QB or skill player was available.

The type of players we need don't have to be 1st rounders. You can find good OL and FS in the second and third rounds.

If anybody saw the Rutgers game last night, they have a top notch K. He hit a 52 and 48 yarders and really looked good. I don't know if he is a senior or not but we must find a reliable and dependable K this off season.

[wileedog]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

I'd be fine with it, as would Parcells I'd wager.

If an impact ILB is there when our first pick rolls around I doubt he will be able to resist the temptation even if he wanted to. He just loves those guys.

And it would be great to build this defense into a bona fide wrecking ball. Its the first step towards a championship.

That being said, O-line can't be ignored (we need to run the ball much more consistently next year), and I really think this is a good season to pick up a WR for the future. Let him learn behind Glenn and Key for a season and be ready to take over with Crayton when those guys are done. From a timing standpoint, I really think this is the right offseason to do it.

Going to be very interesting to see how the Henson thing plays out too.

[DBoys]

:lmao2:
So, you're saying that ALL rookie OL are the same, regardless of whether they are taken in the 1st round or the 6th round? Is that what you're saying? Tell me that's not what you're saying.

They are the same in the fact they will struggle. I don't care who they are or where they are drafted. Larry Allen got owned by Reggie White as a rookie. We have had a lot of luck drafting OL right? Your scenario brings too much uncertainty to the table, Are you willing to risk the season much like this year on a what if rookie?

We need to get our OL guys in FA PERIOD.

[wileedog]

Anybody else starting to put 2 and 2 together.....refusual to draft high in skill positions and multiple 5-11 seasons and only 1 playoff berth in what 10-12 seasons...I lost count.

That's because the players they drafted were terrible. Didn't matter which side of the ball they were on.

We also gave away two #1 picks for a WR. :bang2:

[Zimmy Lives]

Also, Petitti has been pathetic. We can't rely on him another year, nor can we go into a season without some serious OL upgrades. I wouldn't mind Tucker and Petitti back as reserves, but we have to get someone to play RT, or we'll be handicapped on offense again next year.

Petitti has not been very effective but he has also been playing injured. Parcells will keep guys like him around because these are the players -- tough guys that compete regardless of injury -- that can win championships when surrounded by better personnel.

Anyway, Petitti will benefit from an off-season with the S&C coach, he needs to work on his power and explosion. It's pretty obvious that the kid has always relied exclusively on his natural size and strength. He will be a better player once he has learned to maximize his physical abilities.

[Hostile]

This Draft is going to be deep at LB and thank goodness. I think we need an ILB and possibly another OLB. Up to me I'd draft 2 LBs.

We need a Free Safety and there is some good talent in this Draft there as well.

If we get rid of Glover I'm going to say we need NT or DT help as well. I'd rather get rid of Ferguson than Glover, but it isn't my call. I doubt Ellis is going anywhere, but it truthfully wouldn't shock me. I just don't think Pepper Johnson is a replacement for Glover. Losing Glover, if it happens, sets the entire D back.

We have no idea if Nguyen is coming back. I'm guessing he isn't.

Singleton is probably a cap casualty.

That is potentially 4 big time veteran losses on the D and that is without addressing FS.

In my opinion we do not have the QB to build an offense around but we do have the pieces in place to finish a dominating Defense. I feel this is the best way to stay competitive for a longer period of time.

If we had a Carson Palmer at QB I'd say go with the already steady defense and let's give this kid what he needs. Weapons to throw to and OL.

[DBoys]

Yes, I think the Rookie would struggle, but you have to think that rookie with the pedigree of a Ogden, Pace, Flo etc etc or another high valued Offensive Lineman would start picking things up when the season is almost at a conclusion.

Petitti deserves the opportunity to come back and compete for a job, and yes it is very unrealistic that he would get a fair shot if we draft a Tackle in the 1st Round.

I have defended this guy to the death and really have not given up on the kid but I dont see him progressing at all.

I hate to keep sounding like a broken record...but that false start on 3rd and inches on a Drew Bledsoe quarterback sneak play against Carolina really bugged the heck out of me.

Yeah but I think we are dealing with a window and next year is our year to shine. I like Petitti but I don't want to put all my money in one basket and him get hurt etc. We need insurance policies because next year we make a run for it.

[Tio]

HE sure would look good with a star on his helmet.

[Hostile]

HE sure would look good with a star on his helmet.Who is "HE?"

[jterrell]

I would enter off-season completely open-minded about improving because this team is now near 1 good off-season from a Super Bowl regardless of the weekend's outcome.

I would prefer balance and also noting what positions play most quickly thus defense would get a nod in drafting.

[Tio]

Who is "HE?"You don't pay much attention to the sports zone do you? This might make the thread go off topic...
Think Texas man...think Young...

[Maikeru-sama]

That's because the players they drafted were terrible. Didn't matter which side of the ball they were on.

We also gave away two #1 picks for a WR. :bang2:

True but...

Ellis wasnt bad

Newman isnt bad

Roy Williams

Demarcus Ware

Marcus Spears

Remeber, I said 1998 and onwards, including Parcells' tenure.

We fans must demand we start drafting Offensive Talent with 1st picks...

[Cbz40]

Who is "HE?"


He is our secret weapon.............. ;) TBA at a later date

[Tio]

He is our secret weapon.............. ;) TBA at a later dateDidn't know it was a secret...

[Maikeru-sama]

Yeah but I think we are dealing with a window and next year is our year to shine. I like Petitti but I don't want to put all my money in one basket and him get hurt etc. We need insurance policies because next year we make a run for it.

Im confused DBoys? Are you saying get Petitti hurt and put all our money in Petitti's basket or a 1st round OT?

Im a little slow today :p:

[CrazyCowboy]

Crazy, I just can't see a OT at approximately #20 that has the proven skills to be a 10 year starter... I really don't. They all seem to lack strength and personally I think Petitti given an offseason to conditioning and improving lateral quickness would beat out any OT you bring in at #20.

I have not started evaluating the draft yet since I have not given up totally on my Cowboys just yet.

You could be absolutely correct and I also want the best available talent at our draft position. Jeff Ireland has this mind set from what I have read which is to draft the most talented player available vs drafted strictly for need and regretting it later.

I complete understand and agree with where your coming from though.

I look forward to discussing this issue with you after our season is officially over and have studied the players available........

[Cbz40]

Didn't know it was a secret...


We must present our agenda at a time and place of our choosing. ;)

[Hostile]

You don't pay much attention to the sports zone do you? This might make the thread go off topic...
Think Texas man...think Young...I think if he declares he will be long gone. Top 5 pick.

[Cbz40]

I think if he declares he will be long gone. Top 5 pick.


That is the problem....... :(

[Hostile]

That is the problem....... :(Thinking QB with a Day 1 Draft pick I'd want Brady Quinn over any of them.

[Tio]

I think if he declares he will be long gone. Top 5 pick.I'm predicting DJ syndrome. People will look for thing against him when the seasons over. THe release will be completely overblown and he drops. I think we might have a shot if teams ahead of us draft for need. I give it about 10% shot he is there when we pick. I doubt we take him though...unfortunately.

[Woods]

With respect to the OT position, maybe we get lucky with Colombo? It would be nice to hit the jackpot without paying much. I think we'll know more about him once the off-season program starts.

[CrazyCowboy]

I think if he declares he will be long gone. Top 5 pick.

CrazyCowboy sure hopes you are correct and Young is long gone!

I do not want any part of him on Dallas Cowboys team......period

[Hostile]

With respect to the OT position, maybe we get lucky with Colombo? It would be nice to hit the jackpot without paying much. I think we'll know more about him once the off-season program starts.Parcells has virtually said he's a bust. Time to quit holding our breath on him.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thinking QB with a Day 1 Draft pick I'd want Brady Quinn over any of them.


Just not many QB's coming out that excite me much this year.

Quinn would be one that I would not mind seeing.

Personally I would like to see a big OT drafted (ala Winston) but chances are those guys will be long gone by the time we pick.

I could see a LB, FS or WR falling to us.

I just hope we have a productive offseason with FA's (don't have to be high dollar stars but guys that will be solid) and a good draft.

[Tio]

Thinking QB with a Day 1 Draft pick I'd want Brady Quinn over any of them.I haven't seen him play much, will pay close attention to him against OSU, but you have to wonder if he is a product of CHarlie Weis. The texas qb coaches/mack brown aren't exactly qb gurus...

[Cbz40]

Thinking QB with a Day 1 Draft pick I'd want Brady Quinn over any of them.


I would not be in opposition of that pick.

[Hostile]

Just not many QB's coming out that excite me much this year.

Quinn would be one that I would not mind seeing.

Personally I would like to see a big OT drafted (ala Winston) but chances are those guys will be long gone by the time we pick.

I could see a LB, FS or WR falling to us.

I just hope we have a productive offseason with FA's (don't have to be high dollar stars but guys that will be solid) and a good draft.I like several of the QBs. I still think Henson is our future QB. Call me stubborn.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Parcells has virtually said he's a bust. Time to quit holding our breath on him.


Agreed...with the struggles we have had on O-Line...for Columbo not even to get a few snaps is telling IMO.

[Hostile]

I haven't seen him play much, will pay close attention to him against OSU, but you have to wonder if he is a product of CHarlie Weis. The texas qb coaches/mack brown aren't exactly qb gurus...It's a fair point, but I'll say this, Norm Chow coached QBs are playing well. Sometimes pedigree really matters and if Weis is the link to pedigree so be it.

[Hostile]

Agreed...with the struggles we have had on O-Line...for Columbo not even to get a few snaps is telling IMO.He couldn't even get in for kick blocking duty and the guy has like 8 career blocks.

Pretty telling...

[BrAinPaiNt]

I like several of the QBs. I still think Henson is our future QB. Call me stubborn.


Stubborn maybe, Hopefully yes, wrong...I am starting to think so.

As far as the other QBs in the draft...don't get me wrong, not saying that there are no other nice ones in the draft...just not many of them excite me like some have in the past.

[BrAinPaiNt]

He couldn't even get in for kick blocking duty and the guy has like 8 career blocks.

Pretty telling...


I thought he did get in for some of those...I must be losing it because I could have sworn he was in some on that area.

[Hostile]

I thought he did get in for some of those...I must be losing it because I could have sworn he was in some on that area.He might have been. I thought he was inactive most games.

[Cbz40]

I thought he did get in for some of those...I must be losing it because I could have sworn he was in some on that area.


I thought he was also...... :confused:

[Tio]

It's a fair point, but I'll say this, Norm Chow coached QBs are playing well. Sometimes pedigree really matters and if Weis is the link to pedigree so be it.How is his mobility? Is he the leader of ND?
All I've heard about this kid is he has a good arm, is smart and accurate.

[BrAinPaiNt]

He might have been. I thought he was inactive most games.


Now you got me curious. :(

[CrazyCowboy]

Parcells has virtually said he's a bust. Time to quit holding our breath on him.

From what I have read about Colombo in practice.........forget that thought!

[Zimmy Lives]

This Draft is going to be deep at LB and thank goodness. I think we need an ILB and possibly another OLB. Up to me I'd draft 2 LBs.

We need a Free Safety and there is some good talent in this Draft there as well.

If we get rid of Glover I'm going to say we need NT or DT help as well. I'd rather get rid of Ferguson than Glover, but it isn't my call. I doubt Ellis is going anywhere, but it truthfully wouldn't shock me. I just don't think Pepper Johnson is a replacement for Glover. Losing Glover, if it happens, sets the entire D back.

We have no idea if Nguyen is coming back. I'm guessing he isn't.

Singleton is probably a cap casualty.

That is potentially 4 big time veteran losses on the D and that is without addressing FS.

In my opinion we do not have the QB to build an offense around but we do have the pieces in place to finish a dominating Defense. I feel this is the best way to stay competitive for a longer period of time.

If we had a Carson Palmer at QB I'd say go with the already steady defense and let's give this kid what he needs. Weapons to throw to and OL.

I think the Cowboys will be looking at pass rusher (LB), NT/DT, WR, and OT on the first day of the 2006 draft. Ferguson is not the long-term solution at NT and Glover will probably be gone. Canty, Spears, and Ratliff show promise but they will need quality backups.

I agree that pieces are in place on offense to be competitive. Finish the defense this draft and move on to the O.

[Hostile]

How is his mobility? Is he the leader of ND?
All I've heard about this kid is he has a good arm, is smart and accurate.Yes, he is a leader. Yes, he is mobile.

You say good arm, smart, and accurate like those are questionable qualities in a QB.

[Cbz40]

How is his mobility? Is he the leader of ND?
All I've heard about this kid is he has a good arm, is smart and accurate.


You would like Quinn Tio.....trust me.

[CrazyCowboy]

I think the Cowboys will be looking at pass rusher (LB), NT/DT, WR, and OT on the first day of the 2006 draft. Ferguson is not the long-term solution at NT and Glover will probably be gone. Canty, Spears, and Ratliff show promise but they will need quality backups.

I agree that pieces are in place on offense to be competitive. Finish the defense this draft and move on to the O.

I agree with you and if we are smart here is the guy we should pick and he may just be there:

Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon

He is a complete STUD ........period.....mark it down and don't forget it! I hope Jeff Ireland is reading this board.

[Hostile]

I think the Cowboys will be looking at pass rusher (LB), NT/DT, WR, and OT on the first day of the 2006 draft. Ferguson is not the long-term solution at NT and Glover will probably be gone. Canty, Spears, and Ratliff show promise but they will need quality backups.

I agree that pieces are in place on offense to be competitive. Finish the defense this draft and move on to the O.I'm still high on Mathias Kiwanuka, DE form Boston College and would take him in a heartbeat if he fell. Bookend him with Canty and move Spears inside.

Wishful thinking I know.

I also like Haloti Ngata, NT from Oregon a lot. If he fell I think I'd start thinking trade up to get him.

Rod Wright & Orien Harris will interest me too.

[Hostile]

I agree with you and if we are smart here is the guy we should pick and he may just be there:

Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon

He is a complete STUD ........period.....mark it down and don't forget it! I hope Jeff Ireland is reading this board.Beat me to it.

[Tio]

Yes, he is a leader. Yes, he is mobile.

You say good arm, smart, and accurate like those are questionable qualities in a QB.Accuracy is lacking in many qbs in the NFL. Look at Eli or QC (back in his "heyday"). Their receivers had to adjust to the balls thrown at them with regularity, often stopping any chance at RAC yards. Mcnabb used to be horribly inaccurate.

[Hostile]

Accuracy is lacking in many qbs in the NFL. Look at Eli or QC (back in his "heyday"). Their receivers had to adjust to the balls thrown at them with regularity, often stopping any chance at RAC yards. Mcnabb used to be horribly inaccurate.Q had a heyday?

Okay.

I agree, accuracy is paramount. Thus Quinn on that and smarts alone should be desirable.

[wileedog]

True but...

Ellis wasnt bad

Newman isnt bad

Roy Williams

Demarcus Ware

Marcus Spears

Remeber, I said 1998 and onwards, including Parcells' tenure.

We fans must demand we start drafting Offensive Talent with 1st picks...

Also true.

But if you include Parcell's years technically JJ was our 'first' pick. Witten is arguably a late first round or 2nd round talent we happen to steal in the 3rd too.

BUt as I've said other places I think this would be a good year to snag a good WR early in the draft.

[TruBlueCowboy]

All I know is if the Cowboys go heavy on defense again this year, we are going to have one hell of a defense for the next decade if Jerry can lock them all down in long-term contracts. Jason Ferguson is probably the only "old" starter on this team. With guys already in place such as Chris Canty, Marcus Spears, DeMarcus Ware, Roy Williams, Terence Newman, Anthony Henry, Bradie James, we would have one hell of a defense for at least five years if the Cowboys hit big on some starting linebackers and free safety in the early rounds this year.

[Tio]

Q had a heyday?

Okay.

I agree, accuracy is paramount. Thus Quinn on that and smarts alone should be desirable.See the " " what do you think I was suggesting? :)

[Tio]

BUt as I've said other places I think this would be a good year to snag a good WR early in the draft.That would be a reach no matter who we take (if its in the first)

[Maikeru-sama]

That would be a reach no matter who we take (if its in the first)

Yeah, not sure this is a great draft for those.

I think we have to go offense with our first pick.

[silver]

disagree. offense heavy. wr, qb, ol. we need impact players at skill position and tons of OL help. other than the unmentionable there's hardly any impact free agent players.

[Maikeru-sama]

disagree. offense heavy. wr, qb, ol. we need impact players at skill position and tons of OL help. other than the unmentionable there's hardly any impact free agent players.

We of like mind.

Time to get some young guys high in the draft....this script was written a long time ago.

[Bach]

They are the same in the fact they will struggle. I don't care who they are or where they are drafted. Larry Allen got owned by Reggie White as a rookie. We have had a lot of luck drafting OL right? Your scenario brings too much uncertainty to the table, Are you willing to risk the season much like this year on a what if rookie?

We need to get our OL guys in FA PERIOD.


So basically you're going to place your entire emphasis on who we pick solely on what you think they can do in year 1.

I'd love to draft guys who were pro bowlers their rookie year, but it doesn't usually work that way. I have no problem with signing an OL or two in FA. But I also don't have a problem if we took an OL and QB in round 1 if they were the BPA - even if it meant we might not get maximum contribution out of them for a year.
Sometimes you have to look at the big picture.

[Bach]

disagree. offense heavy. wr, qb, ol. we need impact players at skill position and tons of OL help. other than the unmentionable there's hardly any impact free agent players.


I can see us looking at OT or WR early. I'd love to get a good young quality QB, but I don't see BP and JJ using a high pick on one - because there isn't immediate contribution :rolleyes: .

Of course the whole draft is predicated on what we do in FA. Once we see which hole we fill there, we will have a lot better idea which areas we target in the draft.

Immediate needs, whether FA or the draft: OL, WR, QB, FS, LB, PK.

[Hostile]

We of like mind.

Time to get some young guys high in the draft....this script was written a long time ago.Where's this script?

I think we need a youth influx on O, but the best chance to make the Super Bowl at this point lies in making the Defense virtually unbeatable.

Finish the pieces on D then spend the next couple of years on O.

[Maikeru-sama]

Where's this script?

I think we need a youth influx on O, but the best chance to make the Super Bowl at this point lies in making the Defense virtually unbeatable.

Finish the pieces on D then spend the next couple of years on O.

I am going to take a page from you and say "some of you will not agree" but I really think the defense is finished, besides doing something about the DC.

I am all for a strong defense but you know what they say, the best defense sometimes involves having an extremely effective offense.

Do you not think we can benefit from a highly regarded 1st round OT?

It is painfully obvious that Tackle is holding us hostage...and I cant think of any other position that you can say that about, besides kicker.

I want to see a balanced team. I want a young guy at receiver that can help Glenn out with regards to being the deep threat.

Hos, arent you ready to draft a 1st round offensive weapon....because as one poster stated...we have opted out of doing that since 1991, I beleive.

That is why I have been saying the script has been written.

Time to put fear into the Gregg Williams and Mr. Jim Johnson and actually make em think twice about blitzing us.

I would love to show off a brand spanking new 1st Round Offensive Tackle to the NFC Beast....

[silver]

Where's this script?

I think we need a youth influx on O, but the best chance to make the Super Bowl at this point lies in making the Defense virtually unbeatable.

Finish the pieces on D then spend the next couple of years on O.

All we need is a true FS. We're this http://us.inmagine.com/thumbnails/stockdisc/sd123/182516sdc.jpg close on defense.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Where's this script?

I think we need a youth influx on O, but the best chance to make the Super Bowl at this point lies in making the Defense virtually unbeatable.

Finish the pieces on D then spend the next couple of years on O.


Youth on O....one could make an argument that We have Two Tackles, One Center, One guard, Two RBs, One FB, One TE and One WR (in three wr sets) for a total of 9 players that are young on O.

However without injuries there would be 6.

Really the only old spots are our Two WRs, One QB and the G spots...the rest of the guys on O are young.

Problem is...young does not mean good enough...it may with some, does not mean so for others.

We all know how the offense goes if A: the Oline has problems or B: if Terry Glenn goes down. That should be though of in the offseason because this is the first time in MANY years Terry has went a whole season without an injury that made him miss a game.

[wileedog]

That would be a reach no matter who we take (if its in the first)

Ah, thanks. I don't watch a lot of college football and haven't really started looking at the draft yet.

If there are no bona fide WRs high up then disregard that comment. I certainly would rather take BPA then reach for a receiver.

[Hostile]

All we need is a true FS. We're this http://us.inmagine.com/thumbnails/stockdisc/sd123/182516sdc.jpg close on defense.I would agree if I assumed the following players were coming back.

1. Glover
2. Nguyen
3. Ellis
4. Singleton

If we were getting all 4 back, I'd agree. I'd say that scenario is a longshot at best.

On offense who are we losing from the current unit?

[wileedog]

All we need is a true FS. We're this http://us.inmagine.com/thumbnails/stockdisc/sd123/182516sdc.jpg close on defense.

I still think we need 1 more impact LB. Can't run a 3-4 with just guys playing there.

Ware will be better next year, James is still improving, and I haven't given up at all on Burnett, but I'm not really sold that Shanle, Fujita or Fowler are more than just quality depth.

Glover is likely gone soon too, and probably Ellis. There's good talent behind them, but those are 2 very large pairs of shoes to fill.

Hos is right. A monster defense and a good running game can still take you a good long way in this league, and its what we have the opportunity to build tthe quickest.

[Hostile]

Youth on O....one could make an argument that We have Two Tackles, One Center, One guard, Two RBs, One FB, One TE and One WR (in three wr sets) for a total of 9 players that are young on O.

However without injuries there would be 6.

Really the only old spots are our Two WRs, One QB and the G spots...the rest of the guys on O are young.

Problem is...young does not mean good enough...it may with some, does not mean so for others.

We all know how the offense goes if A: the Oline has problems or B: if Terry Glenn goes down. That should be though of in the offseason because this is the first time in MANY years Terry has went a whole season without an injury that made him miss a game.For youth on O I was talking about QB and WRs mostly.

[Bizwah]

I'm still high on Mathias Kiwanuka, DE form Boston College and would take him in a heartbeat if he fell. Bookend him with Canty and move Spears inside.

Wishful thinking I know.

I also like Haloti Ngata, NT from Oregon a lot. If he fell I think I'd start thinking trade up to get him.

Rod Wright & Orien Harris will interest me too.

Kiwi is a stud, but moving him to a DE in the 3-4?

If Ellis was too small at 6-6 270, then Kiwi will be at 6-8 260.

I'm curious to see if Kiwi is athletic enough to play OLB in the 3-4. With that wingspan.....Wow!

Ngata would solve our run-stopping woes for sure.

I think your original post was a good one, Hos. No reason at all for this team to focus on one area. We need help on defense just like we need help on offense.

There's no knowing what areas we'll need after FA. Assuming we go in with the status quo (I sincerely hope we don't) we need to take the BPA.

I think our worst needs are at OT, C, ILB, FS, DT, and OLB. I would love to have a WR, but there's none that I would take with a first round pick. Not only that, I doubt that a WR would see much playing time considering we have Key and Glenn.

[Hostile]

I am going to take a page from you and say "some of you will not agree" but I really think the defense is finished, besides doing something about the DC.

I am all for a strong defense but you know what they say, the best defense sometimes involves having an extremely effective offense.

Do you not think we can benefit from a highly regarded 1st round OT?

It is painfully obvious that Tackle is holding us hostage...and I cant think of any other position that you can say that about, besides kicker.

I want to see a balanced team. I want a young guy at receiver that can help Glenn out with regards to being the deep threat.

Hos, arent you ready to draft a 1st round offensive weapon....because as one poster stated...we have opted out of doing that since 1991, I beleive.

That is why I have been saying the script has been written.

Time to put fear into the Gregg Williams and Mr. Jim Johnson and actually make em think twice about blitzing us.

I would love to show off a brand spanking new 1st Round Offensive Tackle to the NFC Beast....Make no mistake about it, I want an overpowering OL. I just happen to think we're closer to a dominating defense than a dominating offense by a wide gap. So finish off the dominating Defense while we can.

If we were turning it over to Henson or Romo or drafting a QB I'd agree with you. We're not. Bledsoe appears to be entrenched for at least next year. I like him but he'll never be the QB of a dominating offense.

[Maikeru-sama]

Make no mistake about it, I want an overpowering OL. I just happen to think we're closer to a dominating defense than a dominating offense by a wide gap. So finish off the dominating Defense while we can.

If we were turning it over to Henson or Romo or drafting a QB I'd agree with you. We're not. Bledsoe appears to be entrenched for at least next year. I like him but he'll never be the QB of a dominating offense.

What do you mean by the highlighted portion of your comment..just curious?

Not sure Hos. I dont know if you can justify not getting a Tackle in the 1st round, if indeed they are available and even our scouting department and Bill would admit they are worth taking (which I have no clue what they think).

I think it will be bummer to go heavily defense yet another year. You get a top notch lineman and the Cowboys are putting up some nice numbers on offense because you get flow back and worst case scenario you have to help your rookie first round tackle throughout most of the year, which I would doubt you would.

[chinch]

I would agree if I assumed the following players were coming back.

1. Glover
2. Nguyen
3. Ellis
4. Singleton

If we were getting all 4 back, I'd agree. I'd say that scenario is a longshot at best.

On offense who are we losing from the current unit?
Yup, unless someone on O really, really falls down to us and is a "cant-miss" type person I would be shocked if we don't draft defense first and foremost.

[Hostile]

What do you mean by the highlighted portion of your comment..just curious?

Not sure Hos. I dont know if you can justify not getting a Tackle in the 1st round, if indeed they are available and even our scouting department and Bill would admit they are worth taking (which I have no clue what they think).

I think it will be bummer to go heavily defense yet another year. You get a top notch lineman and the Cowboys are putting up some nice numbers on offense because you get flow back and worst case scenario you have to help your rookie first round tackle throughout most of the year, which I would doubt you would.If we get young WRs it will take him a while to develop anywhere enar the rapport with them that he already has with Glenn and Key.

Therefore I don't see WR as a huge glaring need. RB isn't a need. If we're sticking with Bledsoe or counting on one of our backups QB isn't. TE isn't.

That leaves O-Line. Fixing the O-line alone isn't likely to add 14 more points of offense to this team, which is what I think we need to reach elite offensive status.

If Bledsoe were 27 I'd feel differently. At 34 or 35 he's on the downhill slide not the uphill climb to his peak. Dominating offenses don't start with a QB at that point of his career.

We can still have an adequate offense and win. A dominating Defense just makes it that much easier to do it. IMO.

[silver]

Yup, unless someone on O really, really falls down to us and is a "cant-miss" type person I would be shocked if we don't draft defense first and foremost.

i agree since best available player has always been the best approach. but if a stud offensive lineman is there to trade up for, we have the ammo to go get him. yes we could use another LB here and another D-linemen there. However our starters are good and only depht is needed as opposed to the offensive side where is clear we have major weaknesses at OT and WR.

[Hostile]

Kiwi is a stud, but moving him to a DE in the 3-4?

If Ellis was too small at 6-6 270, then Kiwi will be at 6-8 260.

I'm curious to see if Kiwi is athletic enough to play OLB in the 3-4. With that wingspan.....Wow!

Ngata would solve our run-stopping woes for sure.

I think your original post was a good one, Hos. No reason at all for this team to focus on one area. We need help on defense just like we need help on offense.

There's no knowing what areas we'll need after FA. Assuming we go in with the status quo (I sincerely hope we don't) we need to take the BPA.

I think our worst needs are at OT, C, ILB, FS, DT, and OLB. I would love to have a WR, but there's none that I would take with a first round pick. Not only that, I doubt that a WR would see much playing time considering we have Key and Glenn.My book has Kiwi at 275. Plus I think he can get bigger with weight training.

Ngata is a better selection. less work to do to get there and Spears is fine as a DE.

I just like everything about Kiwi.

Ahmad Brooks, coached by Al Groh in a 3-4 is my bet for a Draft focus.

Kills my Laron Landry hopes, but...

[Hostile]

i agree since best available player has always been the best approach. but if a stud offensive lineman is there to trade up for, we have the ammo to go get him. yes we could use another LB here and another D-linemen there. However our starters are good and only depht is needed as opposed to the offensive side where is clear we have major weaknesses at OT and WR.Getting Flo back immediately helps the OL.

I don't see us as hurting at WR right now. Of course I think Crayton has all the makings. Age at WR concerns me a bit. I'll admit that. There are FAs who could be brought in and contribute right away. No, I don't mean TO.

To get to the next level we either need an elite D or an elite O. I think we're closer at D so do what we need to and get there.

[InmanRoshi]

I don't disagree. I think this team desperately needs another pass rushing LB to bookend with Ware. The pass rush has been atrocious the 2nd half of the season. For all the attention paid on Ware's struggles, Greg Ellis has 1 sack in his last 5 games. Dallas has the worst duo of pass coverage safeties in the league. Evidenced by the fact that they let 4.8 40 yard dash Ricky Proehl get behind the defense twice for big plays.

I think veteran OL will be added in FA. Probably Jason Fabini and Kevin Mawae.

[Jimz31]

I agree about drafting more D than O at this point.....however, if there is somebody at the QB position that we would really like, you gotta do what you gotta do to get him. Our future QB is still NOT on the roster at this point, IMO. The QB is probably THE most important position and will HAVE TO BE addressed at some point VERY soon. How many years DB has left....who knows.

I would rather have the o-line get fixed through FA.

[Clove]

I agree with Hos as well, plus it's not like out our offense stinks, we are ranked around 15th.

I would trade Ellis and Glover. One for picks and at least one of them to move up, and maybe go after Ahmad Brooks, what a stud (ILB 6'3 259, fast and a playmaker). - Or I would go after Haloti Ngata (DT 6'5 345) run stuffing machine and pile mover -

You have so many LB'rs/3-4 DE it's unreal in this draft. If our Defense were to be so strong up front by us drafting ILB- Brooks DT - Ngata/Watson - and OLB/DE - Dumervil, plus get us a good punt returner (we'll be stopping guys left and right) we would not have to move far down the field to score (Kicker in FA).

I would love to have a monster "D" because our offense breeds off of this would be type of defense. Teams couldn't run on you, they wouldn't have time to throw it on you, it would be amazing. Then you can add a Tackle in there and a guard. But Hos, I like the dominating defensive plan.

[Clove]

BTW, whoever mentioned that they still thought Henson was the future, I think I agree. If he weren't why would he still be here? BP has no problems releasing people.

[The30YardSlant]

If we could get Kiwi (wont happen), Ahmad Brooks (wont happen), A.J. Hawk (wont happen), or the DT from Oregon (possibility) I would go defense in the first round without thinking twice.

[Hostile]

I agree about drafting more D than O at this point.....however, if there is somebody at the QB position that we would really like, you gotta do what you gotta do to get him. Our future QB is still NOT on the roster at this point, IMO. The QB is probably THE most important position and will HAVE TO BE addressed at some point VERY soon. How many years DB has left....who knows.

I would rather have the o-line get fixed through FA.I would draft a QB just about every year. We really fell down on developing QBs.

[silver]

Getting Flo back immediately helps the OL.

I don't see us as hurting at WR right now. Of course I think Crayton has all the makings. Age at WR concerns me a bit. I'll admit that. There are FAs who could be brought in and contribute right away. No, I don't mean TO.

To get to the next level we either need an elite D or an elite O. I think we're closer at D so do what we need to and get there.

You're right about Flo. However the rest of the line has issues too. Larry Allen is a year older, Al Johnson is coming along slowly, Rivera is a weakness, Gurode is a FA, Pettiti may benefit from a full offseason conditioning prgram but he's still a ?

WR age is a major ? IMO. Key and Glenn will be a year older. Glenn has remained healthy for like the 3th time in his entire carreer. odds are he gets nicked next year. I agree about Crayton. However we have very little speed other than Glenn. We need youth as opposed to a free agent type. I agree about TO. no room for head cases here. Look for a speedster in the 2nd round.

[Bizwah]

My book has Kiwi at 275. Plus I think he can get bigger with weight training.

Ngata is a better selection. less work to do to get there and Spears is fine as a DE.

I just like everything about Kiwi.

Ahmad Brooks, coached by Al Groh in a 3-4 is my bet for a Draft focus.

Kills my Laron Landry hopes, but...

Major red flags for Brooks.

I pass on a player that has his "heart" questioned.

[The30YardSlant]

Major red flags for Brooks.

I pass on a player that has his "heart" questioned.

How many Cowboys players have been brought in since JJ got here that had their "heart" questioned? :rolleyes:

[junk]

I don't disagree. I'd love to see some dynamic offensive playmakers, but I just don't think that is BP's MO.

IMO, this defense needs at least 2 LBers. One might come in the form of Burnett finally establishing himself somewhere (I think inside next to James). Fujita is pretty average/below average at the OLB spot. I'd like an upgrade there as well. If the team wants another steady vet there (think Singleton, but more suited to the 3-4), Ben Leber is a FA this year. My personal favorite is Bobby Carpenter. Ties to BP. A big LB with coverage skills and pass rush skills. He is the perfect fit to line up opposite Ware. He'll drop due to injury which is why I think the team needs to trade down a la 2004 and get 2 seconds and a 2007 first rounder (to find a QB if need be). The other second can be used on a OL or possibly ILB.

The defense has been better this year (as it should have been with the major upgrades). It would have been better if the scheme suited the players better and the run defense (and even pass rush of late) has been very suspect. I don't think its a top 10 defense left as is. It needs some work yet.

As far as offensive line, there aren't many OT options available. Hutchinson is a nice guard prospect, but I doubt he gets away. Bentley should be a target to play either G or C. Both guards are old and some developmental guys need to be brought in there to eventually replace Allen/Rivera (one or both may be gone this offseason anyway).

I could handle an OT selection in round 1. I wouldn't be too happy with a guard. I think you can find them other places. I'd be most happy bringing in an established offensive line coach with multiple years of offensive line coaching experience. Either at the NFL level (preferably) or at a major college program. Sorry, the head coach of New Haven doesn't impress me.

I don't think QB is addressed this offseason. I think the team goes with what it has.

I don't think FS will be addressed with a major FA signing or high draft pick.

[Double Trouble]

Making a dominant D is a nice thought. But spending the draft heavily on defense leaves the offense extremely vulnerable, unless they do a great job getting some offense in FA.

If Terry Glenn gets hurt, we have no speed at WR and the offense is crippled, though I have a suspicion Jones will go full bore after TO.

We've all seen how difficult a time the offense has had since Flo went down. If we don't do something at tackle, we'd be stuck again next year with 2 tackles who aren't NFL quality.

The offense is in the middle of the pack, but it was close to the top when Flo went down. Since then, it's been a downward spiral, with only a couple of nice games like KC and Carolina.

I'd prefer the opposite strategy: get solid vets in free agency for the defense, and draft offense heavily. Regardless, if we neglect the offense, I doubt we'll win anything.

[Verdict]

I have given this idea a bit of thought and think there are several possibilities. The key to building a winner, regardless of philosophy is to fill team holes or weakness, ie upgrade the talent on the roster. On defense, the perceived weaknesses are, in my opinion, free safety (or safety opposite Roy, whatever you choose to call it) and linebacker. I believe we need TWO NEW STARTERS on defense.

On the offense we need primarily, help on the offensive line. You could argue that we really need a QB, a #1 receiver, a true fullback, a replacement for Dan Campbell etc., but I'm talking must haves here. I truly believe this offense is serviceable with a decent line. In all honesty the greatest need on offense other than O-line might be a true #1 marquee back, but that is yet to be determined.

So, my list of needs are in order of importance, in my eyes anyway:

1. Offensive line
2. Free safety
3. Linebacker

We are getting close already, so I see us in a "win now" mentality more than ever. Offensive line is an area that is not a "quick fix" through the draft due to the learning curve, as well as physical maturity issues; therefore, I see us getting O-line help through free agency, just like we tried to do last year by signing Rivera.

It is very plausible we could get a serviceable free safety and a linebacker in rounds 1 and 2 this year that could step in and start immediately. This would instantly help us fill the positions of need. Additionally, since the linebacking position we would be filling isnt the edge rusher (Ware) we could likely get the best inside linebacker available, or possibly the second best ILB available at our draft position in round 1. We need a real "beast" inside to consume the run. It is also likely that a free safety that we think highly of could be there in round 2.

I think Keith "Killer" Davis stays on the team, but goes back to being a backup free safety and the special teams specialist he is. I see Barriult making a very good backup to Roy, assuming he's healthy. I'm not sure what our linebacking corps looks like next year, but it could look quite a bit different. Isn't Brady James in his contract year?

I am a huge proponent of choosing the best player available regardless of position, but I think ideally, we get a linebacker and safety in rounds 1 and 2 and fill the O-line needs through free agency. I could see us moving up, or down in the first two rounds to fill those two needs and still getting value with our picks. I wouldn't be surprised to see us move up, or down or both in the first two rounds.

[Maikeru-sama]

Making a dominant D is a nice thought. But spending the draft heavily on defense leaves the offense extremely vulnerable, unless they do a great job getting some offense in FA.

If Terry Glenn gets hurt, we have no speed at WR and the offense is crippled, though I have a suspicion Jones will go full bore after TO.

We've all seen how difficult a time the offense has had since Flo went down. If we don't do something at tackle, we'd be stuck again next year with 2 tackles who aren't NFL quality.

The offense is in the middle of the pack, but it was close to the top when Flo went down. Since then, it's been a downward spiral, with only a couple of nice games like KC and Carolina.

I'd prefer the opposite strategy: get solid vets in free agency for the defense, and draft offense heavily. Regardless, if we neglect the offense, I doubt we'll win anything.

Man, good point.

Andybody else really interested in seeing this team without a Glenn and Adams again?

[sago1]

My suggestions based solely on how GBN talent evaluation since this the only mock draft website I got. Agree we need add at least 2 defensive players (LB & FS) to improve our defense but OL is major concern & we need immediate & long term improvement or we will be held back. Talk about teams winning SB with great/good defense is true but they also had good OLs and we don't have the latter; don't believe one FA OL signing will solve this problem.

Adams (turns 31 in 06) coming back from knee injury; should be ok but we got no viable backup & same goes at RT where Pettiti isn't viable starter right now. Colombo is a project for 06. Our guards: Adams (turns 35 in 06) & Riveria (34 in 06) have unproven backup in Peterman & Gurode played pretty well against Panthers but has had problems at that position in each of last 2 years. And none of us like what we seeing at center. We got to bite the bullet now & begin now so we prepared for 06 and beyond or we will be right back at same position in regards to OL after 06 season.

This draft is deep with quality OTs. Agree we take BPA but where we currently projected to pick I don't see the quality at any other position but OT (if Winston or Scott available). If both capable starting OT immediately then we have to go with one of them. Prefer he starts at RT with Adams at LT so we don't have Bledsoe at mercy of inexperienced OT. Whoever we draft should beat at Pettiti and Colombo to play RT for 2-3 years before moving this guy to LT to replace Adams. If Pettiti and/or Colombo show enough talent they can become backups to these guys.

In 2nd round while there also some OTs of interest (but doubt any will have immediate effect which leaves us where we at now). There will be some good FS/WR/LB/QB/DL types available for us to choose from to help fill this positions also in 3rd round. Frankly I also think we have to draft a good young OG to become quality successor to either Allen/Riveria at least in 07 & good backup in 06 in case of injury cause who knows what we got in Peterman.

Again if we don't begin improving OL now in draft, we will have this same discussion again at end of 06 season.

Of course also we got to sign a quality PK now and not some second rate guy like we have in the past.

BTW: I would love to see us trade our first round pick to move down 2-4 places if we get additional 3rd or 4th round pick. Four picks on first day gives us good chance to get 4 players who can really help us on the OL/LB/FS/WR or even QB.

[CrazyCowboy]

I am going to take a page from you and say "some of you will not agree" but I really think the defense is finished, besides doing something about the DC.

I am all for a strong defense but you know what they say, the best defense sometimes involves having an extremely effective offense.

Do you not think we can benefit from a highly regarded 1st round OT?

It is painfully obvious that Tackle is holding us hostage...and I cant think of any other position that you can say that about, besides kicker.

I want to see a balanced team. I want a young guy at receiver that can help Glenn out with regards to being the deep threat.

Hos, arent you ready to draft a 1st round offensive weapon....because as one poster stated...we have opted out of doing that since 1991, I beleive.

That is why I have been saying the script has been written.

Time to put fear into the Gregg Williams and Mr. Jim Johnson and actually make em think twice about blitzing us.

I would love to show off a brand spanking new 1st Round Offensive Tackle to the NFC Beast....

Nice post! Alot of times an effective offense is the best defense by keeping it off the field. The defense then rest more and hense becomes more effective in the game.

[DLCassidy]

Regardless of what we do in FA.

Regardless of whether BP retires.

Regardless of what they think of Drew Bledsoe.

Regardless if Dat retires or if Singleton is let go.

Regardless of anything else, we will draft an OT in round 1 if a good one is there when we are on the clock.

The position held our offense hostage all year, particularly after FA got hurt. Good tackles don't get let go often and when they do they're expensive. We need to get younger, cheaper and oh yeah better on the OL. That's what the draft is for. If we took a Winston Justice or a Marcus McNeill I'll be satisfied. It needs to happen and it will happen IMO.

[Hostile]

Man, good point.

Andybody else really interested in seeing this team without a Glenn and Adams again?Show me the guarantee we would be without them first. I could say the same thing about Roy and T-New going down.

[Maikeru-sama]

Show me the guarantee we would be without them first. I could say the same thing about Roy and T-New going down.

2004 Cowboys

2005 Cowboys

If Roy and Newman go down we still have Glenn and Henry.

- Mike G.

[Hostile]

2004 Cowboys

2005 Cowboys

If Roy and Newman go down we still have Glenn and Henry.

- Mike G.Not a guarantee Mike. I don't draft as insurance against injuries. I draft to fill needs.

[visionary]

cant look at the draft in isolation, have to look at the whole off season:


Free Agency:

Center: bentley (or best available if bentley franchised- need experience here)
FS
Kicker: vinatieri>vanderjact. points on the field and field position are key to the way BP plays football.

Draft:

Trade down if possible and get extra 3rd

2nd: OT. this draft is deep in OTs and we might get someone pretty good in top of 2nd
2nd: LB. preferably carpenter if available.
3rd: OG
3rd (via trade): WR. in order of preference: hands>speed>size
5th: Nose tackle or full back

this scenario is not that far fetched, addresses key positions on both offence and defence, fills most of our immediate needs without breaking the bank, and balances those with long term plans since we would be getting younger on OL, LB, WR, NT.

the only position not addressed in this scenario would be QB and i think we all agree that DB will be here next year. i for one agree with Hos and hope that we already have our long term QB answer on the roster.

if all good OTs gone by out pick, we could go LB, OG, WR, and corner on day 1 picks.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Not a guarantee Mike. I don't draft as insurance against injuries. I draft to fill needs.


Drafting to fill needs gave us the three gloves.

With that said I don't want people drafted JUST as backups...that was the mistake Jimmy and Jerry made and Jerry continued for awhile due to that squad they had and the cap.

However there is nothing wrong with getting players that may sit a year before they get good playing time...depending on the round.

[blindzebra]

I agree completely.

If our 3-4 is ever going to be feared we need at least 2 more LBs, perhaps 3.

Fujita and Shanle are both just guys, and James had a nice 4 or 5 game run, but even then he was out of position a lot and for all those tackles very few were anywhere near the LOS, and he has fallen off the past few games.

I'd take a LB #1, add a vet FA, and pick up another tweener later in the draft that can push Thornton as Ware's back up or spend a year on PS.

NT and FS is needed.

I had CB on my list too, but Reeves has played very well and may push Glenn next year...he's out played him down the stretch, IMO.

[Hostile]

Drafting to fill needs gave us the three gloves.Sorry, not sure what you mean.

[ravidubey]

I totally agree with you. The positions we need on O we don't have the luxary of developing them. Next year we need guys to step in and go.

RT, C for sure

Defense we have more of a luxary in developing those guys.

Heavy dose of LBer for me and a FS
Don't forget fullback. Lorenzo Neal has been a beast the last couple of years, it sure would be nice to have a punisher who's willing to block like that.

[Hostile]

Nice post! Alot of times an effective offense is the best defense by keeping it off the field. The defense then rest more and hense becomes more effective in the game.Let me just ask this about our defense.

Do we generate enough pressure, sacks, and takeaways to think it is solved?

Not for my money. Especially if we lose Glover, Nguyen, Singleton, and possibly Ellis.

In fact we'd go backwards.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sorry, not sure what you mean.


Well I updated my original post some.

I just hate the idea of drafting only for needs...it got us three questionable DBs one year (dubbed the three gloves by many at the time).

It got us QC and Tony Dixon instead of other players.

Needs are a strong consideration in drafting, however BPA needs to be weighed into the equation.

Therefore I made the comment of what happens sometimes when we draft for need aka the three gloves debacle.

Ok...I probably just confused you more, I am really in a rambling mood today.

(picture joe dirt walking down the train tracks with Bob Seager's rambling man playing in the background :laugh1: )

[Fletch]

I like your plan of building an elite defense through the draft. But the Cowboys, IMHO, cannot afford to keep pushing the needs of the O-line further and further down the road.

We need young and talented players on the O-line in place for Drew Bledsoe, and in place for when we finally decide to go with one of our younger QB's.

[chinch]

Let me just ask this about our defense.

Do we generate enough pressure, sacks, and takeaways to think it is solved?

Not for my money. Especially if we lose Glover, Nguyen, Singleton, and possibly Ellis.

In fact we'd go backwards.
These three cost us A whopping 4 sacks & 1 FF
La'Roi Glover - 3.0 sacks / 1 Forced Fumble
Dat Nguyen - 1.0 / 0 FF
Al Singleton - 0.0 / 0FF

Now, Ellis has 8 sacks & 2FFs but has done nothing the 2nd half of the year.

[Hostile]

These three cost us A whopping 4 sacks & 1 FF
La'Roi Glover - 3.0 sacks / 1 Forced Fumble
Dat Nguyen - 1.0 / 0 FF
Al Singleton - 0.0 / 0FF

Now, Ellis has 8 sacks & 2FFs but has done nothing the 2nd half of the year.Ellis always finishes slow so as not to hit double digits in sacks.

On Dat and Al I think injuires need to factor into their stat equations. Subtract their tackles and INTS as well. How many QB pressures from Ellis and Glover? What about fumbles caused or recovered.

You left out a lot.

[Hostile]

Well I updated my original post some.

I just hate the idea of drafting only for needs...it got us three questionable DBs one year (dubbed the three gloves by many at the time).

It got us QC and Tony Dixon instead of other players.

Needs are a strong consideration in drafting, however BPA needs to be weighed into the equation.

Therefore I made the comment of what happens sometimes when we draft for need aka the three gloves debacle.

Ok...I probably just confused you more, I am really in a rambling mood today.

(picture joe dirt walking down the train tracks with Bob Seager's rambling man playing in the background :laugh1: )I'm not suggesting reaching for players. If you look at my original post I said this Draft was LB heavy and to take an offensive player if an unbelievable talent is there.

[CrazyCowboy]

LaVar Arrington knows he won't be a member of the Washington Redskins much longer. That's fine with him. In fact, Arrington is not sure he wants to play football for any team after this season.
-- Washington Times

How would this guy look in our 3-4? He may like to play for us and show the deadskins something special twice a year?

[wileedog]

LaVar Arrington knows he won't be a member of the Washington Redskins much longer. That's fine with him. In fact, Arrington is not sure he wants to play football for any team after this season.
-- Washington Times

How would this guy look in our 3-4? He may like to play for us and show the deadskins something special twice a year?

I want no part of a guy who is already wondering aloud if he even wants to play football anymore and is coming off a major knee surgery.

There's a reason Washington stopped putting him in games and their defense hardly missed a beat.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm not suggesting reaching for players. If you look at my original post I said this Draft was LB heavy and to take an offensive player if an unbelievable talent is there.


I think the draft is also heavy (in the top of the 1st) for OTs...I just wish one would fall to us.

If the draft is heavy with LBs and not just at the top...maybe we get one in the second. Maybe we trade down a few spots for some extra picks and get one.

Actually I think it is probably easier to find a FA LB that would be suitable unless you get lucky and find a LB in the draft that is already familiar with the 3-4.

Seems to be harder to get a decent OT in FA now days because teams keep most of them or other teams outbid for them.

I don't mind going Defense in the draft...and hope that I am not coming across that way.
In todays NFL it seems teams are usually really good on one side of the ball and have questions on the other...as I have said it is rare for teams to be excellent on both sides of the ball since the cap took over.

But still we need to shore up this O-Line...whether we stick with Bledsoe or eventually try to get a young guy in (whether that guy is on our team now or not).

If Riveras back is bad, he may never fully recover from it.
Larry is not getting any younger.
Flo should be back.
Rob should get better, but what if he will just be a good backup in this league.

Well...it really is way to early on this stuff anyways and as I said...I am just rambling. :D

[Fletch]

LaVar Arrington knows he won't be a member of the Washington Redskins much longer. That's fine with him. In fact, Arrington is not sure he wants to play football for any team after this season.
-- Washington Times

How would this guy look in our 3-4? He may like to play for us and show the deadskins something special twice a year?

You know Crazy, I have thought about Lavar in a Cowboy's uniform next season. The guy does have talent and is somewhat of a freak of nature from sideline to sideline.

Not too mention it would just completely piss off Foreskin nation to see Lavar making plays here in Dallas.

I wouldn't mind taking a good look at him, keeping in my mind that has been injury prone the last couple of seasons.

[CrazyCowboy]

I want no part of a guy who is already wondering aloud if he even wants to play football anymore and is coming off a major knee surgery.

There's a reason Washington stopped putting him in games and their defense hardly missed a beat.

Yes, I considered the knee but it usually is year two when these players start playing like normal......I believe it is all talk about the retirement thing.....Arrington is too young and talented to give it up and not to mention his ego!

[Hostile]

LaVar Arrington knows he won't be a member of the Washington Redskins much longer. That's fine with him. In fact, Arrington is not sure he wants to play football for any team after this season.
-- Washington Times

How would this guy look in our 3-4? He may like to play for us and show the deadskins something special twice a year?Has he ever played a 3-4 before? I don't think so.

I question his motivation and attitude as well.

Not only that he is represented by the Postons. That exlcudes him right there in the eyes of Valley Ranch.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Has he ever played a 3-4 before? I don't think so.

I question his motivation and attitude as well.

Not only that he is represented by the Postons. That exlcudes him right there in the eyes of Valley Ranch.

I would rather pass as well.

There is no denying the man has talent.

But if he can not follow basic instructions from his coach in a 4-3...what makes anyone think he would so in a system that uses the 3-4 and 4-3.

[silver]

this is like the tastes great - less filling debate. if a stud ILB is there. someone who reminds people of Ray Lewis I'm all for it. but if a Jordan Gross is there how can you say no.

[CrazyCowboy]

Has he ever played a 3-4 before? I don't think so.

I question his motivation and attitude as well.

Not only that he is represented by the Postons. That exlcudes him right there in the eyes of Valley Ranch.

Hos, I forgot he was represented by the Postons.........I am sorry to have brought it up now.......I am just looking for talent at a value price!

[Chuck 54]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

If we had a Carson Palmer (just using him as an example) at QB I'd feel differently. I'd want a triplets scenario like Indy. I'd want lots of receiving options. I'd want to build an unstoppable offense with a bulldozer O-line.

We're not near that point here yet.

Therefore I focus the Free Agency period on Offense and getting a solid Kicker and I try and finish building a defense that destroys teams through the draft.

I'm very much a proponent of a balance of youth and veteran experience, but in the case of our defense I think it best we plug the holes and go for the long run.

Nothing would please me more than to build an offense around an elite QB again. I still believe one of our backups could be that guy, but there's no evidence to support that right now. Give Bledsoe more wily veterans around him for support and stockpile the defense with playmakers who will keep us in the game for a season or 2 until they build a chemistry that equals elite status.

That's what I would do. I'll understand if you disagree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why.
I'd like to see an offensive lineman & a WR on day 1.
I'd also like to see a LB and FS on day 1.

However, that requires 4 day 1 picks....how likely is that? As long as those are the 4 positions where we place our priority, I don't care who comes via FA and who comes via the draft, though I'd feel better getting a WR through the draft than FA, cheaper too. The type of ILB's needed for our defense don't have to be taken really high in the draft...I feel the same about a FS who can cover...these guys need to be solid, not necessarily super stars.

[Hostile]

Hos, I forgot he was represented by the Postons.........I am sorry to have brought it up now.......I am just looking for talent at a value price!Not a damn thing wrong with that thinking IMO.

[Hostile]

this is like the tastes great - less filling debate. if a stud ILB is there. someone who reminds people of Ray Lewis I'm all for it. but if a Jordan Gross is there how can you say no.I hope and pray we have this dilemma to worry about. I said it is a LB deep draft. I think I'd roll the dice a stud LB will drop. Still leaves a gap at FS if we grab LB in the 2nd.

I think the return of Flo and another year together makes our OL better than some think. That includes Rivera who disappointed me greatly.

Someone said don't take OG in round 1, but if that OG is Max Jean-Gilles I think I'd love it.

[Maikeru-sama]

Not a guarantee Mike. I don't draft as insurance against injuries. I draft to fill needs.

So we are back to square one again...

2 Positions held this team hostage last year

Kicker and Offensive Tackle.

I think a Tackle makes a bigger splash then a Linebacker does for this next year.

[Billy Bullocks]

I agree, defensive shoring up is needed. Our LB corp is thin as well as quality safety. Don't be surprised if Glover gets his walking papers as well. Only if an amazing OT falls to us would I hit OL in the first round. LB, OL, and DB are the highest priorities.


I totally agree with you guys. Look at Chicago, Pittsburgh, alot of the succesful teams have a strong running game and a very good defense.

I think we could really have something special, but I'm not that sold on Shanle . So far, I like Ware and James alot at LB. If Burnett turns out good, great, otherwise, we need another OLB.

I wouldnt mind us drafting a QB and grooming him to play in 2007, especially with Bledsoe not having more than 1 or 2 good years left, IMO.

[Hostile]

So we are back to square one again...

2 Positions held this team hostage last year

Kicker and Offensive Tackle.

I think a Tackle makes a bigger splash then a Linebacker does for this next year.I don't agree given the main LB need is ILB who is responsible for defensive play calls.

[MichaelWinicki]

I hope and pray we have this dilemma to worry about. I said it is a LB deep draft. I think I'd roll the dice a stud LB will drop. Still leaves a gap at FS if we grab LB in the 2nd.

I think the return of Flo and another year together makes our OL better than some think. That includes Rivera who disappointed me greatly.

Someone said don't take OG in round 1, but if that OG is Max Jean-Gilles I think I'd love it.

Dunno about that one Hos. The guy is huge, but speed is a real problem for him. Someone that's 6'4", 360... scares me to death.

[Hostile]

Dunno about that one Hos. The guy is huge, but speed is a real problem for him. Someone that's 6'4", 360... scares me to death.I wanna see him squash people.

[MichaelWinicki]

So we are back to square one again...

2 Positions held this team hostage last year

Kicker and Offensive Tackle.

I think a Tackle makes a bigger splash then a Linebacker does for this next year.


But I think an ILB has a much better chance to start on this team.

[MichaelWinicki]

I wanna see him squash people.


If Larry Allen or Rivera hang them up after this season I would agree.

But if neither does, the last thing I would want to see happen is the spending of a 1st round pick on a guy that isn't going to play in '06.

[BrAinPaiNt]

But I think an ILB has a much better chance to start on this team.

Do you think it would be easier to find an exp ILB in FA that could fit in?

Compared to finding say a top notch OT.

In otherwords...what is easier to get in FA, what do teams let go when they have a decent player...A LB or an OT?

Now that is not saying....we HAVE to have an OT in the draft....just saying if there is a top notch OT on the board and a Top notch LB on the board....this year I go OT.

[Hostile]

If Larry Allen or Rivera hang them up after this season I would agree.

But if neither does, the last thing I would want to see happen is the spending of a 1st round pick on a guy that isn't going to play in '06.Valid point.

[Hostile]

Do you think it would be easier to find an exp ILB in FA that could fit in?

Compared to finding say a top notch OT.

In otherwords...what is easier to get in FA, what do teams let go when they have a decent player...A LB or an OT?

Now that is not saying....we HAVE to have an OT in the draft....just saying if there is a top notch OT on the board and a Top notch LB on the board....this year I go OT.The FA ILB positions look thin as pancakes to me BP.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The FA ILB positions look thin as pancakes to me BP.


Is it thinner than OT? I have not really looked at too much of the FA lists.

Sure this is all speculation... and a thousand things can happen between now and then.

[MichaelWinicki]

The FA ILB positions look thin as pancakes to me BP.


And at this point I don't see any OT's available at 20 that don't have some flaws. Most of which appear to be strength issues... essentially we could end up with a slightly better OT than what Rob P is presently but I still think given a rigorous off-season that this kid will come in next year far better prepared and would give us more game than what a 1st year, 1st round OT would... especially someone picked up around the 20th slot.

[MichaelWinicki]

Is it thinner than OT? I have not really looked at too much of the FA lists.

Sure this is all speculation... and a thousand things can happen between now and then.


I don't see us picking up an expensive RT... I really do not.

I think they bank on Petitti/Tucker improving more... Flo coming back and perhaps grabbing someone in Rd. 2.

[BrAinPaiNt]

And at this point I don't see any OT's available at 20 that don't have some flaws. Most of which appear to be strength issues... essentially we could end up with a slightly better OT than what Rob P is presently but I still think given a rigorous off-season that this kid will come in next year far better prepared and would give us more game than what a 1st year, 1st round OT would... especially someone picked up around the 20th slot.


Even if a 1st round OT is a little lacking in some strength areas, and Rob had a great turn around in the offseason.

I somehow doubt that if the 1st round pick is anywhere close to being as good as his draft status...he would be worse off.

[MichaelWinicki]

If we do hold our 1st round choice, I want a guy that can start... unless we pick up another QB (which I'm not big on).

Right now the biggest holes where a guy could come in and start are FS and ILB.

If Flo wasn't coming back I would put OT at the top of the list.

[ddh33]

I think Rob is going to get every shot to succeed here, and I'm betting that he will. Flozell comes back and assumes his spot. Maybe you get depth there, but I don't think Dallas will go all out...

To be honest, I'm just as concerned with the aging guards.

But I can completely understand the idea of building as dominant defense. I would like to have one more playmaking linebacker on this team, and hope that Burnett comes along like I think he will.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't see us picking up an expensive RT... I really do not.

I think they bank on Petitti/Tucker improving more... Flo coming back and perhaps grabbing someone in Rd. 2.


Who says it has to be a RT only?

If the best player on the board is an OT...I say we take them.

By far we need help on the o-line...even if the kid has to play backup till he is ready or has to play some OG some.

We need insurance on the O-Line...we don't know if Rob will come back better, we don't know if Rivera will return to the form prior to his signing.

If you can get a cornerstone type of player or even a darn good OT...you take him IMO unless you are full of those on your team.

You can find a way to get him on the line if he is worth his salt, even if it is just for a time being until he can play in his natural position.

IMO this team has been held hostage by the Kicker and the Oline this year....we need to shore up the o-line some and we can get a kicker via FA.


NOW with all of that being said....if a very good player is sitting there (say LB, FS, WR) and the next OT is just not worthy of the pick...than take the other player.

[MichaelWinicki]

Even if a 1st round OT is a little lacking in some strength areas, and Rob had a great turn around in the offseason.

I somehow doubt that if the 1st round pick is anywhere close to being as good as his draft status...he would be worse off.


OT's in the first round scare the bejesus out of me. Especially when you are picking at that point in the first round. If one of the top three fell down to #20... I would consider it. But if you have to settle for the 4th or 5th best tackle... forget it.

Give me a higher rated ILB or FS instead.

[Hostile]

Is it thinner than OT? I have not really looked at too much of the FA lists.

Sure this is all speculation... and a thousand things can happen between now and then.No, it isn't as thin IMO.

Agreed on how much can still happen.

[MichaelWinicki]

Who says it has to be a RT only?

If the best player on the board is an OT...I say we take them.

By far we need help on the o-line...even if the kid has to play backup till he is ready or has to play some OG some.

We need insurance on the O-Line...we don't know if Rob will come back better, we don't know if Rivera will return to the form prior to his signing.

If you can get a cornerstone type of player or even a darn good OT...you take him IMO unless you are full of those on your team.

You can find a way to get him on the line if he is worth his salt, even if it is just for a time being until he can play in his natural position.

IMO this team has been held hostage by the Kicker and the Oline this year....we need to shore up the o-line some and we can get a kicker via FA.


NOW with all of that being said....if a very good player is sitting there (say LB, FS, WR) and the next OT is just not worthy of the pick...than take the other player.

Brain I just don't think you're going to get a tackle at #20 that's going to knock your socks off... I really don't.

[Hostile]

If we do hold our 1st round choice, I want a guy that can start... unless we pick up another QB (which I'm not big on).

Right now the biggest holes where a guy could come in and start are FS and ILB.

If Flo wasn't coming back I would put OT at the top of the list.I'd jump all over a QB in round 1 if one of the top 3 fell like Aaron Rodgers did. Given the teams that need QB this year i don't see it happening.

[Cowboy Lover]

I'd like to see us score more points on defense.We had a few gimmies, but I saw too few forced turnovers for scores. We did a couple years ago, butnot now.

A few more playmakers...maybe on that line...might just do that.


Don't we need a few hosses on our O-line?

[Bob Sacamano]

...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.

If we had a Carson Palmer (just using him as an example) at QB I'd feel differently. I'd want a triplets scenario like Indy. I'd want lots of receiving options. I'd want to build an unstoppable offense with a bulldozer O-line.

We're not near that point here yet.

Therefore I focus the Free Agency period on Offense and getting a solid Kicker and I try and finish building a defense that destroys teams through the draft.

I'm very much a proponent of a balance of youth and veteran experience, but in the case of our defense I think it best we plug the holes and go for the long run.

Nothing would please me more than to build an offense around an elite QB again. I still believe one of our backups could be that guy, but there's no evidence to support that right now. Give Bledsoe more wily veterans around him for support and stockpile the defense with playmakers who will keep us in the game for a season or 2 until they build a chemistry that equals elite status.

That's what I would do. I'll understand if you disagree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why.

all I gotta say is

shore up the Oline, and let the rest fall as it may, whether it be via the draft or FA

did I tell you guys that I like Tom Ashworth and Jeff Mitchell in Free Agency?;)

[Hostile]

all I gotta say is

shore up the Oline, and let the rest fall as it may, whether it be via the draft or FA

did I tell you guys that I like Tom Ashworth and Jeff Mitchell in Free Agency?;)I definitely have my eye on Ashworth. Haven't thought Mitchell yet.

[Bob Sacamano]

Don't we need a few hosses on our O-line?

a few? hehe

[Jimz31]

I'm also leaning to the side of the arguement that says that it all begins on the line....both offensively and defensively.

OL and DL should be our area of concentration IF a QB isn't going to be.

[Bob Sacamano]

I think we can hold off on DL until the later rounds

[BrAinPaiNt]

Brain I just don't think you're going to get a tackle at #20 that's going to knock your socks off... I really don't.

I doubt it happens either to be honest....I was just wasting time at work. :D

[Hostile]

I'm also leaning to the side of the arguement that says that it all begins on the line....both offensively and defensively.

OL and DL should be our area of concentration IF a QB isn't going to be.On D whether it is a 4-3 or a 3-4, everyone who plays the front 7 plays up on the LOS at some point.

[MichaelWinicki]

I doubt it happens either to be honest....I was just wasting time at work. :D

No wonder you're my hero! :)

[Hostile]

I want to once agian apologize to Charles that we have a 10+ page thread that does not have his favorite topic as the subject. I always feel like we let him down when other things draw as much interest.

[BrAinPaiNt]

No wonder you're my hero! :)

You need new heros. :laugh1:

[Sasquatch]

I would modify the strategy somewhat. Draft for the middle positions (lines, interior backers) for ongoing continuity and acquire peripheral players through free agency.

[Clove]

We gave up leads several times in the last few minutes on defense. A great front 7 would not have allowed Denver to make it to over time, not to mention the long run to mr Larry Johnson.

A great front 7 would not have allowed the Raiders to be in the game down the stretch making big run after big run. A great front 7 would not have allowed the giants to control the LOS with Tiki, that cost us opportunities on offense.

A great front 7 would not have allowed Portis to set the tone with his tough running, thus forcing us to play catch up in which we're not in position to do.

A great front 7 would probably have caused twice as many turnovers, leaving us in much better field position in every game we lost.

Our defense is not ready, we need Ahmad Brooks or Ngata and things will change. Our offense has put up points in every game, regardless of the tackle position. I know we need a tackle (badly) and we can get a Tackle their are plenty on the board. Plenty in the 2nd and 3rd, and like I said before, we could easily use Ellis or Glover for trade bait to pick up another 2nd/3rd.

I say strengthen the defense.

[MichaelWinicki]

You need new heros. :laugh1:


I was thinking "Juke" but you can understand why I didn't go that direction. ;)

[MichaelWinicki]

I want to once agian apologize to Charles that we have a 10+ page thread that does not have his favorite topic as the subject. I always feel like we let him down when other things draw as much interest.


I was hoping he'd make an appearance and do that mind-reading trick for us. ;)

I'm always interested in what you're really thinking about things Hos. :)

[cml750]

Very good idea hos. With Bill's track record with drafting offensive linemen it sounds even better. He has done a good job of defensive drafting.

[Juke99]

I was thinking "Juke" but you can understand why I didn't go that direction. ;)


*tapping foot*

Oh, please do explain.

[mr.jameswoods]

My draft philosophy is to draft the best player available and not necessarily for need. It depends on what players are available. So I don't disagree with your idea of drafting a defensive player if the best player available happens to be a player on defense. I also don't like to take risks by drafting players with a history of injuries. I like players who faced challenging competition in college. I think there is something to said for why players in the SEC and the University of Miami excel in the NFL so yes school pedigree does speak volumes in my opinion. Finally, maturity and intelligence is more important to me than raw skill or athleticism. Any player who was able to be drafted in the NFL has the physicial ability to play in the NFL. However, the mental game is what separates the best players from the average one.

[Maikeru-sama]

I don't agree given the main LB need is ILB who is responsible for defensive play calls.

Okay...agree to disagree.

Only time will tell.

- Mike G.

[MichaelWinicki]

*tapping foot*

Oh, please do explain.


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

I was just trying to make Brain feel a little better about himself. I mean he does sometimes have that inferiority complex that you've often talked about. :)

[Juke99]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

I was just trying to make Brain feel a little better about himself. I mean he does sometimes have that inferiority complex that you've often talked about. :)


You mean like the superiority complex that you've often mentioned you feel Reality has?

[Jay9508]

i would, defense wins championships

[Cbz40]

You mean like the superiority complex that you've often mentioned you feel Reality has?


Ummmmmmmmmmmmm this is getting serious........ :D

[Juke99]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm this is getting serious........ :D


He started.

He always starts. ;)

[Cbz40]

He started.

He always starts. ;)


I know but, Haven't you learned by now that w/winicki sometime it's best just to turn the other cheek. :rolleyes: :)

[Juke99]

I know but, Haven't you learned by now that w/winicki sometime it's best just to turn the other cheek. :rolleyes: :)


Knowing his reputation, yeah, I would never want either of my cheeks to be facing him...

[MichaelWinicki]

You mean like the superiority complex that you've often mentioned you feel Reality has?


Does he still make you refer to him as "Sir" Reality?

[MichaelWinicki]

He started.

He always starts. ;)


:eek:

[MichaelWinicki]

Knowing his reputation, yeah, I would never want either of my cheeks to be facing him...


That isn't what you said when you stuffed that $20 down my bra...er... shirt. :)

[The30YardSlant]

That isn't what you said when you stuffed that $20 down my bra...er... shirt. :)

:puke:

[MichaelWinicki]

:puke:


LOL!

Hey HH31... don't be giving us that!

Juke showed us those photos of you and those farm animals. ;)

[Hostile]

Okay...agree to disagree.

Only time will tell.

- Mike G.You know I'm going to baptize you to the Defense don't you Mike?

[The30YardSlant]

LOL!

Hey HH31... don't be giving us that!

Juke showed us those photos of you and those farm animals. ;)

:zipit:

[MichaelWinicki]

You know I'm going to baptize you to the Defense don't you Mike?


Hos, I think it comes down to two different groups on this board... One doesn't think Rob Petitti can be the long-term answer at RT and they of course want a solution in round 1.

Then there is the other side that think he can be a serviceable tackle with a dedicated offseason... and they see a greater need at some other position like LB.

I think Petitti is the lynch-pin for not just our draft but our entire FA period.

[MichaelWinicki]

:zipit:


LOL!

Laughter is good HH31... and laughter at yourself is even better. :)

[Hostile]

Hos, I think it comes down to two different groups on this board... One doesn't think Rob Petitti can be the long-term answer at RT and they of course want a solution in round 1.

Then there is the other side that think he can be a serviceable tackle with a dedicated offseason... and they see a greater need at some other position like LB.

I think Petitti is the lynch-pin for not just our draft but our entire FA period.A couple of years ago the Cardinals had an O-line that consisted of 5 guys all drafted round 2 and higher. You'd think they would be dominant. Not so at all. In fact they were a huge disappointment. A couple are still on the team and starting but have under achieved.

Our best O-line ever was a patchwork group of guys including a converted DT at LT, and an undrafted LG.

I'd look for a better O-line coach (Sparano hasn't impressed me) first before giving up on our starting 5. If giving up on any of the starting 5 I'd look to FA first.

The potential to improve is already there. I can't say the same at ILB or FS and if Glover is 86ed I can't say it for the interior of the DL either.

[Hostile]

LOL!

Laughter is good HH31... and laughter at yourself is even better. :)yeah, we're not laughing with you HH, we're laughing at you.


That'll cheer him up you watch.

[Avery]

I just read all 14 pages of this thread.

What were we talking about again?

[The30YardSlant]

yeah, we're not laughing with you HH, we're laughing at you.


That'll cheer him up you watch.

:thumbup:

[The30YardSlant]

I just read all 14 pages of this thread.

What were we talking about again?

I'm not sure, but I probably got owned at some point in this thread... :)

[Hostile]

I just read all 14 pages of this thread.

What were we talking about again?It sort of depends on which page you read. There's a lot of mania here. It's not all my fault, but you could start the finger pointing at me.





I'll deny at culpability but it's a place to start.

[Hostile]

I'm not sure, but I probably got owned at some point in this thread... :)Apparently by a farm animal.

[MichaelWinicki]

A couple of years ago the Cardinals had an O-line that consisted of 5 guys all drafted round 2 and higher. You'd think they would be dominant. Not so at all. In fact they were a huge disappointment. A couple are still on the team and starting but have under achieved.

Our best O-line ever was a patchwork group of guys including a converted DT at LT, and an undrafted LG.

I'd look for a better O-line coach (Sparano hasn't impressed me) first before giving up on our starting 5. If giving up on any of the starting 5 I'd look to FA first.

The potential to improve is already there. I can't say the same at ILB or FS and if Glover is 86ed I can't say it for the interior of the DL either.


I agree 100%. How many 1st rounders on Denver's OL? Coaching, coaching, coaching...

I firmly believe that with a good offseason that Petitti can give us more than any of the first round tackles that go in round 1. Outside of QB, I don't think there is a more difficult learning curve in the NFL than offensive tackle.

And in a lot of ways I'm as disappointed in our linebackers as I am our O-line. Not with all of them of course. But Shanle, even as huge as he is :rolleyes: and Fujita to a lesser degree haven't impressed me.

[MichaelWinicki]

Apparently by a farm animal.


Hey it works for Brain. ;)

[Avery]

It sort of depends on which page you read. There's a lot of mania here. It's not all my fault, but you could start the finger pointing at me.





I'll deny at culpability but it's a place to start.

I would point a finger but it seems to have been dislocated with all the mouse clicking. Perhaps it's just arthritis, carpal tunnel, the plague, I don't know, I'm not Eskimo.

Now I know what CBZ feels like.

[The30YardSlant]

Apparently by a farm animal.

https://webspace.utexas.edu/lec328/www/Image11.jpg

[Avery]

Oh right, the draft.

Depends on who's available where. Do you pass up a top flight OT for a second-rate FS? Probably not.

Personally, I feel that it's time we get a ballhawking FS and let the playmakers (Ware, RW) roam. Turn them loose, create havoc. That's something Bill has been tentative to do.

We need to ditch the conservatism and let it all hang out.

[Hostile]

Oh right, the draft.

Depends on who's available where. Do you pass up a top flight OT for a second-rate FS? Probably not.

Personally, I feel that it's time we get a ballhawking FS and let the playmakers (Ware, RW) roam. Turn them loose, create havoc. That's something Bill has been tentative to do.

We need to ditch the conservatism and let it all hang out.If Haloti Ngata is there when we pick and they don't jump all over it I will personally need you to bail me out of jail for whipping some Fish's arse.

[Avery]

If Haloti Ngata is there when we pick and they don't jump all over it I will personally need you to bail me out of jail for whipping some Fish's arse.

It will probably be a moot point - Ngati is one of those guys who is only going to have their draft status elevated as the deadline nears. His triangle numbers and interviews will guarantee him top 10. He may even break top 5; 6'5", 340 lb. DT's with 4.8 speed don't grow on trees.

[Hostile]

It will probably be a moot point - Ngati is one of those guys who is only going to have their draft status elevated as the deadline nears. His triangle numbers and interviews will guarantee him top 10. He may even break top 5; 6'5", 340 lb. DT's with 4.8 speed don't grow on trees.I know that. I'm betting he does at least 35 reps on the bench too. His stock will soar.

[Avery]

Personally, a couple of guys I like in the 20's is your boy Laron from LSU and Huff from the Horns. Both are going to be great FS in this league.

[Hostile]

Personally, a couple of guys I like in the 20's is your boy Laron from LSU and Huff from the Horns. Both are going to be great FS in this league.Now you're talking my langauge.

[The30YardSlant]

The defensive guys I would really love to get are Hawk, Nhagti, or Huff. Landry just doesnt do it for me, Huff seems like the more sure fire pick

[Clove]

I know that. I'm betting he does at least 35 reps on the bench too. His stock will soar.Trade Ellis and your number 1 to move up and get him, he's a monster and you won't lose a draft pick. He won't be here anyways.

Think of it like this, you're getting Ngata for Ellis.

[Maikeru-sama]

You know I'm going to baptize you to the Defense don't you Mike?

Yes sir

You know you are probably right but hey....there is no wall around...so I need to argue with someone :D .

[Hostile]

Yes sir

You know you are probably right but hey....there is no wall around...so I need to argue with someone :D .Beats looking at a 2006 roster filled with agendas.

:wink2:

[Maikeru-sama]

Beats looking at a 2006 roster filled with agendas.

:wink2:


Hahahahahahaha

I was surprised you, DBair or BlindZebra hadnt raided that sucker yet.

Nors is cool though. Every thread he starts ends up being 19 pages long and keeps things popping around here.

- Mike G.

[Rack Bauer]

Some Of You Will Disagree...



...but on Day 1 of the 2006 Draft I'd go Defense heavy again unless there is an unbelievable talent there.


I don't necessarily disagree. I say we take the best player available. If it's a WR, draft the WR. If it's a tackle, take the tackle. If it's a LB, take the LB. If there is not "clear cut" BPA (between, say, 3 or 4 players) at our slot then take the one we need most.

[Hostile]

Hahahahahahaha

I was surprised you, DBair or BlindZebra hadnt raided that sucker yet.

Nors is cool though. Every thread he starts ends up being 19 pages long and keeps things popping around here.

- Mike G.It wasn't worthy of a response.

[Maikeru-sama]

It wasn't worthy of a response.

Seriously though...

Let's just say Nors is right.

What would think about the Roster he put together?

[Glenn Carano]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/ncaa/specials/bowls/2005/12/28/bc.fbc.t25.notredamenot.ap/

[Hostile]

Seriously though...

Let's just say Nors is right.

What would think about the Roster he put together?I didn't look at it close enough to give an opinion. I looked for 2 things. Is Law on it, is Henson gone. Not worth the effort beyond verifying those 2 things.

[Sarge]

I guess it all depends on the FA's we bring in or let go before the draft.


Simple as that. I don't know how anyone can predict what we do in the first round until FA has passed.

[Tio]

Has he ever played a 3-4 before? I don't think so.

I question his motivation and attitude as well.

Not only that he is represented by the Postons. That exlcudes him right there in the eyes of Valley Ranch.I think he did at maryland. I'm not sure. But, his physical atrributes translate to a perfect LOLB in the 3-4.

If BP thinks it will work, then pull the trigger.

[Tio]

Even if a 1st round OT is a little lacking in some strength areas, and Rob had a great turn around in the offseason.

I somehow doubt that if the 1st round pick is anywhere close to being as good as his draft status...he would be worse off.IMO, we can't get away without getting a ROT or LOT (and move adams) this season. Maybe tucker and rob can be good backups, but to give them another chance without doing anything with the position would be suicide.

[ghst187]

I think we HAVE to get LeCharles Bentley in at Center. Bentley is the missing link, esp when Flo comes back.
After watching JJ go in the last game, i think we may need to resign Gurode also.
I think we should strongly consider Chaveous at FS also. A kicker would be nice too but at this point i have no doubt it will a top FA priority, however i don't expect Vinateri to end up in Dallas.
I think we have to go BPA in the draft with the few parameters of relative need positions: WR, LB, S, OL, K...(the guy from Colorado is the best one in college)
Here's may DC draft board based on value, where we'll likely be selecting, and realism...in order of how we should draft in the first round:
1) WR Santonio Holmes: He can be a gamebreaker, can return kicks in a big way, can stretch the defense at WR, runs excellent routes, and has great hands. I think he will be an impact player somewhere.
2) LB Bobby Carpenter: beautiful fit at our ILB position, great player
3) OT McNeil: Too good a player to pass up, instant starter, instant depth at OL, all of a sudden we're huge AND deep on the OL
4) DE/LB Dumervil: same mold as Ware, hybrid DE/LB that can get after the QB.
5) S Laron Landry: flat out playmaker, best S I saw all season.
There'll be some more names come out but that's how I see it right now.

Overrated/underrated:
1) Over: DT Ngata
2) Under: RB Maroney
3) Over: Vince Young
4) Under: DeAngelo Williams