View Full Version : Dallas 2006 Offensive Line Issues
Verdict
12-29-2005, 02:02 PM
It seems like a given that most boardmembers agree that an upgrade on the offensive line is needed, whether that improvement is from players retuning from injury, developing existing players, free agency or the draft.
In my book it seems like Flozell Adams, if healthy, is good enough to be a solid contributor. Petitti seems to be good enough to be a second tier starter, or a good backup. I would expect Petitti to improve next year with a year in the offseason program. Tucker is a serviceable backup. Essentially if we are going to improve the offensive tackle play we are going to either have to spend a LOT in free agency, or draft one high. Otherwise, the improvement next year at the tackle position is going to be marginal, and a waste of cap space.
While I'm not saying Al Johnson sucks, I really doubt that he strikes fear in the hearts of defensive linemen. Gurode is probably what he is, a spot starter, situational starter or career backup. This spot could use some fixing, and you might steal a top ranked center in the draft, or get one via free agency. Cap wise this spot might be the cheapest to shore up.
Now on to the $64,000 question. What about Larry Allen? Do we keep him, do we cut him, can we get a player to replace him? What is our cap savings if we cut him? I dont think Larry Allen sucks, but lets face it, in reality he is not a pro bowl player at his position. We might be able to replace him, save some cap money and use that cap money to upgrade at other positions.
Does anyone know (AdamJT13) what the cap savings would be if we cut Larry Allen?
MichaelWinicki
12-29-2005, 02:08 PM
It seems like a given that most boardmembers agree that an upgrade on the offensive line is needed, whether that improvement is from players retuning from injury, developing existing players, free agency or the draft.
In my book it seems like Flozell Adams, if healthy, is good enough to be a solid contributor. Petitti seems to be good enough to be a second tier starter, or a good backup. I would expect Petitti to improve next year with a year in the offseason program. Tucker is a serviceable backup. Essentially if we are going to improve the offensive tackle play we are going to either have to spend a LOT in free agency, or draft one high. Otherwise, the improvement next year at the tackle position is going to be marginal, and a waste of cap space.
While I'm not saying Al Johnson sucks, I really doubt that he strikes fear in the hearts of defensive linemen. Gurode is probably what he is, a spot starter, situational starter or career backup. This spot could use some fixing, and you might steal a top ranked center in the draft, or get one via free agency. Cap wise this spot might be the cheapest to shore up.
Now on to the $64,000 question. What about Larry Allen? Do we keep him, do we cut him, can we get a player to replace him? What is our cap savings if we cut him? I dont think Larry Allen sucks, but lets face it, in reality he is not a pro bowl player at his position. We might be able to replace him, save some cap money and use that cap money to upgrade at other positions.
Does anyone know (AdamJT13) what the cap savings would be if we cut Larry Allen?
I've looked at the centers available in the draft. Most are smaller than what Al Johnson is. I don't see that as being a good alternative at this point.
You'll never see Larry Allen get cut... I would almost guarantee that.
AtlCB
12-29-2005, 02:12 PM
I really do not like the idea of getting rid of Larry Allen. He has been the only OL to start every game and play at a high level. He may no longer be dominant, but he is still better than the majority of starting guards in this league. If the Cowboys cut LA, the team will have another hole to fill.
Hiero
12-29-2005, 02:24 PM
I really do not like the idea of getting rid of Larry Allen. He has been the only OL to start every game and play at a high level. He may no longer be dominant, but he is still better than the majority of starting guards in this league. If the Cowboys cut LA, the team will have another hole to fill.
Me either. I would prefer to keep Larry there as long as he wants to. He is not the old Larry but still much better than anything else we have.
Verdict
12-29-2005, 02:31 PM
I've looked at the centers available in the draft. Most are smaller than what Al Johnson is. I don't see that as being a good alternative at this point.
You'll never see Larry Allen get cut... I would almost guarantee that.
If this franchise can cut Troy Aikman and E. Smith then I wouldn't call Larry Allen "uncuttable". If memory serves me Larry Allen is scheduled to make a boatload of money this next year. Larry Allen is strong as an ox, but he is not that versatile in terms of his mobility. He has gotten a "pass" because he is one of the all-time greats at his position, but lets face it, he is NOT the player he once was. The questions that remain about Larry Allen are, is he still "good enough" and is he worth what his cap hit will be. I'm not sure about the answer to either question, but I'm leaning toward thinking the franchise will restucture him or cut him.
I'm not sure of what is available to replace Larry Allen, or Al Johnson in the draft or free agency, but I'm thinking Bentley would be a good addition at center. Who knows if he will be a good enough deal capwise.
ddh33
12-29-2005, 02:36 PM
The whole unti is a pretty big question mark, but I think some of it will sort itself out.
We know Bill likes "his" guys, and we know that he will give these young players every chance to succeed. With that in mind, I think Al Johnson and Pettiti are probably starting next season again. I would also imagine that Flozell comes back as your starting LT again.
The biggest question mark to me is the guard play? Will Rivera ever be the same again? Will Larry Allen be back? Those guys aren't exactly young, and they both have a lot of miles on them. To make matters worse, I don't know if the team has capable backups there?
trueblue1687
12-29-2005, 05:00 PM
Larry Allen will be history. If the Jones clan is smart, they'll dump him while he still has SOME trade value. Allen was a force a few years back, but is average to SLIGHTLY above average now. One only has to look at his effort over the past few seasons...remember training camp when he could not pass conditioning drills?? Expect more of the same if he hangs around. Also, go back and look at some of the games this season. You'll notice that LA gives up on the pass rush ALOT. His run blocking is good if he wants it to be, but that seems to be his problem as with most older veterans: finding their "mojo".
MichaelWinicki
12-29-2005, 05:29 PM
Larry Allen will be history. If the Jones clan is smart, they'll dump him while he still has SOME trade value. Allen was a force a few years back, but is average to SLIGHTLY above average now. One only has to look at his effort over the past few seasons...remember training camp when he could not pass conditioning drills?? Expect more of the same if he hangs around. Also, go back and look at some of the games this season. You'll notice that LA gives up on the pass rush ALOT. His run blocking is good if he wants it to be, but that seems to be his problem as with most older veterans: finding their "mojo".
And who's going to be dumb enough to take his salary?
StanleySpadowski
12-29-2005, 05:34 PM
A replacement for Larry Allen (hopefully Peterman), a healthy Rivera, a healthy Jones to make up for their mistakes and a QB that doesn't make every OL look worse than it really is and Dallas has a decent OL heading into '06.
Tucker is one of the better backup OTs in the league, Pettiti will be better with a year's experience and an offseason spent getting stronger not losing weight, Gurode makes a decent C/G backup.
Sarge
12-29-2005, 05:38 PM
A replacement for Larry Allen (hopefully Peterman), a healthy Rivera, a healthy Jones to make up for their mistakes and a QB that doesn't make every OL look worse than it really is and Dallas has a decent OL heading into '06.
Tucker is one of the better backup OTs in the league, Pettiti will be better with a year's experience and an offseason spent getting stronger not losing weight, Gurode makes a decent C/G backup.
If you replace Allen with Peterman - you're getting worse.
Rivera is still a question mark and older than cbz.
Petitti is totally unproven thus far.
Color me skeptical.
Peterman, Petitti, Rivera and Johnson???
I think the majority of this board will be fairly pizzed if this is what transpires.
I haven't even mentioned A. Johnson.
StanleySpadowski
12-29-2005, 05:43 PM
If you replace Allen with Peterman - you're getting worse.
Rivera is still a question mark and older than cbz.
Petitti is totally unproven thus far.
Color me skeptical.
Peterman, Petitti, Rivera and Johnson???
I think the majority of this board will be fairly pizzed if this is what transpires.
I haven't even mentioned A. Johnson.
I said hopefully Peterman. The only way he starts is if he proves he can. That's the best case scenario for Dallas as far as $$$/draft picks go.
Rivera's a much better player than we saw this season.
And I agree that Pettiti is unproven but and wouldn't be adverse to him having to beat talent out next year for the position but he will play better next year.
Sarge
12-29-2005, 05:54 PM
I said hopefully Peterman. The only way he starts is if he proves he can. That's the best case scenario for Dallas as far as $$$/draft picks go.
Rivera's a much better player than we saw this season.
And I agree that Pettiti is unproven but and wouldn't be adverse to him having to beat talent out next year for the position but he will play better next year.
Peterman is a waste IMO.
He's already proven he CAN'T, as opposed to he CAN.
Rivera is too old and beat up.
Petitti, who knows, it's a gamble.
I'd rather start the 'turnover' this offeseason than wait to see if these guys will pan out (save Petitti). Perhaps he deserves more time as he is a rookie.
Johnson, average at best............and I mean at best.
Let's put it simply..........you appear to me far more optimistic about this group than I do.
I say, start making the moves now, as opposed to waiting.
AbeBeta
12-29-2005, 05:55 PM
I've looked at the centers available in the draft. Most are smaller than what Al Johnson is. I don't see that as being a good alternative at this point.
You'll never see Larry Allen get cut... I would almost guarantee that.
Al's size isn't the problem. His strength is. He's just not very strong. I don't know if he failed to work hard enough on his strength during the off-season or if he has hit a physical wall. He is a very smart and technically sound player. He's just too damn weak to do anything. He'd be a probowler in Denver.
I don't think Larry is getting cut. I think he is going to retire. If he doesn't retire we have no choice but to cut him. He's been (generously) mediocre this year. His contract is at the point where it isn't going to cost much to cut him (we might even save some $$). It isn't hard to find a guard who plays at his current level.
Larry Allen's cap hit next season is $5.5 million and the money saved by releasing him would only be $1.5 million.
Flozell Adams' cap hit is $7 million, and $3 million saved by releasing him.
I don't think with that minimal savings there is any way Larry Allen gets cut.
Billy Bullocks
12-29-2005, 06:12 PM
Adams, Allen, ?, Rivera? , ?
That's the current situation.
Rivera is a good player, and being sandwhiched between an undersized, underpowered center, and a rookie 6th round RT, that probably will expose him a bit too.
We need a Center who can get some push off the line. Maybe Johnson can improve his strength this offseason. ONe thing I've read on this board and other places is that Wisconsin sort of maxes out their players strength with their conditioning program, weather that is true or not, I don't know
Sarge
12-29-2005, 06:16 PM
Adams, Allen, ?, Rivera? , ?
That's the current situation.
Rivera is a good player, and being sandwhiched between an undersized, underpowered center, and a rookie 6th round RT, that probably will expose him a bit too.
We need a Center who can get some push off the line. Maybe Johnson can improve his strength this offseason. ONe thing I've read on this board and other places is that Wisconsin sort of maxes out their players strength with their conditioning program, weather that is true or not, I don't know
No one is maxed out strength-wise in college.
Clove
12-29-2005, 06:47 PM
I think Al Johnson and Pettiti are probably starting next season again. I would also imagine that Flozell comes back as your starting LT again.
The biggest question mark to me is the guard play? Will Rivera ever be the same again? Will Larry Allen be back? Those guys aren't exactly young, and they both have a lot of miles on them. To make matters worse, I don't know if the team has capable backups there?I don't like the Al Johnson Petitti starting next season, that would make me puke.
Petitti is 2 years away, and Johnson is 10pds and lots of muscle away. Johnson was pushed around like Grocery Store basket, and Rivera was run thru, run around, and run over.
We get Bently, we make LA drop 20 pds, and we draft Daryn Colledge RT in the 2nd round.
ddh33
12-29-2005, 06:57 PM
I don't like the Al Johnson Petitti starting next season, that would make me puke.
Petitti is 2 years away, and Johnson is 10pds and lots of muscle away. Johnson was pushed around like Grocery Store basket, and Rivera was run thru, run around, and run over.
We get Bently, we make LA drop 20 pds, and we draft Daryn Colledge RT in the 2nd round.
You may not like it, but that's my hunch. Those guys are going to get every chance. I think they may surprise too...
StanleySpadowski
12-29-2005, 07:01 PM
No one is maxed out strength-wise in college.
I disagree with this statement somewhat. Players from certain programs never seem to gain the weight or strength that other players seem to add their first few years in the NFL.
The most notable example is Nebraska linemen of the late seventies through the nineties. Some have claimed that the substance testing is more rigorous in NFL, which I'm not sure I buy, but there has to be a reason that more All-American lineman than I can count from that school flopped in the NFL.
The same can be said for Wisconsin now. 1000 yard rushers year in year out, turning a mediocre back like Dayne into the career rushing leader, pro flops like Aaron Gibson. It does make one wonder.
StanleySpadowski
12-29-2005, 07:06 PM
Peterman is a waste IMO.
He's already proven he CAN'T, as opposed to he CAN.
Rivera is too old and beat up.
Petitti, who knows, it's a gamble.
I'd rather start the 'turnover' this offeseason than wait to see if these guys will pan out (save Petitti). Perhaps he deserves more time as he is a rookie.
Johnson, average at best............and I mean at best.
Let's put it simply..........you appear to me far more optimistic about this group than I do.
I say, start making the moves now, as opposed to waiting.
I am more optimistic than most when it comes to some of Dallas' younger lineman. I see Al Johnson as average, which isn't bad for a player in his second year starting, I see Pettiti and Tucker getting valuable experience (I'm of the school that unless the Super Bowl is a realistic goal for that season, let the young'uns play).
I still haven't given up on Peterman. Some lineman take awhile. I just know from watching games over and over again that Allen is playing terribly and I don't know how he can possibly play any better next year given his age.
Sarge
12-30-2005, 05:49 AM
I am more optimistic than most when it comes to some of Dallas' younger lineman. I see Al Johnson as average, which isn't bad for a player in his second year starting, I see Pettiti and Tucker getting valuable experience (I'm of the school that unless the Super Bowl is a realistic goal for that season, let the young'uns play).
I still haven't given up on Peterman. Some lineman take awhile. I just know from watching games over and over again that Allen is playing terribly and I don't know how he can possibly play any better next year given his age.
One thing we do agree on is the Larry Allen is not playing very well and is going the wrong way. He won't be any better next year either, I agree.
burmafrd
12-30-2005, 07:17 AM
there are quite a few very good college weight training programs- virtually all the major schools have good ones. Unless you are late to physically mature, you are not going to add much in the pros. Johnson is 26- he is not going to get any stronger.
mwmilsted
12-30-2005, 08:41 AM
If this franchise can cut Troy Aikman and E. Smith then I wouldn't call Larry Allen "uncuttable". If memory serves me Larry Allen is scheduled to make a boatload of money this next year. Larry Allen is strong as an ox, but he is not that versatile in terms of his mobility. He has gotten a "pass" because he is one of the all-time greats at his position, but lets face it, he is NOT the player he once was. The questions that remain about Larry Allen are, is he still "good enough" and is he worth what his cap hit will be. I'm not sure about the answer to either question, but I'm leaning toward thinking the franchise will restucture him or cut him.
I'm not sure of what is available to replace Larry Allen, or Al Johnson in the draft or free agency, but I'm thinking Bentley would be a good addition at center. Who knows if he will be a good enough deal capwise.
Right On! LA is not uncuttable. I think you're right about Bently being an improvement at center. Also, Hutchinson form Seattle looks like the kind of Guard BP likes. He's alot more versatile than LA. Right Tackle looks like a problem to fill through free agency.
Bill is too old to lose.....Allen is a average guard now....just watch him.....makes a nice block once in awhile.....gives up more often. He is too top heavy and lost alot of quickness...if a DT gets a shoulder around him....he is done.
It happens to the best of them.....Allen is living on reputation alone. The only solid starter is Adams.....the rest....well....IMHO...they are all backups in the system we run. We had this problem for several years.......when is the last time we felt comfortable making 3rd and 1?
This will take a few more years to correct......we tried to patch it up by signing Rivera...all it did was cost us money.....
lspain1
12-30-2005, 10:07 AM
Tucker is one of the better backup OTs in the league
Stanley, how do you define backup? We were thin at OT before the season started. Tucker, a 3 year man, could not beat out a rookie Petitti. Against good defenses, our line was poor to flat out bad from the time Flozell went down. I do NOT call that good backup play. We need more talent at OT for next year.
The NYG line had injuries, reshuffled, and played well. We had injuries, could not reshuffle, and went to hell in a handbasket. Unless a miracle happens with Columbo, we must get better depth at tackle going into next season. I'm not sure about center/guard situation because the problems at tackle made everyone look bad, but we must improve at the tackle position.
Fred Smith
12-30-2005, 10:19 AM
We need to use our first round draft pick on the best offensive right tackle we can find, and make him an immediate starter. Pettiti could be the backup. In rounds 2 and 3, we need an inside linebacker and a free safety. With another mid round pick, we need a backup left offensive tackle. If we can address any of these needs in free agency, then we can go for another WR. If not, we will need another WR in free agency.
silverbear
12-30-2005, 10:30 AM
I've looked at the centers available in the draft. Most are smaller than what Al Johnson is. I don't see that as being a good alternative at this point.
Take a close look at Mike Degory of Florida, a 310 pounder who should be a 2nd or 3rd round pick... then take a look at Ryan Cook of New Mexico, a 340 pounder who looks like a 3rd to 5th round type...
But first, take a SERIOUS run at LeCharles Bentley in free agency... he's a proven commodity, and one of the best centers in the game today... and he's still young...
silverbear
12-30-2005, 10:42 AM
Tackle-- Flozell Adams is serviceable... before giving up on Rob Petitti, remember that most NFL scouts say a young player makes his most progress between his first and second years... Rob got his baptism by fire, and had his rough moments, but it was all a learning experience... Torrin Tucker probably has a role on the team next year, but I think he's better off at guard... perhaps he can be the swing backup at both positions...
Rather than pursue a veteran free agent at tackle, I'd be content to go with Adams and Petitti, and draft one of the stud tackles in this draft, in the first or second round... my dream, being a Longhorns fan, would be Jon Scott, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at Marcus McNeil, either...
Guard-- Larry Allen is still solid (no matter what the message board critics might say)... Marco Rivera was a disappointment, but I wonder how much of that is because of the back injury he suffered last summer... I'd want to take a close look at him this offseason, with enough time to rehab he might be able to return to the level of play he showed the previous 2 years... Andre Gurode would make a nice backup, able to play either guard or center in a pinch (I just wish he could knock it off with all the mental errors)... Stephen Peterman, I just don't know about, but I don't think the Boys ought to give up on him...
I could make an argument for pursuing Steve Hutchinson in free agency, he's one of the best in the game today... however, he's gonna command top dollar, and the Boys have a number of offseason needs, so I'm not sure he'd make financial sense... I think I'd take a look at somebody like Ryan O'Callaghan of Cal in the 3rd round range...
Center-- Al Johnson is just too small, and doesn't show me the ability to put on bulk... really, it's more than him just being light, he doesn't seem to be real strong (Mark Stepnoski never weighed much more than 270, but was strong enough to go head to head with 315 pound DTs and hold his own)... Gurode looks better to me at guard than he does at center...
There are any number of nice centers likely to be on the free agent market this summer, and the Boys should make adding one of them a priority... my oft-stated preference would be for LeCharles Bentley, but I could live with Justin Hartwig or Seth McKinney as well... all of them would represent an upgrade at center... in the draft, I've only found 2 who intrigue me, Mike Degory and Ryan Cook...
So, get your center in free agency, and maybe a guard as well, get another tackle early in the draft... that's how I'd approach the offensive line situation this offseason... this approach factors in where the depth is in the draft, as well as in free agency... add a Bentley and McNeil to the equation, and the offensive line will start to look MUCH better...
Awakened
12-30-2005, 12:10 PM
The teams that overwhelmed us this year had great DT's. I think massive DT's are more common than they were even 10 years ago. I'm not sure even Step could handle some of these guys. Johnson just can't handle them. Gurode can do pretty well physically, but must not have the other abilities/intangibles that a Center needs to have to be effective. I agree that a great Center is probably our highest priority.
The other issue is that apparently cohesion is more important on the OL than with any other unit. The Center is the "captain" of the unit. The great OL units have great cohesion, and that usually takes a while to establish. So we're kinda in a tough spot - we need changes, but significant changes on the line sets us back somewhat.
Having said that, I agree with most that Allen needs to go. Rivera's not going anywhere. So I would expect/hope that we'd have a new Center through FA and a new LG through the draft. We'll most likely stick with Adams & Pettiti as starting tackles, with Tucker as a good backup.
Cogan
12-30-2005, 02:07 PM
The teams that overwhelmed us this year had great DT's. I think massive DT's are more common than they were even 10 years ago. I'm not sure even Step could handle some of these guys. Johnson just can't handle them. Gurode can do pretty well physically, but must not have the other abilities/intangibles that a Center needs to have to be effective. I agree that a great Center is probably our highest priority.
The other issue is that apparently cohesion is more important on the OL than with any other unit. The Center is the "captain" of the unit. The great OL units have great cohesion, and that usually takes a while to establish. So we're kinda in a tough spot - we need changes, but significant changes on the line sets us back somewhat.
Having said that, I agree with most that Allen needs to go. Rivera's not going anywhere. So I would expect/hope that we'd have a new Center through FA and a new LG through the draft. We'll most likely stick with Adams & Pettiti as starting tackles, with Tucker as a good backup.
Here is how we make all of this happen:
Sign Bentley as our major FA aquisition.
Draft Monster OG/OT Max Jean-Gilles from Georgia in the 1st rd. of the 2006 draft to bring power & flexibility to the Oline. (Played LG this year, & LT last year. Hasn't missed a game in three years.).
Restructure LA's contract to pay for the majority of Bentley's bonus. By drafting Jean-Gilles, you have more leverage with LA.
I also strongly suggest drafting an OT in the second or third rd. This scenereo gives us super strength up the middle, & a promising rookie tackle and OG to groom to replace LA in 2007. I still have high hopes for Peterman. The guy has just been too banged up to really make an impact. Give him & Pettiti an off-season where they are healthy, and can pound the weights, and we should have one of the better lines in the NFL toward the end of next season.
trueblue1687
12-30-2005, 02:09 PM
Tackle-- Flozell Adams is serviceable... before giving up on Rob Petitti, remember that most NFL scouts say a young player makes his most progress between his first and second years... Rob got his baptism by fire, and had his rough moments, but it was all a learning experience... Torrin Tucker probably has a role on the team next year, but I think he's better off at guard... perhaps he can be the swing backup at both positions...
Rather than pursue a veteran free agent at tackle, I'd be content to go with Adams and Petitti, and draft one of the stud tackles in this draft, in the first or second round... my dream, being a Longhorns fan, would be Jon Scott, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at Marcus McNeil, either...
Guard-- Larry Allen is still solid (no matter what the message board critics might say)... Marco Rivera was a disappointment, but I wonder how much of that is because of the back injury he suffered last summer... I'd want to take a close look at him this offseason, with enough time to rehab he might be able to return to the level of play he showed the previous 2 years... Andre Gurode would make a nice backup, able to play either guard or center in a pinch (I just wish he could knock it off with all the mental errors)... Stephen Peterman, I just don't know about, but I don't think the Boys ought to give up on him...
I could make an argument for pursuing Steve Hutchinson in free agency, he's one of the best in the game today... however, he's gonna command top dollar, and the Boys have a number of offseason needs, so I'm not sure he'd make financial sense... I think I'd take a look at somebody like Ryan O'Callaghan of Cal in the 3rd round range...
Center-- Al Johnson is just too small, and doesn't show me the ability to put on bulk... really, it's more than him just being light, he doesn't seem to be real strong (Mark Stepnoski never weighed much more than 270, but was strong enough to go head to head with 315 pound DTs and hold his own)... Gurode looks better to me at guard than he does at center...
There are any number of nice centers likely to be on the free agent market this summer, and the Boys should make adding one of them a priority... my oft-stated preference would be for LeCharles Bentley, but I could live with Justin Hartwig or Seth McKinney as well... all of them would represent an upgrade at center... in the draft, I've only found 2 who intrigue me, Mike Degory and Ryan Cook...
So, get your center in free agency, and maybe a guard as well, get another tackle early in the draft... that's how I'd approach the offensive line situation this offseason... this approach factors in where the depth is in the draft, as well as in free agency... add a Bentley and McNeil to the equation, and the offensive line will start to look MUCH better...
Flozell Serviceable??? He's one of the better tackles in the league...at least in the top 7-10. Larry Allen is NOT still solid. He has become a quitter on ALOT of plays and now relies solely on his strength. Take a look at some of this seasons games and look for good ole LA- you'll see what I mean over and over and over... I completely agree with your take on Al Johnson. @ 295lbs (generous) he gets blown up alot and can't recover. Too bad Ray Donaldson can't still play. Maybe he would give up his medicare and come back for a couple seasons. Rivera is a good guard, I think his injury had him messed up for the whole season and that may be a harbinger of things to come. Tucker is damn near retarded, but certainly has the size...now only if there was a "hooked on football" learning program out there. My "headcase" pick for next season is.....Gurode at guard and Larry Allen eating french fries somewhere with his feet up. Gurode is a DECENT back-up at center, but impressive at guard where play is somewhat easier on the brainiacs.
Hiero
12-30-2005, 02:17 PM
Letting Allen go, creates a huge hole, and Im not sure Peterman can fill that hole. Allen and Flozell will be back next year fired up for the super bowl run.
MichaelWinicki
12-30-2005, 02:19 PM
I think with Burnett just tearing his ACL that pretty much forces us to take a LB in the first round of the draft.
trueblue1687
12-30-2005, 02:20 PM
And who's going to be dumb enough to take his salary?
Believe me, there will be someone who'll pay for a pro bowl guard. His figures aren't that bad from what I can remember. Plus, players can always agree to new contracts. I think a third rounder would be a great trade, maybe unlikely, but good for the Cowboys.
Mansta54
12-30-2005, 02:23 PM
Allen is better then he's getting credit for. The big man can still play and at times at a dominant level.. He'll be back next season and he should be....
AbeBeta
12-30-2005, 02:35 PM
Believe me, there will be someone who'll pay for a pro bowl guard. His figures aren't that bad from what I can remember. Plus, players can always agree to new contracts. I think a third rounder would be a great trade, maybe unlikely, but good for the Cowboys.
A third round pick is silly. If Allen agrees to a new deal it is because he picked the team he wanted to go to -- that team will have a ton of leverage -- maybe we get a 7th round pick at best. More likely we have to cut him.
He may be in the pro-bowl but that is only because people know his name from having Madden heap praise on him over the years. The guys is a shadow of his former self -- every team in the league actually watches footage -- they don't say "well, he must be good, he's in the pro bowl"
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