The redskins better enjoy this season...

[The30YardSlant]

Because next year reality will come crashing down. Their current salary cap number for next seaosn is expected to be up over 120 million, highest in the league. Let's see Danny Boy squirm out of this impending debacle...

[1fisher]

Because next year reality will come crashing down. Their current salary cap number for next seaosn is expected to be up over 120 million, highest in the league. Let's see Danny Boy squirm out of this impending debacle...


Tags is a skins fan so you can bet danny will be able to manuever his way around this mess.........

:starspin :starspin :starspin

[Yeagermeister]

He always manages to some how squeeze through and make some signings. How I don't know.

[kingwhicker]

Tags is a skins fan so you can bet danny will be able to manuever his way around this mess.........

:starspin :starspin :starspin
No doubt. They won't be affected whatsoever- we've been through this how many times?

[1fisher]

No doubt. They won't be affected whatsoever- we've been through this how many times?

year in and year out it's the same thing...... who will they release in order to get below the magic number?

[Yeagermeister]

year in and year out it's the same thing...... who will they release in order to get below the magic number?
Yeah but then they sign someone who has a bigger cap number.

[1fisher]

Yeah but then they sign someone who has a bigger cap number.


I hope Danny goes after TO this offseason!!!!!!

[Big Country]

The Skins #1 draft pick in the next college draft belongs to Denver, plus they are going to lose Gregg Williams to a HC job next year... My money says Williams will either coach in Houston or Detroit.

[aznhalf]

When they went on there spending sprees in the previous years they backloaded a lot of their contracts. They'll be restructuring a lot of those or just flat our releasing players.

Not to mention Arrington will be taking up around 12 mil, and by trading or releasing him the prorated bonus will only save them a mil or two off that number (I think).

[Goredskins]

Sweeeeeeeeep!!!!!!!!:D

[AbeBeta]

Tags is a skins fan so you can bet danny will be able to manuever his way around this mess.........

:starspin :starspin :starspin

You really think that being able to work around the cap has anything to do with the commish? that's just stupid. if we were in the same spot we would have the same opportunities.

You can work around the cap very easily -- and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do so. The reason why Skin cap #s are so high is that they have a number of backloaded contracts. For example, if they cut Lavar Arrington, as has been widely reported, they are going to end up saving a ton of $$. Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, Cornellius Griffith, Mark Brunell, John Jansen, Chris Samuels, Casey Rabach, Santana Moss, and Clinton Portis all have deals that escalate considerably next year. Some of those guys get cut, some get new deals. Cutting, Arrington frees a ton of $$.

They have work to do but anyone who thinks they are in cap hell is mistaken. They set up contracts in such a way so that they would be forced to rework deals this off-season.

[Goredskins]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.

[AbeBeta]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.

I think the smack talk is directed at how poorly you manage your cap.

[silver]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.
i don't either. bitterness? envy? anyways, hope you guys rot in salary cap hell.

[The30YardSlant]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.

Because Dallas has made a custom out of whipping the foreskins over the years. Any team that holds a 20 game all-time series lead over you has every right to talk smack.

Oh, and then there's this:

5 championships > 3 championships

[Goredskins]

I think the smack talk is directed at how poorly you manage your cap.

We must have managed it well enought to beat dallas twice LOL.

[Goredskins]

Because Dallas has made a custom out of whipping the foreskins over the years. Any team that holds a 20 game all-time series lead over you has every right to talk smack.

Oh, and then there's this:

5 championships > 3 championships

Who won just 11 days ago.


Redskins 35
Cowboys 7 We have the bragging rights now.

[silver]

We must have managed it well enought to beat dallas twice LOL.
:bastid:

[The30YardSlant]

We must have managed it well enought to beat dallas twice LOL.

Simply amazing....

Dallas sweeps you 7 of the past 8 years, holds a 20 game series lead, has had a much more successful franchise over the years, has the largest fanbase of any team in professional american sports, and yet the Redskins still think they can run their mouths.

One of the greatest examples of pen!s envy known to man

[The30YardSlant]

Who won just 11 days ago.


Redskins 35
Cowboys 7 We have the bragging rights now.

What's funny is, while Dallas was making a tradition out of beating Washington like it was nothing, Dallas fans took the wins and just kept going. See, thats the difference between our fanbases. Dallas fans expect to beat washington and dont think its a big deal when we do. Washington fans,. on the other hand, act like they've just won the superbowl everytime they beat us (which is a rare occasion these days).

[Goredskins]

Simply amazing....

Dallas sweeps you 7 of the past 8 years, holds a 20 game series lead, has had a much more successful franchise over the years, has the largest fanbase of any team in professional american sports, and yet the Redskins still think they can run their mouths.

One of the greatest examples of pen!s envy known to man

Dallas fan that lives in the past. I know since you didnt beat us this year you have to go back in the past to talk about your glory years. We can run our mouths this year. We whipped you.

[Goredskins]

What's funny is, while Dallas was making a tradition out of beating Washington like it was nothing, Dallas fans took the wins and just kept going. See, thats the difference between our fanbases. Dallas fans expect to beat washington and dont think its a big deal when we do. Washington fans,. on the other hand, act like they've just won the superbowl everytime they beat us (which is a rare occasion these days).

Twice in one year is a rare occasion, now ive heard everything. No we expect to beat dallas everytime we play them now because you guys didnt show up the second game and the first game you had us then lost it, priceless!

[CrazyCowboy]

Because next year reality will come crashing down. Their current salary cap number for next seaosn is expected to be up over 120 million, highest in the league. Let's see Danny Boy squirm out of this impending debacle...

Why do I hate the deadskins? Let me count the ways......

[silver]

Dallas fan that lives in the past. I know since you didnt beat us this year you have to go back in the past to talk about your glory years. We can run our mouths this year. We whipped you.
enjoy it while it lasts. hope we se each other in the playoffs.

[Big Country]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.


enjoy the last victory. enjoy it immensly. replay it. point and laugh. gloat and pat each other on the back, because it is actually a once and a lifetime fluke. don't think it will ever happen again because it wont. enjoy your one season of glory because Cowboy fans still talk about 3 Redskunk wins out of every game since 1997. get a streak like that and then come back and gloat. one of my favorite Skunk whippings was the 27-0 clobbering of the Redskunks in 2003 where Troy Hambrick looked like Walter Payton for one game. Thanks for the memories.

:D

[dstew60105]

Dallas fan that lives in the past. I know since you didnt beat us this year you have to go back in the past to talk about your glory years. We can run our mouths this year. We whipped you.


Glory years? How about last year? How about 14 out of the last 17 times we've played eachother. Hey congrats on your season sweep, but let's at least be realistic.

[dstew60105]

enjoy the last victory. enjoy it immensly. replay it. point and laugh. gloat and pat each other on the back, because it is actually a once and a lifetime fluke. don't think it will ever happen again because it wont. enjoy your one season of glory because Cowboy fans still talk about 3 Redskunk wins out of every game since 1997. get a streak like that and then come back and gloat. one of my favorite Skunk whippings was the 27-0 clobbering of the Redskunks in 2003 where Troy Hambrick looked like Walter Payton for one game. Thanks for the memories.

:D


Another great victory was the 13-3 win at RFK when we went 1-15. One of the worst teams ever assembled and we still managed to beat the Foreskins.

[Goredskins]

Dallas fans are just bitter they lost to us twice.

[AbeBeta]

Dallas fans are just bitter they lost to us twice.

If you want to talk smack you be sure to come back Sunday night after you lay an egg in Philly -- ok? Fair is fair.

[The30YardSlant]

Dallas fans are just bitter they lost to us twice.

Yeah, we're bitter because we are the far superior franchise, have achieved more than your pathetic excuse for a team can ever hope for, and we did it all without homos and drag queens for fans.

[BrAinPaiNt]

So...how does that hook feel in your mouths after that redskins troll went fishing.

[burmafrd]

just love the dumb skin troll- we have OWNED the Skins for years- this year they win two and suddenly that is all that matters. Perfect example of low class and why they will probably NEVER win another SB. I mean a team that got wasted 36-0 and looked even worse then the score really has no room to talk smack about ANY other team.

[Goredskins]

Im not trying to troll but dallas fans started the argument.

[BrAinPaiNt]

We must have managed it well enought to beat dallas twice LOL.


Now...hold your tongue sodomite or I will be forced to smite thee.

:D

[FLcowboy]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.

Kind of the way Skins fans talked smack the last ten years. Sometimes you have to go on and make believe it was an aberation.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Im not trying to troll but dallas fans started the argument.


Quit lying.

[1fisher]

You really think that being able to work around the cap has anything to do with the commish? that's just stupid. if we were in the same spot we would have the same opportunities.

You can work around the cap very easily -- and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do so. The reason why Skin cap #s are so high is that they have a number of backloaded contracts. For example, if they cut Lavar Arrington, as has been widely reported, they are going to end up saving a ton of $$. Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, Cornellius Griffith, Mark Brunell, John Jansen, Chris Samuels, Casey Rabach, Santana Moss, and Clinton Portis all have deals that escalate considerably next year. Some of those guys get cut, some get new deals. Cutting, Arrington frees a ton of $$.

They have work to do but anyone who thinks they are in cap hell is mistaken. They set up contracts in such a way so that they would be forced to rework deals this off-season.

chill out tight wad..... there was sarcasm in that post..... I guess I need to put a smiley in there so you can "get it"......huh?

[AbeBeta]

Im not trying to troll but dallas fans started the argument.

actually we were discussing the cap situation. We were having an intelligent discussion before you jumped in. Maybe you don't know what that looks like after spending all your time over at extremeskins. If you read the posts you would see that some of us Cowboy fans (e.g., me) argued that the Skin cap situation wasn't that bad.

Perhaps I'm stupid for assuming Skins fans can actually read.

[Goredskins]

Skins have beaten everyone in this division this year. No way Mike Mcmahon beats us Sunday.

[AbeBeta]

chill out tight wad..... there was sarcasm in that post..... I guess I need to put a smiley in there so you can "get it"......huh?

dude, I embody sarcasm. if you do it right you a) don't need a smiley and b) people get it.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Skins have beaten everyone in this division this year. No way Mike Mcmahon beats us Sunday.


Pssst...the topic at hand is the future cap problems, or lack of problems, for the Redskins next year.

Not whether they can or can not beat the eagles...for that one go to another thread.

[1fisher]

dude, I embody sarcasm. if you do it right you a) don't need a smiley and b) people get it.


apparently you didn't get it because you were the only one to respond with a hundred word paragraph! :D

[SultanOfSix]

Wait a second. The Skins cap number is 120 million, yet it's not that bad for next year. Isn't it like 96 million this year? So what is the cap hike supposed to be for next year and to what value?

[AbeBeta]

apparently you didn't get it because you were the only one to respond with a hundred word paragraph! :D

given that other people said stuff like this

He always manages to some how squeeze through and make some signings. How I don't know.

No doubt. They won't be affected whatsoever- we've been through this how many times?

i thought that I could clarify the cap situation. but I guess some of you prefer to think the skins somehow magically get under the cap.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wait a second. The Skins cap number is 120 million, yet it's not that bad for next year. Isn't it like 96 million this year? So what is the cap hike supposed to be for next year and to what value?


I don't know the exact number but it is going to be higher then they were expecting earlier.

Plus you gotta remember they will trim some of those players off of the cap, they do not have a 1st round pick to worry about either.

[1fisher]

given that other people said stuff like this



i thought that I could clarify the cap situation. but I guess some of you prefer to think the skins somehow magically get under the cap.


I don't need anyone to clarify their cap situation for me...... I just know that for the last few years they have gone into the offseason over the cap and they always seem to get under before the season starts. Cutting players and eating the cap dollars is one way but surely it will catch up to them sooner or later. I am not stupid enough to believe that Tags helps them out of trouble......geez... :bang2:

[AbeBeta]

Wait a second. The Skins cap number is 120 million, yet it's not that bad for next year. Isn't it like 96 million this year? So what is the cap hike supposed to be for next year and to what value?

it isn't the cap hike -- it is that so many of the player's deals are inflated next year -- most teams work deals like that to set a parameter for redoing the deal or forcing a decision on whether to keep the player. I don't know why reporters make such a huge deal out of this -- either they don't understand cap management or they pretend not to so they can have something to write about.

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

I don't think an operation even as bushleague as Houston ever makes a signing without considering all present and future cap ramifications. Year after year we see teams in horrible cap situations (including, but not limited to, Washington), and quite often they get out of it because it's all been planned in advance. Even back in his zenith of awful/expensive signings, Snyder and the people around him showed they understand the cap.

A month ago we'd have called Washington a re-building team without even looking at the cap ... now all of a sudden they're playing some ball and everyone's grasping for straws to undermine them. Relax, they may not even make it past Philly, in which case everyone can go back to making fun of them for something legit -- i.e. losing.

[AbeBeta]

I don't need anyone to clarify their cap situation for me...... I just know that for the last few years they have gone into the offseason over the cap and they always seem to get under before the season starts. Cutting players and eating the cap dollars is one way but surely it will catch up to them sooner or later. I am not stupid enough to believe that Tags helps them out of trouble......geez... :bang2:

sorry for bringing actual INFORMATION to the table.

i'll just follow your lead in the future and post stupid crap.

[The30YardSlant]

BTW, next year's cap will be around 100 million

[AbeBeta]

Even back in his zenith of awful/expensive signings, Snyder and the people around him showed they understand the cap.


Zenith -- now there is a good word. Of course, most of the board thinks you are talking about television.

[jimmy40]

Who won just 11 days ago.


Redskins 35
Cowboys 7 We have the bragging rights now.Yes you do. Props, enjoy them until will meet again.

[1fisher]

sorry for bringing actual INFORMATION to the table.

i'll just follow your lead in the future and post stupid crap.

no need to apologize to me....... some of the other posters might have needed your clarification....

you must be having a bad day??? :D

[Fan21]

I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.

The Boys on the other hand have A LOT of question marks at many positions on the field as well as head coach. They don't have a QB, a reliable RB, an O-line, a K, or much at WR. I doubt Parcells will be back.

Unless something big happens this offseason, the Skins, Bears, and Seahawks are going to be the big favorites in the NFC next year.

[The30YardSlant]

I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.

The Boys on the other hand have A LOT of question marks at many positions on the field as well as head coach. They don't have a QB, a reliable RB, an O-line, a K, or much at WR. I doubt Parcells will be back.

Unless something big happens this offseason, the Skins, Bears, and Seahawks are going to be the big favorites in the NFC next year.

No they wont :rolleyes:

They will lose Arrington

Brunell can only go so long, and Ramsey is nothing special

Dallas has far more depth and security at WR than Washington does

Julius Jones is a reliable runningback

Parcells will likely be back

The Cowboys, Redskins, and Giants are the class of the NFC East, and are all essentially the same team. Team's with a lot of talent but very inconsistant on a week to week basis.

[calico]

We must have managed it well enought to beat dallas twice LOL.


I think Cowboys fans can talk all the **** they want about the Redskins considering Skins fans did worse over the past 8 years when they did not come close to winning a season series...get off your high horse.

[Fan21]

If they're all the same team, then why are only 2 of them going to be in the playoffs?

[cowboysfan84]

I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.

The Boys on the other hand have A LOT of question marks at many positions on the field as well as head coach. They don't have a QB, a reliable RB, an O-line, a K, or much at WR. I doubt Parcells will be back.

Unless something big happens this offseason, the Skins, Bears, and Seahawks are going to be the big favorites in the NFC next year.

I would have picked this post apart, but the ignorance speaks for itself. :lmao:

The Skins are the class of the NFC East? That's classic. Come back here Monday when it's official that the Cowboys are in the playoffs and the Skins out.

[The30YardSlant]

If they're all the same team, then why are only 2 of them going to be in the playoffs?

1: There is a very good chance all 3 will make the playoffs, as Atlanta rarely loses to Carolina in the dome.

2: There is still a chance that Dallas makes it and Washington doesnt, dont count your chickens yet

3: All 3 teams are within 1 game of each other.

4: Don't forget that Dallas is 4 plays away from being 13-2

[kingwhicker]

[QUOTE=Fan21]I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.[QUOTE]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[calico]

I would have picked this post apart, but the ignorance speaks for itself. :lmao:

The Skins are the class of the NFC East? That's classic. Come back here Monday when it's official that the Cowboys are in the playoffs and the Skins out.

:lmao: :lmao2: no kidding

Redskin fans really are in a class of their own when it comes to ignorance. They claim we live in the past, but all I heard during the streak was how they beat us in the playoffs in the '80s...yet we live in the past.

Go back to your fellow men wearing dresses and believe that you are the class of the NFC East. That team would have won the division easily, not be on the verge of missing the playoffs.

[1fisher]

[QUOTE=Fan21]I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.[QUOTE]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

me too KW............... :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

Both sides enjoy living in the past when it's convenient, as calico pointed out. Washington isn't overwhelmingly the class of the CURRENT East, but they'll have some claim to that title if they win this week (5-1 in the division, beating each team in consecutive weekends, and definitely more claim than Dallas after the sweep, even though it's the first in a decade).

I laugh when ppl on extremeskins say "let them have the last 10 years, we won the important playoff games" (20 years ago) ... it's similarly funny here when Dallas fans claim superiority based on 10 seasons that don't even include a single playoff victory.

That there are about 10 times as many posts here on Washington as there are on extremeskins about Dallas says something ...

[The30YardSlant]

Both sides enjoy living in the past when it's convenient, as calico pointed out. Washington isn't overwhelmingly the class of the CURRENT East, but they'll have some claim to that title if they win this week (5-1 in the division, beating each team in consecutive weekends, and definitely more claim than Dallas after the sweep, even though it's the first in a decade).

I laugh when ppl on extremeskins say "let them have the last 10 years, we won the important playoff games" (20 years ago) ... it's similarly funny here when Dallas fans claim superiority based on 10 seasons that don't even include a single playoff victory.

That there are about 10 times as many posts here on Washington as there are on extremeskins about Dallas says something ...

I see you dont vist ES much. If you Ventured over there during our playoff appearence 2 years ago, the day of the game I promise you there were no less than 25 first page threads on the main board about Dallas. During the offseason, especially during the draft, they love starting threads just bashing Dallas.

[kingwhicker]

That there are about 10 times as many posts here on Washington as there are on extremeskins about Dallas says something ...

:rolleyes: Typically because some troll from ES is on here acting a fool.

[ka0tik]

:lmao2: .hahahaha...
:bastid:

[aznhalf]

That there are about 10 times as many posts here on Washington as there are on extremeskins about Dallas says something ...

I definately have to disagree there. ES members have many more post concerning Dallas.

Having lived in both Dallas and in DC I know for a fact that Skins' fans make much more out of the rivalry than Dallas does.

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

nah you're right hitta, i didn't know about either board until recently

(but what you said alludes to some very bitter and jealous fans ... get my drift?)


and aznhalf ... i just checked in ... they seem to be talking philly and ONLY philly

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

Looks like they are enjoying it to me :D

[Hostile]

Both sides enjoy living in the past when it's convenient, as calico pointed out. Washington isn't overwhelmingly the class of the CURRENT East, but they'll have some claim to that title if they win this week (5-1 in the division, beating each team in consecutive weekends, and definitely more claim than Dallas after the sweep, even though it's the first in a decade).

I laugh when ppl on extremeskins say "let them have the last 10 years, we won the important playoff games" (20 years ago) ... it's similarly funny here when Dallas fans claim superiority based on 10 seasons that don't even include a single playoff victory.

That there are about 10 times as many posts here on Washington as there are on extremeskins about Dallas says something ...You don't want to put money on that I assume.

[aznhalf]

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135536

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135031

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134534

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135376


Just some of the recent ones

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

check for yourself ... i take paypal ;)

[The30YardSlant]

You don't want to put money on that I assume.

He's new, give the man a pass :cool:

[cowboyjoe]

Yeah, but you had better enjoy it if what gonna happen, does, the salary cap, you will have to eat some of arrington money, even if he is cut, and you wont get away with that 5-6 million cap money that the redskins said want in his contract, and it was. Plus, your getting longer in the tooth age wise players too, that will affect your team. Then, add in that you most likely will lose your great defensive coordinator, to become a head coach of another pro football team. Next, you have no number one draft choice, that will hurt you. Then, best I remember the trial for your star studded safety is due, and I dont think he is going to get out of that. Not the way the district attorney was saying he was going to get him-Sean Taylor, if you lose him, that defiinitely will hurt you, plus losing Arrington, granted he didnt play in some games this year, but Arrington is still a good player when he wants too. You add all of that up, and to me it spells DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the Washington Redskins.
Finally, you got away with holding in the first game with us, on one of those deep passes at end of ball game, dont think you will get away with it next year.

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

i buy the first one ... the others i assume you searched for ... look at the recent ones


joe, the sean taylor thing is probably the best thing said here yet ... never know what's going to happen with contracts, but that's a definite item that washington's very concerned about

[Hostile]

check for yourself ... i take paypal ;)Name your amount, because at 10 to 1 I got this in the bag.

[aznhalf]

i buy the first one ... the others i assume you searched for ... look at the recent ones

Nope, all less than 2 days old. Still active post.

Thank you for your time.

[Hostile]

He's new, give the man a pass :cool:You know me better than that. If someone says something that stupid, I enjoy myself.

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

1: There is a very good chance all 3 will make the playoffs, as Atlanta rarely loses to Carolina in the dome.

2: There is still a chance that Dallas makes it and Washington doesnt, dont count your chickens yet

3: All 3 teams are within 1 game of each other.

4: Don't forget that Dallas is 4 plays away from being 13-2

Blah blah blah. Man, how much more pathetic can you sound. Lets see, The Redskins are 1 play to beat San Diego, 1 play to beat Oakland, 1 play to beat Tampa. You act like your team is the only one that lost close games.

[cowboyjoe]

Yeah, 1Fisher, and your dreaming too, cap money will get you next year, along with no first round draft choice, probably losing Sean Taylor, to a conviction of jail time, that is most likely to happen, what the district attorney said, along with losing your great defensive coordinator too. Granted you have some good players on offense, Moss, your fullback and TE, cant think of their names right now, but good players, along with a good offensive line. Yet, your dreaming if you think your going to get away with the holding calls that should have been called in that first game in Dallas this year. Your lucky the Ref was a redskin fan. But you wont get away with it next year in Dallas, it has been called attention to the Refs, and the commissioner. So, keep on dreaming.

[The30YardSlant]

Blah blah blah. Man, how much more pathetic can you sound. Lets see, The Redskins are 1 play to beat San Diego, 1 play to beat Oakland, 1 play to beat Tampa. You act like your team is the only one that lost close games.

I never said we were, but dont go thinking Washington is so much better than Dallas simply because you swept us.

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

You know me better than that. If someone says something that stupid, I enjoy myself.

no worries hostile, i don't need to call you names to feel better ... just go take a look at the posts being made TODAY ...

(and obviously there will be some posts, it's a redskins board for crying out loud ... just look at the sheer volume)

[kingwhicker]

But you wont get away with it next year in Dallas, it has been called attention to the Refs, and the commissioner.

Yeah, I bet that'll do a lot of good for us. :rolleyes:

[Hostile]

no worries hostile, i don't need to call you names to feel better ... just go take a look at the posts being made TODAY ...

(and obviously there will be some posts, it's a redskins board for crying out loud ... just look at the sheer volume)What name did I call you?

Hey, you're the one who threw the slop against the wall. You got the nads to back it up without making excuses or welching on the bet?

My guess will be no.

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

I never said we were, but dont go thinking Washington is so much better than Dallas simply because you swept us.

We aren't much better than Dallas. The first game proved that.

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

Calm down fellas ... check the name, I just like to talk football ...

I may be new to these boards, but I just ran searches on "Dallas" and "Washington" in the respective boards, and the VAST majority of recent threads on ES were on other topics (with random ppl saying random things about Dallas). On the other hand, the search here brought up a number of threads specifically ON washington. "10 times" is vernacular hyperbole, it comes with the base10 number system ... am I going to calculate? No, but my impression stands. Sorry if you disagree ("wanna bet?" is also an expression, I'd feel bad taking your money ... again, another joke ... i'll certainly admit i could be wrong here)

[Hostile]

Calm down fellas ... check the name, I just like to talk football ...

I may be new to these boards, but I just ran searches on "Dallas" and "Washington" in the respective boards, and the VAST majority of recent threads on ES were on other topics (with random ppl saying random things about Dallas). On the other hand, the search here brought up a number of threads specifically ON washington. "10 times" is vernacular hyperbole, it comes with the base10 number system ... am I going to calculate? No, but my impression stands. Sorry if you disagree ("wanna bet?" is also an expression, I'd feel bad taking your money)Point of fact, you wouldn't be taking my money.

We all get it, by all means backpedal some more. Your fingers wrote a check your butt can't cash.

Oh, and trust me, I was very calm. I knew there'd be a retraction or a welching on a bet.

[aznhalf]

Calm down fellas ... check the name, I just like to talk football ...

I may be new to these boards, but I just ran searches on "Dallas" and "Washington" in the respective boards, and the VAST majority of recent threads on ES were on other topics (with random ppl saying random things about Dallas). On the other hand, the search here brought up a number of threads specifically ON washington. "10 times" is vernacular hyperbole, it comes with the base10 number system ... am I going to calculate? No, but my impression stands. Sorry if you disagree ("wanna bet?" is also an expression, I'd feel bad taking your money ... again, another joke ... i'll certainly admit i could be wrong here)

You've done very little intelligent talking about football.

Considering that the Cowboys fate hinges on the the Skins its suprising that we don't have even more threads on it.

ES has at least one thread made every day about the Cowboys.

Your logic is seriously flawed.

[Hostile]

You've done very little intelligent talking about football.

Considering that the Cowboys fate hinges on the the Skins its suprising that we don't have even more threads on it.

ES has at least one thread made every day about the Cowboys.

Your logic is seriously flawed.With that statement I will back out of this debate unless called back in.

Nicely done.

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

If I backpedal by admitting I could be wrong, then fine by me ... I'd hate to be so sure of myself that I can' admit the possibility that I'm incorrect.

Question: did you backpedal after saying "prediction: the Cowboys defense will score today" before the Skins game ... ?

(I must say though, in my scanning of your posts, you seem like a decent fan)

[Hostile]

If I backpedal by admitting I could be wrong, then fine by me ... I'd hate to be so sure of myself that I can' admit the possibility that I'm incorrect.

Question: did you backpedal after saying "prediction: the Cowboys defense will score today" before the Skins game ... ?

(I must say though, in my scanning of your posts, you seem like a decent fan)No, I didn't but do you want me to?

I did go to ES and offer my sincere congrats on the win and sweep. Does that count?

If not, I hope this makes it all right in your world. This is for you. Feel free to gloat I guess.

I predicted the defense would score in the Redskins game and I was dead wrong. It isn't the first time. it won't be the last time. My crystal ball sucks.

[marsbennett]

Because next year reality will come crashing down. Their current salary cap number for next seaosn is expected to be up over 120 million, highest in the league. Let's see Danny Boy squirm out of this impending debacle...
I don't think they are gonna enjoy this season after they blow it against the Eagles and watch the Playoffs from home.

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

No, I didn't but do you want me to?

I did go to ES and offer my sincere congrats on the win and sweep. Does that count?

If not, I hope this makes it all right in your world. This is for you. Feel free to gloat I guess.

I predicted the defense would score in the Redskins game and I was dead wrong. It isn't the first time. it won't be the last time. My crystal ball sucks.


Ditto on the 10-to-1 call ... if you want to house me for something I called an "impression" (that could be wrong), knock yourself out.

azn ... you didn't attack my logic, you just provided an explanation for my impression.

[Hostile]

Ditto on the 10-to-1 call ... if you want to house me for something I called an "impression" (that could be wrong), knock yourself out.

azn ... you didn't attack my logic, you just provided an explanation for my impression.Naw. I already busted your chops.

That's all I wanted in the 1st place.

[Billy Bullocks]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.

its an unhealthy obsession...Im more concerned with this weekend of football. Hope yall rot in the depths of salary cap hell, but at this point, it's the least of my worries

[riggo]

in case you hadnt noticed, we hear this every year.

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

Allright bud, I hope your thinking you "busted my chops" makes you smile, b/c the world certainly needs more of that. I really do have more to say on this (whether you believe it or not) ... but judging by your number of posts, you've got alot more time to spend on this board than I do.

[csmays]

Because Dallas has made a custom out of whipping the foreskins over the years. Any team that holds a 20 game all-time series lead over you has every right to talk smack.

Oh, and then there's this:

5 championships > 3 championships

The Redskins also have 2 NFL championships prior to the Super Bowl. So it is actually 5 championships = 5 championships.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Heavy, I haven't seen you on ES in a while

Come on you know the simple adage, cash solves the caps

A lot of these salaries can be converted to bonuses, that is what Snyder does

And those bonuses can be prorated over the legnth of the rest of the contract

The cap is set to be around 96 million

It may be cap heck, but it won't be cap hell

[1fisher]

in case you hadnt noticed, we hear this every year.

hey, you're back!!! Your tird mods over at Extremeskins still won't let me in and they won't respond to my PM's...... put in a good word over there for me! :lmao2:

[1fisher]

The Redskins also have 2 NFL championships prior to the Super Bowl. So it is actually 5 championships = 5 championships.



two of which were in strike shortened seasons.....correct???

[1fisher]

Heavy, I haven't seen you on ES in a while

Come on you know the simple adage, cash solves the caps

A lot of these salaries can be converted to bonuses, that is what Snyder does

And those bonuses can be prorated over the legnth of the rest of the contract

The cap is set to be around 96 million

It may be cap heck, but it won't be cap hell

he's probably banned!!! your mods are waaayyyyy to sensitive!!!!!



:starspin :starspin :starspin

[Hostile]

Allright bud, I hope your thinking you "busted my chops" makes you smile, b/c the world certainly needs more of that. I really do have more to say on this (whether you believe it or not) ... but judging by your number of posts, you've got alot more time to spend on this board than I do.Of course I was smiling. I always do. Here's a tip, if you take me too seriously on this forum you're making a big mistake.

As to the post count discrepency, you joined this forum this month and aren't a cowboys fan. I helped build this forum and have a ton of free time on my hands to do what I enjoy. I enjoy this. It ain't rocket surgery I'd have more posts than you.

[Clove]

Sweeeeeeeeep!!!!!!!!:DThe deadskins really think they own Dallas. (that's funny) If I were you deadskin fans, I send a warm Belated Christmas present to the house of 'Tucker, Petitti' for helping your dline feel like probowlers. You are not the only ones who beat up on those backups and rookies.

The only reason you win, is you destroy our O Line. An oline you will never see again.

We are working on a franchise over here, meanwhile, you guys are doing what the Cowboys did a couple of years ago.

You are going to possibly make the playoffs and go no where. Then you are going to think you are a player away, and then do nothing this offseason. Meanwhile; the Boys will be loading up ot OT,C, WR,ILB,KIcker,OLB and when you face us, it's going to be a serious awakening.

Enjoy your little gay playoff appearance, while we're gearing up to take the league for the next 10 years. You heard it here first.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The deadskins really think they own Dallas. (that's funny) If I were you deadskin fans, I send a warm Belated Christmas present to the house of 'Tucker, Petitti' for helping your dline feel like probowlers. You are not the only ones who beat up on those backups and rookies.

The only reason you win, is you destroy our O Line. An oline you will never see again.

We are working on a franchise over here, meanwhile, you guys are doing what the Cowboys did a couple of years ago.

You are going to possibly make the playoffs and go no where. Then you are going to think you are a player away, and then do nothing this offseason. Meanwhile; the Boys will be loading up ot OT,C, WR,ILB,KIcker,OLB and when you face us, it's going to be a serious awakening.

Enjoy your little gay playoff appearance, while we're gearing up to take the league for the next 10 years. You heard it here first.


Well...sad to say...they did own us this year no two ways about it.

But it was a crazy year...we sweep the eagles, the skins sweep us.

I doubt they sweep us again in the near future.

[Hostile]

in case you hadnt noticed, we hear this every year.You know what we hear every year? That on paper the Redskins have the most talent in the NFL. Paper champions.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.

Same way RedskinFan talked smack every year since 1997.

[Clove]

Well...sad to say...they did own us this year no two ways about it.

But it was a crazy year...we sweep the eagles, the skins sweep us.

I doubt they sweep us again in the near future.I saw a game won on both sides of the line.

We couldn't get to their QB or stop their running attack (Defensive Line) They got to our QB and stop our runners (Offensive Line)

Our D Line is an Abraham away, and our Oline is one draft/ Lee Charles Bently and a healthy Rivera away. Then we'll see what's what.

[riggo]

The deadskins really think they own Dallas. (that's funny) If I were you deadskin fans, I send a warm Belated Christmas present to the house of 'Tucker, Petitti' for helping your dline feel like probowlers. You are not the only ones who beat up on those backups and rookies.

is that an excuse?

The only reason you win, is you destroy our O Line. An oline you will never see again.

does your O line play D as well? maybe one of your o line man was supposed to cover cooley. that would explain it.

Meanwhile; the Boys will be loading up ot OT,C, WR,ILB,KIcker,OLB and when you face us, it's going to be a serious awakening.

wow- is that all you need? you guys are real close.

Enjoy your little gay playoff appearance, while we're gearing up to take the league for the next 10 years. You heard it here first.

we will. btw, whose going to be your coach for the next 10 years?

[riggo]

Same way RedskinFan talked smack every year since 1997.

sorry- you may be talking about some lone lunatic, but since there has been no reason to talk smack, the smack must have been pretty weak.

[Hostile]

btw, whose going to be your coach for the next 10 years?Who's going to be yours?

You're just as much in danger of missing the playoffs as we are even with the sweep.

[Hostile]

sorry- you may be talking about some lone lunatic, but since there has been no reason to talk smack, the smack must have been pretty weak.98 pound weakling would be generous.

[Clove]

is that an excuse?



does your O line play D as well? maybe one of your o line man was supposed to cover cooley. that would explain it.



wow- is that all you need? you guys are real close.



we will. btw, whose going to be your coach for the next 10 years?You are going to make plays, that's how this game is.

Obviously, DC country does not have the means to items such as TIVO and DVR's - If they did, they would plainly see how things snowballed.

We stop you on your first drive....Our first drive, tipped ball / INT. (spit happens). Then you score.

We get the ball back, have 2 penalties sets our offense back. Have a much needed 3rd and long, Drew puts the ball in between the 8 and the 3 of Glenns Jersey and Glenn drops the first down catch.

WE then wiff on a horrible punt that gives you all the ball on inside the fifty of Dallas. Right then and there, we have created a snowball affect.

From there, things just go down hill, and fair and square you win the game.

And like I said, enjoy your 1 and done in the playoffs, and look forward to seeing us shine for the next 10 deadskin. (that rhymes)

[riggo]

Who's going to be yours?

You're just as much in danger of missing the playoffs as we are even with the sweep.

i didnt predict we would 'take the league for the next 10 years'.


i was going to ask who the hell would start a thread about this, but then i checked heavys profile. poor kid doesnt know that this talk has been going on since snyder bought the team. somebody tell him.

[jimmy40]

two of which were in strike shortened seasons.....correct???What difference does that make? Did Dallas play a longer season those years?

[jimmy40]

i didnt predict we would 'take the league for the next 10 years'.


i was going to ask who the hell would start a thread about this, but then i checked heavys profile. poor kid doesnt know that this talk has been going on since snyder bought the team. somebody tell him.ya can't tell him nuttin, he's an aggie. :D

[Hostile]

i didnt predict we would 'take the league for the next 10 years'.


i was going to ask who the hell would start a thread about this, but then i checked heavys profile. poor kid doesnt know that this talk has been going on since snyder bought the team. somebody tell him.I guess I don't get it. Someone says something you consider silly. So much so that you ask a question to point out it is silly. The question you ask applies to your team as well. But it isn't silly when applied to your team because you didn't begin the silliness?

Is that how it works?

Feel free to tell Heavy yourself. I limit myself to telling him about passing routes.

[Clove]

Just saying that I like our direction VS. the Deadskins direction in the long run.

No way in hell the deadskins win the SB this year, so who cares. Who cared that we went to the playoffs and got dismissed rudely, to come back the next year and suck.

I'd rather build a strong contender for years to come, and if you look at our defense and the young flux of talent, and you imagine what BP will do with the offense this offseason (pray pray pray he does) then we can and will dominate, and not just back into the playoffs.

[riggo]

What difference does that make? Did Dallas play a longer season those years?

eh, these kids. most of them had never ever heard of joe gibbs. you can't tell them anything, you know.

at least they know who he is now. you'd think he's earned a little respect around here after this season.

[Hostile]

eh, these kids. most of them had never ever heard of joe gibbs. you can't tell them anything, you know.

at least they know who he is now. you'd think he's earned a little respect around here after this season.Naw, he called Dallas fans ugly.

Strange statement given the Skins most famous fans are mean wearing dresses and pig snouts.

[riggo]

I guess I don't get it. Someone says something you consider silly. So much so that you ask a question to point out it is silly. The question you ask applies to your team as well. But it isn't silly when applied to your team because you didn't begin the silliness?

Is that how it works?



correct. i think.

you see, 'cowboy love' ( :D ) made the claim that the boys would own the league for the next 10 years. a team rarely wins, let alone 'takes the league' for years, without a decent coach.

the burden of proof is upon him to back it up- not i, hostile. you should know that.

[Hostile]

correct. i think.

you see, 'cowboy love' ( :D ) made the claim that the boys would own the league for the next 10 years. a team rarely wins, let alone 'takes the league' for years, without a decent coach.

the burden of proof is upon him to back it up- not i, hostile. you should know that.I'll defer to you for etiquette on silliness, because it still doesn't make sense.

:grin:

[cfujskins]

Just saying that I like our direction VS. the Deadskins direction in the long run.

No way in hell the deadskins win the SB this year, so who cares. Who cared that we went to the playoffs and got dismissed rudely, to come back the next year and suck.

I'd rather build a strong contender for years to come, and if you look at our defense and the young flux of talent, and you imagine what BP will do with the offense this offseason (pray pray pray he does) then we can and will dominate, and not just back into the playoffs.

Who's going to be your QB for the long run?

When Parcells leaves, are you going to change back to a 4-3 system AGAIN, which requires different personell and time for the learning curve?

How long will it be before you have an OL that stays together?

You say that you like the direction of team in the long run so that means your team under Parcells is NOT in a win-now mode, no?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Who's going to be your QB for the long run?

When Parcells leaves, are you going to change back to a 4-3 system AGAIN, which requires different personell and time for the learning curve?

How long will it be before you have an OL that stays together?

You say that you like the direction of team in the long run so that means your team under Parcells is NOT in a win-now mode, no?

You do know a team can be in win now mode and have a plan in place for the future right?

When you are playing Ware, Canty and Spears on D, Crayton, Witten, Jones and Barber, Petitti on Offense.

That is young players that should be here for the future.

Now...does that mean we will be better down the road...I think so, but than again I don't have a crystal ball.

As far as the 4-3 and 3-4...we currently mix both systems in and have the D-Line to play the 4-3 if need be.

[cfujskins]

You do know a team can be in win now mode and have a plan in place for the future right?

When you are playing Ware, Canty and Spears on D, Crayton, Witten, Jones and Barber, Petitti on Offense.

That is young players that should be here for the future.

Now...does that mean we will be better down the road...I think so, but than again I don't have a crystal ball.

As far as the 4-3 and 3-4...we currently mix both systems in and have the D-Line to play the 4-3 if need be.


Due to the youth and promise on defense, I'd say you are pretty solid for the long run, personell-wise. I'll give you that.

But on the offensive side of the ball....I just don't see it. There are so many question marks to say that the offense is even close long-term wise. Age on the OL and at the skill positions means that the rebuilding process is inevitable. Rebuilding the OL takes time and is something that can't be shortcutted if one wants to have consistent success. Our OL has been together for 2 years and they are just now comming onto their own. OT is where you start (Draft high).

QB....I don't mean to beat a dead horse....BUT you guys are going to HAVE to suck it up and roll the dice on one in the draft instead of playing bargain hunter or even worse- diamond digger. Until you get a home grown QB who is drafted under a system, groomed under the (SAME) system, and plays under the (SAME), your chances of CONSISTENT long term success is dramatically decreased.

[Bob Sacamano]

I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.

The Boys on the other hand have A LOT of question marks at many positions on the field as well as head coach. They don't have a QB, a reliable RB, an O-line, a K, or much at WR. I doubt Parcells will be back.

Unless something big happens this offseason, the Skins, Bears, and Seahawks are going to be the big favorites in the NFC next year.

I'm tired, so can call yourself an idiot

[Clove]

Who's going to be your QB for the long run?

When Parcells leaves, are you going to change back to a 4-3 system AGAIN, which requires different personell and time for the learning curve?

How long will it be before you have an OL that stays together?

You say that you like the direction of team in the long run so that means your team under Parcells is NOT in a win-now mode, no?Could be Henson. I don't know, but that's why I said we were building a franchise. I know BP doesn't have to patience, but he won't be here long, and we will continue the 3-4 (that's the personell we have and I don't think JJ is stupid enough to change that now).

He will get a Bill Parcells cloan to run this team - Book it! - The Offensive Line will be fixed this off season, remember. If Henson turns out to be something that Parcells has been hiding, then there you go, if not, then we will be drafting one within the next 2 years or picking up one via trade (Phillip Rivers)

Don't think this organization is sitting around watching the deadskins of the world make a little noise and do nothing.

[Bob Sacamano]

and the Redskins are the class of the NFC East? wait, last I checked, the Giants won the division...

[Clove]

BTW, Kansas City gave you all the ingredients to winning against us. They ran the ball wide (sweeps), which kept our passrush at bay all day (not knowing whether it was run or pass) and to storm our tackles.

Job well done, we were exposed on both lines. It's up to us to fix it.

[Bob Sacamano]

eh, these kids. most of them had never ever heard of joe gibbs. you can't tell them anything, you know.

at least they know who he is now. you'd think he's earned a little respect around here after this season.

I give no respect to a coach who constantly b1tches about the refs and goes running to the commissioner

[Bach]

eh, these kids. most of them had never ever heard of joe gibbs. you can't tell them anything, you know.

at least they know who he is now. you'd think he's earned a little respect around here after this season.

I've been a Cowboys fan since '77. I know Gibbs very well.
He's still the same whiny SOB with the "R" on his cap that he was 20 years ago.

[cfujskins]

Could be Henson. I don't know, but that's why I said we were building a franchise. I know BP doesn't have to patience, but he won't be here long, and we will continue the 3-4 (that's the personell we have and I don't think JJ is stupid enough to change that now).

He will get a Bill Parcells cloan to run this team - Book it! - The Offensive Line will be fixed this off season, remember. If Henson turns out to be something that Parcells has been hiding, then there you go, if not, then we will be drafting one within the next 2 years or picking up one via trade (Phillip Rivers)

Don't think this organization is sitting around watching the deadskins of the world make a little noise and do nothing.

What you listed would be a good start, but it's all just assumption. The same needs have been there for years and the same suggestions as well. A new coach is not guaranteed to change that (as it didn't in the past).

[Clove]

What you listed would be a good start, but it's all just assumption. The same needs have been there for years and the same suggestions as well. A new coach is not guaranteed to change that (as it didn't in the past).We overhauled the defense, what does that say? Chances of BP starting all of those rookies are slim.

Meaning, he could do the same for the offense next year. Remember this, even as bad as our line has been most of the year, had we had a field goal kicker, we'd be at the top looking down.

[Bach]

Who's going to be your QB for the long run?

When Parcells leaves, are you going to change back to a 4-3 system AGAIN, which requires different personell and time for the learning curve?

How long will it be before you have an OL that stays together?

You say that you like the direction of team in the long run so that means your team under Parcells is NOT in a win-now mode, no?

Who's going to be your QB for the long run?

Ramsey or Campbell from Auburn you guys got by giving away this years #1 pick? :lmao:

Also, it appears like Gregg Williams will probably get a HC job this offseason. So what type of defense of you all going to run when he's gone? I'm sure it may take awhile to get used to a new DC.

And, Gibbs is in his mid sixties. He may be around coaching 1-2 more years, then what? Dannyboy has his god at the helm right now, but who will he turn to once that's gone?

Since you have no #1 pick this year, and will be well over the cap, how many new players will Dannyboy be able to bring in? I don't see how they can add many and in order to get under the cap they'll probably have to out right release a few.

Looks to me Washington snuck up on some teams this year and Brunell had a nice late career resurgence. I don't see you all sneaking up on anyone next season and it's unlikely Brunell can duplicate his career year.
Plus I expect Dallas will be alot better next year, especially on defense where we started and played a slew of rookies. I also see the Giants getting better now that Eli has a whole year of starting under his belt. Plus, the Eagles won't be some 6 or 7 win push over next year once they get healthy and get rid of their cancerous WR.

For your sake, you better hope Wash. makes a nice run this season, because it isn't likely going to get any easier in the future.

[cfujskins]

We overhauled the defense, what does that say? Chances of BP starting all of those rookies are slim.

Meaning, he could do the same for the offense next year. Remember this, even as bad as our line has been most of the year, had we had a field goal kicker, we'd be at the top looking down.

That's true, but Parcells is defensive minded coach (as was your previous coach). That was to be expected. As far as offense, it's a different monster. Truthfully, the best bet would be to bring in an offensive guru to totally control the offense. There has to be a system there, IMO.

[kingwhicker]

And, Gibbs is in his mid sixties. He may be around coaching 1-2 more years, then what? Dannyboy has his god at the helm right now, but who will he turn to once that's gone?

Richie Petitbon

[Clove]

That's true, but Parcells is defensive minded coach (as was your previous coach). That was to be expected. As far as offense, it's a different monster. Truthfully, the best bet would be to bring in an offensive guru to totally control the offense. There has to be a system there, IMO.It won't happen under Bill Parcells, he's too much of a control freak. He's constantly breathing his hot man air down Paytons neck to make sure the call is right.

All I know is, I hope the rivalry is back on. That means, both teams are great....

[Bach]

Richie Petitbon

:lmao2:

I was thinking Terry Robiske

[kingwhicker]

I've been a Cowboys fan since '77. I know Gibbs very well.
He's still the same whiny SOB with the "R" on his cap that he was 20 years ago.

:lmao2:
i hate that R and those big glasses- he needs to break out those brownish (bad shade of burgandy) sweaters.

[kingwhicker]

:lmao2:

I was thinking Terry Robiske

Nah, he'll coach the last few games of the 2012 season after Norv gets canned.

[DallasKnight]

Im not trying to troll but dallas fans started the argument.

You started the arguement the instant you signed in. And you knew you would troglodite.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I've been a Cowboys fan since '77. I know Gibbs very well.
He's still the same whiny SOB with the "R" on his cap that he was 20 years ago.



Also the same guy that went to the Super Bowl 4 times in 12 years and won 3. He's the same coach that fielded a bunch of scrubs off the street in '87 and beat a Cowboys team that had it's starting QB and RB among others on the field.

Of course this has nothing to do with the percieved cap hell we'll be in this year once again that once again is only percieved as such by people who really don't know the situation.

It's also a nice "but" to soothe certain people's egos after the Redskins beat their team at home during the triplets induction into the ring of fame. God knows every Cowboys fan everywhere cried "book it!" as a win.

A "but" to ease the pain after every Cowboy fan was certain that first game was a fluke and revenge would be had in Fedex Field.

"So they swept us and are probably going to the Playoffs, but....."

Whatever makes it sting a little less, I guess.

[cfujskins]

Who's going to be your QB for the long run?

Ramsey or Campbell from Auburn you guys got by giving away this years #1 pick? :lmao:

Also, it appears like Gregg Williams will probably get a HC job this offseason. So what type of defense of you all going to run when he's gone? I'm sure it may take awhile to get used to a new DC.

And, Gibbs is in his mid sixties. He may be around coaching 1-2 more years, then what? Dannyboy has his god at the helm right now, but who will he turn to once that's gone?

Since you have no #1 pick this year, and will be well over the cap, how many new players will Dannyboy be able to bring in? I don't see how they can add many and in order to get under the cap they'll probably have to out right release a few.

Looks to me Washington snuck up on some teams this year and Brunell had a nice late career resurgence. I don't see you all sneaking up on anyone next season and it's unlikely Brunell can duplicate his career year.
Plus I expect Dallas will be alot better next year, especially on defense where we started and played a slew of rookies. I also see the Giants getting better now that Eli has a whole year of starting under his belt. Plus, the Eagles won't be some 6 or 7 win push over next year once they get healthy and get rid of their cancerous WR.

For your sake, you better hope Wash. makes a nice run this season, because it isn't likely going to get any easier in the future.

As far a DC goes, Our system will remain in place whether Gregg Williams is here or not. Gregg Blache and Gregg Williams have a VERY similiar mindset and Blache has already stated that the System will remain.

As far as Gibbs, he will remain even after coaching. Remember, he is the team president. His mindset will stay also (Think Miami Heat and Pat Riley). Of course all of this is moot if Gregg Williams stays especially since he is the obvious successor of Gibbs.

As for our QBs, we are grooming Campbell (the right thing for a young QB). But yea, Gibbs knows nothing about QBs.

And so what, we don't have a #1 pick. There is not a hole on our team that would warrant a #1 pick and the contract to go along with it. We are talented and young at our skill positions on offense. Moss-26, Portis-24 yes 24 (younger than Julius) Cooley, all these guys are locked up long term. Our 3 major threats. Every starter on our OL is UNDER 30! Hell with the exception of Brunell so is every other starter.

As for our cap, we hear this crap EVERY year. We have a HUGE amount of dead money this year so I'm actually looking forward to the fact that we will have adaquate cap room this offseason....WITHOUT having to cut any major veins to do so.

[SacredStar]

I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.

Yeah....we've been hearing that same 'ole song and dance from 'Skin fans for the last 4 years. Danny Boy seems to sign the best free agents year in and year out and the 'Skin fans keep piping their organs on how good they'll be and then they tank....again....4 years straight now. And I expect year 5 this season. Washington may be on a little good run right now, but honestly, they are still not that good.

You ask who our QB of the future will be and we ask the same. What has your backup QB's done to convince anyone they are future team leaders?

Dallas' QB is better than Washington's, hands down. If Drew had 1/2 the protection Brunnell has, he'd be the NFL's top QB. If Brunnell had the same protection Bledsoe has, he'd be the NFL's worst QB.

OH...and class of the NFC East?????

Get real.

[Bach]

A "but" to ease the pain after every Cowboy fan was certain that first game was a fluke and revenge would be had in Fedex Field.

"So they swept us and are probably going to the Playoffs, but....."

Whatever makes it sting a little less, I guess.

Enjoy it. They earned it.

I just find it humorous how you guys think you're some kind of dominant team because you finally beat Dallas twice in a season.

I'm sure 10 in a row and 14 of 15 did a little more than "sting" a little.
Especially after each one Redskins fans all over claimed, "yeah, but wait til next time", only to get beat again, and again and again and...

So now the Redskins finally beat Dallas - so now you think you've turned the corner and the past is irrelevant...etc..etc.

Well, as soon as Dallas and Washington are both watching two other teams in the Super Bowl, this year will be "in the past" also. So by all means, enjoy it while you can. You all earned it after all these years, for whatever that's worth.

[riggo]

and the Redskins are the class of the NFC East? wait, last I checked, the Giants won the division...

of course they did.


get some rest.

[riggo]

I've been a Cowboys fan since '77. I know Gibbs very well.
He's still the same whiny SOB with the "R" on his cap that he was 20 years ago.

except he now has 3 rings and 4 nfc championships. but youre probably right- he sux.

[cfujskins]

Yeah....we've been hearing that same 'ole song and dance from 'Skin fans for the last 4 years. Danny Boy seems to sign the best free agents year in and year out and the 'Skin fans keep piping their organs on how good they'll be and then they tank....again....4 years straight now. And I expect year 5 this season. Washington may be on a little good run right now, but honestly, they are still not that good.

You ask who our QB of the future will be and we ask the same. What has your backup QB's done to convince anyone they are future team leaders?

Dallas' QB is better than Washington's, hands down. If Drew had 1/2 the protection Brunnell has, he'd be the NFL's top QB. If Brunnell had the same protection Bledsoe has, he'd be the NFL's worst QB.

OH...and class of the NFC East?????

Get real.

"they are still not that good"....Really? We beat the NFC's top 3 teams , have the best conference record in the NFC (This year the NFC is competitive), North-south-east-west, we had to play all the division leaders of the NFC and we go .750 (yea, our schedule is tough) in those games and we are still not that good? Man, that's hate.

as far as QBs, we have one in grooming and a coach that knows just a little something about a quaterback so I wouldn't be entirely wrong to assume we have the edge, wouldn't you agree?

Dallas Qb is better, "hands down"? Would he really be the NFL's top QB is he had half the time as Brunell? Can you look in the mirror and say that with a straight face? Sounds like somebody is pissed. It's hard to think correctly when pissed so I will excuse you.

[Bach]

As far a DC goes, Our system will remain in place whether Gregg Williams is here or not. Gregg Blache and Gregg Williams have a VERY similiar mindset and Blache has already stated that the System will remain..

As far as Gibbs, he will remain even after coaching. Remember, he is the team president. His mindset will stay also (Think Miami Heat and Pat Riley). Of course all of this is moot if Gregg Williams stays especially since he is the obvious successor of Gibbs.

As for our QBs, we are grooming Campbell (the right thing for a young QB). But yea, Gibbs knows nothing about QBs.

And so what, we don't have a #1 pick. There is not a hole on our team that would warrant a #1 pick and the contract to go along with it. We are talented and young at our skill positions on offense. Moss-26, Portis-24 yes 24 (younger than Julius) Cooley, all these guys are locked up long term. Our 3 major threats. Every starter on our OL is UNDER 30! Hell with the exception of Brunell so is every other starter.

As for our cap, we hear this crap EVERY year. We have a HUGE amount of dead money this year so I'm actually looking forward to the fact that we will have adaquate cap room this offseason....WITHOUT having to cut any major veins to do so.

Blache may be of the same mindset as Williams. But I recall many thinking the Redskins wouldn't miss a beat after Gibbs retired the last time because Richie Petitibon was of a similar mindset as Gibbs and an integral part of their team for years. Now that worked out quite nicely, didn't it?

And as for Gibbs, being a team President is a far cry from being the HC. I know Walsh stayed in the front office in SF and was valuable to them. But Walsh was a great personnel man, that really hasn't been Gibbs forte. So when Gibbs hangs it up in a couple of years, unless he is going to contantly look over the new HC's shoulder, I don't see him being in the front office being a major factor.

This isn't to say Washington isn't going to be in the hunt in the East the next few years. But they do have some question marks in certain areas and the rest of the division should get stronger. I really don't think they'll go 6-2 or 7-1 in the division again. They snuck up on people this year. I'm sure as far a Dallas was concerned, after being someone 14 of 15 times regardless of whether it was Gailey, Campo or Parcells or Emmitt and Aikman or Quincy and Hambrick - it was probably easy for them to think it would be much of the same. Now that it wasn't, I don't see them just thinking they have to show up and can win in the future.

So like I said, enjoy it. You guys finally got it done against us. And I really hope you all think you've turned the corner...

[ArmchairRedskin]

Enjoy it. They earned it.

I just find it humorous how you guys think you're some kind of dominant team because you finally beat Dallas twice in a season.

I'm sure 10 in a row and 14 of 15 did a little more than "sting" a little.
Especially after each one Redskins fans all over claimed, "yeah, but wait til next time", only to get beat again, and again and again and...

So now the Redskins finally beat Dallas - so now you think you've turned the corner and the past is irrelevant...etc..etc.

Well, as soon as Dallas and Washington are both watching two other teams in the Super Bowl, this year will be "in the past" also. So by all means, enjoy it while you can. You all earned it after all these years, for whatever that's worth.

Nobody is claiming the Redskins to be dominant. What we are is hot. The team is peaking at the right time in the season. You gotta have a lot of moxie to come back from 5-6 and most likey make the playoffs with a 10-6 record. With a little help we could win the division. Either way we control our own destiny. Win and we're in.

The reason the Redskins finally beat Dallas? The same coach you mocked earlier. The same one people claim has "lost it" or "has inhaled too many exhaust fumes", "can't coach in the modern era". The same one who was a thorn in the side of the NFC East his first go 'round.

It's funny how you cling to that precious 14 of 16 answer to a trivia question when over that same span of time the Redskins have fielded a better team. Congratulations on the streak, though. I'm sure it looks nice next to the Lombardi's.

Pure conjecture as to the playoffs. The Redskins being beat by an NFC team in the playoffs isn't a foregone conclusion seeing as how we've beaten the Seahawks, the Bears, Giants and Cowboys. Only teams we haven't beaten are the Bucs (did Alstott really cross that goal line?) and the Panthers (who we haven't faced).

I'd say we have a really good chance. Gibbs has only ever lost one first round playoff game. His teams are made for this time of year. 16-5 post season record. :)

[Bach]

except he now has 3 rings and 4 nfc championships. but youre probably right- he sux.

I didn't say he sucked. I just said he's a whiny SOB. But, I'm sure it's all part of his plan.
In the '80's just about every call went his way, especially in RFK.
So you didn't have to witness it quite as much because he got his way most of the time. But since he's been back the refs have been calling penalites on both teams and ol Joe just isn't used to that.

But it looks like his whining is starting to pay off, because the last few weeks Wash. has been getting most of the calls to go their way again. Good ol whiny Joe, it just took him a little while to indoctrinate some of these newer refs, but it looks like he's finally got through to them.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I didn't say he sucked. I just said he's a whiny SOB. But, I'm sure it's all part of his plan.
In the '80's just about every call went his way, especially in RFK.
So you didn't have to witness it quite as much because he got his way most of the time. But since he's been back the refs have been calling penalites on both teams and ol Joe just isn't used to that.

But it looks like his whining is starting to pay off, because the last few weeks Wash. has been getting most of the calls to go their way again. Good ol whiny Joe, it just took him a little while to indoctrinate some of these newer refs, but it looks like he's finally got through to them.



So instead of pointing out to the refs that they made a mistake or maybe an error in judgement you just stay silent and let the refs call the game anyway they see it even if it clashes with the way the rules are written? Sounds like a plan! Why not just go with the flow. Seems a lot easier that way. Hell, we should do away with instant replay. That would be even better. Who wants a coach on the sidelines whining that the refs got a call wrong?

[Bach]

It's funny how you cling to that precious 14 of 16 answer to a trivia question when over that same span of time the Redskins have fielded a better team. Congratulations on the streak, though. I'm sure it looks nice next to the Lombardi's.

I'd say we have a really good chance. Gibbs has only ever lost one first round playoff game. His teams are made for this time of year. 16-5 post season record. :)

It's funny how you your fellow fans tell us that mentioning 14 of 15 is in the "past", yet you are clinging to Gibbs record in the postseason, when he hasn't been there since 1991.

I also find it quite amusing how you and most other Redskins fans alway clamor about "fielding a better team" during the time of our annual Skin's butt-whippings. I believe last year we each went 6-10. The year before we went 10-6 while Washington was getting rid of another one of their HC's. I do admit during the three 5-11 Campo years that the Redskins probably were better, yet Dallas still managed to win 5 of 6 meeting during that time, only losing the final meaningless game at the end of Campo's last season.

Yeah, Washington fans always talking trash, even while getting their arses kicked 14 out of 15 years. Then, they finally win 2 against us and all of a sudden any mention of the previous 15 meetings is ancient history. But they then want to cling to Gibbs postseason record from the 1980's. :lmao2:

It's pretty typical, always wanting it both ways. So, I guess if I take a page out of your book and claim we had the better team this year you won't have a problem with that, will ya?

[Bach]

So instead of pointing out to the refs that they made a mistake or maybe an error in judgement you just stay silent and let the refs call the game anyway they see it even if it clashes with the way the rules are written? Sounds like a plan! Why not just go with the flow. Seems a lot easier that way. Hell, we should do away with instant replay. That would be even better. Who wants a coach on the sidelines whining that the refs got a call wrong?

Gibbs whines whenever a call goes against him. It doesn't have anything to do with it being right or wrong. I recall the same TB game when the KO returner stepped on the sideline, yet I don't recall Gibbs sending in tape about that.
He's a whiny arse that's always used to getting his way. Maybe he could just take it like a man, but I'm sure that's asking too much of him. Once Vermeil retires next week, Gibbs will take over the role of league crier.

[Maikeru-sama]

No doubt. They won't be affected whatsoever- we've been through this how many times?

None issue.

I remeber talking about their inpending doom way back at Silver Star Digest 2 years ago.

We need to focus on disasters on the field...and let the salary cap handle itself.

I am afraid the 2 guranteed wins a year against them are over. I said this when Gibbs was first highed but was shouted down.

- Mike G.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Gibbs whines whenever a call goes against him. It doesn't have anything to do with it being right or wrong. I recall the same TB game when the KO returner stepped on the sideline, yet I don't recall Gibbs sending in tape about that.
He's a whiny arse that's always used to getting his way. Maybe he could just take it like a man, but I'm sure that's asking too much of him. Once Vermeil retires next week, Gibbs will take over the role of league crier.


I like that Gibbs bothers you so much. :)

Maybe Gibbs is whiny in your eyes, but at least he's no gun for hire that fires off at the nearest assistant/player when things don't go his way. Didn't he hit some poor schmuck on the sidelines not too long ago?

Btw, you can't prove either way that Betts was/wasn't over the line. The views were inconclusive and really from what I could tell, he didn't step over. Like I said, hard to tell. If they had ruled him out, there's no way they would have overturned it. No indisputable visual evidence.

Not like those fake PI calls last year in Fedex.... :D

[csmays]

two of which were in strike shortened seasons.....correct???

Correct. What is your point? You wouldn't have claimed the championships during the strike shortened season?

[csmays]

he's probably banned!!! your mods are waaayyyyy to sensitive!!!!!



:starspin :starspin :starspin

As a Redskin fan, I actually agree with this. Extremeskins site is a joke of a web site.

[ArmchairRedskin]

It's funny how you your fellow fans tell us that mentioning 14 of 15 is in the "past", yet you are clinging to Gibbs record in the postseason, when he hasn't been there since 1991.

Until next weekend, right? :)



I also find it quite amusing how you and most other Redskins fans alway clamor about "fielding a better team" during the time of our annual Skin's butt-whippings. I believe last year we each went 6-10. The year before we went 10-6 while Washington was getting rid of another one of their HC's. I do admit during the three 5-11 Campo years that the Redskins probably were better, yet Dallas still managed to win 5 of 6 meeting during that time, only losing the final meaningless game at the end of Campo's last season.

For clarification, the Redskins overall record was better since the start of the streak. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah, Washington fans always talking trash, even while getting their arses kicked 14 out of 15 years. Then, they finally win 2 against us and all of a sudden any mention of the previous 15 meetings is ancient history. But they then want to cling to Gibbs postseason record from the 1980's. :lmao2:

First off, how much do those wins over us help you get into the post season? They must count for something because they're so relevant and you keep harping on them.

As you'll find out in a few weeks, those post season records are tangible proof that Gibbs is one of the great ones. History will repeat itself. I'd love for you guys to make it in and meet us in the Championship game. It would be great to end your season with a third victory putting you out of the playoffs and us into the big dance.

It's pretty typical, always wanting it both ways. So, I guess if I take a page out of your book and claim we had the better team this year you won't have a problem with that, will ya?

That makes no sense. Our record proves it. :rolleyes:

[Bach]

Until next weekend, right? :)

First off, how much do those wins over us help you get into the post season? They must count for something because they're so relevant and you keep harping on them.

As you'll find out in a few weeks, those post season records are tangible proof that Gibbs is one of the great ones. History will repeat itself. I'd love for you guys to make it in and meet us in the Championship game. It would be great to end your season with a third victory putting you out of the playoffs and us into the big dance.

That makes no sense. Our record proves it. :rolleyes:

I think our sweeps over Washington helped us get in the postseason in '98, '99 and '03. Just like yours over us is probably going to get you all a wildcard this year. Your point?

What makes no sense? There were several years we were better than Washington when we swept them and even if we weren't, we still swept them. :D And from what I see, Dallas and Washington are both 9-6, so I don't think your record proves anything. I'm not going to say Dallas is the better team, unlike most Redskins fans tried to claim they were better every year even though they got swept by us 6 out of 7 seasons. :rolleyes:


As for history repeating itself, please remember to come back once they get bumped off. I do think that they may win if the get to play Tampa. But if they have to go to NY, I think the Giants get payback. And if they do get TB and win, then Seattle or Chicago will get them the following week.

But by all means, keep thinking Super Bowl and acting like it's still 1991. It'll be all the more entertaining when you lose. :D

[big dog cowboy]

But by all means, keep thinking Super Bowl and acting like it's still 1991. It'll be all the more entertaining when you lose. :D
Ragardless of the circumstances, the Redskins losing will ALWAYS be entertaining.

[KINGBRICE_28]

Hmmm.....seems as if I missed the fun......

oh well....BTW we already did the salary cap stuff about 1 month ago and after the release of the usual we will be fine....

Of course though this will be 1 of 273 threads about the redskins yet some how it never bites us in the pocket book.....

Smoot Who?....
Coles....lol....
Pierce....meh.....We'd be better off with him however our replacement did mediocre I guess.....

As for bragging rights...sure.....we've got'm for now........don't be bitter....you had your chance to rub it in a little....trust me I remember......

[silverbear]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.

You say that like Skins fans haven't been talking smack these last several years, even as "the streak" grew to epic proportions...

The "smack" in this case is laughing at the way the Skins have managed the salary cap... their way is the Cowboys' OLD way, which is precisely what put us in the position we've found ourselves in the last few years... but that's not the Cowboys' way any more, and as a result, they were in good cap shape last year, and they'll be in good cap shape again this offseason...

Meanwhile, the Skins will have some serious machinations ahead of them just to get under the salary cap, let alone finding money to add free agent talent... Danny Boy is fixin' to find out that those warning he's been hearing the last few years were on the money, that you can't keep pushing major cap dollars off into the future without eventually facing the crunch...

Anyway, if you don't like our "smack", are you being forced to hang out in here?? Go on back over to extremeskins (or whatever other homer board you call home), where seldom is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day...

It ain't like we'd miss you, there are always plenty of trolls around...

:D

[silverbear]

Dallas fan that lives in the past.

Uhhh, your sweep this year is in the past now, too...

We can run our mouths this year. We whipped you.

"We"?? What position did YOU play, Mighty Mouth??

[silverbear]

Dallas fans are just bitter they lost to us twice.

Are WE trolling the REDSKINS boards?? That would be a sign of bitterness, but last I checked, this is a COWBOYS board...

Oh, I'm not thrilled that the Skins got two Ws against us this year, but s*** happens sometimes... to say I'm "bitter" would be to exaggerate the point quite badly...

Meanwhile, here YOU are, trolling a Cowboys board, even after sweeping them... this alone shows that you still fear the Cowboys a lot...

So run your mouth troll, talk like you're not scared of the Cowboys; your actions speak louder than your words...

[silverbear]

Im not trying to troll but dallas fans started the argument.

You're a Skins fan, talking trash on a Cowboys board... your first post to this thread, in its entirety, read:

Sweeeeeeeeep!!!!!!!! :D

Naw, nothing trollish in that...

Pretend you're a man (though that might require that you take off your official Hogettes dress), and admit what you are, and what your agenda is...

[silverbear]

I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.

Of course it can be denied... the Giants are currently leading the NFC East, which makes THEM the class of the NFC East...

As for which team will be the "class" in the future, that's where the Skins' cap situation factors in... the other teams in the East will have cap room to upgrade their rosters in the offseason, while the Skins will be limited as to what improvements they can make...

The Boys on the other hand have A LOT of question marks at many positions on the field as well as head coach.

The Boys don't have any bigger questions at head coach than the Skins do... in fact, Gibbs could well choose to pack it in before Parcells does...

They don't have a QB,

Bledsoe is every bit as good as Brunell... Mark has a slight edge in quarterback rating, Drew has passed for more yards per game and a higher completion percentage... Drew has averaged 7.4 yards per attempt this year, Mark has averaged 6.8...

In fact, Brunell's biggest advantage, and the reason he currently has the higher rating, is because he's thrown fewer interceptions this year...

a reliable RB,

Actually, they have three very good running backs... the starter, Julius Jones, has gained 1777 yards in his first 20 games... in 18 games as a starter, he's gained 1745 yards on 426 carries...

an O-line,

Yup, THERE'S the real problem... of course, with a fair chunk of cap room and a number of top offensive linemen liable to be available in free agency (LeCharles Bentley, Steve Hutchinson), not to mention a first round draft pick (unlike the Skins) and a lot of top tackles in this draft class, upgrading that area of need is eminently doable...

The Skins' offensive line has some serious problems too, in the form of DEPTH... once you get past their starting 5, your next best offensive lineman is a candidate for Social Security, LOL...

a K,

The Skins are in the same boat there... seems like John Hall has missed 14 games over the last 2 years... while he was out this year, the Skins got so desperate that they signed a guy the Cowboys had already cut, LOL...

Once again, free agency might give them a Vanderjagt or a Vinatieri, or the draft might give them a Mason Crosby...

or much at WR.

Terry Glenn didn't produce QUITE as much as Santana Moss did, it's true... but he produced pretty good all the same (60 catches for nearly 1100 yards in 15 games)... and of course, Keyshawn Johnson and Patrick Crayton are VASTLY superior to any other receivers the Skins might have...

IOW, if the Cowboys don't have "much at WR", then the Skins' closet is REALLY bare... let's compare each team's top 3 WRs (we'll go 4 deep with the Skins, since David Patten went on IR midway through the season):

Glenn/Johnson/Crayton-- 145 catches for 2130 yards and 15TDs... 14.7 yards per catch...

Moss/Jacobs/Thrash/Patten-- 126 receptions for 1870 yards and 9TDs... 14.8 yards per catch...

The Cowboys' 3 receivers have caught almost 20 MORE passes than the Skins' 4 receivers, for 260 more yards and 6 more TDs... clearly, the Cowboys' receiving corps is superior to the Skins'...

I doubt Parcells will be back.

Keep on whistlin' past the graveyard, troll... my personal opinion is that Parcells will still be coaching when Gibbs is back in NASCAR...

Now, you wanna talk about the Skins' "question marks"??

Head Coach-- Gibbs just doesn't look like he's having much FUN this year, in fact he looks like he just survived the Bataan Death March...

Quarterback-- Mark Brunell is 35 years old, nearing the end of the road... Patrick Ramsey is history, and Jason Campbell is still an unknown...

Wide Receiver-- Santana Moss and NOTHING else...

Offensive Line-- as I said earlier, 5 decent to good starters, and zippo in the way of quality depth... can the Skins afford to keep Chris Samuels this offseason, when his cap hit goes up to over 11 million dollars?? Will he be agreeable to reworking his contract?? If not, they're down to four quality starters, and zero depth...

Defensive Line-- the Skins rank 22nd in the league in sacks, with 31... 14 of those sacks have come from the linebackers and defensive backs, meaning their defensive line has all of 17 sacks this year... the Skins are also tied for 18th in team interceptions, further testimony to their lack of a pass rush...

Bottom line, the Skins have as many holesas the Cowboys do, if not more... the difference is, the Cowboys have more flexibility to upgrade their roster over the next year or two or three than the Skins do... another offseason like they had last year, and the Boys will be quite good, actually...

[silverbear]

Blah blah blah. Man, how much more pathetic can you sound. Lets see, The Redskins are 1 play to beat San Diego, 1 play to beat Oakland, 1 play to beat Tampa. You act like your team is the only one that lost close games.

Well, I read somewhere in the last day or two that the Cowboys lead the NFL in games decided by a touchdown or less this year, with 11 (if memory serves)...

[silverbear]

Heavy, I haven't seen you on ES in a while

Come on you know the simple adage, cash solves the caps

A lot of these salaries can be converted to bonuses, that is what Snyder does

Yeah, that's what Jerry USED to do, too... problem is, you can only delay the final reckoning so long...

It's funny, really, you Skins fans think that Danny Boy has found a magic formula, one that all the brilliant minds in the NFL haven't been able to figure out after all these years of the salary cap...

He hasn't, his approach is EXACTLY the same as the Niners' was, and the Cowboys'... and they faced their reckoning, leading to some really dismal records for a couple-three years there...

Now, you're welcome to go on telling yourself that Danny Boy is doing it better and smarter than all those who have gone before him, if that's what lets you sleep at night, but it's asinine to really believe that...

I'll just note that for such a genius when it comes to building Super Bowl contenders, he sure doesn't have much to show for his "brilliance"... LOL...

be cap heck, but it won't be cap hell

Perhaps... problem is, the other teams in the NFC East won't even be in "cap heck", meaning they'll be able to upgrade their rosters, while the Skins will be limited in their ability to do so...

[silverbear]

btw, whose going to be your coach for the next 10 years?

You figure Gibbs is gonna coach the Skins for the next 10 years, do you??

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ..

That poor schlub has aged ten years this season alone... he'll never LIVE another ten years, if he has to coach the Skins the entire time...

I'm just hoping that the rumors are bogus, that he doesn't retire after THIS season... I hope that because if Gibbs quits after this season, Gregg Williams will be named the next head coach, and I think he might do pretty good... but if Coach Joe sticks around another year, Williams will almost certainly take his pick from several head coaching job offers this offseason...

[silverbear]

Until you get a home grown QB who is drafted under a system, groomed under the (SAME) system, and plays under the (SAME), your chances of CONSISTENT long term success is dramatically decreased.

You mean, like the Skins did with Patrick Ramsey??

ROTFLMAO...

[silverbear]

I give no respect to a coach who constantly b1tches about the refs and goes running to the commissioner

Gibbs actually whined last week about having to play the Giants on a Saturday... complained that the Giants had an unfair advantage, having played on the previous Saturday as well...

It's gotten to where ol' Coach Joe will trot out any alibi at any time...

[silverbear]

And so what, we don't have a #1 pick. There is not a hole on our team that would warrant a #1 pick and the contract to go along with it.

And here I thought you might actually have a clue... you could desperately use a premium pick at WR, where the ONLY legitimate NFL talent you have is Moss, and you could surely stand to add a stud pass rusher...

As for our cap, we hear this crap EVERY year.

Uhhh, don't look now, but you guys weren't able to do a whole lot in free agency last year... the reason for that was your cap situation...

We have a HUGE amount of dead money this year so I'm actually looking forward to the fact that we will have adaquate cap room this offseason....WITHOUT having to cut any major veins to do so.

Oh, sweet , this one has drunk ALL of the kool-aid...

Well, homer, the facts are that the Skins are currently WAY over the projected cap for next year (I've heard as much as 27 million dollars over... in order to get under the cap, they'll have to renegotiate a BUNCH of deals, or cut players like Arrington (who's likely gone anyway) and Chris Samuels...

I'd say that choosing between cutting a Pro Bowl OT or not being real active in free agency is one indication of cap hell... the Skins might have maneuvering room to get down under the cap without biting the bullet too hard, but that will leave them with no room to bring in free agent talent... look for this offseason to be like the last for the Skins, not much in the way of upgrading the roster... only this year, you guys won't even have the luxury of a first round draft pick...

[silverbear]

"they are still not that good"....Really? We beat the NFC's top 3 teams , have the best conference record in the NFC (This year the NFC is competitive), North-south-east-west, we had to play all the division leaders of the NFC and we go .750 (yea, our schedule is tough) in those games and we are still not that good? Man, that's hate.

Bottom line, you guys are 9-6, and still have yet to clinch a playoff berth...

as far as QBs, we have one in grooming and a coach that knows just a little something about a quaterback so I wouldn't be entirely wrong to assume we have the edge, wouldn't you agree?

Not until I actually see Jason Campbell on the field... a few short years ago, you Skins fans were talking the same homeristic crap about Patrick Ramsey, another late first round draft pick...

Jason Campbell hasn't proven jack... no matter how long you guys "let" him sit on the bench, "gaining valuable experience", eventually he's gonna have to go through the growing pains that virtually all young QBs go through (if he was the exception to that rule, the quarterback so talented that he can play like a legitimate NFL QB right from the start, he wouldn't have sat out this entire season)...

[silverbear]

Nobody is claiming the Redskins to be dominant. What we are is hot. The team is peaking at the right time in the season.

Yeah, the Skins are hot right now...

They're also starting to rack up the injuries, after being REAL lucky on that score all season... given that they're not a real deep team, avoiding injuries was critical to their hot finish... they also don't have a large margin for error, not when they'll be playing a succession of playoff caliber teams on the road... so any further injuries will make playoff success highly problematic...

[silverbear]

It's funny how you your fellow fans tell us that mentioning 14 of 15 is in the "past", yet you are clinging to Gibbs record in the postseason, when he hasn't been there since 1991.

Apparently, hypocrisy wears a hog's snout and a dress...

[juice28]

:signmast: YEA, what he said!

[skinsngibbs4life]

They're also starting to rack up the injuries[QUOTE]

um, we only have two main injuries right now.

-Mark Brunell: listed as probable, and practiced yesterday. will most likely play on sunday
-Carlos Rogers: listed as questionable. might not play, but he have a player at corner who started half of the year. so its not a huge liability(esspecially against a philly team that seems to be unable to pass right now)

[QUOTE]
Glenn/Johnson/Crayton-- 145 catches for 2130 yards and 15TDs... 14.7 yards per catch...

Moss/Jacobs/Thrash/Patten-- 126 receptions for 1870 yards and 9TDs... 14.8 yards per catch...



ok. this might be WR, but you can't leave out a player who has acted as our #2 reciever all year. He only has 70 receptions, 760 yards, and 7 TD's. which seems pretty similar( a little bit better) than your #2 reciever.


Well, I read somewhere in the last day or two that the Cowboys lead the NFL in games decided by a touchdown or less this year, with 11 (if memory serves)...



is that supposed to mean something? with the exception of the giants game, every loss of ours has been within a score. so, i dont really see what your trying to get at here

don't look now, but you guys weren't able to do a whole lot in free agency last year... the reason for that was your cap situation...

do you think that it is a coincidence that the first year that we dont load up on big name free agents we start to have a winning record? the only position that we made an upgrade at was at the center position. as far as all of the other positions, they were all starters from the year before. so do you think that this might be all right if we dont pick up many free agents? we did fine this year without the aqusation of many big name free agents, maybe it will be a continuing trend?

[silverbear]

um, we only have two main injuries right now.

-Mark Brunell: listed as probable, and practiced yesterday. will most likely play on sunday
-Carlos Rogers: listed as questionable. might not play, but he have a player at corner who started half of the year. so its not a huge liability(esspecially against a philly team that seems to be unable to pass right now)

Oh, so Randy Thomas DIDN'T break his leg against the Cowboys... my bad...

As for Walt Harris, Rogers put him on the bench, so clearly the coaches considered Carlos the better option... to now suggest that nothing is lost by putting Harris back out there is rather silly....

ok. this might be WR, but you can't leave out a player who has acted as our #2 reciever all year. He only has 70 receptions, 760 yards, and 7 TD's. which seems pretty similar( a little bit better) than your #2 reciever.

OK, go ahead and add Cooley into the equation... then we'll add Jason Witten in, and the Cowboys will still have the advantage... they'd then combine for 207 catches for 2830 yards and 20TDs, compared to 195 catches for 2635 yards and 16TDs for the Skins' receivers...

And again, that's with us combining the stats of 4 Skins' WRs to the Cowboys' 3... a whole other player, and the Boys STILL have the clear edge...

do you think that it is a coincidence that the first year that we dont load up on big name free agents we start to have a winning record?

More luck than coincidence... luck, in that you guys haven't had hardly any injuries all year long... this is crucial for the Skins, who have little to no depth at most positions on the team (RB would be first exception that comes to mind, and to a lesser extent, DB)...

the only position that we made an upgrade at was at the center position. as far as all of the other positions, they were all starters from the year before. so do you think that this might be all right if we dont pick up many free agents?

If you guys continue playing the status quo while your competition is adding talent, you're in trouble...

[skinsngibbs4life]

Oh, so Randy Thomas DIDN'T break his leg against the Cowboys... my bad...

yea, I did forget about the injury to thomas. That was probably because our o-line played just as well as ever last week. but yes, that one injury will hurt us if in fact we do make the playoffs. Ray Brown played excellent last week, but who knows how long he will be able to keep it up. But as for that, we seem ok with injuries. Carlos will be back for the playoffs, and maybe even a little this weekend, we will just have to see. Unless we endure some major injuries this weekend, I don't think that injuries should play too big of a factor down the road.

OK, go ahead and add Cooley into the equation... then we'll add Jason Witten in, and the Cowboys will still have the advantage... they'd then combine for 207 catches for 2830 yards and 20TDs, compared to 195 catches for 2635 yards and 16TDs for the Skins' receivers...

alright, well this is the way it probably should be. You all should have more production out of the wide recievers because you are more of a passing offense. While on the other side, the redskins are primarily a rushing offense. The skins rank 5th in the league in total rushing yards for the year. So then, as for total offense, it's quite funny that the skins and cowboys have almost identical stats. The skins only average 10 more yards a game than the cowboys do. So it is kind of a wash here. And what is even more wierd, is that we both average the same ammount of pass plays and running plays per game.

If you guys continue playing the status quo while your competition is adding talent, you're in trouble...

well, I guess you could think that way. However, it also gives are team more unity. This is the first season that our o-line has been together. It took us all the way to week 14 to start geling and playing to our potential. Right now, our o-line is playing as well as some of the best in the league. And it came from playing together. The more these players play beside each other, the better they are going to get. Big upgrades arn't always the best way to go in free agency. sometimes it is best to just fill small holes that you have, and let everything else take course. The redskins don't have any big free agents to re-sign this year, we shouldnt need much to fill. Yes, there are some needs that we need. A big reciever to play #2 alongside moss, and a pass rushing DE. Those are probably are only major needs. With the expected loss of arrington, you could say we will need another linebacker, but, it issn't the biggest of needs considering we've played without arrington for about half of the season. Not having a lot of cap to sign players shouldn't hurt us this year. It might hold us back from getting some of the small needs that we might have, but it won't be anything big enough to entirely effect our team for next year

[silverbear]

alright, well this is the way it probably should be. You all should have more production out of the wide recievers because you are more of a passing offense. While on the other side, the redskins are primarily a rushing offense.

And yet, the Cowboys have run the ball 10 MORE times than the Skins have this year (499 carries to the Skins' 489)...

Go figure... FWIW, they've also thrown the ball 5 more times than the Skins have... obviously, you can't make the argument that the Skins are more run-oriented than the Cowboys, or that the Cowboys are more pass-oriented than the Skins (but you CAN make the argument that the Skins have been more SUCCESSFUL running the ball)...

And what is even more wierd, is that we both average the same ammount of pass plays and running plays per game.

Close, but the small edge goes to the Boys, they've run 1005 plays, the Skins have run 975... that's 2 plays more per game, not a big deal when each team is averaging between 65 and 67 plays...

well, I guess you could think that way. However, it also gives are team more unity.

Jimmy Johnson said it best-- in the NFL, you win with playmakers... "coaching", and "unity" will only take you so far, TALENT is what wins championships...

The redskins don't have any big free agents to re-sign this year, we shouldnt need much to fill. Yes, there are some needs that we need. A big reciever to play #2 alongside moss, and a pass rushing DE. Those are probably are only major needs.

Gimme a break, you guys have precious little depth at most positions... you dodged a bullet this year by staying healthy, but if you'd suffered the same kinds of injuries you did last year (to use one example), you'd be on the wrong side of .500 right now...

Not having a lot of cap to sign players shouldn't hurt us this year. It might hold us back from getting some of the small needs that we might have, but it won't be anything big enough to entirely effect our team for next year

It will hurt you in that your competition will be adding to their talent base, and the Skins won't... again, remember this if you never remember anything else I tell you-- talent wins in the NFL... yeah, Danny Boy went about it the wrong way for a few years there, going for aging "names" and paying top dollar for them, but that doesn't mean you can win consistently while shopping in the bargain basement...

While I'm arguing this with you, at least I give you credit for recognizing how the upcoming offseason is likely to play out for the Skins... unlike many other Skins fans I've run across, you seem to be able to at least recognize reality... and inasmuch as you're a Skins fan, I certainly don't blame you for trying to keep a positive attitude...

[Bizwah]

Wow, Silverbear! You really had some interesting stats there.

Our teams are fairly evenly matched.

What's impressive is that we've accumulated those offensive stats with a questionable RB situation (Jones out for 4 weeks--and Barber not playing a big role until week 8), a banged up OL, and a QB that's new to our system.

Imagine another year in the system......

I think defensively we're going to be way ahead of the Skins. Here, our depth and playmakers really stand out. They're aging, we're young......

I, however, don't buy the Salary-Cap Heck that the Skins are supposed to have.

Never will happen.

We've been hearing this for years....how the Skins will have to pay the piper. Well, it hasn't really happened yet. I don't think it will.

[cfujskins]

And here I thought you might actually have a clue... you could desperately use a premium pick at WR, where the ONLY legitimate NFL talent you have is Moss, and you could surely stand to add a stud pass rusher...



Uhhh, don't look now, but you guys weren't able to do a whole lot in free agency last year... the reason for that was your cap situation...



Oh, sweet , this one has drunk ALL of the kool-aid...

Well, homer, the facts are that the Skins are currently WAY over the projected cap for next year (I've heard as much as 27 million dollars over... in order to get under the cap, they'll have to renegotiate a BUNCH of deals, or cut players like Arrington (who's likely gone anyway) and Chris Samuels...

I'd say that choosing between cutting a Pro Bowl OT or not being real active in free agency is one indication of cap hell... the Skins might have maneuvering room to get down under the cap without biting the bullet too hard, but that will leave them with no room to bring in free agent talent... look for this offseason to be like the last for the Skins, not much in the way of upgrading the roster... only this year, you guys won't even have the luxury of a first round draft pick...

Exactly, you said it yourself- a luxury (The Giants did just fine without one, wouldn't you agree?). It's not like we desperatly need a WR with the 1st rd pick. Even if we had one, I'd doubt we'd take a WR. As for a DE, There are many teams who need a somewhat dominant DE. They are rarer than other positions, high demand, low supply.

As for free agency, last year we supposedly had a terrible free agency while the Giants and Boys loaded up in talent. We were projected to go 4-12. Yet we were highly competitive in the NFC, let alone the NFC east. Go and and make another excuse (luck, fluke, ect.)

About the cap, homer, could you show me we are WAY over the projected cap? "Facts are" followed by a "I've heard" make me a little curious.

[cfujskins]

Jimmy Johnson said it best-- in the NFL, you win with playmakers... "coaching", and "unity" will only take you so far, TALENT is what wins championships...



Gimme a break, you guys have precious little depth at most positions... you dodged a bullet this year by staying healthy, but if you'd suffered the same kinds of injuries you did last year (to use one example), you'd be on the wrong side of .500 right now...



It will hurt you in that your competition will be adding to their talent base, and the Skins won't... again, remember this if you never remember anything else I tell you-- talent wins in the NFL... yeah, Danny Boy went about it the wrong way for a few years there, going for aging "names" and paying top dollar for them, but that doesn't mean you can win consistently while shopping in the bargain basement...



Right, because TALENT is the ONLY way to win, right? If I'm not mistaken, Joe Gibbs' teams of the past were a far cry from having loads of talented individuals and still managed to have huge success. He kind of prided himself on that.

Last year was the same. The only differece is that we lost the (many) close games. Had a few plays and/or calls gone our way, then our record could have been flipped (10-6).

When guys get hurt, guys are supposed to step up and pick up. Our guys do that. Our guys do just that. A few years ago you would probably not believe me If I told you that we could field a consistent top 10 defense...without LaVar Arrington, would you?

[The30YardSlant]

Right, because TALENT is the ONLY way to win, right? If I'm not mistaken, Joe Gibbs' teams of the past were a far cry from having loads of talented individuals and still managed to have huge success. He kind of prided himself on that.

Last year was the same. The only differece is that we lost the (many) close games. Had a few plays and/or calls gone our way, then our record could have been flipped (10-6).

When guys get hurt, guys are supposed to step up and pick up. Our guys do that. Our guys do just that. A few years ago you would probably not believe me If I told you that we could field a consistent top 10 defense...without LaVar Arrington, would you?

If we agree, will you go away?

[silverbear]

About the cap, homer, could you show me we are WAY over the projected cap? "Facts are" followed by a "I've heard" make me a little curious.

Well gee, would NFL.com be a definitive enough source for ya??

Here's the link to the article on their site that has the Skins at roughly 27 mil over next year's projected cap:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9117553

Had to hunt for 20 minutes to find the freakin' article, LOL...

[silverbear]

I, however, don't buy the Salary-Cap Heck that the Skins are supposed to have.

Never will happen.

We've been hearing this for years....how the Skins will have to pay the piper. Well, it hasn't really happened yet. I don't think it will.

OK, now tell me WHY the Skins won't face the same fate as the Boys and Niners did...

[silverbear]

Right, because TALENT is the ONLY way to win, right?

Yup... over the long haul, the smart money bets on the teams with the most talent...

If I'm not mistaken, Joe Gibbs' teams of the past were a far cry from having loads of talented individuals and still managed to have huge success. He kind of prided himself on that.

You are mistaken... Gibbs had lots of Pro Bowlers on those teams... he coached the Skins from 81 to 92 the first time around, and had 20 different players make a total of 43 Pro Bowl appearances...

At quarterback, he had Mark Rypien, Jay Schroeder and Joe Theismann make the Pro Bowl... they combined to make 5 appearances...

At running back, Earnest Byner was the only Pro Bowler, he went twice...

At wide receiver, Gary Clark went 4 times, Art Monk went twice, Charlie Brown went twice... that's 8 total appearances...

At offensive line, there's almost too many to list-- Jim Lachey went twice, Mark Schlereth went once, Mark May went once, Russ Grimm went 4 times, so did Joe Jacoby, and Jeff Bostic went once... that's 13 Pro Bowl appearances, by 6 different offensive linemen... the Hogs were the heart of Gibbs' teams, and they were a VERY talented bunch...

On the defensive line, Charles Mann went 4 times, Dexter Manley went once, Dave Butz went once...

At linebacker, the only one I can find is Wilber Marshall, who went in 92...

At defensive back, Darrell Green went 4 times, Mike Nelms went twice and Tony Peters went once...

Clearly, it's ridiculous to say that Gibbs didn't have top talent in his first tenure with the Skins...

When guys get hurt, guys are supposed to step up and pick up. Our guys do that

LOL... your guys haven't HAD to do that, most of this year... that's precisely my point...

If the Skins had to rely on their depth, they wouldn't be within spitting distance of .500, period...

[AsthmaField]

The skins are already having difficulties because of their cap situation. This past offseason is indicative of "paying the piper" because of previous years signings.


First off, the skins were very inactive in free agency, particularly for a Snyder owned team.

The best indicator to me was when they let Smoot and Pierce go in free agency. You know they wanted to keep both players... and if keeping the team together is what was important to them and a reason for not signing a lot of free agents... then doesn't it follow that they would've kept their own good free agents? Of course. But they just couldn't. Smoot and Pierce wanted to stay and would have with even a match... but the skins let them walk. Why? Because they weren't good players? No. Because they hate building good team chemistry and keeping their vets? Of course not. Because they didn't have the cap room? Ahhh, that's more like it.

And if you fall for the company line that they couldn't pay Smoot more than they're paying Springs... then you are naive. What did you expect Snyder and Gibbs to say? They couldn't resign those guys because of past cap mis-management? C'mon...

And yes, the Skins might make the playoffs... but to use that as proof that they didn't experience at least cap "heck" this past offseason is foolish, at best. The skins are in a position to make the playoffs because of coaching and the players currently there. Does that mean other players wouldn't have helped had they been signed? No. Keeping Pierce alone might have been enough to keep Allstott out of the enzone in the Tampa game. Antonio alone might have improved your W-L record by one game... which this season would've made a huge difference. Who knows what an edge rusher and better CB play might have done for you this year? Who knows what a really good number 2 WR would have done to take pressure off of Moss?

Now, because you couldn't resign Smoot, you had to go CB in the draft with the #9 pick. That is at best a wash and improves the team none. In reality, Rogers, at least this season, isn't as good as Smoot, and you lost ground in the perpetual talent struggle in the NFL. Had the Skins had the money to sign Smoot, the pick at number 9 would likely either been DE Merriman, DE Ware, or WR Mike Williams. Any of those 3 players would've been an immidiate upgrade for you guys and made a big difference this year. But because you didn't have the money to re-sign Smoot and you couldn't have a huge hole at CB... you had to simply replace a good player with a good player... which is a net talent increase of zero. Keeping Smoot and adding Demarcus Ware would've increased the overall talent level of you defense instead of it just being a wash. Or adding M. Williams at WR would've helped the WR corps immensely and the CB would've still been in fine shape with Smoot and Springs.

You don't think Gibbs would've rather had that scenario than just replace a CB with a CB? Of course he would've. But he couldn't because the Skins cap situation wouldn't allow it. Gibbs isn't stupid... he just didn't have the money to do it any other way.

What would the skins D be like with Smoot covering and Merriman getting after the QB? Better, for sure... and I'm glad we don't have to find out.

What would the sking passing game be like with Moss and M. Williams? Better for sure, and again, I'm glad we don't have to see that.

So, for anyone to simply act like the skins just got frugal all of a sudden and wanted to watch their good players walk out the door, is just silly. To think they didn't want to add a good WR or someone... anyone... on the DL who could provide a pass rush... is more than simple homerism.

The skins couldn't do the smart thing because they didn't have the money.

They may be in the playoffs... but they'll be there in spite of not having the dollars to do what they needed to in free agency... not because they decided to let talent walk.

[KINGBRICE_28]

Sure guys continue on like I never even came by.....

Fine I'll just put in my own quotes.....


Well long time no see...what have you been up too....


nothing much just came by to see how you guys were....

So are you excited about the game this week?

you bet....I can't wait to finally beat Philthy......

So KB Are you suprised about this season so far?

Yes actually I am....I figured 8-8 tops....I'll take a playoff birth though....

:D :D :D......Much better.....



Wow....I'm bored , I'm going to bed....lol.....

[Chicago]

The skins are already having difficulties because of their cap situation. This past offseason is indicative of "paying the piper" because of previous years signings.

You are right man, but did it harm the team? Absolutely not.



The best indicator to me was when they let Smoot and Pierce go in free agency. You know they wanted to keep both players... and if keeping the team together is what was important to them and a reason for not signing a lot of free agents... then doesn't it follow that they would've kept their own good free agents? Of course. But they just couldn't. Smoot and Pierce wanted to stay and would have with even a match... but the skins let them walk. Why? Because they weren't good players? No. Because they hate building good team chemistry and keeping their vets? Of course not. Because they didn't have the cap room? Ahhh, that's more like it.

No, no, no. Both the Vikings and the Giants offered a bit more money. But again, Pierce is out due to injury and Smoot? Oh yes recentely I ´ve heard of him. Great play with "Steely Dan" on the Viking Criuser. :D

What would the sking passing game be like with Moss and M. Williams? Better for sure, ....

Big Mike Williams as a second Rec? Right now he is underachieving.

For years we were critizised for spending too much money in players with a soldier of fortune attidude. Now of a sudden we stop this sh## and having no cap room has helped little Danny to resist the sexy pick, aka players like BMW. We start to win more games than we loose, the team might not quite ready to peak yet but gives us hope for a bright future next year. Right now we all enjoy the show and will think from gameday to gameday and see how long this journey will go.

You can call scenarios as much as you like but the great majority of Redskins fans are simply happy and maybe tommorow a little bit happier than today. The game will be televised live in Germany and guess what i´ll do on sunday.

But to bring peace to this board, I´ll root for Atlanta in the first game, also televised here and than I switch to an english channel sunday night to watch the boys win easily against the Mufflons and reach the play-offs. :)

[AsthmaField]

You are right man, but did it harm the team? Absolutely not.

That's my point... yes you might make the playoffs... but what could your team have done with Merriman at DE, Smoot at CB, and Pierce at MLB? Would your D have been more intimidating? Yes. Would you have pressured the passer better? I'm sure of it.

You can't point to a successful season this year and say you didn't need anything more from FA or the draft. You can't... because you don't know how much better you might have been had the skins had the extra cap space to keep Smoot, Pierce and draft Merriman or Ware or Williams. In that scenario, regardless of which of the three you draft, the Redskins would've been a better team with either a better passing game with a true red zone target or a true edge rusher to pressure the QB.


No, no, no. Both the Vikings and the Giants offered a bit more money. But again, Pierce is out due to injury and Smoot? Oh yes recentely I ´ve heard of him. Great play with "Steely Dan" on the Viking Criuser. :D



Big Mike Williams as a second Rec? Right now he is underachieving.


You can't say Pierce would've been hurt had he played in Washington...

And Smoot played very well for Gregg Williams. There's no reason to doubt that Smoot, in his prime, would've played well for Williams again. Better than Harris or Rogers, that's for sure. The Steely Dan thing was funny though.:D

Big Mike would've been a huge upgrade at WR for you... don't look at him in dysfunctional Detroit and think that's the way he would've performed for Gibbs and Co.

Again, you did okay without these guys... but you can't know how much better you would've been with them.



For years we were critizised for spending too much money in players with a soldier of fortune attidude. Now of a sudden we stop this sh## and having no cap room has helped little Danny to resist the sexy pick, aka players like BMW.

That's because Danny brought in guys like Bruce Smith, D. Sanders, etc. Guys who were long past their prime... yet he payed premier money to get them. That's why people made fun of the Redskins... and said they'd have cap trouble in the future. And guess what? You're having the cap trouble.

Resigning Smoot and Peirce and drafting Ware/Merriman/Williams wouldn't have been in the same galaxy as Bruce Smith, Sanders, etc. Resigning your own up and coming players and drafting well could never be made fun of and wouldn't have.

You have the sense to realize that you didn't resign Smoot and Pierce because you didn't have the cap room... and really, that's all I'm saying. There are skins fans that say Washington could've signed them and simply chose not to because they didn't want them... or that you couldn't resign Smoot for more than Springs. Basically saying that the skins weren't in any sort of cap squeeze... those are the one's that I pointed my post towards.



You can call scenarios as much as you like but the great majority of Redskins fans are simply happy and maybe tommorow a little bit happier than today. The game will be televised live in Germany and guess what i´ll do on sunday.

But to bring peace to this board, I´ll root for Atlanta in the first game, also televised here and than I switch to an english channel sunday night to watch the boys win easily against the Mufflons and reach the play-offs. :)

The skins fans should be happy... but they should also understand that they were limited in free agency because of past cap mismanagment and also understand that they'll be further limited this coming offseason... while Dallas, NYG and Philly will not be. In a close division... that can't be a good thing.